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The article categorises him as an "English Quaker". === <a href="/wiki/User:Vernon39" title="User:Vernon39">Vernon White</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vernon39" title="User talk:Vernon39"><small>(talk)</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roger_Fry#c-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z-Quaker" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z-Quaker"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z","author":"Vernon39","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z-Quaker","replies":["c-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z","c-Pinckney2007-20221005151300-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Vernon White"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z-Quaker"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z"></span>Well he was raised Quaker but I don't think he was one as an adult. The person adding the cat Quaker seems to have gone overboard and listing even former Quakers as Quakers.--<a href="/wiki/User:Erp" title="User:Erp">Erp</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roger_Fry#c-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z","author":"Erp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheDrew-2007-01-20T05:36:00.000Z-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheDrew-2007-01-20T05:36:00.000Z-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z"></span>As far as I know he wasn't a quaker in his adulthood. I'll have ask his grandson (Alan Fry) though next time we chat.--<a href="/wiki/User:TheDrew" title="User:TheDrew">TheDrew</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roger_Fry#c-TheDrew-2007-01-20T05:36:00.000Z-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheDrew-2007-01-20T05:36:00.000Z-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-20T05:36:00.000Z","author":"TheDrew","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TheDrew-2007-01-20T05:36:00.000Z-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheDrew-2007-01-20T05:36:00.000Z-Erp-2006-11-27T20:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pinckney2007-20221005151300-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z"></span>Hi, I don't have much time to edit right now, but I have a couple of leads on the evidence that Roger Fry is a Quaker.</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.kings.cam.ac.uk/archive-centre/roger-eliot-fry-1866-1934">https://www.kings.cam.ac.uk/archive-centre/roger-eliot-fry-1866-1934</a></dd> <dd>sets out the basics, and beyond that, his family tree includes more prominent names in the Quaker lineage. <a href="/wiki/User:Pinckney2007" title="User:Pinckney2007">Pinckney2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pinckney2007" title="User talk:Pinckney2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roger_Fry#c-Pinckney2007-20221005151300-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pinckney2007-20221005151300-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221005151300","author":"Pinckney2007","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pinckney2007-20221005151300-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Erp-20221005194000-Pinckney2007-20221005151300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pinckney2007-20221005151300-Vernon39-2006-11-26T00:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erp-20221005194000-Pinckney2007-20221005151300"></span>No one is disputing that his family was mostly Quaker and many were prominent Quakers (his uncle <a href="/wiki/Joseph_Storrs_Fry_II" title="Joseph Storrs Fry II">Joseph Storrs Fry</a> was even clerk of the London Yearly meeting for several years) and that he was raised in the Quaker tradition; however, the question is whether he as an adult considered himself Quaker. <a href="/wiki/Margery_Fry" title="Margery Fry">Margery Fry</a> his sister is another with a question mark. Note unless officially disowned or officially resigning, they probably would have been considered birthright Friends (that policy was discontinued in the 1940s in the UK and now children raised in a Quaker family have to formally apply to be members when old enough rather than automatically considered members). <a href="/wiki/User:Erp" title="User:Erp">Erp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erp" title="User talk:Erp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roger_Fry#c-Erp-20221005194000-Pinckney2007-20221005151300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erp-20221005194000-Pinckney2007-20221005151300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221005194000","author":"Erp","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Erp-20221005194000-Pinckney2007-20221005151300","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erp-20221005194000-Pinckney2007-20221005151300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Place_of_death-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z-Place_of_death"],"text":"Place of death","linkableTitle":"Place of death"}--><h2 id="Place_of_death" data-mw-thread-id="h-Place_of_death-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Place_of_death-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z"></span>Place of death<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Place_of_death-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Roger_Fry&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Place of death"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Place_of_death-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z-Place_of_death"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z-Place_of_death","timestamp":"2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Place_of_death-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z-Place_of_death"],"text":"Place of death","linkableTitle":"Place of death"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z-Place_of_death"></span>The blue plaque, placed by the Marchmont Association at Pret A Manger, the site of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.plaquesoflondon.co.uk/page4268.htm">48, Bernard Street</a>, says he died there. But <a href="/wiki/Frances_Spalding" title="Frances Spalding">Frances Spalding</a> in her 1980 <i>the Roger Fry, Art and Life</i>, on page <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iOukDVftNiEC&pg=PA274">274</a>, says that he slipped on rug and broke his pelvis at his home, but was then taken, after <a href="/wiki/Kenneth_Clark" title="Kenneth Clark">Kenneth Clark</a> called a doctor, to the <a href="/wiki/Royal_Free_Hospital" title="Royal Free Hospital">Royal Free Hospital</a> where he fell into a coma and died two days later of heart failure. <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roger_Fry#c-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z-Place_of_death" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 20 October 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z-Place_of_death"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z-Place_of_death","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2015-10-20T21:24:00.000Z-Place_of_death"></span> </p> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw鈥恮eb.codfw.main鈥恌69cdc8f6鈥恇5stz Cached time: 20241124190455 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary鈥恟evision鈥恠ha1] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.015 seconds CPU time usage: 0.252 seconds Real time usage: 0.333 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 1706/1000000 Post鈥恊xpand include size: 35873/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 98/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 11/100 Expensive parser function count: 12/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post鈥恊xpand size: 23715/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.164/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 3221553/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 253.267 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 100.00% 253.267 1 -total 44.16% 111.854 1 Template:WikiProject_Biography 8.63% 21.849 1 Template:WikiProject_Philosophy 7.84% 19.866 1 Template:WikiProject_Visual_arts 2.73% 6.925 1 Template:Find_page_text 2.17% 5.490 2 Template:Pagetype 1.67% 4.219 13 Template:Yesno --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:6784539-0!canonical and timestamp 20241124190455 and revision id 1194921846. 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