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When one says “calls”, one means to invoke a function. When one says “calls into”, one implies that there is a body of code with entry points, and the caller makes use of those entry points (which might be a function from a table, for example). The call may get routed opaquely into some part of the code being called that the calling code has no notion of. Any particular instance of “calling into” is a “call”, but in aggregate, they are “calling into”. <a href="/wiki/User:Strebe" title="User:Strebe">Strebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Strebe" title="User talk:Strebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Inversion_of_control#c-Strebe-20230814220500-Lead_paragraph" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 14 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Strebe-20230814220500-Lead_paragraph"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Strebe-20230814220500-Lead_paragraph"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Licriss-20230823211100-Strebe-20230814220500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Strebe" title="User:Strebe">Strebe</a>:</span> Overall this article is unnecessarily verbose and jargon heavy, I was hoping for simple agreeable changes bit by bit as I get time but obviously failed at that.</dd> <dd>Used in this sense "calls into" might be used by some but "calls" alone in reference to library code is also fine and has usage even in technical documents. You can call functions but you can also call other code, libraries and APIs, the benefit removing "into" here is it is also common in non-jargon grammar e.g. "I'm going to call my friend in France", "I'm going to call France", but most wouldn't say "I'm going to call into France"</dd> <dd>We could simply say "uses libraries" for the first part though which would be both simpler and less contentious and maybe "makes calls to" for the second, which is also legitimate in both the common and jargon senses</dd> <dd>Side note do you have an objection to changing "the code that expresses the purpose of the program" to just "the custom code"? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Licriss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Licriss (page does not exist)">Licriss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Licriss" title="User talk:Licriss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Inversion_of_control#c-Licriss-20230823211100-Strebe-20230814220500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Licriss-20230823211100-Strebe-20230814220500"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Licriss-20230823211100-Strebe-20230814220500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Strebe-20230824005900-Licriss-20230823211100"></span>I wonder if we come out of different cultures of English idioms in programming. “Call a library” actually sounds wrong to me, which is interesting, because we do say “call France”. I don’t think anyone would be confused by removing “into”, although I also don’t think anyone would be confused by leaving it. “The custom code” is pithy and probably generally understandable, so I am fine with it, but this article has a history of squabbles over that explanation, and I think it used to be “custom code”. <a href="/wiki/User:Strebe" title="User:Strebe">Strebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Strebe" title="User talk:Strebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Inversion_of_control#c-Strebe-20230824005900-Licriss-20230823211100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 24 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Strebe-20230824005900-Licriss-20230823211100"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive 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the custom code "calls out" to the libraries in procedural and with inversion the libraries call into the custom code, for its illustrative effect, but I think the main idea is that the library controls the custom code, although this phrasing seems too casual and probably not clearer either i.e. "custom code uses generic code from external libraries, but with inversion the libraries are given control of the custom code"</dd> <dd>I really think this comparison deserves a diagram but I'm not sure what would be an appropriate format for this page <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Licriss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Licriss (page does not exist)">Licriss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Licriss" title="User talk:Licriss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Inversion_of_control#c-Licriss-20230903202700-Strebe-20230824005900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 3 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span 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</section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Usage_of_technical_jargon_as_libraries_and_frameworks." data-mw-thread-id="h-Usage_of_technical_jargon_as_libraries_and_frameworks.-20240704152900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Usage_of_technical_jargon_as_libraries_and_frameworks.-20240704152900"></span>Usage of technical jargon as libraries and frameworks.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Usage_of_technical_jargon_as_libraries_and_frameworks.-20240704152900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inversion_of_control&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Usage of technical jargon as libraries and frameworks." class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span 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class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Lamaoaj-20240704152900-Usage_of_technical_jargon_as_libraries_and_frameworks.">4 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lamaoaj-20240704152900-Usage_of_technical_jargon_as_libraries_and_frameworks."></span>I re-read this article from the perspective of a non-technical person, If y'all could contribute a summary highlighting the essential points while maintaining the technical language, but also boiling down the concepts for anybody to read that would be great. <a href="/wiki/User:Lamaoaj" title="User:Lamaoaj">Lamaoaj</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lamaoaj&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Lamaoaj (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Inversion_of_control#c-Lamaoaj-20240704152900-Usage_of_technical_jargon_as_libraries_and_frameworks." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lamaoaj-20240704152900-Usage_of_technical_jargon_as_libraries_and_frameworks."><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-History_of_the_term_vs._history_of_the_thing-20240806073100"></span>History of the term vs. history of the thing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-History_of_the_term_vs._history_of_the_thing-20240806073100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inversion_of_control&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: History of the term vs. history of the thing" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-14' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Strebe-20240806181100-2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243-20240806073100">3 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243-20240806073100-History_of_the_term_vs._history_of_the_thing"></span>Not the term, but the thing itself was widely used in early GUI software development if I remember correctly. Even <a href="/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system)" title="GEOS (8-bit operating system)">GEOS</a> on the lowly <a href="/wiki/Commodore_64" title="Commodore 64">Commodore 64</a> in <a href="/wiki/1986" title="1986">1986</a> operated that way, at least partially, and I'd assume the same was true about the early Macintosh GUI. So I think the section on history is misleading by looking too much on the history of the term "inversion of control" and not enough on the thing itself. -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243" title="Special:Contributions/2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243">2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Inversion_of_control#c-2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243-20240806073100-History_of_the_term_vs._history_of_the_thing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 6 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243-20240806073100-History_of_the_term_vs._history_of_the_thing"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243-20240806073100-History_of_the_term_vs._history_of_the_thing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Strebe-20240806181100-2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243-20240806073100"></span>This is a common problem. Due to lack of literature or lack of familiarity with print literature, a lot of articles are skewed toward modern sources. If you have reliable sources, feel free to improve the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Strebe" title="User:Strebe">Strebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Strebe" title="User talk:Strebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Inversion_of_control#c-Strebe-20240806181100-2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243-20240806073100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Strebe-20240806181100-2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243-20240806073100"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Strebe-20240806181100-2A02:3030:612:D8A0:7F27:E26A:BE57:B243-20240806073100"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Confusing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Confusing-20240823160900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Confusing-20240823160900"></span>Confusing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Confusing-20240823160900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inversion_of_control&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Confusing" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-15' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Strebe-20240824004800-Pedro_Felgueiras-20240823160900">3 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pedro_Felgueiras-20240823160900-Confusing"></span>After a superficial read, I notice this article is poorly written. I mean, anyone who reads it doesn't acknowledge some essential things about Inversion of control, as it's relation with dependency inversion. Another big issue (and the most evident one) is lack of cohesion and coerence: there isn't information recyclement, that is, the little and poor information it has is repeated many and many times. My suggestion involves the creation of new, clear headings (History, instead of Background; Examples, instead of Examples of code; Clean Architecture; ...), simplification of introduction paragraphs, and introduction of missing fundamental information. Sorry if I'm being very rough, my objective isn't to attack you, but instead to improve this article about a very important software engineering topic. <a href="/wiki/User:Pedro_Felgueiras" title="User:Pedro Felgueiras">Pedro Felgueiras</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pedro_Felgueiras&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Pedro Felgueiras (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Inversion_of_control#c-Pedro_Felgueiras-20240823160900-Confusing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 23 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pedro_Felgueiras-20240823160900-Confusing"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pedro_Felgueiras-20240823160900-Confusing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Strebe-20240824004800-Pedro_Felgueiras-20240823160900"></span>You should always feel free to improve. Be forewarned that there has been a lot of editing around the issues you mention because apparently editors do not agree about the relationship between dependency inversion and inversion of control. Also, for some reason, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of good literature on the topics. <a href="/wiki/User:Strebe" title="User:Strebe">Strebe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Strebe" title="User talk:Strebe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Inversion_of_control#c-Strebe-20240824004800-Pedro_Felgueiras-20240823160900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Strebe-20240824004800-Pedro_Felgueiras-20240823160900"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" 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