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</ul> </li> <li id="toc-Split-ticket_voting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Split-ticket_voting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>Split-ticket voting</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">14 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Split-ticket_voting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>Arc cerita atau Bagian cerita</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Usul pemindahan dari Britania Raya ke <s>Inggris</s> Inggris Raya</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">21 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Cape" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cape"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Cape</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 komentar</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Cape-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Gulingkan subbagian Cape</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Cape-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Referensi" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Referensi"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.1</span> <span>Referensi</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Referensi-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Putsch" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Putsch"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>Putsch</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Putsch-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arti_dari_city_council" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arti_dari_city_council"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Arti dari city council</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Arti_dari_city_council-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc--elect" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#-elect"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>-elect</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 komentar</span> <ul id="toc--elect-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Padanan_penyanyi_playback" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Padanan_penyanyi_playback"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Padanan penyanyi playback</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Padanan_penyanyi_playback-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sate_dan_voluntarisme" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sate_dan_voluntarisme"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Sate dan voluntarisme</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Sate_dan_voluntarisme-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Chewing gum &amp; Sugarloaf</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Penulisan gelar di depan dan di belakang nama</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Immurement" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Immurement"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Immurement</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Immurement-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>ivory, tusk, dan fang</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Scene_dan_cover" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Scene_dan_cover"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span><i>Scene</i> dan <i>cover</i></span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Scene_dan_cover-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Bahasa Burma vs Bahasa Myanmar</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-TBA" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#TBA"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>TBA</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-TBA-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Pembagian administratif vs Wilayah administratif</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Etimologi_dari_&quot;argometer&quot;" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Etimologi_dari_&quot;argometer&quot;"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Etimologi dari "argometer"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Etimologi_dari_&quot;argometer&quot;-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Penamaan hubungan bilateral</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">12 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Live_streaming" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Live_streaming"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Live streaming</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">43 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Live_streaming-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Apa_itu_People?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Apa_itu_People?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Apa itu <i>People</i>?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Apa_itu_People?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Padanan_Municipality" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Padanan_Municipality"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Padanan <i>Municipality</i></span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Padanan_Municipality-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Balada_vs_Ballade" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Balada_vs_Ballade"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Balada vs Ballade</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Balada_vs_Ballade-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sumptuary_law_&amp;_Tax_farming" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sumptuary_law_&amp;_Tax_farming"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Sumptuary law &amp; Tax farming</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 komentar</span> <ul id="toc-Sumptuary_law_&amp;_Tax_farming-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="mw-content-container"> <main id="content" class="mw-body"> <header class="mw-body-header vector-page-titlebar"> <nav aria-label="Daftar isi" class="vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-titlebar-toc vector-button-flush-left" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Gulingkan daftar isi" > <label id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-label" for="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" 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class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>العربية</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ary mw-list-item"><a href="https://ary.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B2%D8%A7%D9%86_%D9%84%D9%83%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85" title="ويكيپيديا:ميزان لكلام – Arab Maroko" lang="ary" hreflang="ary" data-title="ويكيپيديا:ميزان لكلام" data-language-autonym="الدارجة" data-language-local-name="Arab Maroko" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>الدارجة</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bjn mw-list-item"><a href="https://bjn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipidia:Warung_Kupi_(Basa)" title="Wikipidia:Warung Kupi (Basa) – Banjar" lang="bjn" hreflang="bjn" data-title="Wikipidia:Warung Kupi (Basa)" data-language-autonym="Banjar" data-language-local-name="Banjar" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Banjar</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bn mw-list-item"><a href="https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%A4%E0%A6%A5%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0/%E0%A6%AD%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B7%E0%A6%BE" title="উইকিপিডিয়া:তথ্যকেন্দ্র/ভাষা – Bengali" lang="bn" hreflang="bn" data-title="উইকিপিডিয়া:তথ্যকেন্দ্র/ভাষা" data-language-autonym="বাংলা" data-language-local-name="Bengali" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>বাংলা</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bs mw-list-item"><a href="https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%C4%8Car%C5%A1ija/Pravopis" title="Wikipedia:Čaršija/Pravopis – Bosnia" lang="bs" hreflang="bs" data-title="Wikipedia:Čaršija/Pravopis" data-language-autonym="Bosanski" data-language-local-name="Bosnia" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bosanski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-en mw-list-item"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Languages" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages – Inggris" lang="en" hreflang="en" data-title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages" data-language-autonym="English" data-language-local-name="Inggris" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>English</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-eo mw-list-item"><a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Lingvejo" title="Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Lingvejo – Esperanto" lang="eo" hreflang="eo" data-title="Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Lingvejo" data-language-autonym="Esperanto" data-language-local-name="Esperanto" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Esperanto</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-es mw-list-item"><a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas/Consultas_ling%C3%BC%C3%ADsticas" title="Wikipedia:Consultas/Consultas lingüísticas – Spanyol" lang="es" hreflang="es" data-title="Wikipedia:Consultas/Consultas lingüísticas" data-language-autonym="Español" data-language-local-name="Spanyol" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Español</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fa mw-list-item"><a href="https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D8%B2%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86_%D9%88_%D8%B2%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86%E2%80%8C%D8%B4%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B3%DB%8C" title="ویکی‌پدیا:زبان و زبان‌شناسی – Persia" lang="fa" hreflang="fa" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:زبان و زبان‌شناسی" data-language-autonym="فارسی" data-language-local-name="Persia" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>فارسی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fi mw-list-item"><a href="https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(kielenhuolto)" title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (kielenhuolto) – Suomi" lang="fi" hreflang="fi" data-title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (kielenhuolto)" data-language-autonym="Suomi" data-language-local-name="Suomi" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Suomi</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fr mw-list-item"><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Langues/Caf%C3%A9_des_linguistes" title="Projet:Langues/Café des linguistes – Prancis" lang="fr" hreflang="fr" data-title="Projet:Langues/Café des linguistes" data-language-autonym="Français" data-language-local-name="Prancis" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Français</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-he mw-list-item"><a href="https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A5_%D7%9C%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%99" title="ויקיפדיה:ייעוץ לשוני – Ibrani" lang="he" hreflang="he" data-title="ויקיפדיה:ייעוץ לשוני" data-language-autonym="עברית" data-language-local-name="Ibrani" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>עברית</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hr mw-list-item"><a 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class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Jawa</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nl mw-list-item"><a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Taalcaf%C3%A9" title="Wikipedia:Taalcafé – Belanda" lang="nl" hreflang="nl" data-title="Wikipedia:Taalcafé" data-language-autonym="Nederlands" data-language-local-name="Belanda" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Nederlands</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ps mw-list-item"><a href="https://ps.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%DA%A9%D9%8A%D9%BE%DB%90%DA%89%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85_%D9%BE%DA%9A%D8%AA%D9%88_%DA%98%D8%A8%D8%A7%DA%93%D9%87" title="ويکيپېډيا:نوم پښتو ژباړه – Pashto" lang="ps" hreflang="ps" data-title="ويکيپېډيا:نوم پښتو ژباړه" data-language-autonym="پښتو" data-language-local-name="Pashto" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>پښتو</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ru mw-list-item"><a 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lang="sk" hreflang="sk" data-title="Wikipédia:Kaviareň/Gramatické" data-language-autonym="Slovenčina" data-language-local-name="Slovak" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Slovenčina</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sr mw-list-item"><a href="https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B3/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%9A%D0%B0" title="Википедија:Трг/Правописна питања – Serbia" lang="sr" hreflang="sr" data-title="Википедија:Трг/Правописна питања" data-language-autonym="Српски / srpski" data-language-local-name="Serbia" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Српски / srpski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-su mw-list-item"><a href="https://su.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sawala_(basa)" title="Wikipedia:Sawala (basa) – Sunda" lang="su" hreflang="su" data-title="Wikipedia:Sawala (basa)" data-language-autonym="Sunda" 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-moz-border-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-radius: 5px; border-radius: 5px;;"> <tbody><tr> <th style="border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc7b7; background-color: #eee9d9;" colspan="2"><big><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi">Warung Kopi</a> - diskusi bahasa</b></big>   <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new&amp;preload=Templat:Warung_Kopi/Preload&amp;editintro=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi/Editintro">kirim topik baru</a></span> </th></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="padding: 0.5em;"> <table align="right"> <tbody><tr> <td valign="top"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r14631882">.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain{float:right;border:1px solid #aaa;background:#fff;margin:0 0 0 1em;padding:.3em .6em .2em .6em;text-align:center;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutlist{display:inline-block;border-bottom:1px 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Bahasa Indonesia di Wikipedia berpedoman kepada <a href="/wiki/Ejaan_yang_Disempurnakan" title="Ejaan yang Disempurnakan">Ejaan yang Disempurnakan</a>. <b>Lihat pula:</b> </p> <div> <p class="mw-empty-elt"></p><table class="multicol" role="presentation" style="border-collapse: collapse; padding: 0; border: 0; background:transparent; width:85%;"> <tbody><tr> <td width="" align="left" valign="top" style="padding-left:;"> <p><b>Pedoman</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pedoman_ejaan_dan_penulisan_kata" title="Wikipedia:Pedoman ejaan dan penulisan kata">Pedoman ejaan dan penulisan kata</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pedoman_penyerapan_istilah" title="Wikipedia:Pedoman penyerapan istilah">Pedoman penyerapan istilah</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pedoman_penamaan" title="Wikipedia:Pedoman penamaan">Pedoman penamaan artikel</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Panduan_dalam_menerjemahkan_artikel" title="Wikipedia:Panduan dalam menerjemahkan artikel">Panduan menerjemahkan artikel</a></li></ul> <p class="mw-empty-elt"></p> </td> <td width="" align="left" valign="top" style="padding-left:;"> <p><b>Pranala luar</b> </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://ejaan.kemdikbud.go.id/">Ejaan Bahasa Indonesia yang Disempurnakan (EYD Edisi Kelima) (Kep. Kepala Badan Bahasa No. 0424/I/BS.00.01/2022)</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://badanbahasa.kemdikbud.go.id/produk-detail/729/pupi">Pedoman Umum Pembentukan Istilah Edisi Ketiga (Kepmendiknas No. 146/U/2004)</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/">KBBI Daring (berdasarkan Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia Edisi Kelima)</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://tesaurus.kemdikbud.go.id/tematis/">Tesaurus Tematis Bahasa Indonesia Daring</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pasti.kemdikbud.go.id/">Padanan Istilah</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bahasasastra.kemdikbud.go.id/glosarium/">Glosarium</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://kateglo.lostfocus.org/">Kateglo (kamus, tesaurus dan glosarium)</a></li></ul> <p class="mw-empty-elt"></p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding: 0.25em; border-top: 1px solid #ccc7b7;">Ingat beri tanda tangan dan tanggal pada akhir pesan Anda dengan cara mengetikkan <code><code>~~~~</code></code>. Harap <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new&amp;preload=Templat:Warung_Kopi/Preload&amp;editintro=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi/Editintro">menambahkan</a></span> topik baru hanya di <b>bagian bawah</b> halaman ini. </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding: 0.25em; border-top: 1px solid #ccc7b7;"> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form-inline" action="/wiki/Istimewa:Pencarian"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="30" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)" name="prefix"/> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Cari di arsip Warung Kopi (Bahasa)" class="cdx-button"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div> <div align="center">atau <span class="plainlinks"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?&amp;domains=id.wikipedia.org&amp;sitesearch=id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)">cari menggunakan mesin pencari Google</a></span></div> <center> <table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 0em 0em 0em 0em; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px WhiteSmoke solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size:90%;" class="plainlinks" width="85%"> <tbody><tr> <th colspan="13"><div class="NavFrame"> <div class="NavHead" style="font-size: 120%; background: #f9f9f9;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip">Arsip Diskusi</a></div> <div class="NavContent" style="text-align:left;display:none;"> <table width="100%" style="text-align:center;"> <tbody><tr align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2024"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2024</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/1" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/1">Jan-24</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/2" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/2">Feb-24</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/3" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/3">Mar-24</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/4" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/4">Apr-24</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/5&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Mei-24</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/6&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Jun-24</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/7&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Jul-24</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/8&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Agu-24</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/9&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Sep-24</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/10&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Okt-24</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/11&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Nov-24</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2024/12&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Des-24</a> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="White" align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2023" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2023"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2023</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2023/1" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2023/1">Jan-23</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2023/2" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2023/2">Feb-23</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2023/3" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2023/3">Mar-23</a> </td> <td><a 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href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2023/10&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Okt-23</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2023/11" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2023/11">Nov-23</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2023/12&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Des-23</a> </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2022</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/1" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/1">Jan-22</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/2" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/2">Feb-22</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/3" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/3">Mar-22</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/4" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/4">Apr-22</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/5&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Mei-22</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/6" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/6">Jun-22</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/7" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/7">Jul-22</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/8" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/8">Agu-22</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/9" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/9">Sep-22</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/10" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/10">Okt-22</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/11" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/11">Nov-22</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/12" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2022/12">Des-22</a> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="White" align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2021</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/1" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/1">Jan-21</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/2" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/2">Feb-21</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/3" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/3">Mar-21</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/4" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/4">Apr-21</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/5" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/5">Mei-21</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/6" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/6">Jun-21</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/7" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/7">Jul-21</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/8" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/8">Agu-21</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/9" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/9">Sep-21</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/10" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/10">Okt-21</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/11" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/11">Nov-21</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/12" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2021/12">Des-21</a> </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2020</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/1" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/1">Jan-20</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/2" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/2">Feb-20</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/3" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/3">Mar-20</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/4" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/4">Apr-20</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/5" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/5">Mei-20</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/6" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/6">Jun-20</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/7" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/7">Jul-20</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/8" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/8">Agu-20</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/9" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/9">Sep-20</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/10" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/10">Okt-20</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/11" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/11">Nov-20</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/12" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020/12">Des-20</a> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="White" align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2019</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/1" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/1">Jan-19</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/2" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/2">Feb-19</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/3" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/3">Mar-19</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/4" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/4">Apr-19</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/5" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/5">Mei-19</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/6" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/6">Jun-19</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/7" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/7">Jul-19</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/8" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/8">Agu-19</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/9" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/9">Sep-19</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/10" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/10">Okt-19</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/11" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/11">Nov-19</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/12" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2019/12">Des-19</a> </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2018" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2018"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2018</span></a> </th> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari_2018&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Jan-18</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/2" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/2">Feb-18</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret_2018&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Mar-18</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/4" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/4">Apr-18</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/5" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/5">Mei-18</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/6" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/6">Jun-18</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli_2018&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Jul-18</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/8" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/8">Agu-18</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/9" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/9">Sep-18</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/10" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/10">Okt-18</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/11" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/11">Nov-18</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/12" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2018/12">Des-18</a> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="White" align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2017</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/1" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/1">Jan-17</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/2" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/2">Feb-17</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/3" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/3">Mar-17</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/4" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/4">Apr-17</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/5" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/5">Mei-17</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/6" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/6">Jun-17</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/7" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/7">Jul-17</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/8" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/8">Agu-17</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/September_2017&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Sep-17</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/10" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/10">Okt-17</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/11" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/11">Nov-17</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/12" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2017/12">Des-17</a> </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2016" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2016"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2016</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari_2016" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari 2016">Jan-16</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari_2016" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari 2016">Feb-16</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret_2016" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret 2016">Mar-16</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/April_2016" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/April 2016">Apr-16</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei_2016&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Mei-16</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni_2016" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni 2016">Jun-16</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli_2016" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli 2016">Jul-16</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus_2016" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus 2016">Agu-16</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/September_2016" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/September 2016">Sep-16</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober_2016&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Okt-16</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/November_2016&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Nov-16</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember_2016&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Des-16</a> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="White" align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2015" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2015"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2015</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari_2015" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari 2015">Jan-15</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari_2015" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari 2015">Feb-15</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret_2015" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret 2015">Mar-15</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/April_2015" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/April 2015">Apr-15</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei_2015" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei 2015">Mei-15</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni_2015" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni 2015">Jun-15</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli_2015" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli 2015">Jul-15</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus_2015&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Agu-15</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/September_2015" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/September 2015">Sep-15</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober_2015" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober 2015">Okt-15</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/November_2015&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Nov-15</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember_2015" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember 2015">Des-15</a> </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2014"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2014</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari_2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari 2014">Jan-14</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari_2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari 2014">Feb-14</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret_2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret 2014">Mar-14</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/April_2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/April 2014">Apr-14</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei_2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei 2014">Mei-14</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni_2014&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Jun-14</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli_2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli 2014">Jul-14</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus_2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus 2014">Agu-14</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/September_2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/September 2014">Sep-14</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober_2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober 2014">Okt-14</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/November_2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/November 2014">Nov-14</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember_2014" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember 2014">Des-14</a> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="White" align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2013"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2013</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari 2013">Jan-13</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari 2013">Feb-13</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret 2013">Mar-13</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/April_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/April 2013">Apr-13</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei 2013">Mei-13</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni 2013">Jun-13</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli 2013">Jul-13</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus 2013">Agu-13</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/September_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/September 2013">Sep-13</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober 2013">Okt-13</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/November_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/November 2013">Nov-13</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember_2013" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember 2013">Des-13</a> </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2012" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2012"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2012</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari_2012" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari 2012">Jan-12</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari_2012" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari 2012">Feb-12</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret_2012&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Mar-12</a> </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/April_2012&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia%3AWarung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/preload">Apr-12</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei_2012" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei 2012">Mei-12</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni_2012" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni 2012">Jun-12</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli_2012" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli 2012">Jul-12</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus_2012" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus 2012">Agu-12</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/September_2012" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/September 2012">Sep-12</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober_2012" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober 2012">Okt-12</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/November_2012" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/November 2012">Nov-12</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember_2012" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember 2012">Des-12</a> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="White" align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2011"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2011</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari 2011">Jan-11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari 2011">Feb-11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret 2011">Mar-11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/April_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/April 2011">Apr-11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei 2011">Mei-11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni 2011">Jun-11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli 2011">Jul-11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus 2011">Agu-11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/September_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/September 2011">Sep-11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober 2011">Okt-11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/November_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/November 2011">Nov-11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember_2011" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember 2011">Des-11</a> </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2010"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2010</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari 2010">Jan-10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari 2010">Feb-10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret 2010">Mar-10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/April_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/April 2010">Apr-10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei 2010">Mei-10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni 2010">Jun-10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli 2010">Jul-10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus 2010">Agu-10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/September_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/September 2010">Sep-10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober 2010">Okt-10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/November_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/November 2010">Nov-10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember_2010" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember 2010">Des-10</a> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="White" align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2009"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2009</span></a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Januari 2009">Jan-09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Februari 2009">Feb-09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Maret 2009">Mar-09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/April_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/April 2009">Apr-09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Mei 2009">Mei-09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni 2009">Jun-09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli 2009">Jul-09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus 2009">Agu-09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/September_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/September 2009">Sep-09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober 2009">Okt-09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/November_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/November 2009">Nov-09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember_2009" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember 2009">Des-09</a> </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2008" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2008">Arsip 2008</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Jan-08)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Jan-08)">Jan-08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Feb-08)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Feb-08)">Feb-08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Mar-08)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Mar-08)">Mar-08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Apr-08)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Apr-08)">Apr-08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Mei-08)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Mei-08)">Mei-08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni_2008" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juni 2008">Jun-08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli_2008" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Juli 2008">Jul-08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus_2008" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Agustus 2008">Agu-08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/September_2008" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/September 2008">Sep-08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober_2008" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober 2008">Okt-08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/November_2008" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/November 2008">Nov-08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember_2008" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/Desember 2008">Des-08</a> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="White" align="center"> <th width="14%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2007" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2007">Arsip 2007</a> </th> <td width="7%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Jan-07)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Jan-07)">Jan-07</a> </td> <td width="7%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Feb-07)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Feb-07)">Feb-07</a> </td> <td width="7%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Mar-07)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Mar-07)">Mar-07</a> </td> <td width="7%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Apr-07)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Apr-07)">Apr-07</a> </td> <td width="7%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Mei-07)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Mei-07)">Mei-07</a> </td> <td width="7%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Jun-07)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Jun-07)">Jun-07</a> </td> <td width="7%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Jul-07)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Jul-07)">Jul-07</a> </td> <td width="7%"> </td> <td width="7%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Sep-07)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Sep-07)">Sep-07</a> </td> <td width="7%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Okt-07)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Okt-07)">Okt-07</a> </td> <td width="7%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Nov-07)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Nov-07)">Nov-07</a> </td> <td width="7%"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Des-07)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Des-07)">Des-07</a> </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2006" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2006">Arsip 2006</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Jan-06)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Jan-06)">Jan-06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Feb-06)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Feb-06)">Feb-06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Mar-06)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Mar-06)">Mar-06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Apr-06)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Apr-06)">Apr-06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Mei-06)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Mei-06)">Mei-06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Jun-06)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Jun-06)">Jun-06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Jul-06)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Jul-06)">Jul-06</a> </td> <td> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Sep-06)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Sep-06)">Sep-06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Okt-06)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Okt-06)">Okt-06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Nov-06)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Nov-06)">Nov-06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Des-06)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Des-06)">Des-06</a> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="White" align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2005" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2005">Arsip 2005</a> </th> <td> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Feb-05)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Feb-05)">Feb-05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Mar-05)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Mar-05)">Mar-05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Apr-05)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Apr-05)">Apr-05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Mei-05)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Mei-05)">Mei-05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Jun-05)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Jun-05)">Jun-05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Jul-05)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Jul-05)">Jul-05</a> </td> <td> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Sep-05)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Sep-05)">Sep-05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Okt-05)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Okt-05)">Okt-05</a> </td> <td> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_(Des-05)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip (Des-05)">Des-05</a> </td></tr> <tr align="center"> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2004" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2004"><span class="nowrap">Arsip 2004</span></a> </th> <td colspan="12"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip_2004" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip 2004">Arsip sepanjang tahun 2004</a> </td> <td colspan="8"> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div style="float:right"><small><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Templat:Navigasi_arsip_warung_kopi_%28periode%29&amp;action=edit">sunting</a></small></div> </div></div> </th></tr></tbody></table> </center> </td></tr></tbody></table> <table width="96%" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="plainlinks" style="padding: 0.5em; font-size:90%; border:2px dotted #ccc7b7; margin-bottom:10px; background:#fffaea" align="center"> <tbody><tr> <td><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Permohonan_pendapat" title="Wikipedia:Permohonan pendapat">Diskusi</a></b>: <div class="hlist"> <dl><dt>Permohonan pendapat</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Wikipedia:Kebijakan_mengenai_kepengurusan#Usulan:_Pengurus_baru_selanjutnya_dipilih_dengan_sistem_magang" title="Pembicaraan Wikipedia:Kebijakan mengenai kepengurusan">Usulan pengurus magang</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Permohonan_pendapat/Proposal_pedoman_calon_pengurus" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Permohonan pendapat/Proposal pedoman calon pengurus">Proposal pedoman calon pengurus</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Wikipedia:Pedoman_gaya/Kotak_info" title="Pembicaraan Wikipedia:Pedoman gaya/Kotak info">Pedoman gaya tentang kotak info</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Wikipedia:Pengecualian_blokir_IP" title="Pembicaraan Wikipedia:Pengecualian blokir IP">Pengesahan pedoman Hak PBIP</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Artikel Pilihan</dt> <dd><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Artikel_pilihan/Usulan" title="Wikipedia:Artikel pilihan/Usulan">Pengusulan</a></b> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Artikel_pilihan/Usulan/Departures/2" title="Wikipedia:Artikel pilihan/Usulan/Departures/2">Departures</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Artikel_pilihan/Usulan/Jenghis_Khan" title="Wikipedia:Artikel pilihan/Usulan/Jenghis Khan">Jenghis Khan</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Artikel_pilihan/Usulan/Kimberella" title="Wikipedia:Artikel pilihan/Usulan/Kimberella">Kimberella</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Artikel_pilihan/Usulan/Sherlock_Holmes_Baffled" title="Wikipedia:Artikel pilihan/Usulan/Sherlock Holmes Baffled">Sherlock Holmes Baffled</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Artikel_pilihan/Jadwal/Usulan" title="Wikipedia:Artikel pilihan/Jadwal/Usulan">Penjadwalan</a></dd> <dd><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Artikel_pilihan/Peninjauan_ulang" title="Wikipedia:Artikel pilihan/Peninjauan ulang">Peninjauan ulang</a></b></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Gambar Pilihan</dt> <dd><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Gambar_pilihan/Usulan#Pemilihan" title="Wikipedia:Gambar pilihan/Usulan">Pemilihan</a></b></dd> <dd><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Gambar_pilihan/Usulan#Pengusulan" title="Wikipedia:Gambar pilihan/Usulan">Pengusulan</a></b></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Artikel Bagus</dt> <dd><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Artikel_bagus/Usulan" title="Wikipedia:Artikel bagus/Usulan">Pengusulan</a></b> (5 usulan aktif)</dd> <dd><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Artikel_bagus/Peninjauan_ulang" title="Wikipedia:Artikel bagus/Peninjauan ulang">Peninjauan ulang</a></b></dd> <dt>Penghapusan</dt> <dd><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Usulan_penghapusan" title="Wikipedia:Usulan penghapusan">Usulan</a></b></dd> <dd><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Evaluasi_penghapusan" title="Wikipedia:Evaluasi penghapusan">Evaluasi</a></b></dd></dl> </div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <table style="position:fixed; z-index:100; right:5px; bottom:0px; background:#f9f9f9; border:1px solid #aaa; font-size:8pt"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border-right:1px solid #aaa"> <figure class="noresize" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi" title="Warung Kopi"><img alt="Warung Kopi" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Emblem-relax.svg/20px-Emblem-relax.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Emblem-relax.svg/30px-Emblem-relax.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Emblem-relax.svg/40px-Emblem-relax.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="60" data-file-height="60"/></a><figcaption>Warung Kopi</figcaption></figure> </td> <td> </td> <td><figure class="noresize" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Kebijakan)" title="Kebijakan"><img alt="Kebijakan" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Justice_and_law.svg/20px-Justice_and_law.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Justice_and_law.svg/30px-Justice_and_law.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Justice_and_law.svg/40px-Justice_and_law.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="801" data-file-height="801"/></a><figcaption>Kebijakan</figcaption></figure> </td> <td> <figure class="noresize" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Usulan)" title="Usulan"><img alt="Usulan" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Crystal_Clear_app_mailreminder.png/20px-Crystal_Clear_app_mailreminder.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Crystal_Clear_app_mailreminder.png/30px-Crystal_Clear_app_mailreminder.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Crystal_Clear_app_mailreminder.png/40px-Crystal_Clear_app_mailreminder.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption>Usulan</figcaption></figure> </td> <td><figure class="noresize" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Teknis)" title="Teknis"><img alt="Teknis" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Crystal_Clear_action_configure.png/20px-Crystal_Clear_action_configure.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Crystal_Clear_action_configure.png/30px-Crystal_Clear_action_configure.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Crystal_Clear_action_configure.png/40px-Crystal_Clear_action_configure.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption>Teknis</figcaption></figure> </td> <td><figure class="noresize" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)" title="Bahasa"><img alt="Bahasa" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.png/20px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.png/30px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.png/40px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption>Bahasa</figcaption></figure> </td> <td><figure class="noresize" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Berita)" title="Berita"><img alt="Berita" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Logowikipos.svg/20px-Logowikipos.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Logowikipos.svg/30px-Logowikipos.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Logowikipos.svg/40px-Logowikipos.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="119" data-file-height="91"/></a><figcaption>Berita</figcaption></figure> </td> <td><figure class="noresize" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Lain-lain)" title="Lain-lain"><img alt="Lain-lain" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Crystal_Clear_filesystem_folder_favorites.png/20px-Crystal_Clear_filesystem_folder_favorites.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Crystal_Clear_filesystem_folder_favorites.png/30px-Crystal_Clear_filesystem_folder_favorites.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Crystal_Clear_filesystem_folder_favorites.png/40px-Crystal_Clear_filesystem_folder_favorites.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption>Lain-lain</figcaption></figure> </td> <td><figure class="noresize" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Komunitas_Wikipedia_bahasa_Indonesia" title="Komunitas"><img alt="Komunitas" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Sciences_de_la_terre.svg/20px-Sciences_de_la_terre.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Sciences_de_la_terre.svg/30px-Sciences_de_la_terre.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Sciences_de_la_terre.svg/40px-Sciences_de_la_terre.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a><figcaption>Komunitas</figcaption></figure> </td> <td><figure class="noresize" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Semua)" title="Semua"><img alt="Semua" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Crystal_Clear_action_player_play.png/20px-Crystal_Clear_action_player_play.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Crystal_Clear_action_player_play.png/30px-Crystal_Clear_action_player_play.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Crystal_Clear_action_player_play.png/40px-Crystal_Clear_action_player_play.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption>Semua</figcaption></figure> </td> <td style="border-left:1px solid #aaa"> <figure class="noresize" typeof="mw:File"><a href="#top" title="Kembali ke atas"><img alt="Kembali ke atas" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Gnome-go-up.svg/20px-Gnome-go-up.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Gnome-go-up.svg/30px-Gnome-go-up.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Gnome-go-up.svg/40px-Gnome-go-up.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a><figcaption>Kembali ke atas</figcaption></figure> </td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240315120700&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Format_judul_musim_sinetron-20240315120700&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240315120700-Format_judul_musim_sinetron&quot;,&quot;c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240331024100-Format_judul_musim_sinetron&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Format judul musim sinetron&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Format judul musim sinetron&quot;}--><h2 id="Format_judul_musim_sinetron" data-mw-thread-id="h-Format_judul_musim_sinetron-20240315120700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Format_judul_musim_sinetron-20240315120700"></span>Format judul musim sinetron<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Format_judul_musim_sinetron-20240315120700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Format judul musim sinetron"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-F1fans-20240501134700-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240331024100">6 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240315120700&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Format_judul_musim_sinetron-20240315120700&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240315120700-Format_judul_musim_sinetron&quot;,&quot;c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240331024100-Format_judul_musim_sinetron&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Format judul musim sinetron&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Format judul musim sinetron&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240315120700-Format_judul_musim_sinetron"></span>Saya mendapati ada yang mengubah <a href="/wiki/Para_Pencari_Tuhan_Jilid_17" title="Para Pencari Tuhan Jilid 17">Para Pencari Tuhan Jilid 17</a> menjadi pengalihan ke <a href="/wiki/Para_Pencari_Tuhan_Jilid_17:_Buronan_Surga" title="Para Pencari Tuhan Jilid 17: Buronan Surga">Para Pencari Tuhan Jilid 17: Buronan Surga</a>. Saya sebenarnya kurang yakin apa judul yang tepat, jadi saya mau meminta konsensus format penamaan artikel seperti itu sebaiknya seperti apa, soalnya ini berpengaruh juga ke judul artikel-artikel lain yang serupa (contoh: <a href="/wiki/Kembalinya_Raden_Kian_Santang_Season_3" title="Kembalinya Raden Kian Santang Season 3">Kembalinya Raden Kian Santang Season 3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Amanah_Wali_7:_Menukar_Takdir" title="Amanah Wali 7: Menukar Takdir">Amanah Wali 7: Menukar Takdir</a>). Saya melihat ada paling tidak tiga opsi format penamaan: </p> <ol><li><b>Para Pencari Tuhan (musim 17)</b> (format standar untuk musim acara televisi, sepertinya hanya sinetron yang tidak memakai ini)</li> <li><b>Para Pencari Tuhan Jilid 17</b> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a> menurut pengamatan saya)</li> <li><b>Para Pencari Tuhan Jilid 17: Buronan Surga</b> (nama lengkap)</li></ol> <p><span style="border-radius: 5px; border: solid 2px #F99A2F; background-color: #F99A2F; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 5px;"><b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Daud_I.F._Argana" title="Pengguna:Daud I.F. Argana">Daud</a></b></span> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Daud_I.F._Argana" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Daud I.F. Argana">hubungi</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240315120700-Format_judul_musim_sinetron" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15 Maret 2024 12.07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240315120700-Format_judul_musim_sinetron"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240315120700-Format_judul_musim_sinetron"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240331024100-Format_judul_musim_sinetron"></span>Rupanya di WP EN, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(television)&amp;oldid=1212048060">standarnya baru saja diubah</a>. Tidak wajib diikuti, tapi mungkin opsi-opsi yang disebutkan di sana bisa jadi pilihan untuk format judul musim sinetron di sini. <span style="border-radius: 5px; border: solid 2px #F99A2F; background-color: #F99A2F; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 5px;"><b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Daud_I.F._Argana" title="Pengguna:Daud I.F. Argana">Daud</a></b></span> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Daud_I.F._Argana" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Daud I.F. Argana">hubungi</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240331024100-Format_judul_musim_sinetron" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">31 Maret 2024 02.41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240331024100-Format_judul_musim_sinetron"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240331024100-Format_judul_musim_sinetron"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-F1fans-20240501134700-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240331024100"></span>Kalau sinetron jadul format penamaannya jelas dan singkat kayak: Si Doel Anak Sekolahan 2, Tersanjung 3, atau Lorong Waktu 4. Nah kalau untuk sinetron zaman now, yang judul musimannya ditambahi kata (seperti Para Pencari Tuhan Jilid 17: Buronan Surga) saya lebih setuju dibuat pakai format seperti Para Pencari Tuhan (musim 17) <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:F1fans" title="Pengguna:F1fans">F1fans</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:F1fans" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:F1fans">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-F1fans-20240501134700-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240331024100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">1 Mei 2024 13.47 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-F1fans-20240501134700-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240331024100"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-F1fans-20240501134700-Daud_I.F._Argana-20240331024100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Fazoffic-20240320135500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Split-ticket_voting-20240320135500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Fazoffic-20240320135500-Split-ticket_voting&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Split-ticket voting&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Split-ticket voting&quot;}--><h2 id="Split-ticket_voting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Split-ticket_voting-20240320135500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Split-ticket_voting-20240320135500"></span>Split-ticket voting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Split-ticket_voting-20240320135500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Split-ticket voting"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Silencemen21-20240409015700-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600">7 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>14 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>9 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Fazoffic-20240320135500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Split-ticket_voting-20240320135500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Fazoffic-20240320135500-Split-ticket_voting&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Split-ticket voting&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Split-ticket voting&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazoffic-20240320135500-Split-ticket_voting"></span>Kira-kira adakah padanan yang lebih baik untuk <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-ticket_voting" class="extiw" title="en:Split-ticket voting">en:Split-ticket voting</a>? Izin memanggil <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Stephanus_Victor" title="Pengguna:Stephanus Victor">Stephanus Victor</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Henri_Aja" title="Pengguna:Henri Aja">Henri Aja</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Bennylin" title="Pengguna:Bennylin">Bennylin</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pengguna:Medelam">Medelam</a>, dan <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:RianHS" title="Pengguna:RianHS">RianHS</a>:</span>. Terima kasih ▪ <span style="font-size:85%;"><sup>꧋<a href="/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/Fazoffic" title="Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/Fazoffic">ꦩꦣꦪ.</a></sup></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span></a></b><sub> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#0055FF;"> ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Fazoffic-20240320135500-Split-ticket_voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Maret 2024 13.55 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazoffic-20240320135500-Split-ticket_voting"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazoffic-20240320135500-Split-ticket_voting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240320135900-Fazoffic-20240320135500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic">Fazoffic</a> izin berkomentar, tadi saya telah mencoba menerjemahkannya di DeepL lalu menemukan <b>pemungutan suara tiket terpisah</b> dan <b>pemungutan suara terpisah</b> sebagai artinya <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Badak Jawa">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Badak_Jawa-20240320135900-Fazoffic-20240320135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Maret 2024 13.59 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240320135900-Fazoffic-20240320135500"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badak_Jawa-20240320135900-Fazoffic-20240320135500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Medelam-20240321010800-Badak_Jawa-20240320135900"></span>Saya lebih cenderung menggunakan istilah aslinya saja. Mungkin jika dipaksakan, saya mungkin menggunakan "Pembagian/pemisahan suara/pilihan dalam pemilihan umum/pemungutan suara" (bdk. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://kuatbaca.com/umum/split-ticket-voting-pemisahan-suara-dalam-pemilihan-ganda-17082680961493-1013651">[1]</a>). Salam. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pengguna:Medelam">Medelam</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Medelam">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Medelam-20240321010800-Badak_Jawa-20240320135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Maret 2024 01.08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Medelam-20240321010800-Badak_Jawa-20240320135900"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Medelam-20240321010800-Badak_Jawa-20240320135900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazoffic-20240321095300-Medelam-20240321010800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pengguna:Medelam">Medelam</a>: Pasalnya pas nerjemahin <a href="/wiki/Pemilihan_umum_Presiden_Indonesia_2024#Analisis" title="Pemilihan umum Presiden Indonesia 2024">#Analisis</a> di artikel <a href="/wiki/Pemilihan_umum_Presiden_Indonesia_2024" title="Pemilihan umum Presiden Indonesia 2024">Pemilihan umum Presiden Indonesia 2024</a>, ada <i>split-ticket voting</i> yang saya ragu harus dilokalkan atau tidak. Pasalnya, ini mencakup istilah politik (atau mungkin "geopolitik"?) yang biasanya, kalau istilah-istilah beini biasanya kena terjemah. ▪ <span style="font-size:85%;"><sup>꧋<a href="/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/Fazoffic" title="Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/Fazoffic">ꦩꦣꦪ.</a></sup></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span></a></b><sub> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#0055FF;"> ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Fazoffic-20240321095300-Medelam-20240321010800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Maret 2024 09.53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazoffic-20240321095300-Medelam-20240321010800"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazoffic-20240321095300-Medelam-20240321010800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Medelam-20240321104500-Fazoffic-20240321095300"></span>Referensi 113 pada bagian Analisis diambil dari <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.detik.com/jogja/berita/d-7195465/anomali-suara-pdip-vs-ganjar-di-quick-count-ini-analisis-lsi-denny-ja">sini</a>. Dalam artikel tersebut, split-ticket voting tidak diterjemahkan. Namun demikian, saya menyarankan penjelasannya dapat menyertai. Salam. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pengguna:Medelam">Medelam</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Medelam">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Medelam-20240321104500-Fazoffic-20240321095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Maret 2024 10.45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Medelam-20240321104500-Fazoffic-20240321095300"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Medelam-20240321104500-Fazoffic-20240321095300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazoffic-20240321123300-Medelam-20240321104500"></span>Untuk sementara, saya memilih dipertahankan seperti itu saja. Toh saya juga belum berniat untuk membirukannya dalam waktu dekat. ▪ <span style="font-size:85%;"><sup>꧋<a href="/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/Fazoffic" title="Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/Fazoffic">ꦩꦣꦪ.</a></sup></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span></a></b><sub> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#0055FF;"> ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Fazoffic-20240321123300-Medelam-20240321104500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Maret 2024 12.33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazoffic-20240321123300-Medelam-20240321104500"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazoffic-20240321123300-Medelam-20240321104500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephanus_Victor-20240322020100-Fazoffic-20240321123300"></span>Split-ticket = pecah hak suara.<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Stephanus_Victor" title="Pengguna:Stephanus Victor">Stephanus Victor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Stephanus_Victor" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Stephanus Victor">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Stephanus_Victor-20240322020100-Fazoffic-20240321123300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22 Maret 2024 02.01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stephanus_Victor-20240322020100-Fazoffic-20240321123300"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stephanus_Victor-20240322020100-Fazoffic-20240321123300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rang_Djambak-20240322223200-Fazoffic-20240320135500"></span>Sebenarnya saya terpikirkan terjemahan yang cukup bagus, yakni <b>pemungutan suara bersilang</b>. Tapi ternyata itu ada artikelnya sendiri, <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/crossover_voting" class="extiw" title="en:crossover voting">crossover voting</a></i>. Tapinya lagi, saya berpikir <i>crossover voting</i> dapat diterjemahkan lain seperti <b>pemungutan suara berpindah</b>, memakai nama yang di Malaysia, <i>party-hopping</i>. Dan jika dilihat dari pengertiannya juga, terjemahan ini mungkin lebih cocok karena pemilih berpindah pilihan pada partai lain dalam satu pemilihan yang bukan afiliasi mereka atau bukan preferensi mereka pada pemilihan sebelumnya. Bukan memecah atau menyilangkan dua suara pada dua pemilihan seperti <i>split ticket voting</i>. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Rang Djambak">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Rang_Djambak-20240322223200-Fazoffic-20240320135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22 Maret 2024 22.32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rang_Djambak-20240322223200-Fazoffic-20240320135500"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rang_Djambak-20240322223200-Fazoffic-20240320135500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240329025000-Rang_Djambak-20240322223200"></span>Aku setuju dengan pendapat ini, tapi untuk <b>pemungutan suara berpindah</b>, sepertinya kurang tepat menurut saya. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240329025000-Rang_Djambak-20240322223200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">29 Maret 2024 02.50 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240329025000-Rang_Djambak-20240322223200"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span 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Damanik">Agus Damanik</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Agus_Damanik-20240331174300-Fazoffic-20240320135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">31 Maret 2024 17.43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Agus_Damanik-20240331174300-Fazoffic-20240320135500"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Agus_Damanik-20240331174300-Fazoffic-20240320135500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazoffic-20240401094700-Agus_Damanik-20240331174300"></span>Bagaimana kalau "Pembelahan suara"? Kemudian kalau digabungkan menjadi satu kalimat seperti pada <a href="/wiki/Pilpres_2024#Akibat" class="mw-redirect" title="Pilpres 2024">Pilpres 2024#Akibat</a> kira-kira cara nyambungnya gimana ya? Hehe. ▪ <span style="font-size:85%;"><sup>꧋<a href="/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/Fazoffic" title="Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/Fazoffic">ꦩꦣꦪ.</a></sup></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span></a></b><sub> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#0055FF;"> ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Fazoffic-20240401094700-Agus_Damanik-20240331174300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">1 April 2024 09.47 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazoffic-20240401094700-Agus_Damanik-20240331174300"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazoffic-20240401094700-Agus_Damanik-20240331174300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600-Fazoffic-20240401094700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic">Fazoffic</a> setelah melihat-lihat saran dari beberapa pengguna maka ada beberapa pilihan yang bisa dipilih : <ol><li>Pemungutan suara terpisah atau pemungutan suara tiket terpisah</li> <li>Tidak diterjemahkan</li> <li>Pecah hak suara</li> <li>Suara yang terbelah</li> <li>Politik pembelahan suara</li></ol></dd> <dd>Silakan anda memilih terjemahan yang sesuai ya. Salam <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Badak Jawa">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600-Fazoffic-20240401094700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">1 April 2024 10.36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600-Fazoffic-20240401094700"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600-Fazoffic-20240401094700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swarabakti-20240402004000-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600"></span>Mungkin untuk pertimbangan tambahan, ini ada yang pakai "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://nimd.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Electoral_engineering_-_indonesian_version.pdf">memecah hak pilih mereka</a>" untuk <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://nimd.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Engineering_electoral_systems_english_2nd_edition_july_2008.pdf">split their tickets</a></i>. Tapi ada juga yang pakai "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bphn.go.id/data/documents/08pr063.pdf">pemecahan hak suara</a>" untuk <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ico.org/documents/ica2007e.pdf">fractional votes</a></i>. — <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Swarabakti" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Swarabakti"><span title="ngobrol"><b><span style="color:#008080">swarabakti<sup>💬</sup></span></b></span></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Swarabakti-20240402004000-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2 April 2024 00.40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swarabakti-20240402004000-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swarabakti-20240402004000-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Silencemen21-20240409015700-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600"></span>Mungkin tambahan juga untuk <b>pemungutan suara beda jabatan dan beda partai</b> karena disebutkan di artikel Wikipedia bahasa Inggris bagian <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-ticket_voting#Example#United_States" class="extiw" title="en:Split-ticket voting">en:Split-ticket voting#Example#United States</a> dikasih contoh bahwa ada satu orang yang memilih Partai Demokrat untuk jabatan Senat AS, sedangkan orang ini juga memilih Partai Republik untuk jabatan DPR AS. Sekian saran saya. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Silencemen21" title="Pengguna:Silencemen21"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';color:#DF1414;"><i>Silence</i></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';color:#000080;"><i>men21</i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Silencemen21" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Silencemen21">✉️</a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Silencemen21-20240409015700-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">9 April 2024 01.57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Silencemen21-20240409015700-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Silencemen21-20240409015700-Badak_Jawa-20240401103600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-PinkDash-20240407073300&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita-20240407073300&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-PinkDash-20240407073300-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Arc cerita atau Bagian cerita&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Arc cerita atau Bagian cerita&quot;}--><h2 id="Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita-20240407073300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita-20240407073300"></span>Arc cerita atau Bagian cerita<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita-20240407073300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Arc cerita atau Bagian cerita"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-PinkDash-20240407073300-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita">7 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-PinkDash-20240407073300&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita-20240407073300&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-PinkDash-20240407073300-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Arc cerita atau Bagian cerita&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Arc cerita atau Bagian cerita&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240407073300-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita"></span>Saya berpikir, kalau misalnya halaman <a href="/wiki/Busur_cerita" title="Busur cerita">Busur cerita</a> dapat diterjemahkan menjadi "bagian cerita". Dikarenakan kalau dalam konteks anime, <i>arc</i> adalah merupakan sebuah bagian/bab dari sebuah rangkaian cerita yang di alami oleh seorang karakter utama. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240407073300-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">7 April 2024 07.33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240407073300-Arc_cerita_atau_Bagian_cerita"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Illchy-20240409005400&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya-20240409005400&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Illchy-20240409005400-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Usul pemindahan dari Britania Raya ke Inggris Inggris Raya&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Usul pemindahan dari Britania Raya ke Inggris Inggris Raya&quot;}--><h2 id="Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya" data-mw-thread-id="h-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya-20240409005400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya-20240409005400"></span>Usul pemindahan dari Britania Raya ke <s>Inggris</s> Inggris Raya<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya-20240409005400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Usul pemindahan dari Britania Raya ke Inggris Inggris Raya"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Illchy-20240512145900-Illchy-20240429103200">6 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>21 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>7 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Illchy-20240409005400&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya-20240409005400&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Illchy-20240409005400-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Usul pemindahan dari Britania Raya ke Inggris Inggris Raya&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Usul pemindahan dari Britania Raya ke Inggris Inggris Raya&quot;}--></div></div></div> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Britania_Raya" title="Britania Raya"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240409005400-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya"></span>Britania Raya</a> <span style="font-size: 120%;">➞</span> <a href="/wiki/Inggris_Raya" class="mw-redirect" title="Inggris Raya">Inggris Raya</a></dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r18844875">.mw-parser-output .hatnote{font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output div.hatnote{padding-left:1.6em;margin-bottom:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .hatnote i{font-style:normal}.mw-parser-output .hatnote+link+.hatnote{margin-top:-0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">Lihat pula: <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan:Britania_Raya#Pindah_ke_Kerajaan_Inggris" title="Pembicaraan:Britania Raya">Pembicaraan:Britania Raya § Pindah ke Kerajaan Inggris</a></div> <p>Dengan segala hormat, memandang beberapa usulan serupa yg gagal, salah satunya usulan oleh saya sendiri yg tiba tiba terhenti di <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan:Britania_Raya#Pindah_ke_Kerajaan_Inggris" title="Pembicaraan:Britania Raya">Pembicaraan:Britania Raya#Pindah ke Kerajaan Inggris</a>, dan sepertinya saya di suruh pindah ke WKB untuk membahas hal ini, kali ini saya akan menambah rumit masalah ini. Sebelum memulai, secara runut kita uraikan. </p> <ol><li><i>Apa tujuan didirikannya Wikipedia?</i></li></ol> <p><b>Untuk menyebarkan pengetahuan ke semua orang</b> </p> <ol><li><i>Siapa audiens Wikipedia?</i></li></ol> <p><b>Semua orang, bahkan termasuk orang awam yg tidak tahu bagaimana Wikipedia bekerja</b> </p><p>Semua orang, termasuk saya, pernah mencari informasi ke Wikipedia entah itu mengerjakan tugas, atau hanya iseng saja pengen baca. Ada satu ketika saat salah satu teman satu kelas saya, menjawab pertanyaan, "negara mana sajakah yg merupakan anggota <i>organisasi bla bla bla</i> (saya lupa namanya)". Dia menjawab <b>Britania Raya</b>, serta negara lainnya. Dan seperti yg kita semua duga, jawaban itu disalahkan oleh guru sejarah, karena guru sejarah saya mengira Britania Raya adalah negara yg berbeda. Dia jawab <i>Inggris</i> adalah jawaban yg benar. Sudah pasti jawaban Britania Raya berasal dari Wikipedia, karena cuma Wikipedia yg menggunakan nama Britania Raya. </p><p>Seperti kita sudah tau, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://kemlu.go.id/london/id/">Kedutaan Besar Republik Indonesia di London</a> menggunakan nama Kerajaan Inggris untuk menyebut United Kingdom. Nama ini bukan sekadar hanya pajangan, melainkan memang pengakuan dari pemerintah Indonesia bahwa United Kingdom (UK) adalah Inggris. Dan saya mengusulkan halaman yg saat ini bernama <a href="/wiki/Britania_Raya" title="Britania Raya">Britania Raya</a> untuk dipindahkan ke <s><a href="/wiki/Inggris" title="Inggris">Inggris</a></s> <a href="/wiki/Inggris_Raya" class="mw-redirect" title="Inggris Raya">Inggris Raya</a>. </p><p><s>Lalu bagaimana dengan halaman <a href="/wiki/Inggris" title="Inggris">Inggris</a> itu sendiri? Kita pindahkan ke <a href="/wiki/England" class="mw-redirect" title="England">England</a>.</s> <s>England</s> Inggris berbeda dari tiga negara bagian lain—Wales, Skotlandia, Irlandia Utara—karena selain ibukota United Kingdom terletak di <s>England</s> Inggris, <s>England</s> juga tidak menerima <a href="/wiki/Devolusi" title="Devolusi">devolusi</a>, sehingga pemerintahan UK dijalankan oleh <s>England</s> Inggris, sedangkan Wales, Skotlandia, Irlandia Utara menjalankan pemerintahannya masing masing. Kita bicara konotatif—masyarakat, pers, dan pemerintah sendiri mempunyai pengertian bahwa Inggris adalah negara yang berdaulat, setara dengan Amerika Serikat, Indonesia, Thailand, Jerman, Spanyol, dan masih banyak negara lain. Selain itu, secara konotatif, kita hanya mengenal Raja Inggris, Ratu Inggris. Tidak pernah terdengar di berita Raja Britania Raya, Raja Kerajaan Bersatu, ataupun Raja United Kingdom. </p><p>Mari kita main perbandingan, ada setidaknya dua bangsa di Asia yg masih menyebut United Kingdom sebagai Inggris, yaitu di Jepang, United Kingdom disebut <i>Igirisu</i> (<a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AA%E3%82%B9" class="extiw" title="ja:イギリス">イギリス</a>), sedangkan England disebut <i>Ingurando</i> (<a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89" class="extiw" title="ja:イングランド">イングランド</a>, cek di Wikipedia Jepang). Kedua nama tersebut memang terdapat kesamaan linguistik. Nama <i>Igirisu</i> diambil dari kata Portugis <i>Inglês</i> (ada sejarah dibaliknya), yg berarti sama dengan kata <i>English</i> dalam bahasa Inggris. Kata <i>Ingurando</i> adalah serapan kasar ala ala Jepang, yaitu cara orang Jepang mengucapkan nama England. Anda boleh melihat artikel <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://obaninternational.com/blog/buritisshu-or-igirisu-how-to-make-your-fashion-brand-more-visible-in-the-japanese-market/">Buritisshu or Igirisu? How to make your fashion brand more visible in the Japanese market?</a></i> jika tertarik mengenai topik tersebut (bukan promosi). </p><p>Bangsa lainnya adalah Tiongkok. Di Tiongkok, the United Kingdom disebut <i>Yīngguó</i> (<a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%8B%B1%E5%9B%BD" class="extiw" title="zh:英国">英国</a>, cek di Wikipedia Tionghoa). Sedangkan, England disebut <i>Yīnggélán</i> (<a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%8B%B1%E6%A0%BC%E5%85%B0" class="extiw" title="zh:英格兰">英格兰</a>). Kedua nama ini memang terlihat sama, sama sama menggunakan Yingg di bagian depannya. (Yg tahu bhs Tionghoa boleh komen). Anda boleh lihat pertanyaan menarik di Quora, <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-UK-called-England-in-Chinese">Why is the UK called England in Chinese?</a></i> </p><p><s>Tambah lagi, di Vietnam, the United Kingdom disebut <i>Anh</i> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Anh">Wiktionary</a>), 'bahasa Inggris' disebut <i>Anh</i> juga, lihat di Wiktionary, dan 'tim nas sepak bola England' disebut <i>Anh</i> juga. Semua yg saya sebutkan, baik di Jepang, Tiongkok, Vietnam, mereka secara umum menggunakan nama <i>Inggris</i> untuk menyebut United Kingdom. </s></p><p><s><i>Oke, terus bagaimana dengan nama bahasa Inggris, apakah akan diubah menjadi bahasa England</i>?. tidak perlu. Kata 'bahasa Inggris' adalah kata yg sangat dikenal. <i>Loh, bahasa Inggris oleh penduduk sana disebutnya kan English bukan British atau United Kingdom-ish?</i>. Bangsa Indonesia, memang menyebut baik 'United Kingdom' atau pun 'English language' sebagai Inggris. Hal ini bisa dibandingkan dalam nama 'bahasa Spanyol', di mana terdapat dua nama, yaitu 'español' dan 'castellano'. 'español' digunakan oleh negara Spanyol dan beberapa negara Amerika Latin. 'castellano' digunakan oleh beberapa negara Amerika Latin. 'español' sama dengan <i>Spanish</i>, sedangkan 'castellano' sama dengan <i>Castilian</i>. Dahulu kala, ada negara kuat di semenanjung Iberia, namanya adalah <i>Castile</i> atau Castilla. Sehingga, bahasa di sana disebut <i>Castilian</i>. Sejarah berjalan, negara Castile menaklukan negara lain di sekitar semenanjung Iberia, dan terciptalah negara Spanyol atau Spain. Kemudian, nama bahasa itu beralih dari 'Castilian' menjadi 'Spanish'. Tak lain tak bukan menyamakan dengan nama negara yg baru itu. </s></p><p><s><i>Oke, lalu bagaimana dengan tim nas sepak bola Inggris, di Indonesia kan disebutnya tim nas Inggris, apakah perlu diubah jadi tim nas England?</i>, itu bisa dibicarakan lagi. Mau tetap Inggris atau dipindah ke England.</s> </p><p><i>Oke, bagaimana dengan istilah geografis seperti British Isles, apakah jadi Kepulauan Inggris?</i>, untuk nama geografis kita bisa mempertahankan nama Britania ataupun Britain. Sehingga, British Isles bisa tetap Kepulauan Britania. Karena, yg saya usulkan adalah UK/British sebagai sebuah entitas politik, sehingga nama geografis bukan menjadi topik utama saya. Pulau <i>Great Britain</i> akan tetap menjadi pulau Britania Raya, karena ini merupakan istilah geografis. Meskipun ada penggunaan lain. </p><p><s><i>Lalu bagaimana dengan nama kerajaan lama seperti <a href="/wiki/Kerajaan_Britania_Raya" class="mw-redirect" title="Kerajaan Britania Raya">Kerajaan Britania Raya</a> dan <a href="/wiki/Kerajaan_Bersatu_Britania_Raya_dan_Irlandia" class="mw-redirect" title="Kerajaan Bersatu Britania Raya dan Irlandia">Kerajaan Bersatu Britania Raya dan Irlandia</a>?</i> kedua kerajaan tersebut bisa tetap dipertahankan sesuai nama aslinya, tinggal di jelaskan kalau 'Inggris' adalah nama umum. <i>Terus negara modern Kerajaan Bersatu Britania Raya dan Irlandia Utara</i>? bisa ditulis dengan nama panjang seperti itu, dijelaskan Inggris adalah nama umum negara itu.</s> </p><p><i>Oke, jadi British/Britain itu Britania atau Inggris</i>? kita bisa menyesuaikan konteksnya. Jika yg dibahas adalah geografi, kita bisa menyebut Britania. dan kalau konteksnya politis/pemerintahan sebut Inggris <s>dan/atau nama lengkap entitas politik tersebut.</s> </p><p><s>Maaf jika saya seperti orang sok tahu ataupun memaksakan opini saya. maaf juga saya pernah membuat kekacauan. Karena Wikipedia adalah ensiklopedia bebas dan menjunjung demokrasi, saya rasa pendapat saya bisa diterima, melihat pertimbangan yg begitu banyak, bukan sekedar opini pribadi.</s> </p><p>Saya sangat menunggu respon dan dukungan dari pengguna lainnya di Wikipedia. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240409005400-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">9 April 2024 00.54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240409005400-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240409005400-Usul_pemindahan_dari_Britania_Raya_ke_Inggris_Inggris_Raya"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zulf-20240409014900-Illchy-20240409005400"></span>Cukup menarik untuk didiskusikan. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pengguna:Zulf"><span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">🌴Zulf</span></a></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Zulf"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Zulf-20240409014900-Illchy-20240409005400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">9 April 2024 01.49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zulf-20240409014900-Illchy-20240409005400"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zulf-20240409014900-Illchy-20240409005400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazoffic-20240409113700-Zulf-20240409014900"></span>Sejujurnya, saya mau-mau aja mendukung. Soalnya seperti yang sudah diulang saban kali, standar penamaan "Inggris" memiliki nilai historis dan sesuai dengan budaya kita. Tapi, untuk membedakannya dengan <a href="/wiki/Inggris" title="Inggris">Inggris</a>, saya cenderung ke <b>Inggris Raya</b> dengan alasan yang sudah saya sampaikan <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan:Britania_Raya#c-Fazoffic-20240318115300-Fazoffic-20240314211200" title="Pembicaraan:Britania Raya">di sini</a>. Izin ngemention beberapa orang <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Bennylin" title="Pengguna:Bennylin">Bennylin</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:David_Wadie_Fisher-Freberg" title="Pengguna:David Wadie Fisher-Freberg">David Wadie Fisher-Freberg</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pengguna:Medelam">Medelam</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Stephanus_Victor" title="Pengguna:Stephanus Victor">Stephanus Victor</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Meabook" title="Pengguna:Meabook">Meabook</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pengguna:Hysocc">Hysocc</a>, dan <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Meursault2004" title="Pengguna:Meursault2004">Meursault2004</a>:</span> selaku bapak pembuat artikel untuk mendapat tanggapan/pendapat lain. Sebaiknya jangan terlalu gegabah. Terima kasih. ▪ <span style="font-size:85%;"><sup>꧋<a href="/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/Fazoffic" title="Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/Fazoffic">ꦩꦣꦪ.</a></sup></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span></a></b><sub> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#0055FF;"> ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Fazoffic-20240409113700-Zulf-20240409014900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">9 April 2024 11.37 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazoffic-20240409113700-Zulf-20240409014900"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazoffic-20240409113700-Zulf-20240409014900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hysocc-20240409143500-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span>Apakah kedubes RI di London menyampaikan nama tersebut, "kerajaan Inggris", kepada kemenlu UK? Atau nama "kerajaan Inggris" hanya untuk penggunaan internal kemenlu RI saja dan masih menyebut "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" dalam berbagai acara formal di sana?</dd> <dd>"Kerajaan Inggris" bolehlah menjadi simplifikasi, tapi sebaiknya jangan dijadikan judul resmi untuk di Wikipedia. Nama aslinya adalah "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", yang jika diterjemahkan per kata menjadi "Kerajaan Bersatu Britania Raya dan Irlandia Utara". "Britania Raya" di sini adalah nama pulau.</dd> <dd>Mereka sendiri telah mengalami pergantian nama kerajaan berulang-ulang dikarenakan juga perubahan wilayah kekuasaan yang senantiasa terjadi. Sehingga jika menggunakan acuan sejarah, kita cari tahu dulu, nama tersebut merupakan "united kingdom" versi yang mana? Kapan itu pertama kali disebutkan?</dd> <dd>Sehingga dengan alasan keaktualan, saya lebih cenderung untuk menggunakan nama lengkapnya, "<b>Kerajaan Bersatu Britania Raya dan Irlandia Utara</b>", dengan versi sederhananya adalah "Kerajaan Inggris", tanpa memindahkan "Inggris" ke "England". <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pengguna:Hysocc"><font face="segoe script">Hysocc</font></a><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hysocc"><font face="segoe script">, Let's talk</font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hysocc-20240409143500-Fazoffic-20240409113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">9 April 2024 14.35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hysocc-20240409143500-Fazoffic-20240409113700"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hysocc-20240409143500-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240422103400-Hysocc-20240409143500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pengguna:Hysocc">Hysocc</a>:</span> Yeah, halaman pemerintah UK sendiri menyebut UK sebagai 'Kerajaan Inggris Raya' <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.gov.uk/world/organisations/british-embassy-jakarta.id">lihat di sini</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240422103400-Hysocc-20240409143500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22 April 2024 10.34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240422103400-Hysocc-20240409143500"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240422103400-Hysocc-20240409143500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rex_Aurorum-20240424120300-Illchy-20240422103400"></span>Ada dua nomenklatur yang digunakan pada dokumen resmi antara Indonesia dan Britania, yaituː Kerajaan Inggris Raya<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://peraturan.bpk.go.id/Details/281830/perpres-no-40-tahun-2024">[2]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://jdih.menlhk.go.id/new2/uploads/files/PERPRES_40_2024.pdf">[3]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://treaty.kemlu.go.id/apisearch/pdf?filename=GBR-2018-0068.pdf">[4]</a> dan Kerajaan Britania Raya dan Irlandia Utara<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://118.98.228.190/agreementfs/228/Inggris_MoU_Bidang%20Pendidikan.pdf">[5]</a> ―<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rex_Aurorum" title="Pengguna:Rex Aurorum">Rex Aurōrum</a><sup><small>「<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Rex_Aurorum" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Rex Aurorum">Disputātiō</a>」</small></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Rex_Aurorum-20240424120300-Illchy-20240422103400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 April 2024 12.03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rex_Aurorum-20240424120300-Illchy-20240422103400"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rex_Aurorum-20240424120300-Illchy-20240422103400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240424125000-Rex_Aurorum-20240424120300"></span>Sebenarnya nama Inggris Raya yg saya usulkan ini adalah padanan dari United Kingdom. Sedangkan untuk nama lengkap/official bisa gunakan Kerajaan Bersatu Britania Raya dan Irlandia Utara. Nama Inggris Raya di sini sekadar untuk membedakan dari Inggris (England). Dan lain hal karena nama Inggris Raya ini juga digunakan oleh perusahaan Google <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240424125000-Rex_Aurorum-20240424120300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 April 2024 12.50 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240424125000-Rex_Aurorum-20240424120300"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240424125000-Rex_Aurorum-20240424120300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240424130200-Illchy-20240424125000"></span>Nama ini akan menjadi nama yg serasi. Karena United States adalah Amerika Serikat, bukan Negara Bersatu. Dan United Kingdom adalah Inggris Raya, bukan Kerajaan Bersatu. Nama ini juga tidak akan melukai hubungan UK dengan Indonesia karena pemerintah UK sendiri menggunakan nama Inggris Raya untuk padanan United Kingdom. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240424130200-Illchy-20240424125000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 April 2024 13.02 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240424130200-Illchy-20240424125000"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240424130200-Illchy-20240424125000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240424130300-Illchy-20240424130200"></span>Ditambah masyarakat akan lebih mudah memahami nama Inggris Raya dibandingkan Britania Raya, karena nama Inggris adalah nama tua yg sudah mengakar kuat dalam ingatan bangsa Indonesia. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240424130300-Illchy-20240424130200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 April 2024 13.03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240424130300-Illchy-20240424130200"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240424130300-Illchy-20240424130200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hysocc-20240409143900-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span>Koreksi, "<b>Kerajaan Inggris</b>" sudah dipakai untuk wilayah historis England di masa lampau. Saya memilih untuk menggunakan nama "Britania Raya" sebagai nama sederhana dari "<b>Kerajaan Bersatu Britania Raya dan Irlandia Utara</b>". <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pengguna:Hysocc"><font face="segoe script">Hysocc</font></a><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hysocc"><font face="segoe script">, Let's talk</font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hysocc-20240409143900-Fazoffic-20240409113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">9 April 2024 14.39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hysocc-20240409143900-Fazoffic-20240409113700"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hysocc-20240409143900-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240411060700-Hysocc-20240409143900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pengguna:Hysocc">Hysocc</a>:</span> Balik lagi ke common name. Britania Raya bukan nama yg umum dikenal masyarakat Indonesia. Di sekolah kita diajarkannya negara Inggris, bukan negara Britania Raya. Selain itu, media, saya bisa bilang semua media yg membuat berita di Indonesia, memberitakan negara ini sebagai Inggris. Dalam bahasa Inggris memang UK terkadang disebut Great Britain, tapi dalam bahasa Indonesia berbeda. Kita tidak harus memadankan nama yg memang tidak ada dalam budaya kita. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240411060700-Hysocc-20240409143900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 April 2024 06.07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240411060700-Hysocc-20240409143900"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240411060700-Hysocc-20240409143900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240411062500-Hysocc-20240409143900"></span>Misal di Wikipedia bahasa Denmark, Belanda disebut <a href="https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland" class="extiw" title="da:Holland">da:Holland</a>. Padahal, Holland hanyalah nama provinsi di Belanda. Nama yg <i>precise</i> adalah Nederlandene. Itu adalah konvensi di Denmark, sehingga komunitas Wikipedia sana, ikut menggunakan nama Holland, seperti apa yg ada di masyarakat. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240411062500-Hysocc-20240409143900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 April 2024 06.25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240411062500-Hysocc-20240409143900"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240411062500-Hysocc-20240409143900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240411082300-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic">Fazoffic</a>:</span> Inggris Raya juga boleh. Google pun menggunakan nama Inggris Raya pada beberapa produk mereka. Misal saat Anda ketik kata kunci <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=istana+westmister&amp;sca_esv=835ba0ee2498b9ce&amp;sca_upv=1&amp;source=hp&amp;ei=k5wXZs7cGNnd4-EP1uaMiAI&amp;iflsig=ANes7DEAAAAAZheqo96vqyOs9tpfKwlv_yw7sxv8rWQN&amp;ved=0ahUKEwiO8qDH3LmFAxXZ7jgGHVYzAyEQ4dUDCA0&amp;uact=5&amp;oq=istana+westmister&amp;gs_lp=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_l9&amp;sclient=gws-wizfFMon1juMPm_2j8Ac&amp;ved=0ahUKEwinsKu13LmFAxWJumMGHZv-CH4Q4dUDCBA&amp;uact=5&amp;oq=istana+westminster&amp;gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiEmlzdGFuYSB3ZXN0bWluc3RlcjIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzINEAAYgAQYigUYQxiwAzIZEC4YgAQYigUYQxjHARivARjIAxiwA9gBATIZEC4YgAQYigUYQxjHARivARjIAxiwA9gBAUiODFAAWABwAXgBkAEAmAEAoAEAqgEAuAEDyAEAmAIBoAItmAMAiAYBkAYJugYECAEYCJIHATGgBwA&amp;sclient=gws-wiz-serp">"istana westminster"</a> di pencarian Google menggunakan perangkat seluler, di bagian alamat akan tertulis "<i>📍 London SW1A 0AA, Inggris Raya</i>". Saat bahasa tampilan di switch ke bahasa Inggris, akan tertulis "<i>📍 London SW1A 0AA, United Kingdom</i>". <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240411082300-Fazoffic-20240409113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 April 2024 08.23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240411082300-Fazoffic-20240409113700"><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240411082300-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240414141200-Illchy-20240411082300"></span>Semakin dekat. Di halaman British Council <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://study-uk.britishcouncil.org/id/mengapa-belajar/tentang-inggris/negara-negara-di-inggris/skotlandia#:~:text=Tentang%20Skotlandia,paling%20utara%20di%20Inggris%20Raya.">Tentang Skotlandia. Negara paling utara di Inggris Raya</a>, di situ disebutkan kalau Skotlandia adalah bagian dari Inggris Raya. Siapa <a href="/wiki/British_Council" title="British Council">British Council</a>?, semacam organisasi milik pemerintah United Kingdom. Google menggunakan nama Inggris Raya, pemerintah UK sendiri juga menggunakan nama Inggris Raya. Jika banyak yg mendukung kita bisa pindahkan artikel <a href="/wiki/Britania_Raya" title="Britania Raya">Britania Raya</a> ke <a href="/wiki/Inggris_Raya" class="mw-redirect" title="Inggris Raya">Inggris Raya</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240414141200-Illchy-20240411082300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14 April 2024 14.12 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240414141200-Illchy-20240411082300"><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240414141200-Illchy-20240411082300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephanus_Victor-20240415012000-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span>Setuju dengan <b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Stephanus_Victor" title="Pengguna:Stephanus Victor">Stephanus Victor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Stephanus_Victor" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Stephanus Victor">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Stephanus_Victor-20240415012000-Fazoffic-20240409113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15 April 2024 01.20 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stephanus_Victor-20240415012000-Fazoffic-20240409113700"><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stephanus_Victor-20240415012000-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazily-20240422123800-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: #00cc00"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Setuju"><img alt="Setuju" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/18px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/27px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/36px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Setuju"><img alt="Setuju" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/18px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/27px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/36px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span></span> <b>Sangat setuju!</b> Dengan pendapat bung @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic">Fazoffic</a> <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazily" title="Pengguna:Fazily"><span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font:italic">Fazily</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Fazily" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazily">📩</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CVU" title="Wikipedia:CVU"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/CVU.svg/20px-CVU.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/CVU.svg/30px-CVU.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/CVU.svg/40px-CVU.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Fazily-20240422123800-Fazoffic-20240409113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22 April 2024 12.38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazily-20240422123800-Fazoffic-20240409113700"><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazily-20240422123800-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240423105700-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic">Fazoffic</a>:</span> Pemungutan suara sepertinya ide bagus.. Terlebih Moskwa vs Moskow kemaren dimenangkan oleh Moskow dengan alasan WP:COMMONNAME <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240423105700-Fazoffic-20240409113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23 April 2024 10.57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240423105700-Fazoffic-20240409113700"><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240423105700-Fazoffic-20240409113700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zulf-20240423155700-Illchy-20240423105700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> sepertinya masih perlu diskusi lebih lanjut sebelum melangkah kedepannya. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:9pt 0;padding:1px 7px;background:linear-gradient(to bottom right, blue,#00FF7F)"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pengguna:Zulf"><span style="color:#fff;font:1em Lucida Sans">🍃Zulf🍃</span></a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Zulf"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Zulf-20240423155700-Illchy-20240423105700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23 April 2024 15.57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zulf-20240423155700-Illchy-20240423105700"><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zulf-20240423155700-Illchy-20240423105700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240423160100-Zulf-20240423155700"></span>Kenapa Anda tidak ikut berpendapat juga? Apakah setuju atau tidak dengan usulan saya. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240423160100-Zulf-20240423155700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23 April 2024 16.01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240423160100-Zulf-20240423155700"><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240423160100-Zulf-20240423155700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240429103200-Illchy-20240423160100"></span>Sejujurnya saya kesal padahal waktu itu pembicaraan di halaman Britania Raya sudah mencapai kesepakatan dan akan diadakan pemungutan suara. Entah kenapa tiba tiba berhenti hanya gara gara salah tempat diskusi. <i>Mind blowing!</i> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240429103200-Illchy-20240423160100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">29 April 2024 10.32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240429103200-Illchy-20240423160100"><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240429103200-Illchy-20240423160100"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240512145900-Illchy-20240429103200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic">Fazoffic</a>:</span> bantu saya memulai pemungutan suara. ini sudah satu bulan dan tidak banyak tanggapan. sebenarnya ini hanyalah kelanjutan dari diskusi di halaman pembicaraan yg gagal jadi sah sah saja mengadakan pemungutan suara. tolong bantu saya. saya mohon. klo tidak mau ntar saya bikin pemungutan suara sendiri. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240512145900-Illchy-20240429103200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12 Mei 2024 14.59 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240512145900-Illchy-20240429103200"><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240512145900-Illchy-20240429103200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Hilman078-20240409062400&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Cape-20240409062400&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Hilman078-20240409062400-Cape&quot;,&quot;h-Referensi-Cape&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Cape&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Cape&quot;}--><h2 id="Cape" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cape-20240409062400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cape-20240409062400"></span>Cape<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cape-20240409062400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=5" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Cape"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Illchy-20240409181900-Hilman078-20240409062400">7 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Hilman078-20240409062400&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Cape-20240409062400&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Hilman078-20240409062400-Cape&quot;,&quot;h-Referensi-Cape&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Cape&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Cape&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hilman078-20240409062400-Cape"></span>Apa padanan kata untuk cape (<a class="external free" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape</a>) ini berbeda dengan robe (jubah). Sebelumnya terima kasih. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Hilman078&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Hilman078 (halaman belum tersedia)">Hilman078</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hilman078" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hilman078">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hilman078-20240409062400-Cape" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">9 April 2024 06.24 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hilman078-20240409062400-Cape"><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hilman078-20240409062400-Cape"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ariyanto-20240409085900-Hilman078-20240409062400"></span>Kape<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd> <dd>- <font face="Viner Hand ITC"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Ariyanto" title="Pengguna:Ariyanto"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/id/thumb/a/a9/Heiwa.png/40px-Heiwa.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/id/thumb/a/a9/Heiwa.png/60px-Heiwa.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/id/thumb/a/a9/Heiwa.png/80px-Heiwa.png 2x" data-file-width="533" data-file-height="271"/></a></span> <span style="text-decoration:blink"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Ariyanto" title="Pengguna:Ariyanto">Ariyanto</a> </span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Ariyanto" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Ariyanto"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Gartoon-Evolution.png/20px-Gartoon-Evolution.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Gartoon-Evolution.png/30px-Gartoon-Evolution.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Gartoon-Evolution.png/40px-Gartoon-Evolution.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="123"/></a></span></font> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Ariyanto-20240409085900-Hilman078-20240409062400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">9 April 2024 08.59 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ariyanto-20240409085900-Hilman078-20240409062400"><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ariyanto-20240409085900-Hilman078-20240409062400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240409181900-Hilman078-20240409062400"></span>sama saya juga cape <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240409181900-Hilman078-20240409062400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">9 April 2024 18.19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240409181900-Hilman078-20240409062400"><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240409181900-Hilman078-20240409062400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Referensi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Referensi-Cape"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Referensi-Cape"></span>Referensi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Referensi-Cape"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=6" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Referensi"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r18833634">.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%;margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation web"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/entri/Kape">"Hasil Pencarian - KBBI VI Daring"</a>. <i>kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id</i><span class="reference-accessdate">. Diakses tanggal <span class="nowrap">2024-04-09</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=unknown&amp;rft.jtitle=kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id&amp;rft.atitle=Hasil+Pencarian+-+KBBI+VI+Daring&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fkbbi.kemdikbud.go.id%2Fentri%2FKape&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fid.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWarung+Kopi+%28Bahasa%29" class="Z3988"><span style="display:none;"> </span></span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Putsch-20240410113200&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200-Putsch&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Putsch&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Putsch&quot;}--><h2 id="Putsch" data-mw-thread-id="h-Putsch-20240410113200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Putsch-20240410113200"></span>Putsch<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Putsch-20240410113200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=7" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Putsch"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Illchy-20240411053900-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200">7 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Putsch-20240410113200&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200-Putsch&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Putsch&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Putsch&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200-Putsch"></span>Mau tanya, padanan kata "Putsch" dalam bahasa Indonesia apa ya ? Saya lihat ada beberapa artikel yang memakai istilah tersebut seperti <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961" class="extiw" title="en:Algiers putsch of 1961">en:Algiers putsch of 1961</a> dan <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapp_Putsch" class="extiw" title="en:Kapp Putsch">en:Kapp Putsch</a>. Memang kalo merujuk ke enwiki, kata "Putsch" dialihkan ke artikel "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27etat" class="extiw" title="en:Coup d'etat">en:Coup d'etat</a>" atau lebih tepatnya disebut "Upaya kudeta" karena kejadian yang dilakukan berujung pada kegagalan. Seperti halnya artikel <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny" class="extiw" title="en:Mutiny">en:Mutiny</a> tapi dikasih padanan eksklusif <a href="/wiki/Dahagi" title="Dahagi">Dahagi</a> oleh bung JJ dan bukannya <a href="/wiki/Pemberontakan" title="Pemberontakan">Pemberontakan</a>. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Glorious_Engine" title="Pengguna:Glorious Engine">Glorious Engine</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Glorious_Engine" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Glorious Engine">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200-Putsch" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10 April 2024 11.32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200-Putsch"><span id="ooui-php-43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200-Putsch"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240411053900-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200"></span>Sama dengan coup d etat, bedanya kalo putsch berasal dari bahasa Jerman. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240411053900-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 April 2024 05.39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240411053900-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200"><span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240411053900-Glorious_Engine-20240410113200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Arti_dari_city_council-20240416065900&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900-Arti_dari_city_council&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Arti dari city council&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Arti dari city council&quot;}--><h2 id="Arti_dari_city_council" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arti_dari_city_council-20240416065900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arti_dari_city_council-20240416065900"></span>Arti dari city council<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arti_dari_city_council-20240416065900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=8" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Arti dari city council"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Japra_Jayapati-20240416161200-Agus_Damanik-20240416154500">7 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Arti_dari_city_council-20240416065900&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900-Arti_dari_city_council&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Arti dari city council&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Arti dari city council&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900-Arti_dari_city_council"></span>Halo para Wikipediawan saya ingin bertanya mengenai arti dari <i>city council</i>. Saya mengundang @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Japra_Jayapati" title="Pengguna:Japra Jayapati">Japra Jayapati</a>, @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Stephanus_Victor" title="Pengguna:Stephanus Victor">Stephanus Victor</a>, @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pengguna:Agus Damanik">Agus Damanik</a>, @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a> untuk mengemukakan pendapat kalian. Saya menanyakan hal ini setelah menerjemahkan artikel Ipoh City Council dari Wikipedia Inggris. Apa arti yang tepat untuk menerjemahkan tempat tersebut? <b>Dewan Kota</b> atau menggunakan <b>Majelis Bandaraya</b> mengikuti Wikipedia Melayu? Jika kalian menemukan artinya silakan memberikan tanggapan disini <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Badak Jawa">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900-Arti_dari_city_council" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16 April 2024 06.59 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900-Arti_dari_city_council"><span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900-Arti_dari_city_council"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rang_Djambak-20240416074100-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900"></span>Menurut saya Dewan Kota. Majelis Bandaraya itu sama saja artinya dengan Dewan Kota di Bahasa Indonesia. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Rang Djambak">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Rang_Djambak-20240416074100-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16 April 2024 07.41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rang_Djambak-20240416074100-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900"><span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rang_Djambak-20240416074100-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240416074300-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900"></span>Saya setuju dengan bung rang jambak, karena "council" adalah arti dari dewan dan "city" adalah arti dari kota. Maka jika digabungkan menjadi Dewan kota Ipoh <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240416074300-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16 April 2024 07.43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240416074300-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900"><span id="ooui-php-47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240416074300-Badak_Jawa-20240416065900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Agus_Damanik-20240416154500-PinkDash-20240416074300"></span>Dewan kota cukup <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pengguna:Agus Damanik">Agus Damanik</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Agus_Damanik-20240416154500-PinkDash-20240416074300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16 April 2024 15.45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Agus_Damanik-20240416154500-PinkDash-20240416074300"><span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator 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ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Fazoffic-20240418081800&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h--elect-20240418081800&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Fazoffic-20240418081800--elect&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;-elect&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;-elect&quot;}--><h2 id="-elect" data-mw-thread-id="h--elect-20240418081800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h--elect-20240418081800"></span>-elect<span data-mw-comment-end="h--elect-20240418081800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=9" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: -elect"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Swarabakti-20240419005600-Fazoffic-20240418081800">7 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>8 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>7 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Fazoffic-20240418081800&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h--elect-20240418081800&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Fazoffic-20240418081800--elect&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;-elect&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;-elect&quot;}--></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazoffic-20240418081800--elect"></span>Adakah padanan lain yang lebih baik untuk <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-elect" class="extiw" title="en:-elect">-elect</a></i> <small>(en)</small> dibanding <a href="/wiki/Pejabat_terpilih" title="Pejabat terpilih">Pejabat terpilih</a>?</li> <li>Kira-kira adakah padanan untuk <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_minister%E2%80%93designate" class="extiw" title="en:Prime minister–designate">Prime minister–designate</a> <small>(en)</small>?</li></ul> <p>Izin mention <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Japra_Jayapati" title="Pengguna:Japra Jayapati">Japra Jayapati</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Stephanus_Victor" title="Pengguna:Stephanus Victor">Stephanus Victor</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pengguna:Agus Damanik">Agus Damanik</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pengguna:Medelam">Medelam</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Swarabakti" title="Pengguna:Swarabakti">Swarabakti</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash">PinkDash</a>, dan <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a>:</span>. Terima kasih. ▪ <span style="font-size:85%;"><sup>꧋<a href="/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/Fazoffic" title="Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/Fazoffic">ꦩꦣꦪ.</a></sup></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span></a></b><sub> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#0055FF;"> ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Fazoffic-20240418081800--elect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18 April 2024 08.18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazoffic-20240418081800--elect"><span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazoffic-20240418081800--elect"></span> </p> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephanus_Victor-20240418084800-Fazoffic-20240418081800"></span>-elect</i> = -terpilih</dd> <dd><i>Prime minister-designate</i> = Perdana menteri tertetapkan <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Stephanus_Victor" title="Pengguna:Stephanus Victor">Stephanus Victor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Stephanus_Victor" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Stephanus Victor">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Stephanus_Victor-20240418084800-Fazoffic-20240418081800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18 April 2024 08.48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stephanus_Victor-20240418084800-Fazoffic-20240418081800"><span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stephanus_Victor-20240418084800-Fazoffic-20240418081800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Henri_Aja-20240418090400-Fazoffic-20240418081800"></span>Setuju dengan Bung <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pengguna:Stephanus_Victor">Stephanus Victor</a></span>, <i>Elect</i> = terpilih, tetapi belum resmi dilantik (belum menjabat) dan <i>Prime minister/premier-designate</i> = pejabat yang ditunjuk. Salam. <span style="font-family:Candara"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Henri_Aja" title="Pengguna:Henri Aja">🅷🅴🅽🆁🅸</a><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Henri_Aja" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Henri Aja"><font style="text-shadow: 2px 5px 2px #7A7A7A;"> <small><sup><b>ngopi lur?</b></sup></small> ✉</font></a></span> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Henri_Aja-20240418090400-Fazoffic-20240418081800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18 April 2024 09.04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Henri_Aja-20240418090400-Fazoffic-20240418081800"><span id="ooui-php-52" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Henri_Aja-20240418090400-Fazoffic-20240418081800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Agus_Damanik-20240418094500-Henri_Aja-20240418090400"></span>Terpilih sudah bagus. sering digunakan juga di kanal berita dan masyarakat.</dd> <dd>Gimana kalau "peruntukan" untuk terjemahan designate? <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pengguna:Agus Damanik">Agus Damanik</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Agus_Damanik-20240418094500-Henri_Aja-20240418090400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18 April 2024 09.45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Agus_Damanik-20240418094500-Henri_Aja-20240418090400"><span id="ooui-php-53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Agus_Damanik-20240418094500-Henri_Aja-20240418090400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240418100700-Agus_Damanik-20240418094500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic">Fazoffic</a> arti dari <i>Prime minister–designate</i> adalah perdana menteri yang ditunjuk <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Badak Jawa">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Badak_Jawa-20240418100700-Agus_Damanik-20240418094500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18 April 2024 10.07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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id="c-PinkDash-20240418102200-Fazoffic-20240418081800"></span>Kalau dari kata sifat "designate" adalah arti dari kata "calon", sedangkan untuk yang <i>elect saya</i> setuju dengan yang lainnya. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240418102200-Fazoffic-20240418081800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18 April 2024 10.22 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240418102200-Fazoffic-20240418081800"><span id="ooui-php-55" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240418102200-Fazoffic-20240418081800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swarabakti-20240419004100-PinkDash-20240418102200"></span>Ini biasanya lebih ke <i>PM-in-waiting</i> secara umum, kalo <i>-designate</i> biasanya statusnya sudah pasti. — <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Swarabakti" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Swarabakti"><span title="ngobrol"><b><span style="color:#008080">swarabakti<sup>💬</sup></span></b></span></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Swarabakti-20240419004100-PinkDash-20240418102200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 April 2024 00.41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swarabakti-20240419004100-PinkDash-20240418102200"><span id="ooui-php-56" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swarabakti-20240419004100-PinkDash-20240418102200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swarabakti-20240419005600-Fazoffic-20240418081800"></span>Dalam banyak kasus, penerjemahan <i>PM-designate</i> sebagai "PM terpilih" juga bisa dipertimbangkan, karena makna kata "terpilih" dalam bahasa Indonesia tidak sama persis dengan <i>-elect</i> yang biasanya khusus pilihan pemilu; PM yang ditetapkan tanpa pemilu pun dapat dikatakan "terpilih". Alternatif lainnya bisa juga "PM mendatang" (<i>-incoming</i>), ini paling banyak muncul kalau di pencarian Google. "PM tertetapkan" bisa berpadanan secara makna, tapi kalau dicari hanya akan memunculkan halaman warkop ini. — <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Swarabakti" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Swarabakti"><span title="ngobrol"><b><span style="color:#008080">swarabakti<sup>💬</sup></span></b></span></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Swarabakti-20240419005600-Fazoffic-20240418081800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 April 2024 00.56 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swarabakti-20240419005600-Fazoffic-20240418081800"><span id="ooui-php-57" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swarabakti-20240419005600-Fazoffic-20240418081800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Padanan_penyanyi_playback-20240419090500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500-Padanan_penyanyi_playback&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Padanan penyanyi playback&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Padanan penyanyi playback&quot;}--><h2 id="Padanan_penyanyi_playback" data-mw-thread-id="h-Padanan_penyanyi_playback-20240419090500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Padanan_penyanyi_playback-20240419090500"></span>Padanan penyanyi playback<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Padanan_penyanyi_playback-20240419090500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=10" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Padanan penyanyi playback"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-PinkDash-20240422100000-Badak_Jawa-20240421105600">7 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>8 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Padanan_penyanyi_playback-20240419090500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500-Padanan_penyanyi_playback&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Padanan penyanyi playback&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Padanan penyanyi playback&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500-Padanan_penyanyi_playback"></span>Halo! Saya ingin menanyakan padanan yang tepat untuk penyanyi playback. Saya sempat melihat artikelnya di Wikipedia Inggris kalimat pembuka berbunyi <i>A <b>playback singer</b> (as they are usually known in South Asian cinema) or <b>ghost singer</b> (in Western cinema)</i>. Kalau diterjemahkan menjadi <b>Penyanyi playback</b> (seperti yang biasanya dikenal di sinema Asia Selatan atau <b>penyanyi hantu</b> (di sinema Barat). Apakah kita tetap menggunakan istilah penyanyi playback, mengganti judulnya menjadi penyanyi hantu atau ada arti lain? Saya mengundang @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a>, @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Japra_Jayapati" title="Pengguna:Japra Jayapati">Japra Jayapati</a>, @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Swarabakti" title="Pengguna:Swarabakti">Swarabakti</a> dan mempersilakan pengguna lain yang jago bahasa Inggris untuk mengemukakan pendapat. Salam <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Badak Jawa">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500-Padanan_penyanyi_playback" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 April 2024 09.05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500-Padanan_penyanyi_playback"><span id="ooui-php-58" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500-Padanan_penyanyi_playback"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swarabakti-20240419093900-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500"></span>Di <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan:Penyanyi_playback" class="mw-redirect" title="Pembicaraan:Penyanyi playback">halaman pembicaraannya</a> ada yang mengusulkan "penyanyi bayangan", cf. <a href="/wiki/Penulis_bayangan" title="Penulis bayangan">penulis bayangan</a>. Untuk perbedaan dialek dalam peristilahan bahasa Inggrisnya sepertinya tidak perlu turut diterjemahkan, kecuali memang diberikan langsung dalam bahasa aslinya, i.e. "Penyanyi bayangan, juga dikenal sebagai <i>playback singer</i> dalam sinema Asia Selatan atau <i>ghost singer</i> dalam sinema Barat..." — <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Swarabakti" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Swarabakti"><span title="ngobrol"><b><span style="color:#008080">swarabakti<sup>💬</sup></span></b></span></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Swarabakti-20240419093900-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 April 2024 09.39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swarabakti-20240419093900-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500"><span id="ooui-php-59" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swarabakti-20240419093900-Badak_Jawa-20240419090500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rang_Djambak-20240419120700-Swarabakti-20240419093900"></span>Jika penyanyi bayangan, maka ada sedikit perbedaan makna dengan penulis bayangan, yang mana karya penulis bayangan biasanya atas nama orang lain. Sedangkan penyanyi bayangan, orangnya saja yang tidak tampil di layar, sedangkan karyanya masih bisa atas namanya. Namun dibandingkan penyanyi playback, padanan penyanyi bayangan Saya rasa memang lebih cocok. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Rang Djambak">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Rang_Djambak-20240419120700-Swarabakti-20240419093900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 April 2024 12.07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rang_Djambak-20240419120700-Swarabakti-20240419093900"><span id="ooui-php-60" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rang_Djambak-20240419120700-Swarabakti-20240419093900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240419123300-Rang_Djambak-20240419120700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a> @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Swarabakti" title="Pengguna:Swarabakti">Swarabakti</a> apakah cocok jika saya terjemahkan menjadi penyanyi pemutaran? <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Badak Jawa">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Badak_Jawa-20240419123300-Rang_Djambak-20240419120700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 April 2024 12.33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240419123300-Rang_Djambak-20240419120700"><span id="ooui-php-61" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badak_Jawa-20240419123300-Rang_Djambak-20240419120700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swarabakti-20240419141800-Badak_Jawa-20240419123300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> Saya rasa untuk <i>playback singer</i>, ciri utamanya bukan pemutaran ulang rekamannya, tapi bahwa lagunya dipakai <i>lip-sync</i> orang lain. Kalau makna kedua yang ingin dikedepankan, "penyanyi bayangan" kemungkinan lebih mudah dipahami pembaca karena sudah ada preseden pemadanan <i>ghost</i> dalam konteks serupa dengan "bayangan" (walaupun bukan padanan persis, seperti yang dijelaskan @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a>). — <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Swarabakti" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Swarabakti"><span title="ngobrol"><b><span style="color:#008080">swarabakti<sup>💬</sup></span></b></span></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Swarabakti-20240419141800-Badak_Jawa-20240419123300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 April 2024 14.18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swarabakti-20240419141800-Badak_Jawa-20240419123300"><span id="ooui-php-62" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swarabakti-20240419141800-Badak_Jawa-20240419123300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240421090700-Swarabakti-20240419141800"></span>Mungkin bisa dimaksudkan dalam konteksnya adalah, memang bisa saja dinamakan sebagai "penyanyi bayangan", karena bisa jadi <i>playback</i> ini adalah musik yang diputar kembali tapi penyanyi tersebut seperti seolah menyanyikan lagunya, ini menurutku. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240421090700-Swarabakti-20240419141800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 April 2024 09.07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240421090700-Swarabakti-20240419141800"><span id="ooui-php-63" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240421090700-Swarabakti-20240419141800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240421105600-PinkDash-20240421090700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash">PinkDash</a>, @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a>, @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Swarabakti" title="Pengguna:Swarabakti">Swarabakti</a> terimakasih telah memberikan tanggapan kalian. Berarti jika saya ganti judulnya menjadi penyanyi bayangan tidak masalah ya. Salam Wikipedia <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Badak Jawa">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Badak_Jawa-20240421105600-PinkDash-20240421090700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 April 2024 10.56 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240421105600-PinkDash-20240421090700"><span id="ooui-php-64" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badak_Jawa-20240421105600-PinkDash-20240421090700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240422100000-Badak_Jawa-20240421105600"></span>semoga saja hahaha <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240422100000-Badak_Jawa-20240421105600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22 April 2024 10.00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240422100000-Badak_Jawa-20240421105600"><span id="ooui-php-65" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240422100000-Badak_Jawa-20240421105600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Sate_dan_voluntarisme-20240511031300&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300-Sate_dan_voluntarisme&quot;,&quot;c-RaFaDa20631-20240527113700-Sate_dan_voluntarisme&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Sate dan voluntarisme&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Sate dan voluntarisme&quot;}--><h2 id="Sate_dan_voluntarisme" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sate_dan_voluntarisme-20240511031300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sate_dan_voluntarisme-20240511031300"></span>Sate dan voluntarisme<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sate_dan_voluntarisme-20240511031300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=11" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Sate dan voluntarisme"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-RaFaDa20631-20240527113700-Sate_dan_voluntarisme">5 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>9 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>7 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Sate_dan_voluntarisme-20240511031300&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300-Sate_dan_voluntarisme&quot;,&quot;c-RaFaDa20631-20240527113700-Sate_dan_voluntarisme&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Sate dan voluntarisme&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Sate dan voluntarisme&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300-Sate_dan_voluntarisme"></span>Saya melihat di KBBI, sate adalah ragam cakapan dari satai.<span class="plainlinks"><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/entri/sate">[6]</a></span> Wikipedia sebisa mungkin menghindari ragam cakapan karena tujuannya adalah menyajikan informasi secara netral dan bersifat ensiklopedis. Oleh sebab itu, bagaimana jika semua artikel subsate dijadikan satai? Misalkan sate Padang bakal kita pindah ke satai Padang, dll. </p><p>Kedua, voluntarisme tidak ada di KBBI. Yang ada hanyalah volunterisme,<span class="plainlinks"><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/entri/volunterisme">[7]</a></span> yang berarti kata tersebut adalah bentuk bakunya. Setuju tidak saya pindahkan voluntarisme ke volunterisme? Berikan pendapat Anda. Jika setuju atau tidak, berikan alasannya. Salam. <span style="font-family:times;text-shadow:0 0 .5em #7af"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">Serigala Sumatera 🐺🏍️</a></span> <sup><sub><span style="color:#0000FF;">(<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">diskusi nang kene☕</a>)</span></sub></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300-Sate_dan_voluntarisme" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 Mei 2024 03.13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300-Sate_dan_voluntarisme"><span id="ooui-php-66" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300-Sate_dan_voluntarisme"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zulf-20240511173400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"></span>ini cukup menarik untuk dibahas, di mana "sate" telah menjadi kata yang sudah tidak asing lagi padahal itu bentuk non-formal, akan tetapi ini perlu di bahas lebih lanjut, soalnya sate sudah menjadi kata seperti umum. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:9pt 0;padding:1px 7px;background:linear-gradient(to bottom right, blue,#00FF7F)"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pengguna:Zulf"><span style="color:#fff;font:1em Lucida Sans">🍃Zulf🍃</span></a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Zulf"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Zulf-20240511173400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 Mei 2024 17.34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zulf-20240511173400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"><span id="ooui-php-67" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zulf-20240511173400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240513063400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"></span>Kalau untuk "satai" menurut aku tidak usah karena yah walaupun bentuk ragaman, tetapi akankah menjadi jelek jika nama judul halaman tersebut menjadi satai?. untuk volunterisme saya cukup setuju untuk diganti judul halamannya. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240513063400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13 Mei 2024 06.34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240513063400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"><span id="ooui-php-68" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240513063400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240514094500-PinkDash-20240513063400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash">PinkDash</a>: Tentu tidak. Kata yang sesuai dengan kaidah bahasa Indonesia menurut KBBI tidak mesti jelek. Untuk volunterisme <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="OK"><img alt="OK" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Symbol_OK.svg/18px-Symbol_OK.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Symbol_OK.svg/27px-Symbol_OK.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Symbol_OK.svg/36px-Symbol_OK.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="744" data-file-height="744"/></span></span> <b>OK</b> <span style="font-family:times;text-shadow:0 0 .5em #7af"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">Serigala Sumatera 🐺🏍️</a></span> <sup><sub><span style="color:#0000FF;">(<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">diskusi nang kene☕</a>)</span></sub></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240514094500-PinkDash-20240513063400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14 Mei 2024 09.45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240514094500-PinkDash-20240513063400"><span id="ooui-php-69" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240514094500-PinkDash-20240513063400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240513141200-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"></span>Per wp common name saya menolak keras nama satai itu. Jangan terlalu terpaku pada kamus tapi juga gunakan akal sehat (common sense). <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240513141200-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13 Mei 2024 14.12 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240513141200-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"><span id="ooui-php-70" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240513141200-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240514135900-Illchy-20240513141200"></span>aku setuju sih sama bung illchy. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240514135900-Illchy-20240513141200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14 Mei 2024 13.59 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240514135900-Illchy-20240513141200"><span id="ooui-php-71" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240514135900-Illchy-20240513141200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazoffic-20240515223600-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">Serigala Sumatera</a>: <dl><dt>Satai<span style="font-size: 120%;">➞</span>Sate</dt></dl></dd> <dd>Kita tidak wajib mengikuti KBBI. Jangan terlalu terpaku ke sana, silakan rujuk kembali ke <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>. Permasalahan semacam ini memang sudah sering diulang-ulang banyak kali. <dl><dt>Voluntarisme<span style="font-size: 120%;">➞</span>Volunterisme</dt></dl></dd> <dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Berkas:Symbol_support_vote.svg" title="Setuju"><img alt="Setuju" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Setuju</b> dipindahkan. Terima kasih. ▪ <span style="font-size:85%;"><sup>꧋<a href="/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/Fazoffic" title="Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/Fazoffic">ꦩꦣꦪ.</a></sup></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span></a></b><sub> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#0055FF;"> ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Fazoffic-20240515223600-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15 Mei 2024 22.36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazoffic-20240515223600-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"><span id="ooui-php-72" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazoffic-20240515223600-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Agus_Damanik-20240516023800-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"></span>volunterisme setuju. Satay tidak. KBBI bukan pakem wajib <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pengguna:Agus Damanik">Agus Damanik</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Agus_Damanik-20240516023800-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16 Mei 2024 02.38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Agus_Damanik-20240516023800-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"><span id="ooui-php-73" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Agus_Damanik-20240516023800-Serigala_Sumatera-20240511031300"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RaFaDa20631-20240527113700-Sate_dan_voluntarisme"></span>Mending baca ini deh <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Jangan_bergantung_pada_KBBI" title="Wikipedia:Jangan bergantung pada KBBI">Wikipedia:Jangan bergantung pada KBBI</a>. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:RaFaDa20631" title="Pengguna:RaFaDa20631">RaFaDa20631</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:RaFaDa20631" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:RaFaDa20631">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-RaFaDa20631-20240527113700-Sate_dan_voluntarisme" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">27 Mei 2024 11.37 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RaFaDa20631-20240527113700-Sate_dan_voluntarisme"><span id="ooui-php-74" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RaFaDa20631-20240527113700-Sate_dan_voluntarisme"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf-20240523075100&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Chewing gum &amp; Sugarloaf&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Chewing gum &amp; Sugarloaf&quot;}--><h2 id="Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf-20240523075100"><span id="Chewing_gum_.26_Sugarloaf"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf-20240523075100"></span>Chewing gum &amp; Sugarloaf<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf-20240523075100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=12" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Chewing gum &amp; Sugarloaf"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Rang_Djambak-20240525050500-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100">5 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf-20240523075100&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Chewing gum &amp; Sugarloaf&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Chewing gum &amp; Sugarloaf&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf"></span>Mohon kasih saran buat: </p> <ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugarloaf" class="extiw" title="en:Sugarloaf">en:Sugarloaf</a> diterjemahkan jadi apa ? Kalo <a href="/wiki/Gula_batu" title="Gula batu">Gula batu</a> udah diinterwikikan ke <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_candy" class="extiw" title="en:Rock candy">en:Rock candy</a> soalnya</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_gum" class="extiw" title="en:Chewing gum">en:Chewing gum</a> diterjemahkan jadi apa ? Kalo <a href="/wiki/Permen_karet" title="Permen karet">permen karet</a> udah diinterwikikan ke <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_gum" class="extiw" title="en:Bubble gum">en:Bubble gum</a> soalnya</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Glorious_Engine" title="Pengguna:Glorious Engine">Glorious Engine</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Glorious_Engine" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Glorious Engine">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23 Mei 2024 07.51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf"><span id="ooui-php-75" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100-Chewing_gum_&amp;_Sugarloaf"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rang_Djambak-20240525050500-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100"></span>Untuk <i>sugarloaf</i> bisa diterjemahkan <b>gula batang</b> karena bentuknya besar. Sedangkan <i>chewing gum</i> bisa <b>permen kunyah</b> karena biasanya dikonsumsi dengan cara dikunyah. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Rang Djambak">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Rang_Djambak-20240525050500-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">25 Mei 2024 05.05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rang_Djambak-20240525050500-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100"><span id="ooui-php-76" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rang_Djambak-20240525050500-Glorious_Engine-20240523075100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-F1fans-20240528150500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama-20240528150500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-F1fans-20240528150500-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Penulisan gelar di depan dan di belakang nama&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Penulisan gelar di depan dan di belakang nama&quot;}--><h2 id="Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama" data-mw-thread-id="h-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama-20240528150500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama-20240528150500"></span>Penulisan gelar di depan dan di belakang nama<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama-20240528150500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=13" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Penulisan gelar di depan dan di belakang nama"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-F1fans-20240528150500-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama">5 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-F1fans-20240528150500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama-20240528150500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-F1fans-20240528150500-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Penulisan gelar di depan dan di belakang nama&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Penulisan gelar di depan dan di belakang nama&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-F1fans-20240528150500-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama"></span>Mohon pendapatnya, untuk penulisan gelar di depan maupun di belakang nama apakah hal tersebut sudah ada ketentuan bakunya di WBI ini atau bebas (dalam artian tidak ditulis pun sebenarnya tidak apa-apa). </p><p>Saya ada rencana memperbaiki artikel <a href="/wiki/Dono_(pelawak)" class="mw-redirect" title="Dono (pelawak)">Dono Warkop</a> karena saya melihat artikel tersebut punya potensi untuk menjadi artikel bagus. Salam. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:F1fans" title="Pengguna:F1fans">F1fans</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:F1fans" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:F1fans">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-F1fans-20240528150500-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">28 Mei 2024 15.05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-F1fans-20240528150500-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama"><span id="ooui-php-77" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-F1fans-20240528150500-Penulisan_gelar_di_depan_dan_di_belakang_nama"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Immurement-20240531095400&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400-Immurement&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Immurement&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Immurement&quot;}--><h2 id="Immurement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Immurement-20240531095400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Immurement-20240531095400"></span>Immurement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Immurement-20240531095400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=14" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Immurement"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Illchy-20240710063000-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400">4 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Immurement-20240531095400&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400-Immurement&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Immurement&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Immurement&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400-Immurement"></span>Ada yang tau padanan yang cocok untuk penerjemahan judul <a href="/wiki/Immurement" class="mw-redirect" title="Immurement">Immurement</a> ? <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Glorious_Engine" title="Pengguna:Glorious Engine">Glorious Engine</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Glorious_Engine" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Glorious Engine">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400-Immurement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">31 Mei 2024 09.54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400-Immurement"><span id="ooui-php-78" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400-Immurement"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hysocc-20240531175600-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Glorious_Engine" title="Pengguna:Glorious Engine">Glorious Engine</a>:</span>, gunakan saja serapannya, <b>imurasi</b>. Sejauh ini saya belum menemukan terjemahannya. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pengguna:Hysocc"><font face="segoe script">Hysocc</font></a><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hysocc"><font face="segoe script">, Let's talk</font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hysocc-20240531175600-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">31 Mei 2024 17.56 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hysocc-20240531175600-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400"><span id="ooui-php-79" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hysocc-20240531175600-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240710062500-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400"></span>Saran saya sih "Kerangkeng mati". Seperti deskripsinya, seseorang dimasukan dalam tempat tertutup hingga mati, bisa dengan tujuan hukuman atau pengorbanan (sacrifice). <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240710062500-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10 Juli 2024 06.25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240710062500-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400"><span id="ooui-php-80" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240710062500-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240710063000-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400"></span>Terjemahan Anda di artikel <a href="/wiki/Imurasi" class="mw-redirect" title="Imurasi">Imurasi</a> itu sudah bagus dibanding dulu dulu. Saya rasa sudah ada kemajuan <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240710063000-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10 Juli 2024 06.30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240710063000-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400"><span id="ooui-php-81" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240710063000-Glorious_Engine-20240531095400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Hysocc-20240608152100&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang-20240608152100&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Hysocc-20240608152100-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;ivory, tusk, dan fang&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;ivory, tusk, dan fang&quot;}--><h2 id="ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang" data-mw-thread-id="h-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang-20240608152100"><span id="ivory.2C_tusk.2C_dan_fang"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang-20240608152100"></span>ivory, tusk, dan fang<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang-20240608152100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=15" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: ivory, tusk, dan fang"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Hariadhi-20240813113200-Rang_Djambak-20240614044800">3 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Hysocc-20240608152100&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang-20240608152100&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Hysocc-20240608152100-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;ivory, tusk, dan fang&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;ivory, tusk, dan fang&quot;}--></div></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hysocc-20240608152100-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang"></span>Status: <span style="background:#CCC;">  </span> <b>Dalam diskusi</b></dd></dl> <p>Jika <i>ivory</i> adalah <a href="/wiki/Gading" title="Gading">gading</a>, </p><p>dan <i>tusk</i> adalah <a href="/wiki/Taring" class="mw-redirect" title="Taring">taring</a>, </p><p>maka <i>fang</i> adalah ...? </p><p>Saya merasa <i>ivory</i> diterjemahkan sebagai gading kurang tepat, karena <i>ivory</i> adalah <i>tusk</i> gajah atau walrus yang telah diukir. </p><p>Untuk itu saya mengusulkan <i>ivory</i> sebagai <a href="/w/index.php?title=Produk_gading&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Produk gading (halaman belum tersedia)">produk gading</a> atau <a href="/w/index.php?title=Gading_sebagai_bahan&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Gading sebagai bahan (halaman belum tersedia)">gading sebagai bahan</a>, </p><p>dan <i>tusk</i> sebagai gading </p><p>dan <i>fang</i> sebagai taring. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pengguna:Hysocc"><font face="segoe script">Hysocc</font></a><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hysocc"><font face="segoe script">, Let's talk</font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hysocc-20240608152100-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">8 Juni 2024 15.21 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hysocc-20240608152100-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang"><span id="ooui-php-82" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hysocc-20240608152100-ivory,_tusk,_dan_fang"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-F1fans-20240611084300-Hysocc-20240608152100"></span>Apa tidak sebaiknya gading dibuat sebagai disambiguasi, lalu baru dibuat gading (produk) atau gading (pengertian lainnya)? <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:F1fans" title="Pengguna:F1fans">F1fans</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:F1fans" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:F1fans">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-F1fans-20240611084300-Hysocc-20240608152100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 Juni 2024 08.43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-F1fans-20240611084300-Hysocc-20240608152100"><span id="ooui-php-83" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-F1fans-20240611084300-Hysocc-20240608152100"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaung_Tebono-20240613154100-F1fans-20240611084300"></span>bung @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:F1fans" title="Pengguna:F1fans">F1fans</a> @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hysocc" title="Pengguna:Hysocc">Hysocc</a>, saran saya mending halaman tersebut jika memiliki judul yang sama dibedakan dengan cara menambah embel-embel (dalam kurung) agar tidak membingungkan, nama halaman yang sama sebaiknya dibuat halaman disambiguasi. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Gaung_Tebono" title="Pengguna:Gaung Tebono">Gaung Tebono</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Gaung_Tebono" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Gaung Tebono">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Gaung_Tebono-20240613154100-F1fans-20240611084300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13 Juni 2024 15.41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaung_Tebono-20240613154100-F1fans-20240611084300"><span id="ooui-php-84" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaung_Tebono-20240613154100-F1fans-20240611084300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rang_Djambak-20240614044800-Hysocc-20240608152100"></span>Setuju dengan pendapat Anda, Bung. <i>Ivory</i> diterjemahkan saja menjadi <b>produk gading</b>. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pengguna:Rang Djambak">Rang Djambak</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Rang_Djambak" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Rang Djambak">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Rang_Djambak-20240614044800-Hysocc-20240608152100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14 Juni 2024 04.48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rang_Djambak-20240614044800-Hysocc-20240608152100"><span id="ooui-php-85" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rang_Djambak-20240614044800-Hysocc-20240608152100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hariadhi-20240813113200-Rang_Djambak-20240614044800"></span>Tusk dan gading harusnya punya arti sama. Taring gunanya merobek makanan, sementara tusk dan gading untuk perlindungan diri atau merusak/memindah objek yang bukan merupakan makanan <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a> - <sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hariadhi">Ngobrol</a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hariadhi-20240813113200-Rang_Djambak-20240614044800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13 Agustus 2024 11.32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hariadhi-20240813113200-Rang_Djambak-20240614044800"><span id="ooui-php-86" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hariadhi-20240813113200-Rang_Djambak-20240614044800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Scene_dan_cover-20240620105100&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100-Scene_dan_cover&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Scene dan cover&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Scene dan cover&quot;}--><h2 id="Scene_dan_cover" data-mw-thread-id="h-Scene_dan_cover-20240620105100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Scene_dan_cover-20240620105100"></span><i>Scene</i> dan <i>cover</i><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Scene_dan_cover-20240620105100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=16" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Scene dan cover"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-PinkDash-20240707124000-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300">4 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>11 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Scene_dan_cover-20240620105100&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100-Scene_dan_cover&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Scene dan cover&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Scene dan cover&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100-Scene_dan_cover"></span>Apa padanan kata untuk <i>scene</i> dan <i>cover</i>? Jika Anda menemukan padanan katanya, silakan berikan rujukan dari <a href="/wiki/KBBI" class="mw-redirect" title="KBBI">KBBI</a>. Terima kasih. <span style="font-family:times;text-shadow:0 0 .5em #7af"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">Serigala Sumatera 🐺🏍️</a></span> <sup><sub><span style="color:#0000FF;">(<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">diskusi nang kene☕</a>)</span></sub></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100-Scene_dan_cover" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Juni 2024 10.51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100-Scene_dan_cover"><span id="ooui-php-87" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100-Scene_dan_cover"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neocorelight-20240622233000-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100"></span>Dalam konteks apa? Kan ada beberapa artian dari masing-masing kata tersebut. Apakah dalam konteks musik? <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Neocorelight" title="Pengguna:Neocorelight">Neocorelight</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Neocorelight" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Neocorelight">pesan</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Neocorelight-20240622233000-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22 Juni 2024 23.30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neocorelight-20240622233000-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100"><span id="ooui-php-88" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neocorelight-20240622233000-Serigala_Sumatera-20240620105100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700-Neocorelight-20240622233000"></span>"<i>scene</i>"" mengacu pada sebuah gim video, dan "<i>cover</i>" mengacu pada seseorang yang menyanyikan lagu yang pembuat orisinalnya (dari lagunya) bukan dirinya. <span style="font-family:times;text-shadow:0 0 .5em #7af"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">Serigala Sumatera 🐺🏍️</a></span> <sup><sub><span style="color:#0000FF;">(<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">diskusi nang kene☕</a>)</span></sub></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700-Neocorelight-20240622233000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23 Juni 2024 00.47 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700-Neocorelight-20240622233000"><span id="ooui-php-89" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700-Neocorelight-20240622233000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240623144800-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700"></span>kalau menurut saya, <i>scene</i> itu bisa berati adegan dalam sebuah momen di dalam permainan. kalau <i>cover</i> kayaknya tiruan harusnya. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240623144800-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23 Juni 2024 14.48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240623144800-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700"><span id="ooui-php-90" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240623144800-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600-PinkDash-20240623144800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash">PinkDash</a>: <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Smiley_green_alien_geek_oh.svg/28px-Smiley_green_alien_geek_oh.svg.png" decoding="async" width="28" height="35" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Smiley_green_alien_geek_oh.svg/42px-Smiley_green_alien_geek_oh.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Smiley_green_alien_geek_oh.svg/56px-Smiley_green_alien_geek_oh.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="39" data-file-height="49"/></span></span> <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="OK"><img alt="OK" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Symbol_OK.svg/18px-Symbol_OK.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Symbol_OK.svg/27px-Symbol_OK.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Symbol_OK.svg/36px-Symbol_OK.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="744" data-file-height="744"/></span></span> <b>OK</b> <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span> <b>Terima kasih</b></span> <span style="font-family:times;text-shadow:0 0 .5em #7af"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">Serigala Sumatera 🐺🏍️</a></span> <sup><sub><span style="color:#0000FF;">(<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">diskusi nang kene☕</a>)</span></sub></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600-PinkDash-20240623144800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 Juni 2024 09.06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600-PinkDash-20240623144800"><span id="ooui-php-91" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600-PinkDash-20240623144800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neocorelight-20240624112300-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600"></span>Saya gak tau padanan <i>cover</i> music dalam bahasa Indonesia. Kalau "tiruan" saya ragu, karena gak pernah ketemu presedennya. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Neocorelight" title="Pengguna:Neocorelight">Neocorelight</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Neocorelight" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Neocorelight">pesan</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Neocorelight-20240624112300-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 Juni 2024 11.23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neocorelight-20240624112300-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600"><span id="ooui-php-92" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neocorelight-20240624112300-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neocorelight-20240624112400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600"></span>Kalau di artikel-artikel berita ya tetap menggunakan kata <i>cover</i>. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Neocorelight" title="Pengguna:Neocorelight">Neocorelight</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Neocorelight" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Neocorelight">pesan</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Neocorelight-20240624112400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 Juni 2024 11.24 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neocorelight-20240624112400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600"><span id="ooui-php-93" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neocorelight-20240624112400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240624090600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Henri_Aja-20240624113400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700"></span>Sependapat dengan Bung <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pengguna:Pinkash">Pinkash</a></span>, mengenai <i>scene</i> dalam permainan video, dapat berarti adegan. Sementara untuk <i>cover</i> (musik), mungkin yang dimaksud adalah <a href="/wiki/Versi_kover" title="Versi kover">Versi kover</a>. Salam. <span style="font-family:Candara"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Henri_Aja" title="Pengguna:Henri Aja">🅷🅴🅽🆁🅸</a><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Henri_Aja" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Henri Aja"><font style="text-shadow: 2px 5px 2px #7A7A7A;"> <small><sup><b>ngopi lur?</b></sup></small> ✉</font></a></span> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Henri_Aja-20240624113400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 Juni 2024 11.34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Henri_Aja-20240624113400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700"><span id="ooui-php-94" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Henri_Aja-20240624113400-Serigala_Sumatera-20240623004700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300-Henri_Aja-20240624113400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Henri_Aja" title="Pengguna:Henri Aja">Henri Aja</a> berarti cover dalam sebuah lagu disebut juga lagu daur ulang ya <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Badak Jawa">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300-Henri_Aja-20240624113400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 Juni 2024 11.43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300-Henri_Aja-20240624113400"><span id="ooui-php-95" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300-Henri_Aja-20240624113400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Henri_Aja-20240624115000-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300"></span>Benar, judul aslinya memang <a href="/wiki/Daur_ulang_(musik)" class="mw-redirect" title="Daur ulang (musik)">Daur ulang (musik)</a>. Dalam beberapa artikel musik yang saya kembangkan, juga memakai istilah ini. <span style="font-family:Candara"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Henri_Aja" title="Pengguna:Henri Aja">🅷🅴🅽🆁🅸</a><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Henri_Aja" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Henri Aja"><font style="text-shadow: 2px 5px 2px #7A7A7A;"> <small><sup><b>ngopi lur?</b></sup></small> ✉</font></a></span> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Henri_Aja-20240624115000-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 Juni 2024 11.50 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Henri_Aja-20240624115000-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300"><span id="ooui-php-96" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Henri_Aja-20240624115000-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240707124000-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300"></span>ahhh aku baru tahu kalau <i>cover</i> yang harusnya mungkin sebuah <b>tiruan</b>, tetapi diartikan sebagai <b>daur ulang</b> haha <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240707124000-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">7 Juli 2024 12.40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240707124000-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300"><span id="ooui-php-97" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240707124000-Badak_Jawa-20240624114300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Illchy-20240711052300&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar-20240711052300&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Illchy-20240711052300-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Bahasa Burma vs Bahasa Myanmar&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Bahasa Burma vs Bahasa Myanmar&quot;}--><h2 id="Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar-20240711052300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar-20240711052300"></span><a href="/wiki/Bahasa_Burma" title="Bahasa Burma">Bahasa Burma</a> vs Bahasa Myanmar<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar-20240711052300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=17" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Bahasa Burma vs Bahasa Myanmar"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-PinkDash-20240717150700-Illchy-20240713064900">4 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Illchy-20240711052300&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar-20240711052300&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Illchy-20240711052300-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Bahasa Burma vs Bahasa Myanmar&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Bahasa Burma vs Bahasa Myanmar&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240711052300-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar"></span>Kira-kira mana nama yang cocok untuk menyebut bahasa resmi di negara Myanmar itu?? Baik Burma atau Myanmar keduanya merujuk pada nama entitas politik, bukan nama suku (setidaknya secara etimologis), kalo nama suku mayoritasnya adalah Bamar. Nama Burma dan Myanmar keduanya berakar dari nama suku Bamar. Dalam bahasa Inggris nama resmi bahasa ini adalah <b>Myanmar language</b>, tapi secara umum masyarakat berbahasa Inggris masih menyebutnya <i>Burmese</i> karena negara ini dimerdekakan dengan nama Burma. Sedangkan masyarakat Indonesia lebih mengenal negara ini sebagai Myanmar daripada Burma, saya rasa. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240711052300-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 Juli 2024 05.23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240711052300-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar"><span id="ooui-php-98" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240711052300-Bahasa_Burma_vs_Bahasa_Myanmar"></span> </p> <dl><dd><i><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240711054100-Illchy-20240711052300"></span>Tambahan</b></i>: Di halaman KBRI tertulis "<i>Sebagian besar menggunakan bahasa Myanmar (Bamar) dan terdapat etnis minoritas yang berbicara bahasa Chin, Kachin, Kayin, Shan dan keseluruhan 135 dialek kelompok etnis serta imigran Cina dan India yang berbahasa Kanton, Mandarin, Hindustani dan Urdu.</i>" <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://kemlu.go.id/yangon/id/read/profil-myanmar/1739/etc-menu">cek di sini</a> - <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240711054100-Illchy-20240711052300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 Juli 2024 05.41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240711054100-Illchy-20240711052300"><span id="ooui-php-99" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240711054100-Illchy-20240711052300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240711084200-Illchy-20240711052300"></span>Kalau menurut aku sih, lebih baik bahasa Burma daripada Myanmar. karena anggaplah Papua Newguenia yang memakai bahasa Indonesia daripada memakai bahasa daerah Papua itu sendiri. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240711084200-Illchy-20240711052300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 Juli 2024 08.42 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240711084200-Illchy-20240711052300"><span id="ooui-php-100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240711084200-Illchy-20240711052300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240713064900-PinkDash-20240711084200"></span>Analogi Anda tidak nyambung. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240713064900-PinkDash-20240711084200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13 Juli 2024 06.49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240713064900-PinkDash-20240711084200"><span id="ooui-php-101" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240713064900-PinkDash-20240711084200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240717150700-Illchy-20240713064900"></span>yah aku berusaha membantu sih, kalau misalnya analogi saya tidak tepat, dapat dijawab oleh yang lain <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240717150700-Illchy-20240713064900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17 Juli 2024 15.07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240717150700-Illchy-20240713064900"><span id="ooui-php-102" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240717150700-Illchy-20240713064900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Fazoffic-20240711113500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-TBA-20240711113500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Fazoffic-20240711113500-TBA&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;TBA&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;TBA&quot;}--><h2 id="TBA" data-mw-thread-id="h-TBA-20240711113500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-TBA-20240711113500"></span>TBA<span data-mw-comment-end="h-TBA-20240711113500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=18" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: TBA"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240728152600-PinkDash-20240717150600">3 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>6 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>6 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Fazoffic-20240711113500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-TBA-20240711113500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Fazoffic-20240711113500-TBA&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;TBA&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;TBA&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazoffic-20240711113500-TBA"></span>Adakah padanan untuk <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_be_announced" class="extiw" title="en:To be announced">en:To be announced</a> dalam bahasa Indonesia secara resmi, disamping terjemahan harfiah "akan diumumkan"? Terima kasih. ▪ <span style="font-size:85%;"><sup>꧋<a href="/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/Fazoffic" title="Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/Fazoffic">ꦩꦣꦪ.</a></sup></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span></a></b><sub> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#0055FF;"> ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Fazoffic-20240711113500-TBA" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 Juli 2024 11.35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazoffic-20240711113500-TBA"><span id="ooui-php-103" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazoffic-20240711113500-TBA"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Wadie_Fisher-Freberg-20240712023000-Fazoffic-20240711113500"></span>"Pengumuman menyusul"? <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:David_Wadie_Fisher-Freberg" title="Pengguna:David Wadie Fisher-Freberg">dwadieff</a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:David_Wadie_Fisher-Freberg" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:David Wadie Fisher-Freberg">✉</a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-David_Wadie_Fisher-Freberg-20240712023000-Fazoffic-20240711113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12 Juli 2024 02.30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Wadie_Fisher-Freberg-20240712023000-Fazoffic-20240711113500"><span id="ooui-php-104" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Wadie_Fisher-Freberg-20240712023000-Fazoffic-20240711113500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Henri_Aja-20240712034500-Fazoffic-20240711113500"></span>"Menanti pengumuman?" atau "menanti pemberitahuan"? <span style="font-family:Candara"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Henri_Aja" title="Pengguna:Henri Aja">🅷🅴🅽🆁🅸</a><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Henri_Aja" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Henri Aja"><font style="text-shadow: 2px 5px 2px #7A7A7A;"> <small><sup><b>ngopi lur?</b></sup></small> ✉</font></a></span> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Henri_Aja-20240712034500-Fazoffic-20240711113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12 Juli 2024 03.45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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id="c-Illchy-20240713064600-Fazoffic-20240711113500"></span>"Menunggu pengumuman" atau "Belum diumumkan" — <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240713064600-Fazoffic-20240711113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13 Juli 2024 06.46 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240713064600-Fazoffic-20240711113500"><span id="ooui-php-106" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240713064600-Fazoffic-20240711113500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240717150600-Fazoffic-20240711113500"></span>"Akan diumumkan"? <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240717150600-Fazoffic-20240711113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17 Juli 2024 15.06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240717150600-Fazoffic-20240711113500"><span id="ooui-php-107" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240717150600-Fazoffic-20240711113500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240728152600-PinkDash-20240717150600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic">Fazoffic</a>: "Pengumuman menyusul" atau "pemberitahuan menyusul". <span style="font-family:times;text-shadow:0 0 .5em #7af"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">Serigala Sumatera 🐺🏍️</a></span> <sup><sub><span style="color:#0000FF;">(<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">diskusi nang kene☕</a>)</span></sub></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240728152600-PinkDash-20240717150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">28 Juli 2024 15.26 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240728152600-PinkDash-20240717150600"><span id="ooui-php-108" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240728152600-PinkDash-20240717150600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Illchy-20240714101900&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif-20240714101900&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Illchy-20240714101900-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Pembagian administratif vs Wilayah administratif&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Pembagian administratif vs Wilayah administratif&quot;}--><h2 id="Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif-20240714101900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif-20240714101900"></span><a href="/wiki/Pembagian_administratif" title="Pembagian administratif">Pembagian administratif</a> vs Wilayah administratif<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif-20240714101900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=19" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Pembagian administratif vs Wilayah administratif"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Illchy-20240714101900-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif">4 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Illchy-20240714101900&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif-20240714101900&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Illchy-20240714101900-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Pembagian administratif vs Wilayah administratif&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Pembagian administratif vs Wilayah administratif&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240714101900-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif"></span>Menurut KBBI, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/entri/Wilayah%20administratif">Wilayah administratif</a> adalah sebuah entri, sedangkan Pembagian administratif tidak ada. Kalau bisa sih dikonsensuskan kita pindahkan semua "Pembagian administratif [xxx]" ke "Wilayah administratif [xxx]" — <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240714101900-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14 Juli 2024 10.19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240714101900-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif"><span id="ooui-php-109" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240714101900-Pembagian_administratif_vs_Wilayah_administratif"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-182.4.102.140-20240731162300&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Etimologi_dari_\&quot;argometer\&quot;-20240731162300&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-182.4.102.140-20240731162300-Etimologi_dari_\&quot;argometer\&quot;&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Etimologi dari \&quot;argometer\&quot;&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Etimologi dari \&quot;argometer\&quot;&quot;}--><h2 id="Etimologi_dari_&quot;argometer&quot;" data-mw-thread-id="h-Etimologi_dari_&quot;argometer&quot;-20240731162300"><span id="Etimologi_dari_.22argometer.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Etimologi_dari_&quot;argometer&quot;-20240731162300"></span>Etimologi dari "argometer"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Etimologi_dari_&quot;argometer&quot;-20240731162300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=20" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Etimologi dari &quot;argometer&quot;"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Illchy-20240801103500-182.4.102.140-20240731162300">3 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-182.4.102.140-20240731162300&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Etimologi_dari_\&quot;argometer\&quot;-20240731162300&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-182.4.102.140-20240731162300-Etimologi_dari_\&quot;argometer\&quot;&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Etimologi dari \&quot;argometer\&quot;&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Etimologi dari \&quot;argometer\&quot;&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-182.4.102.140-20240731162300-Etimologi_dari_&quot;argometer&quot;"></span>Ada yang tahu etimologi dari kata "<a href="https://id.wiktionary.org/wiki/id:argometer" class="extiw" title="wikt:id:argometer">argometer</a>"? Saya cari di berbagai kamus bahasa Indonesia di Internet tidak membuahkan hasil, saya tanya ChatGPT jawabnya dari "aargometer" bahasa Belanda tetapi saya cari "aargometer" dan "argometer" dalam kamus Belanda hasilnya nihil (sangat meragukan), saya cari "argometer" dan "aargometer" di Google hasilnya bahasa Indonesia semua (berarti tidak ada kata sama dalam bahasa lain termasuk Belanda). Terima kasih atas perhatian dan jawabannya. <a href="/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/182.4.102.140" title="Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/182.4.102.140">182.4.102.140</a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-182.4.102.140-20240731162300-Etimologi_dari_&quot;argometer&quot;" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">31 Juli 2024 16.23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-182.4.102.140-20240731162300-Etimologi_dari_&quot;argometer&quot;"><span id="ooui-php-110" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-182.4.102.140-20240731162300-Etimologi_dari_&quot;argometer&quot;"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240801103500-182.4.102.140-20240731162300"></span>Memangnya untuk apa ada etimologi. Mayoritas kata di bahasa Indonesia asal-usulnya tidak jelas, karna tidak terdokumentasikan <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240801103500-182.4.102.140-20240731162300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">1 Agustus 2024 10.35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240801103500-182.4.102.140-20240731162300"><span id="ooui-php-111" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240801103500-182.4.102.140-20240731162300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Illchy-20240804091400&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral-20240804091400&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Illchy-20240804091400-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral&quot;,&quot;c-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral&quot;,&quot;c-Medelam-20240805010500-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Penamaan hubungan bilateral&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Penamaan hubungan bilateral&quot;}--><h2 id="Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral" data-mw-thread-id="h-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral-20240804091400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral-20240804091400"></span>Penamaan hubungan bilateral<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral-20240804091400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=21" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Penamaan hubungan bilateral"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Fazoffic-20240811134900-Fazoffic-20240811134100">3 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>12 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>6 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Illchy-20240804091400&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral-20240804091400&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Illchy-20240804091400-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral&quot;,&quot;c-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral&quot;,&quot;c-Medelam-20240805010500-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Penamaan hubungan bilateral&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Penamaan hubungan bilateral&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240804091400-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral"></span>Sepertinya format <b>Hubungan [nama negara] dengan [nama negara]</b> harus diubah menjadi <b>Hubungan [nama negara]-[nama negara]</b>, semisal dalam <i><b><a href="/wiki/Hubungan_Indonesia_dengan_Malaysia" title="Hubungan Indonesia dengan Malaysia">Hubungan Indonesia dengan Malaysia</a></b></i> kita ubah menjadi <i><b><a href="/wiki/Hubungan_Indonesia-Malaysia" class="mw-redirect" title="Hubungan Indonesia-Malaysia">Hubungan Indonesia-Malaysia</a></b></i>. Untuk apa? Konsistensi. Ini akan seragam dengan format artikel lain yang juga melibatkan nama dua negara. Semisal <b>Perang [nama negara]-[nama negara]</b>, atau <b>Konflik [nama negara]-[nama negara]</b>, semisal dalam <i><b><a href="/wiki/Perang_Rusia-Ukraina" class="mw-redirect" title="Perang Rusia-Ukraina">Perang Rusia-Ukraina</a></b></i>, yang tidak ditulis sebagai <i><b><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perang_Rusia_dengan_Ukraina&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Perang Rusia dengan Ukraina (halaman belum tersedia)">Perang Rusia dengan Ukraina</a></b></i> ataupun <i><b><a href="/w/index.php?title=Perang_Rusia_melawan_Ukraina&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Perang Rusia melawan Ukraina (halaman belum tersedia)">Perang Rusia melawan Ukraina</a></b></i>. Juga jika menggunakan tanda hubung (-) akan lebih menghemat <i>space</i> di judul artikel agar tidak kepanjangan. Jika disetujui saya bersedia mengubah semua halaman tersebut beserta kategorinya meskipun sangat masif. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240804091400-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">4 Agustus 2024 09.14 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240804091400-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral"><span id="ooui-php-112" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240804091400-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Agus_Damanik-20240805064300-Illchy-20240804091400"></span>Tidak efektif dan malah menimbulkan masalah meskipun dalam jumlah kecil, tapi tetap masalah. Gunakan saja yang sudah ada <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pengguna:Agus Damanik">Agus Damanik</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Agus_Damanik-20240805064300-Illchy-20240804091400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">5 Agustus 2024 06.43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Agus_Damanik-20240805064300-Illchy-20240804091400"><span id="ooui-php-113" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Agus_Damanik-20240805064300-Illchy-20240804091400"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral"></span>Kalo pake tanda hubung (-) nanti bersinggungan pada masalah lain, misalnya dengan nama negara yang pakai tanda hubung, contoh <a href="/wiki/Guinea-Bissau" title="Guinea-Bissau">Guinea-Bissau</a>, nanti malah jadinya <a href="/w/index.php?title=Hubungan_Guinea-Bissau-Indonesia&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Hubungan Guinea-Bissau-Indonesia (halaman belum tersedia)">Hubungan Guinea-Bissau-Indonesia</a> alih-alih <a href="/w/index.php?title=Hubungan_Guinea-Bissau_dengan_Indonesia&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Hubungan Guinea-Bissau dengan Indonesia (halaman belum tersedia)">Hubungan Guinea-Bissau dengan Indonesia</a>, kan aneh tuh. Tolong pikirkan itu. --<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Glorious_Engine" title="Pengguna:Glorious Engine">Glorious Engine</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Glorious_Engine" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Glorious Engine">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">4 Agustus 2024 09.26 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral"><span id="ooui-php-114" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240804141300-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600"></span>Ya gapapa, toh sedikit negara yg pakai tanda hubung. Bikin bingung dikit gak ngaruh lah <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240804141300-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">4 Agustus 2024 14.13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240804141300-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600"><span id="ooui-php-115" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240804141300-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zulf-20240804154600-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600"></span>contoh antara keduanya tergantung pada konteks sih jadi tidak semua harus atau perlu. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:9pt 0;padding:3px 7px;background:linear-gradient(to bottom right, blue,#00FF7F)"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pengguna:Zulf"><span style="color:#fff;font:1em Lucida Sans">🍃Zulf🍃</span></a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Zulf"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Zulf-20240804154600-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">4 Agustus 2024 15.46 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zulf-20240804154600-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600"><span id="ooui-php-116" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zulf-20240804154600-Glorious_Engine-20240804092600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240804160500-Zulf-20240804154600"></span>Maaf, bisa Anda lebih spesifik, apa maksudnya <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240804160500-Zulf-20240804154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">4 Agustus 2024 16.05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240804160500-Zulf-20240804154600"><span id="ooui-php-117" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240804160500-Zulf-20240804154600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Medelam-20240805010500-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral"></span>Pemisahan dengan kata dengan membuat penamaan artikel jauh lebih jelas. Menghemat space? Sejak kapan penamaan artikel mencari judul sependek mungkin? <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pengguna:Medelam">Medelam</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Medelam">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Medelam-20240805010500-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">5 Agustus 2024 01.05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Medelam-20240805010500-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral"><span id="ooui-php-118" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Medelam-20240805010500-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Medelam-20240805011300-Medelam-20240805010500"></span>"Bikin bingung dikit gak ngaruh lah". Argumen yang mengada-ada. Sejak 2020 sudah ada diskusi juga tentang hal serupa dan tidak ada yang merasa bahwa kata hubung 'dengan' harus diubah menjadi tanda pisah, lihat <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/2020" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020">Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bahasa)/Arsip/2020</a>. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pengguna:Medelam">Medelam</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Medelam" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Medelam">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Medelam-20240805011300-Medelam-20240805010500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">5 Agustus 2024 01.13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Medelam-20240805011300-Medelam-20240805010500"><span id="ooui-php-119" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Medelam-20240805011300-Medelam-20240805010500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240805141500-Medelam-20240805010500"></span>Iya biasa aja dong gak usah ngajak gelud nadanya <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240805141500-Medelam-20240805010500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">5 Agustus 2024 14.15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240805141500-Medelam-20240805010500"><span id="ooui-php-120" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240805141500-Medelam-20240805010500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zulf-20240805145400-Illchy-20240805141500"></span>hmm 🥱 <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:9pt 0;padding:3px 7px;background:linear-gradient(to bottom right, blue,#00FF7F)"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pengguna:Zulf"><span style="color:#fff;font:1em Lucida Sans">🍃Zulf🍃</span></a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Zulf"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Zulf-20240805145400-Illchy-20240805141500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">5 Agustus 2024 14.54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zulf-20240805145400-Illchy-20240805141500"><span id="ooui-php-121" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zulf-20240805145400-Illchy-20240805141500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazoffic-20240811134100-Medelam-20240805010500"></span>Saya kira memakai "dengan" akan lebih baik. Karena menghindari keambiguan. Contoh nih: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea-Bissau%E2%80%93United_States_relations" class="extiw" title="en:Guinea-Bissau–United States relations">en:Guinea-Bissau–United States relations</a>, kan terkesan memakai tanda ganda, walaupun salah satunya adalah <a href="/wiki/Tanda_hubung" title="Tanda hubung">tanda hubung</a> (-) dan lainnya adalah <a href="/wiki/Tanda_pisah" title="Tanda pisah">tanda pisah</a> (–). Tapi ya namanya mata siwer kan, lagipula tidak semua device memiliki tombol untuk tanda pisah di <i>keyboard</i>-nya. ▪ <span style="font-size:85%;"><sup>꧋<a href="/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/Fazoffic" title="Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/Fazoffic">ꦩꦣꦪ.</a></sup></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span></a></b><sub> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#0055FF;"> ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Fazoffic-20240811134100-Medelam-20240805010500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 Agustus 2024 13.41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazoffic-20240811134100-Medelam-20240805010500"><span id="ooui-php-122" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazoffic-20240811134100-Medelam-20240805010500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazoffic-20240811134900-Fazoffic-20240811134100"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r21477316">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 40px}.mw-parser-output .templatequote .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;padding-left:1.6em;margin-top:0}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><p><span class="example good-example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: #006400;">"akan lebih menghemat space di judul artikel agar tidak kepanjangan."</span></p><div class="templatequotecite">— <cite><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#c-Illchy-20240804091400-Penamaan_hubungan_bilateral">WKB-20240804091400</a></cite></div></blockquote></dd> <dd>Bruh ... artikel <a href="/wiki/Lopado%C2%ADtemacho%C2%ADselacho%C2%ADgaleo%C2%ADkranio%C2%ADleipsano%C2%ADdrim%C2%ADhypo%C2%ADtrimmato%C2%ADsilphio%C2%ADkarabo%C2%ADmelito%C2%ADkatakechy%C2%ADmeno%C2%ADkichl%C2%ADepi%C2%ADkossypho%C2%ADphatto%C2%ADperister%C2%ADalektryon%C2%ADopte%C2%ADkephallio%C2%ADkigklo%C2%ADpeleio%C2%ADlagoio%C2%ADsiraio%C2%ADbaphe%C2%ADtragano%C2%ADpterygon" title="Lopado­temacho­selacho­galeo­kranio­leipsano­drim­hypo­trimmato­silphio­karabo­melito­katakechy­meno­kichl­epi­kossypho­phatto­perister­alektryon­opte­kephallio­kigklo­peleio­lagoio­siraio­baphe­tragano­pterygon">Lopado­temacho­selacho­galeo­kranio­leipsano­drim­hypo­trimmato­silphio­karabo­melito­katakechy­meno­kichl­epi­kossypho­phatto­perister­alektryon­opte­kephallio­kigklo­peleio­lagoio­siraio­baphe­tragano­pterygon</a> atau <a href="/wiki/Cneoridium_dumosum_(Nuttall)_Hooker_F._Collected_March_26,_1960,_at_an_Elevation_of_about_1450_Meters_on_Cerro_Quemaz%C3%B3n,_15_Miles_South_of_Bah%C3%ADa_de_Los_Angeles,_Baja_California,_M%C3%A9xico,_Apparently_for_a_Southeastward_Range_Extension_of_Some_140_Miles" title="Cneoridium dumosum (Nuttall) Hooker F. Collected March 26, 1960, at an Elevation of about 1450 Meters on Cerro Quemazón, 15 Miles South of Bahía de Los Angeles, Baja California, México, Apparently for a Southeastward Range Extension of Some 140 Miles">Cneoridium dumosum (Nuttall) Hooker F. Collected March 26, 1960, at an Elevation of about 1450 Meters on Cerro Quemazón, 15 Miles South of Bahía de Los Angeles, Baja California, México, Apparently for a Southeastward Range Extension of Some 140 Miles</a> apa kabar bung? ▪ <span style="font-size:85%;"><sup>꧋<a href="/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/Fazoffic" title="Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/Fazoffic">ꦩꦣꦪ.</a></sup></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span></a></b><sub> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Fazoffic" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazoffic"><span style="color:#0055FF;"> ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Fazoffic-20240811134900-Fazoffic-20240811134100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 Agustus 2024 13.49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazoffic-20240811134900-Fazoffic-20240811134100"><span id="ooui-php-123" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazoffic-20240811134900-Fazoffic-20240811134100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Live_streaming-20240813152300&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300-Live_streaming&quot;,&quot;c-Gombang-20240821030100-Live_streaming&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Live streaming&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Live streaming&quot;}--><h2 id="Live_streaming" data-mw-thread-id="h-Live_streaming-20240813152300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Live_streaming-20240813152300"></span>Live streaming<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Live_streaming-20240813152300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=22" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Live streaming"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-PinkDash-20240902063400-Gombang-20240821030100">2 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>43 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>10 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Live_streaming-20240813152300&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300-Live_streaming&quot;,&quot;c-Gombang-20240821030100-Live_streaming&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Live streaming&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Live streaming&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300-Live_streaming"></span>Sebetulnya <a class="external text" href="https://id.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)/Arsip/Oktober_2009#Streaming">pernah dibahas</a> oleh para sesepuh di sini, 15 tahun lalu. Belakangan saya angkat kembali karena melihat <a href="/wiki/Neologisme" title="Neologisme">neologisme</a> berbau riset asli yang dipraktikkan sejumlah akun (lihat <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Usulan)#Tanggapan_terhadap_riset_asli:_Gejala_&quot;pemurnian_bahasa&quot;_di_WBI" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Usulan)">obrolan</a>). </p><p>Intinya, saya berdiskusi dengan @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> dan @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pengguna:Agus Damanik">Agus Damanik</a> di artikel <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pembicaraan:Penjaliran_langsung&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pembicaraan:Penjaliran langsung (halaman belum tersedia)"><i>live streaming</i></a>, tapi tidak menemukan titik temu. Kami punya argumen masing-masing. </p> <ul><li>Menurut saya, padanan yang tepat adalah: <b>alir langsung</b>; <b>aliran langsung</b>. Ini sesuai dengan pedoman istilah asing keluaran <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pasti.kemdikbud.go.id/istilah_listdet.php?id=150875&amp;char=L&amp;page=77">Badan Bahasa</a>. Praktisi bahasa dan senior kita Uda <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://x.com/ivanlanin/status/898163952571383811">Ivan Lanin</a> juga secara konsisten menulis hal serupa di WBI, X, dan Medium.</li> <li>Namun menurut pengguna lain di atas: <b>penjaliran langsung</b> (jaringan + alir?). Saya tidak sependapat. Pengusul, Sdr. Aleirezkiette, tidak dapat memberikan sumber tertulis yang otoritatif selain riset asli. Beliau sendiri kerap mengganti judul artikel dengan istilah neologis (negasi <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>), tanpa diskusi dan tanpa sumber memadai, juga memperlakukan entri artikel layaknya Warung Kopi—sebagai penampung usul istilah "baru".</li></ul> <p>Jadi maksud saya, Badan Bahasa kan sudah memadankan <i>live streaming</i> dengan alir/aliran langsung. Mengapa WBI harus pakai istilah yang tidak lazim macam <i>penjaliran</i>? Beberapa artikel bertema <i>live streaming</i> diganti begitu saja padanannya ke penjaliran tanpa melihat sumber resmi—Badan Bahasa. Mohon pendapatnya dari sobat WBI yang budiman, supaya ada konsensus😄 — <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><i><b>Dosham</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><font color="green"><sup><i>mari bicara</i></sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300-Live_streaming" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13 Agustus 2024 15.23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300-Live_streaming"><span id="ooui-php-124" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300-Live_streaming"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zulf-20240813160100-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span>agak cukup asing ya kata "penjaliran" itu. dari log cukup banyak di pindahkan, dan <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Bebasnama" title="Pengguna:Bebasnama">Bebasnama</a> yang pertama memindahkan ke penjaliran. Mungkin bisa diskusi lebih lanjut. Karena keterbatasan saya jadi saya masih pelajari. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:9pt 0;padding:3px 7px;background:linear-gradient(to bottom right, blue,#00FF7F)"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pengguna:Zulf"><span style="color:#fff;font:1em Lucida Sans">🍃Zulf🍃</span></a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Zulf"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Zulf-20240813160100-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13 Agustus 2024 16.01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zulf-20240813160100-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"><span id="ooui-php-125" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zulf-20240813160100-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240813234600-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span>Yah, pendapat orang lain memang beda beda. Tapi coba kita uji kata "aliran langsung" sebagai live streaming. Dia sedang streaming di kalan youtubenya --> Dia sedang aliran di kanal youtubenya. Terlihat aneh bukan ? Kata tersebut harus terikat dengan kata "langsung", berbeda dengan bahasa inggris yang cukup pakai kata "streaming" tanpa "live". <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240813234600-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13 Agustus 2024 23.46 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240813234600-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"><span id="ooui-php-126" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240813234600-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240814013800-Aleirezkiette-20240813234600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a>: Sebelumnya maaf ada sedikit saran, mulai sekarang kalau mau menambahkan istilah-istilah "baru", diskusikan di forum ini dulu (buka topik baru). Entri artikel bukanlah warung kopi—untuk menampung usulan istilah baru. Memang prosesnya jadi lebih lama tapi dengan diskusi bisa mencegah protes pengguna lain. Plus bisa diuji bersama mana yang sumbernya paling masuk akal. Oke, di atas Anda memberi contoh kalimat tapi kurang tepat. Jangan pakai nomina dong, tapi verba supaya tidak aneh. Contoh yang betul: "dia sedang <b>mengalir</b> di kanal YouTube-nya." Seperti halnya <b>mengudara</b> dalam konteks siaran radio atau televisi. Badan Bahasa kalau membuat padanan pasti sudah dipikirkan turunannya. Tidak terasa aneh sama sekali.</dd> <dd>— — —</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pengguna:Zulf">Zulf</a>: terima kasih penelusurannya. Memang itu riset asli, tidak ada di mana-mana. Ybs. beralasan "di Google banyak yang pakai". Bukan argumen yang kuat karena saya sudah cari dan tidak ada yang terkait <i>streaming</i>. Yang ada hanya Penjaliran sebagai nama pulau di Kep. Seribu. — <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><i><b>Dosham</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><font color="green"><sup><i>mari bicara</i></sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240814013800-Aleirezkiette-20240813234600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14 Agustus 2024 01.38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240814013800-Aleirezkiette-20240813234600"><span id="ooui-php-127" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240814013800-Aleirezkiette-20240813234600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240814040000-Dodo_Shamal-20240814013800"></span>Dia sedang mengalir di kanal YouTube-nya. Maaf, masih terlihat aneh <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240814040000-Dodo_Shamal-20240814013800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14 Agustus 2024 04.00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240814040000-Dodo_Shamal-20240814013800"><span id="ooui-php-128" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240814040000-Dodo_Shamal-20240814013800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240814053400-Aleirezkiette-20240814040000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a>: Aneh itu ukurannya apa? <i>Penjaliran</i> yang begitu, karena bertentangan dengan <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>. Murni neologisme. Sejak dua hari lalu Anda memberi argumen ABCD dst. tapi belum ada yang substantif. Pertama beralasan <i>di Google banyak dipakai</i>, tapi diminta tunjukkan Google sebelah mana tidak bisa. Kedua, meragukan kredibilitas Badan Bahasa dan Ivan Lanin. Memang tidak ada kamus yang sempurna, tapi apakah semua padanan/serapan di sana salah? Berapa persentase kesalahannya? Tidak ada yang tahu. Alir langsung memang tidak ada di KBBI VI <b>tapi</b> Badan Bahasa menerbitkannya di laman Padanan Istilah (Pasti). Bisa dianggap sudah dibakukan dan/atau termasuk nama umum. <i>Come on</i>, minimal berikan rujukan tertulis, bukan mengarang bebas. Wikipedia bukan blog pribadi Anda. Kalau alir/aliran langsung dianggap aneh, apa bedanya dengan <b>berselancar di internet</b>? Contoh lain, <b>kita sedang mengudara</b> (<i>on-air</i> di TV/radio). Pemaknaan kata bisa meluas tergantung konteksnya. — <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><i><b>Dosham</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><font color="green"><sup><i>mari bicara</i></sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240814053400-Aleirezkiette-20240814040000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14 Agustus 2024 05.34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240814053400-Aleirezkiette-20240814040000"><span id="ooui-php-129" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240814053400-Aleirezkiette-20240814040000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240817092400-Dodo_Shamal-20240814053400"></span>Selancar sendiri memang suatu kegiatan jadi nyambung , semisal aku berselancar di internet. Mengudara sendiri memang sudah menjadi kata unik / khusus dalam bahasa Indonesia / Melayu yang berarti terbang. Kalo mengalir ?? Itukan sifat air dan pasti aneh kalo diucapin. Okelah kalo aliran langsung (live streaming), tapi coba bayangkan ada kalimat, aku sedang mengalir ? Aku sedang mengalir di YouTube ? Itu tampak aneh. Terjemahan harfiah itu lumrah, tapi kita juga harus tau penggunaan dan apabila dipakai di masyarakat umum itu lumrah atau tidak. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240817092400-Dodo_Shamal-20240814053400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17 Agustus 2024 09.24 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240817092400-Dodo_Shamal-20240814053400"><span id="ooui-php-130" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240817092400-Dodo_Shamal-20240814053400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240817095100-Aleirezkiette-20240817092400"></span>Mendiskusikan topik yang sama di dua halaman pembicaraan berbeda melelahkan juga😢 Penilaian subjektif akan kalah dari <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUMBER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUMBER">WP:SUMBER</a>. Aneh menurut Anda (Aleirezkiette), tapi tidak menurut ahli bahasa. Mohon perhatikan juga perluasan makna. Kemudian, rujukan yang Anda berikan di <a class="external text" href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pembicaraan:Penjaliran_langsung#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240817055700-Mengapa_judul_artikelnya_begini">sini</a>, ternyata tidak dapat mendukung argumen untuk mengganti padanan <i>streaming</i> di WBI. — <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><i><b>Dosham</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><font color="green"><sup><i>mari bicara</i></sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240817095100-Aleirezkiette-20240817092400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17 Agustus 2024 09.51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240817095100-Aleirezkiette-20240817092400"><span id="ooui-php-131" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240817095100-Aleirezkiette-20240817092400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240817101100-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span>Hmm... Saya <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Berkas:Symbol_support_vote.svg" title="Setuju"><img alt="Setuju" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Setuju</b> untuk memindahkan <a href="/w/index.php?title=Penjaliran&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Penjaliran (halaman belum tersedia)">penjaliran</a> ke <a href="/wiki/Alir_langsung" class="mw-redirect" title="Alir langsung">alir langsung</a> per padanan kata dari Badan Bahasa. Menurut saya "penjaliran" adalah kata yang tidak lazim atau asing didengar. <span style="font-family:times;text-shadow:0 0 .5em #7af"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">Serigala Sumatera 🐺🏍️</a></span> <sup><sub><span style="color:#0000FF;">(<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">diskusi nang kene☕</a>)</span></sub></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240817101100-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17 Agustus 2024 10.11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240817101100-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"><span id="ooui-php-132" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240817101100-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-M._Adiputra-20240818090200-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span>Untuk sementara, kita pakai kata "aliran", sampai ada pakar atau lembaga bahasa yang menyerap istilah <i>streaming</i> menjadi "striming" untuk kasus ini. Sama halnya seperti penyerapan kata <i>research</i>, <i>cyber</i>, dan <i>masker</i> (<a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/masker" class="extiw" title="nl:masker">Belanda</a>) menjadi riset, siber, dan masker. Meskipun sudah ada istilah "penelitian", "dunia maya", dan "topeng", tetapi penyerapan istilah-istilah asing telah membantu suatu kata menjadi lebih terdengar pantas sesuai konteksnya. Contohnya saja, kita tidak menerjemahkan <i>medical mask</i> dan <i>beauty mask</i> menjadi "topeng medis" dan "topeng kecantikan", tapi "masker medis" dan "masker kecantikan". Demikian pula semoga nanti <i>streaming</i> diserap menjadi "striming". <span class="nowrap">-- <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font face="Tahoma" color="#808000">Adiputra</font></a></b> <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font color="blue"><span class="Unicode">बिचर</span></font></a></b> --</span> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-M._Adiputra-20240818090200-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18 Agustus 2024 09.02 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-M._Adiputra-20240818090200-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"><span id="ooui-php-133" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-M._Adiputra-20240818090200-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700-M._Adiputra-20240818090200"></span>Dikit dikit nyerep. Kita tunjukkan dong jatidir bahasa Indonesia. Jujur ini adalah hal yang mengenaskan, karatan terganti dengan korosi, pengikisan terganti dengan erosi dsb. Seolah-olah bahasa kita itu miskin kosakata dan harus menyerap bahasa lain. Jangan mental inlander, dengan dalih mempermudah suatu kata agar sesuai dengan penuturan sehari-hari. Kalo gitu semua aja diserep dan mengaburkan bahasa asli dan asing <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700-M._Adiputra-20240818090200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 Agustus 2024 02.27 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700-M._Adiputra-20240818090200"><span id="ooui-php-134" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700-M._Adiputra-20240818090200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240819081800-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700"></span>Aleirezkiette Anda ini kenapa??? Sejak kapan penyerapan kata koheren dengan mental jajahan?🤭 — <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><i><b>Dosham</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><font color="green"><sup><i>mari bicara</i></sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240819081800-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 Agustus 2024 08.18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240819081800-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700"><span id="ooui-php-135" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240819081800-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240819103900-Dodo_Shamal-20240819081800"></span>Tentu Saja. Itu sama halnya dengan menanggap rendah kata bahasa asli kitam. Seolah-olah kita miskin kosakata <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240819103900-Dodo_Shamal-20240819081800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 Agustus 2024 10.39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240819103900-Dodo_Shamal-20240819081800"><span id="ooui-php-136" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240819103900-Dodo_Shamal-20240819081800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240820002500-Aleirezkiette-20240819103900"></span>^Maaf ini lucu sekali😂😂 entah membuat opini dari mana, mungkin riset asli lagi. Kenyataannya, bahasa justru diperkaya oleh kata serapan. Anda tidak bisa terus-menerus menyangkal, karena WBI memberlakukan <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pedoman_penyerapan_istilah" title="Wikipedia:Pedoman penyerapan istilah"><b>pedoman penyerapan istilah</b></a>. Saya salin secara verbatim:</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r21477316"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Gunakanlah glosarium bahasa Indonesia (misalnya terbitan Pusat Bahasa Departemen Pendidikan Nasional RI) untuk istilah serapan yang sudah dibakukan. Lihat versi elektronik (tidak lengkap) glosarium Pusat Bahasa.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r21477316"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Di bidang komputer/internet, lihat Istilah Internet Indonesia. Untuk istilah singkatan seperti TCP/IP, FTP sebaiknya tetap ditulis dalam bentuk aslinya (tidak diterjemahkan ke dalam bahasa Indonesia menjadi PKT/PI dan PTA atau PTB--Protokol Transfer Berkas).</p></blockquote> — <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><i><b>Dosham</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><font color="green"><sup><i>mari bicara</i></sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240820002500-Aleirezkiette-20240819103900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 00.25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240820002500-Aleirezkiette-20240819103900"><span id="ooui-php-137" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240820002500-Aleirezkiette-20240819103900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820042300-Dodo_Shamal-20240820002500"></span>Ya maksud saya pakai istilah asing boleh nyerep boleh kok. Tapi selagi bisa dialihbahasakan ya jangan diserap. Kalo dikit dikit dengan dalih memperkaya kosakata di KBBI semua aja diserap. Kayak KBBI, sekarang.</dd> <dd>Jujur saya kurang setuju dengan sikap KBBI yang menyerap berbagai bahasa daerah di Indonesia, karena yang mereka serap banyak kata-kata sepele dan receh. Kecuali kata khusus , kata teknis atau kata istilah terkait budaya daerah baru okelah.</dd> <dd>Kalau kerjaan kita hanya serap-menyerap , buat apa ada badan bahasa. Bahkan semua orang pun dapat melakukannya. Memangnya apa tolok ukur sumber agar dapat dijadikan sumber padanan istilah ? Apakah harus terkenal ? Apakah harus ikut jurusan sastra Indonesia ? Apakah seseorang yang berpengaruh di media sosial ?</dd> <dd>Nyatanya gawit sendiri untuk padanan widget saja dari kaga gawai + rawit, dan diusulkan oleh Ivan lanin, dan masih belum masuk KBBI, tapi tetap masih digunakan. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240820042300-Dodo_Shamal-20240820002500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 04.23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820042300-Dodo_Shamal-20240820002500"><span id="ooui-php-138" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820042300-Dodo_Shamal-20240820002500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-M._Adiputra-20240820072600-Aleirezkiette-20240820042300"></span>Ivan Lanin adalah seorang aktivis bahasa Indonesia, dan salah satu kontributor KBBI V. Saya pernah lihat namanya juga tercantum di KBBI versi cetak.<br/>Acuan kita adalah 2, yaitu ahli dan kamus. Bahkan adakalanya keduanya saling merujuk. Saya bisa mengakses KBBI versi cetak, dan di bagian akhir KBBI ada daftar pustaka tulisan-tulisan pakar sebagai rujukan, contohnya karya Pak <a href="/wiki/Harimurti_Kridalaksana" title="Harimurti Kridalaksana">Harimurti Kridalaksana</a>. <span class="nowrap">-- <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font face="Tahoma" color="#808000">Adiputra</font></a></b> <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font color="blue"><span class="Unicode">बिचर</span></font></a></b> --</span> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-M._Adiputra-20240820072600-Aleirezkiette-20240820042300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 07.26 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-M._Adiputra-20240820072600-Aleirezkiette-20240820042300"><span id="ooui-php-139" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-M._Adiputra-20240820072600-Aleirezkiette-20240820042300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-M._Adiputra-20240820072000-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700"></span>Janganlah <i>cherry picking</i>, atau standar ganda. Beberapa istilah serapan pun sudah mengatasi alasan "terdengar aneh" yang Anda kemukakan. Kalau bahasa Indonesia tidak menyerap (saya beri satu contoh), kita akan pakai istilah "topeng" seperti bahasa Melayu, bukan "masker" untuk menyebut <i>medical mask</i>. Hindari alasan "terdengar aneh" lagi, karena membentuk neologisme tidak mengurangi keanehannya. Salah satu cara para pendahulu kita untuk mengurangi keanehannya adalah melalui penyerapan istilah. <span class="nowrap">-- <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font face="Tahoma" color="#808000">Adiputra</font></a></b> <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font color="blue"><span class="Unicode">बिचर</span></font></a></b> --</span> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-M._Adiputra-20240820072000-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 07.20 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-M._Adiputra-20240820072000-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700"><span id="ooui-php-140" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-M._Adiputra-20240820072000-Aleirezkiette-20240819022700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820103600-M._Adiputra-20240820072000"></span>Ya saya tahu, sekali lagi sesuai konteksnya. Jika itu terlihat aneh atau kurang pas atau ga ada padanannya baru diserap. Tapi kalo ada dan nyambung baru pake. Bayangkan orang bilang kata-kata seperti penghantaran, perolakan dan <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240820103600-M._Adiputra-20240820072000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 10.36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820103600-M._Adiputra-20240820072000"><span id="ooui-php-141" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820103600-M._Adiputra-20240820072000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820103800-Aleirezkiette-20240820103600"></span>... dan pengikisan dicap kata rendahan. Tapi giliran konduksi, konveksi dan erosi dibilang kata berkelas dan orangnya berilmu. Maksudku serendah itu kah bahasa asli kita <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240820103800-Aleirezkiette-20240820103600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 10.38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820103800-Aleirezkiette-20240820103600"><span id="ooui-php-142" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820103800-Aleirezkiette-20240820103600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820104100-M._Adiputra-20240820072000"></span>Dan satu lagi, neologisme memang bisa kok membuat suatu kata tidak terdengar aneh, lagi-lagi ya sesuaikan konteks dan konotasinya. Dan mask di Malaysia bukanlah topeng 😂😂😂, melainkan pelitup. Jadi mask atau medical mask merupakan pelitup atau pelitup muka. Sungguh kaya mereka memilih kata dan mengurangi serapan. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240820104100-M._Adiputra-20240820072000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 10.41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820104100-M._Adiputra-20240820072000"><span id="ooui-php-143" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820104100-M._Adiputra-20240820072000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-M._Adiputra-20240821004800-Aleirezkiette-20240820104100"></span>Istilah pelitup memang ada. Namun orang Malaysia sering memakai kata topeng. Dalam siaran TV Malaysia juga demikian. Untuk contoh ini <i>case closed</i> saja biar tidak ke mana-mana. <br/></dd> <dd>Sekali lagi, neologisme tidak dianjurkan di WBI, karena WBI ini bisa ditulis siapa saja, sehingga tidak ada pertanggungjawaban serta tidak jelas kepakaran pencetusnya. Meskipun demikian, KBBI IV pernah memakai WBI sebagai rujukannya (saya baca KBBI IV dan V yang versi cetak) tapi yang pasti bukan neologisme. Semoga redaksi KBBI berikutnya lebih selektif lagi dalam memilih sumber. <span class="nowrap">-- <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font face="Tahoma" color="#808000">Adiputra</font></a></b> <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font color="blue"><span class="Unicode">बिचर</span></font></a></b> --</span> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-M._Adiputra-20240821004800-Aleirezkiette-20240820104100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Agustus 2024 00.48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-M._Adiputra-20240821004800-Aleirezkiette-20240820104100"><span id="ooui-php-144" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-M._Adiputra-20240821004800-Aleirezkiette-20240820104100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240818141400-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span>kalau berdasarkan common name sih mungkin "siaran langsung" adalah padanan dari 'live streaming' yang sudah umum digunakan (di medsos). <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240818141400-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18 Agustus 2024 14.14 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240818141400-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"><span id="ooui-php-145" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240818141400-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240818150500-Illchy-20240818141400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a>: Kalau itu lebih dekat dengan <i>live broadcast</i> dan <i>live transmission</i>, sih. Di <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_broadcast" class="extiw" title="en:Live broadcast">enwiki</a> masuknya ke halaman disambiguasi, karena siaran langsung banyak mediumnya: radio, televisi, internet (yang disebut terakhir yang kita sebut <i>live stream</i>).</dd> <dd>.</dd> <dd>Menurut <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pasti.kemdikbud.go.id/istilah_resultdetail2.php">Badan Bahasa</a>, siaran langsung ≠ live streaming. Namun, saya tidak memungkiri perluasan makna, apalagi sejak pandemi orang-orang sekitar menggunakan dua istilah tersebut secara bergantian. Yang jelas, tidak ada yang pakai <i>penjaliran</i>😁</dd> <dd>.</dd> <dd>Setelah mempertimbangkan pendapat para suhu di atas, ditambah merujuk kepada laman Padanan Istilah dan glosarium Kateglo, sementara halaman <i>penjaliran langsung</i> saya kembalikan ke <a href="/wiki/Aliran_langsung" title="Aliran langsung">aliran langsung</a>. Khusus siaran langsung, tetap menjadi halaman pengalihan. Di sini mulai kelihatan konsensusnya bahwa kita menolak <a href="/wiki/Neologisme" title="Neologisme">neologisme</a> yang hanya berpijak di atas riset asli—kecuali satu pengguna. — <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><i><b>Dosham</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><font color="green"><sup><i>mari bicara</i></sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240818150500-Illchy-20240818141400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18 Agustus 2024 15.05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240818150500-Illchy-20240818141400"><span id="ooui-php-146" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240818150500-Illchy-20240818141400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hariadhi-20240819163900-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span>Saya terus terang cukup bingung kenapa harus bikin istilah baru lagi. Bukankah <b>siaran langsung</b> sudah sangat jelas maknanya dan bisa dipakai untuk padanan <i>livestreaming</i>? <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a> - <sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hariadhi">Ngobrol</a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hariadhi-20240819163900-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 Agustus 2024 16.39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hariadhi-20240819163900-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"><span id="ooui-php-147" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hariadhi-20240819163900-Dodo_Shamal-20240813152300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240820004400-Hariadhi-20240819163900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a>: Meminjam pendapat Uda <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:IvanLanin" title="Pengguna:IvanLanin">Ivan Lanin</a> di <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://x.com/ivanlanin/status/1060323562152587264">X</a>:</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r21477316"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>"Siaran" sudah dipakai untuk padanan "broadcast". Boleh saja disamakan, tetapi broadcasting &lt;> streaming.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>Kalau saya melihatnya memang ada perluasan makna, terutama sejak pandemi. Namun karena <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://kateglo.lostfocus.org/?mod=glossary&amp;op=2&amp;phrase=Streaming&amp;dc=&amp;lang=&amp;src=&amp;srch=Cari">glosarium</a> memadankan <i>streaming</i>—audio dan video—dengan aliran, saya ikut sumber tsb. Sumber lain saya cantumkan di bagian teratas dari utas ini. — <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><i><b>Dosham</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><font color="green"><sup><i>mari bicara</i></sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240820004400-Hariadhi-20240819163900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 00.44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240820004400-Hariadhi-20240819163900"><span id="ooui-php-148" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240820004400-Hariadhi-20240819163900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hariadhi-20240820120400-Dodo_Shamal-20240820004400"></span>Masuk akal, tapi urgensinya untuk dibedakan, apa? Apakah ada fungsi yang berbeda dari kedua istilah itu? Bukannya prinsipnya sama saja, memberikan liputan langsung yang bisa dilihat oleh pemirsanya, walaupun medianya berbeda?<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a> - <sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hariadhi">Ngobrol</a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hariadhi-20240820120400-Dodo_Shamal-20240820004400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 12.04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hariadhi-20240820120400-Dodo_Shamal-20240820004400"><span id="ooui-php-149" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hariadhi-20240820120400-Dodo_Shamal-20240820004400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820130500-Hariadhi-20240820120400"></span>Ya sudah, samakan saja kata yang menurut kamu sama. Gantikan flora dan fauna jadi tumbuhan dan binatang, gantikan streaming jadi siaran yang menurut kamu semakna dan seprinsip <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240820130500-Hariadhi-20240820120400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 13.05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820130500-Hariadhi-20240820120400"><span id="ooui-php-150" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240820130500-Hariadhi-20240820120400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hariadhi-20240820144300-Aleirezkiette-20240820130500"></span>Ga apple to apple. Flora dan fauna sudah ada bahkan sebelum wikipedia muncul. Bedakan dengan istilah aliran langsung yang mau dibuat sendiri oleh seseorang tanpa usaha riset dulu. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Aliran+langsung%22&amp;oq=%22Aliran+langsung%22&amp;gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIICAEQABgWGB4yCAgCEAAYFhgeMg0IAxAAGIYDGIAEGIoFMgoIBBAAGIAEGKIEMgoIBRAAGIAEGKIEMgoIBhAAGIAEGKIEMgoIBxAAGIAEGKIEMgoICBAAGIAEGKIE0gEIMjcxNGowajSoAgCwAgE&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8#ip=1">Coba google dulu sebelum menciptakan istilah baru. Aliran langsung sudah dipakai untuk padanan kata direct runoff</a>. Membuat padanan aliran langsung untuk livestreaming bisa membuat orang kebingungan dengan maknanya. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a> - <sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hariadhi">Ngobrol</a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hariadhi-20240820144300-Aleirezkiette-20240820130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 14.43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hariadhi-20240820144300-Aleirezkiette-20240820130500"><span id="ooui-php-151" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hariadhi-20240820144300-Aleirezkiette-20240820130500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hariadhi-20240820152100-Hariadhi-20240820144300"></span>BTW saya tidak menentang pengalihbahasaan livestreaming ya. Tapi kalau livestreaming diterjemahkan jadi aliran langsung, hanya karena stream itu artinya aliran, ujungnya kita jadi menerjemahkan kata per kata, dan mengabaikan kemungkinan membuat orang bingung, karena saat digoogle aliran langsung itu penjelasannya direct runoff, yang ada di bidang yang lain dengan komunikasi via internet. Saran saya seperti di atas, lebih baik coba cari padanan yang bisa dibedakan dengan direct runoff dan orang yang membaca juga tidak kesulitan memahami maknanya. Pertimbangkan juga dulu upload dan download dipadankan dengan unggah dan unduh juga tidak dengan serta merta menerjemahkan kata up, down, dan load. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a> - <sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hariadhi">Ngobrol</a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hariadhi-20240820152100-Hariadhi-20240820144300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20 Agustus 2024 15.21 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hariadhi-20240820152100-Hariadhi-20240820144300"><span id="ooui-php-152" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hariadhi-20240820152100-Hariadhi-20240820144300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800-Hariadhi-20240820144300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a>: Maaf, sepertinya ada sedikit <u>salah paham</u> pada pernyataan Anda yang ini:</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r21477316"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Bedakan dengan istilah aliran langsung yang mau dibuat sendiri oleh seseorang tanpa usaha riset dulu (?)</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>Aliran langsung sebagai padanan <i>live streaming</i> <b>sudah diakui Badan Bahasa</b> (lihat rujukan pada bagian teratas dari utas ini). Yang kita permasalahkan di sini bukan aliran langsung, tapi <b>justru</b> <i>penjaliran</i> yang dibuat sendiri oleh seseorang tanpa usaha riset dulu—neologisme. Istilah <i>direct run-off</i> biasa digunakan dalam bidang hidrologi, setahu saya sudah dibakukan menjadi <b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/entri/Limpasan%20langsung">limpasan langsung</a></b> di KBBI VI. — <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><i><b>Dosham</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><font color="green"><sup><i>mari bicara</i></sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800-Hariadhi-20240820144300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Agustus 2024 02.38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800-Hariadhi-20240820144300"><span id="ooui-php-153" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800-Hariadhi-20240820144300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hariadhi-20240821030300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800"></span>Kalau kondisinya seperti itu bisa jadi pertimbangan. Saya juga bisa salah. Tapi cek google perlu untuk mempertimbangkan apakah penggunaan kata aliran bisa dipakai atau malah akan membuat bingung. Walau resminya limpasan, tapi aliran juga bisa sering dipakai. Biasanya kita bandingkan dulu dari hasil search, mana kata yang lebih sering dipakai masyarakat. Jika aliran lebih sering dipakai untuk menerjemahkan runoff, maka sebaiknya hindari membuat padanan aliran untuk livestreaming, terlebih penjelasan atas livestreaming jadi aliran air itu ternyata keluarnya cuma wikipedia. 21 Agustus 2024 03.03 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a> - <sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hariadhi">Ngobrol</a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hariadhi-20240821030300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Agustus 2024 03.03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hariadhi-20240821030300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800"><span id="ooui-php-154" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hariadhi-20240821030300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hariadhi-20240821031300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800"></span>Terkait pernyataan livestreaming sudah diakui badan bahasa, saya pikir itu gegabah. Yang ditunjukkan adalah live streaming padanannya alir langsung, bukan aliran langsung. Dan sudah saya cek "alir langsung" memang ada yang menggunakan. Tapi pertimbangkan juga penggunanannya juga belum meluas. Maka ga bisa serta merta bikin entry aliran langsung. Buat dulu entry yang lebih dipahami masyarakat, berikan informasi bahwa "...atau dalam Bahasa Indonesianya adalah alir langsung..."</dd> <dd>Neologisme tidak dianjurkan di Wikipedia itu ada alasannya. Kalau kita ngotot semua istilah asing harus dibuat dalam bentuk padanan Bahasa Indonesia, ujungnya artikel jadi sulit dipahami dan tidak ada yang mau menggoogle istilah itu, sehingga orang jadi malah terhalangi mendapat informasi. Jadi kalau ada istilah baru, memperkenalkannya pelan-pelan. Ga bisa langsung dibuat jadi entry. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a> - <sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hariadhi">Ngobrol</a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hariadhi-20240821031300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Agustus 2024 03.13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hariadhi-20240821031300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800"><span id="ooui-php-155" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hariadhi-20240821031300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821023800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100-Hariadhi-20240821031300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a>: Kalau soal <i>direct run-off</i> saya rasa cuma masalah konteks pemakaian, mohon pertimbangkan eksistensi <b><a href="/wiki/Homonim" title="Homonim">homonim</a></b>. Namun kalau mau jadi alir langsung, ya tidak masalah. Siaran langsung tetap diakui, tapi masuknya halaman pengalihan seperti sekarang. Saya sih berpegang dengan <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pedoman_penyerapan_istilah" title="Wikipedia:Pedoman penyerapan istilah">WP:pedoman penyerapan istilah</a>. Di sana tertulis, <u>acuan kita adalah glosarium Pusat/Badan Bahasa</u>:</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r21477316"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Gunakanlah glosarium bahasa Indonesia (misalnya terbitan Pusat Bahasa Departemen Pendidikan Nasional RI) untuk istilah serapan yang sudah dibakukan. Lihat versi elektronik (tidak lengkap) glosarium Pusat Bahasa.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>Intinya asal bukan <i>penjaliran langsung</i> yang jelas-jelas neologis, saya oke saja. Omong-omong, kenapa jadinya malah saya yang seperti kena omel🤭 Awalnya kan @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Bebasnama" title="Pengguna:Bebasnama">Bebasnama</a> yang bikin istilah neologis tanpa rujukan sama sekali, kemudian Alerizkiette membela beliau (entah mereka orang yang sama atau bukan). Kemudian saya memberi tahu ke mereka, ini lo ada pedoman di WBI untuk mengikuti glosarium resmi. Jadi, <b>bukan saya yang membuat istilah neologis</b>. — <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><i><b>Dosham</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><font color="green"><sup><i>mari bicara</i></sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100-Hariadhi-20240821031300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Agustus 2024 04.21 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100-Hariadhi-20240821031300"><span id="ooui-php-156" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100-Hariadhi-20240821031300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hariadhi-20240821045300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100"></span>Saya sih jarang ngomelin orang. Anggap saja ini diskusi, Dari dulu juga saat sebuah istilah baru diperkenalkan memang diskusinya panjang lebar dan makan waktu berbulan-bulan bahkan tahunan. Hahahaha. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a> - <sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hariadhi">Ngobrol</a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hariadhi-20240821045300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Agustus 2024 04.53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hariadhi-20240821045300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100"><span id="ooui-php-157" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hariadhi-20240821045300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240821095300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100"></span>Memangnya riset seperti apa untuk membuat neologisme. Contoh diatas, Uda Ivan Lanin memadankan widget dengan gawit (gawai + rawit), bukankah sama dengan penjaliran atau jaliran (jaringan + alir). Apakah dengan adanya pemasangan seperti ini langsung bulat bulat penerjemahan tak berdasar dan tak diteliti dulu ?</dd> <dd>Jelas-jelas justru terjemahan aliran langsung terkesan kaku dan terlalu harfiah malah terkesan tidak ada risetnya. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240821095300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Agustus 2024 09.53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240821095300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100"><span id="ooui-php-158" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240821095300-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240821100000-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100"></span>Bagaimana dengan memadankan istilah tersebut pada kaga yang lain yang serupa maknanya. Karena alir terasa kaku saja dan terikat erat dengan sifat air. Contoh kata lain atau alternatif jika stream diterjemahkan dalam bahasa Indonesia adalah :</dd> <dd>• Riak, Jeram, Bena, Alun, Cegar <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">Aleirezkiette</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Aleirezkiette" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Aleirezkiette">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Aleirezkiette-20240821100000-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Agustus 2024 10.00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleirezkiette-20240821100000-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100"><span id="ooui-php-159" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleirezkiette-20240821100000-Dodo_Shamal-20240821042100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gombang-20240821030100-Live_streaming"></span>Saya kira kebijakan WBI sudah jelas soal ini: neologisme tidak dianjurkan. Kalau Anda ingin menciptakan istilah baru, silakan mempopulerkan di tempat lain dulu. Bisa di media massa, media sosial, atau mendekati Badan Bahasa ;-) Kalau sudah populer baru boleh dibawa ke sini. Lain cerita kalau Anda di Wikipedia bahasa daerah yang lebih perlu inovasi bahasa. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Gombang" title="Pengguna:Gombang">Gombang</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Gombang" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Gombang">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Gombang-20240821030100-Live_streaming" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21 Agustus 2024 03.01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gombang-20240821030100-Live_streaming"><span id="ooui-php-160" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gombang-20240821030100-Live_streaming"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-M._Adiputra-20240822012800-Gombang-20240821030100"></span>Saya setuju dengan pendapat Mas Gombang. Publikasikan terlebih dahulu tapi jangan di WBI.<br/> Seharusnya WBI merujuk kepada publikasi di media massa, bukan menciptakan istilah baru. WBI bukan media untuk mempopulerkan neologisme, karena ditulis oleh sukarelawan, bukan pakar atau aktivis. Ingat saja prinsip sederhana ini: <dl><dd><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Ya" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span> Pakar/aktivis mempublikasikan ide dan penelitian, media massa dan WBI mengutipnya.</dd> <dd><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Ya" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span> Sukarelawan WBI mengutip ide dan penelitian pakar/aktivis, media massa mengutipnya.</dd> <dd><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Silang merah" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Red_x.svg/13px-Red_x.svg.png" decoding="async" width="13" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Red_x.svg/20px-Red_x.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Red_x.svg/26px-Red_x.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Sukarelawan WBI mempublikasikan ide dan penelitian, media massa dan pakar/aktivis mengutipnya.</dd></dl></dd> <dd><i>No original research in a nutshell</i> <span class="nowrap">-- <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font face="Tahoma" color="#808000">Adiputra</font></a></b> <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font color="blue"><span class="Unicode">बिचर</span></font></a></b> --</span> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-M._Adiputra-20240822012800-Gombang-20240821030100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22 Agustus 2024 01.28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-M._Adiputra-20240822012800-Gombang-20240821030100"><span id="ooui-php-161" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-M._Adiputra-20240822012800-Gombang-20240821030100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300-M._Adiputra-20240822012800"></span>Waw seru juga yah diskusinya. Saya lebih memilih live stream tidak perlu di padankan untuk sementara waktu jika padanannya belum di perkenalkan oleh ahli bahasa dan belum dikenal secara luas <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Badak Jawa">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300-M._Adiputra-20240822012800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22 Agustus 2024 09.53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300-M._Adiputra-20240822012800"><span id="ooui-php-162" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300-M._Adiputra-20240822012800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zulf-20240823031900-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Berkas:GA_candidate.svg" title="Agak setuju sih"><img alt="Agak setuju sih" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/15px-GA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/23px-GA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/30px-GA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="183" data-file-height="196"/></a></span> <b>Agak setuju sih</b> <br/> <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:9pt 0;padding:3px 7px;background:linear-gradient(to bottom right, blue,#00FF7F)"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pengguna:Zulf"><span style="color:#fff;font:1em Lucida Sans">🍃Zulf🍃</span></a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Zulf" class="mw-redirect" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Zulf"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Zulf-20240823031900-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23 Agustus 2024 03.19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zulf-20240823031900-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300"><span id="ooui-php-163" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zulf-20240823031900-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240823104400-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a>: sebetulnya sudah diperkenalkan oleh ahli bahasa (Badan Bahasa isinya para ahli, kan😄)—lihat pesan paling atas. Uda Ivan, pendiri Narabahasa, juga ikut mempopulerkan, pada artikel beliau di Medium yang berjudul "Podcast Nusantara". Berikut kutipannya:</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r21477316"><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Acara yang dipandu Arto Biantoro ini disiarkan melalui kanal YouTube dan <b>aliran langsung</b> (live streaming) DAAI TV.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>Yang saya permasalahkan adalah padanan yang dibuat sendiri oleh pengguna WBI (@Bebasnama dan Aleirezkiette), bukan ahli bahasa. Intinya saya sependapat dengan @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pengguna:M. Adiputra">M. Adiputra</a>. — <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><i><b>Dosham</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Dodo_Shamal" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dodo Shamal"><font color="green"><sup><i>mari bicara</i></sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Dodo_Shamal-20240823104400-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23 Agustus 2024 10.44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240823104400-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300"><span id="ooui-php-164" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodo_Shamal-20240823104400-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240824003400-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Berkas:Symbol_oppose_vote.svg" title="Tidak setuju"><img alt="Tidak setuju" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Tidak setuju</b> @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> saya tetap mementingkan penggunaan bahasa Indonesia yang baku dan tidak mencampur dengan bahasa asing tanpa melalui konsesus Badan Bahasa dan KBBI. <span style="font-family:times;text-shadow:0 0 .5em #7af"><a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">Serigala Sumatera 🐺🏍️</a></span> <sup><sub><span style="color:#0000FF;">(<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Serigala_Sumatera" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Serigala Sumatera">diskusi nang kene☕</a>)</span></sub></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240824003400-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 Agustus 2024 00.34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240824003400-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300"><span id="ooui-php-165" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serigala_Sumatera-20240824003400-Badak_Jawa-20240822095300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240902063400-Gombang-20240821030100"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Berkas:Symbol_support_vote.svg" title="Setuju"><img alt="Setuju" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Setuju</b> Kalaupun pejaliran itu memang bahasa bakunya, tetapi saja banyak yang menggunakan <i>aliran langsung</i> ataupun <i>siaran langsung.</i> dan sependapat sih sama bung gombang terhadap kebijakan WBI yang menyatakan bahwa neologisme tidak dianjurkan dalam penerjemahan. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240902063400-Gombang-20240821030100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2 September 2024 06.34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240902063400-Gombang-20240821030100"><span id="ooui-php-166" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240902063400-Gombang-20240821030100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Illchy-20240824083500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Apa_itu_People?-20240824083500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Illchy-20240824083500-Apa_itu_People?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Apa itu People?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Apa itu People?&quot;}--><h2 id="Apa_itu_People?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Apa_itu_People?-20240824083500"><span id="Apa_itu_People.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Apa_itu_People?-20240824083500"></span>Apa itu <i>People</i>?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Apa_itu_People?-20240824083500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=23" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Apa itu People?"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Illchy-20240908055900-PinkDash-20240902062900">2 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>6 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Illchy-20240824083500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Apa_itu_People?-20240824083500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Illchy-20240824083500-Apa_itu_People?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Apa itu People?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Apa itu People?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240824083500-Apa_itu_People?"></span>Sepertinya belum ada padanan tepat untuk kata <i>People</i>. Di bahasa Indonesia, kata ini bisa merujuk pada <i>Suku bangsa</i>, <i>Bangsa</i>, <i>Orang</i> (seperti dalam 'orang Sunda'), <i>Etnik</i>, dan berbagai istilah lain yang saling tumpang tindih. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240824083500-Apa_itu_People?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 Agustus 2024 08.35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240824083500-Apa_itu_People?"><span id="ooui-php-167" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240824083500-Apa_itu_People?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240824084000-Illchy-20240824083500"></span>Terkadang, sebuah <i>Bangsa</i> adalah suku bangsa dari bangsa yang lebih besar. Misalnya <i>Bangsa Turki</i> adalah suku bangsa di Turki, tapi bisa juga menjadi suku bangsa di negara tetangga (misal di Yunani). Terkadang, <i>Suku bangsa</i> adalah bangsa itu sendiri. Misalnya Ainu di Jepang, itu adalah <i>Bangsa</i>. Mereka punya bahasa sendiri, budaya sendiri, dan identitas yang tentunya berbeda dari orang Jepang pada umumnya. Dalam bahasa Inggris kedua istilah ini adalah hal yang sama, yaitu <i>People</i>. Sehingga tidak ada kebingungan di antara keduanya. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240824084000-Illchy-20240824083500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 Agustus 2024 08.40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240824084000-Illchy-20240824083500"><span id="ooui-php-168" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240824084000-Illchy-20240824083500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hariadhi-20240825083500-Illchy-20240824083500"></span>Masyarakat atau rakyat juga bisa. Seperti terjemahan People's Republic of China adalah Republik Rakyat China. Sebenarnya tidak ada masalah dengan hal ini. Satu kata di sebuah bahasa bisa punya banyak terjemahan dalam bahasa lain. <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a> - <sup><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Hariadhi">Ngobrol</a></sup> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Hariadhi-20240825083500-Illchy-20240824083500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">25 Agustus 2024 08.35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hariadhi-20240825083500-Illchy-20240824083500"><span id="ooui-php-169" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hariadhi-20240825083500-Illchy-20240824083500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240825185300-Hariadhi-20240825083500"></span>Ya memang benar <i>Satu kata di sebuah bahasa bisa punya banyak terjemahan dalam bahasa lain.</i> Tapi tetap saja <i>Suku Bangsa</i> dan <i>Bangsa</i> masih membingungkan hingga saat ini. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240825185300-Hariadhi-20240825083500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">25 Agustus 2024 18.53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240825185300-Hariadhi-20240825083500"><span id="ooui-php-170" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240825185300-Hariadhi-20240825083500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PinkDash-20240902062900-Illchy-20240825185300"></span>Mungkin kalau untuk suku, lebih baik dituliskan sebagai masyarakat. karena banyak media berita yang mencatumkan istilah tersebut dalam topik tersebut.<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> 2 September 2024 06.29 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#8B008B"><b>Pinkash</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:PinkDash" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:PinkDash"><font color="#F08080"><sup>Ngobrol yuk</sup></font></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-PinkDash-20240902062900-Illchy-20240825185300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2 September 2024 06.29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PinkDash-20240902062900-Illchy-20240825185300"><span id="ooui-php-171" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PinkDash-20240902062900-Illchy-20240825185300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Illchy-20240908055900-PinkDash-20240902062900"></span>Istilah paling fleksibel adalah <i>Orang</i>. <b>Orang Sunda</b> (etnik), <b>Orang Indonesia</b> (kebangsaan), <b>Orang Asia</b> (penduduk benua Asia), <b>Orang Katolik</b> (pemeluk agama Katolisisme) dsb.. Demonim atau etnonim dalam bahasa Inggris biasanya menggunakan formula "Nama + jamak" (<b>Finns</b> "orang Finlandia", <b>Turks</b> "orang Turki", <b>Brits</b> "orang Britania Raya"). Ada juga menggunakan akhiran <i>people</i> (<b>Chinese people</b> "orang Tionghoa", <b>Burmese people</b> "orang Myanmar"). <a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Illchy" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Illchy">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Illchy-20240908055900-PinkDash-20240902062900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">8 September 2024 05.59 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Illchy-20240908055900-PinkDash-20240902062900"><span id="ooui-php-172" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Illchy-20240908055900-PinkDash-20240902062900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badak_Jawa-20240908094100&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Padanan_Municipality-20240908094100&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badak_Jawa-20240908094100-Padanan_Municipality&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Padanan Municipality&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Padanan Municipality&quot;}--><h2 id="Padanan_Municipality" data-mw-thread-id="h-Padanan_Municipality-20240908094100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Padanan_Municipality-20240908094100"></span>Padanan <i>Municipality</i><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Padanan_Municipality-20240908094100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=24" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Padanan Municipality"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-Badak_Jawa-20240908094100-Padanan_Municipality">2 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badak_Jawa-20240908094100&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Padanan_Municipality-20240908094100&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badak_Jawa-20240908094100-Padanan_Municipality&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Padanan Municipality&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Padanan Municipality&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240908094100-Padanan_Municipality"></span>Halo! Saya ingin menanyakan apakah <i>municipality</i> bisa di artikan sebagai kotamadya alih-alih munisipalitas? Saya mengundang @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Agus_Damanik" title="Pengguna:Agus Damanik">Agus Damanik</a>, @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Kuramochi_Akihiko" title="Pengguna:Kuramochi Akihiko">Kuramochi Akihiko</a> @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Bennylin" title="Pengguna:Bennylin">Bennylin</a> @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Hariadhi" title="Pengguna:Hariadhi">Hariadhi</a>, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=Pengguna:Illchy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Pengguna:Illchy (halaman belum tersedia)">Illchy</a>, @<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Veracious" title="Pengguna:Veracious">Veracious</a> dan pengguna Wikipedia Indonesia lain untuk turut berdiskusi <a href="/wiki/Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pengguna:Badak Jawa">Badak Jawa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Badak_Jawa" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:Badak Jawa">bicara</a>) <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-Badak_Jawa-20240908094100-Padanan_Municipality" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">8 September 2024 09.41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badak_Jawa-20240908094100-Padanan_Municipality"><span id="ooui-php-173" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badak_Jawa-20240908094100-Padanan_Municipality"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-ANNAFscience-20240928144500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Balada_vs_Ballade-20240928144500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-ANNAFscience-20240928144500-Balada_vs_Ballade&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Balada vs Ballade&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Balada vs Ballade&quot;}--><h2 id="Balada_vs_Ballade" data-mw-thread-id="h-Balada_vs_Ballade-20240928144500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Balada_vs_Ballade-20240928144500"></span>Balada vs Ballade<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Balada_vs_Ballade-20240928144500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)&amp;action=edit&amp;section=25" title="Sunting kode sumber bagian: Balada vs Ballade"><span>sunting sumber</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Komentar terbaru: <a href="#c-ANNAFscience-20240929135300-M._Adiputra-20240929024600">1 bulan yang lalu</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 komentar</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 orang dalam diskusi</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-ANNAFscience-20240928144500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Balada_vs_Ballade-20240928144500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-ANNAFscience-20240928144500-Balada_vs_Ballade&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Balada vs Ballade&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Balada vs Ballade&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ANNAFscience-20240928144500-Balada_vs_Ballade"></span>Halo, terkait menerjemahkan halaman karya-karya musik klasik ballade, (seperti <a href="/wiki/Ballade_No._1_(Chopin)" class="mw-redirect" title="Ballade No. 1 (Chopin)">Ballade No. 1 (Chopin)</a>), apakah bagian "ballade"nya harus ditejemahkan menjadi "Balada" atau tetap "ballade"? Terima kasih. <b>❮<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:ANNAFscience" title="Pengguna:ANNAFscience"><span style="color:#FBDA25">ANNA</span><span style="color:#F1881C">Fsci</span><span style="color:#E63613">ence</span></a> <sup>❮<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:ANNAFscience" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:ANNAFscience">Sort Horse-stall?</a>❯</sup>❯</b> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-ANNAFscience-20240928144500-Balada_vs_Ballade" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">28 September 2024 14.45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ANNAFscience-20240928144500-Balada_vs_Ballade"><span id="ooui-php-174" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ANNAFscience-20240928144500-Balada_vs_Ballade"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-M._Adiputra-20240929024600-ANNAFscience-20240928144500"></span>Terjemahkan menjadi "Balada". <span class="nowrap">-- <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font face="Tahoma" color="#808000">Adiputra</font></a></b> <b><a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:M._Adiputra" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:M. Adiputra"><font color="blue"><span class="Unicode">बिचर</span></font></a></b> --</span> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-M._Adiputra-20240929024600-ANNAFscience-20240928144500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">29 September 2024 02.46 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-M._Adiputra-20240929024600-ANNAFscience-20240928144500"><span id="ooui-php-175" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-M._Adiputra-20240929024600-ANNAFscience-20240928144500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ANNAFscience-20240929135300-M._Adiputra-20240929024600"></span>Ok got it, makasih bang. <b>❮<a href="/wiki/Pengguna:ANNAFscience" title="Pengguna:ANNAFscience"><span style="color:#FBDA25">ANNA</span><span style="color:#F1881C">Fsci</span><span style="color:#E63613">ence</span></a> <sup>❮<a href="/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:ANNAFscience" title="Pembicaraan Pengguna:ANNAFscience">Sort Horse-stall?</a>❯</sup>❯</b> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bahasa)#c-ANNAFscience-20240929135300-M._Adiputra-20240929024600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">29 September 2024 13.53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ANNAFscience-20240929135300-M._Adiputra-20240929024600"><span id="ooui-php-176" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Balas","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Balas</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ANNAFscience-20240929135300-M._Adiputra-20240929024600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Glorious_Engine-20241007040800&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Sumptuary_law_&amp;_Tax_farming-20241007040800&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Glorious_Engine-20241007040800-Sumptuary_law_&amp;_Tax_farming&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Sumptuary law &amp; 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