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review of submission by Commercialindustrial</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.5</span> <span>08:49, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Maumau1978</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.6</span> <span>09:46, 27 November 2024 review of submission by 118.69.188.172</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.7</span> <span>11:03, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Kwame lemuel</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-18:31,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_YamunaIRE" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#18:31,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_YamunaIRE"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.8</span> <span>18:31, 27 November 2024 review of submission by YamunaIRE</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-18:31,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_YamunaIRE-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-18:42,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WIKI.THEMASTER" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#18:42,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WIKI.THEMASTER"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.9</span> <span>18:42, 27 November 2024 review of submission by WIKI.THEMASTER</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-18:42,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WIKI.THEMASTER-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-21:00,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#21:00,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.10</span> <span>21:00, 27 November 2024 review of submission by 70.23.62.81</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-21:00,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-November_28" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#November_28"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>November 28</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-November_28-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle November 28 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-November_28-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-05:11,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#05:11,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.1</span> <span>05:11, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Mackmahak</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-05:11,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-06:19,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#06:19,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.2</span> <span>06:19, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Sujitbus</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-06:19,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-07:47,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#07:47,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.3</span> <span>07:47, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Tizzythewhale</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-07:47,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-07:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#07:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.4</span> <span>07:53, 28 November 2024 review of submission by AviKluger</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-07:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-08:24,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#08:24,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.5</span> <span>08:24, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Wertk</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-08:24,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-08:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#08:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.6</span> <span>08:37, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Anonpriest</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-08:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Suspicious_message" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Suspicious_message"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.7</span> <span>Suspicious message</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Suspicious_message-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-09:29,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#09:29,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.8</span> <span>09:29, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Epiphytehsu</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-09:29,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-10:33,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#10:33,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.9</span> <span>10:33, 28 November 2024 review of submission by IlikeCubepidia</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-10:33,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-10:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#10:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.10</span> <span>10:37, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Purnarthapms</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-10:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-13:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#13:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.11</span> <span>13:53, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Mayommugezi</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-13:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-15:44,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#15:44,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.12</span> <span>15:44, 28 November 2024 review of submission by 102.85.58.140</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-15:44,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-16:28,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_P.S_Parvez_islam" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#16:28,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_P.S_Parvez_islam"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.13</span> <span>16:28, 28 November 2024 review of submission by P.S Parvez islam</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-16:28,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_P.S_Parvez_islam-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-MD_parvez_islam" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#MD_parvez_islam"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.14</span> <span>MD parvez islam</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-MD_parvez_islam-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-18:14,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#18:14,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.15</span> <span>18:14, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Ashok76yadav</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-18:14,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-18:23,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#18:23,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.16</span> <span>18:23, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Edward200211</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-18:23,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-18:49,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#18:49,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.17</span> <span>18:49, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Adityaksingh409</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-18:49,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-23:25,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#23:25,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.18</span> <span>23:25, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Orange sticker</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-23:25,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-November_29" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#November_29"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>November 29</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-November_29-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle November 29 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-November_29-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-03:43,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#03:43,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.1</span> <span>03:43, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Killianordono</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-03:43,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-04:12,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#04:12,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.2</span> <span>04:12, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Thehistorianisaac</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-04:12,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-04:32,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#04:32,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.3</span> <span>04:32, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Divya Ramadoss</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-04:32,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-04:36,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#04:36,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.4</span> <span>04:36, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Aesthemii</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-04:36,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-09:17,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#09:17,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.5</span> <span>09:17, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Intenselatte</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-09:17,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-10:01,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#10:01,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.6</span> <span>10:01, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Aaron Bradley10</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-10:01,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-11:55,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#11:55,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.7</span> <span>11:55, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Veer27Gupta</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-11:55,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-14:07,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#14:07,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.8</span> <span>14:07, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Thehistorianisaac</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-14:07,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-18:30,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#18:30,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.9</span> <span>18:30, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Zoe Sharma</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-18:30,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-21:53,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#21:53,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.10</span> <span>21:53, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Bibi Raheela</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-21:53,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-November_30" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#November_30"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>November 30</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-November_30-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle November 30 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-November_30-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-02:35,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#02:35,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1</span> <span>02:35, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Jhrtvunbyhhf</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-02:35,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-02:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#02:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.1</span> <span>02:36, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Jhrtvunbyhhf</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-02:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-03:02,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#03:02,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2</span> <span>03:02, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Rosebabysu</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-03:02,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-06:25,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujithsubash" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#06:25,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujithsubash"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3</span> <span>06:25, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Sujithsubash</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-06:25,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujithsubash-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-06:41,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#06:41,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.4</span> <span>06:41, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Ridgeman12</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-06:41,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-12:47,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#12:47,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.5</span> <span>12:47, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Thenfactor</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-12:47,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-13:48,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#13:48,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.6</span> <span>13:48, 30 November 2024 review of submission by GwnftLight</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-13:48,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-14:46,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#14:46,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.7</span> <span>14:46, 30 November 2024 review of submission by GwnftLight</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-14:46,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-15:29,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#15:29,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.8</span> <span>15:29, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Brazbiog</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-15:29,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-21:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.15.62.238" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#21:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.15.62.238"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.9</span> <span>21:36, 30 November 2024 review of submission by 70.15.62.238</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-21:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.15.62.238-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-23:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#23:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.10</span> <span>23:36, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Jazzman6500</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-23:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-December_1" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#December_1"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>December 1</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-December_1-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle December 1 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-December_1-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-02:08,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deerfield-Hearst" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#02:08,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deerfield-Hearst"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.1</span> <span>02:08, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Deerfield-Hearst</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-02:08,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deerfield-Hearst-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-02:22,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#02:22,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.2</span> <span>02:22, 1 December 2024 review of submission by 3DTAILEDMUSIC</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-02:22,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.3</span> <span>03:10, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Entersorce</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-03:33,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#03:33,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.3.1</span> <span>03:33, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Entersorce</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-03:33,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-06:39,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#06:39,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.4</span> <span>06:39, 1 December 2024 review of submission by 175.157.84.85</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-06:39,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-08:12,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#08:12,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.5</span> <span>08:12, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Thehistorianisaac</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-08:12,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-14:30,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#14:30,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.6</span> <span>14:30, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Edouglasww</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-14:30,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-14:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#14:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.7</span> <span>14:57, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Daupdaup</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-14:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-16:36,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#16:36,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.8</span> <span>16:36, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Ajvloon</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-16:36,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-18:21,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_BusMapper" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#18:21,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_BusMapper"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.9</span> <span>18:21, 1 December 2024 review of submission by BusMapper</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-18:21,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_BusMapper-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-18:23,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#18:23,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.10</span> <span>18:23, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Sukdev Mahapatra</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-18:23,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-18:32,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#18:32,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.11</span> <span>18:32, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Sukdev Mahapatra</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-18:32,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-20:49,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_CallMe_BurntToast" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#20:49,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_CallMe_BurntToast"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.12</span> <span>20:49, 1 December 2024 review of submission by CallMe BurntToast</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-20:49,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_CallMe_BurntToast-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-21:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#21:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.13</span> <span>21:57, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Azcult</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-21:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-December_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#December_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>December 2</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-December_2-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle December 2 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-December_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-03:16,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#03:16,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.1</span> <span>03:16, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Tyriopp</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-03:16,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-03:53,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#03:53,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.2</span> <span>03:53, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Stephanietheva</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-03:53,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-03:58,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#03:58,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.3</span> <span>03:58, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Stephanietheva</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-03:58,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-04:13,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#04:13,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.4</span> <span>04:13, 2 December 2024 review of submission by DebugDruid</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-04:13,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-05:51,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#05:51,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.5</span> <span>05:51, 2 December 2024 review of submission by ORISEXP</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-05:51,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-06:07,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#06:07,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.6</span> <span>06:07, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Seblmnal</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-06:07,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li 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bottom: 0;"></div> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_27" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_27-20241127045800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_27-20241127045800"></span>November 27<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_27-20241127045800"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_27&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: November 27"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka" data-mw-thread-id="h-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka-November_27-20241127045800"><span id="04:58.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka-November_27-20241127045800"></span>04:58, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Otaneka<span data-mw-comment-end="h-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka-November_27-20241127045800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_27&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: 04:58, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Otaneka"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Otaneka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Otaneka (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Otaneka-20241127045800-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka"></span>Otaneka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Otaneka" title="User talk:Otaneka">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Otaneka" title="Special:Contributions/Otaneka">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Otaneka&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=04%3A58%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Otaneka">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Octavia_Grant" title="Draft:Octavia Grant">Draft:Octavia Grant</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Octavia_Grant&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Octavia_Grant&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Octavia Grant (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Octavia_Grant&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Octavia_Grant">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Octavia_Grant&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AOctavia+Grant">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>My page was declined due to missing footnotes. I'm unsure of how to add the footnotes. Can an experienced editor complete this task? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Otaneka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Otaneka (page does not exist)">Otaneka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Otaneka" title="User talk:Otaneka">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Otaneka-20241127045800-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Otaneka-20241127045800-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Otaneka-20241127045800-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061900-Otaneka-20241127045800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Otaneka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Otaneka (page does not exist)">Otaneka</a>: nobody else can really do that for you, at least not without considerable difficulty, because we don't know from which source each piece of information came from. The process is explained at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFB">WP:REFB</a>, please see that for advice. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061900-Otaneka-20241127045800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061900-Otaneka-20241127045800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061900-Otaneka-20241127045800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo" data-mw-thread-id="h-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo-November_27-20241127054700"><span id="05:47.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo-November_27-20241127054700"></span>05:47, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Venugo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo-November_27-20241127054700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_27&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: 05:47, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Venugo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Venugo" title="User:Venugo"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Venugo-20241127054700-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo"></span>Venugo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Venugo" title="User talk:Venugo">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Venugo" title="Special:Contributions/Venugo">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Venugo&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=05%3A47%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Venugo">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Devendra Rajesh Kothe">Draft:Devendra Rajesh Kothe</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe" title="Draft talk:Devendra Rajesh Kothe">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADevendra+Rajesh+Kothe">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Please merge this page with Devendra Rajesh Kothe new page or already existing subject <a href="/wiki/User:Venugo" title="User:Venugo">Venugo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Venugo" title="User talk:Venugo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Venugo-20241127054700-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Venugo-20241127054700-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Venugo-20241127054700-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061600-Venugo-20241127054700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Venugo" title="User:Venugo">Venugo</a>: there is no miraculous Merge-a-matic® article merger, it's just a case of manually editing the content to selectively insert information (and references) from one article to another; or, if you like, improving and supplementing one article with information appearing in the other. In any case, this isn't something we do here at the help desk, that's your job (or the job of whoever wishes such merging to be done). -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061600-Venugo-20241127054700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061600-Venugo-20241127054700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061600-Venugo-20241127054700"></span></dd></dl> <div 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HewRamen (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HewRamen-20241127063200-06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen"></span>HewRamen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HewRamen" title="User talk:HewRamen">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HewRamen" title="Special:Contributions/HewRamen">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HewRamen&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=06%3A32%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+HewRamen">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:HewRamen/sandbox" title="User:HewRamen/sandbox">User:HewRamen/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HewRamen/sandbox" title="User talk:HewRamen/sandbox">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:HewRamen/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AHewRamen%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I have a project that makes a new topic and I chose to make a new card game that was released 1 year ago UnionArena most of the resources are on the official site I don't know how to find other sites that can Improve my topic which got declined <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HewRamen (page does not exist)">HewRamen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HewRamen" title="User talk:HewRamen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-HewRamen-20241127063200-06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HewRamen-20241127063200-06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HewRamen-20241127063200-06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127070100-HewRamen-20241127063200"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HewRamen (page does not exist)">HewRamen</a>: Wikipedia doesn't publish articles on things that merely exist (with some exceptions, like major geographical features or most species), but rather on things that have been previously covered in the media. Wikipedia articles then (mostly) summarise what media outlets, and more specifically reliable and independent secondary sources, have said. If such sources don't exist, then they cannot be summarised, and a Wikipedia article on the subject cannot be created; this is described as the subject not being "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a>" enough for publication. I expect this is what we're dealing with here. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127070100-HewRamen-20241127063200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127070100-HewRamen-20241127063200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127070100-HewRamen-20241127063200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial" data-mw-thread-id="h-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial-November_27-20241127073000"><span id="07:30.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial-November_27-20241127073000"></span>07:30, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Commercialindustrial<span data-mw-comment-end="h-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial-November_27-20241127073000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_27&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: 07:30, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Commercialindustrial"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial"></span>Commercialindustrial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commercialindustrial" title="User talk:Commercialindustrial">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commercialindustrial" title="Special:Contributions/Commercialindustrial">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=07%3A30%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Commercialindustrial">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Quintessential_(company)" title="Draft:Quintessential (company)">Draft:Quintessential (company)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Quintessential_(company)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Quintessential_(company)" title="Draft talk:Quintessential (company)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Quintessential_(company)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Quintessential_(company)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Quintessential_(company)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AQuintessential+%28company%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hello, I’m seeking guidance on how to improve this draft. It has been rejected multiple times for reading like an advertisement. </p><p>I have made several attempts to rewrite it with a more neutral tone, but I’m struggling to get it approved. To me, it seems neutral, but I may be missing something. Could anyone point out specific sentences or sections that come across as promotional? I would appreciate your feedback so I can make the necessary edits. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commercialindustrial" title="User talk:Commercialindustrial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a>: this draft has now been rejected (after multiple earlier declines), and will therefore not be considered further. Hence, there seems little point in analysing it further.</dd> <dd>You have stated that you are not being paid to edit on this subject. In that case, could you please describe, in your own words, your relationship with Quintessential? Thank you, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400"></span>Thank you for your feedback. I understand that the draft has been rejected multiple times, and I appreciate the concerns raised. My intention with this draft is to provide a factual and encyclopaedic entry for the company, relying on reliable, independent sources that establish its notability.</dd> <dd>To clarify, I do not have any connection to the company, nor am I being paid for this submission. My sole aim is to contribute verifiable information about a subject that, in my view, meets Wikipedia’s notability standards due to significant independent coverage in reputable publications and its contributions to the industry. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commercialindustrial" title="User talk:Commercialindustrial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a>: just to clarify, this draft has not been rejected multiple times; it has been declined multiple times, and rejected once. The difference may seem pedantic, but is actually substantive: decline means that the draft can be resubmitted once the decline reasons have been addressed; rejection means it cannot.</dd> <dd>You registered your user account, and as your very first edit created a draft on Quintessential in your sandbox <a href="/wiki/User:Commercialindustrial/sandbox" title="User:Commercialindustrial/sandbox">User:Commercialindustrial/sandbox</a>, followed shortly after that by creating the same at <a href="/wiki/Draft:Quintessential_(company)" title="Draft:Quintessential (company)">Draft:Quintessential (company)</a>. To date, your entire edit history has to do with Quintessential. Yet you have no relationship with them. Well okay then, if you say so. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700"></span>Thank you for the clarification regarding the difference between “declined” and “rejected.” I appreciate your explanation, as it helps me better understand the process and policies.</dd> <dd>Regarding my account activity, you are correct that my edits have focused on this draft. This is because I registered my account specifically to contribute information about this topic I believe is deserving of an encyclopaedic entry. While my editing experience is limited, I am eager to learn and improve to ensure my contributions align with Wikipedia’s standards. Thank you again for your time and assistance. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commercialindustrial" title="User talk:Commercialindustrial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241127091700-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000"></span>I think we're just wondering how you came to edit about this topic- you didn't pick it at random to edit about. Do you intend to edit about other topics? <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241127091700-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241127091700-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241127091700-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241128013100-331dot-20241127091700"></span>I intend to edit other topics as well. Since I live in the neighbourhood of this topic, I chose to contribute to it because I believe it is deserving of an encyclopaedic entry. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commercialindustrial" title="User talk:Commercialindustrial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Commercialindustrial-20241128013100-331dot-20241127091700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241128013100-331dot-20241127091700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commercialindustrial-20241128013100-331dot-20241127091700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978" data-mw-thread-id="h-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978-November_27-20241127084900"><span id="08:49.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978-November_27-20241127084900"></span>08:49, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Maumau1978<span data-mw-comment-end="h-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978-November_27-20241127084900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_27&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: 08:49, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Maumau1978"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Maumau1978&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Maumau1978 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maumau1978-20241127084900-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978"></span>Maumau1978</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maumau1978" title="User talk:Maumau1978">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maumau1978" title="Special:Contributions/Maumau1978">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Maumau1978&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=08%3A49%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Maumau1978">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Automad" title="Draft:Automad">Draft:Automad</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Automad&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Automad" title="Draft talk:Automad">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Automad&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Automad">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Automad&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAutomad">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Dear help desk team, </p><p>I would like to provide better source for my draft on Automad. Therefore I have the two following questions: </p><p>1. Is it ok to use references in other languages. In example having an article written in English that references a webpage written in German? 2. I can see that articles about related subjects in the same space provide a similar set of sources such as the pages of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drupal">Drupal</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt_(CMS)">Bolt</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMSimple">CMSimple</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grav_(CMS)">Grav</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMS_Made_Simple">Made-Simple</a>, just to name a few. More can be found <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems">here</a> in the PHP section. What is the main difference here and how can I improve my article to be notable? </p><p>Thank you in advance and all the best! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Maumau1978&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Maumau1978 (page does not exist)">Maumau1978</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maumau1978" title="User talk:Maumau1978">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Maumau1978-20241127084900-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maumau1978-20241127084900-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maumau1978-20241127084900-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241127091100-Maumau1978-20241127084900"></span>References <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NONENG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NONENG">do not need to be in English</a>, as long as they meet all other requirements for being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. It's not a good idea to use any random article as a model or example, as those too could be inappropriate and just not addressed yet by a volunteer. Each article or draft is judged on its own merits and not based on the presence of others that themselves may be inappropriate. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OSE">other stuff exists</a>. If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those that are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GOODARTICLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GOODARTICLE">classified as good articles</a>, which have been examined by the community. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241127091100-Maumau1978-20241127084900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241127091100-Maumau1978-20241127084900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241127091100-Maumau1978-20241127084900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172" data-mw-thread-id="h-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172-November_27-20241127094600"><span id="09:46.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172-November_27-20241127094600"></span>09:46, 27 November 2024 review of submission by 118.69.188.172<span data-mw-comment-end="h-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172-November_27-20241127094600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_27&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: 09:46, 27 November 2024 review of submission by 118.69.188.172"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:118.69.188.172&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:118.69.188.172 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-118.69.188.172-20241127094600-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172"></span>118.69.188.172</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:118.69.188.172" title="User talk:118.69.188.172">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/118.69.188.172" title="Special:Contributions/118.69.188.172">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:118.69.188.172&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=09%3A46%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+118.69.188.172">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:InteliSys_Aviation_System" title="Draft:InteliSys Aviation System">Draft:InteliSys Aviation System</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:InteliSys_Aviation_System&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:InteliSys_Aviation_System" title="Draft talk:InteliSys Aviation System">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:InteliSys_Aviation_System&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:InteliSys_Aviation_System">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:InteliSys_Aviation_System&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AInteliSys+Aviation+System">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Can you advise what I should do improve this article and meet Wikipedia standards? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/118.69.188.172" title="Special:Contributions/118.69.188.172">118.69.188.172</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:118.69.188.172" title="User talk:118.69.188.172">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-118.69.188.172-20241127094600-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-118.69.188.172-20241127094600-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-118.69.188.172-20241127094600-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241127103900-118.69.188.172-20241127094600"></span>You have resubmitted it for review, the reviewer will leave you feedback. Please see the messages left by the previous reviewers. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241127103900-118.69.188.172-20241127094600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241127103900-118.69.188.172-20241127094600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241127103900-118.69.188.172-20241127094600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel" data-mw-thread-id="h-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel-November_27-20241127110300"><span id="11:03.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel-November_27-20241127110300"></span>11:03, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Kwame lemuel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel-November_27-20241127110300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_27&action=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section: 11:03, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Kwame lemuel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kwame_lemuel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kwame lemuel (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel"></span>Kwame lemuel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kwame_lemuel" title="User talk:Kwame lemuel">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kwame_lemuel" title="Special:Contributions/Kwame lemuel">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:KWEKU_SMOKE">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:KWEKU_SMOKE&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AKWEKU+SMOKE">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>my project was deniad <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kwame_lemuel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kwame lemuel (page does not exist)">Kwame lemuel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kwame_lemuel" title="User talk:Kwame lemuel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241127110800-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kwame_lemuel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kwame lemuel (page does not exist)">Kwame lemuel</a> your poorly-formatted draft was declined, meaning you can still improve it and resubmit. The formatting seems to be <a href="/wiki/Markdown" title="Markdown">Markdown</a> - did you copy this from somewhere? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CanonNi-20241127110800-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241127110800-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_27&action=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section: 18:31, 27 November 2024 review of submission by YamunaIRE"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YamunaIRE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YamunaIRE (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YamunaIRE-20241127183100-18:31,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_YamunaIRE"></span>YamunaIRE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YamunaIRE" title="User talk:YamunaIRE">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/YamunaIRE" title="Special:Contributions/YamunaIRE">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" 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class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Art_1">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Art_1&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AArt+1">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Why does this page have to be speedy deleted? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YamunaIRE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YamunaIRE (page does not exist)">YamunaIRE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YamunaIRE" title="User talk:YamunaIRE">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-YamunaIRE-20241127183100-18:31,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_YamunaIRE" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YamunaIRE-20241127183100-18:31,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_YamunaIRE"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YamunaIRE-20241127183100-18:31,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_YamunaIRE"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241127183400-YamunaIRE-20241127183100"></span>Because it's AI-generated spam, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YamunaIRE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YamunaIRE (page does not exist)">YamunaIRE</a>. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241127183400-YamunaIRE-20241127183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241127183400-YamunaIRE-20241127183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241127183400-YamunaIRE-20241127183100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="18:42,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WIKI.THEMASTER" data-mw-thread-id="h-18:42,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WIKI.THEMASTER-November_27-20241127184200"><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=User:WIKI.THEMASTER&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WIKI.THEMASTER (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200-18:42,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WIKI.THEMASTER"></span>WIKI.THEMASTER</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WIKI.THEMASTER" title="User talk:WIKI.THEMASTER">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/WIKI.THEMASTER" title="Special:Contributions/WIKI.THEMASTER">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WIKI.THEMASTER&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=18%3A42%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+WIKI.THEMASTER">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Florida_Online_Basic_Driver_Improvement_Course" title="Draft:Florida Online Basic Driver Improvement Course">Draft:Florida Online Basic Driver Improvement Course</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Florida_Online_Basic_Driver_Improvement_Course&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Florida_Online_Basic_Driver_Improvement_Course" title="Draft talk:Florida Online Basic Driver Improvement Course">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Florida_Online_Basic_Driver_Improvement_Course&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Florida_Online_Basic_Driver_Improvement_Course">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Florida_Online_Basic_Driver_Improvement_Course&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AFlorida+Online+Basic+Driver+Improvement+Course">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I'm creating a page to explain the benefits of taking online traffic school, trying to understand the approval process <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WIKI.THEMASTER&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WIKI.THEMASTER (page does not exist)">WIKI.THEMASTER</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WIKI.THEMASTER" title="User talk:WIKI.THEMASTER">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200-18:42,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WIKI.THEMASTER" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200-18:42,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WIKI.THEMASTER"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200-18:42,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WIKI.THEMASTER"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241127184900-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WIKI.THEMASTER&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WIKI.THEMASTER (page does not exist)">WIKI.THEMASTER</a>, Wikipedia doesn't host AI-generated essays or how-to guides. Wikipedia articles are summaries of independent reliable secondary sources. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241127184900-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241127184900-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241127184900-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241127190600-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WIKI.THEMASTER&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WIKI.THEMASTER (page does not exist)">WIKI.THEMASTER</a>:</span> <b>This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further.</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LLM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LLM">We don't accept AI-generated text <i>anywhere</i> on Wikipedia</a> due to its inability to stay on-topic and its tendency to <a href="/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)" title="Hallucination (artificial intelligence)">make things up out of whole cloth</a> to support whatever arguments the prompt demands. We also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research" title="Wikipedia:No original research">do not accept essays or other forms of original research</a> no matter if it is written by a human or an AI chatbot. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241127190600-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241127190600-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241127190600-WIKI.THEMASTER-20241127184200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="21:00,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81" data-mw-thread-id="h-21:00,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81-November_27-20241127210000"><span id="21:00.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-21:00,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81-November_27-20241127210000"></span>21:00, 27 November 2024 review of submission by 70.23.62.81<span data-mw-comment-end="h-21:00,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81-November_27-20241127210000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_27&action=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section: 21:00, 27 November 2024 review of submission by 70.23.62.81"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:70.23.62.81&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:70.23.62.81 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-70.23.62.81-20241127210000-21:00,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81"></span>70.23.62.81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:70.23.62.81" title="User talk:70.23.62.81">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.23.62.81" title="Special:Contributions/70.23.62.81">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.23.62.81&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=21%3A00%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+70.23.62.81">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Gloria_Sabra" title="Draft:Gloria Sabra">Draft:Gloria Sabra</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Gloria_Sabra&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Gloria_Sabra" title="Draft talk:Gloria Sabra">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Gloria_Sabra&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Gloria_Sabra">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Gloria_Sabra&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AGloria+Sabra">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hello, I am a manager for musician Gloria Sabra. Please either approve the page for musician Gloria Sabra, or re-edit to have it approved. You can check that Gloria is a musician and her music is available on major music streaming platforms. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.23.62.81" title="Special:Contributions/70.23.62.81">70.23.62.81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:70.23.62.81" title="User talk:70.23.62.81">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-70.23.62.81-20241127210000-21:00,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.23.62.81-20241127210000-21:00,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.23.62.81-20241127210000-21:00,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.23.62.81"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241127224700-70.23.62.81-20241127210000"></span>First, the draft was rejected (not just declined) on 8 November, as not sufficiently notable for Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>Secondly, if you are her manager, then you <b>must</b> make a formal declaration of your status as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid_editor" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Paid editor">paid editor</a>. This is a requirement of its terms of service.</dd> <dd>Thirdly, Wikipedia is not social media or a listing service. It is not enough that Sabra is a musician or that her music is available. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and any article about her should be based almost 100% on what people wholly unconnected with her have chosen to publish about her in reliably published sources, nothing else. Your draft, even after three declines, cites not one reliable source, and therefore makes no claim that she meets Wikipedia's criteria on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241127224700-70.23.62.81-20241127210000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241127224700-70.23.62.81-20241127210000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241127224700-70.23.62.81-20241127210000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_28" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_28-20241128051100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_28-20241128051100"></span>November 28<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_28-20241128051100"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: November 28"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="05:11,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak" data-mw-thread-id="h-05:11,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak-November_28-20241128051100"><span id="05:11.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-05:11,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak-November_28-20241128051100"></span>05:11, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Mackmahak<span data-mw-comment-end="h-05:11,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak-November_28-20241128051100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: 05:11, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Mackmahak"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mackmahak&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mackmahak (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mackmahak-20241128051100-05:11,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak"></span>Mackmahak</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mackmahak" title="User talk:Mackmahak">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mackmahak" title="Special:Contributions/Mackmahak">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mackmahak&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=05%3A11%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Mackmahak">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Radhika_Gupta" title="Draft:Radhika Gupta">Draft:Radhika Gupta</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Radhika_Gupta&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Radhika_Gupta&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Radhika Gupta (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Radhika_Gupta&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Radhika_Gupta">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Radhika_Gupta&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ARadhika+Gupta">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>can you help me to understand what Wikipedia can carry...as per the guidelines we have added the content <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mackmahak&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mackmahak (page does not exist)">Mackmahak</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mackmahak" title="User talk:Mackmahak">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Mackmahak-20241128051100-05:11,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mackmahak-20241128051100-05:11,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mackmahak-20241128051100-05:11,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mackmahak"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128071000-Mackmahak-20241128051100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mackmahak&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mackmahak (page does not exist)">Mackmahak</a>: I'm not sure what you're asking, but this draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128071000-Mackmahak-20241128051100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128071000-Mackmahak-20241128051100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128071000-Mackmahak-20241128051100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="06:19,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus" data-mw-thread-id="h-06:19,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus-November_28-20241128061900"><span id="06:19.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-06:19,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus-November_28-20241128061900"></span>06:19, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Sujitbus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-06:19,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus-November_28-20241128061900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: 06:19, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Sujitbus"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sujitbus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sujitbus (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sujitbus-20241128061900-06:19,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus"></span>Sujitbus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sujitbus" title="User talk:Sujitbus">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sujitbus" title="Special:Contributions/Sujitbus">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sujitbus&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=06%3A19%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Sujitbus">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Sujit_Kumar_Mishra" title="Draft:Sujit Kumar Mishra">Draft:Sujit Kumar Mishra</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sujit_Kumar_Mishra&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Sujit_Kumar_Mishra" title="Draft talk:Sujit Kumar Mishra">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sujit_Kumar_Mishra&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Sujit_Kumar_Mishra">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sujit_Kumar_Mishra&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASujit+Kumar+Mishra">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hi Admin, The edit text for my biography has been declined. So I want to know how I can Fixed the issue. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sujitbus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sujitbus (page does not exist)">Sujitbus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sujitbus" title="User talk:Sujitbus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sujitbus-20241128061900-06:19,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sujitbus-20241128061900-06:19,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sujitbus-20241128061900-06:19,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujitbus"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128070500-Sujitbus-20241128061900"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sujitbus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sujitbus (page does not exist)">Sujitbus</a>: there is insufficient evidence of notability; you need to show how you are notable by either the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTHOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTHOR">WP:AUTHOR</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NACTOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NACTOR">WP:NACTOR</a> standard.</dd> <dd>Also, articles on living people require inline citations. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFB">WP:REFB</a> for advice.</dd> <dd>Finally, if this is about you, please read and understand our autobiography policy <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIO">WP:AUTOBIO</a>. In short, autobiographies are very strongly discouraged. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128070500-Sujitbus-20241128061900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128070500-Sujitbus-20241128061900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128070500-Sujitbus-20241128061900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sujitbus-20241129091700-DoubleGrazing-20241128070500"></span>Hi DoubleGrazing,</dd> <dd>Yes It's my autobiography. inline citations is missing on my bio page. So I'll update on same. and I'm fulfill of notability I have articles and I'm award winner Author including actor who's worked on Indian TV shows and some notable movies. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sujitbus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sujitbus (page does not exist)">Sujitbus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sujitbus" title="User talk:Sujitbus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sujitbus-20241129091700-DoubleGrazing-20241128070500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sujitbus-20241129091700-DoubleGrazing-20241128070500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sujitbus-20241129091700-DoubleGrazing-20241128070500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241129092500-Sujitbus-20241129091700"></span>I'd also suggest that you read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROUD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROUD">WP:PROUD</a>. There are good reasons to not want an article about yourself. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241129092500-Sujitbus-20241129091700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241129092500-Sujitbus-20241129091700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241129092500-Sujitbus-20241129091700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="07:47,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale" data-mw-thread-id="h-07:47,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale-November_28-20241128074700"><span id="07:47.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-07:47,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale-November_28-20241128074700"></span>07:47, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Tizzythewhale<span data-mw-comment-end="h-07:47,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale-November_28-20241128074700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: 07:47, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Tizzythewhale"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Tizzythewhale" title="User:Tizzythewhale"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tizzythewhale-20241128074700-07:47,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale"></span>Tizzythewhale</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tizzythewhale" title="User talk:Tizzythewhale">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tizzythewhale" title="Special:Contributions/Tizzythewhale">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tizzythewhale&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=07%3A47%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Tizzythewhale">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Sachin_Jakhar" title="Draft:Sachin Jakhar">Draft:Sachin Jakhar</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sachin_Jakhar&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Sachin_Jakhar" title="Draft talk:Sachin Jakhar">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sachin_Jakhar&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Sachin_Jakhar">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sachin_Jakhar&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASachin+Jakhar">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>any suggestions for this article to get accepted in wiki <a href="/wiki/User:Tizzythewhale" title="User:Tizzythewhale">Tizzythewhale</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tizzythewhale" title="User talk:Tizzythewhale">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Tizzythewhale-20241128074700-07:47,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tizzythewhale-20241128074700-07:47,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tizzythewhale-20241128074700-07:47,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tizzythewhale"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128075000-Tizzythewhale-20241128074700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tizzythewhale" title="User:Tizzythewhale">Tizzythewhale</a>: this draft was rejected (months ago) for lack of evidence of notability. If you wish to appeal the rejection, you need to take your case to the rejecting reviewer, with evidence of notability. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128075000-Tizzythewhale-20241128074700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:50, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128075000-Tizzythewhale-20241128074700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128075000-Tizzythewhale-20241128074700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="07:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger" data-mw-thread-id="h-07:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger-November_28-20241128075300"><span id="07:53.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-07:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger-November_28-20241128075300"></span>07:53, 28 November 2024 review of submission by AviKluger<span data-mw-comment-end="h-07:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger-November_28-20241128075300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: 07:53, 28 November 2024 review of submission by AviKluger"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:AviKluger" title="User:AviKluger"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AviKluger-20241128075300-07:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger"></span>AviKluger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AviKluger" title="User talk:AviKluger">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AviKluger" title="Special:Contributions/AviKluger">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AviKluger&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=07%3A53%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+AviKluger">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:The_Feedforward_Interview" title="Draft:The Feedforward Interview">Draft:The Feedforward Interview</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Feedforward_Interview&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:The_Feedforward_Interview" title="Draft talk:The Feedforward Interview">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Feedforward_Interview&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:The_Feedforward_Interview">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Feedforward_Interview&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AThe+Feedforward+Interview">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>My Draft was rejected: "This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner." I am interested in improving the Draft so it might be accepted in the future. Yet, I did not understand the comments. For example, it says, "Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources," while my Draft contains 27 peer-reviewed journal articles as secondary resources. What am I missing here? Could you please direct me to existing entries considered exemplary in this domain so they can serve as a model for improving my Draft? <a href="/wiki/User:AviKluger" title="User:AviKluger">AviKluger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AviKluger" title="User talk:AviKluger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-AviKluger-20241128075300-07:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AviKluger-20241128075300-07:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AviKluger-20241128075300-07:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AviKluger"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181900-AviKluger-20241128075300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AviKluger" title="User:AviKluger">AviKluger</a>:</span> This reads more like a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">research paper about the method</a>, mixed with an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#HOWTO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">instruction manual on how to do it</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181900-AviKluger-20241128075300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181900-AviKluger-20241128075300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181900-AviKluger-20241128075300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AviKluger-20241129102200-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano">Jéské Couriano</a> thank you very much for this helpful clarification. Could you please suggest a few model entries in related fields so I can attempt to revise my entry successfully? Avi <a href="/wiki/User:AviKluger" title="User:AviKluger">AviKluger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AviKluger" title="User talk:AviKluger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-AviKluger-20241129102200-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:22, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AviKluger-20241129102200-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AviKluger-20241129102200-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="08:24,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk" data-mw-thread-id="h-08:24,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk-November_28-20241128082400"><span id="08:24.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-08:24,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk-November_28-20241128082400"></span>08:24, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Wertk<span data-mw-comment-end="h-08:24,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk-November_28-20241128082400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: 08:24, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Wertk"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Wertk" title="User:Wertk"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wertk-20241128082400-08:24,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk"></span>Wertk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wertk" title="User talk:Wertk">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wertk" title="Special:Contributions/Wertk">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wertk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=08%3A24%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Wertk">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Islamabad_Massacre" title="Draft:Islamabad Massacre">Draft:Islamabad Massacre</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Islamabad_Massacre&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Islamabad_Massacre" title="Draft talk:Islamabad Massacre">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Islamabad_Massacre&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Islamabad_Massacre">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Islamabad_Massacre&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AIslamabad+Massacre">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I do agree with the "not sufficient content" as this article requires more info & citations but "Submission should be merged into an existing article" with Arrest_of_Imran_Khan is not ideal because that event happened in 9 May 2023. The indiscriminate killing of civilians by security forces in Islamabad happened on 26 Nov 2024 with at "least" confirmed deaths of 17 individuals as per the Guardian newspaper. Event of this magnitude deserve its own page and we have many such examples on wikipedia. Perhaps the name could be changed to less charged language like '26 November Incident'. <a href="/wiki/User:Wertk" title="User:Wertk">Wertk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wertk" title="User talk:Wertk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Wertk-20241128082400-08:24,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wertk-20241128082400-08:24,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wertk-20241128082400-08:24,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wertk"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128091100-Wertk-20241128082400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wertk" title="User:Wertk">Wertk</a>: okay... so what is your question? This draft has been resubmitted (without any improvement, which is never a good idea, although I can see some edits were made after that), so you will get a new review sooner or later.</dd> <dd>If you haven't already done so, you may want to review our guideline on notability of events, at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EVENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EVENT">WP:EVENT</a>. Given that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and not a news outlet, just because an event has occurred doesn't necessarily mean that we should have an article on it. (Note, I'm not saying that we should <i>not</i> have an article on this particular event, just making a general point.) -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128091100-Wertk-20241128082400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128091100-Wertk-20241128082400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128091100-Wertk-20241128082400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241128091200-Wertk-20241128082400"></span>If you feel that the reviewers have gotten it wrong, you are free to move the draft into the encyclopedia yourself(though it's not a good idea unless you have experience in having articles accepted, which you don't). This process is (usually) voluntary. You would be taking the risk, though, that it would get nominated for deletion. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241128091200-Wertk-20241128082400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241128091200-Wertk-20241128082400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241128091200-Wertk-20241128082400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128182000-331dot-20241128091200"></span>This would be declined since <a href="/wiki/PTI_do-or-die_protest" class="mw-redirect" title="PTI do-or-die protest">we already have an article on this</a>, and this falls into a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CT/IPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CT/IPA">contentious</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contentious_topics" title="Wikipedia:Contentious topics">topic</a> anyway. New users should stay as far away from contentious topics as possible. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128182000-331dot-20241128091200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128182000-331dot-20241128091200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128182000-331dot-20241128091200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="08:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest" data-mw-thread-id="h-08:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest-November_28-20241128083700"><span id="08:37.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-08:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest-November_28-20241128083700"></span>08:37, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Anonpriest<span data-mw-comment-end="h-08:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest-November_28-20241128083700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: 08:37, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Anonpriest"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Anonpriest&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Anonpriest (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anonpriest-20241128083700-08:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest"></span>Anonpriest</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anonpriest" title="User talk:Anonpriest">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Anonpriest" title="Special:Contributions/Anonpriest">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anonpriest&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=08%3A37%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Anonpriest">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Azar_Habib" title="Draft:Azar Habib">Draft:Azar Habib</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Azar_Habib&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Azar_Habib" title="Draft talk:Azar Habib">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Azar_Habib&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Azar_Habib">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Azar_Habib&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAzar+Habib">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>The draft was declined because of it's resources. I would assistance on finding other resources if any and if possible to mention why the resources I provided were not adequate. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Anonpriest&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Anonpriest (page does not exist)">Anonpriest</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anonpriest" title="User talk:Anonpriest">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Anonpriest-20241128083700-08:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anonpriest-20241128083700-08:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anonpriest-20241128083700-08:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Anonpriest"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128090600-Anonpriest-20241128083700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Anonpriest&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Anonpriest (page does not exist)">Anonpriest</a>: to be more precise, this draft was declined because it does not demonstrate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, which, indeed, is usually a problem with the sources. You should be writing this by summarising what reliable and independent sources have said about the subject, and then citing those sources as its references. Assuming that's what you have done, then it could be that the subject really isn't notable enough. In any case, we don't do the research for you, that's very much your job as the draft author. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128090600-Anonpriest-20241128083700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128090600-Anonpriest-20241128083700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128090600-Anonpriest-20241128083700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suspicious_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suspicious_message-November_28-20241128085100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suspicious_message-November_28-20241128085100"></span>Suspicious message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suspicious_message-November_28-20241128085100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Suspicious message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lstr1-20241128085100-Suspicious_message"></span>Hi, </p><p>I received message from Laiba Fareed stating that against 1000$ she will approve my article and will maintain it for the next 8 months. I see this as a potential scam but as long as this is my first article in Wikipedia I am not sure if this is just a scam or this is some agent working for Wikipedia and trying to win some extra cash for work which is usually free. Strange aspect of the conversation was that the conversation happened in WhatsApp not in the Wikipedia website (as normally happened till now). Could you please provide me with some information and also check what is the status of my draft because I think that I am pretty close to approval and she knows it (if she really is a moderator for Wikipedia) and just before publishing the article she tries to earn extra money. I am open to hear your opinion and I hope that soon my article will be approved :) </p><p>Best Regards, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lstr1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lstr1 (page does not exist)">Lstr1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lstr1" title="User talk:Lstr1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Lstr1-20241128085100-Suspicious_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lstr1-20241128085100-Suspicious_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lstr1-20241128085100-Suspicious_message"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241128090100-Lstr1-20241128085100"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lstr1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lstr1 (page does not exist)">Lstr1</a>, <b>that is a scam</b> and unfortunately a common one. Wikipedia will <b>never ask for money in exchange for editing services.</b></dd> <dd>Please immediately follow the instructions at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Scam_warning" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning">Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning</a> and report the user to the Wikimedia Foundation. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241128090100-Lstr1-20241128085100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241128090100-Lstr1-20241128085100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241128090100-Lstr1-20241128085100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128090200-Lstr1-20241128085100"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lstr1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lstr1 (page does not exist)">Lstr1</a>: I've no idea who Laida Fareed is, but you're right, this is almost certainly a scam; see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SCAM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SCAM">WP:SCAM</a> for advice on dealing with it. And do not pay any money, there's a high chance you won't get anything for it, nor get it back. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128090200-Lstr1-20241128085100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128090200-Lstr1-20241128085100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128090200-Lstr1-20241128085100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lstr1-20241128092200-DoubleGrazing-20241128090200"></span>Thank you all for the fast response. I will definitely report this lady. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lstr1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lstr1 (page does not exist)">Lstr1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lstr1" title="User talk:Lstr1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Lstr1-20241128092200-DoubleGrazing-20241128090200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lstr1-20241128092200-DoubleGrazing-20241128090200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lstr1-20241128092200-DoubleGrazing-20241128090200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="09:29,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu" data-mw-thread-id="h-09:29,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu-November_28-20241128092900"><span id="09:29.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-09:29,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu-November_28-20241128092900"></span>09:29, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Epiphytehsu<span data-mw-comment-end="h-09:29,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu-November_28-20241128092900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: 09:29, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Epiphytehsu"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Epiphytehsu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Epiphytehsu (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epiphytehsu-20241128092900-09:29,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu"></span>Epiphytehsu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Epiphytehsu" title="User talk:Epiphytehsu">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Epiphytehsu" title="Special:Contributions/Epiphytehsu">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Epiphytehsu&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=09%3A29%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Epiphytehsu">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Taiwan_champion_trees" title="Draft:Taiwan champion trees">Draft:Taiwan champion trees</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Taiwan_champion_trees&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Taiwan_champion_trees" title="Draft talk:Taiwan champion trees">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Taiwan_champion_trees&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Taiwan_champion_trees">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Taiwan_champion_trees&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ATaiwan+champion+trees">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I need an advice for how did the article "contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia". <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Epiphytehsu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Epiphytehsu (page does not exist)">Epiphytehsu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Epiphytehsu" title="User talk:Epiphytehsu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Epiphytehsu-20241128092900-09:29,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epiphytehsu-20241128092900-09:29,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epiphytehsu-20241128092900-09:29,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Epiphytehsu"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="10:33,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia" data-mw-thread-id="h-10:33,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia-November_28-20241128103300"><span id="10:33.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-10:33,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia-November_28-20241128103300"></span>10:33, 28 November 2024 review of submission by IlikeCubepidia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-10:33,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia-November_28-20241128103300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: 10:33, 28 November 2024 review of submission by IlikeCubepidia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IlikeCubepidia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IlikeCubepidia (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300-10:33,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia"></span>IlikeCubepidia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IlikeCubepidia" title="User talk:IlikeCubepidia">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/IlikeCubepidia" title="Special:Contributions/IlikeCubepidia">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:IlikeCubepidia&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=10%3A33%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+IlikeCubepidia">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=How_to_open_chromebook_while_holding_a_full_glass_of_water_containing_cocunut_juice%3F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="How to open chromebook while holding a full glass of water containing cocunut juice? (page does not exist)">How to open chromebook while holding a full glass of water containing cocunut juice?</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_open_chromebook_while_holding_a_full_glass_of_water_containing_cocunut_juice%3F&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:How_to_open_chromebook_while_holding_a_full_glass_of_water_containing_cocunut_juice%3F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:How to open chromebook while holding a full glass of water containing cocunut juice? (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_open_chromebook_while_holding_a_full_glass_of_water_containing_cocunut_juice%3F&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:How_to_open_chromebook_while_holding_a_full_glass_of_water_containing_cocunut_juice%3F">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_open_chromebook_while_holding_a_full_glass_of_water_containing_cocunut_juice%3F&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3AHow+to+open+chromebook+while+holding+a+full+glass+of+water+containing+cocunut+juice%3F">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Dear Reader, </p><p>I trust this message finds you well. As part of my ongoing efforts to craft a comprehensive and highly informative tutorial, I am focusing on the nuanced task of opening a Chromebook while simultaneously holding a full glass of coconut juice. It would be nice if you gave me any tips or improvments for next time because my article got rejected which i could not understand why. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IlikeCubepidia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IlikeCubepidia (page does not exist)">IlikeCubepidia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IlikeCubepidia" title="User talk:IlikeCubepidia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300-10:33,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300-10:33,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300-10:33,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_IlikeCubepidia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241128103600-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300"></span>Please don't vandalise Wikipedia, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IlikeCubepidia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IlikeCubepidia (page does not exist)">IlikeCubepidia</a>, which is what your draft was. You may be blocked from editing if you vandalise further. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241128103600-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241128103600-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241128103600-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128103700-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IlikeCubepidia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IlikeCubepidia (page does not exist)">IlikeCubepidia</a>: I've deleted your draft (such as it was), as it clearly had nothing to do with our objective of building an encyclopaedia. Please find a different platform for your tutorials. Thank you. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128103700-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128103700-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128103700-IlikeCubepidia-20241128103300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000-DoubleGrazing-20241128103700"></span>I am very sorry and did not have any intent to vandilize wikipedia but its just very hard to find things to write about that someone else hasnt written about these days. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IlikeCubepidia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IlikeCubepidia (page does not exist)">IlikeCubepidia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IlikeCubepidia" title="User talk:IlikeCubepidia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000-DoubleGrazing-20241128103700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000-DoubleGrazing-20241128103700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000-DoubleGrazing-20241128103700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128104200-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IlikeCubepidia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IlikeCubepidia (page does not exist)">IlikeCubepidia</a>: there are countless ways to contribute here, besides creating new articles. In fact, new users would be well advised to contribute in just about any other way, before attempting to write their first article. I will post some suggestions on your talk page. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128104200-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128104200-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128104200-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241128104300-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IlikeCubepidia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IlikeCubepidia (page does not exist)">IlikeCubepidia</a> Check out <a href="/wiki/Special:Homepage" title="Special:Homepage">Special:Homepage</a> which includes suggested edits to existing articles which would be a really good place to start. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241128104300-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241128104300-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241128104300-IlikeCubepidia-20241128104000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="10:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms" data-mw-thread-id="h-10:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms-November_28-20241128103700"><span id="10:37.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-10:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms-November_28-20241128103700"></span>10:37, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Purnarthapms<span data-mw-comment-end="h-10:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms-November_28-20241128103700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: 10:37, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Purnarthapms"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Purnarthapms" title="User:Purnarthapms"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purnarthapms-20241128103700-10:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms"></span>Purnarthapms</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purnarthapms" title="User talk:Purnarthapms">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Purnarthapms" title="Special:Contributions/Purnarthapms">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Purnarthapms&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=10%3A37%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Purnarthapms">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rahul_Rathi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Rahul Rathi (page does not exist)">Draft:Rahul Rathi</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rahul_Rathi&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Rahul_Rathi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Rahul Rathi (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rahul_Rathi&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Rahul_Rathi">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rahul_Rathi&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ARahul+Rathi">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I wish to know in detail why the request was declined. Moreover, this is the page of a renowned Indian Entrepreneur. In the reference section, all the key references have been provided pertaining to the person. Request you to kindly review the same. <a href="/wiki/User:Purnarthapms" title="User:Purnarthapms">Purnarthapms</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purnarthapms" title="User talk:Purnarthapms">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Purnarthapms-20241128103700-10:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purnarthapms-20241128103700-10:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purnarthapms-20241128103700-10:37,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Purnarthapms"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128103900-Purnarthapms-20241128103700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Purnarthapms" title="User:Purnarthapms">Purnarthapms</a>: because it was purely promotional, with no evidence of notability.</dd> <dd>And you clearly have a conflict of interest, which must be disclosed without delay. I've already posted instructions on your talk page. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128103900-Purnarthapms-20241128103700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128103900-Purnarthapms-20241128103700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128103900-Purnarthapms-20241128103700"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purnarthapms-20241128104100-DoubleGrazing-20241128103900"></span>There is no undisclosed payment. I am an employee of this company and I have posted the information of my owner. Kindly explain how this can be an undisclosed payment. I have also included all the credible references for you to ensure the correctness of the content. Do let me know what else do you need. <a href="/wiki/User:Purnarthapms" title="User:Purnarthapms">Purnarthapms</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purnarthapms" title="User talk:Purnarthapms">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Purnarthapms-20241128104100-DoubleGrazing-20241128103900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purnarthapms-20241128104100-DoubleGrazing-20241128103900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purnarthapms-20241128104100-DoubleGrazing-20241128103900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241128104200-Purnarthapms-20241128104100"></span>As you are an employee, it is mandatory that you make a declaration on your User Page. Follow the instructions at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAID">WP:PAID</a> immediately. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241128104200-Purnarthapms-20241128104100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241128104200-Purnarthapms-20241128104100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241128104200-Purnarthapms-20241128104100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128104400-Purnarthapms-20241128104100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Purnarthapms" title="User:Purnarthapms">Purnarthapms</a>: your very next edit should be to disclose your paid-editing status, before you find yourself blocked.</dd> <dd>And please don't open a new thread with each comment, just add to this thread. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128104400-Purnarthapms-20241128104100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128104400-Purnarthapms-20241128104100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128104400-Purnarthapms-20241128104100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purnarthapms-20241128110000-DoubleGrazing-20241128104400"></span>I have upaded the user page as per the guidelines. Request you to kindly help me publish the draft again. <a href="/wiki/User:Purnarthapms" title="User:Purnarthapms">Purnarthapms</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purnarthapms" title="User talk:Purnarthapms">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Purnarthapms-20241128110000-DoubleGrazing-20241128104400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purnarthapms-20241128110000-DoubleGrazing-20241128104400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purnarthapms-20241128110000-DoubleGrazing-20241128104400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241128110200-Purnarthapms-20241128110000"></span>Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:Purnarthapms" title="User:Purnarthapms">Purnarthapms</a>. Unfortunately your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Username_policy" title="Wikipedia:Username policy">username is against policy</a> and you will need to change it.</dd> <dd>As for <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rahul_Rathi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Rahul Rathi (page does not exist)">Draft:Rahul Rathi</a>, I see no indication that this person meets our strict notability criteria. The draft is also written in an inappropriate way for an encyclopaedia. Therefore the draft will not be published.</dd> <dd>Have a read of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:When_your_boss_tells_you_to_edit_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia">Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia</a>. Let me know if you have any further questions. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241128110200-Purnarthapms-20241128110000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241128110200-Purnarthapms-20241128110000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241128110200-Purnarthapms-20241128110000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="13:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi" data-mw-thread-id="h-13:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi-November_28-20241128135300"><span id="13:53.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-13:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi-November_28-20241128135300"></span>13:53, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Mayommugezi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-13:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi-November_28-20241128135300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: 13:53, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Mayommugezi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Mayommugezi" title="User:Mayommugezi"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mayommugezi-20241128135300-13:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi"></span>Mayommugezi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mayommugezi" title="User talk:Mayommugezi">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mayommugezi" title="Special:Contributions/Mayommugezi">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mayommugezi&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=13%3A53%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Mayommugezi">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Mayom_Mayom_Atem" title="Draft:Mayom Mayom Atem">Draft:Mayom Mayom Atem</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Mayom_Mayom_Atem&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Mayom_Mayom_Atem" title="Draft talk:Mayom Mayom Atem">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Mayom_Mayom_Atem&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Mayom_Mayom_Atem">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Mayom_Mayom_Atem&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AMayom+Mayom+Atem">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I want to know what is missing on my article? <a href="/wiki/User:Mayommugezi" title="User:Mayommugezi">Mayommugezi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mayommugezi" title="User talk:Mayommugezi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Mayommugezi-20241128135300-13:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mayommugezi-20241128135300-13:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mayommugezi-20241128135300-13:53,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mayommugezi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241128135900-Mayommugezi-20241128135300"></span>There is no indication that Mayom meets our special notability criteria, @<a href="/wiki/User:Mayommugezi" title="User:Mayommugezi">Mayommugezi</a>. You can find the criteria at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPEOPLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPEOPLE">WP:NPEOPLE</a>. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241128135900-Mayommugezi-20241128135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241128135900-Mayommugezi-20241128135300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241128135900-Mayommugezi-20241128135300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="15:44,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140" data-mw-thread-id="h-15:44,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140-November_28-20241128154400"><span id="15:44.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-15:44,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140-November_28-20241128154400"></span>15:44, 28 November 2024 review of submission by 102.85.58.140<span data-mw-comment-end="h-15:44,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140-November_28-20241128154400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: 15:44, 28 November 2024 review of submission by 102.85.58.140"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:102.85.58.140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:102.85.58.140 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-102.85.58.140-20241128154400-15:44,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140"></span>102.85.58.140</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:102.85.58.140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:102.85.58.140 (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/102.85.58.140" title="Special:Contributions/102.85.58.140">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:102.85.58.140&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=15%3A44%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+102.85.58.140">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Spyda_MC" title="Draft:Spyda MC">Draft:Spyda MC</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Spyda_MC&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Spyda_MC" title="Draft talk:Spyda MC">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Spyda_MC&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Spyda_MC">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Spyda_MC&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASpyda+MC">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Alimansi Wanzu Ainomugisha well known as Spyda Mc is a Ugandan hip hop rapper, Mc, and Events Host. </p><p>Spyda Mc was born in 1986 Alimansi Wanzu Ainomugisha. He started his music career in early 90s as a Underground Rapper until 2000s and he put his music career on hold to teacher Rap in the Slums of Kampala and outside the country. In 2024 he changed to Afro Beats and released songs like Abantu Mukisa. He released his breakthrough through song "Abantu Mukisa" in 2024 and he was nominated in several awards across the country. Spyda Mc was the first African to do the song cover of Dear Mama by Tupac Shakur. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/102.85.58.140" title="Special:Contributions/102.85.58.140">102.85.58.140</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:102.85.58.140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:102.85.58.140 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-102.85.58.140-20241128154400-15:44,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-102.85.58.140-20241128154400-15:44,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-102.85.58.140-20241128154400-15:44,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_102.85.58.140"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241128154700-102.85.58.140-20241128154400"></span>You don't ask a question, but the draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241128154700-102.85.58.140-20241128154400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241128154700-102.85.58.140-20241128154400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241128154700-102.85.58.140-20241128154400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128155000-102.85.58.140-20241128154400"></span>...and after it has been rejected, you do <i>not</i> resubmit it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128155000-102.85.58.140-20241128154400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128155000-102.85.58.140-20241128154400"><span 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href="/wiki/User_talk:P.S_Parvez_islam" title="User talk:P.S Parvez islam">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/P.S_Parvez_islam" title="Special:Contributions/P.S Parvez islam">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:P.S_Parvez_islam&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=16%3A28%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+P.S+Parvez+islam">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:MD_Parvez_Islam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:MD Parvez Islam (page does not exist)">Draft:MD Parvez Islam</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:MD_Parvez_Islam&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:MD_Parvez_Islam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:MD Parvez Islam (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:MD_Parvez_Islam&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:MD_Parvez_Islam">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:MD_Parvez_Islam&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AMD+Parvez+Islam">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>My life line <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:P.S_Parvez_islam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:P.S Parvez islam (page does not exist)">P.S Parvez islam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:P.S_Parvez_islam" title="User talk:P.S Parvez islam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800-16:28,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_P.S_Parvez_islam" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800-16:28,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_P.S_Parvez_islam"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800-16:28,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_P.S_Parvez_islam"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241128163600-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800"></span>This is the English Wikipedia, your draft needs to be in English. If you would prefer to contribute in Hindi, please go to the Hindi Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves, please read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTO">autobiography policy</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241128163600-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241128163600-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241128163600-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128163700-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:P.S_Parvez_islam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:P.S Parvez islam (page does not exist)">P.S Parvez islam</a>: that's not a question, did you have one in mind you wanted to ask? -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128163700-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128163700-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128163700-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128164300-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:P.S_Parvez_islam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:P.S Parvez islam (page does not exist)">P.S Parvez islam</a>: do not do that again, you are already getting quite close to a block even without spamming this help desk. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128164300-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128164300-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128164300-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128162800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MD_parvez_islam" data-mw-thread-id="h-MD_parvez_islam-November_28-20241128164900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MD_parvez_islam-November_28-20241128164900"></span>MD parvez islam<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MD_parvez_islam-November_28-20241128164900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: MD parvez islam"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128164900-MD_parvez_islam"></span>My life line <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:P.S_Parvez_islam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:P.S Parvez islam (page does not exist)">P.S Parvez islam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:P.S_Parvez_islam" title="User talk:P.S Parvez islam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128164900-MD_parvez_islam" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128164900-MD_parvez_islam"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128164900-MD_parvez_islam"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241128165200-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128164900"></span>Do you have a question? <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241128165200-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128164900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241128165200-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128164900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241128165200-P.S_Parvez_islam-20241128164900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="18:14,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav" data-mw-thread-id="h-18:14,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav-November_28-20241128181400"><span id="18:14.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-18:14,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav-November_28-20241128181400"></span>18:14, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Ashok76yadav<span data-mw-comment-end="h-18:14,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav-November_28-20241128181400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: 18:14, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Ashok76yadav"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ashok76yadav&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ashok76yadav (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400-18:14,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav"></span>Ashok76yadav</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ashok76yadav" title="User talk:Ashok76yadav">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ashok76yadav" title="Special:Contributions/Ashok76yadav">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ashok76yadav&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=18%3A14%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Ashok76yadav">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ashok76yadav/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ashok76yadav/sandbox (page does not exist)">User:Ashok76yadav/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ashok76yadav/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ashok76yadav/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Ashok76yadav/sandbox (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ashok76yadav/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Ashok76yadav/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ashok76yadav/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AAshok76yadav%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>hello sir way you are rejected my artical <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ashok76yadav&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ashok76yadav (page does not exist)">Ashok76yadav</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ashok76yadav" title="User talk:Ashok76yadav">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400-18:14,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400-18:14,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400-18:14,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ashok76yadav"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181500-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ashok76yadav&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ashok76yadav (page does not exist)">Ashok76yadav</a>:</span> <b>This draft has been rejected as the product of an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LLM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LLM">AI chatbot</a> and will not be considered further unless rewritten by yourself without using the AI.</b> —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181500-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181500-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128181500-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241128181600-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ashok76yadav&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ashok76yadav (page does not exist)">Ashok76yadav</a> AI generated promotional spam, which is prohibited. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241128181600-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241128181600-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241128181600-Ashok76yadav-20241128181400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="18:23,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211" data-mw-thread-id="h-18:23,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211-November_28-20241128182300"><span id="18:23.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-18:23,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211-November_28-20241128182300"></span>18:23, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Edward200211<span data-mw-comment-end="h-18:23,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211-November_28-20241128182300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: 18:23, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Edward200211"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edward200211&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edward200211 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Edward200211-20241128182300-18:23,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211"></span>Edward200211</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edward200211" title="User talk:Edward200211">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Edward200211" title="Special:Contributions/Edward200211">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edward200211&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=18%3A23%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Edward200211">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Edward_Speller" title="Draft:Edward Speller">Draft:Edward Speller</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Edward_Speller&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Edward_Speller&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Edward Speller (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Edward_Speller&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Edward_Speller">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Edward_Speller&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AEdward+Speller">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>What is wrong with the page <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edward200211&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edward200211 (page does not exist)">Edward200211</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edward200211" title="User talk:Edward200211">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Edward200211-20241128182300-18:23,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Edward200211-20241128182300-18:23,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Edward200211-20241128182300-18:23,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edward200211"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241128182500-Edward200211-20241128182300"></span>I'm sorry, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edward200211&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edward200211 (page does not exist)">Edward200211</a>, but Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and doesn't host biographic articles about non-notable Youtubers. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241128182500-Edward200211-20241128182300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241128182500-Edward200211-20241128182300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241128182500-Edward200211-20241128182300"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Edward200211-20241128183700-Qcne-20241128182500"></span>You state this but there are plenty of much less notable people on Wikipedia. Understood that it's an encyclopedia - TheReactionKing (Edward Speller) is known, gathered over 4 Million views across YouTube alone. 12,000,000 if we include all channels. Over, 50,000 subscribers if we add all channels. Theres people on Wiki with just a date of birth and place of birth. This is certainly more notable than a lot of Wiki pages. I request it's accepted. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edward200211&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edward200211 (page does not exist)">Edward200211</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edward200211" title="User talk:Edward200211">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Edward200211-20241128183700-Qcne-20241128182500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Edward200211-20241128183700-Qcne-20241128182500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Edward200211-20241128183700-Qcne-20241128182500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241128184000-Edward200211-20241128183700"></span>Do go ahead and provide three strong reliable independent sources that provide significant coverage of Edward. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241128184000-Edward200211-20241128183700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241128184000-Edward200211-20241128183700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241128184000-Edward200211-20241128183700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241128184300-Qcne-20241128184000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edward200211&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edward200211 (page does not exist)">Edward200211</a> Wikipedia contains many sub-par articles. They usually date from the Wild West days of Wikipedia. Times have changed. There is only so much time we have to clear them out. If you would like to tell us about a few then we will look at them individually. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241128184300-Qcne-20241128184000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241128184300-Qcne-20241128184000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241128184300-Qcne-20241128184000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Edward200211-20241128184500-Timtrent-20241128184300"></span>I would like my draft accepted. I believe 50,000 collective subs as well as 12,000,000 consolidated views is worthy enough of a Wikipedia page. Even more recent pages have less information and popularity than this. Not just "wild west days" of Wikipedia. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edward200211&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edward200211 (page does not exist)">Edward200211</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edward200211" title="User talk:Edward200211">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Edward200211-20241128184500-Timtrent-20241128184300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Edward200211-20241128184500-Timtrent-20241128184300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Edward200211-20241128184500-Timtrent-20241128184300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241128185000-Edward200211-20241128184500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edward200211&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edward200211 (page does not exist)">Edward200211</a> With respect, your desire to have what appears to be your autobiography accepted has no value here. The only thing which has value is references which pass <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a>. There is much work to do. Please do that work, then the rejecting reviewer may consider reversing their rejection. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241128185000-Edward200211-20241128184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241128185000-Edward200211-20241128184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241128185000-Edward200211-20241128184500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241128185000-Edward200211-20241128184500"></span>Viewcounts do not contribute to notability, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edward200211&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edward200211 (page does not exist)">Edward200211</a>. As I've stated, give me some strong reliable independent sources that provide significant coverage and I will assess. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241128185000-Edward200211-20241128184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241128185000-Edward200211-20241128184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241128185000-Edward200211-20241128184500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="18:49,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409" data-mw-thread-id="h-18:49,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409-November_28-20241128184900"><span id="18:49.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-18:49,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409-November_28-20241128184900"></span>18:49, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Adityaksingh409<span data-mw-comment-end="h-18:49,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409-November_28-20241128184900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: 18:49, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Adityaksingh409"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Adityaksingh409" title="User:Adityaksingh409"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900-18:49,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409"></span>Adityaksingh409</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adityaksingh409" title="User talk:Adityaksingh409">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Adityaksingh409" title="Special:Contributions/Adityaksingh409">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Adityaksingh409&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=18%3A49%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Adityaksingh409">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Alfaaz_Singer" title="Draft:Alfaaz Singer">Draft:Alfaaz Singer</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Alfaaz_Singer&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Alfaaz_Singer" title="Draft talk:Alfaaz Singer">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Alfaaz_Singer&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Alfaaz_Singer">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Alfaaz_Singer&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAlfaaz+Singer">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>it's my request to approve my page for an punjabi singer 'Alfaaz" <a href="/wiki/User:Adityaksingh409" title="User:Adityaksingh409">Adityaksingh409</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adityaksingh409" title="User talk:Adityaksingh409">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900-18:49,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900-18:49,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900-18:49,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128185000-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Adityaksingh409" title="User:Adityaksingh409">Adityaksingh409</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">No sources</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">no article</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">no debate</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128185000-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128185000-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241128185000-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241128185200-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Adityaksingh409" title="User:Adityaksingh409">Adityaksingh409</a> totally unreferenced and will not go forward 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241128185200-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241128185200-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241128185200-Adityaksingh409-20241128184900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="23:25,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker" data-mw-thread-id="h-23:25,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker-November_28-20241128232500"><span id="23:25.2C_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-23:25,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker-November_28-20241128232500"></span>23:25, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Orange sticker<span data-mw-comment-end="h-23:25,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker-November_28-20241128232500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: 23:25, 28 November 2024 review of submission by Orange sticker"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Orange_sticker" title="User:Orange sticker"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orange_sticker-20241128232500-23:25,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker"></span>Orange sticker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orange_sticker" title="User talk:Orange sticker">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orange_sticker" title="Special:Contributions/Orange sticker">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Orange_sticker&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=23%3A25%2C+28+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Orange+sticker">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Connor_Ratliff" title="Draft:Connor Ratliff">Draft:Connor Ratliff</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Connor_Ratliff&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Connor_Ratliff" title="Draft talk:Connor Ratliff">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Connor_Ratliff&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Connor_Ratliff">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Connor_Ratliff&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AConnor+Ratliff">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hi there, I submitted this draft for review as I was aware there was already a redirect. Now I have discovered that in the redirect's history there was already a full article, so I have restored this. How can I withdraw this draft from the review queue? <a href="/wiki/User:Orange_sticker" title="User:Orange sticker">Orange sticker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orange_sticker" title="User talk:Orange sticker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Orange_sticker-20241128232500-23:25,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orange_sticker-20241128232500-23:25,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orange_sticker-20241128232500-23:25,_28_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Orange_sticker"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241128233200-Orange_sticker-20241128232500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Orange_sticker" title="User:Orange sticker">Orange sticker</a> <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. I removed the request for review. if you wish for the draft to be deleted please just blank the page, or reply here and sometime will handle that for you 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241128233200-Orange_sticker-20241128232500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241128233200-Orange_sticker-20241128232500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241128233200-Orange_sticker-20241128232500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orange_sticker-20241128234800-Timtrent-20241128233200"></span>Thanks! I'll blank it when I've checked if any of the references can be used on the other article. <a href="/wiki/User:Orange_sticker" title="User:Orange sticker">Orange sticker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orange_sticker" title="User talk:Orange sticker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Orange_sticker-20241128234800-Timtrent-20241128233200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orange_sticker-20241128234800-Timtrent-20241128233200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orange_sticker-20241128234800-Timtrent-20241128233200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_29" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_29-20241129034300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_29-20241129034300"></span>November 29<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_29-20241129034300"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: November 29"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="03:43,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono" data-mw-thread-id="h-03:43,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono-November_29-20241129034300"><span id="03:43.2C_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-03:43,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono-November_29-20241129034300"></span>03:43, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Killianordono<span data-mw-comment-end="h-03:43,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono-November_29-20241129034300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: 03:43, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Killianordono"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Killianordono&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Killianordono (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Killianordono-20241129034300-03:43,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono"></span>Killianordono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Killianordono" title="User talk:Killianordono">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Killianordono" title="Special:Contributions/Killianordono">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Killianordono&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=03%3A43%2C+29+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Killianordono">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Killian_Ordono&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Killian Ordono (page does not exist)">Draft:Killian Ordono</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Killian_Ordono&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Killian_Ordono&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Killian Ordono (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Killian_Ordono&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Killian_Ordono">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Killian_Ordono&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AKillian+Ordono">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>i had to submit multiples times because of people making changes but it is the right requirement for a page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Killianordono&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Killianordono (page does not exist)">Killianordono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Killianordono" title="User talk:Killianordono">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Killianordono-20241129034300-03:43,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Killianordono-20241129034300-03:43,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Killianordono-20241129034300-03:43,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Killianordono"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129034600-Killianordono-20241129034300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Killianordono&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Killianordono (page does not exist)">Killianordono</a>:</span> None of your sources are usable (the only one that <i>isn't</i> an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFFILIATE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFFILIATE">online storefront</a> or social media is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPS">Genius</a>), and even if they were <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">they aren't properly cited</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129034600-Killianordono-20241129034300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129034600-Killianordono-20241129034300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129034600-Killianordono-20241129034300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Killianordono-20241129035500-Jéské_Couriano-20241129034600"></span>properly cited? as in what how do you do that and i didnt know any sources because i myself is making it about me so there really isnt any sources its the actual person who knows themselves the most writing the article. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Killianordono&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Killianordono (page does not exist)">Killianordono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Killianordono" title="User talk:Killianordono">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Killianordono-20241129035500-Jéské_Couriano-20241129034600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Killianordono-20241129035500-Jéské_Couriano-20241129034600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Killianordono-20241129035500-Jéské_Couriano-20241129034600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129040000-Killianordono-20241129035500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Killianordono&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Killianordono (page does not exist)">Killianordono</a>:</span> I linked <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">Help:Referencing for beginners</a> above. As to <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">the actual person who knows themselves the most</q> we <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP"><i>absolutely cannot</i> rely on "just trust me bro"</a>, <i>especially</i> if the person asserting that is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest" title="Wikipedia:Conflict of interest">the subject themselves</a>. We are looking for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-the-subject news/scholarly sources that discuss the subject at length, are written by identifiable authors, and are subject to fact-checking and other editorial processes</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129040000-Killianordono-20241129035500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129040000-Killianordono-20241129035500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129040000-Killianordono-20241129035500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Killianordono-20241129044900-Jéské_Couriano-20241129040000"></span>ive fixed the article can it be submitted now? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Killianordono&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Killianordono (page does not exist)">Killianordono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Killianordono" title="User talk:Killianordono">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Killianordono-20241129044900-Jéské_Couriano-20241129040000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Killianordono-20241129044900-Jéské_Couriano-20241129040000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Killianordono-20241129044900-Jéské_Couriano-20241129040000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129085400-Killianordono-20241129044900"></span>No, because all of your sources are still unusable (as they're the same ones dismissed before) and you still haven't actually properly cited them. (Those angry red notes are malformed cites.) —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129085400-Killianordono-20241129044900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129085400-Killianordono-20241129044900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129085400-Killianordono-20241129044900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="04:12,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac" data-mw-thread-id="h-04:12,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-November_29-20241129041200"><span id="04:12.2C_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-04:12,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-November_29-20241129041200"></span>04:12, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Thehistorianisaac<span data-mw-comment-end="h-04:12,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-November_29-20241129041200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: 04:12, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Thehistorianisaac"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241129041200-04:12,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span>Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thehistorianisaac" title="Special:Contributions/Thehistorianisaac">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thehistorianisaac&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=04%3A12%2C+29+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Thehistorianisaac">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade" title="Draft:7th Marine Brigade">Draft:7th Marine Brigade</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:7th_Marine_Brigade" title="Draft talk:7th Marine Brigade">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3A7th+Marine+Brigade">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>How long does a draft need to be for the submission to be accepted? I translated an article from chinese wikipedia but the draft is pretty short compared to some other AfC submissions because tonnes of info related to it are classified <a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thehistorianisaac-20241129041200-04:12,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241129041200-04:12,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241129041200-04:12,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129041500-Thehistorianisaac-20241129041200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a>:</span> Length isn't relevant, compliance with <i>English</i> Wikipedia's sourcing/notability requirements is. Straight translations generally don't work for this reason. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129041500-Thehistorianisaac-20241129041200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129041500-Thehistorianisaac-20241129041200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129041500-Thehistorianisaac-20241129041200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="04:32,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss" data-mw-thread-id="h-04:32,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss-November_29-20241129043200"><span id="04:32.2C_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-04:32,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss-November_29-20241129043200"></span>04:32, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Divya Ramadoss<span data-mw-comment-end="h-04:32,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss-November_29-20241129043200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: 04:32, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Divya Ramadoss"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divya_Ramadoss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divya Ramadoss (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241129043200-04:32,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss"></span>Divya Ramadoss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divya_Ramadoss" title="User talk:Divya Ramadoss">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Divya_Ramadoss" title="Special:Contributions/Divya Ramadoss">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Divya_Ramadoss&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=04%3A32%2C+29+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Divya+Ramadoss">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Vimala_Rani_Britto" title="Draft:Vimala Rani Britto">Draft:Vimala Rani Britto</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Vimala_Rani_Britto&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Vimala_Rani_Britto" title="Draft talk:Vimala Rani Britto">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Vimala_Rani_Britto&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Vimala_Rani_Britto">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Vimala_Rani_Britto&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AVimala+Rani+Britto">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I dont understand why my article is getting rejected. it is not promotion angle, i strongly feel the article is not an advertisement of the person.kindly help. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divya_Ramadoss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divya Ramadoss (page does not exist)">Divya Ramadoss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divya_Ramadoss" title="User talk:Divya Ramadoss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241129043200-04:32,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:32, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241129043200-04:32,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241129043200-04:32,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divya_Ramadoss"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129043700-Divya_Ramadoss-20241129043200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divya_Ramadoss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divya Ramadoss (page does not exist)">Divya Ramadoss</a>:</span> The article does a lot of editorialising, and is filled with as much buzzwords as your average badly-written article on a company. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129043700-Divya_Ramadoss-20241129043200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129043700-Divya_Ramadoss-20241129043200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129043700-Divya_Ramadoss-20241129043200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202101700-Jéské_Couriano-20241129043700"></span>Thank you for the feedback. I will revise the article to remove any promotional language and ensure it is neutral and fact-based, supported by reliable, third-party sources. The subject is notable for its contributions to the society, with coverage in reputable publications like economic times. Please let me know if there are additional specific changes needed to meet Wikipedia's standards. I appreciate your guidance. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divya_Ramadoss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divya Ramadoss (page does not exist)">Divya Ramadoss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divya_Ramadoss" title="User talk:Divya Ramadoss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202101700-Jéské_Couriano-20241129043700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202101700-Jéské_Couriano-20241129043700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202101700-Jéské_Couriano-20241129043700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divya_Ramadoss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divya Ramadoss (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202101900-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202101700"></span>Divya Ramadoss</a> You took a picture of Mrs. Britto and she posed for you. You also were apparently at a wedding that she attended. Please describe your connection to her. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241202101900-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202101700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202101900-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202101700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202101900-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202101700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202120600-331dot-20241202101900"></span>Thank you for your message. I have no personal or professional connection to Mrs. Britto. The photo was taken with her consent during a photoshoot for an interview for Galatta Media. My intention is solely to contribute verifiable and neutral content about her based on publicly available, reliable sources. Please let me know if further clarification is needed. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divya_Ramadoss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divya Ramadoss (page does not exist)">Divya Ramadoss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divya_Ramadoss" title="User talk:Divya Ramadoss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202120600-331dot-20241202101900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202120600-331dot-20241202101900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202120600-331dot-20241202101900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202121300-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202120600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divya_Ramadoss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divya Ramadoss (page does not exist)">Divya Ramadoss</a>: that doesn't really answer the question that was posed. From the photos alone, it would seem that you keep bumping into the subject, and taking photos of her, which would suggest some sort relationship. Or else you didn't take these photos, and cannot therefore claim them as your own work. Could you please clarify? -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241202121300-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202120600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202121300-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202120600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202121300-Divya_Ramadoss-20241202120600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241203040600-DoubleGrazing-20241202121300"></span>Thank you for your follow-up. To clarify, I am a freelance social media marketing professional and was commissioned by Galatta Media to assist with content creation for an interview featuring Mrs. Britto. The photos were taken as part of this project with her consent. However, if the photo is a concern, I am happy to remove it to ensure compliance with Wikipedia’s policies. Please let me know how best to proceed. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divya_Ramadoss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divya Ramadoss (page does not exist)">Divya Ramadoss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divya_Ramadoss" title="User talk:Divya Ramadoss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241203040600-DoubleGrazing-20241202121300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241203040600-DoubleGrazing-20241202121300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Divya_Ramadoss-20241203040600-DoubleGrazing-20241202121300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="04:36,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii" data-mw-thread-id="h-04:36,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii-November_29-20241129043600"><span id="04:36.2C_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-04:36,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii-November_29-20241129043600"></span>04:36, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Aesthemii<span data-mw-comment-end="h-04:36,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii-November_29-20241129043600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: 04:36, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Aesthemii"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Aesthemii&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Aesthemii (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aesthemii-20241129043600-04:36,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii"></span>Aesthemii</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aesthemii" title="User talk:Aesthemii">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aesthemii" title="Special:Contributions/Aesthemii">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aesthemii&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=04%3A36%2C+29+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Aesthemii">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:The_Story_Of_Pearl_Girl" title="Draft:The Story Of Pearl Girl">Draft:The Story Of Pearl Girl</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Story_Of_Pearl_Girl&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:The_Story_Of_Pearl_Girl" title="Draft talk:The Story Of Pearl Girl">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Story_Of_Pearl_Girl&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:The_Story_Of_Pearl_Girl">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Story_Of_Pearl_Girl&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AThe+Story+Of+Pearl+Girl">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>how do i fix my draft article to it could pass the review? what more reference do i need ? what more do i include? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Aesthemii&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Aesthemii (page does not exist)">Aesthemii</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aesthemii" title="User talk:Aesthemii">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Aesthemii-20241129043600-04:36,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aesthemii-20241129043600-04:36,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aesthemii-20241129043600-04:36,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aesthemii"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241129063000-Aesthemii-20241129043600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Aesthemii&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Aesthemii (page does not exist)">Aesthemii</a> first of all, you need to properly format the references using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ILC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ILC">inline citations</a>, instead of dumping them at the bottom of the draft. You also need more <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CanonNi-20241129063000-Aesthemii-20241129043600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241129063000-Aesthemii-20241129043600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241129063000-Aesthemii-20241129043600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="09:17,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte" data-mw-thread-id="h-09:17,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte-November_29-20241129091700"><span id="09:17.2C_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-09:17,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte-November_29-20241129091700"></span>09:17, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Intenselatte<span data-mw-comment-end="h-09:17,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte-November_29-20241129091700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: 09:17, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Intenselatte"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Intenselatte&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Intenselatte (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Intenselatte-20241129091700-09:17,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte"></span>Intenselatte</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Intenselatte" title="User talk:Intenselatte">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Intenselatte" title="Special:Contributions/Intenselatte">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Intenselatte&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=09%3A17%2C+29+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Intenselatte">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Jobo_Gamer" title="Draft:Jobo Gamer">Draft:Jobo Gamer</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jobo_Gamer&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Jobo_Gamer" title="Draft talk:Jobo Gamer">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jobo_Gamer&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Jobo_Gamer">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jobo_Gamer&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AJobo+Gamer">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>not sure what i need to add to make it sufficient <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Intenselatte&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Intenselatte (page does not exist)">Intenselatte</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Intenselatte" title="User talk:Intenselatte">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Intenselatte-20241129091700-09:17,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Intenselatte-20241129091700-09:17,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Intenselatte-20241129091700-09:17,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Intenselatte"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241129093200-Intenselatte-20241129091700"></span>Unfortunately nothing, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Intenselatte&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Intenselatte (page does not exist)">Intenselatte</a>, as I see nothing that makes this person meet our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Wikipedia:Notability</a> criteria. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241129093200-Intenselatte-20241129091700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:32, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241129093200-Intenselatte-20241129091700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241129093200-Intenselatte-20241129091700"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Intenselatte&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Intenselatte (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241129093300-Intenselatte-20241129091700"></span>Intenselatte</a> What is your connection with this person, as you took a picture of them? <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241129093300-Intenselatte-20241129091700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241129093300-Intenselatte-20241129091700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241129093300-Intenselatte-20241129091700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="10:01,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10" data-mw-thread-id="h-10:01,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10-November_29-20241129100100"><span id="10:01.2C_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-10:01,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10-November_29-20241129100100"></span>10:01, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Aaron Bradley10<span data-mw-comment-end="h-10:01,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10-November_29-20241129100100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: 10:01, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Aaron Bradley10"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Bradley10" title="User:Aaron Bradley10"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100-10:01,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10"></span>Aaron Bradley10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Bradley10" title="User talk:Aaron Bradley10">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aaron_Bradley10" title="Special:Contributions/Aaron Bradley10">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aaron_Bradley10&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=10%3A01%2C+29+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Aaron+Bradley10">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Aaron_Bradley_(Voice_Actor)" title="Draft:Aaron Bradley (Voice Actor)">Draft:Aaron Bradley (Voice Actor)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Aaron_Bradley_(Voice_Actor)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Aaron_Bradley_(Voice_Actor)" title="Draft talk:Aaron Bradley (Voice Actor)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Aaron_Bradley_(Voice_Actor)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Aaron_Bradley_(Voice_Actor)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Aaron_Bradley_(Voice_Actor)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAaron+Bradley+%28Voice+Actor%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Approval For Aaron Bradley Page. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Bradley10" title="User:Aaron Bradley10">Aaron Bradley10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Bradley10" title="User talk:Aaron Bradley10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100-10:01,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100-10:01,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100-10:01,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Aaron_Bradley10"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Aaron_Bradley10" title="User:Aaron Bradley10"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241129100900-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100"></span>Aaron Bradley10</a> You will need to resubmit the draft for review for it to be considered, which you should only do if you have addressed the concerns of the last reviewer. Note that writing about yourself, while not absolutely forbidden, is highly discouraged, please see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTO">autobiography policy</a>. We don't want to know what you say about yourself, only what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> choose to say about you. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241129100900-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241129100900-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241129100900-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241129101000-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100"></span>On your user page, you say you have been paid by Aaron Bradley- if you are not him, you must change your username immediately, please do so via <a href="/wiki/Special:GlobalRenameRequest" title="Special:GlobalRenameRequest">Special:GlobalRenameRequest</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CHUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CHUS">WP:CHUS</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241129101000-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241129101000-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241129101000-Aaron_Bradley10-20241129100100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="11:55,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta" data-mw-thread-id="h-11:55,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta-November_29-20241129115500"><span id="11:55.2C_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-11:55,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta-November_29-20241129115500"></span>11:55, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Veer27Gupta<span data-mw-comment-end="h-11:55,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta-November_29-20241129115500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: 11:55, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Veer27Gupta"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Veer27Gupta" title="User:Veer27Gupta"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Veer27Gupta-20241129115500-11:55,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta"></span>Veer27Gupta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Veer27Gupta" title="User talk:Veer27Gupta">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Veer27Gupta" title="Special:Contributions/Veer27Gupta">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Veer27Gupta&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=11%3A55%2C+29+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Veer27Gupta">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:ISKCON_Ujjain" title="Draft:ISKCON Ujjain">Draft:ISKCON Ujjain</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:ISKCON_Ujjain&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:ISKCON_Ujjain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:ISKCON Ujjain (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:ISKCON_Ujjain&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:ISKCON_Ujjain">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:ISKCON_Ujjain&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AISKCON+Ujjain">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I was creating a new page about ISKCON UJJAIN but something is missing there which makes it declining again and again I'm unable to understand what changes should be done to make it accepted <a href="/wiki/User:Veer27Gupta" title="User:Veer27Gupta">Veer27Gupta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Veer27Gupta" title="User talk:Veer27Gupta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Veer27Gupta-20241129115500-11:55,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Veer27Gupta-20241129115500-11:55,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Veer27Gupta-20241129115500-11:55,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Veer27Gupta"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129115800-Veer27Gupta-20241129115500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Veer27Gupta" title="User:Veer27Gupta">Veer27Gupta</a>: the draft is unreferenced, and only lists the subject's own website as sources. No subject can establish its own <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>; we need to see significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241129115800-Veer27Gupta-20241129115500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129115800-Veer27Gupta-20241129115500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129115800-Veer27Gupta-20241129115500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Veer27Gupta-20241129120100-DoubleGrazing-20241129115800"></span>can I provide reference of wikipedia and resources other than only using their website will make the article publishable, or I have to do some more changes <a href="/wiki/User:Veer27Gupta" title="User:Veer27Gupta">Veer27Gupta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Veer27Gupta" title="User talk:Veer27Gupta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Veer27Gupta-20241129120100-DoubleGrazing-20241129115800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Veer27Gupta-20241129120100-DoubleGrazing-20241129115800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Veer27Gupta-20241129120100-DoubleGrazing-20241129115800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129120500-Veer27Gupta-20241129120100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Veer27Gupta" title="User:Veer27Gupta">Veer27Gupta</a>: since you ask, yes, you will probably need to rewrite much of this. Wikipedia articles mostly summarise what independent and reliable sources have previously published about a subject. So you need to start by finding such sources, summarising them (in your own words – no copypasting!), and citing each source against the information it has provided. That will give you the appropriate content, required referencing, and the necessary evidence of notability. You may then supplement this with small amount of factual and non-contentious information from primary sources such as the subject's website, but the draft should be predominantly based on third party sources, not on what you know about this subject or what the subject wants to tell the world about itself. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241129120500-Veer27Gupta-20241129120100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129120500-Veer27Gupta-20241129120100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129120500-Veer27Gupta-20241129120100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="14:07,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac" data-mw-thread-id="h-14:07,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-November_29-20241129140700"><span id="14:07.2C_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-14:07,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-November_29-20241129140700"></span>14:07, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Thehistorianisaac<span data-mw-comment-end="h-14:07,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-November_29-20241129140700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: 14:07, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Thehistorianisaac"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241129140700-14:07,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span>Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thehistorianisaac" title="Special:Contributions/Thehistorianisaac">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thehistorianisaac&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=14%3A07%2C+29+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Thehistorianisaac">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade" title="Draft:7th Marine Brigade">Draft:7th Marine Brigade</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:7th_Marine_Brigade" title="Draft talk:7th Marine Brigade">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3A7th+Marine+Brigade">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I received a comment in my talk page which claimed that my draft had been "created" but when i tried to search it turns out it was not an article yet. May i ask what is going on? <a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thehistorianisaac-20241129140700-14:07,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241129140700-14:07,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241129140700-14:07,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129141200-Thehistorianisaac-20241129140700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a>: I think it's someone playing games. I'll go have a word with them... -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241129141200-Thehistorianisaac-20241129140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129141200-Thehistorianisaac-20241129140700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129141200-Thehistorianisaac-20241129140700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="18:30,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma" data-mw-thread-id="h-18:30,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma-November_29-20241129183000"><span id="18:30.2C_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-18:30,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma-November_29-20241129183000"></span>18:30, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Zoe Sharma<span data-mw-comment-end="h-18:30,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma-November_29-20241129183000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: 18:30, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Zoe Sharma"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zoe_Sharma&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zoe Sharma (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129183000-18:30,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma"></span>Zoe Sharma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zoe_Sharma" title="User talk:Zoe Sharma">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zoe_Sharma" title="Special:Contributions/Zoe Sharma">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zoe_Sharma&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=18%3A30%2C+29+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Zoe+Sharma">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Era_Joshi" title="Draft:Era Joshi">Draft:Era Joshi</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Era_Joshi&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Era_Joshi" title="Draft talk:Era Joshi">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Era_Joshi&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Era_Joshi">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Era_Joshi&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AEra+Joshi">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Because even after providing for reliable references my article is rejected and now I can't resubmit it since the option has been disabled. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zoe_Sharma&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zoe Sharma (page does not exist)">Zoe Sharma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zoe_Sharma" title="User talk:Zoe Sharma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129183000-18:30,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129183000-18:30,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129183000-18:30,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Zoe_Sharma"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129183500-Zoe_Sharma-20241129183000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zoe_Sharma&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zoe Sharma (page does not exist)">Zoe Sharma</a>: that is correct, this draft has been rejected, because after multiple reviews there is no meaningful referencing, and even less any evidence of notability. That's is the end of the road for this draft. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241129183500-Zoe_Sharma-20241129183000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129183500-Zoe_Sharma-20241129183000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129183500-Zoe_Sharma-20241129183000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129185100-DoubleGrazing-20241129183500"></span>Please go through the references that I have provided, they are meaningful as well as reliable. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zoe_Sharma&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zoe Sharma (page does not exist)">Zoe Sharma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zoe_Sharma" title="User talk:Zoe Sharma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129185100-DoubleGrazing-20241129183500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129185100-DoubleGrazing-20241129183500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129185100-DoubleGrazing-20241129183500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129185600-Zoe_Sharma-20241129185100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zoe_Sharma&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zoe Sharma (page does not exist)">Zoe Sharma</a>: they are not meanintful, they are completely meaning<i>less</i>; they aren't even proper references, just websites. References are meant to support information in the draft. These just point to the home pages of random websites. And they are not cited anywhere in the text, merely piled on at the bottom. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241129185600-Zoe_Sharma-20241129185100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129185600-Zoe_Sharma-20241129185100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129185600-Zoe_Sharma-20241129185100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300-DoubleGrazing-20241129185600"></span>I mentioned 2 such references which are mentioned in the text. However they were also rejected. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zoe_Sharma&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zoe Sharma (page does not exist)">Zoe Sharma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zoe_Sharma" title="User talk:Zoe Sharma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300-DoubleGrazing-20241129185600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300-DoubleGrazing-20241129185600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300-DoubleGrazing-20241129185600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129190900-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zoe_Sharma&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zoe Sharma (page does not exist)">Zoe Sharma</a>: there are no references "mentioned in the text". -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241129190900-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129190900-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241129190900-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129193700-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zoe_Sharma&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zoe Sharma (page does not exist)">Zoe Sharma</a>:</span> You have a one-sentence "draft" which makes no mention of any outlets, and your sources are all <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSCONTEXT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSCONTEXT">website</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">homepages</a>, rather than articles on those domains as we <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">require</a>. We're not going to spend hours hunting down the articles you're trying to cite because you're not inclined to do the work. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129193700-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129193700-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241129193700-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bonadea-20241129210600-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300"></span>Since I was the one rejecting the draft, I should perhaps be clear about this: I searched both <i>Hindustan Times</i> and <i>Washington Post</i> for mentions of Era Joshi, but there was nothing. Also, the draft text is copied straight from Joshi's own website (which has no other info). It's rather obvious that Era Joshi is simply not notable. Maybe she will become notable in the future, but not yet. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">bonadea</a></i> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bonadea" title="Special:Contributions/Bonadea">contributions</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bonadea" title="User talk:Bonadea">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Bonadea-20241129210600-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bonadea-20241129210600-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bonadea-20241129210600-Zoe_Sharma-20241129190300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="21:53,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela" data-mw-thread-id="h-21:53,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela-November_29-20241129215300"><span id="21:53.2C_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-21:53,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela-November_29-20241129215300"></span>21:53, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Bibi Raheela<span data-mw-comment-end="h-21:53,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela-November_29-20241129215300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: 21:53, 29 November 2024 review of submission by Bibi Raheela"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bibi_Raheela&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bibi Raheela (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bibi_Raheela-20241129215300-21:53,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela"></span>Bibi Raheela</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bibi_Raheela" title="User talk:Bibi Raheela">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bibi_Raheela" title="Special:Contributions/Bibi Raheela">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bibi_Raheela&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=21%3A53%2C+29+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Bibi+Raheela">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Digitonz:_Digital_Marketing_and_Development_Solutions&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Digitonz: Digital Marketing and Development Solutions (page does not exist)">Draft:Digitonz: Digital Marketing and Development Solutions</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Digitonz:_Digital_Marketing_and_Development_Solutions&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Digitonz:_Digital_Marketing_and_Development_Solutions&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Digitonz: Digital Marketing and Development Solutions (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Digitonz:_Digital_Marketing_and_Development_Solutions&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Digitonz:_Digital_Marketing_and_Development_Solutions">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Digitonz:_Digital_Marketing_and_Development_Solutions&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADigitonz%3A+Digital+Marketing+and+Development+Solutions">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Dear I hope this message finds you well. I recently submitted an article about my company, Digitonz, but it was unfortunately rejected. I understand there may be areas for improvement, and I would appreciate your guidance on how I can enhance the article to meet Wikipedia's standards. </p><p>I have been working in this field since 2014 and registered my company in 2024. I want to ensure the content adheres to Wikipedia's guidelines, and I am open to any suggestions or support you can provide in making the necessary improvements. </p><p>Could you please advise on what changes I need to make to improve the article? Any help in pointing out specific areas for revision would be greatly appreciated. </p><p>Thank you for your time and assistance. </p><p>Best regards, Bibi Roheel Sarhandi Founder, Digitonz <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bibi_Raheela&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bibi Raheela (page does not exist)">Bibi Raheela</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bibi_Raheela" title="User talk:Bibi Raheela">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Bibi_Raheela-20241129215300-21:53,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bibi_Raheela-20241129215300-21:53,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bibi_Raheela-20241129215300-21:53,_29_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Bibi_Raheela"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241129215600-Bibi_Raheela-20241129215300"></span>There is nothing you can do, Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell about themselves. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a> as well. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241129215600-Bibi_Raheela-20241129215300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241129215600-Bibi_Raheela-20241129215300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241129215600-Bibi_Raheela-20241129215300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_30" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_30-20241130023500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_30-20241130023500"></span>November 30<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_30-20241130023500"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: November 30"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="02:35,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf" data-mw-thread-id="h-02:35,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf-November_30-20241130023500"><span id="02:35.2C_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-02:35,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf-November_30-20241130023500"></span>02:35, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Jhrtvunbyhhf<span data-mw-comment-end="h-02:35,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf-November_30-20241130023500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: 02:35, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Jhrtvunbyhhf"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jhrtvunbyhhf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jhrtvunbyhhf (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023500-02:35,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf"></span>Jhrtvunbyhhf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jhrtvunbyhhf" title="User talk:Jhrtvunbyhhf">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jhrtvunbyhhf" title="Special:Contributions/Jhrtvunbyhhf">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jhrtvunbyhhf&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=02%3A35%2C+30+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Jhrtvunbyhhf">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:DinoGold4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:DinoGold4 (page does not exist)">Draft:DinoGold4</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:DinoGold4&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:DinoGold4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:DinoGold4 (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:DinoGold4&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:DinoGold4">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:DinoGold4&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADinoGold4">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>im A FAMOUS roblox playwe <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jhrtvunbyhhf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jhrtvunbyhhf (page does not exist)">Jhrtvunbyhhf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jhrtvunbyhhf" title="User talk:Jhrtvunbyhhf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023500-02:35,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023500-02:35,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023500-02:35,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241130023600-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023500"></span>Cool. That doesn't make you <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notable</a> though. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CanonNi-20241130023600-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241130023600-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: 02:36, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Jhrtvunbyhhf"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jhrtvunbyhhf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jhrtvunbyhhf (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023600-02:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf"></span>Jhrtvunbyhhf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jhrtvunbyhhf" title="User talk:Jhrtvunbyhhf">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jhrtvunbyhhf" title="Special:Contributions/Jhrtvunbyhhf">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jhrtvunbyhhf&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=02%3A36%2C+30+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Jhrtvunbyhhf">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:DinoGold4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:DinoGold4 (page does not exist)">Draft:DinoGold4</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:DinoGold4&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:DinoGold4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:DinoGold4 (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:DinoGold4&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:DinoGold4">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:DinoGold4&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADinoGold4">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I'm a roblox plauer, @Dinogold4 i need help, now green avater <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jhrtvunbyhhf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jhrtvunbyhhf (page does not exist)">Jhrtvunbyhhf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jhrtvunbyhhf" title="User talk:Jhrtvunbyhhf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023600-02:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023600-02:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023600-02:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jhrtvunbyhhf"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandcat555-20241130043600-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jhrtvunbyhhf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jhrtvunbyhhf (page does not exist)">Jhrtvunbyhhf</a> You were already told no. Being a "famous" Roblox player <b>does not</b> make you notable enough to have a Wikipedia page. Not to mention the undeclared <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Sandcat555" title="User:Sandcat555">Sandcat555</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sandcat555" title="User talk:Sandcat555">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sandcat555-20241130043600-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandcat555-20241130043600-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandcat555-20241130043600-Jhrtvunbyhhf-20241130023600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="03:02,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu" data-mw-thread-id="h-03:02,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu-November_30-20241130030200"><span id="03:02.2C_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-03:02,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu-November_30-20241130030200"></span>03:02, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Rosebabysu<span data-mw-comment-end="h-03:02,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu-November_30-20241130030200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: 03:02, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Rosebabysu"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Rosebabysu" title="User:Rosebabysu"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosebabysu-20241130030200-03:02,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu"></span>Rosebabysu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosebabysu" title="User talk:Rosebabysu">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rosebabysu" title="Special:Contributions/Rosebabysu">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rosebabysu&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=03%3A02%2C+30+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Rosebabysu">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Dai_Ying" title="Draft:Dai Ying">Draft:Dai Ying</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dai_Ying&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Dai_Ying" title="Draft talk:Dai Ying">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dai_Ying&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Dai_Ying">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dai_Ying&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADai+Ying">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Can anyone help me check whether the draft I submitted can be passed? I have revised it many times. Thank you very much. <a href="/wiki/User:Rosebabysu" title="User:Rosebabysu">Rosebabysu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosebabysu" title="User talk:Rosebabysu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Rosebabysu-20241130030200-03:02,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosebabysu-20241130030200-03:02,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosebabysu-20241130030200-03:02,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rosebabysu"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241130045400-Rosebabysu-20241130030200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rosebabysu" title="User:Rosebabysu">Rosebabysu</a> That is what the next review will tell you. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241130045400-Rosebabysu-20241130030200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241130045400-Rosebabysu-20241130030200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241130045400-Rosebabysu-20241130030200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130074600-Timtrent-20241130045400"></span>I think it's time to pull the plug on this draft, the sources simply aren't there, and to somehow magic notability out of thin air is a big ask. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241130074600-Timtrent-20241130045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130074600-Timtrent-20241130045400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: 06:25, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Sujithsubash"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sujithsubash&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sujithsubash (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sujithsubash-20241130062500-06:25,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujithsubash"></span>Sujithsubash</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sujithsubash" title="User talk:Sujithsubash">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sujithsubash" title="Special:Contributions/Sujithsubash">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sujithsubash&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=06%3A25%2C+30+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Sujithsubash">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Award_or_B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Puraskar" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Bṛhattrayī Ratna Award or Bṛhattrayī Ratna Puraskar">Draft:Bṛhattrayī Ratna Award or Bṛhattrayī Ratna Puraskar</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Award_or_B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Puraskar&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Award_or_B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Puraskar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Bṛhattrayī Ratna Award or Bṛhattrayī Ratna Puraskar (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Award_or_B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Puraskar&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Award_or_B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Puraskar">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Award_or_B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB_Ratna_Puraskar&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AB%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB+Ratna+Award+or+B%E1%B9%9Bhattray%C4%AB+Ratna+Puraskar">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>The information provided is genuine and it is of importance. The references given are also from reliable sources including research journals published by the government departments. Declaration of conflict of Interest: The Arya Vaidya Pharmacy (Coimbatore) Limited was the parent company of my previous employer. But this has nothing to do with the entry nor I am receving any payments from them for doing this entry. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sujithsubash&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sujithsubash (page does not exist)">Sujithsubash</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sujithsubash" title="User talk:Sujithsubash">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sujithsubash-20241130062500-06:25,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujithsubash" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:25, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sujithsubash-20241130062500-06:25,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujithsubash"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sujithsubash-20241130062500-06:25,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sujithsubash"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130074200-Sujithsubash-20241130062500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sujithsubash&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sujithsubash (page does not exist)">Sujithsubash</a>: whether a journal of research in a pseudoscience can be truly reliable is debatable, I guess, but regardless of that, most of the draft content is unreferenced. We need to see where the information comes from, so that it can be verified and assessed.</dd> <dd>The draft is also overly promotional, with peacocky terms like "prestigious" and "most esteemed", and expressions like <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">"epitomises the pinnacle of intellectual achievement"</q> and <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">"remarkable contributions to the field, particularly in uplifting Ayurveda"</q>. Your job is merely to describe the subject, not to praise or 'sell' it in any way. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241130074200-Sujithsubash-20241130062500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130074200-Sujithsubash-20241130062500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130074200-Sujithsubash-20241130062500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sujithsubash-20241202064500-DoubleGrazing-20241130074200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazingthe</a> aspect of 'psedoscience' is very subjective and that is not the content here. These are the journals published by the Government of India and not by any 'psedo-body' or 'psedo-authors'. Those expressions like 'epitomises the pinnacle of intellectual acheivement' and 'remarkable contributions to the field, particularly in uplifting Ayurveda' was translation of what the award is by the National Daily in Malayalam. If that is the problem can you help me how can this be reworded. It was not my words and there is no item being 'sold' here. This award also is not available for 'purchase'. Disclosure: The awarding body was parent company of my previous employer and information in this is verifyable. I am not being paid for making this article. Please help to sort this constructively. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sujithsubash&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sujithsubash (page does not exist)">Sujithsubash</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sujithsubash" title="User talk:Sujithsubash">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sujithsubash-20241202064500-DoubleGrazing-20241130074200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sujithsubash-20241202064500-DoubleGrazing-20241130074200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sujithsubash-20241202064500-DoubleGrazing-20241130074200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202065500-Sujithsubash-20241202064500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sujithsubash&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sujithsubash (page does not exist)">Sujithsubash</a>: if those peacocky expressions were direct quotations, then they must be indicated as such with quotation marks, and supported with clear inline citations to the sources where they originated. Which was very much part of my point (and that of the reviewer): inadequate referencing makes it impossible for the reader to know where most of this information is coming from. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241202065500-Sujithsubash-20241202064500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202065500-Sujithsubash-20241202064500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202065500-Sujithsubash-20241202064500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sujithsubash-20241202073300-DoubleGrazing-20241202065500"></span>Can you help me to understand how a print only newpaper article should be referred here? It is pure ignorance of how to do. If you can guide to some reference on this referencing of print newspapers, please guide. Thank you, in advance. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sujithsubash&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sujithsubash (page does not exist)">Sujithsubash</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sujithsubash" title="User talk:Sujithsubash">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sujithsubash-20241202073300-DoubleGrazing-20241202065500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sujithsubash-20241202073300-DoubleGrazing-20241202065500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sujithsubash-20241202073300-DoubleGrazing-20241202065500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bonadea-20241202121400-Sujithsubash-20241202073300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sujithsubash&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sujithsubash (page does not exist)">Sujithsubash</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Examples" title="Wikipedia:Citing sources">Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Examples</a> explains this in some detail, and you can use the template <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_news" title="Template:Cite news">Cite news</a> for the citation itself – scroll down to "Usage", copy a template, and enter the information about the article you are citing. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">bonadea</a></i> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bonadea" title="Special:Contributions/Bonadea">contributions</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bonadea" title="User talk:Bonadea">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Bonadea-20241202121400-Sujithsubash-20241202073300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bonadea-20241202121400-Sujithsubash-20241202073300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bonadea-20241202121400-Sujithsubash-20241202073300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="06:41,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12" data-mw-thread-id="h-06:41,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12-November_30-20241130064100"><span id="06:41.2C_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-06:41,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12-November_30-20241130064100"></span>06:41, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Ridgeman12<span data-mw-comment-end="h-06:41,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12-November_30-20241130064100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: 06:41, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Ridgeman12"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ridgeman12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ridgeman12 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ridgeman12-20241130064100-06:41,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12"></span>Ridgeman12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ridgeman12" title="User talk:Ridgeman12">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ridgeman12" title="Special:Contributions/Ridgeman12">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ridgeman12&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=06%3A41%2C+30+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Ridgeman12">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Remi_the_dog" title="Draft:Remi the dog">Draft:Remi the dog</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Remi_the_dog&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Remi_the_dog" title="Draft talk:Remi the dog">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Remi_the_dog&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Remi_the_dog">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Remi_the_dog&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ARemi+the+dog">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>This isn’t a fake Wikipedia for no reason, there actually is a streamer named Trod who has a dog named Remi. This is not a fake character. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ridgeman12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ridgeman12 (page does not exist)">Ridgeman12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ridgeman12" title="User talk:Ridgeman12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ridgeman12-20241130064100-06:41,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ridgeman12-20241130064100-06:41,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ridgeman12-20241130064100-06:41,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ridgeman12"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130073500-Ridgeman12-20241130064100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ridgeman12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ridgeman12 (page does not exist)">Ridgeman12</a>: sure. I have a dog, too. She's not a fake character, either. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241130073500-Ridgeman12-20241130064100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130073500-Ridgeman12-20241130064100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130073500-Ridgeman12-20241130064100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="12:47,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor" data-mw-thread-id="h-12:47,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor-November_30-20241130124700"><span id="12:47.2C_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-12:47,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor-November_30-20241130124700"></span>12:47, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Thenfactor<span data-mw-comment-end="h-12:47,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor-November_30-20241130124700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: 12:47, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Thenfactor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thenfactor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thenfactor (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thenfactor-20241130124700-12:47,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor"></span>Thenfactor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thenfactor" title="User talk:Thenfactor">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thenfactor" title="Special:Contributions/Thenfactor">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thenfactor&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=12%3A47%2C+30+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Thenfactor">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Rick_Beerhorst" title="Draft:Rick Beerhorst">Draft:Rick Beerhorst</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rick_Beerhorst&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Rick_Beerhorst" title="Draft talk:Rick Beerhorst">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rick_Beerhorst&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Rick_Beerhorst">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rick_Beerhorst&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ARick+Beerhorst">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I need assistance please as I have written a wholly unbiased, not promoting the artist and the 50 sources included within the Rick Beerhorst page are tested as independent of the artist, having done over a week's work of research on testing those sources. John Yau Art critic who has independently written of Rick Beerhorst the painter for 35 years, has been included with the article to give the article Wikipedia tested impartiality. Can someone please review the prejudice that is being given to this article, in order to have the painter substantiated and placed within Wikipedia which is his rightful place. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thenfactor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thenfactor (page does not exist)">Thenfactor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thenfactor" title="User talk:Thenfactor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thenfactor-20241130124700-12:47,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thenfactor-20241130124700-12:47,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thenfactor-20241130124700-12:47,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thenfactor"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241130130400-Thenfactor-20241130124700"></span>55 sources is a lot, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thenfactor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thenfactor (page does not exist)">Thenfactor</a>. You have some major <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_overkill" title="Wikipedia:Citation overkill">Wikipedia:Citation overkill</a> - does the first line <i>really</i> need nine sources!?</dd> <dd>I don't think many volunteer reviewers are going to want to go into 55 sources to assess each, so give us three <b>and only three</b> of the strongest sources you have, to make the job for the reviewer easier. Each of the three sources should meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">this criteria of being independent</a>, significant coverage, and from reliable places. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241130130400-Thenfactor-20241130124700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241130130400-Thenfactor-20241130124700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241130130400-Thenfactor-20241130124700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thenfactor-20241201180800-Qcne-20241130130400"></span>I am taking on board on these advices and I thank you very much for your input. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thenfactor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thenfactor (page does not exist)">Thenfactor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thenfactor" title="User talk:Thenfactor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thenfactor-20241201180800-Qcne-20241130130400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thenfactor-20241201180800-Qcne-20241130130400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thenfactor-20241201180800-Qcne-20241130130400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="13:48,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight" data-mw-thread-id="h-13:48,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight-November_30-20241130134800"><span id="13:48.2C_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-13:48,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight-November_30-20241130134800"></span>13:48, 30 November 2024 review of submission by GwnftLight<span data-mw-comment-end="h-13:48,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight-November_30-20241130134800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: 13:48, 30 November 2024 review of submission by GwnftLight"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GwnftLight-20241130134800-13:48,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight"></span>GwnftLight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GwnftLight" title="User talk:GwnftLight">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/GwnftLight" title="Special:Contributions/GwnftLight">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GwnftLight&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=13%3A48%2C+30+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+GwnftLight">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:GwnftLight/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:GwnftLight/sandbox (page does not exist)">User:GwnftLight/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:GwnftLight/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GwnftLight/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:GwnftLight/sandbox (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:GwnftLight/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:GwnftLight/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:GwnftLight/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AGwnftLight%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I need help in editing my article <a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight">GwnftLight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GwnftLight" title="User talk:GwnftLight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-GwnftLight-20241130134800-13:48,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GwnftLight-20241130134800-13:48,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GwnftLight-20241130134800-13:48,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241130135000-GwnftLight-20241130134800"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight">GwnftLight</a>, the draft has now been rejected and so will not be considered further. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241130135000-GwnftLight-20241130134800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241130135000-GwnftLight-20241130134800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241130135000-GwnftLight-20241130134800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="14:46,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight" data-mw-thread-id="h-14:46,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight-November_30-20241130144600"><span id="14:46.2C_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-14:46,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight-November_30-20241130144600"></span>14:46, 30 November 2024 review of submission by GwnftLight<span data-mw-comment-end="h-14:46,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight-November_30-20241130144600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: 14:46, 30 November 2024 review of submission by GwnftLight"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GwnftLight-20241130144600-14:46,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight"></span>GwnftLight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GwnftLight" title="User talk:GwnftLight">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/GwnftLight" title="Special:Contributions/GwnftLight">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GwnftLight&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=14%3A46%2C+30+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+GwnftLight">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:GwnftLight/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:GwnftLight/sandbox (page does not exist)">User:GwnftLight/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:GwnftLight/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GwnftLight/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:GwnftLight/sandbox (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:GwnftLight/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:GwnftLight/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:GwnftLight/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AGwnftLight%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I'm finding it difficult to create a new article <a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight">GwnftLight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GwnftLight" title="User talk:GwnftLight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-GwnftLight-20241130144600-14:46,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GwnftLight-20241130144600-14:46,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GwnftLight-20241130144600-14:46,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GwnftLight"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130145800-GwnftLight-20241130144600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight">GwnftLight</a>: are you trying to create another draft on the same subject? Because that wouldn't be a good idea. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241130145800-GwnftLight-20241130144600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130145800-GwnftLight-20241130144600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130145800-GwnftLight-20241130144600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GwnftLight-20241130151900-DoubleGrazing-20241130145800"></span>Yes. I tried editing based on the comments received but the submission was not responsive <a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight">GwnftLight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GwnftLight" title="User talk:GwnftLight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-GwnftLight-20241130151900-DoubleGrazing-20241130145800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GwnftLight-20241130151900-DoubleGrazing-20241130145800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GwnftLight-20241130151900-DoubleGrazing-20241130145800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130152100-GwnftLight-20241130151900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight">GwnftLight</a>: this subject is clearly not notable, there is no point in creating another draft on it. Please find another subject to write about. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241130152100-GwnftLight-20241130151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130152100-GwnftLight-20241130151900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130152100-GwnftLight-20241130151900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GwnftLight-20241130152300-GwnftLight-20241130151900"></span>I am also finding it difficult to create a new draft on another subject entirely <a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight">GwnftLight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GwnftLight" title="User talk:GwnftLight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-GwnftLight-20241130152300-GwnftLight-20241130151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GwnftLight-20241130152300-GwnftLight-20241130151900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GwnftLight-20241130152300-GwnftLight-20241130151900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GwnftLight-20241130152300-GwnftLight-20241130152300"></span>It kept redirecting me to the rejected draft <a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight">GwnftLight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GwnftLight" title="User talk:GwnftLight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-GwnftLight-20241130152300-GwnftLight-20241130152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GwnftLight-20241130152300-GwnftLight-20241130152300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GwnftLight-20241130152300-GwnftLight-20241130152300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130152900-GwnftLight-20241130152300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight">GwnftLight</a>: you can create a subpage in your personal space, you just have to give it a unique name, like <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:GwnftLight/sandbox2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:GwnftLight/sandbox2 (page does not exist)">User:GwnftLight/sandbox2</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:GwnftLight/newdraft&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:GwnftLight/newdraft (page does not exist)">User:GwnftLight/newdraft</a>, etc.</dd> <dd>Or you can go to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YFA">WP:YFA</a> and use the article creation wizard there. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241130152900-GwnftLight-20241130152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130152900-GwnftLight-20241130152300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130152900-GwnftLight-20241130152300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GwnftLight-20241130170200-DoubleGrazing-20241130152900"></span>Great, thanks <a href="/wiki/User:GwnftLight" title="User:GwnftLight">GwnftLight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GwnftLight" title="User talk:GwnftLight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-GwnftLight-20241130170200-DoubleGrazing-20241130152900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GwnftLight-20241130170200-DoubleGrazing-20241130152900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GwnftLight-20241130170200-DoubleGrazing-20241130152900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="15:29,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog" data-mw-thread-id="h-15:29,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog-November_30-20241130152900"><span id="15:29.2C_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-15:29,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog-November_30-20241130152900"></span>15:29, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Brazbiog<span data-mw-comment-end="h-15:29,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog-November_30-20241130152900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: 15:29, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Brazbiog"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Brazbiog" title="User:Brazbiog"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brazbiog-20241130152900-15:29,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog"></span>Brazbiog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brazbiog" title="User talk:Brazbiog">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Brazbiog" title="Special:Contributions/Brazbiog">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brazbiog&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=15%3A29%2C+30+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Brazbiog">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Carlos_Ernesto_Guestrin" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Carlos Ernesto Guestrin">Draft:Carlos Ernesto Guestrin</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Carlos_Ernesto_Guestrin&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Carlos_Ernesto_Guestrin" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft talk:Carlos Ernesto Guestrin">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Carlos_Ernesto_Guestrin&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Carlos_Ernesto_Guestrin">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Carlos_Ernesto_Guestrin&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ACarlos+Ernesto+Guestrin">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>This is my first article. I'd appreciate any feedback to improve the current draft. <a href="/wiki/User:Brazbiog" title="User:Brazbiog">Brazbiog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brazbiog" title="User talk:Brazbiog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Brazbiog-20241130152900-15:29,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brazbiog-20241130152900-15:29,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brazbiog-20241130152900-15:29,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Brazbiog"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130153700-Brazbiog-20241130152900"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Brazbiog" title="User:Brazbiog">Brazbiog</a>: you've submitted the draft, so you will get feedback (of sorts) when a reviewer gets around to assessing it. Superficial glance suggests everything looks okay. Can't say more than that, as we don't do on-demand reviews here at the help desk. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241130153700-Brazbiog-20241130152900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130153700-Brazbiog-20241130152900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130153700-Brazbiog-20241130152900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brazbiog-20241130154000-DoubleGrazing-20241130153700"></span>Thank you! That makes sense, sorry for overstepping. <a href="/wiki/User:Brazbiog" title="User:Brazbiog">Brazbiog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brazbiog" title="User talk:Brazbiog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Brazbiog-20241130154000-DoubleGrazing-20241130153700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brazbiog-20241130154000-DoubleGrazing-20241130153700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brazbiog-20241130154000-DoubleGrazing-20241130153700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130160200-Brazbiog-20241130154000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Brazbiog" title="User:Brazbiog">Brazbiog</a>: no problem at all, no harm in asking. ;) <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241130160200-Brazbiog-20241130154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130160200-Brazbiog-20241130154000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241130160200-Brazbiog-20241130154000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheBirdsShedTears-20241201035500-DoubleGrazing-20241130160200"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <a href="/wiki/User:TheBirdsShedTears" title="User:TheBirdsShedTears">TheBirdsShedTears</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheBirdsShedTears" title="User talk:TheBirdsShedTears">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-TheBirdsShedTears-20241201035500-DoubleGrazing-20241130160200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheBirdsShedTears-20241201035500-DoubleGrazing-20241130160200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheBirdsShedTears-20241201035500-DoubleGrazing-20241130160200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="21:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.15.62.238" data-mw-thread-id="h-21:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.15.62.238-November_30-20241130213600"><span id="21:36.2C_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.15.62.238"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-21:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.15.62.238-November_30-20241130213600"></span>21:36, 30 November 2024 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href="/wiki/User_talk:70.15.62.238" title="User talk:70.15.62.238">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.15.62.238" title="Special:Contributions/70.15.62.238">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.15.62.238&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=21%3A36%2C+30+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+70.15.62.238">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hupmapskhpugas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Hupmapskhpugas (page does not exist)">Draft:Hupmapskhpugas</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hupmapskhpugas&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Hupmapskhpugas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Hupmapskhpugas (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hupmapskhpugas&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Hupmapskhpugas">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hupmapskhpugas&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AHupmapskhpugas">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hupmapskhpugas <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.15.62.238" title="Special:Contributions/70.15.62.238">70.15.62.238</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:70.15.62.238" title="User talk:70.15.62.238">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-70.15.62.238-20241130213600-21:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.15.62.238" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.15.62.238-20241130213600-21:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.15.62.238"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.15.62.238-20241130213600-21:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_70.15.62.238"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241130214200-70.15.62.238-20241130213600"></span>Deleted as nonsense. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241130214200-70.15.62.238-20241130213600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241130214200-70.15.62.238-20241130213600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241130214200-70.15.62.238-20241130213600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="23:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500" data-mw-thread-id="h-23:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500-November_30-20241130233600"><span id="23:36.2C_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-23:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500-November_30-20241130233600"></span>23:36, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Jazzman6500<span data-mw-comment-end="h-23:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500-November_30-20241130233600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: 23:36, 30 November 2024 review of submission by Jazzman6500"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman6500&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jazzman6500 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jazzman6500-20241130233600-23:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500"></span>Jazzman6500</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jazzman6500" title="User talk:Jazzman6500">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jazzman6500" title="Special:Contributions/Jazzman6500">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jazzman6500&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=23%3A36%2C+30+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Jazzman6500">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Society_of_St._John" title="Draft:Society of St. John">Draft:Society of St. John</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Society_of_St._John&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Society_of_St._John" title="Draft talk:Society of St. John">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Society_of_St._John&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Society_of_St._John">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Society_of_St._John&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASociety+of+St.+John">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p><br/> Article rejected, assistance requested I recently submitted this article but it was rejected. Any help please: </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Society_of_St._John">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Society_of_St._John</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman6500&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jazzman6500 (page does not exist)">Jazzman6500</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jazzman6500" title="User talk:Jazzman6500">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jazzman6500-20241130233600-23:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jazzman6500-20241130233600-23:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jazzman6500-20241130233600-23:36,_30_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jazzman6500"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman6500&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jazzman6500 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241130234100-Jazzman6500-20241130233600"></span>Jazzman6500</a> I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft as intended. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241130234100-Jazzman6500-20241130233600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241130234100-Jazzman6500-20241130233600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241130234100-Jazzman6500-20241130233600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241130234300-Jazzman6500-20241130233600"></span>It was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.</dd> <dd>It reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Please review the decline message, and the policies linked to therein. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241130234300-Jazzman6500-20241130233600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241130234300-Jazzman6500-20241130233600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241130234300-Jazzman6500-20241130233600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="December_1" data-mw-thread-id="h-December_1-20241201020800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-December_1-20241201020800"></span>December 1<span data-mw-comment-end="h-December_1-20241201020800"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: December 1"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="02:08,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deerfield-Hearst" data-mw-thread-id="h-02:08,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deerfield-Hearst-December_1-20241201020800"><span id="02:08.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deerfield-Hearst"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-02:08,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deerfield-Hearst-December_1-20241201020800"></span>02:08, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Deerfield-Hearst<span 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title="User talk:Deerfield-Hearst">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Deerfield-Hearst" title="Special:Contributions/Deerfield-Hearst">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Deerfield-Hearst&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=02%3A08%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Deerfield-Hearst">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Horse_Abuse_in_Canada" title="Draft:Horse Abuse in Canada">Draft:Horse Abuse in Canada</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Horse_Abuse_in_Canada&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Horse_Abuse_in_Canada" title="Draft talk:Horse Abuse in Canada">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Horse_Abuse_in_Canada&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Horse_Abuse_in_Canada">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Horse_Abuse_in_Canada&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AHorse+Abuse+in+Canada">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>why is it being rejected? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Deerfield-Hearst&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Deerfield-Hearst (page does not exist)">Deerfield-Hearst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deerfield-Hearst" title="User talk:Deerfield-Hearst">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Deerfield-Hearst-20241201020800-02:08,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deerfield-Hearst" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deerfield-Hearst-20241201020800-02:08,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deerfield-Hearst"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deerfield-Hearst-20241201020800-02:08,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deerfield-Hearst"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201091400-Deerfield-Hearst-20241201020800"></span>I am not the reviewer but just by looking at it it is obviously not notable and seems to be extremely biased and opnion based. <a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201091400-Deerfield-Hearst-20241201020800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201091400-Deerfield-Hearst-20241201020800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201091400-Deerfield-Hearst-20241201020800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241201124200-Deerfield-Hearst-20241201020800"></span>Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS">WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241201124200-Deerfield-Hearst-20241201020800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241201124200-Deerfield-Hearst-20241201020800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241201124200-Deerfield-Hearst-20241201020800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="02:22,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC" data-mw-thread-id="h-02:22,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC-December_1-20241201022200"><span id="02:22.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-02:22,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC-December_1-20241201022200"></span>02:22, 1 December 2024 review of submission by 3DTAILEDMUSIC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-02:22,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC-December_1-20241201022200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: 02:22, 1 December 2024 review of submission by 3DTAILEDMUSIC"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:3DTAILEDMUSIC&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:3DTAILEDMUSIC (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200-02:22,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC"></span>3DTAILEDMUSIC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3DTAILEDMUSIC" title="User talk:3DTAILEDMUSIC">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3DTAILEDMUSIC" title="Special:Contributions/3DTAILEDMUSIC">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:3DTAILEDMUSIC&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=02%3A22%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+3DTAILEDMUSIC">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Angry_Demon_Studio" title="Draft:Angry Demon Studio">Draft:Angry Demon Studio</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Angry_Demon_Studio&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Angry_Demon_Studio" title="Draft talk:Angry Demon Studio">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Angry_Demon_Studio&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Angry_Demon_Studio">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Angry_Demon_Studio&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAngry+Demon+Studio">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>The draft was again rejected. What am I doing wrong and what can I add/change? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:3DTAILEDMUSIC&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:3DTAILEDMUSIC (page does not exist)">3DTAILEDMUSIC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3DTAILEDMUSIC" title="User talk:3DTAILEDMUSIC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200-02:22,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200-02:22,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200-02:22,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_3DTAILEDMUSIC"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241201043800-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:3DTAILEDMUSIC&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:3DTAILEDMUSIC (page does not exist)">3DTAILEDMUSIC</a> it has been declined not rejected, meaning there is still room for improvement. You need more source about the company <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">specifically</a>, not their games. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CanonNi-20241201043800-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241201043800-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241201043800-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241201124600-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:3DTAILEDMUSIC&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:3DTAILEDMUSIC (page does not exist)">3DTAILEDMUSIC</a>. You need to make sure that (nearly) all your sources meet the triple criteria in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a>, that is, they are: <ul><li>published by a reputable publisher</li> <li>in no way connected to the subject or their associates</li> <li>containing significant coverage of <i>the subject of the article</i>.</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241201124600-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241201124600-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241201124600-3DTAILEDMUSIC-20241201022200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce" data-mw-thread-id="h-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce-December_1-20241201031000"><span id="03:10.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce-December_1-20241201031000"></span>03:10, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Entersorce<span data-mw-comment-end="h-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce-December_1-20241201031000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: 03:10, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Entersorce"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Entersorce&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Entersorce (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Entersorce-20241201031000-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce"></span>Entersorce</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Entersorce" title="User talk:Entersorce">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Entersorce" title="Special:Contributions/Entersorce">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Entersorce&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=03%3A10%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Entersorce">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Ill_Manili" title="Draft:Ill Manili">Draft:Ill Manili</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ill_Manili&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Ill_Manili" title="Draft talk:Ill Manili">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ill_Manili&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Ill_Manili">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ill_Manili&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AIll+Manili">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>This needs to be published ASAP IT IS RELEVANT <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Entersorce&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Entersorce (page does not exist)">Entersorce</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Entersorce" title="User talk:Entersorce">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Entersorce-20241201031000-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Entersorce-20241201031000-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Entersorce-20241201031000-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201091200-Entersorce-20241201031000"></span>Entire article is biased, unsourced and not notable. The submission has been rejected and likely would not be considered. <a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201091200-Entersorce-20241201031000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201091200-Entersorce-20241201031000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201091200-Entersorce-20241201031000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="03:33,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce" data-mw-thread-id="h-03:33,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce-20241201033300"><span id="03:33.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-03:33,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce-20241201033300"></span>03:33, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Entersorce<span data-mw-comment-end="h-03:33,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce-03:10,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce-20241201033300"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: 03:33, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Entersorce"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Entersorce&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Entersorce (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Entersorce-20241201033300-03:33,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce"></span>Entersorce</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Entersorce" title="User talk:Entersorce">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Entersorce" title="Special:Contributions/Entersorce">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Entersorce&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=03%3A33%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Entersorce">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Ill_Manili" title="Draft:Ill Manili">Draft:Ill Manili</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ill_Manili&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Ill_Manili" title="Draft talk:Ill Manili">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ill_Manili&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Ill_Manili">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ill_Manili&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AIll+Manili">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I re-edited the entire thing made it more comprehensive and less promotional. Please review it. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Entersorce&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Entersorce (page does not exist)">Entersorce</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Entersorce" title="User talk:Entersorce">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Entersorce-20241201033300-03:33,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Entersorce-20241201033300-03:33,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Entersorce-20241201033300-03:33,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Entersorce"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241201043700-Entersorce-20241201033300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Entersorce&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Entersorce (page does not exist)">Entersorce</a> it's still completely unsourced and not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notable</a> at all. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CanonNi-20241201043700-Entersorce-20241201033300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241201043700-Entersorce-20241201033300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241201043700-Entersorce-20241201033300"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Entersorce&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Entersorce (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241201091900-CanonNi-20241201043700"></span>Entersorce</a>, unreferenced biographies of living people are forbidden <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">by policy</a> on Wikipedia. Try submitting some policy compliant content instead. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Cullen328-20241201091900-CanonNi-20241201043700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241201091900-CanonNi-20241201043700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241201091900-CanonNi-20241201043700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="06:39,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85" data-mw-thread-id="h-06:39,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85-December_1-20241201063900"><span id="06:39.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-06:39,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85-December_1-20241201063900"></span>06:39, 1 December 2024 review of submission by 175.157.84.85<span data-mw-comment-end="h-06:39,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85-December_1-20241201063900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: 06:39, 1 December 2024 review of submission by 175.157.84.85"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:175.157.84.85&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:175.157.84.85 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-175.157.84.85-20241201063900-06:39,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85"></span>175.157.84.85</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:175.157.84.85&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:175.157.84.85 (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/175.157.84.85" title="Special:Contributions/175.157.84.85">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:175.157.84.85&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=06%3A39%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+175.157.84.85">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Pcx1_Present" title="Draft:Pcx1 Present">Draft:Pcx1 Present</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Pcx1_Present&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Pcx1_Present" title="Draft talk:Pcx1 Present">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Pcx1_Present&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Pcx1_Present">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Pcx1_Present&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3APcx1+Present">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Give Me an advice to edit this, This topic has wide coverage and this artist is verified person. This artist has google knowledge panel, Youtube official artist channel, verified spotify, boomplay, tiktok, musixmatch etc. And has lot of article about this artist on peliplat, issuewire, medium etc. </p><p>I'm not a sock puppet, I just need to inform that, this artist is eligible for wikiarticle. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/175.157.84.85" title="Special:Contributions/175.157.84.85">175.157.84.85</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:175.157.84.85&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:175.157.84.85 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-175.157.84.85-20241201063900-06:39,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-175.157.84.85-20241201063900-06:39,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-175.157.84.85-20241201063900-06:39,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_175.157.84.85"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201080100-175.157.84.85-20241201063900"></span>My advice is: don't edit it. This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241201080100-175.157.84.85-20241201063900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201080100-175.157.84.85-20241201063900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201080100-175.157.84.85-20241201063900"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bonadea-20241201094400-175.157.84.85-20241201063900"></span>None of the sources in the draft is reliable or independent. Having Google knowledge panels, Youtube channels, or accounts/channels/pages at spotify, musicmatch, boomplay, other streaming websites or social media websites is irrelevant, since those things don't show any notability, and can't be used as aources in Wikipedia. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">bonadea</a></i> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bonadea" title="Special:Contributions/Bonadea">contributions</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bonadea" title="User talk:Bonadea">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Bonadea-20241201094400-175.157.84.85-20241201063900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:44, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bonadea-20241201094400-175.157.84.85-20241201063900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bonadea-20241201094400-175.157.84.85-20241201063900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daupdaup-20241201145800-Bonadea-20241201094400"></span>Are you insane ? What do you mean those are not reliable sources ? What are reliable sources for a musician to be posted on Wikipedia ?? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daupdaup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daupdaup (page does not exist)">Daupdaup</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daupdaup" title="User talk:Daupdaup">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Daupdaup-20241201145800-Bonadea-20241201094400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daupdaup-20241201145800-Bonadea-20241201094400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daupdaup-20241201145800-Bonadea-20241201094400"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bonadea-20241201200200-Daupdaup-20241201145800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daupdaup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daupdaup (page does not exist)">Daupdaup</a>:</span> No, I'm not. By "none of the sources is reliable", I mean that the sources do not meet the criteria for acceptability that the Wikipedia community has agreed on. Reliable sources for musicians are the same type of sources that are reliable for other topics. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MUSICBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MUSICBIO">WP:MUSICBIO</a> has more information. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">bonadea</a></i> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bonadea" title="Special:Contributions/Bonadea">contributions</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bonadea" title="User talk:Bonadea">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Bonadea-20241201200200-Daupdaup-20241201145800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bonadea-20241201200200-Daupdaup-20241201145800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bonadea-20241201200200-Daupdaup-20241201145800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="08:12,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac" data-mw-thread-id="h-08:12,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-December_1-20241201081200"><span id="08:12.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-08:12,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-December_1-20241201081200"></span>08:12, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Thehistorianisaac<span data-mw-comment-end="h-08:12,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-December_1-20241201081200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: 08:12, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Thehistorianisaac"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201081200-08:12,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span>Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thehistorianisaac" title="Special:Contributions/Thehistorianisaac">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thehistorianisaac&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=08%3A12%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Thehistorianisaac">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade" title="Draft:7th Marine Brigade">Draft:7th Marine Brigade</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:7th_Marine_Brigade" title="Draft talk:7th Marine Brigade">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3A7th+Marine+Brigade">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>My draft was recently declined due to referencing issues. I tried to contact the reviewer via talk page but I got no response and after some time it was archived. May I ask where i can improve my draft? Considering the little amount of info i could find, i would consider it pretty good already. P.S.: The article for the 7th marine brigade exists on chinese wikipedia(<a class="external free" href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E8%A7%A3%E6%94%BE%E5%86%9B%E6%B5%B7%E5%86%9B%E9%99%86%E6%88%98%E9%98%9F%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%83%E6%97%85">https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E8%A7%A3%E6%94%BE%E5%86%9B%E6%B5%B7%E5%86%9B%E9%99%86%E6%88%98%E9%98%9F%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%83%E6%97%85</a>), I am purely translating it and adding more info <a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201081200-08:12,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201081200-08:12,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201081200-08:12,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201133600-Thehistorianisaac-20241201081200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a>: aside from the referencing issue, your draft has the related but separate problem of insufficient evidence of notability, given that the sources are almost all primary and/or associated with the Chinese government.</dd> <dd>The fact that an article on this subject exists in zh.wiki is irrelevant. Each language version is a separate project with its own policies and requirements. AFAIK, the en.wiki requirements are the most onerous, therefore it often happens that when translating from other versions, the sources need to be supplemented to meet our standards. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241201133600-Thehistorianisaac-20241201081200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201133600-Thehistorianisaac-20241201081200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201133600-Thehistorianisaac-20241201081200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000-DoubleGrazing-20241201133600"></span>It is sort of inevitable that most sources are primary and/or associated with the chinese goverment in some way, however i don't really see a problem with that so far as i can still find more sources</dd> <dd>As for evidence of notability, I think it is notable enough to have a wikipedia article about it. It is relatively famous within mainland china for such a special forces unit and additionally it has been involved in operations in the gulf of aden and is considerably notable compared to some existing articles(e.g. the <a href="/wiki/Amphibious_Rapid_Deployment_Brigade" title="Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade">Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade</a> or the <a href="/wiki/USS_LCI(L)-326" title="USS LCI(L)-326">USS <i>LCI(L)-326</i></a>).(or maybe i have interpreted evidence of notability as something completely separate) <a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000-DoubleGrazing-20241201133600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000-DoubleGrazing-20241201133600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000-DoubleGrazing-20241201133600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241201142900-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a>, when Wikipedia says "notable" we don't mean "famous" or "well known". Notable by our definition can be thought to mean "noted in multiple reliable secondary sources". More info at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Wikipedia:Notability</a>. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241201142900-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241201142900-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241201142900-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143500-Qcne-20241201142900"></span>Thanks for explaining. I kinda already had the feeling that evidence of notability is a completely separate thing from notability guidelines. <a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143500-Qcne-20241201142900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143500-Qcne-20241201142900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143500-Qcne-20241201142900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201143500-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000"></span>At the end of the day, the AfC process is voluntary (as long as you don't have a conflict of interest in this subject and aren't under any restrictions which would prevent you from creating articles), and therefore you're free to move this into the main article space yourself, if you disagree with the review. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241201143500-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201143500-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201143500-Thehistorianisaac-20241201142000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700-DoubleGrazing-20241201143500"></span>Just for some more info, what kind of sources would be considered reliable secondary sources?</dd> <dd>Most of the stuff i could find online were either primary sources or secondary sources citing the primary source. <a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700-DoubleGrazing-20241201143500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700-DoubleGrazing-20241201143500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700-DoubleGrazing-20241201143500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241201144900-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700"></span>Secondary sources are what is being looked for.....assuming that the source has performed fact checking and editorial control. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241201144900-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241201144900-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241201144900-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241201162400-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700"></span>Secondary sources citing the primary source are perfectly fine, so long as they aren't just blindly copy-pasting it. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241201162400-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241201162400-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241201162400-Thehistorianisaac-20241201143700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="14:30,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww" data-mw-thread-id="h-14:30,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww-December_1-20241201143000"><span id="14:30.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-14:30,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww-December_1-20241201143000"></span>14:30, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Edouglasww<span data-mw-comment-end="h-14:30,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww-December_1-20241201143000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: 14:30, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Edouglasww"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edouglasww&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edouglasww (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Edouglasww-20241201143000-14:30,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww"></span>Edouglasww</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edouglasww" title="User talk:Edouglasww">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Edouglasww" title="Special:Contributions/Edouglasww">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edouglasww&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=14%3A30%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Edouglasww">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Late_Cambrian_(band)" title="Draft:Late Cambrian (band)">Draft:Late Cambrian (band)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Late_Cambrian_(band)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Late_Cambrian_(band)" title="Draft talk:Late Cambrian (band)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Late_Cambrian_(band)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Late_Cambrian_(band)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Late_Cambrian_(band)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ALate+Cambrian+%28band%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I'm trying to add more references to this page so that it will be accepted to Wikipedia but Wiki has changed how to add citations/references and I don't quite understand how to add links/citations to new stuff that's been added. The old system involved putting the citiation/reference code in the piece, now it's just a five or six letter "code" with the info in the reflist at the bottom. Can't find anything explaining the changes. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edouglasww&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Edouglasww (page does not exist)">Edouglasww</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edouglasww" title="User talk:Edouglasww">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Edouglasww-20241201143000-14:30,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Edouglasww-20241201143000-14:30,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Edouglasww-20241201143000-14:30,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Edouglasww"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241201143300-Edouglasww-20241201143000"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFB">Referencing for beginners</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241201143300-Edouglasww-20241201143000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241201143300-Edouglasww-20241201143000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241201143300-Edouglasww-20241201143000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="14:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup" data-mw-thread-id="h-14:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup-December_1-20241201145700"><span id="14:57.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-14:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup-December_1-20241201145700"></span>14:57, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Daupdaup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-14:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup-December_1-20241201145700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: 14:57, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Daupdaup"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daupdaup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daupdaup (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daupdaup-20241201145700-14:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup"></span>Daupdaup</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daupdaup" title="User talk:Daupdaup">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Daupdaup" title="Special:Contributions/Daupdaup">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daupdaup&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=14%3A57%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Daupdaup">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laurent_Fourbeur&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Laurent Fourbeur (page does not exist)">Draft:Laurent Fourbeur</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laurent_Fourbeur&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Laurent_Fourbeur&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Laurent Fourbeur (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laurent_Fourbeur&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Laurent_Fourbeur">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laurent_Fourbeur&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ALaurent+Fourbeur">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>why did it got rejected ? </p><p>Laurent Fourbeur is a living person with references that are directly sent to his YouTube Channel. </p><p>I need answers. </p><p>Laurent Fourbeur's Manager. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daupdaup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daupdaup (page does not exist)">Daupdaup</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daupdaup" title="User talk:Daupdaup">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Daupdaup-20241201145700-14:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daupdaup-20241201145700-14:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daupdaup-20241201145700-14:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Daupdaup"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241201151800-Daupdaup-20241201145700"></span>Hello @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daupdaup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daupdaup (page does not exist)">Daupdaup</a>. You wrote a spam draft, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daupdaup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daupdaup (page does not exist)">Daupdaup</a>, and I have rejected it as it's pure promotion which is prohibited on Wikipedia. There is no indication that Laurent passes our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)" title="Wikipedia:Notability (music)">notability criteria for musicians</a>.</dd> <dd>As Laurent's manager, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Service to declare this conflict of interest: please immediately follow the instructions at both <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAID">WP:PAID</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a>.</dd> <dd>Don't demand answers from volunteer reviewers. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241201151800-Daupdaup-20241201145700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241201151800-Daupdaup-20241201145700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241201151800-Daupdaup-20241201145700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241201152500-Qcne-20241201151800"></span>Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Theroadislong-20241201152500-Qcne-20241201151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241201152500-Qcne-20241201151800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241201152500-Qcne-20241201151800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="16:36,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon" data-mw-thread-id="h-16:36,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon-December_1-20241201163600"><span id="16:36.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16:36,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon-December_1-20241201163600"></span>16:36, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Ajvloon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-16:36,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon-December_1-20241201163600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: 16:36, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Ajvloon"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Ajvloon" title="User:Ajvloon"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ajvloon-20241201163600-16:36,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon"></span>Ajvloon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ajvloon" title="User talk:Ajvloon">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ajvloon" title="Special:Contributions/Ajvloon">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ajvloon&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=16%3A36%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Ajvloon">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Tus_(protocol)" title="Draft:Tus (protocol)">Draft:Tus (protocol)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tus_(protocol)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Tus_(protocol)" title="Draft talk:Tus (protocol)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tus_(protocol)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Tus_(protocol)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tus_(protocol)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ATus+%28protocol%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hi there! I recently submitted a new article for the Tus open protocol for resumable uploads. Tus is an open-source internet communications protocol that is seeing considerable industry use and is currently also in the process of being included in the official HTTP protocol, which serves as the foundation for the world wide web. </p><p>I was disappointed to see my submission declined and I am now looking for some assistance to help make sure it will be accepted in the next review. </p><p>The first reason the article was declined seems clear to me: I need to find even more independent and reputable sources to support the information in the article. I thought it was already sufficiently annotated, but apparently not. </p><p>The second reason the article was declined is not clear to me. </p><p>My question then: </p><p>Which part of the article submission is considered to be `neologism'? And how do I fix this? </p> <pre><a href="/wiki/User:Ajvloon" title="User:Ajvloon">Ajvloon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ajvloon" title="User talk:Ajvloon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ajvloon-20241201163600-16:36,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ajvloon-20241201163600-16:36,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ajvloon-20241201163600-16:36,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajvloon"></span> </pre> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241201163900-Ajvloon-20241201163600"></span>Fixed the link, the whole url is not used. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241201163900-Ajvloon-20241201163600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241201163900-Ajvloon-20241201163600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241201163900-Ajvloon-20241201163600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ajvloon-20241201164000-331dot-20241201163900"></span>Cheers! Was trying to find out how to fix it myself :) <a href="/wiki/User:Ajvloon" title="User:Ajvloon">Ajvloon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ajvloon" title="User talk:Ajvloon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ajvloon-20241201164000-331dot-20241201163900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ajvloon-20241201164000-331dot-20241201163900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ajvloon-20241201164000-331dot-20241201163900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241201164100-Ajvloon-20241201163600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ajvloon" title="User:Ajvloon">Ajvloon</a>:</span> The <i>subject itself</i> seems to be considered a neologism by the reviewer, which doesn't seem to make sense here, I agree. You're writing about something tangible (a computer protocol), rather than a term definition. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241201164100-Ajvloon-20241201163600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241201164100-Ajvloon-20241201163600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241201164100-Ajvloon-20241201163600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ajvloon-20241201164800-Jéské_Couriano-20241201164100"></span>Right! Thanks. I feared that might be the case. So how do I deal with this potential reason for denial once I am ready to resubmit the article for review? <a href="/wiki/User:Ajvloon" title="User:Ajvloon">Ajvloon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ajvloon" title="User talk:Ajvloon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ajvloon-20241201164800-Jéské_Couriano-20241201164100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ajvloon-20241201164800-Jéské_Couriano-20241201164100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ajvloon-20241201164800-Jéské_Couriano-20241201164100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241201165300-Ajvloon-20241201164800"></span>Courtesy ping @<a href="/wiki/User:Reading_Beans" title="User:Reading Beans">Reading Beans</a> who can hopefully explain their reasoning. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241201165300-Ajvloon-20241201164800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241201165300-Ajvloon-20241201164800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241201165300-Ajvloon-20241201164800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Reading_Beans-20241201175400-Qcne-20241201165300"></span>I forgot to uncheck the neologism tag. There are unsourced statements there hence the decline for having unverified information. Could I have been wrong. Best, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reading_Beans" title="User talk:Reading Beans"><span style="color:#333"><b>Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia</b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Reading_Beans-20241201175400-Qcne-20241201165300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reading_Beans-20241201175400-Qcne-20241201165300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reading_Beans-20241201175400-Qcne-20241201165300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ajvloon-20241201190700-Reading_Beans-20241201175400"></span>Cheers, thanks for taking the time. So, once I hunt down and add more independent, reliable sources for the unverified claims, I'm good to go for a resubmit? <a href="/wiki/User:Ajvloon" title="User:Ajvloon">Ajvloon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ajvloon" title="User talk:Ajvloon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ajvloon-20241201190700-Reading_Beans-20241201175400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ajvloon-20241201190700-Reading_Beans-20241201175400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ajvloon-20241201190700-Reading_Beans-20241201175400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Reading_Beans-20241201195000-Ajvloon-20241201190700"></span>Most definitely. Best, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reading_Beans" title="User talk:Reading Beans"><span style="color:#333"><b>Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia</b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Reading_Beans-20241201195000-Ajvloon-20241201190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reading_Beans-20241201195000-Ajvloon-20241201190700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reading_Beans-20241201195000-Ajvloon-20241201190700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="18:21,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_BusMapper" data-mw-thread-id="h-18:21,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_BusMapper-December_1-20241201182100"><span id="18:21.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_BusMapper"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-18:21,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_BusMapper-December_1-20241201182100"></span>18:21, 1 December 2024 review of submission by BusMapper<span data-mw-comment-end="h-18:21,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_BusMapper-December_1-20241201182100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: 18:21, 1 December 2024 review of submission by BusMapper"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusMapper-20241201182100-18:21,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_BusMapper"></span>BusMapper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusMapper" title="User talk:BusMapper">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BusMapper" title="Special:Contributions/BusMapper">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BusMapper&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=18%3A21%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+BusMapper">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:James_F._Conahan_Intermodal_Transportation_Center" title="Draft:James F. Conahan Intermodal Transportation Center">Draft:James F. Conahan Intermodal Transportation Center</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:James_F._Conahan_Intermodal_Transportation_Center&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:James_F._Conahan_Intermodal_Transportation_Center&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:James F. Conahan Intermodal Transportation Center (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:James_F._Conahan_Intermodal_Transportation_Center&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:James_F._Conahan_Intermodal_Transportation_Center">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:James_F._Conahan_Intermodal_Transportation_Center&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AJames+F.+Conahan+Intermodal+Transportation+Center">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Please explain why this draft is not valid for submission. <a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusMapper" title="User talk:BusMapper">talk</a>) <a 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Sukdev_Mahapatra">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASukdev+Mahapatra">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>But Why ? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sukdev Mahapatra (page does not exist)">Sukdev Mahapatra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sukdev_Mahapatra" title="User talk:Sukdev Mahapatra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201182300-18:23,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra" 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title="Wikipedia:NOT">We are not a host for personal webpages.</a> We also do not cite social media, and sources connected to the subject themselves do not help for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notability</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241201182800-Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201182300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241201182800-Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201182300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241201182800-Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201182300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="18:32,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra" data-mw-thread-id="h-18:32,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra-December_1-20241201183200"><span id="18:32.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-18:32,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra-December_1-20241201183200"></span>18:32, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Sukdev Mahapatra<span data-mw-comment-end="h-18:32,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra-December_1-20241201183200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: 18:32, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Sukdev Mahapatra"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sukdev Mahapatra (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201183200-18:32,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra"></span>Sukdev Mahapatra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sukdev_Mahapatra" title="User talk:Sukdev Mahapatra">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sukdev_Mahapatra" title="Special:Contributions/Sukdev Mahapatra">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=18%3A32%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Sukdev+Mahapatra">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Sukdev Mahapatra (page does not exist)">Draft:Sukdev Mahapatra</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Sukdev Mahapatra (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Sukdev_Mahapatra">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASukdev+Mahapatra">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>please aproved this article because this person is Need to article pannel <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sukdev Mahapatra (page does not exist)">Sukdev Mahapatra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sukdev_Mahapatra" title="User talk:Sukdev Mahapatra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201183200-18:32,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201183200-18:32,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201183200-18:32,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sukdev_Mahapatra"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241201183600-Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201183200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sukdev Mahapatra (page does not exist)">Sukdev Mahapatra</a> Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of notable topics, not social media like LinkedIn. Has your school told you to create this article? <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241201183600-Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201183200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241201183600-Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201183200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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of submission by CallMe BurntToast"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CallMe_BurntToast&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CallMe BurntToast (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CallMe_BurntToast-20241201204900-20:49,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_CallMe_BurntToast"></span>CallMe BurntToast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CallMe_BurntToast" title="User talk:CallMe BurntToast">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CallMe_BurntToast" title="Special:Contributions/CallMe BurntToast">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CallMe_BurntToast&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=20%3A49%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+CallMe+BurntToast">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bazerk_(Makane)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Bazerk (Makane) (page does not exist)">Draft:Bazerk (Makane)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bazerk_(Makane)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Bazerk_(Makane)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Bazerk (Makane) (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bazerk_(Makane)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Bazerk_(Makane)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bazerk_(Makane)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ABazerk+%28Makane%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I have never made a wiki before and i need someone to help me make it look nice and add info i didn't even think to add. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CallMe_BurntToast&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CallMe BurntToast (page does not exist)">CallMe BurntToast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CallMe_BurntToast" title="User talk:CallMe BurntToast">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CallMe_BurntToast-20241201204900-20:49,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_CallMe_BurntToast" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CallMe_BurntToast-20241201204900-20:49,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_CallMe_BurntToast"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CallMe_BurntToast-20241201204900-20:49,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_CallMe_BurntToast"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CallMe_BurntToast&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CallMe BurntToast (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241201210200-CallMe_BurntToast-20241201204900"></span>CallMe BurntToast</a> We're not here to be co-editors, just to offer advice. One does not make a "wiki"(an entire website, composed of articles, of which Wikipedia is but one example), one makes a <b>Wikipedia article</b>. Creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it is highly recommended that new users first gain experience and knowledge by first spending much time editing existing articles in areas that interest them, as well as to use the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ADVENTURE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ADVENTURE">new user tutorial</a> to learn more about Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>The vast majority of "YouTubers" do not merit Wikipedia articles, as they are not often written about in independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources say about topics that are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notable as Wikipedia uses the word</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241201210200-CallMe_BurntToast-20241201204900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241201210200-CallMe_BurntToast-20241201204900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241201210200-CallMe_BurntToast-20241201204900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="21:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult" data-mw-thread-id="h-21:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult-December_1-20241201215700"><span id="21:57.2C_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-21:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult-December_1-20241201215700"></span>21:57, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Azcult<span data-mw-comment-end="h-21:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult-December_1-20241201215700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: 21:57, 1 December 2024 review of submission by Azcult"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Azcult&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Azcult (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Azcult-20241201215700-21:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult"></span>Azcult</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Azcult" title="User talk:Azcult">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Azcult" title="Special:Contributions/Azcult">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Azcult&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=21%3A57%2C+1+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Azcult">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:AzChike&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:AzChike (page does not exist)">Draft:AzChike</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:AzChike&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:AzChike&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:AzChike (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:AzChike&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:AzChike">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:AzChike&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAzChike">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Why was my article about my artist that I manage deleted? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Azcult&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Azcult (page does not exist)">Azcult</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Azcult" title="User talk:Azcult">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Azcult-20241201215700-21:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Azcult-20241201215700-21:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Azcult-20241201215700-21:57,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Azcult"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241201221900-Azcult-20241201215700"></span>Hello @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Azcult&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Azcult (page does not exist)">Azcult</a>. You wrote a purely promotional draft which is prohibited on Wikipedia. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam" title="Wikipedia:Spam">Wikipedia:Spam</a>. It was deleted for that reason.</dd> <dd>As the artists' manager, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Service to declare this conflict of interest: please immediately follow the instructions at both WP:PAID and WP:COI. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241201221900-Azcult-20241201215700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241201221900-Azcult-20241201215700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241201221900-Azcult-20241201215700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="December_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-December_2-20241202031600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-December_2-20241202031600"></span>December 2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-December_2-20241202031600"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: December 2"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="03:16,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp" data-mw-thread-id="h-03:16,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp-December_2-20241202031600"><span id="03:16.2C_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-03:16,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp-December_2-20241202031600"></span>03:16, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Tyriopp<span data-mw-comment-end="h-03:16,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp-December_2-20241202031600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: 03:16, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Tyriopp"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tyriopp&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tyriopp (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tyriopp-20241202031600-03:16,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp"></span>Tyriopp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tyriopp" title="User talk:Tyriopp">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tyriopp" title="Special:Contributions/Tyriopp">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tyriopp&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=03%3A16%2C+2+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Tyriopp">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Bryce_Adams" title="Draft:Bryce Adams">Draft:Bryce Adams</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bryce_Adams&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Bryce_Adams" title="Draft talk:Bryce Adams">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bryce_Adams&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Bryce_Adams">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bryce_Adams&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ABryce+Adams">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>comment was AI generated spam? how is that so? elaborate on that please and im open to advice </p> <pre><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tyriopp&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tyriopp (page does not exist)">Tyriopp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tyriopp" title="User talk:Tyriopp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Tyriopp-20241202031600-03:16,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tyriopp-20241202031600-03:16,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tyriopp-20241202031600-03:16,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tyriopp"></span> </pre> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241202122100-Tyriopp-20241202031600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tyriopp&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tyriopp (page does not exist)">Tyriopp</a>, ChatGPT and other AIs/<a href="/wiki/Large_language_models" class="mw-redirect" title="Large language models">LLMs</a> write drafts with certain details that human-written drafts usually don't have. Your draft shows signs of being written by AI. We don't generally elaborate on what those signs are because people might use that information to try to sneak AI-generated drafts into Wikipedia without anyone noticing, and there can be major problems with AI-generated articles - things like hallucinated references, for example. <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-StartGrammarTime-20241202122100-Tyriopp-20241202031600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241202122100-Tyriopp-20241202031600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StartGrammarTime-20241202122100-Tyriopp-20241202031600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241202123300-StartGrammarTime-20241202122100"></span>The tone is totally inappropriate for an encyclopaedia regardless of any AI or ChatGPT use or maybe because of it? <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Theroadislong-20241202123300-StartGrammarTime-20241202122100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241202123300-StartGrammarTime-20241202122100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241202123300-StartGrammarTime-20241202122100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="03:53,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva" data-mw-thread-id="h-03:53,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva-December_2-20241202035300"><span id="03:53.2C_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-03:53,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva-December_2-20241202035300"></span>03:53, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Stephanietheva<span data-mw-comment-end="h-03:53,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva-December_2-20241202035300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: 03:53, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Stephanietheva"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Stephanietheva" title="User:Stephanietheva"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephanietheva-20241202035300-03:53,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva"></span>Stephanietheva</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stephanietheva" title="User talk:Stephanietheva">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Stephanietheva" title="Special:Contributions/Stephanietheva">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stephanietheva&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=03%3A53%2C+2+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Stephanietheva">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Help_Me_Understand" class="mw-disambig" title="Help Me Understand">Help Me Understand</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help_Me_Understand&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Help_Me_Understand" title="Talk:Help Me Understand">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help_Me_Understand&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Help_Me_Understand">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help_Me_Understand&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3AHelp+Me+Understand">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I received this messaage: 'Your recent article submission has been rejected and cannot be resubmitted.' does this mean I can not try to rewrite the article again? </p><p>Also I received this rejection reason: 'This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.' does this mean the person I was trying to do an article about isn't popular enough? </p><p>How can I get a wikipedia page for the person I am trying to create for? What makes someone notable enough? <a href="/wiki/User:Stephanietheva" title="User:Stephanietheva">Stephanietheva</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stephanietheva" title="User talk:Stephanietheva">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Stephanietheva-20241202035300-03:53,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stephanietheva-20241202035300-03:53,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stephanietheva-20241202035300-03:53,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlphaBetaGamma-20241202050300-Stephanietheva-20241202035300"></span>I'm confused. The linked article is an article, not a draft, and it was published in 2023. I'm guessing you meant <a href="/wiki/Draft:Ivy_Cohen" title="Draft:Ivy Cohen">Draft:Ivy Cohen</a>.</dd> <dd>My opinion about this draft - it has no inline citations, which has a <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">specific guide</a>. The tone of the article is quite promotional. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WTW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WTW">This page</a> may help with that. Looking at the 4 sources, all of them seem weak. The first three of them are not independent, and the last one does not really help with notability. <a href="/wiki/User:AlphaBetaGamma" title="User:AlphaBetaGamma">ABG</a> <small> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlphaBetaGamma" title="User talk:AlphaBetaGamma">Talk/Report any mistakes here</a>) </small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-AlphaBetaGamma-20241202050300-Stephanietheva-20241202035300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlphaBetaGamma-20241202050300-Stephanietheva-20241202035300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlphaBetaGamma-20241202050300-Stephanietheva-20241202035300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241202153400-Stephanietheva-20241202035300"></span>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Stephanietheva" title="User:Stephanietheva">Stephanietheva</a>. Yes, "rejected" means that this draft cannot go any further.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Notability</a> in Wikipedia has a special meaning, which is different from popularity (and from fame, importance, influence, and all the other conventional meanings). It mostly means that there is enough <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">independent reliably published material about the subject</a> to base an article on, remembering that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a>. <small>If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.</small></dd> <dd>If you cannot find suitable sources (each of which should meet all three criteria in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a>) then the subject is probably not notable, and you should not waste any more time on this attempt. (And if the rejecting reviewer says that they are not sufficiently notable, you can generally reckon that they have gone looking for sources and not found them).</dd> <dd>If you can find sources that demonstrate notability, then you should approach the rejecting reviewer directly, citing those sources, and asking them to reconsider. But please do not bother them unless you have solid evidence that Cohen meets the criteria.</dd> <dd>My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241202153400-Stephanietheva-20241202035300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241202153400-Stephanietheva-20241202035300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241202153400-Stephanietheva-20241202035300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="03:58,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva" data-mw-thread-id="h-03:58,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva-December_2-20241202035800"><span id="03:58.2C_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-03:58,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva-December_2-20241202035800"></span>03:58, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Stephanietheva<span data-mw-comment-end="h-03:58,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva-December_2-20241202035800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: 03:58, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Stephanietheva"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephanietheva-20241202035800-03:58,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1250141580">.mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#EDEAFF;color:inherit;padding:0 0.6em;border:1px solid #8779DD}.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#c3c3c3;color:inherit;text-align:center;font-size:110%;font-weight:bold}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media(min-width:640px){.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result{width:30%}}</style><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk" style=""><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235681985">.mw-parser-output .side-box{margin:4px 0;box-sizing:border-box;border:1px solid #aaa;font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);display:flow-root}.mw-parser-output .side-box-abovebelow,.mw-parser-output .side-box-text{padding:0.25em 0.9em}.mw-parser-output .side-box-image{padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .side-box-imageright{padding:2px 0.9em 2px 0;text-align:center}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .side-box-flex{display:flex;align-items:center}.mw-parser-output .side-box-text{flex:1;min-width:0}}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .side-box{width:238px}.mw-parser-output .side-box-right{clear:right;float:right;margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .side-box-left{margin-right:1em}}</style><div class="side-box metadata side-box-right archive-top-result" style="padding: 10px; line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;">Duplicate discussion. The original thread seems to be located above this one.</div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Stephanietheva" title="User:Stephanietheva">Stephanietheva</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stephanietheva" title="User talk:Stephanietheva">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Stephanietheva" title="Special:Contributions/Stephanietheva">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stephanietheva&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=03%3A58%2C+2+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Stephanietheva">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Ivy_Cohen" title="Draft:Ivy Cohen">Draft:Ivy Cohen</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ivy_Cohen&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Ivy_Cohen&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Ivy Cohen (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ivy_Cohen&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Ivy_Cohen">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ivy_Cohen&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AIvy+Cohen">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I received this messaage: 'Your recent article submission has been rejected and cannot be resubmitted.' does this mean I can not try to rewrite the article again? </p><p>Also I received this rejection reason: 'This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.' does this mean the person I was trying to do an article about isn't popular enough? </p><p>How can I get a wikipedia page for the person I am trying to create for? What makes someone notable enough? <a href="/wiki/User:Stephanietheva" title="User:Stephanietheva">Stephanietheva</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stephanietheva" title="User talk:Stephanietheva">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Stephanietheva-20241202035800-03:58,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stephanietheva-20241202035800-03:58,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stephanietheva-20241202035800-03:58,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Stephanietheva"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241202041800-Stephanietheva-20241202035800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Stephanietheva" title="User:Stephanietheva">Stephanietheva</a>, did you click the link in the message? It explains notability as Wikipedia means it, and will tell you what you need to find if you want to show that your subject is notable and thus should have an article. <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-StartGrammarTime-20241202041800-Stephanietheva-20241202035800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241202041800-Stephanietheva-20241202035800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StartGrammarTime-20241202041800-Stephanietheva-20241202035800"></span></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="04:13,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid" data-mw-thread-id="h-04:13,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid-December_2-20241202041300"><span id="04:13.2C_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-04:13,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid-December_2-20241202041300"></span>04:13, 2 December 2024 review of submission by DebugDruid<span data-mw-comment-end="h-04:13,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid-December_2-20241202041300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: 04:13, 2 December 2024 review of submission by DebugDruid"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:DebugDruid" title="User:DebugDruid"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DebugDruid-20241202041300-04:13,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid"></span>DebugDruid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DebugDruid" title="User talk:DebugDruid">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/DebugDruid" title="Special:Contributions/DebugDruid">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DebugDruid&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=04%3A13%2C+2+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+DebugDruid">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Cranbourne_West_Secondary_College" title="Draft:Cranbourne West Secondary College">Draft:Cranbourne West Secondary College</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Cranbourne_West_Secondary_College&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Cranbourne_West_Secondary_College" title="Draft talk:Cranbourne West Secondary College">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Cranbourne_West_Secondary_College&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Cranbourne_West_Secondary_College">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Cranbourne_West_Secondary_College&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ACranbourne+West+Secondary+College">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I am writing to see if I can receive a response regarding an archived ticket that I have logged with HelpDesk: 04:38, 7 November 2024 review of submission by DebugDruid </p><p>I already added a response to this archived ticket however I have realized that I may not get a response, therefore I'm logging a new ticket. </p><p>In regards to the archived ticket, I was given the feedback that I should improve the Wikipedia page in regards to the Notability and WP:GNG policies. As the draft submission was rejected due to not meeting these policies. </p><p>As per the feedback, I have made changes to the draft and have added sources which cover the topic, hopefully complying with the WP:GNG and Notability policies. Could you please let me know if these polices are met now and if it would be suitable for me to go ahead and submit it. Any further feedback is much appreciated as it would assist in updating the draft even further! </p><p>Thank you in advance! <a href="/wiki/User:DebugDruid" title="User:DebugDruid">DebugDruid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DebugDruid" title="User talk:DebugDruid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DebugDruid-20241202041300-04:13,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DebugDruid-20241202041300-04:13,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DebugDruid-20241202041300-04:13,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_DebugDruid"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlphaBetaGamma-20241202045600-DebugDruid-20241202041300"></span>You might have wanted to directly discuss with the reviewer who rejected your draft (@<a href="/wiki/User:Shadow311" title="User:Shadow311">Shadow311</a> in this case) first. <a href="/wiki/User:AlphaBetaGamma" title="User:AlphaBetaGamma">ABG</a> <small> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlphaBetaGamma" title="User talk:AlphaBetaGamma">Talk/Report any mistakes here</a>) </small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-AlphaBetaGamma-20241202045600-DebugDruid-20241202041300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlphaBetaGamma-20241202045600-DebugDruid-20241202041300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlphaBetaGamma-20241202045600-DebugDruid-20241202041300"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bonadea-20241202062600-DebugDruid-20241202041300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DebugDruid" title="User:DebugDruid">DebugDruid</a>:</span> Submit the draft for review – that's how you request feedback on notability. The draft has not been rejected (which would mean that you couldn't resubmit it), only declined, which means that you have the option ti resubmit. Your fellow editors who volunteer as reviewers don't do pre-reviews at this help board. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">bonadea</a></i> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bonadea" title="Special:Contributions/Bonadea">contributions</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bonadea" title="User talk:Bonadea">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Bonadea-20241202062600-DebugDruid-20241202041300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bonadea-20241202062600-DebugDruid-20241202041300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bonadea-20241202062600-DebugDruid-20241202041300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="05:51,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP" data-mw-thread-id="h-05:51,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP-December_2-20241202055100"><span id="05:51.2C_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-05:51,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP-December_2-20241202055100"></span>05:51, 2 December 2024 review of submission by ORISEXP<span data-mw-comment-end="h-05:51,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP-December_2-20241202055100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: 05:51, 2 December 2024 review of submission by ORISEXP"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ORISEXP&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ORISEXP (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ORISEXP-20241202055100-05:51,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP"></span>ORISEXP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ORISEXP" title="User talk:ORISEXP">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ORISEXP" title="Special:Contributions/ORISEXP">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ORISEXP&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=05%3A51%2C+2+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+ORISEXP">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Nicholas_Bowman" title="Draft:Nicholas Bowman">Draft:Nicholas Bowman</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Nicholas_Bowman&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Nicholas_Bowman" title="Draft talk:Nicholas Bowman">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Nicholas_Bowman&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Nicholas_Bowman">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Nicholas_Bowman&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ANicholas+Bowman">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hello Community! I hope I find you doing well. I created a Wikipedia page yesterday and the submission was declined. Is there any natural cause for this? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ORISEXP&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ORISEXP (page does not exist)">ORISEXP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ORISEXP" title="User talk:ORISEXP">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ORISEXP-20241202055100-05:51,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ORISEXP-20241202055100-05:51,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ORISEXP-20241202055100-05:51,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_ORISEXP"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ORISEXP&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ORISEXP (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202100800-ORISEXP-20241202055100"></span>ORISEXP</a> Please see the message left at the top of your draft by the reviewer, and also read the policies linked to therein. I would ask you what your connection is to this musician, as you appear to have taken a photo of him in his vehicle. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241202100800-ORISEXP-20241202055100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202100800-ORISEXP-20241202055100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202100800-ORISEXP-20241202055100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="06:07,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal" data-mw-thread-id="h-06:07,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal-December_2-20241202060700"><span id="06:07.2C_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-06:07,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal-December_2-20241202060700"></span>06:07, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Seblmnal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-06:07,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal-December_2-20241202060700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: 06:07, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Seblmnal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Seblmnal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Seblmnal (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seblmnal-20241202060700-06:07,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal"></span>Seblmnal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seblmnal" title="User talk:Seblmnal">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Seblmnal" title="Special:Contributions/Seblmnal">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Seblmnal&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=06%3A07%2C+2+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Seblmnal">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:Seblmnal/sandbox" title="User:Seblmnal/sandbox">User:Seblmnal/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Seblmnal/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seblmnal/sandbox" title="User talk:Seblmnal/sandbox">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Seblmnal/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Seblmnal/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Seblmnal/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ASeblmnal%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>i was rejected and i want to fix the problem <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Seblmnal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Seblmnal (page does not exist)">Seblmnal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seblmnal" title="User talk:Seblmnal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Seblmnal-20241202060700-06:07,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seblmnal-20241202060700-06:07,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seblmnal-20241202060700-06:07,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Seblmnal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202095800-Seblmnal-20241202060700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Seblmnal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Seblmnal (page does not exist)">Seblmnal</a>: the problem isn't easily fixed; there is nothing in this draft to suggest that you are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a> in the Wikipedia context. Focus on your career, get covered in the media, maybe win a Grammy or two, and one day someone will surely write an article on you. (Even then that someone shouldn't be you, though – see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIO">WP:AUTOBIO</a>). -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241202095800-Seblmnal-20241202060700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202095800-Seblmnal-20241202060700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202095800-Seblmnal-20241202060700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="11:27,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Pancras_Hogendoorn" data-mw-thread-id="h-11:27,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Pancras_Hogendoorn-December_2-20241202112700"><span id="11:27.2C_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Pancras_Hogendoorn"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-11:27,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Pancras_Hogendoorn-December_2-20241202112700"></span>11:27, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Pancras Hogendoorn<span data-mw-comment-end="h-11:27,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Pancras_Hogendoorn-December_2-20241202112700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: 11:27, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Pancras Hogendoorn"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pancras_Hogendoorn&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pancras Hogendoorn (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202112700-11:27,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Pancras_Hogendoorn"></span>Pancras Hogendoorn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pancras_Hogendoorn" title="User talk:Pancras Hogendoorn">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pancras_Hogendoorn" title="Special:Contributions/Pancras Hogendoorn">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pancras_Hogendoorn&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=11%3A27%2C+2+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Pancras+Hogendoorn">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Paul_Ernst_(pathologist)" title="Paul Ernst (pathologist)">Paul Ernst (pathologist)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Ernst_(pathologist)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Paul_Ernst_(pathologist)" title="Talk:Paul Ernst (pathologist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Ernst_(pathologist)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Paul_Ernst_(pathologist)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Ernst_(pathologist)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3APaul+Ernst+%28pathologist%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I have added a reference which I use 3 times in the text and it now gives: Cite error: The named reference Andreas Wieser (Zurich; 1993) Inaugural dissertation. Der Pathologe Paul Ernst (1859-1937) was invoked but never defined (see the help page). I looked at the help page but cannot get it fixed. Can you help me out? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pancras_Hogendoorn&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pancras Hogendoorn (page does not exist)">Pancras Hogendoorn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pancras_Hogendoorn" title="User talk:Pancras Hogendoorn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202112700-11:27,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Pancras_Hogendoorn" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202112700-11:27,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Pancras_Hogendoorn"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202112700-11:27,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Pancras_Hogendoorn"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202113700-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202112700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pancras_Hogendoorn&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pancras Hogendoorn (page does not exist)">Pancras Hogendoorn</a>: this isn't strictly speaking an AfC matter anymore, now that the draft has been published; you should ask at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse">Teahouse</a> or the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk" title="Wikipedia:Help desk">Help desk</a> instead. But since you're here... the problem is in the first citation: <ref name="Andreas Wieser (Zurich; 1993) Inaugural dissertation. Der Pathologe Paul Ernst (1859-1937)"> This is calling a source named "Andreas Wieser (Zurich; 1993) Inaugural dissertation. Der Pathologe Paul Ernst (1859-1937)", but no such source name has been defined. The solution is actually easier to do than to explain, so I'll go and fix it for you. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241202113700-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202112700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202113700-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202112700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202113700-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202112700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202141700-DoubleGrazing-20241202113700"></span>Thanks!! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pancras_Hogendoorn&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pancras Hogendoorn (page does not exist)">Pancras Hogendoorn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pancras_Hogendoorn" title="User talk:Pancras Hogendoorn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202141700-DoubleGrazing-20241202113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202141700-DoubleGrazing-20241202113700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pancras_Hogendoorn-20241202141700-DoubleGrazing-20241202113700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="13:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kirkoconnell" data-mw-thread-id="h-13:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kirkoconnell-December_2-20241202134500"><span id="13:45.2C_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kirkoconnell"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-13:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kirkoconnell-December_2-20241202134500"></span>13:45, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Kirkoconnell<span data-mw-comment-end="h-13:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kirkoconnell-December_2-20241202134500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: 13:45, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Kirkoconnell"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Kirkoconnell" title="User:Kirkoconnell"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500-13:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kirkoconnell"></span>Kirkoconnell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kirkoconnell" title="User talk:Kirkoconnell">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kirkoconnell" title="Special:Contributions/Kirkoconnell">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kirkoconnell&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=13%3A45%2C+2+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Kirkoconnell">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Estelle_Clements" title="Draft:Estelle Clements">Draft:Estelle Clements</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Estelle_Clements&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Estelle_Clements" title="Draft talk:Estelle Clements">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Estelle_Clements&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Estelle_Clements">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Estelle_Clements&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AEstelle+Clements">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I follow the Digital Civics page and I went to University with Estelle and have followed her career for a while now. </p><p>I am just noticing some declines in articles write by or about her. I suspect she tried to edit her own articles, at least from what I can tell here. </p><p>I guess I thought I would request less vague assistance. On this article in particular, it seems rather well written with great sourcing, yet it states that the sources are not enough. </p><p>I've checked them and they seem fine to me. Now, I have been editing on Wikipedia for a while now and I know rules have changed, but is there something explicitly wrong with the sources listed that can be addressed as opposed to this vague "Not the Right Kind of sources", as it lists. When I reviewed the requirements for that page and compared them to the links, they actually seem to meet the criteria. </p><p>Anyway, looking at this here, I think Estelle's issue was that she believed it was OK for her to edit her own articles, which I know is a no-go. I am willing to write the articles but I don't want to be in this circular trap of modifying an article, getting it taken down for "sources issues" and constantly fight back and forth on it. </p><p>So can I get clearer direction on what the sourcing issue is exactly so that I may address it? </p><p>All I really know is that Dr. Clements really did do research, really is a Digital Civics expert, and developed at least two concepts in the field, well the field itself (Digital Civics) and Shadow Footprints, from the studies and articles she has released anyway. </p><p>Besides having attending University with Dr. Clements, I have followed her career has it took her from North America over to the UK and am keen on getting these concepts in Wikipedia. I do science communication and Digital civics in general, and Shadow Footprints as a concept, have been great insights to trying to solve the divide we see with information online. </p><p>So I am willing to work with people on what needs to be changed, but I do need a bit more than "source not be good". <a href="/wiki/User:Kirkoconnell" title="User:Kirkoconnell">Kirkoconnell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kirkoconnell" title="User talk:Kirkoconnell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500-13:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kirkoconnell" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500-13:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kirkoconnell"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500-13:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kirkoconnell"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202140000-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Kirkoconnell" title="User:Kirkoconnell">Kirkoconnell</a>: just to clarify, this draft was declined for lack of evidence that the subject is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a>, not for inadequate sources per se. Notability, according to the general <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> guideline, requires significant coverage directly of the subject, in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent. This draft cites mostly works by the subject, plus a few other primary sources, which doesn't satisfy GNG.</dd> <dd>The other route for academics to demonstrate notability is described in the special <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPROF">WP:NPROF</a> guideline, and more specifically in the list of criteria at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NACADEMIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NACADEMIC">WP:NACADEMIC</a>. The main difference between this and GNG is that the focus is less on secondary sources (in fact, so much so that no secondary sources are needed at all), and more on career achievements and standing in the academic community. It may be that NPROF is easier to satisfy in this case, based on your description and a quick scan of the sources. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241202140000-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202140000-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202140000-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kirkoconnell-20241202143200-DoubleGrazing-20241202140000"></span>It is interesting watching the rules change constantly.</dd> <dd>I think unless Estelle won a Noble prize, I doubt she could meet the requirements listed in modern academics.</dd> <dd>I remember once that I was accused of hating Gay people because I deleted an account from someone who wasn't considered notable: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_Jensen">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_Jensen</a>. They literally harassed me online until I stopped requesting that their account get deleted.</dd> <dd>I wish you guys cared as much about the rules back then. Well, I give up. I tried to help but I guess the whole "Be Bold" thing is just BS.</dd> <dd>I would ask for a greater clarification, as when I review what is posted and the sources I see it hit the checkmarks you are demanding, but when you review it you don't see that, but I suspect there is no further direction incoming. Just "this doesn't meet some weird standard IN MY OPINION because, sure, it matches the words of it but I DO NOT BELIEVE it matches the words, so therefore, it does not".</dd> <dd>I get it.</dd> <dd>Sorry I even tried. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kirkoconnell" title="User:Kirkoconnell">Kirkoconnell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kirkoconnell" title="User talk:Kirkoconnell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Kirkoconnell-20241202143200-DoubleGrazing-20241202140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kirkoconnell-20241202143200-DoubleGrazing-20241202140000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kirkoconnell-20241202143200-DoubleGrazing-20241202140000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Kirkoconnell" title="User:Kirkoconnell"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202144300-Kirkoconnell-20241202143200"></span>Kirkoconnell</a> "Be bold" means we want people to act, but it doesn't mean they get a pass on policies and consultation with other editors/consensus. This process is usually voluntary, if you truly feel that the reviewer got it wrong, you are free to move the draft into the encyclopedia yourself, though you are rolling the dice that it will not be nominated for deletion. The main standard reviewers go by is "would this survive an Articles for deletion discussion"?</dd> <dd>I know it's depressing to have something you worked on criticized and declined, but that doesn't mean we don't care about rules. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241202144300-Kirkoconnell-20241202143200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202144300-Kirkoconnell-20241202143200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202144300-Kirkoconnell-20241202143200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100-331dot-20241202144300"></span>I just don't care for this weird fighting.</dd> <dd>When I religiously edited the site, people would fight with me COSNTANTLY about non-sense articles that never met standard, but the Wiki people would say "Be Bold" and keep the article.</dd> <dd>NOW, I see a legit article with full citations that match literally every requirement to a Tee, and NOW there is a WHOLE NEW LEVEL of requirements to make an article, that cannot seem to accurately defined, but it's wrong because "reasons" and until I fix these ambiguous "reasons", the article cannot even be displayed. And when I ask for examples of the "reasons", I get no feedback whatever, or I get given a 55 page article and told to read it. Then I do read it, find no issues that match up, ask again where I made the mistake, and get zero actual feedback again.</dd> <dd>I am just losing faith in Wikipedia in general. It seems if you are an idiot, you can make whatever article you want and it's cool. If you actually do research, try to cite things, people will delete the articles, say some vague non-sense that does not make sense in the context of the article, when you push back and ask for more explicit information, they just throw their hands up and say "find someone else".</dd> <dd>"I know it's depressing to have something you worked on criticized and declined, but that doesn't mean we don't care about rules."</dd> <dd>WHAT ****ING RULES? Where is the problem? THIS IS WHAT I AM ASKING. I get told "These sources don't cite this", where those sources are not meant to cite that, so what is the problem? Or I get told "Not enough secondary sources", I point to at least three that were in the article from the start and no one mentions secondary sources to me again but it's still a problem.</dd> <dd>I WANT TO FIX THE ARTICLE. But saying vague non-sense and when they ask for more feedback because it seems what is being said doesn't match what the accused claim is, how am I supposed to fix it?</dd> <dd>If you accuse me of stealing and I claim I have video evidence of myself in my house the whole day, your reply can't be "well stuff was stolen, deal with it" and expect me to be OK with that.</dd> <dd>Unless you are on Wikipedia, apparently. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kirkoconnell" title="User:Kirkoconnell">Kirkoconnell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kirkoconnell" title="User talk:Kirkoconnell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100-331dot-20241202144300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100-331dot-20241202144300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100-331dot-20241202144300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202160900-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100"></span>I'm confused, what is unclear or vague about the reasons being given to you? They seem pretty clear to me- but it could just be me, truly. You were even told that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPROF">WP:NPROF</a> is the best pathway forward here. It doesn't require a Nobel Prize, but if you don't think you can show she meets those criteria, the more general notable person definition would be controlling.</dd> <dd>Note that the nature of this process is that different reviewers will see different things at different times, and may not see what was seen before. That doesn't mean it is or is not still a problem.</dd> <dd>I understand not wanting to fight- but that's sometimes necessary. This isn't a place to just post something and forget about it. You need to be here- active and defending it at least for a time. Not everyone wants to do that- which is fine- but that's the nature of a collaborative community with different people and different perspectives. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241202160900-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202160900-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202160900-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202161000-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100"></span>I again stress- if you feel the reviewer got it wrong, or this process is too bureaucratic and stressful- it's not required that you use it. You can move it into the encyclopedia yourself. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241202161000-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202161000-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202161000-Kirkoconnell-20241202155100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241202200100-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kirkoconnell" title="User:Kirkoconnell">Kirkoconnell</a> Can we skip the stuff about whether Wikipedia is fair or not, please.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Draft:Estelle_Clements" title="Draft:Estelle Clements">Draft:Estelle Clements</a> has been declined once by <a href="/wiki/User:SafariScribe" title="User:SafariScribe">SafariScribe</a>. In the event that you feel a review to be in any way not justifiable it is customary to ask that reviewer. It's fine to come here, but we cannot know what is in their mind.</dd> <dd>I'm going to have a look at the draft and make my determination. I may agree with them or disagree. I'll let you know either way.</dd> <dd>I'm no-one special. Just a reviewer. You'll still get my best opinion, whatever I am. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241202200100-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241202200100-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241202200100-Kirkoconnell-20241202134500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241202202000-Timtrent-20241202200100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kirkoconnell" title="User:Kirkoconnell">Kirkoconnell</a> As promised, I have left a detailed review <i>comment</i> on the draft. This is as useful to you as a formal review. I have noted that I am currently unable to assess the contribution her authorship of papers makes towards her notability. We need other eyes for that.</dd> <dd>I hope that meets your needs in your original post. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241202202000-Timtrent-20241202200100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241202202000-Timtrent-20241202200100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241202202000-Timtrent-20241202200100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="17:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Cael_Thorington" data-mw-thread-id="h-17:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Cael_Thorington-December_2-20241202174500"><span id="17:45.2C_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Cael_Thorington"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-17:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Cael_Thorington-December_2-20241202174500"></span>17:45, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Cael Thorington<span data-mw-comment-end="h-17:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Cael_Thorington-December_2-20241202174500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: 17:45, 2 December 2024 review of submission by Cael Thorington"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cael_Thorington&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cael Thorington (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500-17:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Cael_Thorington"></span>Cael Thorington</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cael_Thorington" title="User talk:Cael Thorington">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cael_Thorington" title="Special:Contributions/Cael Thorington">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cael_Thorington&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=17%3A45%2C+2+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Cael+Thorington">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:Cael_Thorington/sandbox" title="User:Cael Thorington/sandbox">User:Cael Thorington/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cael_Thorington/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cael_Thorington/sandbox" title="User talk:Cael Thorington/sandbox">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cael_Thorington/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Cael_Thorington/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cael_Thorington/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ACael+Thorington%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Why wont you accept my article I just want a page on wikipedia <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cael_Thorington&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cael Thorington (page does not exist)">Cael Thorington</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cael_Thorington" title="User talk:Cael Thorington">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500-17:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Cael_Thorington" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500-17:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Cael_Thorington"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500-17:45,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Cael_Thorington"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cael_Thorington&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cael Thorington (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202195500-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500"></span>Cael Thorington</a> People don't have "pages" on Wikipedia. Wikipedia has <b>articles</b> about people, typically written by independent editors. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves, please see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTO">autobiography policy</a>. I suggest you focus on your career, if you truly meet the relevant <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIO">notability criteria</a>, someone will eventually write about you. Be aware that a Wikipedia article about yourself is not necessariluy desirable, there are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROUD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROUD">good reasons to not want one</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241202195500-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202195500-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202195500-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241202195300-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cael_Thorington&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cael Thorington (page does not exist)">Cael Thorington</a> Do you pass <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NATHLETE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NATHLETE">WP:NATHLETE</a>? 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241202195300-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241202195300-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241202195300-Cael_Thorington-20241202174500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="17:57,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_The_Politicians_Page" data-mw-thread-id="h-17:57,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_The_Politicians_Page-December_2-20241202175700"><span id="17:57.2C_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_The_Politicians_Page"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-17:57,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_The_Politicians_Page-December_2-20241202175700"></span>17:57, 2 December 2024 review of submission by The Politicians Page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-17:57,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_The_Politicians_Page-December_2-20241202175700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: 17:57, 2 December 2024 review of submission by The Politicians Page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:The_Politicians_Page&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:The Politicians Page (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Politicians_Page-20241202175700-17:57,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_The_Politicians_Page"></span>The Politicians Page</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Politicians_Page" title="User talk:The Politicians Page">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Politicians_Page" title="Special:Contributions/The Politicians Page">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Politicians_Page&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=17%3A57%2C+2+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+The+Politicians+Page">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Thirupathi_Bodapatla" title="Draft:Thirupathi Bodapatla">Draft:Thirupathi Bodapatla</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Thirupathi_Bodapatla&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Thirupathi_Bodapatla" title="Draft talk:Thirupathi Bodapatla">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Thirupathi_Bodapatla&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Thirupathi_Bodapatla">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Thirupathi_Bodapatla&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AThirupathi+Bodapatla">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>It's been frequently rejected, after adding references also. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:The_Politicians_Page&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:The Politicians Page (page does not exist)">The Politicians Page</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Politicians_Page" title="User talk:The Politicians Page">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-The_Politicians_Page-20241202175700-17:57,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_The_Politicians_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Politicians_Page-20241202175700-17:57,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_The_Politicians_Page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Politicians_Page-20241202175700-17:57,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_The_Politicians_Page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202194800-The_Politicians_Page-20241202175700"></span>If you have fundamentally changed the draft to address the concerns of reviewers, you first must appeal to the reviewer that rejected the draft directly. He seems to be a lower level regional party official; he wouldn't meet the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOLITICIAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOLITICIAN">notable politician</a> definition as he does not hold public office. The coverage doesn't seem to be there to meet the broader <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIO">notable person</a> definition, this is why the draft was rejected. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241202194800-The_Politicians_Page-20241202175700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202194800-The_Politicians_Page-20241202175700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202194800-The_Politicians_Page-20241202175700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241202195800-331dot-20241202194800"></span>Please also note that Tumblr and Facebook are not reliable sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Theroadislong-20241202195800-331dot-20241202194800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241202195800-331dot-20241202194800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8 (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8" title="Special:Contributions/2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=18%3A22%2C+2+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+2607%3AF010%3A2E9%3A22%3A148F%3AC242%3A7DDC%3A8DC8">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Self-Continuity" title="Draft:Self-Continuity">Draft:Self-Continuity</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Self-Continuity&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Self-Continuity" title="Draft talk:Self-Continuity">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Self-Continuity&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Self-Continuity">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Self-Continuity&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASelf-Continuity">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hi, thank you so much for the feedback. Could you give some detailed feedback on how to improve it? I'd really like to see this article be posted. Thank you so much again for the review! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8" title="Special:Contributions/2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8">2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8-20241202182200-18:22,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8-20241202182200-18:22,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8-20241202182200-18:22,_2_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202194400-2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8-20241202182200"></span>Remember to log in when posting. The previous reviews must remain on the draft. It was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. It's still written in an essay style. If you are able to fundamentally change the style of the draft to be more encyclopedic, you must first appeal to the rejecting reviewer directly. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241202194400-2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8-20241202182200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202194400-2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8-20241202182200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202194400-2607:F010:2E9:22:148F:C242:7DDC:8DC8-20241202182200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="December_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-December_3-20241203061400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-December_3-20241203061400"></span>December 3<span data-mw-comment-end="h-December_3-20241203061400"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: December 3"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="06:14,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty" data-mw-thread-id="h-06:14,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty-December_3-20241203061400"><span id="06:14.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-06:14,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty-December_3-20241203061400"></span>06:14, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Abhayamohanty<span data-mw-comment-end="h-06:14,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty-December_3-20241203061400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=71" title="Edit section: 06:14, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Abhayamohanty"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Abhayamohanty" title="User:Abhayamohanty"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abhayamohanty-20241203061400-06:14,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty"></span>Abhayamohanty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abhayamohanty" title="User talk:Abhayamohanty">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abhayamohanty" title="Special:Contributions/Abhayamohanty">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Abhayamohanty&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=06%3A14%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Abhayamohanty">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Preetinanda_Routray" title="Draft:Preetinanda Routray">Draft:Preetinanda Routray</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Preetinanda_Routray&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Preetinanda_Routray&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Preetinanda Routray (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Preetinanda_Routray&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Preetinanda_Routray">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Preetinanda_Routray&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3APreetinanda+Routray">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>after repeated submission it's declined <a href="/wiki/User:Abhayamohanty" title="User:Abhayamohanty">Abhayamohanty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abhayamohanty" title="User talk:Abhayamohanty">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Abhayamohanty-20241203061400-06:14,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abhayamohanty-20241203061400-06:14,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abhayamohanty-20241203061400-06:14,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203061700-Abhayamohanty-20241203061400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Abhayamohanty" title="User:Abhayamohanty">Abhayamohanty</a>: that's correct. Did you have a question you wanted to ask? -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241203061700-Abhayamohanty-20241203061400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203061700-Abhayamohanty-20241203061400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203061700-Abhayamohanty-20241203061400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="06:24,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty" data-mw-thread-id="h-06:24,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty-December_3-20241203062400"><span id="06:24.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-06:24,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty-December_3-20241203062400"></span>06:24, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Abhayamohanty<span data-mw-comment-end="h-06:24,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty-December_3-20241203062400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: 06:24, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Abhayamohanty"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Abhayamohanty" title="User:Abhayamohanty"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abhayamohanty-20241203062400-06:24,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty"></span>Abhayamohanty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abhayamohanty" title="User talk:Abhayamohanty">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abhayamohanty" title="Special:Contributions/Abhayamohanty">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Abhayamohanty&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=06%3A24%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Abhayamohanty">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Preetinanda_Routray" title="Draft:Preetinanda Routray">Draft:Preetinanda Routray</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Preetinanda_Routray&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Preetinanda_Routray&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Preetinanda Routray (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Preetinanda_Routray&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Preetinanda_Routray">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Preetinanda_Routray&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3APreetinanda+Routray">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>can i resubmit the draft </p> <pre><a href="/wiki/User:Abhayamohanty" title="User:Abhayamohanty">Abhayamohanty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abhayamohanty" title="User talk:Abhayamohanty">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Abhayamohanty-20241203062400-06:24,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abhayamohanty-20241203062400-06:24,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abhayamohanty-20241203062400-06:24,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Abhayamohanty"></span> </pre> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bonadea-20241203074700-Abhayamohanty-20241203062400"></span>No, it has been rejected. It has no sources. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">bonadea</a></i> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bonadea" title="Special:Contributions/Bonadea">contributions</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bonadea" title="User talk:Bonadea">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Bonadea-20241203074700-Abhayamohanty-20241203062400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bonadea-20241203074700-Abhayamohanty-20241203062400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bonadea-20241203074700-Abhayamohanty-20241203062400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="09:03,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajeesh_Sudhakar" data-mw-thread-id="h-09:03,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajeesh_Sudhakar-December_3-20241203090300"><span id="09:03.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajeesh_Sudhakar"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-09:03,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajeesh_Sudhakar-December_3-20241203090300"></span>09:03, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Ajeesh Sudhakar<span data-mw-comment-end="h-09:03,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajeesh_Sudhakar-December_3-20241203090300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=73" title="Edit section: 09:03, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Ajeesh Sudhakar"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Ajeesh_Sudhakar" title="User:Ajeesh Sudhakar"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ajeesh_Sudhakar-20241203090300-09:03,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajeesh_Sudhakar"></span>Ajeesh Sudhakar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ajeesh_Sudhakar" title="User talk:Ajeesh Sudhakar">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ajeesh_Sudhakar" title="Special:Contributions/Ajeesh Sudhakar">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ajeesh_Sudhakar&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=09%3A03%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Ajeesh+Sudhakar">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Hyperpure" title="Draft:Hyperpure">Draft:Hyperpure</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hyperpure&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Hyperpure" title="Draft talk:Hyperpure">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hyperpure&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Hyperpure">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hyperpure&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AHyperpure">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hadn't the draft been sounding from a neutral point of view. Can you help with which portion it is the otherwise. <a href="/wiki/User:Ajeesh_Sudhakar" title="User:Ajeesh Sudhakar">Ajeesh Sudhakar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ajeesh_Sudhakar" title="User talk:Ajeesh Sudhakar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ajeesh_Sudhakar-20241203090300-09:03,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajeesh_Sudhakar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ajeesh_Sudhakar-20241203090300-09:03,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajeesh_Sudhakar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ajeesh_Sudhakar-20241203090300-09:03,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ajeesh_Sudhakar"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203092000-Ajeesh_Sudhakar-20241203090300"></span>You have just summarized the routine activities of the company, not significant coverage of it in independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> that shows how it meets the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">special Wikipedia definition of a notable company</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203092000-Ajeesh_Sudhakar-20241203090300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203092000-Ajeesh_Sudhakar-20241203090300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203092000-Ajeesh_Sudhakar-20241203090300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="10:34,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_RJClark1447" data-mw-thread-id="h-10:34,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_RJClark1447-December_3-20241203103400"><span id="10:34.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_RJClark1447"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-10:34,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_RJClark1447-December_3-20241203103400"></span>10:34, 3 December 2024 review of submission by RJClark1447<span 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<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/RJClark1447" title="Special:Contributions/RJClark1447">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RJClark1447&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=10%3A34%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+RJClark1447">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:The_Clark_Curves_(for_Calculating_Curtailed_Cricket_Contests)" title="Draft:The Clark Curves (for Calculating Curtailed Cricket Contests)">Draft:The Clark Curves (for Calculating Curtailed Cricket Contests)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Clark_Curves_(for_Calculating_Curtailed_Cricket_Contests)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:The_Clark_Curves_(for_Calculating_Curtailed_Cricket_Contests)" title="Draft talk:The Clark Curves (for Calculating Curtailed Cricket Contests)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Clark_Curves_(for_Calculating_Curtailed_Cricket_Contests)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:The_Clark_Curves_(for_Calculating_Curtailed_Cricket_Contests)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Clark_Curves_(for_Calculating_Curtailed_Cricket_Contests)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AThe+Clark+Curves+%28for+Calculating+Curtailed+Cricket+Contests%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Note: This question and the associated submission should be read by someone who considers him/herself an expert in international limited overs cricket. I have submitted an outline of my method for calculating targets and results in limited overs cricket matches interrupted (by rain), The Clark Curves, which was used for all cricket in South Africa from 1995 - 1998. This has been rejected for lack of references. I have cited 16 references made up of printed material, website material and famous international cricketers. I’m afraid that I can do no more than that. The current system in use (as specified by the ICC) is the Duckworth Lewis Stern method. The application of this method has been fraught with controversy. During the 2003 Cricket World Cup, it was invoked 5 times in very different circumstances. All 5 were controversial and the method was hammered in the media. At the end of the tournament Frank Duckworth wrote a 5 page explanation defending his method. “Me thinks the gentleman doth protest too much” (Ref: William Shakespeare). I have a copy of Dr. Duckworth’s protest note if you’d like to see it. Steven Stern has (secretly) improved much of Duckworth/Lewis’ original, inaccurate data bringing, what is now his method, much closer to my 1995 original (first published 3 seasons before the DLS). However, my correspondence with Steven indicates that some of the fundamental tenets of the system e.g. the treatment of wickets, will never be corrected so, sooner or later, there will be another controversial calculation at a crucial time. </p><p>My objective in having the Clark Curves available on Wikipedia, before I die, is that when the ICC finally comes to its senses, another method is readily available. You may or may not have heard of my method (if you are old enough) but it was invoked in numerous ODIs in South Africa between 1995 and 1998. It was not discussed widely in the newspapers since none of the calculations was controversial and it would have continued to have been used in South Africa after 1999 had the ICC not imposed their preferred method on all member nations. I am aware that my method has weaknesses and I have done my best to correct them (my system is flexible enough to allow minor tweaks). Having the details available on Wikipedia would allow a wider discussion of the merits and demerits of both systems. Specifically, what must I do to meet with your requirements? </p><p>By the way, what is currently published on Wikipedia about the Duckworth Lewis system is way out of date. It is completely inaccurate and wildly misleading. Nobody could use it to accurately calculate a target in any circumstances. Unfortunately Steven Stern is unlikely to give you any more information since he is keeping his data secret from the general public. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RJClark1447&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RJClark1447 (page does not exist)">RJClark1447</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RJClark1447" title="User talk:RJClark1447">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-RJClark1447-20241203103400-10:34,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_RJClark1447" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RJClark1447-20241203103400-10:34,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_RJClark1447"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RJClark1447-20241203103400-10:34,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_RJClark1447"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241203103600-RJClark1447-20241203103400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RJClark1447&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RJClark1447 (page does not exist)">RJClark1447</a> you don't need to be an expert to see that the "Wickets" and "Unresolved Problems" are almost completely <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">unsourced</a>. Where is this information coming from? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CanonNi-20241203103600-RJClark1447-20241203103400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241203103600-RJClark1447-20241203103400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241203103600-RJClark1447-20241203103400"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RJClark1447&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RJClark1447 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203104000-RJClark1447-20241203103400"></span>RJClark1447</a> (ec) You cannot demand that only experts in cricket or cricket analysis interact with you. Aside from such people being present here is unlikely, Wikipedia is (mostly) written by lay people for lay people. If your work meets the criteria for inclusion, anyone will be able to see that. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EXPERT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EXPERT">WP:EXPERT</a>. If you would prefer a project where only experts are permitted to contribute, those exist out there.</dd> <dd>I apologize for being frank but Wikipedia is not a place to merely store information that you hope will be used to influence the sport of cricket in the future by its governing body. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> choose to say about a topic with significant coverage, showing how it is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notable as Wikipedia uses the word</a>. If you do not have proper references available, this topic cannot be on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203104000-RJClark1447-20241203103400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203104000-RJClark1447-20241203103400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203104000-RJClark1447-20241203103400"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bonadea-20241203104400-RJClark1447-20241203103400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RJClark1447&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RJClark1447 (page does not exist)">RJClark1447</a>:</span> you say <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">My objective in having the Clark Curves available on Wikipedia, before I die, is that when the ICC finally comes to its senses, another method is readily available.</q> As explained above, Wikipedia is not the right place for that, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_publisher_of_original_thought" title="Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not">this policy</a>. Why not use one of the many platforms available for publishing original thoughts? <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Alternative_outlets" title="Wikipedia:Alternative outlets">Wikipedia:Alternative outlets</a> lists some of these. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">bonadea</a></i> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bonadea" title="Special:Contributions/Bonadea">contributions</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bonadea" title="User talk:Bonadea">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Bonadea-20241203104400-RJClark1447-20241203103400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bonadea-20241203104400-RJClark1447-20241203103400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bonadea-20241203104400-RJClark1447-20241203103400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203110000-RJClark1447-20241203103400"></span>Well, that was certainly one of the more interesting cases I've come across on this forum lately. :)</dd> <dd>The only thing I would add is that it might be worth flagging this up at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cricket" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket">WP:WikiProject Cricket</a>, where folks much more knowledgeable about cricket than yours truly (which <i>really</i> is not setting the bar very high!) congregate; for interest, if nothing else. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241203110000-RJClark1447-20241203103400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203110000-RJClark1447-20241203103400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203110000-RJClark1447-20241203103400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="11:09,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_151.135.89.184" data-mw-thread-id="h-11:09,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_151.135.89.184-December_3-20241203110900"><span 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class="new" title="User:151.135.89.184 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-151.135.89.184-20241203110900-11:09,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_151.135.89.184"></span>151.135.89.184</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:151.135.89.184&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:151.135.89.184 (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/151.135.89.184" title="Special:Contributions/151.135.89.184">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:151.135.89.184&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=11%3A09%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+151.135.89.184">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:OliveWeb_Software" title="Draft:OliveWeb Software">Draft:OliveWeb Software</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:OliveWeb_Software&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:OliveWeb_Software" title="Draft talk:OliveWeb Software">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:OliveWeb_Software&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:OliveWeb_Software">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:OliveWeb_Software&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AOliveWeb+Software">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>What i need to do more to get it approved <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/151.135.89.184" title="Special:Contributions/151.135.89.184">151.135.89.184</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:151.135.89.184&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:151.135.89.184 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-151.135.89.184-20241203110900-11:09,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_151.135.89.184" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-151.135.89.184-20241203110900-11:09,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_151.135.89.184"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-151.135.89.184-20241203110900-11:09,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_151.135.89.184"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203111800-151.135.89.184-20241203110900"></span>There is nothing you can do, it has been rejected. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203111800-151.135.89.184-20241203110900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203111800-151.135.89.184-20241203110900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=76" title="Edit section: 11:35, 3 December 2024 review of submission by 2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1-20241203113500-11:35,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1"></span>2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1" title="User talk:2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1" title="Special:Contributions/2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=11%3A35%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+2401%3A1900%3A2081%3AECB1%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A1">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Imtiaz_Ahmed_(actor)" title="Draft:Imtiaz Ahmed (actor)">Draft:Imtiaz Ahmed (actor)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Imtiaz_Ahmed_(actor)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Imtiaz_Ahmed_(actor)" title="Draft talk:Imtiaz Ahmed (actor)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Imtiaz_Ahmed_(actor)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Imtiaz_Ahmed_(actor)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Imtiaz_Ahmed_(actor)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AImtiaz+Ahmed+%28actor%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Imtiaz Ahmed is a famous actor. I found his personal information . <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1" title="Special:Contributions/2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1">2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1" title="User talk:2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1-20241203113500-11:35,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1-20241203113500-11:35,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1-20241203113500-11:35,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203113800-2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1-20241203113500"></span>I fixed your link, you need the "Draft:" portion. Wikipedia is not a mere host of information; articles must summarize what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> choose on their own to say about the subject with significant coverage, showing(in this case) how they meet the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NACTOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NACTOR">definition of a notable actor</a>. IMDB is not an acceptable source as it is user-editable. Remember to log in when posting. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203113800-2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1-20241203113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203113800-2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1-20241203113500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203113800-2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1-20241203113500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203114100-2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1-20241203113500"></span>Blocked for block evasion, the account that created the draft is blocked. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203114100-2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1-20241203113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203114100-2401:1900:2081:ECB1:0:0:0:1-20241203113500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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submission by 87.116.164.146"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:87.116.164.146&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:87.116.164.146 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-87.116.164.146-20241203121800-12:18,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_87.116.164.146"></span>87.116.164.146</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:87.116.164.146&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:87.116.164.146 (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/87.116.164.146" title="Special:Contributions/87.116.164.146">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:87.116.164.146&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=12%3A18%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+87.116.164.146">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Arctic_Dreams_(band)" title="Draft:Arctic Dreams (band)">Draft:Arctic Dreams (band)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Arctic_Dreams_(band)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Arctic_Dreams_(band)" title="Draft talk:Arctic Dreams (band)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Arctic_Dreams_(band)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Arctic_Dreams_(band)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Arctic_Dreams_(band)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AArctic+Dreams+%28band%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hi, we've been waiting two months for a review of our draft. How can we speed up the review on the music band page? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/87.116.164.146" title="Special:Contributions/87.116.164.146">87.116.164.146</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:87.116.164.146&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:87.116.164.146 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-87.116.164.146-20241203121800-12:18,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_87.116.164.146" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-87.116.164.146-20241203121800-12:18,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_87.116.164.146"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-87.116.164.146-20241203121800-12:18,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_87.116.164.146"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203123200-87.116.164.146-20241203121800"></span>There is no way to speed up the process; please be patient. This process is entirely volunteer-driven, and drafts are reviewed in no particular order. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203123200-87.116.164.146-20241203121800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203123200-87.116.164.146-20241203121800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203123200-87.116.164.146-20241203121800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="12:22,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Qualitybeginshere" data-mw-thread-id="h-12:22,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Qualitybeginshere-December_3-20241203122200"><span id="12:22.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Qualitybeginshere"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-12:22,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Qualitybeginshere-December_3-20241203122200"></span>12:22, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Qualitybeginshere<span data-mw-comment-end="h-12:22,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Qualitybeginshere-December_3-20241203122200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=78" title="Edit section: 12:22, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Qualitybeginshere"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Qualitybeginshere&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Qualitybeginshere (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200-12:22,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Qualitybeginshere"></span>Qualitybeginshere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qualitybeginshere" title="User talk:Qualitybeginshere">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Qualitybeginshere" title="Special:Contributions/Qualitybeginshere">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Qualitybeginshere&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=12%3A22%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Qualitybeginshere">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:Qualitybeginshere/sandbox" title="User:Qualitybeginshere/sandbox">User:Qualitybeginshere/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Qualitybeginshere/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Qualitybeginshere/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Qualitybeginshere/sandbox (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Qualitybeginshere/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Qualitybeginshere/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Qualitybeginshere/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AQualitybeginshere%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I am a newbie in Wikipedia and want to add our company details in Wikipedia. Obviously, I am not the owner of the company, but working for the company and want to list on Wikipedia. Addii Biotech was founded in 2010 and continue working in the field of pharmaceuticals. </p><p>I need guidance to approve our Listing on Wikipedia. I have received declines, but need guidance to improve and submit it again. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Qualitybeginshere&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Qualitybeginshere (page does not exist)">Qualitybeginshere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qualitybeginshere" title="User talk:Qualitybeginshere">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200-12:22,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Qualitybeginshere" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200-12:22,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Qualitybeginshere"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200-12:22,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Qualitybeginshere"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Qualitybeginshere&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Qualitybeginshere (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203123000-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200"></span>Qualitybeginshere</a> First, you must comply with the Terms of Use-required <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAID">paid editing policy</a> and make a formal disclosure on your user page. I'll post more about this on your user talk page.</dd> <dd>Wikipedia is not the place to do what you are attempting to do. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to "list" themselves. This is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTDATABASE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTDATABASE">not a database</a> of things that exist. This is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, what we call <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notability</a>, such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">a notable company</a>. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it is notable. You have just summarized the routine business activities of the company, which does not establish notability. You need to instead summarize what others have chosen to say about your company and how it is important/significant/influential as a company. I get that you think what your company does is important, but we only are interested in if others say what they see as important about it. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203123000-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203123000-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203123000-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203123000-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200-1"></span>I posted there back in February. Please follow those instructions as soon as possible. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203123000-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203123000-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203123000-Qualitybeginshere-20241203122200-1"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="13:27,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Marzada" data-mw-thread-id="h-13:27,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Marzada-December_3-20241203132700"><span id="13:27.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Marzada"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-13:27,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Marzada-December_3-20241203132700"></span>13:27, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Marzada<span data-mw-comment-end="h-13:27,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Marzada-December_3-20241203132700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=79" title="Edit section: 13:27, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Marzada"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Marzada&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Marzada (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marzada-20241203132700-13:27,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Marzada"></span>Marzada</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marzada" title="User talk:Marzada">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Marzada" title="Special:Contributions/Marzada">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marzada&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=13%3A27%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Marzada">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Dankert_Thuland" title="Draft:Dankert Thuland">Draft:Dankert Thuland</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dankert_Thuland&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Dankert_Thuland" title="Draft talk:Dankert Thuland">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dankert_Thuland&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Dankert_Thuland">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dankert_Thuland&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADankert+Thuland">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>My submission was declined November 7th 2024 by Tesleemah with the request to "refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources and to rewrite the submission in a more encyclopedic format." </p><p>However the draft does have a total of 8 external references and 6 weblink from independent, reliable, published sources. </p><p>Also the style has been adapted from other Wikipedia entries, so I struggle to understand what EXACTLY I need to change in order to resubmit. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Marzada&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Marzada (page does not exist)">Marzada</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marzada" title="User talk:Marzada">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Marzada-20241203132700-13:27,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Marzada" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marzada-20241203132700-13:27,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Marzada"><span 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The Espionage section is entirely unsourced. Part of the escape section is, too. If existing sources support that information, you need to place the references in with the text. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203133300-Marzada-20241203132700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203133300-Marzada-20241203132700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203133300-Marzada-20241203132700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="15:28,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409" data-mw-thread-id="h-15:28,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409-December_3-20241203152800"><span id="15:28.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-15:28,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409-December_3-20241203152800"></span>15:28, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Adityaksingh409<span data-mw-comment-end="h-15:28,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409-December_3-20241203152800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=80" title="Edit section: 15:28, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Adityaksingh409"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Adityaksingh409" title="User:Adityaksingh409"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adityaksingh409-20241203152800-15:28,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409"></span>Adityaksingh409</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adityaksingh409" title="User talk:Adityaksingh409">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Adityaksingh409" title="Special:Contributions/Adityaksingh409">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Adityaksingh409&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=15%3A28%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Adityaksingh409">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Alfaaz_Singer" title="Draft:Alfaaz Singer">Draft:Alfaaz Singer</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Alfaaz_Singer&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Alfaaz_Singer" title="Draft talk:Alfaaz Singer">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Alfaaz_Singer&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Alfaaz_Singer">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Alfaaz_Singer&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAlfaaz+Singer">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>this is a page for an indian punjabi artist called alfaaz ,as i created this page broader info about artist and i even added a references geniune articles about artist which suited for page acceptance <a href="/wiki/User:Adityaksingh409" title="User:Adityaksingh409">Adityaksingh409</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adityaksingh409" title="User talk:Adityaksingh409">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Adityaksingh409-20241203152800-15:28,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adityaksingh409-20241203152800-15:28,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adityaksingh409-20241203152800-15:28,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Adityaksingh409"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203153400-Adityaksingh409-20241203152800"></span>The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. You have a single source(and it's a source of questionable quality(see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TOI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOI">WP:TOI</a>) and you have not demonstrated that this person meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NSINGER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NSINGER">WP:NSINGER</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203153400-Adityaksingh409-20241203152800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203153400-Adityaksingh409-20241203152800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203153400-Adityaksingh409-20241203152800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="15:37,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_JAC2222" data-mw-thread-id="h-15:37,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_JAC2222-December_3-20241203153700"><span id="15:37.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_JAC2222"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-15:37,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_JAC2222-December_3-20241203153700"></span>15:37, 3 December 2024 review of submission by JAC2222<span data-mw-comment-end="h-15:37,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_JAC2222-December_3-20241203153700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=81" title="Edit section: 15:37, 3 December 2024 review of submission by JAC2222"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JAC2222&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JAC2222 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JAC2222-20241203153700-15:37,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_JAC2222"></span>JAC2222</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JAC2222" title="User talk:JAC2222">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JAC2222" title="Special:Contributions/JAC2222">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JAC2222&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=15%3A37%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+JAC2222">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Columbus_Freaky_News&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Columbus Freaky News (page does not exist)">Draft:Columbus Freaky News</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Columbus_Freaky_News&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Columbus_Freaky_News&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Columbus Freaky News (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Columbus_Freaky_News&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Columbus_Freaky_News">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Columbus_Freaky_News&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AColumbus+Freaky+News">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>This is a real news source in Columbus Ohio <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JAC2222&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JAC2222 (page does not exist)">JAC2222</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JAC2222" title="User talk:JAC2222">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-JAC2222-20241203153700-15:37,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_JAC2222" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JAC2222-20241203153700-15:37,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_JAC2222"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JAC2222-20241203153700-15:37,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_JAC2222"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203153900-JAC2222-20241203153700"></span>No one doubts that it is real- but your draft is completely unsourced; any article about this news outlet must summarize what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> choose on their own to say about it, showing how it is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">a notable organization</a>. You haven't done that and the prospect of that happening seems low, so it was correctly rejected. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203153900-JAC2222-20241203153700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203153900-JAC2222-20241203153700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203153900-JAC2222-20241203153700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="15:54,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac" data-mw-thread-id="h-15:54,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-December_3-20241203155400"><span id="15:54.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-15:54,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-December_3-20241203155400"></span>15:54, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Thehistorianisaac<span data-mw-comment-end="h-15:54,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac-December_3-20241203155400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=82" title="Edit section: 15:54, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Thehistorianisaac"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241203155400-15:54,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span>Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thehistorianisaac" title="Special:Contributions/Thehistorianisaac">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thehistorianisaac&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=15%3A54%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Thehistorianisaac">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade" title="Draft:7th Marine Brigade">Draft:7th Marine Brigade</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:7th_Marine_Brigade" title="Draft talk:7th Marine Brigade">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:7th_Marine_Brigade&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3A7th+Marine+Brigade">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>This is my second time submitting my draft, may I ask if there is a limit to how many times a draft can be declined? <a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thehistorianisaac" title="User talk:Thehistorianisaac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thehistorianisaac-20241203155400-15:54,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241203155400-15:54,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thehistorianisaac-20241203155400-15:54,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thehistorianisaac"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203172600-Thehistorianisaac-20241203155400"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Thehistorianisaac" title="User:Thehistorianisaac">Thehistorianisaac</a>: no, there is no limit, as such. As long as you keep making progress in addressing the decline reasons, we will keep reviewing. If, however, you're just resubmitting without even trying to improve things, or it starts to look like the draft hasn't any realistic chance of being accepted, then it will likely be rejected. So it's more about progress and prospects, rather than number of reviews. HTH, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241203172600-Thehistorianisaac-20241203155400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203172600-Thehistorianisaac-20241203155400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203172600-Thehistorianisaac-20241203155400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="16:30,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian" data-mw-thread-id="h-16:30,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian-December_3-20241203163000"><span id="16:30.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16:30,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian-December_3-20241203163000"></span>16:30, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Weasleyrian<span data-mw-comment-end="h-16:30,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian-December_3-20241203163000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=83" title="Edit section: 16:30, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Weasleyrian"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203163000-16:30,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian"></span>Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Weasleyrian" title="Special:Contributions/Weasleyrian">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Weasleyrian&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=16%3A30%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Weasleyrian">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:SmarterMail" title="Draft:SmarterMail">Draft:SmarterMail</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:SmarterMail&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:SmarterMail" title="Draft talk:SmarterMail">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:SmarterMail&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:SmarterMail">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:SmarterMail&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASmarterMail">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>To @Bonadea </p><p>I respectfully request a reconsideration of the rejection notice for the SmarterMail draft. According to Wikipedia's Notability (Software) guidelines, computer programs are classified as creative works. Based on these criteria, I believe SmarterMail merits inclusion as it meets the necessary notability standards: </p><p>Discussion in Reliable Sources: SmarterMail has been discussed in multiple reliable sources, demonstrating its relevance and significance in the technology landscape. Wide Adoption Across Various Sectors: SmarterMail is widely used in universities, medical facilities, and government institutions as a primary source of communication. This broad utilization highlights its importance and reliability in critical sectors. Third-Party Documentation and Reviews: SmarterMail has been referenced in third-party manuals and subjected to reviews from reliable sources, further validating its notability. Presence in Scholarly and Published Literature: Searches conducted on Google Books and Google Scholar reveal numerous mentions of both SmarterMail and SmarterTools, underscoring its documented presence in academic and professional contexts. Recognition in Non-English Wikipedia Articles: SmarterMail and SmarterTools have been referenced in several non-English Wikipedia articles, including: </p> <ul><li>Hungarian: <a class="external free" href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM_Client">https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM_Client</a></li> <li>Vietnamese: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://vi-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Email_tr%C3%AAn_n%E1%BB%81n_web?_x_tr_sl=vi&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc">https://vi-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Email_tr%C3%AAn_n%E1%BB%81n_web?_x_tr_sl=vi&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc</a></li> <li>Ukrainian: <a class="external free" href="https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%88%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80">https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%88%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80</a></li> <li>Czech: <a class="external free" href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM_Client">https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM_Client</a></li></ul> <p><br/> Additionally, SmarterTools is referenced in the Microsoft Windows server section of the MTA Software List, further demonstrating its relevance and application. (<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mail_transfer_agents">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mail_transfer_agents</a>) </p><p>These points align with Wikipedia's standards for notability and inclusion, and I kindly urge you to reevaluate the draft based on this information. SmarterMail's widespread adoption, reliable documentation, and presence in scholarly and published works collectively support its eligibility for inclusion in Wikipedia. </p><p>Thank you for considering this appeal. I am happy to provide further information or references if needed. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Weasleyrian-20241203163000-16:30,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203163000-16:30,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weasleyrian-20241203163000-16:30,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241203165000-Weasleyrian-20241203163000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a>:</span> We do not consider existing articles in other languages of Wikipedia to have any effect on notability. Each is its own community with its own standards for notability. We also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LLM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LLM">will not consider requests made via chatbot</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241203165000-Weasleyrian-20241203163000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241203165000-Weasleyrian-20241203163000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241203165000-Weasleyrian-20241203163000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203170300-Jéské_Couriano-20241203165000"></span>What do you mean "We also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LLM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LLM">will not consider requests made via chatbot</a>"? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Weasleyrian-20241203170300-Jéské_Couriano-20241203165000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203170300-Jéské_Couriano-20241203165000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weasleyrian-20241203170300-Jéské_Couriano-20241203165000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241203170500-Weasleyrian-20241203170300"></span>Weasleyrian</a>, your entire post from "I respectfully request" to "I am happy to provide" is AI-generated. I guess the ChatBot you're using doesn't know that what happens on other wikis is meaningless here, but now you can say you learned something about Wikipedia. Also, "SmarterMail and SmarterTools have been referenced" is really unclear. "Referenced"? <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies" title="User talk:Drmies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Drmies-20241203170500-Weasleyrian-20241203170300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241203170500-Weasleyrian-20241203170300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241203170500-Weasleyrian-20241203170300"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241203170800-Drmies-20241203170500"></span>Weasleyrian</a> Where are the "multiple reliable sources" that discuss "SmarterTools"? Nothing else you mention contributes to any notability. <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Theroadislong-20241203170800-Drmies-20241203170500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241203170800-Drmies-20241203170500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241203170800-Drmies-20241203170500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203172400-Theroadislong-20241203170800"></span>Here you go! <ul><li>López-Collar, R. 2015). Extension of the security module for the REKO Data Replicator. University of Computer Sciences. Thesis</li> <li>Morales Vizuete, M.V. (2015). Integration of free distribution tools to perform technical support tasks for an Internet service provider. Quito:EPN. Thesis</li> <li>Rashid, F. (2013). SmarterMail Review. PC Magazine.</li> <li>Perschke, S. (2012). 6 Free Email Servers for A Small Business Compared. NetworkWorld Magazine.</li> <li>Schiller, J. (2009). Visual Basic Express and JAVA Programs: Excel Weekly Options Trading, CreateSpace. Book</li> <li>Hong, B. (2008). Building a Server with FreeBSD 7: A Modular Approach No Starch Press. Book</li> <li>Elsagheer Mohamed, S.A. (2013). Efficient Spam Filtering System Based on Smart Cooperative Subjective and Objective Methods. Objective Methods. DOI: 10.4236/ijcns.2013.62011 <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Weasleyrian-20241203172400-Theroadislong-20241203170800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203172400-Theroadislong-20241203170800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weasleyrian-20241203172400-Theroadislong-20241203170800"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241203172800-Weasleyrian-20241203172400"></span>I don't have those books to hand, do they contain significant in-depth coverage of Smarter Tools? <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Theroadislong-20241203172800-Weasleyrian-20241203172400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241203172800-Weasleyrian-20241203172400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241203172800-Weasleyrian-20241203172400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203173500-Theroadislong-20241203172800"></span>They do have in-depth coverage of SmarterMail, I did add them as a reference to another article, but my account was flagged by Drmies and marked it as "vandalism". <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Weasleyrian-20241203173500-Theroadislong-20241203172800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203173500-Theroadislong-20241203172800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weasleyrian-20241203173500-Theroadislong-20241203172800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203173600-Weasleyrian-20241203173500"></span>And were they at any point cited in <i>this draft</i>? If not, why not? -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241203173600-Weasleyrian-20241203173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203173600-Weasleyrian-20241203173500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203173600-Weasleyrian-20241203173500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203174100-DoubleGrazing-20241203173600"></span>It was cited, but changed around as I was working on the draft. I clicked "submit" thinking it would save, hence the multiple revisions. I was working with another user who was quite helpful sifting through the sources to determine if they're "reliable" or not. I send that user the list with no responses, then out of no where the draft was rejected. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Weasleyrian-20241203174100-DoubleGrazing-20241203173600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203174100-DoubleGrazing-20241203173600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weasleyrian-20241203174100-DoubleGrazing-20241203173600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203171600-Drmies-20241203170500"></span>Am I not allowed to use phrases like "respectfully request" or "happy to provide" in an appeal? Is it wrong to write in a respectful tone? Also, it's quite an assumption on your part to think I'm using a chat-box. Remember the risks of making assumptions. Addressing Jéské Couriano's comment: I understand that other languages operate independently, but my point remains that the SmarterMail draft meets notability requirements because (1) it is widely used and (2) I was able to find sufficient reliable sources to for the article. These factors formed the basis of my appeal to the rejecting user, Bonadea. Other users advised me to make this appeal to Bonadea directly. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Weasleyrian-20241203171600-Drmies-20241203170500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203171600-Drmies-20241203170500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weasleyrian-20241203171600-Drmies-20241203170500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241203171900-Weasleyrian-20241203171600"></span>Being "widely used" confers zero notability and you haven't told us what the "sufficient reliable sources" are yet so nobody can make a judgement. <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Theroadislong-20241203171900-Weasleyrian-20241203171600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241203171900-Weasleyrian-20241203171600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241203171900-Weasleyrian-20241203171600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20241203172700-Theroadislong-20241203171900"></span>I didn't have to assume anything: I just ran your post through GPTZero. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies" title="User talk:Drmies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Drmies-20241203172700-Theroadislong-20241203171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20241203172700-Theroadislong-20241203171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20241203172700-Theroadislong-20241203171900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203173800-Drmies-20241203172700"></span>You do realize that GPTZero isn’t perfect, right? The results should be taken with a grain of salt and considered as part of a bigger picture when assessing content authenticity. That said, no, I didn’t use a ChatBox like you assumed, so I think an apology is in order. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Weasleyrian-20241203173800-Drmies-20241203172700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203173800-Drmies-20241203172700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weasleyrian-20241203173800-Drmies-20241203172700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203174300-Weasleyrian-20241203173800"></span>You have edited about no other topic, and you seem to have a strong personal investment in it. Do you have a connection with this topic? <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203174300-Weasleyrian-20241203173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203174300-Weasleyrian-20241203173800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203174300-Weasleyrian-20241203173800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203174700-331dot-20241203174300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> I do not. Long story short, I am a computer science student at Grand Canyon University in Phoenix, Arizona. As an assignment, our professor challenged us to write a Wikipedia article about small software products out in the market. I had no idea how difficult this would be, now I am seeing why it was more of a "challenge". The only investment I get is a grade :) Yes, I know, other editors mentioned that the professor should've directed me to an assignment page and I jumped to the chance without fully understanding the do's and don'ts of Wikipedia's guidelines. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Weasleyrian-20241203174700-331dot-20241203174300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weasleyrian-20241203174700-331dot-20241203174300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weasleyrian-20241203174700-331dot-20241203174300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203175400-Weasleyrian-20241203174700"></span>I'm very sorry that your professor has put you in a difficult position; it is a poor assignment to give you to require you to write an article and have it accepted. Your professor may wish to examine the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WEP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WEP">Wikipedia Education Program</a> materials to design lessons and assignments that are less likely to put students in this position. This is a particularly poor assigment, as "small software products" most likely do not draw the coverage needed to merit a Wikipedia article- as you are finding out the hard way. Feel free to show your professor this message and discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203175400-Weasleyrian-20241203174700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203175400-Weasleyrian-20241203174700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203175400-Weasleyrian-20241203174700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241203175900-331dot-20241203175400"></span>This was all pointed out to the user on their talk page on 19th November. perhaps they need to find another "small software product". <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Theroadislong-20241203175900-331dot-20241203175400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241203175900-331dot-20241203175400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241203175900-331dot-20241203175400"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241203180900-Theroadislong-20241203175900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">Bonadea</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Theroadislong-20241203180900-Theroadislong-20241203175900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241203180900-Theroadislong-20241203175900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241203180900-Theroadislong-20241203175900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241203180800-Weasleyrian-20241203173800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a>:</span> I <i>didn't</i> use an LLM detector, and I could tell it was chatbot-generated because it includes a fair amount of redundant text/arguments and uses <topic>:<argument>-style writing typical of LLM output we see on Wikipedia. If you don't want to be accused of using a chatbot, don't write like one. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241203180800-Weasleyrian-20241203173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241203180800-Weasleyrian-20241203173800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241203180800-Weasleyrian-20241203173800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="17:26,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divnanoc" data-mw-thread-id="h-17:26,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divnanoc-December_3-20241203172600"><span id="17:26.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divnanoc"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-17:26,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divnanoc-December_3-20241203172600"></span>17:26, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Divnanoc<span data-mw-comment-end="h-17:26,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divnanoc-December_3-20241203172600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=84" title="Edit section: 17:26, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Divnanoc"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divnanoc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divnanoc (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Divnanoc-20241203172600-17:26,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divnanoc"></span>Divnanoc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divnanoc" title="User talk:Divnanoc">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Divnanoc" title="Special:Contributions/Divnanoc">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Divnanoc&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=17%3A26%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Divnanoc">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Frederick_Charles_Cooper" title="Draft:Frederick Charles Cooper">Draft:Frederick Charles Cooper</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Frederick_Charles_Cooper&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Frederick_Charles_Cooper" title="Draft talk:Frederick Charles Cooper">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Frederick_Charles_Cooper&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Frederick_Charles_Cooper">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Frederick_Charles_Cooper&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AFrederick+Charles+Cooper">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Declined submission. On 29 November 2024 Jannatulbaqi was declined submission of article “Frederick Charles Cooper” (an English artist of XIX century). The explanation was: “This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people)”. At the same date the article about the Subject was successfully published in Russian part of Wikipedia where the editors considered the same sources sufficiently competent and authoritative. </p><p>Small summary about the Subject and the References. The Subject was: (i) an English artist of XIX century, one of so called “the lost names” in fine arts; (ii) was the full member of Royal Academy of Arts; (iii) had a several exhibitions at the Royal Academy of Arts and other significant places in London, England; (iv) more than fifty of his works are stored and exhibits in the British Museum; (v) was the only painter who drew the process, monuments and other heritage from one of the famous archaeological expeditions in the history of Great Britain. </p><p>The References. The “significant coverage” of the Subject supports by: (i) John Curtis (*ref. 3), who was a Keeper of the Middle East Department at the British Museum 1989-2011, and presently Chief Executive Officer of the Iran Heritage Foundation, President of the British Institute for the Study of Iraq, and a Trustee of the Honor Frost Foundation; (ii) Algernon Graves (*ref. 5), an author of the most completed encyclopedia of British artists arisen or graduated from Royal Academy; (iii) Huon Mallalieu (*ref. 9), one of the world's leading and respected art historians, author of “Dictionary of British Watercolour Artists up to 1920”; (iv) Sir Austen Henry Layard, who was an English Assyriologist, traveller, cuneiformist, art historian, draughtsman, collector, politician and diplomat. Plus a few sources with lesser known, but no less reputable, backgrounds. </p><p>Could anyone to clarify me please (because I still have no reply of Mr. Jannatulbaqi) what coverage is could be more significant than coverages of two leading encyclopedists and the world`s most important specialist in this area? </p> <pre><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divnanoc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divnanoc (page does not exist)">Divnanoc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divnanoc" title="User talk:Divnanoc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Divnanoc-20241203172600-17:26,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divnanoc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Divnanoc-20241203172600-17:26,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divnanoc"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Divnanoc-20241203172600-17:26,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Divnanoc"></span> </pre> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203174900-Divnanoc-20241203172600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divnanoc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divnanoc (page does not exist)">Divnanoc</a>: there are two ways to demonstrate the notability of an artist, either by <ul><li>the <b>general</b> notability guideline <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>, which requires significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent, or</li> <li>the <b>special</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARTIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARTIST">WP:ARTIST</a> one, which requires significant career achievements and impact.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Please study both guidelines and decide which one you are able to meet, then provide the evidence to support this. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241203174900-Divnanoc-20241203172600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203174900-Divnanoc-20241203172600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203174900-Divnanoc-20241203172600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Divnanoc-20241203185000-DoubleGrazing-20241203174900"></span>Ok. My arguments based on the rules of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARTIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARTIST">WP:ARTIST</a> <ol><li><b>"The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors"</b>. Frederick Charles Cooper is widely cited by scientists and/or art historians, especially in connection of excavations at <a href="/wiki/Kuyunjik" class="mw-redirect" title="Kuyunjik">Kuyunjik</a> and <a href="/wiki/Nimrud" title="Nimrud">Nimrud</a>, exploration of the lost cities of Assyria and Iraq. Sir Austen Henry Layard, who led the British Assyrian expedition of 1849-51, acknowledged the artist`s role, writing in his 1853 book <i>Discoveries among the Ruins of Nineveh and Babylon</i> that the "assistance of a competent artist was most desirable, to portray with fidelity those monuments which injury and decay had rendered unfit for removal...". John Curtis, the longtime Keeper of the Middle East Department at the British Museum, described <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.istitutoveneto.org/pdf/rethinkinglayard18172017.pdf">Layard's relationship with F. C. Cooper and his other artists</a> (In Ermidoro, Stefania; Riva, Cecilia (eds.). — Venice, Italy: Istituto Veneto di Scienze, Lettere ed Arti, 2020. — <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3/9788892990005" class="extiw" title="ru:Служебная:Источники книг/9788892990005">ISBN 978-88-92990-00-5</a>) as very complicated, but productive. Huon Mallalieu, the leading art historian, dedicated to artist an article in his <a href="//archive.org/details/dictionaryofbrit0000mall/mode/2up" class="extiw" title="iarchive:dictionaryofbrit0000mall/mode/2up">The dictionary of British watercolour artists up to 1920</a> <small>(</small>Woodbridge, Suffolk: Antique Collectors' Club, 1986. — <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3/9781851490363" class="extiw" title="ru:Служебная:Источники книг/9781851490363">ISBN 978-1-85149-036-3</a>). Algernon Graves in "The Royal Academy of Arts: a complete dictionary of contributors and their work from its foundation in 1769 to 1904" (1-st edition. <small>(англ.)</small>. — London: Henry Graves & Co. and George Bell and Sons, 1905. — P. 146) also mentioned Cooper, as notable painter of the epoch.</li> <li><b>"The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique"</b>. Is a subjective definition. Some of the fine art specialists saw his own manner in such works like "Souvenir". The art historian H.L. Mallalieu wrote in his dictionary that "Cooper's landscapes are effective, but his figures can be rather shaky...". Personally, i find it like not as good enough to talk about unique or specific technique somehow, but somebody may have the different point. By the way Picasso, for example, also borrowed a lot of his technique and this is not decreasing his significance.</li> <li><b>"The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series)"</b>. The were significant and very unique work called Diorama of Nineveh exhibited in London in 1851. The full and detailed description can be found in a book of William Shoberl <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Diorama_of_Nineveh.html?id=U6ULPAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y">(https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Diorama_of_Nineveh.html?id=U6ULPAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y</a>).</li> <li><b>"The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the <a href="/wiki/Collection_(museum)" title="Collection (museum)">permanent collections</a> of several notable galleries or museums"</b>. For example, the British Museum has about 50 works of Cooper in their permanent collection (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG177486">https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG177486</a>).</li></ol></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divnanoc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divnanoc (page does not exist)">Divnanoc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divnanoc" title="User talk:Divnanoc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Divnanoc-20241203185000-DoubleGrazing-20241203174900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Divnanoc-20241203185000-DoubleGrazing-20241203174900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Divnanoc-20241203185000-DoubleGrazing-20241203174900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203175100-Divnanoc-20241203172600"></span>PS: If the Russian-language version of Wikipedia has published an article on this artist is either up to them, and has no bearing on whether we will publish one here on the English-language one, since each language version is an entirely separate project with their own policies and requirements. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241203175100-Divnanoc-20241203172600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203175100-Divnanoc-20241203172600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203175100-Divnanoc-20241203172600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Divnanoc-20241203193300-DoubleGrazing-20241203175100"></span>Yes, I know and agree. But there were also discussion how to define "significance" of the Subject, if it is already defined and confirmed by one of the heading keepers of British Museum, for example. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Divnanoc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Divnanoc (page does not exist)">Divnanoc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Divnanoc" title="User talk:Divnanoc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Divnanoc-20241203193300-DoubleGrazing-20241203175100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Divnanoc-20241203193300-DoubleGrazing-20241203175100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Divnanoc-20241203193300-DoubleGrazing-20241203175100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="19:20,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mongoltuurgataninfo" data-mw-thread-id="h-19:20,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mongoltuurgataninfo-December_3-20241203192000"><span id="19:20.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mongoltuurgataninfo"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-19:20,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mongoltuurgataninfo-December_3-20241203192000"></span>19:20, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Mongoltuurgataninfo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-19:20,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mongoltuurgataninfo-December_3-20241203192000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=85" title="Edit section: 19:20, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Mongoltuurgataninfo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mongoltuurgataninfo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mongoltuurgataninfo (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mongoltuurgataninfo-20241203192000-19:20,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mongoltuurgataninfo"></span>Mongoltuurgataninfo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mongoltuurgataninfo" title="User talk:Mongoltuurgataninfo">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mongoltuurgataninfo" title="Special:Contributions/Mongoltuurgataninfo">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mongoltuurgataninfo&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=19%3A20%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Mongoltuurgataninfo">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Doonoo_Erdenebat" title="Draft:Doonoo Erdenebat">Draft:Doonoo Erdenebat</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Doonoo_Erdenebat&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Doonoo_Erdenebat&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Doonoo Erdenebat (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Doonoo_Erdenebat&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Doonoo_Erdenebat">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Doonoo_Erdenebat&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADoonoo+Erdenebat">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I want to make this article for future searches and ensure it can be updated with new information over time. Please help me with advise. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mongoltuurgataninfo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mongoltuurgataninfo (page does not exist)">Mongoltuurgataninfo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mongoltuurgataninfo" title="User talk:Mongoltuurgataninfo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Mongoltuurgataninfo-20241203192000-19:20,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mongoltuurgataninfo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mongoltuurgataninfo-20241203192000-19:20,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mongoltuurgataninfo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mongoltuurgataninfo-20241203192000-19:20,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mongoltuurgataninfo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203192300-Mongoltuurgataninfo-20241203192000"></span>It has been rejected, meaning it's the end of the road for this draft. Social media and YouTube are not acceptable sources. A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> like news reports say about people that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIO">meet our criteria</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203192300-Mongoltuurgataninfo-20241203192000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203192300-Mongoltuurgataninfo-20241203192000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203192300-Mongoltuurgataninfo-20241203192000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="19:32,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Researchclari" data-mw-thread-id="h-19:32,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Researchclari-December_3-20241203193200"><span id="19:32.2C_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Researchclari"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-19:32,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Researchclari-December_3-20241203193200"></span>19:32, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Researchclari<span data-mw-comment-end="h-19:32,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Researchclari-December_3-20241203193200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=86" title="Edit section: 19:32, 3 December 2024 review of submission by Researchclari"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Researchclari&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Researchclari (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Researchclari-20241203193200-19:32,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Researchclari"></span>Researchclari</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Researchclari" title="User talk:Researchclari">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Researchclari" title="Special:Contributions/Researchclari">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Researchclari&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=19%3A32%2C+3+December+2024+review+of+submission+by+Researchclari">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Memory_Studies_Association" title="Draft:Memory Studies Association">Draft:Memory Studies Association</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Memory_Studies_Association&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Memory_Studies_Association" title="Draft talk:Memory Studies Association">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Memory_Studies_Association&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Memory_Studies_Association">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Memory_Studies_Association&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AMemory+Studies+Association">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hi, I wanted to ask for help understanding which sources in this draft are not considered reliable. Thank you! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Researchclari&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Researchclari (page does not exist)">Researchclari</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Researchclari" title="User talk:Researchclari">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Researchclari-20241203193200-19:32,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Researchclari" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Researchclari-20241203193200-19:32,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Researchclari"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Researchclari-20241203193200-19:32,_3_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Researchclari"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241203193500-Researchclari-20241203193200"></span>You claim that you <b>personally created</b> and <b>personally own</b> the copyright to the logo of the organization. Is that the case? <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241203193500-Researchclari-20241203193200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241203193500-Researchclari-20241203193200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241203193500-Researchclari-20241203193200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241203223400-Researchclari-20241203193200"></span>A quick look at the References list (without looking into the sources themselves) suggests to me that many of them are not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IS">independent</a> of the association. That is a criterion which nearly as important as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliability</a>. (Specifically, all sources must be reliable, and most of them - and in particular, all of those on which the claim of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">notability</a> is to rest - must be independent.</dd> <dd>Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a>. <small>If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.</small> <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241203223400-Researchclari-20241203193200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241203223400-Researchclari-20241203193200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241203223400-Researchclari-20241203193200"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&oldid=1261037572">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&oldid=1261037572</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation" title="Category:WikiProject Articles for creation">WikiProject Articles for creation</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_help_forums" title="Category:Wikipedia help forums">Wikipedia help forums</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Non-talk_pages_that_are_automatically_signed" title="Category:Non-talk pages that are automatically signed">Non-talk pages that are automatically signed</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_that_should_not_be_manually_archived" title="Category:Pages that should not be manually archived">Pages that should not be manually archived</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 3 December 2024, at 22:34<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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