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If you have been approached by someone offering to create, accept or otherwise help publish an article <i>in exchange for a payment</i>, please e-mail the details to <b>paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org</b>. This may help others in a similar situation to avoid becoming victims of this vile scam.<br/>PS: If that someone claims to be me, they emphatically are not!</td></tr></tbody></table> <div style="background-color: #FFDBDB; border: 1px solid #000000; margin: 1em; padding: 1em;" align="left"> <p>If I declined your draft at <b>AfC</b>, and you came to ask me to re-review it, please don't (unless I expressly said you could) – I feel it's fairer to the other drafts that yours goes back to the pool... and probably also fairer to your draft that someone else reviews it next. (And if you just came to tell me you've made changes, that's great, but no need to inform me.) </p> If you still want to leave me a message about a draft or article, I'd appreciate if you could please <u><i>link to</i></u> the page in question, so I don't have to go hunting for it. Ta.</div> <p><br/> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Voltol" data-mw-thread-id="h-Voltol-20241115110400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Voltol-20241115110400"></span>Voltol<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Voltol-20241115110400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Voltol"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogv-20241115110400-Voltol"></span>Dear DoubleGrazer, thanks for your review, I'm a bit confused as all the sources are from the original GERMAN article about VOLTOL <a class="external free" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltol">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltol</a>, I have not added one single thing to all the text, just translated it. I will review my source codes, cause maybe there is some problem with coding. Kind regards, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ogv&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ogv (page does not exist)">Ogv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogv" title="User talk:Ogv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Ogv-20241115110400-Voltol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogv-20241115110400-Voltol"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogv-20241115110400-Voltol"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241115110900-Ogv-20241115110400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ogv&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ogv (page does not exist)">Ogv</a>: yes, I also discovered that German original; I've left a comment on the draft regarding that.</dd> <dd>As for your point about the sources, each different language version of Wikipedia is a completely separate project with their own rules and requirements. What is acceptable on one version may not be acceptable on another. I think I'm right in saying that the English-language version has the strictest requirements in what comes to referencing and notability. It therefore often happens that when translating from another language version, the translation may not be accepted here unless the sources are improved. (And sometimes the sources <i>cannot be</i> improved, if better sources simply don't exist, but let's hope that isn't the case here.)</dd> <dd>Best, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241115110900-Ogv-20241115110400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241115110900-Ogv-20241115110400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241115110900-Ogv-20241115110400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogv-20241115111200-DoubleGrazing-20241115110900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a>OK, thank you for your comments, will review the page over the weekend and save it again once I double-checked all this. Appreciate your effort. Kind regards <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ogv&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ogv (page does not exist)">Ogv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogv" title="User talk:Ogv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Ogv-20241115111200-DoubleGrazing-20241115110900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogv-20241115111200-DoubleGrazing-20241115110900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogv-20241115111200-DoubleGrazing-20241115110900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Now_you_have_put_the_sandals_on" data-mw-thread-id="h-Now_you_have_put_the_sandals_on-20241115134800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Now_you_have_put_the_sandals_on-20241115134800"></span>Now you have put the sandals on<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Now_you_have_put_the_sandals_on-20241115134800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Now you have put the sandals on"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241115134800-Now_you_have_put_the_sandals_on"></span>It may be interesting for you to reflect on what has changed since they were issued. How does what you do here now differ from before? Are any relationships here changed? Do folk treat you differently in the way they approach you? All that sort of stuff ought to be really interesting 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Timtrent-20241115134800-Now_you_have_put_the_sandals_on" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241115134800-Now_you_have_put_the_sandals_on"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241115134800-Now_you_have_put_the_sandals_on"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241116103200-Timtrent-20241115134800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent">Timtrent</a>: not to sound over-dramatic, but it feels a bit like I've left my home town which I knew and where I was comfortable, and moved to the city where I know nothing, can't find my way around, and have to constantly be on my guard (<i>and</i> try not to look like the country bumpkin that I really am!). I double- and triple-check everything before carrying out any admin tasks to make sure I've got them right, and often just back off rather than risking a whoopsie. Even at AfC I find I'm more cautious than before, and therefore end up doing less.</dd> <dd>So far I don't think I've poked anyone in the eye with my mop, but even so I'm half-expecting to get an ANI notice on my talk page at any moment. Maybe I'll learn to relax with time as I gain more confidence.</dd> <dd>Other than that, I wouldn't say things have changed much. Thanks for asking. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241116103200-Timtrent-20241115134800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241116103200-Timtrent-20241115134800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241116103200-Timtrent-20241115134800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241116124600-DoubleGrazing-20241116103200"></span>I had a feeling you might start as a stranger in a strange land. I think everyone does. The who recognise that thrive, those who do not recognise it make a pest of themselves.</dd> <dd>It's a strange role that people arrive in knowing nothing, but with everything expected of them.</dd> <dd>Never forget that the mop can stay in the cleaning cupboard unless needed. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Timtrent-20241116124600-DoubleGrazing-20241116103200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241116124600-DoubleGrazing-20241116103200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241116124600-DoubleGrazing-20241116103200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241116134800-Timtrent-20241116124600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent">Timtrent</a> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">"It's a strange role that people arrive in knowing nothing, but with everything expected of them."</q> This is so true. I thought something similar myself, how odd it is that you're given the key to the cleaning cupboard, and basically left to figure out on your own what to do with all the gear. If there is a training or mentoring scheme of some sort, I've not come across it (mind you, haven't looked, either); and if there isn't, then there probably ought to be.</dd> <dd>And now I'm off for a sip of that bleach, it says it's lemon-flavoured! The brand has a cool 'Skull & Crossbones' logo, too. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241116134800-Timtrent-20241116124600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241116134800-Timtrent-20241116124600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241116134800-Timtrent-20241116124600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241116140900-DoubleGrazing-20241116134800"></span>I think the mop's main use is for pushing the bucket across the floor, There's bleach? No-one ever said! I must apply forthwith, or maybe fifthwith. Is Mango Iced Tea flavour available? I think I amay be clean round the bend.</dd> <dd>That there is no induction at all is both surprising and unsurprising. Can you imagine the fuss if someone tried to create one? We'd get five competing ones, and at least one creator would be permabanned. It just needs "Janet and John Learn to be Wikipedia Administrators" 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Timtrent-20241116140900-DoubleGrazing-20241116134800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241116140900-DoubleGrazing-20241116134800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241116140900-DoubleGrazing-20241116134800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_on_my_declined_Draft:BlobCat" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_on_my_declined_Draft:BlobCat-20241116163400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_on_my_declined_Draft:BlobCat-20241116163400"></span>Question on my declined <a href="/wiki/Draft:BlobCat" title="Draft:BlobCat">Draft:BlobCat</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_on_my_declined_Draft:BlobCat-20241116163400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Question on my declined Draft:BlobCat"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Echo4482-20241116163400-Question_on_my_declined_Draft:BlobCat"></span>Hey, sorry if this is a very basic question as I'm very new to this. I already kind of expected the article to be declined, but I want to know how I can fix that - yes, my main sources are the game developers' social media presences, but there isn't really any other way to track the development of the game over the years as this was their main outlet. Many thanks for your fast review! :) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Echo4482&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Echo4482 (page does not exist)">Echo4482</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Echo4482" title="User talk:Echo4482">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Echo4482-20241116163400-Question_on_my_declined_Draft:BlobCat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Echo4482-20241116163400-Question_on_my_declined_Draft:BlobCat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Echo4482-20241116163400-Question_on_my_declined_Draft:BlobCat"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletion_review_for_Jairam_Kumar_Mahato" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_review_for_Jairam_Kumar_Mahato-20241117204200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_review_for_Jairam_Kumar_Mahato-20241117204200"></span>Deletion review for <a href="/wiki/Jairam_Kumar_Mahato" title="Jairam Kumar Mahato">Jairam Kumar Mahato</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_review_for_Jairam_Kumar_Mahato-20241117204200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Deletion review for Jairam Kumar Mahato"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Sarim_Wani" title="User:Sarim Wani"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cryptic-20241117204200-Deletion_review_for_Jairam_Kumar_Mahato"></span>Sarim Wani</a> has asked for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2024_November_17#Jairam_Kumar_Mahato" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 November 17"><b>a deletion review</b></a> of <a href="/wiki/Jairam_Kumar_Mahato" title="Jairam Kumar Mahato">Jairam Kumar Mahato</a>. Because you speedily deleted the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.</p><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div><p>Should've notified you on the first pass, sorry; I only checked <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man he's josh</a>'s talk page, and didn't think to look for a G4 that soon after the afd. —<a href="/wiki/User:Cryptic" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cryptic">Cryptic</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Cryptic-20241117204200-Deletion_review_for_Jairam_Kumar_Mahato" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cryptic-20241117204200-Deletion_review_for_Jairam_Kumar_Mahato"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cryptic-20241117204200-Deletion_review_for_Jairam_Kumar_Mahato"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarim_Wani-20241118132200-Cryptic-20241117204200"></span>For everyone who has not heard my stance here it is in plain light</dd> <dd>I am requesting a review of the deletion of the article "Jairam Kumar Mahato" based on new evidence and arguments not discussed in the original deletion discussion.</dd> <dd>Jairam Kumar Mahato was responsible for launching a notable movement in Jharkhand, India. Specifically, his protests led to changes in the recognition of regional languages, where languages such as Bhojpuri, Magahi, and Angika were included in the list of regional languages for state-level examinations in 11 districts. He strongly advocated for promoting local languages and demanded that jobs in the state be reserved for Jharkhand natives, preventing individuals from other states from gaining these opportunities.</dd> <dd>This qualifies him under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)" title="Wikipedia:Notability (people)">Wikipedia's notability guideline for people</a> as:</dd> <dd><b>1. **Biography**: "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field."</b></dd> <dd><b>2. **Politicians and Judges**: "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage."</b></dd> <dd>Additionally, he does not fall under "People notable for only one event," as his actions and media coverage span multiple related events (2 to be exact), thus meeting the threshold for separate documentation.</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://jlkmparty.org/">https://jlkmparty.org/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://scroll.in/article/1075548/in-jharkhand-a-young-leaders-growing-popularity-leaves-established-parties-worried">https://scroll.in/article/1075548/in-jharkhand-a-young-leaders-growing-popularity-leaves-established-parties-worried</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2022/Feb/19/jharkhand-withdraws-bhojpuri-maghi-as-regional-languages-from-dhanbad-bokaro-amid-protests-2421373.html">https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2022/Feb/19/jharkhand-withdraws-bhojpuri-maghi-as-regional-languages-from-dhanbad-bokaro-amid-protests-2421373.html</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.newslaundry.com/2024/11/14/why-is-jharkhands-youth-rallying-behind-this-30-year-old-political-outsider">https://www.newslaundry.com/2024/11/14/why-is-jharkhands-youth-rallying-behind-this-30-year-old-political-outsider</a></dd> <dd>Please understand that this user stands under 2 notability fields and a wining of an election is not mandatory for the candidate to be listed on wiki that's why I understand zero things which are listed under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2024_November_17" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 November 17">this</a> please tell me if I am not getting something which I have to get</dd> <dd>thanks :) <a href="/wiki/User:Sarim_Wani" title="User:Sarim Wani">Sarim Wani</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarim_Wani" title="User talk:Sarim Wani">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Sarim_Wani-20241118132200-Cryptic-20241117204200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarim_Wani-20241118132200-Cryptic-20241117204200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarim_Wani-20241118132200-Cryptic-20241117204200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarim_Wani-20241118133600-Sarim_Wani-20241118132200"></span>ignore thought this was the deletion disscussion <a href="/wiki/User:Sarim_Wani" title="User:Sarim Wani">Sarim Wani</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarim_Wani" title="User talk:Sarim Wani">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Sarim_Wani-20241118133600-Sarim_Wani-20241118132200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarim_Wani-20241118133600-Sarim_Wani-20241118132200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Question from Realqueenb (02:57, 18 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Realqueenb-20241118025700-Question_from_Realqueenb_(02:57,_18_November_2024)"></span>Hello! I am a freelance marketer; and I have three clients who want to be added to Wikipedia - how do I add their information? Thank you. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Realqueenb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Realqueenb (page does not exist)">Realqueenb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Realqueenb" title="User talk:Realqueenb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Realqueenb-20241118025700-Question_from_Realqueenb_(02:57,_18_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Realqueenb-20241118025700-Question_from_Realqueenb_(02:57,_18_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Realqueenb-20241118025700-Question_from_Realqueenb_(02:57,_18_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241118064600-Realqueenb-20241118025700"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Realqueenb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Realqueenb (page does not exist)">Realqueenb</a>: first, carefully read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAID">WP:PAID</a>, which provides information on paid editing and how to manage your conflict of interest. Also, make the necessary paid-editing disclosure(s) as instructed there.</dd> <dd>Then, and only then, you can start creating drafts on these subjects. You will find pretty much everything you need for that at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">WP:your first article</a>.</dd> <dd>HTH, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241118064600-Realqueenb-20241118025700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241118064600-Realqueenb-20241118025700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241118064600-Realqueenb-20241118025700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119001800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119001800"></span>ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119001800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="ivmbox" style="margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; background-color: #fdf2d5; padding: 0.5em; display: flex; align-items: center;"> <div class="ivmbox-image noresize" style="padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119001800-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>Hello! 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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119001800-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119001800-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119001800-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Derix_Glasstudios" data-mw-thread-id="h-Derix_Glasstudios-20241119153300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Derix_Glasstudios-20241119153300"></span>Derix Glasstudios<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Derix_Glasstudios-20241119153300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Derix Glasstudios"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SimonMüller87-20241119153300-Derix_Glasstudios"></span>Hi, you reviewed my article for Derix Glasstudios. You said I don't have enough reliable sources. But I conntected the following: </p><p>GLASSLINE (2018-09-24). "Symbol of life - the Glass Tower of Omaha". www.glassline.de. Retrieved 2023-09-18. </p><p>Glasstudios, Derix (2018-04-10). "Anniversary of a very special project". Derix Glasstudios. Retrieved 2023-08-24.[non-primary source needed] </p><p>Germany, programm ARD de-ARD Play-Out-Center Potsdam, Potsdam. "Vorsicht zerbrechlich! - Glaskunst aus Taunusstein". programm.ARD.de. Retrieved 2023-08-24. </p><p>"El Paso Museum of History". www.charlotteannpaul.com. Retrieved 2023-08-24. </p><p>"Juxtapoz Magazine - James Earley & Derix Glasstudios Collaboration Fusing Graffiti and Stained Glass". www.juxtapoz.com. Retrieved 2023-08-24. </p><p><br/> I mean what elese then the biggest German Newspaper (bild) and the public broadcasting (ard) can I deliver? Thanks for your help! <a href="/wiki/User:SimonM%C3%BCller87" title="User:SimonMüller87">SimonMüller87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SimonM%C3%BCller87" title="User talk:SimonMüller87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-SimonMüller87-20241119153300-Derix_Glasstudios" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SimonMüller87-20241119153300-Derix_Glasstudios"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SimonMüller87-20241119153300-Derix_Glasstudios"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241119155100-SimonMüller87-20241119153300"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:SimonM%C3%BCller87" title="User:SimonMüller87">SimonMüller87</a>,</dd> <dd>We normally require three secondary sources that clearly meet the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> standard. The <i>Bild</i> article is one. The ARD programme <i>could</i> be another, but when I click on the link I just get today's broadcast schedule. And we still need one more, or two more if the ARD one can't be made to work.</dd> <dd>HTH, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241119155100-SimonMüller87-20241119153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241119155100-SimonMüller87-20241119153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241119155100-SimonMüller87-20241119153300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mqdoc_Xqve" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mqdoc_Xqve-20241119201700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mqdoc_Xqve-20241119201700"></span>Mqdoc Xqve<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mqdoc_Xqve-20241119201700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Mqdoc Xqve"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119201700-Mqdoc_Xqve"></span>I thought that was his stage name. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Deepfriedokra-20241119201700-Mqdoc_Xqve" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119201700-Mqdoc_Xqve"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119201700-Mqdoc_Xqve"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241119202400-Deepfriedokra-20241119201700"></span>I'm sure you're right, @<a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">Deepfriedokra</a>. My thinking was that their <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Mqdoc_Xqve" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Mqdoc Xqve">edits</a> were pure self-promo. Did I make a mistake in how I blocked them (with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUPG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUPG">WP:SUPG</a>)? Or are you saying I shouldn't have blocked at all? -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241119202400-Deepfriedokra-20241119201700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241119202400-Deepfriedokra-20241119201700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241119202400-Deepfriedokra-20241119201700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119204500-DoubleGrazing-20241119202400"></span>Don't think it's a user name violation. Some might not like the idea of a minimal warning block. I've made such blocks in the past. They do act as if their only purpose is self promotion. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Deepfriedokra-20241119204500-DoubleGrazing-20241119202400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119204500-DoubleGrazing-20241119202400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119204500-DoubleGrazing-20241119202400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119205000-Deepfriedokra-20241119204500"></span>Maybe a level four warning to avoid biteness. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Deepfriedokra-20241119205000-Deepfriedokra-20241119204500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119205000-Deepfriedokra-20241119204500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119205000-Deepfriedokra-20241119204500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241119205300-Deepfriedokra-20241119205000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">Deepfriedokra</a>: roger wilco. Appreciate the steer. Ta, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241119205300-Deepfriedokra-20241119205000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241119205300-Deepfriedokra-20241119205000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241119205300-Deepfriedokra-20241119205000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119210200-DoubleGrazing-20241119205300"></span>always a pleasure. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Deepfriedokra-20241119210200-DoubleGrazing-20241119205300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119210200-DoubleGrazing-20241119205300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241119210200-DoubleGrazing-20241119205300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:John_Rotellini" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:John_Rotellini-20241120132900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:John_Rotellini-20241120132900"></span>Draft:<a href="/wiki/Draft:John_Rotellini" title="Draft:John Rotellini">John Rotellini</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:John_Rotellini-20241120132900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Draft:John Rotellini"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241120132900-Draft:John_Rotellini"></span>Hi there! Thank you so much for the feedback on my submission. I'm new to some of the editing and am struggling to figure out why my citations are showing up as in line links. When I go into the editor, each citation is showing as the long-form citation but, when opening in the READ mode, they're showing up as links. Forgive me if I am being REALLY DENSE here but I swear I'm inputting these in the right format but am not getting the right result. Any advice? I thank you for your time, patience and kindness. Just wanting to learn to do this right and am currently very confused. </p><p>Thank you. added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jojohot1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jojohot1 (page does not exist)">Jojohot1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jojohot1#top" title="User talk:Jojohot1">talk</a> • </p> <dl><dd>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jojohot1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jojohot1 (page does not exist)">Jojohot1</a>:</span> no problem, happy to help; it's luckily a very simple fix. The <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template is the correct one to use, but it needs to be wrapped inside <ref> tags. So for example, if you're citing the BBC News website, the full citation would be</dd></dl> <dl><dd><ref>{{cite web |title=Home - BBC News |url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news}}</ref></dd></dl> <dl><dd>That way it's treated as an inline citation rather than an inline external link, and instead of displaying the web page title there in the body text, it only shows a small superscript number, which refers to the numbered footnotes which will appear on the bottom of the page.</dd> <dd>See if that works, and shout back if it doesn't. :) Best, --<a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241120132900-Draft:John_Rotellini" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241120132900-Draft:John_Rotellini"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241120132900-Draft:John_Rotellini"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_User_talk:Louisskupien" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_User_talk:Louisskupien-20241121172900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_User_talk:Louisskupien-20241121172900"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">Speedy deletion</a> nomination of <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Louisskupien" title="User talk:Louisskupien">User talk:Louisskupien</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_User_talk:Louisskupien-20241121172900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:Louisskupien"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241121172900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_User_talk:Louisskupien"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1224211176">.mw-parser-output .quotebox{background-color:#F9F9F9;border:1px solid #aaa;box-sizing:border-box;padding:10px;font-size:88%;max-width:100%}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatleft{margin:.5em 1.4em .8em 0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatright{margin:.5em 0 .8em 1.4em}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.centered{overflow:hidden;position:relative;margin:.5em auto .8em auto}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatleft span,.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatright span{font-style:inherit}.mw-parser-output .quotebox>blockquote{margin:0;padding:0;border-left:0;font-family:inherit;font-size:inherit}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-title{text-align:center;font-size:110%;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-quote>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-quote:last-child>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-quote.quoted:before{font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-weight:bold;font-size:large;color:gray;content:" “ ";vertical-align:-45%;line-height:0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-quote.quoted:after{font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-weight:bold;font-size:large;color:gray;content:" ” ";line-height:0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .left-aligned{text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .right-aligned{text-align:right}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .center-aligned{text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .quote-title,.mw-parser-output .quotebox .quotebox-quote{display:block}.mw-parser-output .quotebox cite{display:block;font-style:normal}@media screen and (max-width:640px){.mw-parser-output .quotebox{width:100%!important;margin:0 0 .8em!important;float:none!important}}</style><div class="quotebox pullquote floatright" style="width:20%; ;"> <blockquote class="quotebox-quote left-aligned" style=""> <p>If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">the guide to writing your first article</a>.</p><p>You may want to consider using the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_wizard" title="Wikipedia:Article wizard">Article Wizard</a> to help you create articles.</p> </blockquote> </div> <p>A tag has been placed on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Louisskupien" title="User talk:Louisskupien">User talk:Louisskupien</a>, requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">criteria for speedy deletion</a>, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are: </p> <ul><li>It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#G11" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>.) Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam" title="Wikipedia:Spam">the guidelines on spam</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations">Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations</a> for more information.</li> <li>It appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTWEBHOST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTWEBHOST">Wikipedia is not a free Web hosting service</a>. (See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#U5" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>.)</li></ul> <p>If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may <b>contest the nomination</b> by <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Louisskupien" title="User talk:Louisskupien">visiting the page</a> and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies" title="Wikipedia:List of policies">Wikipedia's policies and guidelines</a>. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete&page=User+talk%3ALouisskupien">deleting administrator</a></span>, or if you have already done so, you can place a request <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFUD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFUD">here</a>. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Timtrent-20241121172900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_User_talk:Louisskupien" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241121172900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_User_talk:Louisskupien"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241121172900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_User_talk:Louisskupien"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241121173300-Timtrent-20241121172900"></span>Well, THAT was weird! You nominated the same sandbox on 2023. Obvs not yours! 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Timtrent-20241121173300-Timtrent-20241121172900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241121173300-Timtrent-20241121172900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241121173300-Timtrent-20241121172900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121180500-Timtrent-20241121173300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent">Timtrent</a>: maybe it <i>is</i> mine. ;) You don't know. Hehe. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241121180500-Timtrent-20241121173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121180500-Timtrent-20241121173300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121180500-Timtrent-20241121173300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alireza-Jadidi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alireza-Jadidi-20241122175800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alireza-Jadidi-20241122175800"></span>Alireza-Jadidi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alireza-Jadidi-20241122175800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Alireza-Jadidi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikiolopirt-20241122175800-Alireza-Jadidi"></span>Hello, I have added this person's Persian Wikipedia in the sources of this article, please confirm this article as soon as possible </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/علیرضا—جدیدی">https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/علیرضا—جدیدی</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wikiolopirt&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wikiolopirt (page does not exist)">Wikiolopirt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikiolopirt" title="User talk:Wikiolopirt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Wikiolopirt-20241122175800-Alireza-Jadidi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikiolopirt-20241122175800-Alireza-Jadidi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikiolopirt-20241122175800-Alireza-Jadidi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241122181600-Wikiolopirt-20241122175800"></span>Hello @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wikiolopirt&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wikiolopirt (page does not exist)">Wikiolopirt</a>: I don't review drafts on-demand, but I can tell you that citing Wikipedia as a source on Wikipedia is completely pointless, so adding the fa.wiki article on this subject does nothing to improve this draft's chances of being accepted. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241122181600-Wikiolopirt-20241122175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241122181600-Wikiolopirt-20241122175800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241122181600-Wikiolopirt-20241122175800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Congratulations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Congratulations-20241123093400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Congratulations-20241123093400"></span>Congratulations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Congratulations-20241123093400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Congratulations"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deb-20241123093400-Congratulations"></span>Sorry I didn't vote - it was while I was on holiday and I didn't even see the poll. <a href="/wiki/User:Deb" title="User:Deb">Deb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deb" title="User talk:Deb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Deb-20241123093400-Congratulations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deb-20241123093400-Congratulations"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deb-20241123093400-Congratulations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123101300-Deb-20241123093400"></span>Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:Deb" title="User:Deb">Deb</a>! :) <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241123101300-Deb-20241123093400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123101300-Deb-20241123093400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123101300-Deb-20241123093400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I'm_being_so_transparent,_really_I'm_not_paid!" data-mw-thread-id="h-I'm_being_so_transparent,_really_I'm_not_paid!-20241123102800"><span id="I.27m_being_so_transparent.2C_really_I.27m_not_paid.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I'm_being_so_transparent,_really_I'm_not_paid!-20241123102800"></span>I'm being so transparent, really I'm not paid!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I'm_being_so_transparent,_really_I'm_not_paid!-20241123102800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: I'm being so transparent, really I'm not paid!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OxervEditor-20241123102800-I'm_being_so_transparent,_really_I'm_not_paid!"></span>Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> for bringing this to my attention. I understand the importance of maintaining Wikipedia's neutrality and avoiding promotional content. I would like to clarify that I am the CEO and Founder of Oxerv, and my intent is to ensure the information about the company is factual and in line with Wikipedia’s guidelines.</dd> <dd>I acknowledge your concerns and will refrain from directly editing the article to avoid any conflict of interest. Instead, I will use the Talk page to suggest improvements and rely on independent editors to review and implement any necessary changes.</dd> <dd>Please let me know if there’s anything further I can do to ensure compliance with Wikipedia's policies. I appreciate your guidance.</dd></dl> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:OxervEditor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:OxervEditor (page does not exist)">OxervEditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OxervEditor" title="User talk:OxervEditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-OxervEditor-20241123102800-I'm_being_so_transparent,_really_I'm_not_paid!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OxervEditor-20241123102800-I'm_being_so_transparent,_really_I'm_not_paid!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OxervEditor-20241123102800-I'm_being_so_transparent,_really_I'm_not_paid!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion-20241123104600"><span id="Here.27s_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion-20241123104600"></span>Here's Clarification on User:OxervEditor Page Deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion-20241123104600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Here's Clarification on User:OxervEditor Page Deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OxervEditor-20241123104600-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion"></span>Hello DoubleGrazing,</dd> <dd>I noticed that the page "User:OxervEditor" was deleted for being considered unambiguous advertising or promotion. I want to clarify that I was simply trying to engage in productive discussions and contribute factual, neutral information about my business. I understand the importance of Wikipedia's neutrality policy and am committed to adhering to it.</dd> <dd>Could you kindly provide more information on what specific actions led to the deletion, and how I can best contribute to improving the content on Wikipedia without violating the guidelines?</dd> <dd>Thank you for your help, and I look forward to your guidance.</dd> <dd>Best regards,</dd> <dd>OxervEditor <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:OxervEditor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:OxervEditor (page does not exist)">OxervEditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OxervEditor" title="User talk:OxervEditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-OxervEditor-20241123104600-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OxervEditor-20241123104600-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OxervEditor-20241123104600-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JBW-20241123110800-OxervEditor-20241123104600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:OxervEditor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:OxervEditor (page does not exist)">OxervEditor</a>:</span> You wrote a whole page telling readers that your company provides "high quality ... solutions" and "tailored online solutions for businesses globally, aiming to enhance their digital presence through innovative strategies", <i>and so on and so on.</i> That is pure marketing copy; it was an attempt to use Wikipedia for promotion. Having been told that the page was deleted because it was promotional, do you really still need clarification of the reason for deletion? <a href="/wiki/User:JBW" title="User:JBW">JBW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JBW" title="User talk:JBW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-JBW-20241123110800-OxervEditor-20241123104600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JBW-20241123110800-OxervEditor-20241123104600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JBW-20241123110800-OxervEditor-20241123104600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deb-20241123112600-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion"></span>Note</b> - Editor blocked for username violation. <a href="/wiki/User:Deb" title="User:Deb">Deb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deb" title="User talk:Deb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Deb-20241123112600-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deb-20241123112600-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deb-20241123112600-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JBW-20241123230400-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion"></span>Three different editors have thanked me for my message above, which I think may be a personal record. I must have done something right for once. <big><big>😇</big></big> <a href="/wiki/User:JBW" title="User:JBW">JBW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JBW" title="User talk:JBW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-JBW-20241123230400-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JBW-20241123230400-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JBW-20241123230400-Here's_Clarification_on_User:OxervEditor_Page_Deletion"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-20241123170200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-20241123170200"></span><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman">Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman</a></span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-20241123170200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241123170200-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman"></span>I've tried everything except interpretive dance and smoke signals. SMDH. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Deepfriedokra-20241123170200-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241123170200-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241123170200-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123171600-Deepfriedokra-20241123170200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">Deepfriedokra</a>: maybe you need to try those next, then? Warm up for the dance, we don't want any sprains or cramps. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241123171600-Deepfriedokra-20241123170200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123171600-Deepfriedokra-20241123170200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123171600-Deepfriedokra-20241123170200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241123173000-DoubleGrazing-20241123171600"></span>😛 🤔 😢 <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Deepfriedokra-20241123173000-DoubleGrazing-20241123171600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241123173000-DoubleGrazing-20241123171600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241123173000-DoubleGrazing-20241123171600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_db-g5_SDs" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_db-g5_SDs-20241123174100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_db-g5_SDs-20241123174100"></span>My db-g5 SDs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_db-g5_SDs-20241123174100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: My db-g5 SDs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Janhrach-20241123174100-My_db-g5_SDs"></span>Hello, I have just nominated several articles for SD, the majority of which you deleted. These articles were created the banned sock <a href="/wiki/User:McSyl" title="User:McSyl">McSyl</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:McSyl" title="User talk:McSyl">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/McSyl" title="Special:Contributions/McSyl">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/McSyl" title="Special:DeletedContributions/McSyl">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/McSyl" title="Special:Log/McSyl">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=McSyl">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/McSyl" title="Special:Block/McSyl">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AMcSyl">block log</a>)</span>, who is possibly connected to UPE or promo. There is still a lot of them, so I wanted to ask you can delete them, so that I don't have to manually tag them all. Or should I post this request on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN</a>? Anyway, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Janhrach" title="User:Janhrach">Janhrach</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Janhrach" title="User talk:Janhrach">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Janhrach-20241123174100-My_db-g5_SDs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Janhrach-20241123174100-My_db-g5_SDs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Janhrach-20241123174100-My_db-g5_SDs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123175200-Janhrach-20241123174100"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Janhrach" title="User:Janhrach">Janhrach</a>: I'd say if you don't mind tagging them, please do, that way they'll go into the speedy pool and other admins can chip in also. Just make sure that they've not been substantially edited by anyone else, which could put them outside the scope of G5. Cheers, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241123175200-Janhrach-20241123174100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123175200-Janhrach-20241123174100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123175200-Janhrach-20241123174100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Janhrach-20241123175500-DoubleGrazing-20241123175200"></span>Thanks, I will tag them. And yes, I always look into history before tagging. <a href="/wiki/User:Janhrach" title="User:Janhrach">Janhrach</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Janhrach" title="User talk:Janhrach">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Janhrach-20241123175500-DoubleGrazing-20241123175200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Janhrach-20241123175500-DoubleGrazing-20241123175200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Janhrach-20241123175500-DoubleGrazing-20241123175200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Please_help_create_this_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Please_help_create_this_page-20241124083800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Please_help_create_this_page-20241124083800"></span>Please help create this page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Please_help_create_this_page-20241124083800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Please help create this page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5-20241124083800-Please_help_create_this_page"></span>This is a biography of a painter. I am new to Wikipedia, so you can write it better than me. Please help me in writing. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5" title="Special:Contributions/2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5">2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5" title="User talk:2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5-20241124083800-Please_help_create_this_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5-20241124083800-Please_help_create_this_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5-20241124083800-Please_help_create_this_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241124224900-2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5-20241124083800"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> the only contribution that I can see linked to this IP address is the comment you have just left here. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Timtrent-20241124224900-2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5-20241124083800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241124224900-2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5-20241124083800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241124224900-2409:40E2:1021:3933:85CA:D8A3:60E9:9AF5-20241124083800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125062900-Timtrent-20241124224900"></span>The IP editor has been using several nodes in that range. They're socks, and have been blocked now. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241125062900-Timtrent-20241124224900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125062900-Timtrent-20241124224900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125062900-Timtrent-20241124224900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_I_Use_YouTube_Music_and_Rate_Your_Music_as_a_source_in_some_scenarios?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_I_Use_YouTube_Music_and_Rate_Your_Music_as_a_source_in_some_scenarios?-20241124214300"><span id="Can_I_Use_YouTube_Music_and_Rate_Your_Music_as_a_source_in_some_scenarios.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_I_Use_YouTube_Music_and_Rate_Your_Music_as_a_source_in_some_scenarios?-20241124214300"></span>Can I Use YouTube Music and Rate Your Music as a source in some scenarios?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_I_Use_YouTube_Music_and_Rate_Your_Music_as_a_source_in_some_scenarios?-20241124214300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Can I Use YouTube Music and Rate Your Music as a source in some scenarios?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ImagineDragonsFan101-20241124214300-Can_I_Use_YouTube_Music_and_Rate_Your_Music_as_a_source_in_some_scenarios?"></span>Hey! I recently made a article about Take Me To The Beach, which you declined. You said that YouTube Music and Rate Your Music are not valid sources to use on your page. I'm just wondering if this applies to the ratings/reviews section. These are the only websites I can find ratings, and view counts for the song. Will remove it for the release date, but can I use it to show how many views the songs have had, and to show the star rating the song was given? This was on <a href="/wiki/Draft:Take_Me_To_The_Beach_(Imagine_Dragons_song)" title="Draft:Take Me To The Beach (Imagine Dragons song)">My Take Me To The Beach page</a>. Thank you, and thanks for giving me feedback on the page. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ImagineDragonsFan101&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ImagineDragonsFan101 (page does not exist)">ImagineDragonsFan101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ImagineDragonsFan101" title="User talk:ImagineDragonsFan101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-ImagineDragonsFan101-20241124214300-Can_I_Use_YouTube_Music_and_Rate_Your_Music_as_a_source_in_some_scenarios?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ImagineDragonsFan101-20241124214300-Can_I_Use_YouTube_Music_and_Rate_Your_Music_as_a_source_in_some_scenarios?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ImagineDragonsFan101-20241124214300-Can_I_Use_YouTube_Music_and_Rate_Your_Music_as_a_source_in_some_scenarios?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241124224800-ImagineDragonsFan101-20241124214300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ImagineDragonsFan101&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ImagineDragonsFan101 (page does not exist)">ImagineDragonsFan101</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YOUTUBE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YOUTUBE">WP:YOUTUBE</a> from which you will be able to make your decision. Apply that decision process to the other site you mention. What editorial oversight does <i>it</i> have? 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Timtrent-20241124224800-ImagineDragonsFan101-20241124214300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241124224800-ImagineDragonsFan101-20241124214300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241124224800-ImagineDragonsFan101-20241124214300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_VGN_company_doesn't_have_any_in-depth_source_of_references_at_all!" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_VGN_company_doesn't_have_any_in-depth_source_of_references_at_all!-20241125094300"><span id="The_VGN_company_doesn.27t_have_any_in-depth_source_of_references_at_all.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_VGN_company_doesn't_have_any_in-depth_source_of_references_at_all!-20241125094300"></span>The VGN company doesn't have any in-depth source of references at all!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_VGN_company_doesn't_have_any_in-depth_source_of_references_at_all!-20241125094300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: The VGN company doesn't have any in-depth source of references at all!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phone1366-20241125094300-The_VGN_company_doesn't_have_any_in-depth_source_of_references_at_all!"></span>If there are no in-depth source yet, can I just upload the page like that so some people or me can edit it later on when there are sources avaliable by then? (since the company was just founded and most of the infos are really scarce) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phone1366&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phone1366 (page does not exist)">Phone1366</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phone1366" title="User talk:Phone1366">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Phone1366-20241125094300-The_VGN_company_doesn't_have_any_in-depth_source_of_references_at_all!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phone1366-20241125094300-The_VGN_company_doesn't_have_any_in-depth_source_of_references_at_all!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phone1366-20241125094300-The_VGN_company_doesn't_have_any_in-depth_source_of_references_at_all!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125094800-Phone1366-20241125094300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phone1366&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phone1366 (page does not exist)">Phone1366</a>: in a word, no. If there aren't sufficient sources available, then the subject is by definition not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a> enough to justify an article.</dd> <dd>Besides, Wikipedia articles should mainly be composed by summarising what independent and reliable secondary sources have said about a subject. If you haven't been able to find such sources, then what is this draft based on? -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241125094800-Phone1366-20241125094300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125094800-Phone1366-20241125094300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125094800-Phone1366-20241125094300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phone1366-20241125095800-DoubleGrazing-20241125094800"></span>Based mostly on what I found in the internet. I think some of it was enough to justify as the source of the products, and I think that's already enough for it to be publish. Even though it's not that many, at least there are in-depth source about the product if you read it through. So should I just delete the things that are not in-depth and keep the one that is sufficient? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phone1366&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phone1366 (page does not exist)">Phone1366</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phone1366" title="User talk:Phone1366">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Phone1366-20241125095800-DoubleGrazing-20241125094800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phone1366-20241125095800-DoubleGrazing-20241125094800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phone1366-20241125095800-DoubleGrazing-20241125094800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125100600-Phone1366-20241125095800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phone1366&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phone1366 (page does not exist)">Phone1366</a>: I'm not quite sure what you're saying there, but if you're suggesting that this company's products are notable, then you may of course create drafts on them; however, notable products do not make the company notable (or vice versa), as notability is not inherited. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241125100600-Phone1366-20241125095800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125100600-Phone1366-20241125095800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125100600-Phone1366-20241125095800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="There_are_a_couple_of_ECP_edit_requests" data-mw-thread-id="h-There_are_a_couple_of_ECP_edit_requests-20241125115500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-There_are_a_couple_of_ECP_edit_requests-20241125115500"></span>There are a couple of ECP edit requests<span data-mw-comment-end="h-There_are_a_couple_of_ECP_edit_requests-20241125115500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: There are a couple of ECP edit requests"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241125115500-There_are_a_couple_of_ECP_edit_requests"></span>They are on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Hamis_Kiggundu" title="Talk:Hamis Kiggundu">Talk:Hamis Kiggundu</a>, an article with a huge history of sockpuppetry - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Izaaqnewton" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Izaaqnewton">Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Izaaqnewton</a>, paid editing, UPE, and general misbehaviour. </p><p>I am very hesitant with these requests, which wood benefit from cynical eyes. Are you wearing your cynicism goggles today? 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Timtrent-20241125115500-There_are_a_couple_of_ECP_edit_requests" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241125115500-There_are_a_couple_of_ECP_edit_requests"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241125115500-There_are_a_couple_of_ECP_edit_requests"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241125165000"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241125165000"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241125165000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maliner-20241125165000-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Admin's Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Thanks for your tireless contributions to this project. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Maliner" title="User:Maliner">Maliner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maliner" title="User talk:Maliner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Maliner-20241125165000-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maliner-20241125165000-A_barnstar_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maliner-20241125165000-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deleting_review_for_CloudMounter" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deleting_review_for_CloudMounter-20241127090400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deleting_review_for_CloudMounter-20241127090400"></span>Deleting review for CloudMounter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deleting_review_for_CloudMounter-20241127090400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Deleting review for CloudMounter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127090400-Deleting_review_for_CloudMounter"></span>Hello, you've recently deleted the article I've added (<a href="/wiki/Draft:CloudMounter" title="Draft:CloudMounter">Draft:CloudMounter</a>). The reason of deleting is "G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion", but I can see that the same articles of other developers are listed and not deleted, <a href="/wiki/Cyberduck" title="Cyberduck">Cyberduck</a> for example. </p><p>Why? What is the difference between our page and their? Why are they allowed to post about their products and we are not? </p><p>Explain please, cause for now it looks not really good when Wiki allows one developer posting article about their app and deletes all other articles related to this app's competitors. Shouldn't Wiki be the place where people can find not only solution, but and alternative as well? </p><p>Thanks in advance. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AlexAnnaTaylor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AlexAnnaTaylor (page does not exist)">AlexAnnaTaylor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlexAnnaTaylor" title="User talk:AlexAnnaTaylor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127090400-Deleting_review_for_CloudMounter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127090400-Deleting_review_for_CloudMounter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127090400-Deleting_review_for_CloudMounter"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127095500-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127090400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AlexAnnaTaylor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AlexAnnaTaylor (page does not exist)">AlexAnnaTaylor</a>: thanks (I think) for your message, which raises a number of points: <ul><li>I haven't deleted your draft, it is still at the location you linked to: <a href="/wiki/Draft:CloudMounter" title="Draft:CloudMounter">Draft:CloudMounter</a>. Quite the opposite, in fact: speedy deletion <i>was requested</i> by another editor, but I declined it, and instead moved the article from the main article space into the draft space. (You're welcome.)</li> <li>Part of the reason why I moved it is that I have reason to believe that you (and at least one other editor involved in this) work for the company developing this software, and therefore should not have published the article in the first place. If I'm correct, you must make the mandatory paid-editing disclosure immediately. When I draftified your article, I also posted disclosure instructions on your talk page: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlexAnnaTaylor#November_2024" title="User talk:AlexAnnaTaylor">User_talk:AlexAnnaTaylor#November_2024</a>. Please make the disclosure as your very next edit.</li> <li>As for any other articles that may exist out there, many of them were published by editors with sufficient permissions to publish directly, and/or pre-date our review processes; as such, they were not necessarily "allowed" or accepted by anyone, in any sense. Some of them no doubt have their share of problems, but given that there are nearly 7m articles in the English-language Wikipedia, and as this is almost entirely a volunteer-based project, nobody has simply got around to resolving every problem yet. In any case, comparing your article/draft to any existing one is futile; this is the so-called <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS">WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS</a> argument which is a fallacy.</li> <li>Finally, I don't know what exactly you're insinuating with your comments about deleting competitive articles etc., but I would advise you not to pursue that line of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Aspersions" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Aspersions">aspersions</a> any further without solid evidence to back it up.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Best, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127095500-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127090400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127095500-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127090400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127095500-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127090400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127104200-DoubleGrazing-20241127095500"></span>Thanks for replying, will do as you advised (new to Wiki, so your detailed explanation is much appreciated). <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AlexAnnaTaylor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AlexAnnaTaylor (page does not exist)">AlexAnnaTaylor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlexAnnaTaylor" title="User talk:AlexAnnaTaylor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127104200-DoubleGrazing-20241127095500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127104200-DoubleGrazing-20241127095500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlexAnnaTaylor-20241127104200-DoubleGrazing-20241127095500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241127111200"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241127111200"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241127111200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VancityRothaug-20241127111200-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Admin's Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Thank you for your hard work on Wikipedia, especially helping me with my CSD requests! <a href="/wiki/User:VancityRothaug" title="User:VancityRothaug">VancityRothaug</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VancityRothaug" title="User talk:VancityRothaug">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-VancityRothaug-20241127111200-A_barnstar_for_you!_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VancityRothaug-20241127111200-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VancityRothaug-20241127111200-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:University_of_Michigan_Department_of_Civil_and_Environmental_Engineering" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:University_of_Michigan_Department_of_Civil_and_Environmental_Engineering-20241127160500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:University_of_Michigan_Department_of_Civil_and_Environmental_Engineering-20241127160500"></span>Draft:University of Michigan Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:University_of_Michigan_Department_of_Civil_and_Environmental_Engineering-20241127160500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Draft:University of Michigan Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mhinawi-20241127160500-Draft:University_of_Michigan_Department_of_Civil_and_Environmental_Engineering"></span>Your comment seems to suggest that there is no circumstance in which the University of Michigan Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering could establish notability as a department. Would it help my case if I reduced the content to only include information on the page that's: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH"><i>in-depth</i></a> (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources"><i>reliable</i></a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Secondary" title="Wikipedia:No original research"><i>secondary</i></a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGIND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGIND"><i>strictly independent</i></a> of the subject</li></ul> <p>A few other CEE departments/schools are featured on this platform and if thats the case they should also be prohibited from this platform. I don't agree with that position but I don't see how they have established notability when my article has not. </p><p><a href="/wiki/University_of_Illinois_Department_of_Civil_and_Environmental_Engineering" title="University of Illinois Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering">University of Illinois Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Department_of_Civil_and_Environmental_Engineering,_Imperial_College_London" title="Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Imperial College London">Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Imperial College London</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/NUST_School_of_Civil_and_Environmental_Engineering" title="NUST School of Civil and Environmental Engineering">NUST School of Civil and Environmental Engineering</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Mhinawi" title="User:Mhinawi">Mhinawi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mhinawi" title="User talk:Mhinawi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Mhinawi-20241127160500-Draft:University_of_Michigan_Department_of_Civil_and_Environmental_Engineering" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mhinawi-20241127160500-Draft:University_of_Michigan_Department_of_Civil_and_Environmental_Engineering"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mhinawi-20241127160500-Draft:University_of_Michigan_Department_of_Civil_and_Environmental_Engineering"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127161800-Mhinawi-20241127160500"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Mhinawi" title="User:Mhinawi">Mhinawi</a>: I'm not suggesting that this department couldn't be proven notable <i>under any circumstances</i>, only that the sources cited at the time of my review fell far short of what is required. I then also made the point that this is not at all unusual, given that the coverage individual departments etc. typically receive in independent media is at best limited.</dd> <dd>As for your question about reducing the draft content to that which comes from reliable, independent secondary sources, that is a very good idea indeed. In fact, that is precisely how Wikipedia articles should be composed, by summarising what such sources have said, and not much more than that. Of course, that in itself doesn't help establish notability, because if the sources thus used still don't satisfy <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">WP:ORG</a>, then we're no closer to what is required for acceptance.</dd> <dd>Finally, regarding your point about other comparable departments which have Wikipedia articles, I will shamelessly copypaste my reply to an earlier, similar question on this page (lazy as I am): <dl><dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">As for any other articles that may exist out there, many of them were published by editors with sufficient permissions to publish directly, and/or pre-date our review processes; as such, they were not necessarily "allowed" or accepted by anyone, in any sense. Some of them no doubt have their share of problems, but given that there are nearly 7m articles in the English-language Wikipedia, and as this is almost entirely a volunteer-based project, nobody has simply got around to resolving every problem yet. In any case, comparing your article/draft to any existing one is futile; this is the so-called <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS">WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS</a> argument which is a fallacy.</q></dd></dl></dd> <dd>HTH, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127161800-Mhinawi-20241127160500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127161800-Mhinawi-20241127160500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127161800-Mhinawi-20241127160500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="please_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-please_review-20241128070200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-please_review-20241128070200"></span>please review<span data-mw-comment-end="h-please_review-20241128070200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: please review"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-20241128070200-please_review"></span>Western Australian Speleological tag, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-JarrahTree-20241128070200-please_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-20241128070200-please_review"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-20241128070200-please_review"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900-JarrahTree-20241128070200"></span>Sorry, what is that, @<a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a>? -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900-JarrahTree-20241128070200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900-JarrahTree-20241128070200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900-JarrahTree-20241128070200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-20241128072100-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900"></span>As an old timer, usually I would have ignored due process, and simply re-instated the article - however for the sake of formality and process, I am asking you if you could review the draft now - <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Western_Australian_Speleological_Group">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Western_Australian_Speleological_Group</a>, if that is ok with you, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-JarrahTree-20241128072100-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-20241128072100-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-20241128072100-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128074300-JarrahTree-20241128072100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a>: okay, thanks for linking to the draft, I'd forgotten I had reviewed it. Although even now, when you say you would have "re-instated" it, I'm wondering if there's a backstory to this that I'm missing, but if so, I trust you'll unpack it for me.</dd> <dd>Courteous as it was of you to run this by me, you hardly need my approval to publish the article, if you so wish; you publishing it yourself wouldn't be out of process at all. Or if you specifically want AfC to take a view on it, please resubmit it (or ask the original author to), that way it'll go into the pending pool per usual practice.</dd> <dd>Cheers, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128074300-JarrahTree-20241128072100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128074300-JarrahTree-20241128072100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128074300-JarrahTree-20241128072100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-20241128074800-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900"></span>Thanks for your reply, I am very wary of draft review processes, as some editors wear their logs like military medals on their chests, and having reviewed articles in the past where one could see the obvious from the grey area ones. I will release it from its chains then, but please correct me if I do anything wrong... <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-JarrahTree-20241128074800-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-20241128074800-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-20241128074800-DoubleGrazing-20241128070900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128075400-JarrahTree-20241128074800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a>: haha, fear not, you'll get no heat from me! :) In any case, I have no strong feelings about this draft (either way), so will happily leave it in your capable hands. But thanks for asking anyway. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241128075400-JarrahTree-20241128074800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128075400-JarrahTree-20241128074800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241128075400-JarrahTree-20241128074800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-20241128075700-DoubleGrazing-20241128075400"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> - appreciate your good humour (note oz spelling) <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-JarrahTree-20241128075700-DoubleGrazing-20241128075400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-20241128075700-DoubleGrazing-20241128075400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-20241128075700-DoubleGrazing-20241128075400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Women_in_Red_December_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Women_in_Red_December_2024-20241129184400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Women_in_Red_December_2024-20241129184400"></span>Women in Red December 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Women_in_Red_December_2024-20241129184400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Women in Red December 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 5px solid #ABCDEF ; 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MassMessaging<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lajmmoore-20241129184400-Women_in_Red_December_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lajmmoore-20241129184400-Women_in_Red_December_2024"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_on_12:39:40,_1_December_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Matthew_John_Drummond" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_on_12:39:40,_1_December_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Matthew-20241201123900"><span id="Request_on_12:39:40.2C_1_December_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Matthew_John_Drummond"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_on_12:39:40,_1_December_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Matthew-20241201123900"></span>Request on 12:39:40, 1 December 2024 for assistance on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">AfC</a> submission by Matthew John Drummond<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_on_12:39:40,_1_December_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Matthew-20241201123900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Request on 12:39:40, 1 December 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Matthew John Drummond"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="anchor" id="12:39:40,_1_December_2024_review_of_submission_by_Matthew_John_Drummond"></span> </p> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Matthew_John_Drummond&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Matthew John Drummond (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matthew_John_Drummond-20241201123900-Request_on_12:39:40,_1_December_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Matthew"></span>Matthew John Drummond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matthew_John_Drummond" title="User talk:Matthew John Drummond">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matthew_John_Drummond" title="Special:Contributions/Matthew John Drummond">contribs</a>) <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Everyday_Readers" title="Draft:Everyday Readers">Draft:Everyday Readers</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Everyday_Readers&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Everyday_Readers" title="Draft talk:Everyday Readers">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Everyday_Readers&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Everyday_Readers">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Everyday_Readers&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AEveryday+Readers">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p><br/> I can't find any articles about the 1998 film <i>Everyday Readers</i> starring <a href="/wiki/Peter_Sallis" title="Peter Sallis">Peter Sallis</a>. I also would like to see where the full movie is now. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Matthew_John_Drummond&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Matthew John Drummond (page does not exist)">Matthew John Drummond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matthew_John_Drummond" title="User talk:Matthew John Drummond">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Matthew_John_Drummond-20241201123900-Request_on_12:39:40,_1_December_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Matthew" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matthew_John_Drummond-20241201123900-Request_on_12:39:40,_1_December_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Matthew"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matthew_John_Drummond-20241201123900-Request_on_12:39:40,_1_December_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Matthew"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241201131700-Matthew_John_Drummond-20241201123900"></span>If you can't find <i>any</i> articles, books, news reports or anything else about it - then it's probably not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notable by Wikipedia's standards</a>. Not everything that a notable actor was involved in is necessarily notable. There might not be any full copy of the film that's easily avaliable anywhere, but that's not unusual and isn't a requirement for a Wikipedia article, what is required is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">independent, reliable and substainial coverage</a>. ---- <a href="/wiki/User:DandelionAndBurdock" title="User:DandelionAndBurdock">D'n'B</a>-<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock" title="User talk:DandelionAndBurdock">t</a></i> -- <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241201131700-Matthew_John_Drummond-20241201123900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241201131700-Matthew_John_Drummond-20241201123900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241201131700-Matthew_John_Drummond-20241201123900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200-DandelionAndBurdock-20241201131700"></span>Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:DandelionAndBurdock" title="User:DandelionAndBurdock">DandelionAndBurdock</a>, I was just about to say something along the same lines, but you beat me to it. :)</dd> <dd>There is of course also the option of demonstrating notability via the special <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFILM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFILM">WP:NFILM</a> route, which <i>could be</i> possible even if sufficient sources for satisfying <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> cannot be found. This would still require at least some reliable source(s) to prove that one or more of the NFILM criteria is met. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200-DandelionAndBurdock-20241201131700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200-DandelionAndBurdock-20241201131700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200-DandelionAndBurdock-20241201131700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/20px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/30px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/40px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Courtesy ping</b>: <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Matthew_John_Drummond&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Matthew John Drummond (page does not exist)">Matthew John Drummond</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200-DoubleGrazing-20241201132200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Better_late..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Better_late...-20241201164100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Better_late...-20241201164100"></span>Better late...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Better_late...-20241201164100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Better late..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jimfbleak-20241201164100-Better_late..."></span>Congratulations on the mop. I've seen you around so long that when the script cyaned your username, I assumed it had always been thus until I saw the comments above. I'm getting old... <a href="/wiki/User:Jimfbleak" title="User:Jimfbleak"><b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b></a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimfbleak" title="User talk:Jimfbleak"><i style="font-family:arial;color:green">talk to me?</i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Jimfbleak-20241201164100-Better_late..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimfbleak-20241201164100-Better_late..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jimfbleak-20241201164100-Better_late..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201165800-Jimfbleak-20241201164100"></span>Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:Jimfbleak" title="User:Jimfbleak">Jimfbleak</a>! :) Yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes my memory does... that... what was I saying again? <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241201165800-Jimfbleak-20241201164100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201165800-Jimfbleak-20241201164100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201165800-Jimfbleak-20241201164100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:Sukdev_Mahapatra" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201192500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201192500"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sukdev Mahapatra (page does not exist)">User:Sukdev Mahapatra</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:Sukdev_Mahapatra-20241201192500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: User:Sukdev Mahapatra"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241201192500-User:Sukdev_Mahapatra"></span>oh wise one…I was looking to tag <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sukdev Mahapatra (page does not exist)">User:Sukdev Mahapatra</a> for speedy deletion, but no option appears for me in the drop down menus. I have tagged the similar rejected draft <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sukdev_Mahapatra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Sukdev Mahapatra (page does not exist)">Draft:Sukdev Mahapatra</a>. Is there now no option for tagging user pages which are blatantly promotional? <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Theroadislong-20241201192500-User:Sukdev_Mahapatra" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241201192500-User:Sukdev_Mahapatra"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241201192500-User:Sukdev_Mahapatra"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194000-Theroadislong-20241201192500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> Maybe it's because the userpage actually exists on meta.wikimedia.org, and would have to be deleted there. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194000-Theroadislong-20241201192500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194000-Theroadislong-20241201192500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194000-Theroadislong-20241201192500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201195100-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194000"></span>Err... yeah, what she said. I knew that. (Not.) <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241201195100-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201195100-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241201195100-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201195500-DoubleGrazing-20241201195100"></span>I will accept my position of "O Wise One" with grace and glee. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201195500-DoubleGrazing-20241201195100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201195500-DoubleGrazing-20241201195100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201195500-DoubleGrazing-20241201195100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194700-Theroadislong-20241201192500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> Apologies for the double ping. I tried nominating the page for speedy deletion on Meta and got a "People don't usually edit other peoples user pages. If you have a concern, go here." So, I <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta%3ARequests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat&diff=27893408&oldid=27892989">went where I was directed.</a> <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194700-Theroadislong-20241201192500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194700-Theroadislong-20241201192500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194700-Theroadislong-20241201192500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241201201400-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194700"></span>Excellent thank you, we live and learn! <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Theroadislong-20241201201400-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241201201400-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241201201400-I_dream_of_horses-20241201194700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241202065200-Theroadislong-20241201201400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> and DoubleGrazing: Look at that, they have a resume-like userpage now. Still problematic, but given the recent discussions on U5 deletions, I'm not nominating. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241202065200-Theroadislong-20241201201400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241202065200-Theroadislong-20241201201400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241202065200-Theroadislong-20241201201400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202065900-I_dream_of_horses-20241202065200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a>: urgh... looks like they're getting pretty close to !HERE.</dd> <dd>What discussions on U5? -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241202065900-I_dream_of_horses-20241202065200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202065900-I_dream_of_horses-20241202065200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202065900-I_dream_of_horses-20241202065200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241202072000-DoubleGrazing-20241202065900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> The one that ultimately led to Fastilys' retirement. Hypothetically, this user could be posting their resume to inform us how/where they might edit. And that's the issue. They're right on the border. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241202072000-DoubleGrazing-20241202065900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241202072000-DoubleGrazing-20241202065900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241202072000-DoubleGrazing-20241202065900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202072500-I_dream_of_horses-20241202072000"></span>Oh right, thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a>; I thought maybe there had been something in the last day or two, which I'd missed. Yeah, this is a tricky area, and the UP guidance isn't very clear at all (probably on purpose!). Must try to be on my best behaviour, then... <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241202072500-I_dream_of_horses-20241202072000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202072500-I_dream_of_horses-20241202072000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241202072500-I_dream_of_horses-20241202072000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241202084100-DoubleGrazing-20241202072500"></span>I don't see it as being borderline their account is being used only for promotional purposes. Repeated blatant promotion of self on user page, and assorted deleted drafts, and zero other useful edits anywhere on the project. <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Theroadislong-20241202084100-DoubleGrazing-20241202072500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241202084100-DoubleGrazing-20241202072500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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title="Special:PermanentLink/1257592926">Spicy</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1257061609#CheckUser_and_conflict_of_interest_VRT_appointments,_November_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1257061609">TheresNoTime</a></li></ul></div></dd></dl> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Green_check.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/20px-Green_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/30px-Green_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/40px-Green_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> <b>Guideline and policy news</b> </p> <ul><li>Following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrators#RFC:_Resysoppings_after_five_years_with_no_administrative_actions" title="Wikipedia talk:Administrators">an RFC</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Restoration_of_adminship" title="Wikipedia:Administrators">policy on restoration of adminship</a> has been updated. 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This is probably <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">good-faith</a> confusion. Both versions of the draft are now declined. If the originator is able to demonstrate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">corporate notability</a>, it will have to be accepted as <a href="/w/index.php?title=Cosmic_Latte_(company)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Cosmic Latte (company) (page does not exist)">Cosmic Latte (company)</a> because <a href="/wiki/Cosmic_latte" title="Cosmic latte">Cosmic latte</a> is the blended color of galaxies in the universe. Sometimes multiple copies of drafts are an attempt to confuse the reviewers, and sometimes they are confusion by the originator. I think we can assume good faith. <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Robert_McClenon-20241203190700-Draft:Cosmic_Latte_(company)_and_Draft:Cosmic_Latte" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_McClenon-20241203190700-Draft:Cosmic_Latte_(company)_and_Draft:Cosmic_Latte"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_McClenon-20241203190700-Draft:Cosmic_Latte_(company)_and_Draft:Cosmic_Latte"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203200300-Robert_McClenon-20241203190700"></span>Okay, I'm with you on this @<a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a>. Thanks, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-DoubleGrazing-20241203200300-Robert_McClenon-20241203190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203200300-Robert_McClenon-20241203190700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241203200300-Robert_McClenon-20241203190700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_3-20241203214200"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21_3"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_3-20241203214200"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_3-20241203214200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241203214200-A_barnstar_for_you!_3"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Special_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Special_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Special_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Special_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Special_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Special_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Special_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Special Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Thanks for being awesome. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing#c-Qcne-20241203214200-A_barnstar_for_you!_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241203214200-A_barnstar_for_you!_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241203214200-A_barnstar_for_you!_3"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&oldid=1261027139">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DoubleGrazing&oldid=1261027139</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 3 December 2024, at 21:42<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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