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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rock_music" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Rock music</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Rock music</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Rock music</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Rock music articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Table_too_wide" data-mw-thread-id="h-Table_too_wide"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Table_too_wide"></span>Table too wide<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Table_too_wide"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Table too wide"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>This table is too wide and displays very poorly in IE6 (the table overlaps the text in the left-hand navbar. <a href="/wiki/User:Bkonrad" title="User:Bkonrad">Bkonrad</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bkonrad" title="User talk:Bkonrad">Talk</a> 16:31, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Two_lists" data-mw-thread-id="h-Two_lists-2005-11-25T05:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Two_lists-2005-11-25T05:25:00.000Z"></span>Two lists<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Two_lists-2005-11-25T05:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Two lists"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Westius-2005-11-25T05:25:00.000Z-Two_lists"></span>Why are there two lists in this template? There doesn't seem to be a substantial difference in the context of each list. Should we merge them, or could someone who knows why there are two perhaps sort them appropriately? Cheers (<a href="/wiki/User:Westius" title="User:Westius">Westius</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Westius-2005-11-25T05:25:00.000Z-Two_lists" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:25, 25 November 2005 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Westius-2005-11-25T05:25:00.000Z-Two_lists"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Westius-2005-11-25T05:25:00.000Z-Two_lists"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danhash-2005-12-15T04:40:00.000Z-Westius-2005-11-25T05:25:00.000Z"></span>i noticed this also. if nobody has any objections i think we should sort it alphabetically. <a href="/wiki/User:Danhash" title="User:Danhash">danhash</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Danhash-2005-12-15T04:40:00.000Z-Westius-2005-11-25T05:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 15 December 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danhash-2005-12-15T04:40:00.000Z-Westius-2005-11-25T05:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danhash-2005-12-15T04:40:00.000Z-Westius-2005-11-25T05:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="cumbia_rock" data-mw-thread-id="h-cumbia_rock-2005-12-24T18:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-cumbia_rock-2005-12-24T18:12:00.000Z"></span>cumbia rock<span data-mw-comment-end="h-cumbia_rock-2005-12-24T18:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: cumbia rock"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danhash-2005-12-24T18:12:00.000Z-cumbia_rock"></span>i removed cumbia rock; check <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/Cumbia_rock">here</a> for more info. <a href="/wiki/User:Danhash" title="User:Danhash">danhash</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Danhash-2005-12-24T18:12:00.000Z-cumbia_rock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 24 December 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danhash-2005-12-24T18:12:00.000Z-cumbia_rock"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danhash-2005-12-24T18:12:00.000Z-cumbia_rock"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rock_en_español" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rock_en_español-2006-03-04T19:18:00.000Z"><span id="Rock_en_espa.C3.B1ol"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rock_en_español-2006-03-04T19:18:00.000Z"></span>Rock en español<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rock_en_español-2006-03-04T19:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Rock en español"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ProhibitOnions-2006-03-04T19:18:00.000Z-Rock_en_español"></span>I've removed this from the template as it's not really a genre so much as a linguistic category, and we can't list every language in which rock music is made. It belongs in <a href="/w/index.php?title=World_rock&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="World rock (page does not exist)">World rock</a> instead, as per the template of that name. <a href="/wiki/User:ProhibitOnions" title="User:ProhibitOnions">ProhibitOnions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-ProhibitOnions-2006-03-04T19:18:00.000Z-Rock_en_español" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ProhibitOnions-2006-03-04T19:18:00.000Z-Rock_en_español"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ProhibitOnions-2006-03-04T19:18:00.000Z-Rock_en_español"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposal_for_a_heirarchy_or_this_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposal_for_a_heirarchy_or_this_template-2006-06-21T06:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposal_for_a_heirarchy_or_this_template-2006-06-21T06:53:00.000Z"></span>Proposal for a heirarchy or this template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposal_for_a_heirarchy_or_this_template-2006-06-21T06:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Proposal for a heirarchy or this template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T06:53:00.000Z-Proposal_for_a_heirarchy_or_this_template"></span>I think it would make this template a lot more useful if there were a two or maybe three tiered division with the more notable genres towards the top and in bigger/bolder type. I know this could start a debate over just how notable each genre is and whether it deserves to be first tier or second tier or third tier or whatever, but I think it's pretty clear that some of the genres are a whole lot more notable than others. For example, I think we'd all agree that <a href="/wiki/Punk_rock" title="Punk rock">Punk rock</a> and <a href="/wiki/Heavy_metal_music" title="Heavy metal music">Heavy metal</a> are a whole lot more notable as genres than <a href="/wiki/Flamenco-rock" class="mw-redirect" title="Flamenco-rock">Flamenco-rock</a> or <a href="/wiki/Raga_rock" title="Raga rock">Raga rock</a> (yes, I know some songs of very famous groups are considered Raga rock, but as a genre, most people haven't even heard of it!). </p><p>Anyway, having that big list with no ranking makes it hard to find the genre you're looking for at a quick glance, which is what navigation templates are designed for. So it's pretty clear to me that it needs to be sorted. I'm thinking three-tiered might be the best solution, with the biggest most well-known genres, somewhat well known ones in the middle, and a group at the bottom of genres that are mostly just of interest to a smaller sub-culture, geographical region, or to music historians. <a href="/wiki/User:ENpeeOHvee" title="User:ENpeeOHvee">ENpeeOHvee</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T06:53:00.000Z-Proposal_for_a_heirarchy_or_this_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T06:53:00.000Z-Proposal_for_a_heirarchy_or_this_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T06:53:00.000Z-Proposal_for_a_heirarchy_or_this_template"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T08:13:00.000Z-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T06:53:00.000Z"></span>I put together this rough draft of what the template would look like, formatted and sorted and such. As for the categorizations, I wasn't totally sure about all of them, but given pretty good general knowledge of musice, I'm pretty sure at least 75% of these are categorized right, and with the remainder it was always a debate about whether it was first or second tier, or second or third tier - (I'm pretty sure none of the third tier ones would belong in first tier and vice versa). So anyhow, let me know what you think about the formatting and everything (I'm still fairly new to designing tables like this...) <a href="/wiki/User:ENpeeOHvee" title="User:ENpeeOHvee">ENpeeOHvee</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T08:13:00.000Z-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T06:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T08:13:00.000Z-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T06:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T08:13:00.000Z-ENpeeOHvee-2006-06-21T06:53:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <table class="toccolours" align="center" width="94%" style="margin:0.5em 1em; clear:both"> <tbody><tr> <td> </td> <th style="background:crimson"> <p><span style="font-size:large;"><b><a href="/wiki/Rock_and_roll" title="Rock and roll">Rock and roll</a> | <a href="/wiki/List_of_rock_genres" title="List of rock genres">Rock genres</a></b></span><br/> </p> </th> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td align="center"><span style="font-size:medium;"><b><a href="/wiki/Alternative_rock" title="Alternative rock">Alternative rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/British_Invasion" title="British Invasion">British Invasion</a> | <a href="/wiki/Christian_rock" title="Christian rock">Christian rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Country_rock" title="Country rock">Country rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Hard_rock" title="Hard rock">Hard rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Heavy_metal_music" title="Heavy metal music">Heavy metal</a> | <a href="/wiki/Power_pop" title="Power pop">Power pop</a> | <a href="/wiki/Punk_rock" title="Punk rock">Punk rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Rockabilly" title="Rockabilly">Rockabilly</a> | Gypsybilly | <a href="/wiki/Soft_rock" title="Soft rock">Soft rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Southern_rock" title="Southern rock">Southern rock</a> |</b></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td align="center"><span style="font-size:medium;"><a href="/wiki/Arena_rock" title="Arena rock">Arena rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Blues-rock" class="mw-redirect" title="Blues-rock">Blues-rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Boogaloo" title="Boogaloo">Boogaloo</a> | <a href="/wiki/Emo_(music)" class="mw-redirect" title="Emo (music)">Emo</a> | <a href="/wiki/Folk-rock" class="mw-redirect" title="Folk-rock">Folk-rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Garage_rock" title="Garage rock">Garage rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Girl_group" title="Girl group">Girl group</a> | <a href="/wiki/Glam_rock" title="Glam rock">Glam rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Hardcore_punk" title="Hardcore punk">Hardcore</a> | <a href="/wiki/Instrumental_rock" title="Instrumental rock">Instrumental rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Jam_band" title="Jam band">Jam band</a> | <a href="/wiki/Mod_(lifestyle)" class="mw-redirect" title="Mod (lifestyle)">Mod</a> | <a href="/wiki/Progressive_rock" title="Progressive rock">Progressive rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Psychedelic_music" title="Psychedelic music">Psychedelic</a> | <a href="/wiki/Surf_rock" class="mw-redirect" title="Surf rock">Surf</a> | <a href="/wiki/Symphonic_rock" class="mw-redirect" title="Symphonic rock">Symphonic rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Yacht_rock" title="Yacht rock">Yacht rock</a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td align="center"><small><a href="/wiki/Aboriginal_rock" class="mw-redirect" title="Aboriginal rock">Aboriginal rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Anatolian_rock" title="Anatolian rock">Anatolian rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Art_rock" title="Art rock">Art rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Avant-rock" class="mw-redirect" title="Avant-rock">Avant-rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Cello_rock" title="Cello rock">Cello rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Chicano_rock" title="Chicano rock">Chicano rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Palm_Desert_Scene" title="Palm Desert Scene">Desert rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Detroit_rock" class="mw-redirect" title="Detroit rock">Detroit rock</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Dialect_rock&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Dialect rock (page does not exist)">Dialect rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Flamenco-rock" class="mw-redirect" title="Flamenco-rock">Flamenco-rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Glam_metal" title="Glam metal">Glam metal</a> | <a href="/wiki/Heartland_rock" title="Heartland rock">Heartland rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Jangle_pop" title="Jangle pop">Jangle pop</a> | <a href="/wiki/Krautrock" title="Krautrock">Krautrock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Madchester" title="Madchester">Madchester</a> | <a href="/wiki/Mersey_sound" class="mw-redirect" title="Mersey sound">Mersey sound</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Piano_rock&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Piano rock (page does not exist)">Piano rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Post-rock" title="Post-rock">Post-rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Pub_rock_(Australia)" title="Pub rock (Australia)">Pub rock (Aussie)</a> | <a href="/wiki/Pub_rock_(UK)" class="mw-redirect" title="Pub rock (UK)">Pub rock (UK)</a> | <a href="/wiki/Punta_rock" title="Punta rock">Punta rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Raga_rock" title="Raga rock">Raga rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Ra%C3%AF_rock" class="mw-redirect" title="Raï rock">Raï rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Rockoson" class="mw-redirect" title="Rockoson">Rockoson</a> | <a href="/wiki/Samba-rock" class="mw-redirect" title="Samba-rock">Samba-rock</a> | <a href="/wiki/Skiffle" title="Skiffle">Skiffle</a> |</small> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bloated" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bloated-2006-09-13T15:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bloated-2006-09-13T15:53:00.000Z"></span>Bloated<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bloated-2006-09-13T15:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Bloated"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ortzinator-2006-09-13T15:53:00.000Z-Bloated"></span>This template is seriously bloated. I've never even heard of most of these. Templates like this are for assisting with navigation, not simply listing related articles. Someone should either cut down on the number of genres listed or remove it entirely and just link to <a href="/wiki/List_of_rock_genres" title="List of rock genres">List of rock genres</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ortzinator" title="User:Ortzinator">Ortzinator</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Ortzinator-2006-09-13T15:53:00.000Z-Bloated" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ortzinator-2006-09-13T15:53:00.000Z-Bloated"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ortzinator-2006-09-13T15:53:00.000Z-Bloated"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OAC-2007-10-10T06:33:00.000Z-Ortzinator-2006-09-13T15:53:00.000Z"></span>I'm going to go ahead and remove many of the non-notable articles. Somebody will probably revert, but it might stimulate discussion on the subject.—<a href="/wiki/User:Old_american_century" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Old american century"><big>oac</big> <small>old american century</small></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:OAC" title="User talk:OAC"><sup>talk</sup></a> @ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-OAC-2007-10-10T06:33:00.000Z-Ortzinator-2006-09-13T15:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OAC-2007-10-10T06:33:00.000Z-Ortzinator-2006-09-13T15:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OAC-2007-10-10T06:33:00.000Z-Ortzinator-2006-09-13T15:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Christian_Rock" data-mw-thread-id="h-Christian_Rock-2006-11-16T03:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Christian_Rock-2006-11-16T03:39:00.000Z"></span>Christian Rock<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Christian_Rock-2006-11-16T03:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Christian Rock"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-11-16T03:39:00.000Z-Christian_Rock"></span>Does Christian Rock deserve a place on the template? After reading the article it seems that it isn't a genre like all the others, but could be any of the genres (just with Christian lyrics). Bands that have been identified as 'Christian Rock' include: </p> <ul><li>Petra (which is prog-rock)</li> <li>Switchfoot (which is poppy post-grunge)</li> <li>Relient K (which is pop-punk)</li> <li>Sixpence None The Richer (pop rock)</li></ul> <p>Even those bands that are similar and often misidentified such a Coldplay, U2, Thrice, and Creed vary VERY widely. </p><p>It is not a genre, as bands range from punk, to pop, to hardcore, to folk. Why then is it in rock genres? <a href="/wiki/User:Dark_jedi_requiem" title="User:Dark jedi requiem"><span style="color:#0000ff;">Dark j</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:Dark_jedi_requiem/Esperanza" title="User:Dark jedi requiem/Esperanza"><span style="color:#00FF00;">e</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dark_jedi_requiem" title="User talk:Dark jedi requiem"><span style="color:#000080;">di requiem</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-11-16T03:39:00.000Z-Christian_Rock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-11-16T03:39:00.000Z-Christian_Rock"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-11-16T03:39:00.000Z-Christian_Rock"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-63.21.45.223-2006-12-01T06:09:00.000Z-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-11-16T03:39:00.000Z"></span>Au contraire. Genre doesn't just mean sound. It can mean theme, too (for instance, <a href="/wiki/Death_metal" title="Death metal">death metal</a> has dark themes by default). I'd argue that Christian rock is a general, blanket term for a number of hybrid subgenres that marry Christian religious-themed music (remember, <a href="/wiki/Gospel_music" title="Gospel music">Gospel music</a> is considered a genre, too) with various rock subgenres, including (as you noted) pop rock, punk rock, folk rock, etc. Thus I feel it's fine in the template. Also, it's a fairly notable one - I've known about the existance of it for so long I don't remember when I first heard about it (and I don't come from a family that listens to it, either!). I know of at least two stations in my area that cater specifically to Christian rock, so, obviously, notable, both in terms of religious culture and music. (Side note: I'm not even Christian, I'm agnostic, and tend to for the most part dislike Christian rock, so this has nothing to do with me defending a genre based on my religious preferences or musical preferences, either). <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:63.21.45.223&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:63.21.45.223 (page does not exist)">63.21.45.223</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-63.21.45.223-2006-12-01T06:09:00.000Z-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-11-16T03:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-63.21.45.223-2006-12-01T06:09:00.000Z-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-11-16T03:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-63.21.45.223-2006-12-01T06:09:00.000Z-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-11-16T03:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-12-03T16:27:00.000Z-63.21.45.223-2006-12-01T06:09:00.000Z"></span>Than it is a sub-sub genre instead of genre of rock. Subgenres do not get a place on this list. Since emo, which is relativily punk (Which has different themes), although popular, does not get on the list.<a href="/wiki/User:Dark_jedi_requiem" title="User:Dark jedi requiem"><span style="color:#0000ff;">Dark j</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:Dark_jedi_requiem/Esperanza" title="User:Dark jedi requiem/Esperanza"><span style="color:#00FF00;">e</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dark_jedi_requiem" title="User talk:Dark jedi requiem"><span style="color:#000080;">di requiem</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-12-03T16:27:00.000Z-63.21.45.223-2006-12-01T06:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-12-03T16:27:00.000Z-63.21.45.223-2006-12-01T06:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dark_jedi_requiem-2006-12-03T16:27:00.000Z-63.21.45.223-2006-12-01T06:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Discuss_changes?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discuss_changes?-2007-02-16T10:38:00.000Z"><span id="Discuss_changes.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discuss_changes?-2007-02-16T10:38:00.000Z"></span>Discuss changes?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discuss_changes?-2007-02-16T10:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Discuss changes?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-16T10:38:00.000Z-Discuss_changes?"></span>Is that what? one and only template you've seen? I introduced standard appearance, navigational template used all over wp. you wanna have your ugly table? fine by me. bye--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:132.73.80.97&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:132.73.80.97 (page does not exist)">132.73.80.97</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-16T10:38:00.000Z-Discuss_changes?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-16T10:38:00.000Z-Discuss_changes?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-16T10:38:00.000Z-Discuss_changes?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WesleyDodds-2007-02-16T10:42:00.000Z-132.73.80.97-2007-02-16T10:38:00.000Z"></span>First of all, there are a nubmer of different tables. Second, it's not considered civl if you keep changing things without discussion, particularly a template. <a href="/wiki/User:WesleyDodds" title="User:WesleyDodds">WesleyDodds</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-WesleyDodds-2007-02-16T10:42:00.000Z-132.73.80.97-2007-02-16T10:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WesleyDodds-2007-02-16T10:42:00.000Z-132.73.80.97-2007-02-16T10:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WesleyDodds-2007-02-16T10:42:00.000Z-132.73.80.97-2007-02-16T10:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T10:09:00.000Z-WesleyDodds-2007-02-16T10:42:00.000Z"></span>Did you attempted to discuss something? didn't you revert my edits w/o a single word of explanation? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:132.73.80.97&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:132.73.80.97 (page does not exist)">132.73.80.97</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T10:09:00.000Z-WesleyDodds-2007-02-16T10:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T10:09:00.000Z-WesleyDodds-2007-02-16T10:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T10:09:00.000Z-WesleyDodds-2007-02-16T10:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WesleyDodds-2007-02-17T13:20:00.000Z-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T10:09:00.000Z"></span>Your edits were reverted by a number of people. <a href="/wiki/User:WesleyDodds" title="User:WesleyDodds">WesleyDodds</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-WesleyDodds-2007-02-17T13:20:00.000Z-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WesleyDodds-2007-02-17T13:20:00.000Z-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T10:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WesleyDodds-2007-02-17T13:20:00.000Z-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T10:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T14:14:00.000Z-WesleyDodds-2007-02-17T13:20:00.000Z"></span>users, wesley, users. not people. 3 to be precise, two of them ip, so I wouldn't bet that it was not you. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:132.73.80.97&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:132.73.80.97 (page does not exist)">132.73.80.97</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T14:14:00.000Z-WesleyDodds-2007-02-17T13:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T14:14:00.000Z-WesleyDodds-2007-02-17T13:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-132.73.80.97-2007-02-17T14:14:00.000Z-WesleyDodds-2007-02-17T13:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Minor_Cosmetic_Changes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Minor_Cosmetic_Changes-2007-11-21T14:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Minor_Cosmetic_Changes-2007-11-21T14:08:00.000Z"></span>Minor Cosmetic Changes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Minor_Cosmetic_Changes-2007-11-21T14:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Minor Cosmetic Changes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thundermaster367-2007-11-21T14:08:00.000Z-Minor_Cosmetic_Changes"></span>What do think of <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thundermaster367/Test_Page_Time&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thundermaster367/Test Page Time (page does not exist)">this</a>? It's a template on one of my user sub-pages that has an edited copy. <a href="/wiki/User:Thundermaster367" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thundermaster367">''I Am The Master Of All Thunder''</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thundermaster367" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Thundermaster367">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Thundermaster367-2007-11-21T14:08:00.000Z-Minor_Cosmetic_Changes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thundermaster367-2007-11-21T14:08:00.000Z-Minor_Cosmetic_Changes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thundermaster367-2007-11-21T14:08:00.000Z-Minor_Cosmetic_Changes"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_Template" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Template-2007-11-26T09:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_Template-2007-11-26T09:25:00.000Z"></span>New Template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_Template-2007-11-26T09:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: New Template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thundermaster367-2007-11-26T09:25:00.000Z-New_Template"></span>Don't you think we should have another rock template, with the less notable genres. I'll start work on it. <a href="/wiki/User:Thundermaster367" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thundermaster367">''I Am The Master Of All Thunder''</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thundermaster367" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Thundermaster367">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Thundermaster367-2007-11-26T09:25:00.000Z-New_Template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thundermaster367-2007-11-26T09:25:00.000Z-New_Template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thundermaster367-2007-11-26T09:25:00.000Z-New_Template"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_section_required..._or_moving_certain_items_into_the_"Other_topics"_area" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_section_required..._or_moving_certain_items_into_the_"Other_topics"_area-2008-08-18T13:51:00.000Z"><span id="New_section_required..._or_moving_certain_items_into_the_.22Other_topics.22_area"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_section_required..._or_moving_certain_items_into_the_"Other_topics"_area-2008-08-18T13:51:00.000Z"></span>New section required... or moving certain items into the "Other topics" area<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_section_required..._or_moving_certain_items_into_the_"Other_topics"_area-2008-08-18T13:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: New section required... or moving certain items into the "Other topics" area"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiki_libs-2008-08-18T13:51:00.000Z-New_section_required..._or_moving_certain_items_into_the_"Other_topics"_area"></span>The current template has a few deceiving tidbits in it that should be adjusted.. specifically the prime list of genres in the template contains 4 "non-genre" entries. Arena rock, British Invasion, Canterbury Scene and Jam band are not genres but are listed incorrectly among the other "true" musical genres. These 4 terms should be moved down into the <i>"Other topics"</i> area of the template and leave the top section for "genres' only". Or perhaps a section separate from the 'other topics' area could be created to list these "Rock related" but "non-genre" terms. I will test view a few versions of the template and adjust accordingly. <a href="/wiki/User:Wiki_libs" title="User:Wiki libs">Libs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiki_libs" title="User talk:Wiki libs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Wiki_libs-2008-08-18T13:51:00.000Z-New_section_required..._or_moving_certain_items_into_the_"Other_topics"_area" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiki_libs-2008-08-18T13:51:00.000Z-New_section_required..._or_moving_certain_items_into_the_"Other_topics"_area"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiki_libs-2008-08-18T13:51:00.000Z-New_section_required..._or_moving_certain_items_into_the_"Other_topics"_area"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alternative_rock,_punk_rock_and_heavy_metal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alternative_rock,_punk_rock_and_heavy_metal-2010-07-31T06:26:00.000Z"><span id="Alternative_rock.2C_punk_rock_and_heavy_metal"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alternative_rock,_punk_rock_and_heavy_metal-2010-07-31T06:26:00.000Z"></span>Alternative rock, punk rock and heavy metal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alternative_rock,_punk_rock_and_heavy_metal-2010-07-31T06:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Alternative rock, punk rock and heavy metal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sabrebd-2010-07-31T06:26:00.000Z-Alternative_rock,_punk_rock_and_heavy_metal"></span>This is really a note for editors that are unfamiiar with this template. Basically all of these major subgenres have their own templates, so sub-genres of those are not usually placed on this one. Otherwise it would be much too big to manage.--<b><span style="font-family:Black Chancery;text:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em;"><a href="/wiki/User:Sabrebd" title="User:Sabrebd"><span style="color:blue;">SabreBD</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sabrebd" title="User talk:Sabrebd">talk</a>)</span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Sabrebd-2010-07-31T06:26:00.000Z-Alternative_rock,_punk_rock_and_heavy_metal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 31 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sabrebd-2010-07-31T06:26:00.000Z-Alternative_rock,_punk_rock_and_heavy_metal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sabrebd-2010-07-31T06:26:00.000Z-Alternative_rock,_punk_rock_and_heavy_metal"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Radio_formats" data-mw-thread-id="h-Radio_formats-2012-03-05T20:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Radio_formats-2012-03-05T20:07:00.000Z"></span>Radio formats<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Radio_formats-2012-03-05T20:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Radio formats"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Varlaam-2012-03-05T20:07:00.000Z-Radio_formats"></span>Those are hardly universal. They are all American.<br/> Here in Canada, we have also had them shoved down our throats as well, but they are still US concepts.<br/> I can drive from Canada to the US, switch radio stations, and hear the same song list on the same day being played by stations owned by the same US corporation.<br/> When I am in Mexico, I do not hear this crass compartmentalization on their radio.<br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Varlaam" title="User:Varlaam">Varlaam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Varlaam" title="User talk:Varlaam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Varlaam-2012-03-05T20:07:00.000Z-Radio_formats" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Varlaam-2012-03-05T20:07:00.000Z-Radio_formats"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Varlaam-2012-03-05T20:07:00.000Z-Radio_formats"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levdr1lp-2012-03-11T12:45:00.000Z-Varlaam-2012-03-05T20:07:00.000Z"></span>When you confront the programme director and DJs at your local Canadian radio station with the fact that they are working from an American playlist, first of all, they deny it. Then, when they finally acknowledge it, they say, "Whaddaya want us to do about it, eh?"</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Varlaam" title="User:Varlaam">Varlaam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Varlaam" title="User talk:Varlaam">talk</a>)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I see no reason to label the radio format list as US-only. Nothing in the template says the formats are universal (global). Nothing says they are exclusively American. They simply are radio formats. Most (if not all) happened to form in the United States, but most are also used outside the United States. If/when a more "Canadian" (or German, or Japanese, or Brazilian, or... etc.) playlist/format article presents itself, then add it. <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Category:Active_rock_radio_stations_in_Canada" title="Category:Active rock radio stations in Canada">Category:Active rock radio stations in Canada</a> (65 stations)<br/><a href="/wiki/Category:Active_rock_radio_stations_in_Australia" title="Category:Active rock radio stations in Australia">Category:Active rock radio stations in Australia</a><br/><a href="/wiki/Category:Classic_rock_radio_stations_in_Canada" title="Category:Classic rock radio stations in Canada">Category:Classic rock radio stations in Canada</a><br/><a href="/wiki/Category:Classic_rock_radio_stations_in_the_United_Kingdom" title="Category:Classic rock radio stations in the United Kingdom">Category:Classic rock radio stations in the United Kingdom</a><br/><a href="/wiki/Category:Modern_rock_radio_stations_in_Canada" title="Category:Modern rock radio stations in Canada">Category:Modern rock radio stations in Canada</a><br/><a href="/wiki/User:Levdr1lp" title="User:Levdr1lp"><span style="background-color:black;color:white;"> <b>Levdr1</b></span><span style="background-color:black;color:red;"><b>lp</b> </span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levdr1lp" title="User talk:Levdr1lp"><span style="color:black;"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Levdr1lp-2012-03-11T12:45:00.000Z-Varlaam-2012-03-05T20:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 11 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levdr1lp-2012-03-11T12:45:00.000Z-Varlaam-2012-03-05T20:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levdr1lp-2012-03-11T12:45:00.000Z-Varlaam-2012-03-05T20:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Change_of_colour" data-mw-thread-id="h-Change_of_colour-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Change_of_colour-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z"></span>Change of colour<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Change_of_colour-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Change of colour"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z-Change_of_colour"></span>In respect of the recent clean up: is there a guideline that says that navboxes cannot be colour coded as they have been for years? I seem to remember a discussion about this and the problem of letter colours, but I cannot find it at the moment.--<span style="font-family:Black Chancery;text:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sabrebd" title="User:Sabrebd"><span style="color:blue;">SabreBD</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sabrebd" title="User talk:Sabrebd">talk</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z-Change_of_colour" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 10 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z-Change_of_colour"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z-Change_of_colour"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONTRAST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONTRAST"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Izno-2012-05-10T18:43:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z"></span>WP:CONTRAST</a> is the most relevant. I'm not too worried about the color being there or not, as the main purpose was hlist-ification, but I remove it if I notice it. I'd be opposed to re-adding it, but not strongly enough to argue about it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a><a href="/wiki/User:IznoRepeat" title="User:IznoRepeat">Repeat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Izno-2012-05-10T18:43:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 10 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Izno-2012-05-10T18:43:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Izno-2012-05-10T18:43:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T23:18:00.000Z-Izno-2012-05-10T18:43:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, that was the link I was looking for. I will take a look through the policy and see if I can work out where we stand for this colour mix.--<span style="font-family:Black Chancery;text:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sabrebd" title="User:Sabrebd"><span style="color:blue;">SabreBD</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sabrebd" title="User talk:Sabrebd">talk</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T23:18:00.000Z-Izno-2012-05-10T18:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T23:18:00.000Z-Izno-2012-05-10T18:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T23:18:00.000Z-Izno-2012-05-10T18:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ibadibam-2018-03-02T01:03:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z"></span>For current information, see <a href="/wiki/MOS:NAVBOXCOLOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:NAVBOXCOLOUR">MOS:NAVBOXCOLOUR</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Music/Music_genres_task_force/Colours" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force/Colours">Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force/Colours</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ibadibam" title="User:Ibadibam">Ibadibam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ibadibam" title="User talk:Ibadibam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Ibadibam-2018-03-02T01:03:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:03, 2 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ibadibam-2018-03-02T01:03:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ibadibam-2018-03-02T01:03:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2012-05-10T16:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Potential_Vandalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Potential_Vandalism-2021-06-21T19:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Potential_Vandalism-2021-06-21T19:57:00.000Z"></span>Potential Vandalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Potential_Vandalism-2021-06-21T19:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Potential Vandalism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Binksternet-2021-06-21T19:57:00.000Z-Potential_Vandalism"></span>Rock music had its subgenres' templates put on its page because putting the subgenres' subgenres on the Rock template would only have made the template too big to manage, so I decided to emulate the process with other genres with similar issues, like Folk music and Blues. But the edits kept being reverted by a user called Binksternet, and now Binksternet has removed the subgenres from Rock. I think he should be blocked. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2601:C7:C201:C640:84CB:6F5F:8B7F:3CE3&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2601:C7:C201:C640:84CB:6F5F:8B7F:3CE3 (page does not exist)">2601:C7:C201:C640:84CB:6F5F:8B7F:3CE3</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2601:C7:C201:C640:84CB:6F5F:8B7F:3CE3#top" title="User talk:2601:C7:C201:C640:84CB:6F5F:8B7F:3CE3">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:C7:C201:C640:84CB:6F5F:8B7F:3CE3" title="Special:Contributions/2601:C7:C201:C640:84CB:6F5F:8B7F:3CE3">contribs</a>) </span> </p> <dl><dd>So you have greatly expanded the rock music template in recent months, AND you want to duplicate this information with multiple additional templates at the bottom of the <a href="/wiki/Rock_music" title="Rock music">Rock music</a> article? That's what is known in the UK as a belt-and-braces approach, indicating two redundant methods used at the same time.</dd> <dd>All of that stuff is excessive. If a subtopic is important to a topic, it should be described in prose in the article body. Readers can find the links by reading the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Binksternet" title="User:Binksternet">Binksternet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Binksternet" title="User talk:Binksternet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-Binksternet-2021-06-21T19:57:00.000Z-Potential_Vandalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 21 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Binksternet-2021-06-21T19:57:00.000Z-Potential_Vandalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Binksternet-2021-06-21T19:57:00.000Z-Potential_Vandalism"></span> <dl><dd>The Rock music page was like that when I first came across it. I was simply adding stuff I thought was missing.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_Want_to_Talk" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_Want_to_Talk-2021-10-06T20:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_Want_to_Talk-2021-10-06T20:37:00.000Z"></span>I Want to Talk<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_Want_to_Talk-2021-10-06T20:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: I Want to Talk"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-47.36.25.163-2021-10-06T20:37:00.000Z-I_Want_to_Talk"></span>I'm trying to put all genres of rock music on this template, but my edits keep getting undone. Could someone check the history for my previous attempt and say what to do? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/47.36.25.163" title="Special:Contributions/47.36.25.163">47.36.25.163</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:47.36.25.163#top" title="User talk:47.36.25.163">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-47.36.25.163-2021-10-06T20:37:00.000Z-I_Want_to_Talk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:37, 6 October 2021 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-47.36.25.163-2021-10-06T20:37:00.000Z-I_Want_to_Talk"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-47.36.25.163-2021-10-06T20:37:00.000Z-I_Want_to_Talk"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Glam_rock" data-mw-thread-id="h-Glam_rock-2022-01-03T01:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Glam_rock-2022-01-03T01:24:00.000Z"></span>Glam rock<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Glam_rock-2022-01-03T01:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Glam rock"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:C7:C201:C640:6CB3:19E6:C628:900E-2022-01-03T01:24:00.000Z-Glam_rock"></span>Something is wrong. I am trying to put Glam metal and Glam punk on this template, but it keeps getting reversed. Could someone put a stop to this? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:C7:C201:C640:6CB3:19E6:C628:900E" title="Special:Contributions/2601:C7:C201:C640:6CB3:19E6:C628:900E">2601:C7:C201:C640:6CB3:19E6:C628:900E</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:C7:C201:C640:6CB3:19E6:C628:900E&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:C7:C201:C640:6CB3:19E6:C628:900E (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rock_music#c-2601:C7:C201:C640:6CB3:19E6:C628:900E-2022-01-03T01:24:00.000Z-Glam_rock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:C7:C201:C640:6CB3:19E6:C628:900E-2022-01-03T01:24:00.000Z-Glam_rock"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:C7:C201:C640:6CB3:19E6:C628:900E-2022-01-03T01:24:00.000Z-Glam_rock"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&oldid=1255235170">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Rock_music&oldid=1255235170</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_music_genre_articles" title="Category:Template-Class music genre articles">Template-Class music genre articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Music_genres_task_force_articles" title="Category:Music genres task force articles">Music genres task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Rock_music_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Rock music articles">Template-Class Rock music articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Rock_music_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Rock music articles">NA-importance Rock music articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Rock_music_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Rock music articles">WikiProject Rock music articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 3 November 2024, at 21:36<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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