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<ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guidance_for_younger_editors" title="Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors">Advice for young editors</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoiding_common_mistakes" title="Wikipedia:Avoiding common mistakes">Avoiding common mistakes</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette" title="Wikipedia:Etiquette">Etiquette</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Simplified_Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia:Simplified Manual of Style">Simplified Manual of Style</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Simplified_ruleset" title="Wikipedia:Simplified ruleset">Simplified rule-set</a> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules" title="Wikipedia:Ignore all rules">"Ignore all rules"</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_rules_are_principles" title="Wikipedia:The rules are principles">"The rules are principles"</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Styletips" title="Wikipedia:Styletips">Style-tips</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tip_of_the_day" title="Wikipedia:Tip of the day">Tip of the day</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Your_first_article" title="Help:Your first article">Your first article</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_wizard" title="Wikipedia:Article wizard">article wizard</a>)</li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align:center;;width:1%"><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_started" title="Help:Getting started">Getting started</a> <abbr title="Introductions and tutorials">(?)</abbr></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_create_an_account%3F" title="Wikipedia:Why create an account?">Why create an account?</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Help:Introduction">Introductions by topic</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphics_tutorials" title="Wikipedia:Graphics tutorials">Graphics tutorials</a> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pictures" title="Help:Pictures">Picture tutorial</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC/Tutorial" title="Wikipedia:IRC/Tutorial">IRC (live chat) tutorial</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide">VisualEditor user guide</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align:center;;width:1%"><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Dos and don'ts">Dos and don'ts</a> <abbr title="Wikipedia policies, guidelines, and formatting standards in bullet points">(?)</abbr></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Accessibility_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Accessibility dos and don'ts">Accessibility</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biography_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Biography dos and don'ts">Biographies</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons dos and don'ts">Biographies (living)</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Categorization dos and don'ts">Categorization</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Consensus dos and don'ts">Consensus</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Talk dos and don'ts">Discussions</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Disambiguation dos and don'ts">Disambiguation</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Image dos and don'ts">Images</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lead_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Lead dos and don'ts">Leads</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Linking_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Linking dos and don'ts">Links</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:List dos and don'ts">Lists</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:References_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:References dos and don'ts">References</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Table_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Table dos and don'ts">Tables</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_title_dos_and_don%27ts" title="Wikipedia:Article title dos and don'ts">Titles (of articles)</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align:center;;width:1%"><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_how-to" title="Category:Wikipedia how-to">How-to pages</a> and <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_information_pages" title="Category:Wikipedia information pages">information pages</a> <abbr title="Topic specific informative and instructional pages">(?)</abbr></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">Appealing blocks</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Guide to deletion">Article deletion</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Citations_quick_reference" title="Help:Citations quick reference">Citations/references</a> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">Referencing for beginners</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Citation_Style_1" title="Help:Citation Style 1">Citation Style 1</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Cite_errors" title="Help:Cite errors">Cite errors</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:References_and_page_numbers" title="Help:References and page numbers">References and page numbers</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Convert" title="Help:Convert">Convert</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Diff" title="Help:Diff">Diff</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing" title="Help:Editing">Editing</a> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Minor_edit" title="Help:Minor edit">Minor edit</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit_toolbar" title="Help:Edit toolbar">toolbar</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Find_sources" title="Help:Find sources">Find sources</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Files" title="Help:Files">Files</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Footnotes" title="Help:Footnotes">Footnotes</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_image_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Guide to image deletion">Image deletion</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Infobox" title="Help:Infobox">Infoboxes</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Link" title="Help:Link">Linking</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Link_color" title="Help:Link color">link color</a>)</li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Logging_in" title="Help:Logging in">Logging in</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging" title="Wikipedia:Merging">Merging</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Page_name" title="Help:Page name">Page name</a> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:How_to_move_a_page" title="Help:How to move a page">Renaming pages</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Redirect" title="Help:Redirect">Redirect</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Reset_password" title="Help:Reset password">Passwords</a> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Email_confirmation" title="Help:Email confirmation">Email confirmation</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Reverting" title="Help:Reverting">Reverting</a> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Simple_guide_to_vandalism_cleanup" title="Help:Simple guide to vandalism cleanup">Simple vandalism cleanup</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages" title="Help:Talk pages">Talk pages</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page" title="Help:Archiving a talk page">archiving</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Archiving_(plain_and_simple)" title="Help:Archiving (plain and simple)">simple archiving</a>)</li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:User_contributions" title="Help:User contributions">User contributions</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:WP_search_protocol" title="Help:WP search protocol">WP search protocol</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align:center;;width:1%"><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_markup" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiki markup">Coding</a> <abbr title="Wikitext information consists of the syntax used to format a page">(?)</abbr></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wikitext" title="Help:Wikitext">Wiki markup</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Barchart" title="Help:Barchart">Barcharts</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Calculation" title="Help:Calculation">Calculations</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Special_characters" title="Help:Special characters">Characters</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Columns" title="Help:Columns">Columns</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Hidden_text" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Hidden text">Hidden text</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:HTML_in_wikitext" title="Help:HTML in wikitext">HTML</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:List" title="Help:List">Lists</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words" title="Help:Magic words">Magic words</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Musical_symbols" title="Help:Musical symbols">Music symbols</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Section" title="Help:Section">Sections</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Sound_file_markup" title="Help:Sound file markup">Sounds</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table" title="Help:Table">Tables</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template" title="Help:Template">Templates</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Transclusion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Transclusion">Transclusion</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:URL" title="Help:URL">URL</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Visual_file_markup" title="Help:Visual file markup">Visual files</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align:center;;width:1%"><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Directories_and_indexes" title="Wikipedia:Directories and indexes">Directories</a> <abbr title="Wikipedia's directories and indexes">(?)</abbr></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_abbreviations" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia abbreviations">Abbreviations</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contents" title="Wikipedia:Contents">Contents</a> (Encyclopedia proper)</li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Department_directory" title="Wikipedia:Department directory">Departments</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor%27s_index_to_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Editor's index to Wikipedia">Editor's index</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Essay_directory" title="Wikipedia:Essay directory">Essays</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Index" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FAQ/Index">FAQs</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Glossary" title="Wikipedia:Glossary">Glossary</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:List of guidelines">Guidelines</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Contents" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Contents">Manual of Style </a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies" title="Wikipedia:List of policies">Policies</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Maintenance" title="Wikipedia:Maintenance">Tasks</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tips" title="Wikipedia:Tips">Tips</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools" title="Wikipedia:Tools">Tools</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" colspan="2" style="text-align:center;"><div> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wikipedia:_The_Missing_Manual" title="Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual">Missing Manual</a> <hr/> <a class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MyTalk&action=edit&section=new&preload=Help:Contents/helpmepreload&preloadtitle=Help+me%21">Ask for help on your talk page</a> <abbr title="If you need help, you can use this link to ask a question on your talk page; a volunteer will visit you there shortly!">(?)</abbr></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div> </div> <div class="hlist noprint" style="margin: 1.25em auto; font-size: 90%; text-align: center;"> <ul><li><a href="#August_23">Skip to today's questions</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Request_directory#Special_services" title="Wikipedia:Request directory">Special help services</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives" title="Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives">Archived discussions</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/How_to_answer" title="Wikipedia:Help desk/How to answer">How to answer</a></li></ul> </div> <table role="presentation" class="wikitable floatright noprint" style="width:300px; text-align:center;"> <tbody><tr> <td>Search the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ" title="Wikipedia:FAQ">frequently asked questions</a> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox" action="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search"><input class="mw-searchInput searchboxInput mw-ui-input mw-ui-input-inline" name="search" placeholder="" size="30" dir="ltr"/><input type="hidden" value="Wikipedia:FAQ" name="prefix"/> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" class="mw-ui-button" value="Search the FAQ"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Search the <a 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class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#August_19">1 August 19</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-2"><a href="#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing">1.1 Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-3"><a href="#Request_to_remove_maintenance_template_(COI)">1.2 Request to remove maintenance template (COI)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4"><a href="#How_can_I_test_that_my_image_alt_text_additions_are_working_for_blind_users?">1.3 How can I test that my image alt text additions are working for blind users?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-5"><a href="#Statistics_about_categories">1.4 Statistics about categories</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-6"><a href="#Articles_for_Deletion">1.5 Articles for Deletion</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-7"><a href="#Creating_multiple_accounts_using_the_same_IP_address">1.6 Creating multiple accounts using the same IP address</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-8"><a href="#Rollback_all">1.7 Rollback all</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-9"><a href="#anon_question">1.8 anon question</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-10"><a href="#General_Karl_von_Graffen_(English)">1.9 General Karl von Graffen (English)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-11"><a href="#https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad">1.10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#August_20">2 August 20</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-13"><a href="#Image_selection">2.1 Image selection</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-14"><a href="#Template_Data_Cite_map">2.2 Template Data Cite map</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-15"><a href="#Reference_List">2.3 Reference List</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-16"><a href="#Wikipedia_pages_on_iPhone">2.4 Wikipedia pages on iPhone</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-17"><a href="#Question">2.5 Question</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-18"><a href="#Sir_John_Brereton1576-1629_(Irish_Lawyer)">2.6 Sir John Brereton1576-1629 (Irish Lawyer)</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-19"><a href="#But_I_mean_on_the_merits...">2.6.1 But I mean on the merits...</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#August_21">3 August 21</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-21"><a href="#Uploading_an_image">3.1 Uploading an image</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-22"><a href="#Please!">3.2 Please!</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-23"><a href="#Is_this_website_is_suitable_for_reliability?">3.3 Is this website is suitable for reliability?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-24"><a href="#How_to_make_article_entitle_as_"Maniklal_Sinha"_de-orphan_?">3.4 How to make article entitle as "Maniklal Sinha" de-orphan ?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-25"><a href="#Proposed_Text_Revision_of_en.Wikipedia's_"No._25_Squadron_RAAF"_Website_$_Uploading_of_2_Photos">3.5 Proposed Text Revision of en.Wikipedia's "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" Website $ Uploading of 2 Photos</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-26"><a href="#Notification_of_lawsuit_against_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_from_anonymous_editor_at_Multiverse,_Data_and_other_articles:_Discussion_of_place_and_time">3.6 Notification of lawsuit against the Wikimedia Foundation from anonymous editor at Multiverse, Data and other articles: Discussion of place and time</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-27"><a href="#Db-R2">3.7 Db-R2</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-28"><a href="#Translation_of_"Peren-Theorem"_into_English">3.8 Translation of "Peren-Theorem" into English</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-29"><a href="#Cascade-protected_with_edit_button">3.9 Cascade-protected with edit button</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#August_22">4 August 22</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-31"><a href="#How_can_I_disable_automatic_log_in_on_other_wikipedia_language_versions_or_is_it_possible_to_delete_such_accounts?">4.1 How can I disable automatic log in on other wikipedia language versions or is it possible to delete such accounts?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-32"><a href="#Replace_a_citation">4.2 Replace a citation</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-33"><a href="#Family_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge">4.3 Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-34"><a href="#Changed_definition">4.4 Changed definition</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-35"><a href="#Ivins-Conover_House">4.5 Ivins-Conover House</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-36"><a href="#Notifing_members_in_a_WikiProject">4.6 Notifing members in a WikiProject</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-37"><a href="#Article_Suggests/Advices">4.7 Article Suggests/Advices</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-38"><a href="#Tag_for_source_using_Wikipedia_as_a_source">4.8 Tag for source using Wikipedia as a source</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#August_23">5 August 23</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-40"><a href="#Update_request">5.1 Update request</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-41"><a href="#I_seek_an_inline_double-brace_tool_that_displays_language_type_and_a_translated_word">5.2 I seek an inline double-brace tool that displays language type and a translated word</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-42"><a href="#Adding_(defunct)_to_inactive_websites">5.3 Adding (defunct) to inactive websites</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-43"><a href="#Editing_a_Wikipaedia_Entry">5.4 Editing a Wikipaedia Entry</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-44"><a href="#Citing_Sources_When_Changes_are_Requested_by_Page's_Subject">5.5 Citing Sources When Changes are Requested by Page's Subject</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-45"><a href="#Eastern_and_Western_Armenian">5.6 Eastern and Western Armenian</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-46"><a href="#PDFs_not_opening_correctly,_pages_shows_scrambled_code">5.7 PDFs not opening correctly, pages shows scrambled code</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-47"><a href="#Question_about_Copyvio-revdel">5.8 Question about Copyvio-revdel</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> <h1><span class="mw-headline" id="August_19" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-August_19","replies":["h-Wikipedia:Arbitration\/Requests\/Case\/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing-August_19-20220819003600","h-Request_to_remove_maintenance_template_(COI)-August_19-20220819004300","h-How_can_I_test_that_my_image_alt_text_additions_are_working_for_blind_users?-August_19-20220819012500","h-Statistics_about_categories-August_19-20220819042500","h-Articles_for_Deletion-August_19-20220819110800","h-Creating_multiple_accounts_using_the_same_IP_address-August_19-20220819164000","h-Rollback_all-August_19-20220819165300","h-anon_question-August_19-20220819165600","h-General_Karl_von_Graffen_(English)-August_19-20220819180900","h-https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad-August_19-20220819212400"],"headingLevel":1,"name":"h-"}">August 19[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: August 19">edit</a>]</h1> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wikipedia:Arbitration\/Requests\/Case\/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing-August_19-20220819003600","replies":["c-Jax_0677-20220819003600-Wikipedia:Arbitration\/Requests\/Case\/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jax_0677-20220819003600"}"><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing</a>[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Approximately when should the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing#Request_for_Comment" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing">RFC</a> for <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing</a> take place? Please {{<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ping" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ping">ping</a>}} me when you respond. -- <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jax_0677" title="User:Jax 0677">Jax 0677</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jax_0677" title="User talk:Jax 0677">talk</a>) 00:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jax_0677-20220819003600-Wikipedia:Arbitration\/Requests\/Case\/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing","replies":["c-Weeklyd3-20220819003800-Jax_0677-20220819003600"],"timestamp":"20220819003600","author":"Jax 0677"}"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jax_0677" title="User:Jax 0677">Jax 0677</a>, I'm actually not sure, but you can try clicking the star to the left of the search box to be notified when someone creates it. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Weeklyd3" title="User:Weeklyd3">weeklyd3</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/weeklyd3" title="Special:Block/weeklyd3">block</a> | <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Weeklyd3" title="User talk:Weeklyd3">talk</a> | <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/weeklyd3" title="Special:Contributions/weeklyd3">contributions</a>) 00:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Weeklyd3-20220819003800-Jax_0677-20220819003600","replies":["c-Weeklyd3-20220821161300-Weeklyd3-20220819003800"],"timestamp":"20220819003800","author":"Weeklyd3"}"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It has been created now. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Weeklyd3" title="User:Weeklyd3">weeklyd3</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/weeklyd3" title="Special:Block/weeklyd3">block</a> | <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Weeklyd3" title="User talk:Weeklyd3">talk</a> | <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/weeklyd3" title="Special:Contributions/weeklyd3">contributions</a>) 16:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Weeklyd3-20220821161300-Weeklyd3-20220819003800","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821161300","author":"Weeklyd3"}"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement 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href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Request to remove maintenance template (COI)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Hi there! I recently made several edits to <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Jupyter" title="Project Jupyter">Project Jupyter</a> to reduce its reliance on primary sources. Now, most of the cited sources are secondary sources. I am a professional software developer and I work on Project Jupyter as a core part of my job, so I have a conflict of interest that (per <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WTRMT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WTRMT">WP:WTRMT</a>) I believe precludes me from removing the template myself. Can another editor please review whether <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Jupyter" title="Project Jupyter">Project Jupyter</a> still relies too much on primary sources, and if not, could you please remove the maintenance template? Thanks! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:White_720" title="User:White 720">White 720</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:White_720" title="User talk:White 720">talk</a>) 00:43, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-White_720-20220819004300-Request_to_remove_maintenance_template_(COI)","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220819004300","author":"White 720"}"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] I'll remove it, but I'll have to add another template. Please do not edit articles where you have a COI.<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sumanuil" title="User talk:Sumanuil"> Sumanuil.</a> 05:04, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sumanuil-20220820050400-Request_to_remove_maintenance_template_(COI)","replies":["c-White_720-20220820143600-Sumanuil-20220820050400"],"timestamp":"20220820050400","author":"Sumanuil"}"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks for your help. I’ll refrain from making further edits so that editors without a COI can make improvements. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:White_720" title="User:White 720">White 720</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:White_720" title="User talk:White 720">talk</a>) 14:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-White_720-20220820143600-Sumanuil-20220820050400","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820143600","author":"White 720"}"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="How_can_I_test_that_my_image_alt_text_additions_are_working_for_blind_users?" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-How_can_I_test_that_my_image_alt_text_additions_are_working_for_blind_users?-August_19-20220819012500","replies":["c-Mathglot-20220819012500-How_can_I_test_that_my_image_alt_text_additions_are_working_for_blind_users?"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mathglot-20220819012500"}">How can I test that my image alt text additions are working for blind users?[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: How can I test that my image alt text additions are working for blind users?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> In <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/1105169579" title="Special:Diff/1105169579">this edit</a> at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_monarchs" title="List of French monarchs">List of French monarchs</a> I added alt text to some images as recommended at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:ACCESS" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:ACCESS">MOS:ACCESS</a>. I don't see tooltip pop-ups, status bar changes, or any other indication that this alt text is working; maybe I need special blind-access software to see it? Is there a preferences gadget, or some other way that I can verify my alt text changes? Thanks, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) 01:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mathglot-20220819012500-How_can_I_test_that_my_image_alt_text_additions_are_working_for_blind_users?","replies":["c-Mathglot-20220819013300-Mathglot-20220819012500","c-Moxy-20220819013400-Mathglot-20220819012500","c-Arch_dude-20220819013700-Mathglot-20220819012500"],"timestamp":"20220819012500","author":"Mathglot"}"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hm; in poking around, it seems that most browsers (except IE) don't show alt text, but the html <var>title</var> attribute does. So, maybe I need to do a help script request, to create a script that copies alt value to <var>title</var>? <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) 01:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mathglot-20220819013300-Mathglot-20220819012500","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220819013300","author":"Mathglot"}"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/view/Altviewer">I use dispensers one</a>. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Moxy" title="User:Moxy">Moxy</a>-<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moxy" title="User talk:Moxy"><img alt="Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg" src="//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg/15px-Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg/23px-Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg.png 1.5x, //web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg/30px-Maple_Leaf_%28Pantone%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="650" data-file-height="650"/></a> 01:34, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Moxy-20220819013400-Mathglot-20220819012500","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220819013400","author":"Moxy"}"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a>: I don't know, but I suspect the folks that monitor <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MOS:ACCESS" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:MOS:ACCESS">talk:MOS:ACCESS</a> might be able to help. -<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arch_dude" title="User:Arch dude">Arch dude</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arch_dude" title="User talk:Arch dude">talk</a>) 01:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Arch_dude-20220819013700-Mathglot-20220819012500","replies":["c-Mathglot-20220819013900-Arch_dude-20220819013700","c-Mathglot-20220819014600-Arch_dude-20220819013700"],"timestamp":"20220819013700","author":"Arch dude"}"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Good point; I'll move this there... <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) 01:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mathglot-20220819013900-Arch_dude-20220819013700","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220819013900","author":"Mathglot"}"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>In the meantime, Moxy's solution works as well. I'll see what MOS users say as well. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) 01:46, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mathglot-20220819014600-Arch_dude-20220819013700","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220819014600","author":"Mathglot"}"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div role="note" style="margin-left: 1em;" class="resolved"><div style="display: inline-block; border: 1px solid #aaa; background-color: #f9fcf9; margin-right: 0.5em; padding: 0.3em 0.5em;"><img alt="" src="//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" srcset="//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 1.5x, //web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Moved to <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility#How_can_I_test_that_my_image_alt_text_additions_are_working_for_blind_users?" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility">WT:Manual of Style/Accessibility § How can I test that my image alt text additions are working for blind users?</a></div></div> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Statistics_about_categories" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Statistics_about_categories-August_19-20220819042500","replies":["c-Wakelamp-20220819042500-Statistics_about_categories"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wakelamp-20220819042500"}">Statistics about categories[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Statistics about categories">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Hi, I am guessing that nearly all categories are not used, and that they are not used on Stubs. Are there any statistics - Total number of categories - Number of new categories created each month - The distribution of usage OR how many aren't used accessed by readers? (How many user journeys include clicking on a category on an article? I thought of visits, but they would include crawlers/bots)? - The distribution of number of Categories per article? I asked a similar question on <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Categories#Statistics_on_Categories" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories">here</a> on the 13th, but didn't get a response. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wakelamp" title="User:Wakelamp">Wakelamp d[@-@]b</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wakelamp" title="User talk:Wakelamp">talk</a>) 04:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wakelamp-20220819042500-Statistics_about_categories","replies":["c-Cullen328-20220819055300-Wakelamp-20220819042500","c-Cullen328-20220819062700-Wakelamp-20220819042500"],"timestamp":"20220819042500","author":"Wakelamp"}"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wakelamp" title="User:Wakelamp">Wakelamp</a>. Empty categories are subject to deletion and this happens all the time. Please see <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Empty_categories_awaiting_deletion" title="Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion">Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion</a> for recent examples. Please see <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Statistics" title="Wikipedia:Statistics">Wikipedia:Statistics</a> and <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Categories">Wikipedia: Categories</a> for more information. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) 05:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cullen328-20220819055300-Wakelamp-20220819042500","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220819055300","author":"Cullen328"}"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@cullen328 Sorry, my post was not clear - I am not after empty categories, but ones that are not used. I have now looked at the three pages. Would I best to ask for a query? <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wakelamp" title="User:Wakelamp">Wakelamp d[@-@]b</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wakelamp" title="User talk:Wakelamp">talk</a>) <dl><dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wakelamp" title="User:Wakelamp">Wakelamp</a>, if a category is not empty, then by definition, it is being used in the articles that are contained in that category, and editors added it there by categorizing the articles. That's use. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) 06:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cullen328-20220819062700-Wakelamp-20220819042500","replies":["c-Wakelamp-20220819073300-Cullen328-20220819062700","c-Cullen328-20220819163900-Cullen328-20220819062700"],"timestamp":"20220819062700","author":"Cullen328"}"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>By not used, I mean not accessed by a reader. It's OK. I will request a query <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wakelamp" title="User:Wakelamp">Wakelamp d[@-@]b</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wakelamp" title="User talk:Wakelamp">talk</a>) 07:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wakelamp-20220819073300-Cullen328-20220819062700","replies":["c-AddWittyNameHere-20220819234800-Wakelamp-20220819073300"],"timestamp":"20220819073300","author":"Wakelamp"}"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Keep in mind that direct visits to the category page are not the only way in which categories can be used for navigation purposes, even by non-editor readers: they can also be used in advanced search queries, without ever visiting the category page itself. Thus, a lack of direct visits to a category page is not *necessarily* proof it is not being used by readers. (Additionally, many categories, even non-maintenance, mainspace-use categories, serve purposes in aiding editors with or without direct visits to the category page) <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AddWittyNameHere" title="User:AddWittyNameHere">AddWitty</a><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AddWittyNameHere" title="User talk:AddWittyNameHere">NameHere</a> 23:48, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AddWittyNameHere-20220819234800-Wakelamp-20220819073300","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220819234800","author":"AddWittyNameHere"}"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wakelamp" title="User:Wakelamp">Wakelamp</a>, to see how often a category page is viewed by readers, click "Page information " on the left toolbar, scroll to the bottom, and select "Page view statistics". <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) 16:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cullen328-20220819163900-Cullen328-20220819062700","replies":["c-PrimeHunter-20220820001400-Cullen328-20220819163900"],"timestamp":"20220819163900","author":"Cullen328"}"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>When you click "Page information", the first table already shows "Page views in the past 30 days". The main article of a category often has around 1000 times more views than the category page. It's 4400 times for <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Donald_Trump" title="Category:Donald Trump">Category:Donald Trump</a>. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) 00:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PrimeHunter-20220820001400-Cullen328-20220819163900","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820001400","author":"PrimeHunter"}"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Articles_for_Deletion" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Articles_for_Deletion-August_19-20220819110800","replies":["c-Nythar-20220819110800-Articles_for_Deletion"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Nythar-20220819110800"}">Articles for Deletion[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Articles for Deletion">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> We have hundreds of currently active deletion discussions, with some being relisted multiple times with few comments. It is a little surprising to me that with so many Wikipedia editors, there are so few of them at AfD. Is there a noticeboard where this can be discussed? Could <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">wp:AN</a> or <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)">Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)</a> work? <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nythar" title="User:Nythar">Nythar</a><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nythar" title="User talk:Nythar">T</a>.<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nythar" title="Special:Contributions/Nythar">C</a> 11:08, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nythar-20220819110800-Articles_for_Deletion","replies":["c-Enterprisey-20220819153600-Nythar-20220819110800","c-Wakelamp-20220823102100-Nythar-20220819110800"],"timestamp":"20220819110800","author":"Nythar"}"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>For the particular discussion about why AfD participation is low, I'd recommend either <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:AFD">WT:AFD</a> or <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VPM">WP:VPM</a> as you said; note that the crowd you'll attract (and thus the resulting discussion) will be quite different depending on the page you start it on. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Enterprisey" title="User:Enterprisey">Enterprisey</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Enterprisey" title="User talk:Enterprisey">talk!</a>) 15:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Enterprisey-20220819153600-Nythar-20220819110800","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220819153600","author":"Enterprisey"}"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I quite like how Wikihow does it</dd> <dd><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://www.wikihow.com/Special:CommunityDashboard" class="extiw" title="wikihow:Special:CommunityDashboard">Dashboard</a></dd> <dd><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://www.wikihow.com/Special:RCPatrol" class="extiw" title="wikihow:Special:RCPatrol">recent changes</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wakelamp" title="User:Wakelamp">Wakelamp d[@-@]b</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wakelamp" title="User talk:Wakelamp">talk</a>) 10:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wakelamp-20220823102100-Nythar-20220819110800","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823102100","author":"Wakelamp"}"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Creating_multiple_accounts_using_the_same_IP_address" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Creating_multiple_accounts_using_the_same_IP_address-August_19-20220819164000","replies":["c-Kariscatherine-20220819164000-Creating_multiple_accounts_using_the_same_IP_address"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kariscatherine-20220819164000"}">Creating multiple accounts using the same IP address[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Creating multiple accounts using the same IP address">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> My colleague and I are preparing for a Wikipedia edit-a-thon for students at a university to take place on October 6, 2022. Last year, we ran into the issue of the limited number of accounts that can be created in one day under the same IP address. Can we request that this number be increased to the maximum number allowed on the day of our workshop? A more specific number, if needed, would be 50 at the maximum. Thank you! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kariscatherine&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kariscatherine (page does not exist)">Kariscatherine</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kariscatherine" title="User talk:Kariscatherine">talk</a>) 16:40, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kariscatherine-20220819164000-Creating_multiple_accounts_using_the_same_IP_address","replies":["c-Beeblebrox-20220819173100-Kariscatherine-20220819164000"],"timestamp":"20220819164000","author":"Kariscatherine"}"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The way around this is to have someone with the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Account_creator" title="Wikipedia:Account creator">account creator user right</a> assist you. I'm not sure where you'd ask for that though. Perhaps <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">the admin noticeboard</a>, as admins have it by default. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" title="User:Beeblebrox">Beeblebrox</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Beeblebrox" title="User talk:Beeblebrox">talk</a>) 17:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Beeblebrox-20220819173100-Kariscatherine-20220819164000","replies":["c-Pppery-20220819173600-Beeblebrox-20220819173100"],"timestamp":"20220819173100","author":"Beeblebrox"}"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Other approaches that may be better, filing a task on Phabricator per <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_account_creation#Requesting_temporary_lift_of_IP_cap" class="extiw" title="m:Mass account creation">m:Mass account creation#Requesting temporary lift of IP cap</a>, any admin granting the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:EVC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EVC">event coordinator</a> right to Kariscatherine. (requestible at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM/EVC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM/EVC">WP:PERM/EVC</a>) <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> 17:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pppery-20220819173600-Beeblebrox-20220819173100","replies":["c-Beeblebrox-20220819174100-Pppery-20220819173600"],"timestamp":"20220819173600","author":"Pppery"}"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yeah, I just realized that the even coordinator group is exactly what it is needed here and was coming back to amend my comments. I forgot all about it for a minute. I must need coffee, luckily I just made some. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" title="User:Beeblebrox">Beeblebrox</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Beeblebrox" title="User talk:Beeblebrox">talk</a>) 17:41, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Beeblebrox-20220819174100-Pppery-20220819173600","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220819174100","author":"Beeblebrox"}"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Rollback_all" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Rollback_all-August_19-20220819165300","replies":["c-Bbb23-20220819165300-Rollback_all"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Bbb23-20220819165300"}">Rollback all[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Rollback all">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> I believe somewhere I have a script that creates a drop-down on a user contributions page and then I can click on Rollback all, reverting all the edits made by the user. I usually use this with sock edits. A little bit ago, the drop-down now has duplicate entries for rollback all and two new dupes for rollback selected. When I click on rollback all, it asks me for an edit summary (normal), but then asks me for yet another edit summary. I'm not sure who is responsible for the script, but I figured someone here either knows or could figure it out for me. Thanks.--<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bbb23" title="User talk:Bbb23">talk</a>) 16:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bbb23-20220819165300-Rollback_all","replies":["c-PrimeHunter-20220819172700-Bbb23-20220819165300"],"timestamp":"20220819165300","author":"Bbb23"}"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a>: If your skin is Vector then you import <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Writ_Keeper/Scripts/massRollback.js" title="User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRollback.js">User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRollback.js</a> in both <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bbb23/common.js" title="User:Bbb23/common.js">User:Bbb23/common.js</a> (runs in all skins) and <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bbb23/vector.js" title="User:Bbb23/vector.js">User:Bbb23/vector.js</a> (runs in Vector). Only import a script once. They haven't been edited recently but there may be a recent MediaWiki change which changes what can happen if a script is loaded more than once. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) 17:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PrimeHunter-20220819172700-Bbb23-20220819165300","replies":["c-Pppery-20220819173300-PrimeHunter-20220819172700"],"timestamp":"20220819172700","author":"PrimeHunter"}"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Indeed, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/820828" class="extiw" title="gerrit:820828">gerrit:820828</a> (by <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Krinkle" title="User:Krinkle">Krinkle</a>) changed the behavior of importScript to no longer deduplicate loaded scripts, which is responsible for this issue as well as <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#dashes_script_malfunction" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)">Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#dashes script malfunction</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> 17:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pppery-20220819173300-PrimeHunter-20220819172700","replies":["c-Bbb23-20220819175100-Pppery-20220819173300"],"timestamp":"20220819173300","author":"Pppery"}"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I assume then I should remove one; which?--<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bbb23" title="User talk:Bbb23">talk</a>) 17:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Bbb23-20220819175100-Pppery-20220819173300","replies":["c-PrimeHunter-20220819192000-Bbb23-20220819175100"],"timestamp":"20220819175100","author":"Bbb23"}"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a>: You can remove either one. I generally suggest to load scripts in common.js so they still run if you change skin. A few scripts are for a specific skin but not this one. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) 19:20, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-PrimeHunter-20220819192000-Bbb23-20220819175100","replies":["c-Bbb23-20220819204100-PrimeHunter-20220819192000"],"timestamp":"20220819192000","author":"PrimeHunter"}"><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a>: I very much doubt I'll ever change skins, but I suppose it beats tossing a coin. I've deleted the script, and the duplicate entries are gone. Thanks!--<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bbb23" title="User talk:Bbb23">talk</a>) 20:41, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Bbb23-20220819204100-PrimeHunter-20220819192000","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220819204100","author":"Bbb23"}"><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="anon_question" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-anon_question-August_19-20220819165600","replies":["c-2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6-20220819165600-anon_question"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6-20220819165600"}">anon question[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: anon question">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> hello i am Rita Lara and I just found out that I have Indian in me and I would like to were i can register and hoe to register my grandmother was either Mayan that i can remember her talking about can you help me <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6" title="Special:Contributions/2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6">2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 16:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6-20220819165600-anon_question","replies":["c-RudolfRed-20220819170200-2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6-20220819165600"],"timestamp":"20220819165600","author":"2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6"}"><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This help desk is for getting help with editing Wikipedia. We can't help with your question. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RudolfRed" title="User:RudolfRed">RudolfRed</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RudolfRed" title="User talk:RudolfRed">talk</a>) 17:02, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RudolfRed-20220819170200-2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6-20220819165600","replies":["c-Cullen328-20220819190800-RudolfRed-20220819170200"],"timestamp":"20220819170200","author":"RudolfRed"}"><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, Rita Lara. Try the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities" title="Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities">Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities</a>. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) 19:08, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cullen328-20220819190800-RudolfRed-20220819170200","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220819190800","author":"Cullen328"}"><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="General_Karl_von_Graffen_(English)" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-General_Karl_von_Graffen_(English)-August_19-20220819180900","replies":["c-GearDown-20220819180900-General_Karl_von_Graffen_(English)"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-GearDown-20220819180900"}">General Karl von Graffen (English)[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: General Karl von Graffen (English)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> I have a translation of the Bio page for General Von Graffen that was translated from the German wikipedia page. I would like to update the English page but I've never created a "new" page to this extent. Q1: Can I just put in the Text without the Links to other people, places and events? Maybe I can link to the German wiki page for the links. Q2: Can I create a page and save as a Temporary page until someone can review my Formatting? Here is the German wikipedia page: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Graffen <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GearDown" title="User:GearDown">GearDown</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GearDown" title="User talk:GearDown">talk</a>) 18:09, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GearDown-20220819180900-General_Karl_von_Graffen_(English)","replies":["c-ColinFine-20220819185900-GearDown-20220819180900"],"timestamp":"20220819180900","author":"GearDown"}"><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, GearDown. In answer to Q1: Creating an article in en-wiki that is from a translation is almost exactly the same as creating any other article in en-wiki. You still need to cite sufficient reliable sources to establish that the subject is <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a>. You don't get any short cuts just because the article exists elsewhere. The only differences are that you are choosing to take some of your text from an existing Wikipedia, and therefore you must attribute the source - see <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation" title="Wikipedia:Translation">WP:Translation</a>.</dd> <dd>The answer to Q2 is to create a draft: see <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> and <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">articles for creation</a>. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) 18:59, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-20220819185900-GearDown-20220819180900","replies":["c-Cullen328-20220819190600-ColinFine-20220819185900"],"timestamp":"20220819185900","author":"ColinFine"}"><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GearDown" title="User:GearDown">GearDown</a>. English Wikipedia already has an article <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Graffen" title="Karl von Graffen">Karl von Graffen</a> so your task is to expand the existing article rather than to create a new article. That is an important distinction. As ColinFine points out, you need to properly attribute anything you translate from the German Wikipedia article, which is much more detailed. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) 19:06, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cullen328-20220819190600-ColinFine-20220819185900","replies":["c-GearDown-20220819194900-Cullen328-20220819190600"],"timestamp":"20220819190600","author":"Cullen328"}"><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Cullen328. Yes. I have already revised the English article to add a reference book just published by his granddaughter. I could revise the English version but I'm not sure how to create all the sub-headers (Life) and add to the existing Awards, as many of those have German names. I would also have to add links to every one of the German names for the awards and then add the German reference sources. Alas, I'm not well trained to do this editing. My expertise is limited to revising a Paragraph or maybe adding a photo. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GearDown" title="User:GearDown">GearDown</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GearDown" title="User talk:GearDown">talk</a>) 19:49, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-GearDown-20220819194900-Cullen328-20220819190600","replies":["c-ColinFine-20220820170900-GearDown-20220819194900","c-71.228.112.175-20220821093800-GearDown-20220819194900"],"timestamp":"20220819194900","author":"GearDown"}"><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have some concerns about the independence of his granddaughter's book as a source, GearDown, particularly in the light of this review: "Reading one of his letters home from 1941, she finds him “a macho bully, the kind of self-justifying army officer I would have vociferously challenged had he been alive”. Yet she remains desperate to “cast him as a ‘good soldier’ who obeyed orders out of a sense of duty rather than conviction”. (<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1067248974">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-free a{background:linear-gradient(transparent,transparent),url("//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-registration a{background:linear-gradient(transparent,transparent),url("//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-subscription a{background:linear-gradient(transparent,transparent),url("//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:linear-gradient(transparent,transparent),url("//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:#d33}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:#d33}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#3a3;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}</style><cite id="CITEREFReisz2022" class="citation news cs1">Reisz, Matthew (19 July 2022). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jul/19/in-my-grandfathers-shadow-by-angela-findlay-review-a-story-of-war-trauma-and-the-legacy-of-silence">"In My Grandfather's Shadow by Angela Findlay review – in search of the 'macho bully' she never knew"</a>. The Observer.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.atitle=In+My+Grandfather%E2%80%99s+Shadow+by+Angela+Findlay+review+%E2%80%93+in+search+of+the+%E2%80%98macho+bully%E2%80%99+she+never+knew&rft.date=2022-07-19&rft.aulast=Reisz&rft.aufirst=Matthew&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fbooks%2F2022%2Fjul%2F19%2Fin-my-grandfathers-shadow-by-angela-findlay-review-a-story-of-war-trauma-and-the-legacy-of-silence&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AHelp+desk" class="Z3988">). <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) 17:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ColinFine-20220820170900-GearDown-20220819194900","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820170900","author":"ColinFine"}"><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GearDown" title="User:GearDown">GearDown</a> If you don't feel comfortable doing this editing, my advice is not to do it; that is, find an easier part of Wikipedua to edit. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.228.112.175" title="Special:Contributions/71.228.112.175">71.228.112.175</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:71.228.112.175" title="User talk:71.228.112.175">talk</a>) 09:38, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-71.228.112.175-20220821093800-GearDown-20220819194900","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821093800","author":"71.228.112.175"}"><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad-August_19-20220819212400","replies":["c-Malikbahi1-20220819212400-https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Malikbahi1-20220819212400"}"><a class="external free" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad</a>[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza Masroor Ahmad">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> HI, Remove this wrong information, he is not the Caliph or anyone from any nation. He is a Non Muslim spreading wrong information to the world. Please remove all his posts immediately. Thank you <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Malikbahi1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Malikbahi1 (page does not exist)">Malikbahi1</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Malikbahi1" title="User talk:Malikbahi1">talk</a>) 21:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malikbahi1-20220819212400-https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad","replies":["c-J\u00e9sk\u00e9_Couriano-20220819212800-Malikbahi1-20220819212400","c-71.228.112.175-20220821094000-Malikbahi1-20220819212400"],"timestamp":"20220819212400","author":"Malikbahi1"}"><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CALIPH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CALIPH">YELL AT GOOGLE AND STOP SEARCHING THAT TERM.</a> The more people like you search that term, the more established this becomes. —<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano">Jéské Couriano</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano">v^_^v</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano">a little blue Bori</a> 21:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-J\u00e9sk\u00e9_Couriano-20220819212800-Malikbahi1-20220819212400","replies":["c-ColinFine-20220819223300-J\u00e9sk\u00e9_Couriano-20220819212800"],"timestamp":"20220819212800","author":"J\u00e9sk\u00e9 Couriano"}"><span id="ooui-php-43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>In case it is not obvious, Malikbahl1, Jeske's reply contains a link (the blue bit) to a discussion in Wikipedia about how THIS IS NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH WIKIPEDIA, but is Google's problem. (Both Jeske and I are annoyed that somebody has been stirring up people to come and complain to Wikipedia about something WHICH IS GOOGLE's PROBLEM not Wikipedia's. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) 22:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ColinFine-20220819223300-J\u00e9sk\u00e9_Couriano-20220819212800","replies":["c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20220820152100-ColinFine-20220819223300"],"timestamp":"20220819223300","author":"ColinFine"}"><span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>NO NEED FOR ALL THE <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SHOUT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SHOUT">SHOUT</a>ING! — <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PerfectSoundWhatever" title="User:PerfectSoundWhatever">PerfectSoundWhatever</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PerfectSoundWhatever" title="User talk:PerfectSoundWhatever">t</a>; <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever" title="Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever">c</a>) 15:21, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PerfectSoundWhatever-20220820152100-ColinFine-20220819223300","replies":["c-Lettherebedarklight-20220821080900-PerfectSoundWhatever-20220820152100"],"timestamp":"20220820152100","author":"PerfectSoundWhatever"}"><span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'M NOT SHOUTING, YOU ARE! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lettherebedarklight" title="User:Lettherebedarklight">lettherebedarklight</a>, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lettherebedarklight" title="User talk:Lettherebedarklight">晚安</a>, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lettherebedarklight" title="Special:Contributions/Lettherebedarklight">おやすみなさい</a>, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ping" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ping">ping me when replying</a> 08:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Lettherebedarklight-20220821080900-PerfectSoundWhatever-20220820152100","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821080900","author":"Lettherebedarklight"}"><span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Malikbahi1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Malikbahi1 (page does not exist)">Malikbahi1</a> He doesn't have any "posts" here to remove. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.228.112.175" title="Special:Contributions/71.228.112.175">71.228.112.175</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:71.228.112.175" title="User talk:71.228.112.175">talk</a>) 09:40, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-71.228.112.175-20220821094000-Malikbahi1-20220819212400","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821094000","author":"71.228.112.175"}"><span id="ooui-php-47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h1><span class="mw-headline" id="August_20" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-August_20","replies":["h-Image_selection-August_20-20220820081100","h-Template_Data_Cite_map-August_20-20220820152200","h-Reference_List-August_20-20220820154200","h-Wikipedia_pages_on_iPhone-August_20-20220820165700","h-Question-August_20-20220820170300","h-Sir_John_Brereton1576-1629_(Irish_Lawyer)-August_20-20220820171000"],"headingLevel":1,"name":"h-"}">August 20[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: August 20">edit</a>]</h1> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Image_selection" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Image_selection-August_20-20220820081100","replies":["c-Ykraps-20220820081100-Image_selection","c-Ykraps-20220821074100-Image_selection","c-Mathglot-20220822082400-Image_selection"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ykraps-20220820081100"}">Image selection[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Image selection">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> How do I display a previous version of an image from <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons" title="Wikimedia Commons">Wikimedia Commons</a>? I made a request at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Photography_workshop" title="Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop">Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop</a> to have a border removed from an image I wanted to use in <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Aigle_(1801)" title="HMS Aigle (1801)">HMS Aigle (1801)</a>.[<a class="external autonumber" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Photography_workshop#Border_removal">[1]</a>] The day after this was resolved, another user uploaded another version with a border and now I can't get the cropped version to display in the article. Thanks --<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ykraps" title="User:Ykraps">Ykraps</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ykraps" title="User talk:Ykraps">talk</a>) 08:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ykraps-20220820081100-Image_selection","replies":["c-ColinFine-20220820083600-Ykraps-20220820081100"],"timestamp":"20220820081100","author":"Ykraps"}"><span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't believe that there's a way to do this, Ykraps. If both versions are to be used, they need to be separate files on Commons. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) 08:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-20220820083600-Ykraps-20220820081100","replies":["c-Justlettersandnumbers-20220820200900-ColinFine-20220820083600"],"timestamp":"20220820083600","author":"ColinFine"}"><span id="ooui-php-49" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ykraps" title="User:Ykraps">Ykraps</a>: You can accomplish this by downloading the version you want to your own computer, and then uploading it under a different name to Commons. On the description page of the new file, describe where it cam from (i.e., the old file, cropped), then use your new file. <dl><dd>Ykraps, if the file is on Commons you can use CropTool (in the left-hand side-bar) to remove the border. Check the radio button for "upload as new file", then use your new image in the article. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User:Justlettersandnumbers">Justlettersandnumbers</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User talk:Justlettersandnumbers">talk</a>) 20:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Justlettersandnumbers-20220820200900-ColinFine-20220820083600","replies":["c-Justlettersandnumbers-20220820201200-Justlettersandnumbers-20220820200900"],"timestamp":"20220820200900","author":"Justlettersandnumbers"}"><span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ping fail: <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ykraps" title="User:Ykraps">Ykraps</a>. I've now looked at the image. The new upload is of much better quality, but needs straightening. I'll see if I can do that in the next hour or so. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User:Justlettersandnumbers">Justlettersandnumbers</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User talk:Justlettersandnumbers">talk</a>) 20:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Justlettersandnumbers-20220820201200-Justlettersandnumbers-20220820200900","replies":["c-Justlettersandnumbers-20220820203900-Justlettersandnumbers-20220820201200"],"timestamp":"20220820201200","author":"Justlettersandnumbers"}"><span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ykraps" title="User:Ykraps">Ykraps</a>, please see <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Squadron_under_the_command_of_Sir_J_Brisbane_attacking_Fort_Maurigio_1814_(border_removed).jpg" title="File:Squadron under the command of Sir J Brisbane attacking Fort Maurigio 1814 (border removed).jpg">this</a>. Is that OK? <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User:Justlettersandnumbers">Justlettersandnumbers</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User talk:Justlettersandnumbers">talk</a>) 20:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Justlettersandnumbers-20220820203900-Justlettersandnumbers-20220820201200","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820203900","author":"Justlettersandnumbers"}"><span id="ooui-php-52" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> Okay, so the answer is to create another file or crop the new image, thanks. @<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User:Justlettersandnumbers">Justlettersandnumbers</a>: That's great. Thank you for doing that.--<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ykraps" title="User:Ykraps">Ykraps</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ykraps" title="User talk:Ykraps">talk</a>) 07:41, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ykraps-20220821074100-Image_selection","replies":["c-Mathglot-20220822042300-Ykraps-20220821074100"],"timestamp":"20220821074100","author":"Ykraps"}"><span id="ooui-php-53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ykraps" title="User:Ykraps">Ykraps</a>, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a>, and <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User:Justlettersandnumbers">Justlettersandnumbers</a>: in fact, there is a way to do this without any image manipulation or fiddling in Commons; it's via a template that can select any portion of an image and display it. That's the good news. The bad news is that the template has an excruciatingly painful interface, and actually learning a new crop tool on Commons and building a cropped image with it, <s>may be</s> surely must be easier than figuring out how to use the $#*@**&@ template. However, that could be fixed, in time, by creating a wrapper for it with a decent interface, in which case you'd have crop & zoom at your fingertips, and border-cropped images in seconds. I've long had it on my list of things to do to create such a wrapper, and when my to-do list gets below 999, or the shouting becomes loud enough, I'll probably do it. (If you noticed that I haven't linked the template, it's only because I'm concerned for your sanity.) If you do a lot of these border-snipping, or other crop operations, come to my talk page and start yelling. Cheers, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) 04:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mathglot-20220822042300-Ykraps-20220821074100","replies":["c-Pppery-20220822042500-Mathglot-20220822042300","c-Ykraps-20220822053600-Mathglot-20220822042300"],"timestamp":"20220822042300","author":"Mathglot"}"><span id="ooui-php-54" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Risk_disclaimer" title="Wikipedia:Risk disclaimer">All Wikipedia editing is at one's own risk anyway</a>, so I'll be bold. It's {{<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:CSS_image_crop" title="Template:CSS image crop">CSS image crop</a>}}. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> 04:25, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pppery-20220822042500-Mathglot-20220822042300","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822042500","author":"Pppery"}"><span id="ooui-php-55" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I struggle to get my head around some of the simpler templates so I'll probably leave that well alone but thanks anyway.--<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ykraps" title="User:Ykraps">Ykraps</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ykraps" title="User talk:Ykraps">talk</a>) 05:36, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ykraps-20220822053600-Mathglot-20220822042300","replies":["c-Justlettersandnumbers-20220822080000-Ykraps-20220822053600"],"timestamp":"20220822053600","author":"Ykraps"}"><span id="ooui-php-56" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a>, if you're short of stuff to work on, how about creating (a) a straightening tool and (b) a basic brightness/contrast/exposure tool on Commons, as simple and easy to learn as CropTool? Or just add these capabilities to that tool ... ? It's a PITA to have to download/edit/re-upload a file just to rotate it 0.5° counter-clockwise, for example. Regards, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User:Justlettersandnumbers">Justlettersandnumbers</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User talk:Justlettersandnumbers">talk</a>) 08:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Justlettersandnumbers-20220822080000-Ykraps-20220822053600","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822080000","author":"Justlettersandnumbers"}"><span id="ooui-php-57" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="floatright"><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_Lake_(Clackamas_County,_Oregon)" title="Mirror Lake (Clackamas County, Oregon)"><img alt="Mount Hood reflected in Mirror Lake, Oregon.jpg" src="//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Mount_Hood_reflected_in_Mirror_Lake%2C_Oregon.jpg/115px-Mount_Hood_reflected_in_Mirror_Lake%2C_Oregon.jpg" decoding="async" width="115" height="91" srcset="//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Mount_Hood_reflected_in_Mirror_Lake%2C_Oregon.jpg/173px-Mount_Hood_reflected_in_Mirror_Lake%2C_Oregon.jpg 1.5x, //web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Mount_Hood_reflected_in_Mirror_Lake%2C_Oregon.jpg/230px-Mount_Hood_reflected_in_Mirror_Lake%2C_Oregon.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2048" data-file-height="1626"/></a></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Lol, I'll add that to the list. I've got the straightening tool almost ready for you; the only problem is, it makes the choppy seas in the HMS Aigle image look like the surface of Mirror Lake, so I think I overtuned the straightening factor. Let me try again, and get back to you... <abbr title="Winking face" style="border-bottom: none;"><img alt="Face-wink.svg" src="//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/18px-Face-wink.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" srcset="//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/27px-Face-wink.svg.png 1.5x, //web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/36px-Face-wink.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></abbr> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) 08:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mathglot-20220822082400-Image_selection","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822082400","author":"Mathglot"}"><span id="ooui-php-58" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Template_Data_Cite_map" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Template_Data_Cite_map-August_20-20220820152200","replies":["c-BMACS1002-20220820152200-Template_Data_Cite_map"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-BMACS1002-20220820152200"}">Template Data Cite map[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Template Data Cite map">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> On the page <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_map/TemplateData" title="Template:Cite map/TemplateData">Template:Cite map/TemplateData</a> there's an error that just says "can't find TemplateData"... can anyone find what's the error supposed to be? Thanks! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BMACS1002" title="User:BMACS1002">BMACS1002</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BMACS1002" title="User talk:BMACS1002">talk</a>) 15:22, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BMACS1002-20220820152200-Template_Data_Cite_map","replies":["c-ColinFine-20220820162000-BMACS1002-20220820152200"],"timestamp":"20220820152200","author":"BMACS1002"}"><span id="ooui-php-59" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't see that error, BMACS1002. But in any case, a template page itself often gives odd results because when you are looking at it, it has no arguments to interpret. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) 16:20, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-20220820162000-BMACS1002-20220820152200","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820162000","author":"ColinFine"}"><span id="ooui-php-60" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Reference_List" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Reference_List-August_20-20220820154200","replies":["c-Annwfwn-20220820154200-Reference_List"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Annwfwn-20220820154200"}">Reference List[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Reference List">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> How do I get the beautiful two column reference list I see on other pages? The page I'm trying to fix is <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phu_Quoc_Ridgeback" title="Phu Quoc Ridgeback">Phu Quoc Ridgeback</a>. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Annwfwn" title="User:Annwfwn">Annwfwn</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Annwfwn" title="User talk:Annwfwn">talk</a>) <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Annwfwn" title="User:Annwfwn">Annwfwn</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Annwfwn" title="User talk:Annwfwn">talk</a>) 15:42, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Annwfwn-20220820154200-Reference_List","replies":["c-Annwfwn-20220820160000-Annwfwn-20220820154200"],"timestamp":"20220820154200","author":"Annwfwn"}"><span id="ooui-php-61" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Nevermind I think I figured it out! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Annwfwn" title="User:Annwfwn">Annwfwn</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Annwfwn" title="User talk:Annwfwn">talk</a>) 16:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Annwfwn-20220820160000-Annwfwn-20220820154200","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820160000","author":"Annwfwn"}"><span id="ooui-php-62" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Wikipedia_pages_on_iPhone" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wikipedia_pages_on_iPhone-August_20-20220820165700","replies":["c-Jimlonborg-20220820165700-Wikipedia_pages_on_iPhone"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jimlonborg-20220820165700"}">Wikipedia pages on iPhone[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Wikipedia pages on iPhone">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Many Wikipedia pages on my iPhone now display the introductory paragraphs of the entry, but below that just shows the article subheadings in bold black script - but there is no text below the subheading, and no hyperlink <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jimlonborg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jimlonborg (page does not exist)">Jimlonborg</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimlonborg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Jimlonborg (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 16:57, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jimlonborg-20220820165700-Wikipedia_pages_on_iPhone","replies":["c-Cullen328-20220820180800-Jimlonborg-20220820165700"],"timestamp":"20220820165700","author":"Jimlonborg"}"><span id="ooui-php-63" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jimlonborg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jimlonborg (page does not exist)">Jimlonborg</a>. I am an Android user not an iPhone user, but I suggest that you scroll to the very bottom of the page and select the "Desktop" option, which should display the entire article properly. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) 18:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cullen328-20220820180800-Jimlonborg-20220820165700","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820180800","author":"Cullen328"}"><span id="ooui-php-64" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Question" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Question-August_20-20220820170300","replies":["c-41.114.216.142-20220820170300-Question"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-41.114.216.142-20220820170300"}">Question[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Question">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> What is the meaning of organisation — Preceding <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/41.114.216.142" title="Special:Contributions/41.114.216.142">41.114.216.142</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:41.114.216.142&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:41.114.216.142 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 17:03, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-41.114.216.142-20220820170300-Question","replies":["c-Cullen328-20220820181000-41.114.216.142-20220820170300"],"timestamp":"20220820170300","author":"41.114.216.142"}"><span id="ooui-php-65" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Read <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization" title="Organization">Organization</a>. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) 18:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cullen328-20220820181000-41.114.216.142-20220820170300","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820181000","author":"Cullen328"}"><span id="ooui-php-66" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Sir_John_Brereton1576-1629_(Irish_Lawyer)" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Sir_John_Brereton1576-1629_(Irish_Lawyer)-August_20-20220820171000","replies":["c-Sir_Bramston-20220820171000-Sir_John_Brereton1576-1629_(Irish_Lawyer)","h-But_I_mean_on_the_merits...-Sir_John_Brereton1576-1629_(Irish_Lawyer)-20220820235400"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Sir_Bramston-20220820171000"}">Sir John Brereton1576-1629 (Irish Lawyer)[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Sir John Brereton1576-1629 (Irish Lawyer)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> I want help in removing a photo of my 10X great-grandfather (Sir John Bramston) from this Page. It is clearly described as another husband of Elizabeth Brabazon, but has been picked up on Images, other similar sites, and many Family Trees as Sir John Brereton. Having difficulty in having it removed from a member's Find A Grave Memorial, even after having sent much proof. Can you have this photo removed from Brereton's Wikipedia page? Thank-you, Ken Duncan, Vancouver, BC <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Bramston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Bramston (page does not exist)">Sir Bramston</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sir_Bramston" title="User talk:Sir Bramston">talk</a>) 17:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sir_Bramston-20220820171000-Sir_John_Brereton1576-1629_(Irish_Lawyer)","replies":["c-Arch_dude-20220820175500-Sir_Bramston-20220820171000"],"timestamp":"20220820171000","author":"Sir Bramston"}"><span id="ooui-php-67" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Bramston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Bramston (page does not exist)">Sir Bramston</a>: the picture is clearly named and is clearly described in <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brereton_(Irish_lawyer)" title="John Brereton (Irish lawyer)">John Brereton (Irish lawyer)</a> as being a picture of Bramston, not Brereton. Its inclusion in the article is a matter of editorial judgement and in the opinion of an editor (with which I concur) it adds to the article. Wikipedia is not responsible for the misuse of this information by others and we cannot let it affect our editorial judgement. If either party were a living person this would be different, but that is not the case. -<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arch_dude" title="User:Arch dude">Arch dude</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arch_dude" title="User talk:Arch dude">talk</a>) 17:55, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Arch_dude-20220820175500-Sir_Bramston-20220820171000","replies":["c-Sir_Bramston-20220820181900-Arch_dude-20220820175500","c-Sir_Bramston-20220820183100-Arch_dude-20220820175500","c-Arch_dude-20220820183900-Arch_dude-20220820175500","c-Orangemike-20220820192800-Arch_dude-20220820175500","c-CodeTalker-20220820193600-Arch_dude-20220820175500"],"timestamp":"20220820175500","author":"Arch dude"}"><span id="ooui-php-68" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I believe that your Board should not be party to the misuse of my 10X great-grandfather's image. He has no connection to Brereton other than having been married to the same woman.</dd> <dd>He now appears as Brereton on Wiki Tree ?, on Images and then, due to the careless research of others, on many Family Trees.</dd> <dd>As it turns out, even the FAG John Brereton is the wrong John Brereton, a distant relative!</dd> <dd>Bramston adds nothing to Brereton's Wikipedia, he is not a relative. Would you want your photo added as well?</dd> <dd>For the sake of clarity, please remove the Chief Justice's portrait.</dd> <dd>Ken Duncan <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Bramston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Bramston (page does not exist)">Sir Bramston</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sir_Bramston" title="User talk:Sir Bramston">talk</a>) 18:19, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sir_Bramston-20220820181900-Arch_dude-20220820175500","replies":["c-Cullen328-20220820182800-Sir_Bramston-20220820181900"],"timestamp":"20220820181900","author":"Sir Bramston"}"><span id="ooui-php-69" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Wikipedia is not responsible for careless research and errors by others. If you mean the board of the Wikimedia Foundation, they are not involved in any way, shape or form with the content of individual articles. This is a volunteer project. How can Wikipedia be misusing your ancestor's image when there is no image of him on Wikipedia? That's not logical. If you have access to an image of the man, that could certainly be added to beginning of the article. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) 18:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cullen328-20220820182800-Sir_Bramston-20220820181900","replies":["c-Sir_Bramston-20220820184900-Cullen328-20220820182800"],"timestamp":"20220820182800","author":"Cullen328"}"><span id="ooui-php-70" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Again, my ancestor IS Sir John Bramston, Lord Chief Justice of the King's Bench. His portrait DOES appear on the Wikipedia page for Sir John Brereton. Their only connection is having both been married to Elizabeth Brabazon of Ardee.</dd> <dd>Your confusion only adds to my contention that mistakes in comprehending a source are easy to make.</dd> <dd>A large amount of info, including several portraits, are available online about my direct ancestor, Sir John Bramston.</dd> <dd>Can find no portraits of either John Brereton.</dd> <dd>Ken Duncan <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Bramston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Bramston (page does not exist)">Sir Bramston</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sir_Bramston" title="User talk:Sir Bramston">talk</a>) 18:49, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sir_Bramston-20220820184900-Cullen328-20220820182800","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820184900","author":"Sir Bramston"}"><span id="ooui-php-71" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Further- If you (Wikipedia) are responsible for Wiki Wand, the portrait of Bramston again appears as Brereton. With NO labelling as to the man's identity.</dd> <dd>Please remove or correct.</dd> <dd>Ken Duncan <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Bramston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Bramston (page does not exist)">Sir Bramston</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sir_Bramston" title="User talk:Sir Bramston">talk</a>) 18:31, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sir_Bramston-20220820183100-Arch_dude-20220820175500","replies":["c-Arch_dude-20220820184500-Sir_Bramston-20220820183100"],"timestamp":"20220820183100","author":"Sir Bramston"}"><span id="ooui-php-72" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Bramston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Bramston (page does not exist)">Sir Bramston</a>: the filename contains Bramston's name. The image in the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brereton_(Irish_lawyer)" title="John Brereton (Irish lawyer)">John Brereton (Irish lawyer)</a> article contains Bramston's name. The image description file contains Bramston's name. That is just about as well labelled as we can get. Instead of asking us to fix this, please spend your time asking the folks that are abusing our material in the first place. -<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arch_dude" title="User:Arch dude">Arch dude</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arch_dude" title="User talk:Arch dude">talk</a>) 18:45, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Arch_dude-20220820184500-Sir_Bramston-20220820183100","replies":["c-Sir_Bramston-20220820185800-Arch_dude-20220820184500"],"timestamp":"20220820184500","author":"Arch dude"}"><span id="ooui-php-73" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This request comes after months of contacting the FAG manager (she cannot remove posts made by others), contacting FAG who said they would investigate (nothing was done).</dd> <dd>I finally received a response from the photo poster, he asked for proof, which was sent. Turns out he had posted it on the wrong John Brereton. Have posted some proof on this FAG Memorial.</dd> <dd>He believes that Wikipedia must be correct, doesn't seem to see the labelling on Bramston.</dd> <dd>I AM tempted to correct many Family Trees.</dd> <dd>So don't assume that I have only contacted you for a solution.</dd> <dd>Ken Duncan <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Bramston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Bramston (page does not exist)">Sir Bramston</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sir_Bramston" title="User talk:Sir Bramston">talk</a>) 18:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sir_Bramston-20220820185800-Arch_dude-20220820184500","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820185800","author":"Sir Bramston"}"><span id="ooui-php-74" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Bramston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Bramston (page does not exist)">Sir Bramston</a>: Wikipedia is not a party to the misuse of others of our site. We have no policy under which it makes sense to remove they picture of your relative from our article on another person. The only "policy" or guideline that might apply is <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a>, and that would require that the editors of <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brereton_(Irish_lawyer)" title="John Brereton (Irish lawyer)">John Brereton (Irish lawyer)</a> reach a consensus in favor of removal. I just do not see this happening. We very frequently are accused of enabling abusers of our information. We cannot use that affect our collective editorial judgement. -<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arch_dude" title="User:Arch dude">Arch dude</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arch_dude" title="User talk:Arch dude">talk</a>) 18:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Arch_dude-20220820183900-Arch_dude-20220820175500","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820183900","author":"Arch dude"}"><span id="ooui-php-75" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>If in fact the person depicted in the article is not the person who married Brereton's widow, then post to the talk page of the article with some sources, because then obviously the picture should not be there. That we can help you with.</dd> <dd>As to all the rest, I don't even know what "FAG" might be, and as we keep telling you, we can't be responsible for other sites' incompetency. --<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Orangemike" title="User:Orangemike">Orange Mike</a> | <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orangemike" title="User talk:Orangemike">Talk</a> 19:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Orangemike-20220820192800-Arch_dude-20220820175500","replies":["c-Sir_Bramston-20220820203700-Orangemike-20220820192800"],"timestamp":"20220820192800","author":"Orangemike"}"><span id="ooui-php-76" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sorry, FAG is Find A Grave, belonging to Ancestry.</dd> <dd>The photo of Bramston IS the person once married to Brereton's widow. Just NOT THIS Brereton! I Am attempting to have this corrected.</dd> <dd>It would be simpler to talk to only ONE volunteer about a single matter.</dd> <dd>I am now informed that you are Volunteers.</dd> <dd>This would explain the sometimes cavalier and once accusatory attitude I have experienced. No boss or paycheque to worry about.</dd> <dd>Only an upset descendant.</dd> <dd>This will be my final response to you on this matter.</dd> <dd>Ken Duncan <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Bramston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Bramston (page does not exist)">Sir Bramston</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sir_Bramston" title="User talk:Sir Bramston">talk</a>) 20:37, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sir_Bramston-20220820203700-Orangemike-20220820192800","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820203700","author":"Sir Bramston"}"><span id="ooui-php-77" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Furthermore, removing the image from the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brereton_(Irish_lawyer)" title="John Brereton (Irish lawyer)">John Brereton (Irish lawyer)</a> Wikipedia page (if that is what you are requesting) would not affect any other site, such as Find A Grave. The image is hosted on <a class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SirJohnBramston.jpg">Wikimedia Commons</a> and would remain there even if removed from the Wikipedia article. But even removing it from Commons would have no effect if other sites have made a copy of it. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:CodeTalker&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CodeTalker (page does not exist)">CodeTalker</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CodeTalker" title="User talk:CodeTalker">talk</a>) 19:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CodeTalker-20220820193600-Arch_dude-20220820175500","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220820193600","author":"CodeTalker"}"><span id="ooui-php-78" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="But_I_mean_on_the_merits..." data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-But_I_mean_on_the_merits...-Sir_John_Brereton1576-1629_(Irish_Lawyer)-20220820235400","replies":["c-Herostratus-20220820235400-But_I_mean_on_the_merits..."],"headingLevel":3,"name":"h-Herostratus-20220820235400"}">But I mean on the merits...[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: But I mean on the merits...">edit</a>]</h3> So, in the article <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brereton_(Irish_lawyer)" title="John Brereton (Irish lawyer)">John Brereton (Irish lawyer)</a> we give the info that his wife dated some guy before she married Brereton, then married that guy after Brereton died, and fine; appropriate info, particularly since she (Brereton's wife) was related to bluelinked people. But I mean would we normally have a picture? For <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Smith" class="mw-disambig" title="John Smith">John Smith</a>, would we have "Here's picture of a guy Smith's wife dated and later married. He never met Smith and doesn't have anything to do with this article really, but whatever." Text to that effect, fine, but a picture? As to "We don't give a tinker's dam if misinformation is spread around the internet because of us, cos we didn't break any of our internal rules", enh, I'm not seeing great virtue in that either. Considering both of these are in play (altho I recognize that only the first will have traction here) I've BOLDly removed the picture from the article. Of course anyone can revert that, but further discussion should probably be on the article talk page. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Herostratus" title="User:Herostratus">Herostratus</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Herostratus" title="User talk:Herostratus">talk</a>) 23:54, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Herostratus-20220820235400-But_I_mean_on_the_merits...","replies":["c-Sir_Bramston-20220821011500-Herostratus-20220820235400"],"timestamp":"20220820235400","author":"Herostratus"}"><span id="ooui-php-79" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Herostratus,</dd> <dd>At last a common sense decision. I thank you!</dd> <dd>This will ensure that other members of this huge family, will not be able to promote incorrect information.</dd> <dd>I have "suggested" to the FAG Manager of the John Brereton never married to my 10x step great-grandmother, his actual wife's identity.</dd> <dd>I have removed all mention of her from the wrong FAG.</dd> <dd>I have authored a FAG for the correct John Brereton, including my ancestors FAG number. (I realize FAG is not your site)</dd> <dd>I now will attempt to have John Bramston's portrait removed from Wiki Wand, any connection?</dd> <dd>Again, thanks,</dd> <dd>Ken Duncan, Vancouver, BC <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Bramston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Bramston (page does not exist)">Sir Bramston</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sir_Bramston" title="User talk:Sir Bramston">talk</a>) 01:15, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sir_Bramston-20220821011500-Herostratus-20220820235400","replies":["c-97.126.103.107-20220821014900-Sir_Bramston-20220821011500"],"timestamp":"20220821011500","author":"Sir Bramston"}"><span id="ooui-php-80" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Bramston&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Bramston (page does not exist)">Sir Bramston</a>, WikiWand is not a <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WMF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WMF">WP:WMF</a> project. In other words, no, no connection. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/97.126.103.107" title="Special:Contributions/97.126.103.107">97.126.103.107</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:97.126.103.107&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:97.126.103.107 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 01:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-97.126.103.107-20220821014900-Sir_Bramston-20220821011500","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821014900","author":"97.126.103.107"}"><span id="ooui-php-81" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h1><span class="mw-headline" id="August_21" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-August_21","replies":["h-Uploading_an_image-August_21-20220820233700","h-Please!-August_21-20220821011900","h-Is_this_website_is_suitable_for_reliability?-August_21-20220821081100","h-How_to_make_article_entitle_as_\"Maniklal_Sinha\"_de-orphan_?-August_21-20220821094500","h-Proposed_Text_Revision_of_en.Wikipedia's_\"No._25_Squadron_RAAF\"_Website_$_Upload-August_21-20220821095100","h-Notification_of_lawsuit_against_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_from_anonymous_editor_a-August_21-20220821105500","h-Db-R2-August_21-20220821161000","h-Translation_of_\"Peren-Theorem\"_into_English-August_21-20220821171300","h-Cascade-protected_with_edit_button-August_21-20220821220700"],"headingLevel":1,"name":"h-"}">August 21[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: August 21">edit</a>]</h1> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Uploading_an_image" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Uploading_an_image-August_21-20220820233700","replies":["c-X750-20220820233700-Uploading_an_image"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-X750-20220820233700"}">Uploading an image[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Uploading an image">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> I have a good friend of mine, I won't say he's technically illiterate, but he can't really be bothered about going through the process of making a flickr account nor using the commons file upload wizard, and I asked if it was okay to upload his photos. He said it's okay, so which creative commons license should I use? CC-BY-2.0? Thanks <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:X750" title="User talk:X750">X-750</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/X750" title="Special:Contributions/X750">List of articles that I have screwed over</a> 23:37, 20 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-X750-20220820233700-Uploading_an_image","replies":["c-97.126.103.107-20220821000300-X750-20220820233700"],"timestamp":"20220820233700","author":"X750"}"><span id="ooui-php-82" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:X750" title="User:X750">X750</a>, just to make sure we're all on the same page - he is going to email permission to Commons for the images to be used, correct? <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/97.126.103.107" title="Special:Contributions/97.126.103.107">97.126.103.107</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:97.126.103.107&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:97.126.103.107 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 00:03, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-97.126.103.107-20220821000300-X750-20220820233700","replies":["c-X750-20220821000900-97.126.103.107-20220821000300"],"timestamp":"20220821000300","author":"97.126.103.107"}"><span id="ooui-php-83" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>No, I did not mention that to him. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:X750" title="User talk:X750">X-750</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/X750" title="Special:Contributions/X750">List of articles that I have screwed over</a> 00:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-X750-20220821000900-97.126.103.107-20220821000300","replies":["c-Cullen328-20220821001600-X750-20220821000900"],"timestamp":"20220821000900","author":"X750"}"><span id="ooui-php-84" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:X750" title="User:X750">X750</a>. Only the copyright holder can freely license their photos. It is a legal transaction that cannot be casually delegated to another person. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) 00:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cullen328-20220821001600-X750-20220821000900","replies":["c-X750-20220821002000-Cullen328-20220821001600"],"timestamp":"20220821001600","author":"Cullen328"}"><span id="ooui-php-85" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sigh... okay <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> I'll get him to mail the VRT. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:X750" title="User talk:X750">X-750</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/X750" title="Special:Contributions/X750">List of articles that I have screwed over</a> 00:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-X750-20220821002000-Cullen328-20220821001600","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821002000","author":"X750"}"><span id="ooui-php-86" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Please!" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Please!-August_21-20220821011900","replies":["c-2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23-20220821011900-Please!"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23-20220821011900"}">Please![<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Please!">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Please, I'm so sorry. I accidentally messed up the page for "The Invasion" album by P-Square. I'm so sorry. Please help me fix it, I'm begging you. Please help me. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23" title="Special:Contributions/2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23">2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23" title="User talk:2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23">talk</a>) 01:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23-20220821011900-Please!","replies":["c-Weeklyd3-20220821012100-2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23-20220821011900"],"timestamp":"20220821011900","author":"2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23"}"><span id="ooui-php-87" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I reverted it. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Weeklyd3" title="User:Weeklyd3">weeklyd3</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/weeklyd3" title="Special:Block/weeklyd3">block</a> | <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Weeklyd3" title="User talk:Weeklyd3">talk</a> | <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/weeklyd3" title="Special:Contributions/weeklyd3">contributions</a>) 01:21, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Weeklyd3-20220821012100-2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23-20220821011900","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821012100","author":"Weeklyd3"}"><span id="ooui-php-88" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Is_this_website_is_suitable_for_reliability?" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Is_this_website_is_suitable_for_reliability?-August_21-20220821081100","replies":["c-The_Supermind-20220821081100-Is_this_website_is_suitable_for_reliability?"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-The_Supermind-20220821081100"}">Is this website is suitable for reliability?[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Is this website is suitable for reliability?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> I want to know like <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://www.datingcelebs.com/">this website</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliability</a>. It seems has information about celebrity personal life and professional career whenever you search. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Supermind" title="User:The Supermind">The Supermind</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Supermind" title="User talk:The Supermind">talk</a>) 08:11, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Supermind-20220821081100-Is_this_website_is_suitable_for_reliability?","replies":["c-331dot-20220821081200-The_Supermind-20220821081100","c-Gr\u00e5bergs_Gr\u00e5a_S\u00e5ng-20220822075700-The_Supermind-20220821081100"],"timestamp":"20220821081100","author":"The Supermind"}"><span id="ooui-php-89" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Supermind" title="User:The Supermind">The Supermind</a> You might try the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RSN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSN">reliable sources noticeboard</a> for this sort of discussion. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) 08:12, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-331dot-20220821081200-The_Supermind-20220821081100","replies":["c-Ianmacm-20220821081900-331dot-20220821081200"],"timestamp":"20220821081200","author":"331dot"}"><span id="ooui-php-90" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I had a look at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://www.datingcelebs.com/">https://www.datingcelebs.com/</a> and the answer is no, it doesn't look reliable by a wide margin.--<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ianmacm" title="User:Ianmacm">♦IanMacM♦</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ianmacm" title="User talk:Ianmacm">(talk to me)</a> 08:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ianmacm-20220821081900-331dot-20220821081200","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821081900","author":"Ianmacm"}"><span id="ooui-php-91" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Without actually looking at the site, my rule of thumb is that any website with "celeb" in the url is very unlikely to be <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) 07:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gr\u00e5bergs_Gr\u00e5a_S\u00e5ng-20220822075700-The_Supermind-20220821081100","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822075700","author":"Gr\u00e5bergs Gr\u00e5a S\u00e5ng"}"><span id="ooui-php-92" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="How_to_make_article_entitle_as_"Maniklal_Sinha"_de-orphan_?" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-How_to_make_article_entitle_as_\"Maniklal_Sinha\"_de-orphan_?-August_21-20220821094500","replies":["c-Srikrishna1960-20220821094500-How_to_make_article_entitle_as_\"Maniklal_Sinha\"_de-orphan_?"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Srikrishna1960-20220821094500"}">How to make article entitle as "Maniklal Sinha" de-orphan ?[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: How to make article entitle as "Maniklal Sinha" de-orphan ?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> This article is an <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan" title="Wikipedia:Orphan">orphan</a>, as no other articles. some reviewer says and tag it as orphan. As per there report there is no incoming link in that time. But right now there are more than 3 links so please cheek it whether it is still orphan or not. And also guide me. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Srikrishna1960" title="User:Srikrishna1960">Srikrishna1960</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Srikrishna1960" title="User talk:Srikrishna1960">talk</a>) 09:45, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Srikrishna1960-20220821094500-How_to_make_article_entitle_as_\"Maniklal_Sinha\"_de-orphan_?","replies":["c-ColinFine-20220821100600-Srikrishna1960-20220821094500"],"timestamp":"20220821094500","author":"Srikrishna1960"}"><span id="ooui-php-93" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, Srikirshna1960. I have removed the tag, as there are indeed now incoming links. There was a link (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal" title="Help:Maintenance template removal">Learn how and when to remove these template messages</a>) that you could have followed to find out how to remove it yourself. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) 10:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-20220821100600-Srikrishna1960-20220821094500","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821100600","author":"ColinFine"}"><span id="ooui-php-94" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Proposed_Text_Revision_of_en.Wikipedia's_"No._25_Squadron_RAAF"_Website_$_Uploading_of_2_Photos" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Proposed_Text_Revision_of_en.Wikipedia's_\"No._25_Squadron_RAAF\"_Website_$_Upload-August_21-20220821095100","replies":["c-Shellac41-20220821095100-Proposed_Text_Revision_of_en.Wikipedia's_\"No._25_Squadron_RAAF\"_Website_$_Upload"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Shellac41-20220821095100"}">Proposed Text Revision of en.Wikipedia's "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" Website $ Uploading of 2 Photos[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Proposed Text Revision of en.Wikipedia's "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" Website $ Uploading of 2 Photos">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> To Wikipedia Help Desk with cc’s to <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ruthven" class="extiw" title="c:User:Ruthven">Ruthven</a>, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Yann" class="extiw" title="c:User:Yann">Yann</a> and Nick-D “Talk” pages Hi Wiki Help Desk 1. I have placed a proposed revision of the text of en.Wikipedia’s No. 25 Squadron RAAF website with supporting additional footnotes in Wiki’s format onto the webpage’s “Talk” section. For convenience the text’s revised sections are underlined. 2. As suggested by Wiki Commons Information Team Member JJ Clark by email on 18 Aug I have also re-uploaded 2 over 50 year-old RAAF photos onto en.Wikipedia’s No. 25 Squadron RAAF website using jpeg files and the {{PD-AustraliaGov}} template, being ([[File:No. 25Squadron B-24 Liberator over Netherlands East Indies (aka the DEI - now Indonesia) cMarch-August 1945.jpg|thumb|No. 25Squadron B-24 Liberator over Netherlands East Indies (aka the DEI - now Indonesia) cMarch-August 1945]] and [[File:25SQNPhotoatRAAFDarwinCampJune1967withC130A Hercules transport aircraft.jpg|25SQNPhotoatRAAFDarwinCampJune1967withC130A Hercules transport aircraft]] As a not too computer literate, nearly 80 year-old ‘user’ I hope not to invoke any further Wikis censures or deletions so request any advice or comment you or any Wiki adminstrators’ (including the 3 receiving cc’s of this email on their “Talk” pages) are willing to offer about the acceptability/suitability of 1. and 2. above is requested and would be appreciated. Wiki User Shellac41 21 August 2022 ~~~~ <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shellac41&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shellac41 (page does not exist)">Shellac41</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shellac41" title="User talk:Shellac41">talk</a>) 09:51, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shellac41-20220821095100-Proposed_Text_Revision_of_en.Wikipedia's_\"No._25_Squadron_RAAF\"_Website_$_Upload","replies":["c-GoingBatty-20220821170600-Shellac41-20220821095100"],"timestamp":"20220821095100","author":"Shellac41"}"><span id="ooui-php-95" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shellac41&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shellac41 (page does not exist)">Shellac41</a>: Hi there! Thank you for posting your suggestion at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:No._25_Squadron_RAAF" title="Talk:No. 25 Squadron RAAF">Talk:No. 25 Squadron RAAF</a>. You have received a response there. Happy editing! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GoingBatty" title="User:GoingBatty">GoingBatty</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GoingBatty" title="User talk:GoingBatty">talk</a>) 17:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GoingBatty-20220821170600-Shellac41-20220821095100","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821170600","author":"GoingBatty"}"><span id="ooui-php-96" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Notification_of_lawsuit_against_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_from_anonymous_editor_at_Multiverse,_Data_and_other_articles:_Discussion_of_place_and_time" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Notification_of_lawsuit_against_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_from_anonymous_editor_a-August_21-20220821105500","replies":["c-Legal_Federation_&_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania-20220821105500-Notification_of_lawsuit_against_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_from_anonymous_editor_a","c-71.228.112.175-20220823045200-Notification_of_lawsuit_against_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_from_anonymous_editor_a"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Legal_Federation_&_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania-20220821105500"}">Notification of lawsuit against the Wikimedia Foundation from anonymous editor at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse" title="Multiverse">Multiverse</a>, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data" title="Data">Data</a> and other articles: Discussion of place and time[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Notification of lawsuit against the Wikimedia Foundation from anonymous editor at Multiverse, Data and other articles: Discussion of place and time">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="background-color: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th style="background-color: #F0F2F5; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align: left;"><div style="display: inline; font-size: 115%;">Trolling nonsense</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white;"> <div>Hello, I am a lawyer of the anonymous editor who has been editing the pages <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse" title="Multiverse">Multiverse</a>, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data" title="Data">Data</a>, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism" title="Atomism">Atomism</a>, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_theory" class="mw-disambig" title="Quantum theory">Quantum theory</a>, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Popovici" title="David Popovici">David Popovici</a> and many, many, many others. I am editing through the official Romania lawsuit firm located in Bucharest and I want to compromise the best place and time where this lawsuit can take place, i.e. the court. If you have any questions, contact me at (Redacted). <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Legal_Federation_%26_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Legal Federation & Supreme Court of Bucharest, Romania (page does not exist)">Legal Federation & Supreme Court of Bucharest, Romania</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Legal_Federation_%26_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania" title="User talk:Legal Federation & Supreme Court of Bucharest, Romania">talk</a>) 10:55, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Legal_Federation_&_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania-20220821105500-Notification_of_lawsuit_against_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_from_anonymous_editor_a","replies":["c-Legal_Federation_&_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania-20220821105600-Legal_Federation_&_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania-20220821105500"],"timestamp":"20220821105500","author":"Legal Federation & Supreme Court of Bucharest, Romania"}"><span id="ooui-php-97" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I forgot to say my name is Michael McBobguard. You can call me Mike. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Legal_Federation_%26_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Legal Federation & Supreme Court of Bucharest, Romania (page does not exist)">Legal Federation & Supreme Court of Bucharest, Romania</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Legal_Federation_%26_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania" title="User talk:Legal Federation & Supreme Court of Bucharest, Romania">talk</a>) 10:56, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Legal_Federation_&_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania-20220821105600-Legal_Federation_&_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania-20220821105500","replies":["c-AndyTheGrump-20220821110100-Legal_Federation_&_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania-20220821105600","c-N1TH_Music-20220821161200-Legal_Federation_&_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania-20220821105600"],"timestamp":"20220821105600","author":"Legal Federation & Supreme Court of Bucharest, Romania"}"><span id="ooui-php-98" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_legal_threats" title="Wikipedia:No legal threats">Wikipedia:No legal threats</a>. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AndyTheGrump" title="User:AndyTheGrump">AndyTheGrump</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndyTheGrump" title="User talk:AndyTheGrump">talk</a>) 11:01, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AndyTheGrump-20220821110100-Legal_Federation_&_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania-20220821105600","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821110100","author":"AndyTheGrump"}"><span id="ooui-php-99" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Wikipedia is not the place to be making legal threats, nobody will take you seriously. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:N1TH_Music" title="User:N1TH Music">N1TH Music</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:N1TH_Music" title="User talk:N1TH Music">talk</a>) 16:12, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-N1TH_Music-20220821161200-Legal_Federation_&_Supreme_Court_of_Bucharest,_Romania-20220821105600","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821161200","author":"N1TH Music"}"><span id="ooui-php-100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> The user was given suggestions on how to change their username on their talk page. Shouldn't they be soft-blocked? <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.228.112.175" title="Special:Contributions/71.228.112.175">71.228.112.175</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:71.228.112.175" title="User talk:71.228.112.175">talk</a>) 04:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-71.228.112.175-20220823045200-Notification_of_lawsuit_against_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_from_anonymous_editor_a","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823045200","author":"71.228.112.175"}"><span id="ooui-php-101" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Db-R2" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Db-R2-August_21-20220821161000","replies":["c-N1TH_Music-20220821161000-Db-R2"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-N1TH_Music-20220821161000"}">Db-R2[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Db-R2">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Urm, why has <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Loch_Naver" title="Draft:Loch Naver">this</a> hapenned here. Can I not put a Db-R2 on a draft, it fits the criteria, it should not exist, right? <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:N1TH_Music" title="User:N1TH Music">N1TH Music</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:N1TH_Music" title="User talk:N1TH Music">talk</a>) 16:10, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-N1TH_Music-20220821161000-Db-R2","replies":["c-PrimeHunter-20220821170200-N1TH_Music-20220821161000","c-GoingBatty-20220821170400-N1TH_Music-20220821161000"],"timestamp":"20220821161000","author":"N1TH Music"}"><span id="ooui-php-102" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:N1TH_Music" title="User:N1TH Music">N1TH Music</a>: <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Db-r2" title="Template:Db-r2">Template:Db-r2</a> is only for use on articles. See <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#R2" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#R2</a>. A redirect "from X to Y" means that page X contains the redirect and clicking on X takes you to page Y. When a draft is moved to an article, a redirect is automatically left behind and not subject to speedy deletion. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) 17:02, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PrimeHunter-20220821170200-N1TH_Music-20220821161000","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821170200","author":"PrimeHunter"}"><span id="ooui-php-103" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>(<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>) @<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:N1TH_Music" title="User:N1TH Music">N1TH Music</a>: Hi there! {{<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Db-R2" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Db-R2">Db-R2</a>}} states "This template may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a redirect from the main/article space..." (emphasis added). Your draft is a redirect from the draftspace to the main/article space. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GoingBatty" title="User:GoingBatty">GoingBatty</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GoingBatty" title="User talk:GoingBatty">talk</a>) 17:04, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GoingBatty-20220821170400-N1TH_Music-20220821161000","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821170400","author":"GoingBatty"}"><span id="ooui-php-104" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Translation_of_"Peren-Theorem"_into_English" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Translation_of_\"Peren-Theorem\"_into_English-August_21-20220821171300","replies":["c-Nawouzy-20220821171300-Translation_of_\"Peren-Theorem\"_into_English"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Nawouzy-20220821171300"}">Translation of "Peren-Theorem" into English[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Translation of "Peren-Theorem" into English">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Hello, I have just registered for Wikipedia, so everything is kind of new to me. I would like to translate the existing German article "Peren-Thereom" into English. I'vre read a few guidelines, but couldn't manage to find the right approach. Which steps do I have to make in order to succeed with the translation? I have already written the the English text. Thanks in advance. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nawouzy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nawouzy (page does not exist)">Nawouzy</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nawouzy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Nawouzy (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 17:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nawouzy-20220821171300-Translation_of_\"Peren-Theorem\"_into_English","replies":["c-GoingBatty-20220821171600-Nawouzy-20220821171300"],"timestamp":"20220821171300","author":"Nawouzy"}"><span id="ooui-php-105" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nawouzy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nawouzy (page does not exist)">Nawouzy</a>: Hi there! Have you read <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation" title="Wikipedia:Translation">Wikipedia:Translation</a> and tried the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_translation_tool" title="Wikipedia:Content translation tool">Wikipedia:Content translation tool</a>? You can also try the process at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Your_first_article" title="Help:Your first article">Help:Your first article</a>. Happy editing! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GoingBatty" title="User:GoingBatty">GoingBatty</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GoingBatty" title="User talk:GoingBatty">talk</a>) 17:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GoingBatty-20220821171600-Nawouzy-20220821171300","replies":["c-ColinFine-20220821183900-GoingBatty-20220821171600"],"timestamp":"20220821171600","author":"GoingBatty"}"><span id="ooui-php-106" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't think the Content Translation tool is available to new editors, GoingBatty.</dd> <dd>Welcome, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nawouzy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nawouzy (page does not exist)">Nawouzy</a>. The thing about translating an article from another Wikipedia is that it is not necessarily much easier than writing one from scratch, because you often still have to do the unseen 90% of the work which is finding the appropriate sources to establish that the subject meets English Wikipedia's criteria for <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>. Sometimes the sources are already there, particularly on a strict edition such as the German Wikipedia; but in this case, I'm afraid that <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peren-Theorem" class="extiw" title="de:Peren-Theorem">de:Peren-Theorem</a> does not have a single independent source. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a>.</dd> <dd>This means that you would need to start by finding several articles or books, not by Peren or his associates, which discuss his theorem. If you can find some, then an article may be possible - but it should be based almost entirely on those indepndent sources, not directly on Peren's work; so I'm not sure that the de-wiki article would be of much help, though you could certainly use the text if it is appropriate (attributing it as required). <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) 18:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ColinFine-20220821183900-GoingBatty-20220821171600","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220821183900","author":"ColinFine"}"><span id="ooui-php-107" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Cascade-protected_with_edit_button" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Cascade-protected_with_edit_button-August_21-20220821220700","replies":["c-49.198.51.54-20220821220700-Cascade-protected_with_edit_button"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-49.198.51.54-20220821220700"}">Cascade-protected with edit button[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Cascade-protected with edit button">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1007269517">.mw-parser-output .tracked{float:right;clear:right;margin:0 0 1em 1em;width:12em;border:1px solid #72777d;border-radius:2px;background-color:#eaecf0;font-size:85%;text-align:center;padding:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .tracked-url{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .tracked-closure{color:black;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .tracked-resolved{color:green}</style><div role="note" class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate">Tracked in <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/" class="extiw" title="phabricator:">Phabricator</a> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T13700" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T13700"> Task T13700</a> </div> After finding an error in the OTD section of the Main Page, I went looking for the history of the page where the error exists and ended up reaching <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries/August_21" title="Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/August 21">Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/August 21</a>. No surprise, it's cascade protected, so I can't edit it. Why, then, does the page have a normal "edit" button instead of the "view source" button that generally appears on protected pages? At first I figured an administrator had forgotten to protect it, leaving a Main Page component vulnerable to vandalism. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/49.198.51.54" title="Special:Contributions/49.198.51.54">49.198.51.54</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:49.198.51.54" title="User talk:49.198.51.54">talk</a>) 22:07, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-49.198.51.54-20220821220700-Cascade-protected_with_edit_button","replies":["c-Pppery-20220821230000-49.198.51.54-20220821220700"],"timestamp":"20220821220700","author":"49.198.51.54"}"><span id="ooui-php-108" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This is <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T13700" class="extiw" title="phab:T13700">phab:T13700</a>. According to Robchurch, former developer of the software: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r989825325">.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">checking cascade protection status is quite an expensive operation, so we avoid doing it when it's not needed, i.e. on page views - when the edit operation commences, we do a full check.</q> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> 23:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pppery-20220821230000-49.198.51.54-20220821220700","replies":["c-PrimeHunter-20220822022200-Pppery-20220821230000"],"timestamp":"20220821230000","author":"Pppery"}"><span id="ooui-php-109" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>By the way, the "Edit" button and "View source" button go to the same url with <code>action=edit</code>. When the edit operation commences, the software doesn't care what the button said, or whether a button was used. It only cares whether you have permission to edit the page. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) 02:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PrimeHunter-20220822022200-Pppery-20220821230000","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822022200","author":"PrimeHunter"}"><span id="ooui-php-110" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h1><span class="mw-headline" id="August_22" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-August_22","replies":["h-How_can_I_disable_automatic_log_in_on_other_wikipedia_language_versions_or_is_it-August_22-20220822002400","h-Replace_a_citation-August_22-20220822082900","h-Family_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge-August_22-20220822100200","h-Changed_definition-August_22-20220822101800","h-Ivins-Conover_House-August_22-20220822135200","h-Notifing_members_in_a_WikiProject-August_22-20220822155800","h-Article_Suggests\/Advices-August_22-20220822200700","h-Tag_for_source_using_Wikipedia_as_a_source-August_22-20220822213400"],"headingLevel":1,"name":"h-"}">August 22[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: August 22">edit</a>]</h1> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="How_can_I_disable_automatic_log_in_on_other_wikipedia_language_versions_or_is_it_possible_to_delete_such_accounts?" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-How_can_I_disable_automatic_log_in_on_other_wikipedia_language_versions_or_is_it-August_22-20220822002400","replies":["c-Qwea1-20220822002400-How_can_I_disable_automatic_log_in_on_other_wikipedia_language_versions_or_is_it"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Qwea1-20220822002400"}">How can I disable automatic log in on other wikipedia language versions or is it possible to delete such accounts?[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: How can I disable automatic log in on other wikipedia language versions or is it possible to delete such accounts?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> It is extremely annoying that wikipedia creates a new account when I click another language website and I do not want those attached to my account I have 0 relation to them except for looking for images to add a page, I can't find a button to disable this feature and there is no way to delete, is it possible to delete accounts that logged in on other language wikipedias that I have no contributions thanks. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qwea1" title="User:Qwea1">Qwea1</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Qwea1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Qwea1 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 00:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Qwea1-20220822002400-How_can_I_disable_automatic_log_in_on_other_wikipedia_language_versions_or_is_it","replies":["c-J\u00e9sk\u00e9_Couriano-20220822004000-Qwea1-20220822002400"],"timestamp":"20220822002400","author":"Qwea1"}"><span id="ooui-php-111" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This is a consequence of <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Single_unified_login" class="extiw" title="m:Single unified login">m:Single unified login</a> and it is impossible to delete Wikipedia accounts for technical and <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CC-By-SA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CC-By-SA">legal</a> reasons. —<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano">Jéské Couriano</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano">v^_^v</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano">a little blue Bori</a> 00:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-J\u00e9sk\u00e9_Couriano-20220822004000-Qwea1-20220822002400","replies":["c-Qwea1-20220822012800-J\u00e9sk\u00e9_Couriano-20220822004000"],"timestamp":"20220822004000","author":"J\u00e9sk\u00e9 Couriano"}"><span id="ooui-php-112" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks, Is theres a setting to disable single unified login or only solution is logging out? I looked through my preferences but can't find any. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qwea1" title="User:Qwea1">Qwea1</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Qwea1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Qwea1 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 01:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Qwea1-20220822012800-J\u00e9sk\u00e9_Couriano-20220822004000","replies":["c-Cullen328-20220822013300-Qwea1-20220822012800"],"timestamp":"20220822012800","author":"Qwea1"}"><span id="ooui-php-113" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qwea1" title="User:Qwea1">Qwea1</a>. You only have one account. Visiting another Wikimedia project does not create another account. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) 01:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cullen328-20220822013300-Qwea1-20220822012800","replies":["c-PrimeHunter-20220822023400-Cullen328-20220822013300"],"timestamp":"20220822013300","author":"Cullen328"}"><span id="ooui-php-114" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That's a matter of definition. It creates a local account in our own terminology and this has some consequences, e.g. the possibility of unwanted welcome posts and notifications. I have a proposal at <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Welcoming_policy" class="extiw" title="meta:Welcoming policy">meta:Welcoming policy</a> to avoid this. It also reveals which Wikimedia wikis you have visited while logged in, and when you first did it: <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/PrimeHunter" title="Special:CentralAuth/PrimeHunter">Special:CentralAuth/PrimeHunter</a>. I can understand it annoys some users. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) 02:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-PrimeHunter-20220822023400-Cullen328-20220822013300","replies":["c-Victor_Schmidt_mobil-20220822054300-PrimeHunter-20220822023400"],"timestamp":"20220822023400","author":"PrimeHunter"}"><span id="ooui-php-115" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qwea1" title="User:Qwea1">Qwea1</a> AFAIK I recommended someone with the same question of how to disable central login to block cookies for login.wikimedia.org some time ago and it worked, no clue if it still does. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Victor_Schmidt_mobil" title="User:Victor Schmidt mobil">Victor Schmidt mobil</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Victor_Schmidt_mobil" title="User talk:Victor Schmidt mobil">talk</a>) 05:43, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Victor_Schmidt_mobil-20220822054300-PrimeHunter-20220822023400","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822054300","author":"Victor Schmidt mobil"}"><span id="ooui-php-116" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Replace_a_citation" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Replace_a_citation-August_22-20220822082900","replies":["c-Crushedoreos-20220822082900-Replace_a_citation"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Crushedoreos-20220822082900"}">Replace a citation[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Replace a citation">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> I noticed a citation that is used multiple times on an article refers to an outdated URL. Is there a way to just replace the citation with the new, working link or do I need to manually cite the new link everywhere the outdated citation is used? <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Crushedoreos&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Crushedoreos (page does not exist)">Crushedoreos</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Crushedoreos&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Crushedoreos (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 08:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crushedoreos-20220822082900-Replace_a_citation","replies":["c-Meters-20220822084100-Crushedoreos-20220822082900","c-Meters-20220822084900-Crushedoreos-20220822082900"],"timestamp":"20220822082900","author":"Crushedoreos"}"><span id="ooui-php-117" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If a citation is reused it should be named, in which case the citation is defined in only in one place (starting with "<ref name=somename>" rather than simply "<ref>", followed by the actual citation). Additional uses of that ref just consist of "<ref name=somename/>" . It's a good idea to link to the article in question so we can what you are discussing. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Meters" title="User:Meters">Meters</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Meters" title="User talk:Meters">talk</a>) 08:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Meters-20220822084100-Crushedoreos-20220822082900","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822084100","author":"Meters"}"><span id="ooui-php-118" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>See <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NAMEDREFS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NAMEDREFS">WP:NAMEDREFS</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Meters" title="User:Meters">Meters</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Meters" title="User talk:Meters">talk</a>) 08:49, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Meters-20220822084900-Crushedoreos-20220822082900","replies":["c-Crushedoreos-20220822101700-Meters-20220822084900"],"timestamp":"20220822084900","author":"Meters"}"><span id="ooui-php-119" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks, I was able to successfully replace the citation. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Crushedoreos&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Crushedoreos (page does not exist)">Crushedoreos</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Crushedoreos&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Crushedoreos (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 10:17, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Crushedoreos-20220822101700-Meters-20220822084900","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822101700","author":"Crushedoreos"}"><span id="ooui-php-120" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Family_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Family_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge-August_22-20220822100200","replies":["c-49.198.41.28-20220822100200-Family_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-49.198.41.28-20220822100200"}"><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge" title="Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge">Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge</a>[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Ref number 37 is wrong. Please fix as I cannot. Thanks <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/49.198.41.28" title="Special:Contributions/49.198.41.28">49.198.41.28</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:49.198.41.28" title="User talk:49.198.41.28">talk</a>) 10:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-49.198.41.28-20220822100200-Family_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge","replies":["c-ColinFine-20220822100600-49.198.41.28-20220822100200"],"timestamp":"20220822100200","author":"49.198.41.28"}"><span id="ooui-php-121" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" srcset="//web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //web.archive.org/web/20220823203718im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done. Removed a stray pipe character ('|') <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) 10:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-20220822100600-49.198.41.28-20220822100200","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822100600","author":"ColinFine"}"><span id="ooui-php-122" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Changed_definition" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Changed_definition-August_22-20220822101800","replies":["c-2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3-20220822101800-Changed_definition"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3-20220822101800"}">Changed definition[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Changed definition">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Congratulations. You changed the definition of recession and are now corrupt. Nothing on this site can be trusted and is now garbage. Good job. — Preceding <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3" title="Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3">2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 10:18, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3-20220822101800-Changed_definition","replies":["c-Girth_Summit-20220822102800-2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3-20220822101800","c-Gr\u00e5bergs_Gr\u00e5a_S\u00e5ng-20220822104800-2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3-20220822101800"],"timestamp":"20220822101800","author":"2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3"}"><span id="ooui-php-123" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>At the risk of feeding a troll, I'll just say that <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Recession#ATTENTION_NEW_VISITORS_TO_THIS_PAGE" title="Talk:Recession">Talk:Recession#ATTENTION_NEW_VISITORS_TO_THIS_PAGE</a> is worth a read. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Girth_Summit" title="User:Girth Summit">Girth Summit</a><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Girth_Summit" title="User talk:Girth Summit"> (blether)</a> 10:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Girth_Summit-20220822102800-2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3-20220822101800","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822102800","author":"Girth Summit"}"><span id="ooui-php-124" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Here's an off-WP opinion: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://slate.com/technology/2022/08/wikipedia-recession-article.html">How a False Claim About Wikipedia Sparked a Right-Wing Media Frenzy</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) 10:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gr\u00e5bergs_Gr\u00e5a_S\u00e5ng-20220822104800-2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3-20220822101800","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822104800","author":"Gr\u00e5bergs Gr\u00e5a S\u00e5ng"}"><span id="ooui-php-125" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Ivins-Conover_House" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ivins-Conover_House-August_22-20220822135200","replies":["c-JillerMc-20220822135200-Ivins-Conover_House"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-JillerMc-20220822135200"}">Ivins-Conover House[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Ivins-Conover House">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> <pre>I am trying to write a wiki page for an ancestral house that is on the New Jersey register of historic places. No one has written about it yet and I have collected a lot of info over the years. I am highly educated but not tech savvy. My question is: </pre> How do I edit my two References without highlighting them and having them completely erased when I backspace? All I want to do is to write the word “References”at the top to replace the floating #2 and then replace the letters in red in each reference and make sure each reference has a date. I have tried everything to no avail. Visual editing only changes the format of the page completely and still causes a highlight. Source editing doesn’t work at all. You may also want to know that because I am disabled I only have access to an iPad. You may also want to know that I had to generate the web references manually because the automatic set up wouldn’t work. Which puzzles me because it seems to have worked for the listings for the other houses in the state register. Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:JillerMc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JillerMc (page does not exist)">JillerMc</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JillerMc" title="User talk:JillerMc">talk</a>) 13:52, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JillerMc-20220822135200-Ivins-Conover_House","replies":["c-GoingBatty-20220822141000-JillerMc-20220822135200"],"timestamp":"20220822135200","author":"JillerMc"}"><span id="ooui-php-126" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:JillerMc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JillerMc (page does not exist)">JillerMc</a>: Hi there! I presume you are referring to <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JillerMc/sandbox/Ivins-Conover_House" title="User:JillerMc/sandbox/Ivins-Conover House">User:JillerMc/sandbox/Ivins-Conover House</a>. I added a References section and added a title to your first reference. Your second reference is a link to a Wikipedia article, and we don't use Wikipedia articles as references per <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CIRCULAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIRCULAR">WP:CIRCULAR</a>.</dd> <dd>Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. If you haven't done so already, I suggest you review the materials at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Help:Introduction">Help:Introduction</a>. For your new article, I suggest you gather multiple <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IS">independent</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> that have provided <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">significant coverage</a> of the house, and then follow the instructions at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Your_first_article" title="Help:Your first article">Help:Your first article</a>, and be prepared for a process that may include waiting for review, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. Hope this helps, and happy editing! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GoingBatty" title="User:GoingBatty">GoingBatty</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GoingBatty" title="User talk:GoingBatty">talk</a>) 14:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GoingBatty-20220822141000-JillerMc-20220822135200","replies":["c-49.198.51.54-20220822220600-GoingBatty-20220822141000"],"timestamp":"20220822141000","author":"GoingBatty"}"><span id="ooui-php-127" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Ivins-Conover_House" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Ivins-Conover House">Special:WhatLinksHere/Ivins-Conover House</a> shows that it has more than New Jersey historic status. It appears at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Burlington_County,_New_Jersey" title="National Register of Historic Places listings in Burlington County, New Jersey">National Register of Historic Places listings in Burlington County, New Jersey</a>. You can ask for help at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Register_of_Historic_Places" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places</a> where they concentrate on American historic sites. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/49.198.51.54" title="Special:Contributions/49.198.51.54">49.198.51.54</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:49.198.51.54" title="User talk:49.198.51.54">talk</a>) 22:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-49.198.51.54-20220822220600-GoingBatty-20220822141000","replies":["c-JillerMc-20220823133300-49.198.51.54-20220822220600"],"timestamp":"20220822220600","author":"49.198.51.54"}"><span id="ooui-php-128" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>thanks SOOO much for your help and for your suggestions. Especially the one about the wiki project National Register of Historic Places. I have one or two more references but it seems that almost nothing has been written about it anywhere except in one self published book. The owners have never welcomed visitors. My write up is based almost completely on the data pages from the 1970s that were completed by the park employees seeking to nominate the house. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:JillerMc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JillerMc (page does not exist)">JillerMc</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JillerMc" title="User talk:JillerMc">talk</a>) 13:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-JillerMc-20220823133300-49.198.51.54-20220822220600","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823133300","author":"JillerMc"}"><span id="ooui-php-129" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Notifing_members_in_a_WikiProject" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Notifing_members_in_a_WikiProject-August_22-20220822155800","replies":["c-CactiStaccingCrane-20220822155800-Notifing_members_in_a_WikiProject"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-CactiStaccingCrane-20220822155800"}">Notifing members in a WikiProject[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Notifing members in a WikiProject">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> I'm trying to gather response at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Vital_Articles#Preparation" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Vital Articles">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Vital Articles#Preparation</a> and I want all of the Vital WikiProject's members to know about this. However, I don't really want to use MassMessage or ping for this as I think this is too intrusive and annoying. What should I do instead? <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>) 15:58, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CactiStaccingCrane-20220822155800-Notifing_members_in_a_WikiProject","replies":["c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20220822162700-CactiStaccingCrane-20220822155800"],"timestamp":"20220822155800","author":"CactiStaccingCrane"}"><span id="ooui-php-130" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> Speaking as someone interested in various projects, I put the key talk pages on my watchlist and always check when something new is posted. I would assume that anyone interested in that "Vital Articles" project would already be alert to your posting and there is no need for you to do much more than wait a bit. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) 16:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20220822162700-CactiStaccingCrane-20220822155800","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822162700","author":"Michael D. Turnbull"}"><span id="ooui-php-131" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Article_Suggests/Advices" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Article_Suggests\/Advices-August_22-20220822200700","replies":["c-Tunakusdemir-20220822200700-Article_Suggests\/Advices"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tunakusdemir-20220822200700"}">Article Suggests/Advices[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Article Suggests/Advices">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Hi, I'm Tuna Kuşdemir who is student of METU. I was wondering that can I see article advices on my page or somewhere. For example, in many platforms, there are customized article advices depend on choices related to your interests. I want to see interesting articles, experiments, or articles which are customed depend on my choices. Is there a system like that? Thanks. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tunakusdemir&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tunakusdemir (page does not exist)">Tunakusdemir</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tunakusdemir&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Tunakusdemir (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 20:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tunakusdemir-20220822200700-Article_Suggests\/Advices","replies":["c-Weeklyd3-20220822232900-Tunakusdemir-20220822200700","c-Arch_dude-20220823011200-Tunakusdemir-20220822200700"],"timestamp":"20220822200700","author":"Tunakusdemir"}"><span id="ooui-php-132" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tunakusdemir&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tunakusdemir (page does not exist)">Tunakusdemir</a>: Not too sure (I've never used the Wikipedia app before), but I think the app has a "suggested article" feature. If you want it, here are the download links: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia&hl=en_US&gl=US">Android</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wikipedia/id324715238">iOS</a>. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Weeklyd3" title="User:Weeklyd3">Weeklyd3</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Weeklyd3" title="User talk:Weeklyd3">talk</a>) 23:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Weeklyd3-20220822232900-Tunakusdemir-20220822200700","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822232900","author":"Weeklyd3"}"><span id="ooui-php-133" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tunakusdemir&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tunakusdemir (page does not exist)">Tunakusdemir</a>: that is an interesting question. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia (see <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">WP:NOT</a>), we are not focused on topical stuff the way social media is, and since we do not do targeted advertising, we have no incentive to try to track your interests and are philosophically opposed to tracking. Therefore, the analogies are fairly weak. We do have at least two mechanisms that might work for you: categories and Wikiprojects. If an article attracts your interest, look at its categories (at the bottom of the article). go to interesting categories and browse some of the other articles in the category. Similarly, an article you like may be of interest to one or more wikiprojects: these are usually listed on the article's talk page. My own preference is primarily to click on links from interesting articles to find other interesting articles. -<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arch_dude" title="User:Arch dude">Arch dude</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arch_dude" title="User talk:Arch dude">talk</a>) 01:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Arch_dude-20220823011200-Tunakusdemir-20220822200700","replies":["c-Tunakusdemir-20220823113800-Arch_dude-20220823011200"],"timestamp":"20220823011200","author":"Arch dude"}"><span id="ooui-php-134" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That's an interesting attitude, maybe the existing condition of Wikipedia is more professional from one side. However, the recommendation system of articles that is related to people's interests may make more attractive Wikipedia to people. Thus science and knowledge can widespread. With compliments, Tuna K. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tunakusdemir&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tunakusdemir (page does not exist)">Tunakusdemir</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tunakusdemir&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Tunakusdemir (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 11:38, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tunakusdemir-20220823113800-Arch_dude-20220823011200","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823113800","author":"Tunakusdemir"}"><span id="ooui-php-135" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Tag_for_source_using_Wikipedia_as_a_source" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Tag_for_source_using_Wikipedia_as_a_source-August_22-20220822213400","replies":["c-ThoughtIdRetired-20220822213400-Tag_for_source_using_Wikipedia_as_a_source","c-Hoary-20220823011600-Tag_for_source_using_Wikipedia_as_a_source"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-ThoughtIdRetired-20220822213400"}">Tag for source using Wikipedia as a source[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Tag for source using Wikipedia as a source">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Is there a template to put with a source that uses Wikipedia as a source? I am looking at <a href="#cite_note-Vaucher_2012-1">[1]</a> in <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boat" title="Boat">Boat</a>. The source clearly states that some information comes from Wikipedia. Or should I just go ahead and delete the reference as it is not an RS? I reckon I can find a source that handles that part of the article better (may need the text to say something different), but it will take a little time to do. So the original intent of the tag is to indicate that fixing the problem is a work in progress. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ThoughtIdRetired" title="User:ThoughtIdRetired">ThoughtIdRetired</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ThoughtIdRetired" title="User talk:ThoughtIdRetired">talk</a>) 21:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThoughtIdRetired-20220822213400-Tag_for_source_using_Wikipedia_as_a_source","replies":["c-ThoughtIdRetired-20220822213800-ThoughtIdRetired-20220822213400"],"timestamp":"20220822213400","author":"ThoughtIdRetired"}"><span id="ooui-php-136" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Looking further, the source in question is not an RS for more than one reason. Additionally, it appears to be a blog created by one individual. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ThoughtIdRetired" title="User:ThoughtIdRetired">ThoughtIdRetired</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ThoughtIdRetired" title="User talk:ThoughtIdRetired">talk</a>) 21:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ThoughtIdRetired-20220822213800-ThoughtIdRetired-20220822213400","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220822213800","author":"ThoughtIdRetired"}"><span id="ooui-php-137" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1044749286">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 2em;border:1px dashed #AAAAAA;padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> References <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1011085734">.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%;margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-Vaucher_2012-1"><a href="#cite_ref-Vaucher_2012_1-0">^</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1067248974"/><cite id="CITEREFVaucher2012" class="citation web cs1">Vaucher, Jean (2012-01-08). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~vaucher/History/Ships/Prehistoric_Craft/#index">"Prehistoric Craft"</a>. Université de Montréal. Retrieved 2021-08-18.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Universit%C3%A9+de+Montr%C3%A9al&rft.atitle=Prehistoric+Craft&rft.date=2012-01-08&rft.aulast=Vaucher&rft.aufirst=Jean&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iro.umontreal.ca%2F~vaucher%2FHistory%2FShips%2FPrehistoric_Craft%2F%23index&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AHelp+desk" class="Z3988"> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <dl><dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ThoughtIdRetired" title="User:ThoughtIdRetired">ThoughtIdRetired</a>, the iro.umontreal.ca source you point to smacks of work by an undergraduate (and not an intellectually scintillating undergraduate either). If you take out the content from Wikipedia, what you have left still isn't reliable. Just remove the reference (and anything like it). But for future application, please see <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_index/Sources_of_articles" title="Wikipedia:Template index/Sources of articles">Wikipedia:Template index/Sources_of_articles</a>. -- <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) 01:16, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hoary-20220823011600-Tag_for_source_using_Wikipedia_as_a_source","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823011600","author":"Hoary"}"><span id="ooui-php-138" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h1><span class="mw-headline" id="August_23" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-August_23","replies":["h-Update_request-August_23-20220823040500","h-I_seek_an_inline_double-brace_tool_that_displays_language_type_and_a_translated_-August_23-20220823074200","h-Adding_(defunct)_to_inactive_websites-August_23-20220823090400","h-Editing_a_Wikipaedia_Entry-August_23-20220823134400","h-Citing_Sources_When_Changes_are_Requested_by_Page's_Subject-August_23-20220823141100","h-Eastern_and_Western_Armenian-August_23-20220823143300","h-PDFs_not_opening_correctly,_pages_shows_scrambled_code-August_23-20220823171400","h-Question_about_Copyvio-revdel-August_23-20220823201800"],"headingLevel":1,"name":"h-"}">August 23[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: August 23">edit</a>]</h1> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Update_request" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Update_request-August_23-20220823040500","replies":["c-122.161.91.176-20220823040500-Update_request"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-122.161.91.176-20220823040500"}">Update request[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Update request">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Indian Actress Sridevi got Filmfare award for best actress category in 2013 for 1986 and 1987 but this development is not mentioned in sridevi wikipedia and film fare best actress wiki. request you to update this information. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/122.161.91.176" title="Special:Contributions/122.161.91.176">122.161.91.176</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:122.161.91.176&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:122.161.91.176 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 04:05, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-122.161.91.176-20220823040500-Update_request","replies":["c-Marchjuly-20220823043300-122.161.91.176-20220823040500"],"timestamp":"20220823040500","author":"122.161.91.176"}"><span id="ooui-php-139" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi IP 122.161.91.176. Are you asking about the article <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sridevi" title="Sridevi">Sridevi</a>? If you are, then there are two options you can follow. The first one would be to make the desired edits yourself. It's appears that the article might be currently under a type of protection called <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PENDING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PENDING">pending changes</a>. Articles protected as such can still be edited by IP accounts, but the edit will remained "unofficial" so to speak until it is accepted by pending changes reviewer. So, if you are <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a>, make the edit yourself and support the changes you make with citation to a <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a> so that it can be verified, a pending changes editor may accept the edit if it's otherwise in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. If you make the edit and don't provide any citations to a reliable source in support or there are other problems with the edit, the pending changes reviewer may try and fix the edit themselves or may decline the edit. If the edit is declined, you would probably be better off starting a discussion on the article's talk page about the change you want made instead of trying to make the same edit again. The other option basically involves you being <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CAUTIOUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CAUTIOUS">WP:CAUTIOUS</a> and first proposing the edit on the article's talk page (as an <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ER">edit request</a>) to see what others might think. In this case as well, you're going to be expected to provide some way for others to verify the details of the edit and usually this is done by adding a link to a reliable source that supports the edit. If you simply post something like "Please make this change" without providing any way for the edit to be verified, then there's a good chance of your request being declined since it can't be verified. Which option you choose is up to you, but the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BURDEN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BURDEN">WP:BURDEN</a> of providing a way to verify the changes you want made also falls upon you. -- <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) 04:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Marchjuly-20220823043300-122.161.91.176-20220823040500","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823043300","author":"Marchjuly"}"><span id="ooui-php-140" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="I_seek_an_inline_double-brace_tool_that_displays_language_type_and_a_translated_word" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-I_seek_an_inline_double-brace_tool_that_displays_language_type_and_a_translated_-August_23-20220823074200","replies":["c-Catsmoke-20220823074200-I_seek_an_inline_double-brace_tool_that_displays_language_type_and_a_translated_","c-Fredlesaltique-20220823121800-I_seek_an_inline_double-brace_tool_that_displays_language_type_and_a_translated_"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Catsmoke-20220823074200"}">I seek an inline double-brace tool that displays language type and a translated word[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: I seek an inline double-brace tool that displays language type and a translated word">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> I'm trying to find a certain Wikipedia inline textual tool which provides the translation (into English, in this case) of a foreign word, with the language listed before the translated word. The tool's inline format is similar to {{language|translated word}} (that is my conjectural reconstruction of it, and it is missing some part) and has an output such as <blockquote>...she told us that le chat (English: the cat) knew that mice love fromage (English: cheese), so the feline...</blockquote> I have found a similar tool, and its form is {{lang|language type|translated word}} with output such as <blockquote>...if dogs had been chasing le chat (the cat) through their neighborhood...</blockquote> but that is not the tool I seek, although it is similar. If someone can identify the tool that I want, and direct me to the same, I would appreciate the assistance. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Catsmoke" title="User:Catsmoke">—catsmoke</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Catsmoke" title="User talk:Catsmoke">talk</a> 07:42, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Catsmoke-20220823074200-I_seek_an_inline_double-brace_tool_that_displays_language_type_and_a_translated_","replies":["c-ColinFine-20220823112000-Catsmoke-20220823074200"],"timestamp":"20220823074200","author":"Catsmoke"}"><span id="ooui-php-141" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Are you asking for a template that automatically provides the English translation? If so, that's not going to happen. Machine translation of individual words is effectively impoossible. The <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OED" class="mw-redirect" title="OED">OED</a> lists 100 senses for the word "set", many of them subdivided. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) 11:20, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-20220823112000-Catsmoke-20220823074200","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823112000","author":"ColinFine"}"><span id="ooui-php-142" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lang-en" title="Template:Lang-en">Template:Lang-en</a> {{lang-en|cat}} "le chat (English: cat) but the template highly discourages its use because 1. It's English wiki so unnecessary and redundant (just type out English: cat is better) and 2. Takes up template processing resources. But it can be useful in niche scenarios.</dd></dl></dd></dl> They are all formatted {{lang-x}} where x is the two or three letter language code. Should be a brief section explaining on the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lang" title="Template:Lang">Template:Lang</a> page <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fredlesaltique" title="User:Fredlesaltique">Fredlesaltique</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fredlesaltique" title="User talk:Fredlesaltique">talk</a>) 12:18, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fredlesaltique-20220823121800-I_seek_an_inline_double-brace_tool_that_displays_language_type_and_a_translated_","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823121800","author":"Fredlesaltique"}"><span id="ooui-php-143" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Adding_(defunct)_to_inactive_websites" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Adding_(defunct)_to_inactive_websites-August_23-20220823090400","replies":["c-Shkuru_Afshar-20220823090400-Adding_(defunct)_to_inactive_websites"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Shkuru_Afshar-20220823090400"}">Adding (defunct) to inactive websites[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Adding (defunct) to inactive websites">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Hi I want to know if it is right to add "(defunct)" or "defunct" to the official websites mentioned at the external links sections of articles. Example from <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_and_Prejudice_and_Zombies_(film)" title="Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (film)">Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (film)</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/http://www.ppz-movie.com/">Official website</a> defunct If the answer is no, then how we should mention that the link is not active anymore? Example <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachary_Levi" title="Zachary Levi">Zachary Levi</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/http://www.zacharylevi.com/">Official website</a> Cheers <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shkuru_Afshar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shkuru Afshar (page does not exist)">Shkuru Afshar</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shkuru_Afshar" title="User talk:Shkuru Afshar">talk</a>) 09:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shkuru_Afshar-20220823090400-Adding_(defunct)_to_inactive_websites","replies":["c-Catsmoke-20220823091200-Shkuru_Afshar-20220823090400","c-GoingBatty-20220823130400-Shkuru_Afshar-20220823090400"],"timestamp":"20220823090400","author":"Shkuru Afshar"}"><span id="ooui-php-144" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>When something in the body of an article cites a website as a source of information, and afterwards that site goes offline, then it is important to note that the website is offline. But since none of the information in an article is directly dependent upon any of those External links-section links for reference (if it were, the link would have already been cited), the solution is to completely remove the link from the post-article list of External links. In the case of your Pride and Prejudice and Zombies link, that link should be removed from the article's External links list. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Catsmoke" title="User:Catsmoke">—catsmoke</a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Catsmoke" title="User talk:Catsmoke">talk</a> 09:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Catsmoke-20220823091200-Shkuru_Afshar-20220823090400","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823091200","author":"Catsmoke"}"><span id="ooui-php-145" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shkuru_Afshar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shkuru Afshar (page does not exist)">Shkuru Afshar</a>: Hi there! Another option is to use <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Webarchive" title="Template:Webarchive">Template:Webarchive</a>, as I have done on the <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_and_Prejudice_and_Zombies_(film)" title="Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (film)">Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (film)</a> article. Happy editing! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GoingBatty" title="User:GoingBatty">GoingBatty</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GoingBatty" title="User talk:GoingBatty">talk</a>) 13:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GoingBatty-20220823130400-Shkuru_Afshar-20220823090400","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823130400","author":"GoingBatty"}"><span id="ooui-php-146" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Editing_a_Wikipaedia_Entry" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Editing_a_Wikipaedia_Entry-August_23-20220823134400","replies":["c-Creaggam-20220823134400-Editing_a_Wikipaedia_Entry"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Creaggam-20220823134400"}">Editing a Wikipaedia Entry[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: Editing a Wikipaedia Entry">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Hi, I wish to add comments to the Wikipedia page of someone I know as Wikipedia have used mainly news excerpts and quotes to prepare the page. This person is new to public life and the page is rather unbalanced. The Wikipedia page has obviously been written by someone who was unhappy with his appointment. The sources have been used taking comments out of context to the detriment of the individual concerned. How can this be addressed? Will my edits, adding text to the wording already in Wikipedia to give context, be shown publically? <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Creaggam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Creaggam (page does not exist)">Creaggam</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Creaggam" title="User talk:Creaggam">talk</a>) 13:44, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Creaggam-20220823134400-Editing_a_Wikipaedia_Entry","replies":["c-Melecie-20220823142600-Creaggam-20220823134400","c-ColinFine-20220823153500-Creaggam-20220823134400"],"timestamp":"20220823134400","author":"Creaggam"}"><span id="ooui-php-147" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>hi @<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Creaggam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Creaggam (page does not exist)">Creaggam</a> and welcome to the help desk! what page are you referring to? all contributions and comments will be shown publicly, unless the page is under <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pending_changes_protection" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Pending changes protection">pending changes protection</a>, in which case it'll have to go through another, more experienced editor for review before being accepted. happy editing! 💜 <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Melecie" title="User:Melecie"> melecie </a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Melecie" title="User talk:Melecie">talk</a> - 14:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Melecie-20220823142600-Creaggam-20220823134400","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823142600","author":"Melecie"}"><span id="ooui-php-148" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Also please note, Creaggam, that you may not use any information which has not been published. You say "mainly news excerpts and quotes" - that is what an encyclopaedia article should be based on (and books, if there are any on the subject). Articles should be written from a <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, so if the article is unbablanced, that should be fixed. But if it happens that all the available independent published sources are hostile to the subject, then I'm afraid that that's what Wikipedia should report (and note that non-independent sources, such as interviews or articles based on press releases, should not be used, even if they are the only favourable sources you can find).</dd> <dd>The best thing to do is to open a discussion on the article's talk page: express you concerns, cite your sources, and suggest how the article could be improved. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) 15:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-20220823153500-Creaggam-20220823134400","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823153500","author":"ColinFine"}"><span id="ooui-php-149" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Citing_Sources_When_Changes_are_Requested_by_Page's_Subject" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Citing_Sources_When_Changes_are_Requested_by_Page's_Subject-August_23-20220823141100","replies":["c-Rslit-20220823141100-Citing_Sources_When_Changes_are_Requested_by_Page's_Subject"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Rslit-20220823141100"}">Citing Sources When Changes are Requested by Page's Subject[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: Citing Sources When Changes are Requested by Page's Subject">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Hi, I have been trying to update the Wikipedia page of a journalist/author, at the request of this person. The changes were sent to me by the page's subject directly, so I am not sure how I can cite this source. I would also like to ensure that my changes will not constantly be edited, since they are coming directly from the source. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rslit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rslit (page does not exist)">Rslit</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rslit" title="User talk:Rslit">talk</a>) 14:11, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rslit-20220823141100-Citing_Sources_When_Changes_are_Requested_by_Page's_Subject","replies":["c-Naraht-20220823143200-Rslit-20220823141100","c-Melecie-20220823143300-Rslit-20220823141100"],"timestamp":"20220823141100","author":"Rslit"}"><span id="ooui-php-150" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>In general, statements by the subject of the page are not suitable as references. See <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability,_not_truth" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth">Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth</a> among others. If the subject of the page points out references that support the statements that's fine.<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Naraht" title="User:Naraht">Naraht</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Naraht" title="User talk:Naraht">talk</a>) 14:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Naraht-20220823143200-Rslit-20220823141100","replies":["c-Rslit-20220823150100-Naraht-20220823143200"],"timestamp":"20220823143200","author":"Naraht"}"><span id="ooui-php-151" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rslit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rslit (page does not exist)">Rslit</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rslit" title="User talk:Rslit">talk</a>) 15:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rslit-20220823150100-Naraht-20220823143200","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823150100","author":"Rslit"}"><span id="ooui-php-152" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>hi @<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rslit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rslit (page does not exist)">Rslit</a> and welcome to the help desk! firstly, please read <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">the conflict of interest guidelines</a> and the ones on <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAID">paid editing</a>, you need to disclose your COI before resuming edits on <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Baker_(journalist)" title="Peter Baker (journalist)">Peter Baker</a>. you can't just forward what he says onto wikipedia since we require everything, especially statements in <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIO">biographies of living persons</a>, to be <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Verifiable">verifiable</a>. you have to find published sources (ideally ones that are <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IS">independent</a> from the subject) through say, reputable news organizations: see <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">Reliable sources</a> for more on these. these are required as well, which is why your edits have been reverted (almost) immediately. and once these are all done, you can send a <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_request" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Edit request">Edit request</a> to the talk page of the article, in this case <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Peter_Baker_(journalist)" title="Talk:Peter Baker (journalist)">Talk:Peter Baker (journalist)</a> so that other editors can see if these edits are appropriate, helping you refine them if possible instead of just being striken down. happy editing! 💜 <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Melecie" title="User:Melecie"> melecie </a> <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Melecie" title="User talk:Melecie">talk</a> - 14:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Melecie-20220823143300-Rslit-20220823141100","replies":["c-Rslit-20220823150100-Melecie-20220823143300"],"timestamp":"20220823143300","author":"Melecie"}"><span id="ooui-php-153" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you so much, this is very helpful! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rslit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rslit (page does not exist)">Rslit</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rslit" title="User talk:Rslit">talk</a>) 15:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rslit-20220823150100-Melecie-20220823143300","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823150100","author":"Rslit"}"><span id="ooui-php-154" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Eastern_and_Western_Armenian" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Eastern_and_Western_Armenian-August_23-20220823143300","replies":["c-Sever_Juan-20220823143300-Eastern_and_Western_Armenian"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Sever_Juan-20220823143300"}">Eastern and Western Armenian[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Eastern and Western Armenian">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> I don't know how to rename this page. <a class="external free" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khachig_I_of_Armenia">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khachig_I_of_Armenia</a> It should be dubbed Khachik_I_of_Armenia. Khachig is a phonetic rendering according to Western Armenian pronounciation (and should not be used as a main form), while it should be rendered according to the orthograph of Eastern Armenian. <pre>The problem is larger: in scientific publications both Eastern and Western Armenian are rendered according to the phonetic values of classical Armenian (more similar to Eastern) <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sever_Juan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sever Juan (page does not exist)">Sever Juan</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sever_Juan" title="User talk:Sever Juan">talk</a>) 14:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sever_Juan-20220823143300-Eastern_and_Western_Armenian","replies":["c-GoingBatty-20220823164300-Sever_Juan-20220823143300"],"timestamp":"20220823143300","author":"Sever Juan"}"><span id="ooui-php-155" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </pre> <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sever_Juan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sever Juan (page does not exist)">Sever Juan</a>: Hi there! I suggest you start a discussion on the article's talk page: <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Khachig_I_of_Armenia" title="Talk:Khachig I of Armenia">Talk:Khachig I of Armenia</a>. If there is consensus (or no objection) to changing the article title, then see the instructions at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">Wikipedia:Requested moves</a>. Happy editing! <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GoingBatty" title="User:GoingBatty">GoingBatty</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GoingBatty" title="User talk:GoingBatty">talk</a>) 16:43, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GoingBatty-20220823164300-Sever_Juan-20220823143300","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823164300","author":"GoingBatty"}"><span id="ooui-php-156" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="PDFs_not_opening_correctly,_pages_shows_scrambled_code" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-PDFs_not_opening_correctly,_pages_shows_scrambled_code-August_23-20220823171400","replies":["c-184.191.131.129-20220823171400-PDFs_not_opening_correctly,_pages_shows_scrambled_code"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-184.191.131.129-20220823171400"}">PDFs not opening correctly, pages shows scrambled code[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: PDFs not opening correctly, pages shows scrambled code">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> We recently updated our wiki page with the newest version (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://hovpedia.hov.org/">https://hovpedia.hov.org/</a>). Now when we upload PDFs, we get a scrambled code page, see example: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://hovpedia.hov.org/img_auth.php/1/1f/Dream_Request_%26_Liability_Release_Forms_Fillable_2021.pdf">https://hovpedia.hov.org/img_auth.php/1/1f/Dream_Request_%26_Liability_Release_Forms_Fillable_2021.pdf</a> HELP!! Why is it not showing correctly. Thanks, Michelle <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/184.191.131.129" title="Special:Contributions/184.191.131.129">184.191.131.129</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:184.191.131.129&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:184.191.131.129 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 17:14, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-184.191.131.129-20220823171400-PDFs_not_opening_correctly,_pages_shows_scrambled_code","replies":["c-199.208.172.35-20220823172200-184.191.131.129-20220823171400"],"timestamp":"20220823171400","author":"184.191.131.129"}"><span id="ooui-php-157" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>IP user, this is a place to ask about using or editing English Wikipedia. If you have a question about the MediaWiki software, try <a class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220823203718/https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk">the MediaWiki support desk</a>. <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35" title="Special:Contributions/199.208.172.35">199.208.172.35</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:199.208.172.35" title="User talk:199.208.172.35">talk</a>) 17:22, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-199.208.172.35-20220823172200-184.191.131.129-20220823171400","replies":[],"timestamp":"20220823172200","author":"199.208.172.35"}"><span id="ooui-php-158" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <h2 class="ext-discussiontools-init-section"><span class="mw-headline" id="Question_about_Copyvio-revdel" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Question_about_Copyvio-revdel-August_23-20220823201800","replies":["c-KaraLG84-20220823201800-Question_about_Copyvio-revdel"],"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-KaraLG84-20220823201800"}">Question about Copyvio-revdel[<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Question about Copyvio-revdel">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></h2> Following the instructions at <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COPYVIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COPYVIO">WP:COPYVIO</a>, I've removed a section of <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Costelloe" title="Paul Costelloe">Paul Costelloe</a> as it was lifted from their website. Should I use <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyvio-revdel" title="Template:Copyvio-revdel">Template:Copyvio-revdel</a> even though the copyright infringing text was added in I believe 2017? <a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KaraLG84" title="User:KaraLG84">KaraLG84</a> (<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:KaraLG84" title="User talk:KaraLG84">talk</a>) 20:18, 23 August 2022 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KaraLG84-20220823201800-Question_about_Copyvio-revdel","replies":["c-Arch_dude-20220823203600-KaraLG84-20220823201800"],"timestamp":"20220823201800","author":"KaraLG84"}"><span id="ooui-php-159" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/web/20220823203718/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KaraLG84" title="User:KaraLG84">KaraLG84</a>: Yes. There is no time limit if the material is still in copyright. 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