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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wat_Wikipedia_nie_is_nie" title="Wikipedia:Wat Wikipedia nie is nie">nie 'n forum</a> vir 'n algemene bespreking van die artikel se onderwerp nie.</td> </tr><tr style="text-align: left;"> <td style="background-color: white; border: 1px solid #c0c090"> <ul><li>Plaas nuwe teks onder ou teks. <b class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://af.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nelson_Mandela&action=edit&section=new">Klik hier om 'n nuwe afdeling te begin</a></b>.</li> <li>Onderteken asb. jou plasings deur vier tildes (<code>~~~~</code>) te tik.</li> <li>Nuut by Wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Welkom_nuwelinge" title="Wikipedia:Welkom nuwelinge">Welkom</a>! <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Gebruikersportaal" title="Wikipedia:Gebruikersportaal">Kry antwoorde op jou vrae</a>.</li></ul> </td><td> <ul><li>Wees <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Beleefdheid" title="Wikipedia:Beleefdheid">beleefd</a> en wees verwelkomend teenoor nuwe gebruikers</li> <li>Neem aan dat ander gebruikers in goeder trou optree</li> <li>Vermy <i><a href="/wiki/Ad_hominem" title="Ad hominem">ad hominem</a></i>-argumente</li> <li>Vir geskille, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Geskilbeslegting" title="Wikipedia:Geskilbeslegting">versoek geskilbeslegting</a></li></ul> </td><td style="border-left: 1px solid #c0c090"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><b>Artikelriglyne</b></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Geen_oorspronklike_navorsing" title="Wikipedia:Geen oorspronklike navorsing">Geen oorspronklike navorsing</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutrale_standpunt" title="Wikipedia:Neutrale standpunt">Neutrale standpunt</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifieerbaarheid" title="Wikipedia:Verifieerbaarheid">Verifieerbaarheid</a></li></ul> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation" style="border-spacing:4px"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a 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href="https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=af.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-365&pages=Nelson+Mandela">Daaglikse bladtrekke</a></span> van Nelson Mandela </div> <div class="NavContent" style="font-weight:normal; background-color:transparent; text-align:left; background:#fffaef; border:1px dotted gray; padding:2px 4px; text-align: center;"> <p>'n Grafiek sou hier vertoon word, maar <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_205#Graph_extension_disabled_per_immediate_effect" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 205">grafieke is tydelik afgeskakel</a>. Besoek intussen gerus die interaktiewe grafiek by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=af.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-365&pages=Nelson+Mandela">pageviews.wmcloud.org</a></span>. </p> </div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Sjabloon:In_die_nuus" title="In the news"><img alt="In the news" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Globe_current.svg/47px-Globe_current.svg.png" decoding="async" width="47" height="46" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Globe_current.svg/71px-Globe_current.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Globe_current.svg/94px-Globe_current.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="321" data-file-height="312"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">'n Nuusitem in verband met Nelson Mandela is op 2 April 2018 op die <a href="/wiki/Tuisblad" title="Tuisblad">Tuisblad</a> onder <i><b><a href="/wiki/Sjabloon:Aktueel" title="Sjabloon:Aktueel">In die nuus</a></b></i> uitgelig.</td><td class="mbox-imageright"><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Tuisblad" title="Wikipedia"><img alt="Wikipedia" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg/40px-Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="37" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg/60px-Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg/80px-Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="103" data-file-height="94"/></a><figcaption>Wikipedia</figcaption></figure></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vertaalwerk" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vertaalwerk-2005-05-01T03:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vertaalwerk-2005-05-01T03:12:00.000Z"></span>Vertaalwerk<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vertaalwerk-2005-05-01T03:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nelson_Mandela&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section's source code: Vertaalwerk"><span>wysig bron</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alias-2005-05-01T03:12:00.000Z-Vertaalwerk"></span>Vergelyk asb die oorspronklike: </p><p><i>Versoenend, ... tree hy op as patriarg om wêreldwyd respek te ontlok, ook onder die wit Afrikaanse bevolking, wat tradisioneel eerder as "vyand" verklaar is.</i> </p><p>met </p><p><i>Versoenend, ... tree hy op as patriarg om wêreldwyd respek te ontlok, ook onder die wit Afrikaanse bevolking in Suid-Afrika, wat hom in die sogenaamde apartheidsjare as "vyand" aangesien het.</i> </p><p>Volgens my is die rigting van die "verklaring" omgekeer. Maw, van <i>wit bevolking wat as "vyand" verklaar is</i>, na <i>wat hom as "vyand" aangesien het</i>. Ek weet nie of dit veel saak maak nie, aangesien dit dalk in elkgeval in albei rigtings was. Maar miskien is hierdie ook 'n opinie, in welke geval dit sekerlik verwyder moet word. Kommentaar? </p><p>Ek sukkel ook nog bietjie om te byt aan "sogenaamde". Sal nog bietjie daaroor dink. --<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Alias" title="Gebruiker:Alias">Alias</a> 20:23, 4 08 2004 (UTC) </p> <ul><li>In verband met die "sogenaamde " apartheids-aspek: ek aanvaar dat die deursnee-leser die "sogenaamde" interpreteer in die sin van "om voor te gee wat dit nie is nie", eerder as "so genoem". In die lig van die artikel <a href="/wiki/Apartheid" title="Apartheid">Apartheid</a> kan daar weggedoen word met hierdie gebruik in al die artikels waar ek dit onnodig ingevoeg het. Dankie vir die riglyn(e).--<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:GerharBe" title="Gebruiker:GerharBe">GerharBe</a> 15:06, 14 09 2004 (UTC)</li></ul> <hr/> <p>Dankie vir die vertaling van "struggle" na <i>geveg</i>. Die struggle-begrip is aanvanklik ingeskryf omdat dit die term is waarmee die bepaalde groep 'n vereenselwiging het - dit word steeds daagliks na verwys - en dien dus as ontlening. Die struggle het wel met gevegte (opstande?) gepaard gegaan, maar om dit deurlopend (volgens die Engelse vertaling) as 'n "geveg = combat" aan te gee, strek te vêr. Dan liewer STRYD. Kommentaar?--<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:GerharBe" title="Gebruiker:GerharBe">GerharBe</a> 07:28, 7 Mrt 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Stryd is myns insiens definitief die beste vertaling. Ek hou *eintlik* meer van <i>struggle</i>, juis omdat dit 'n ontlening is met 'n baie spesifieke betekenis in die Suid-Afrikaanse konteks, maar stryd is net so goed. <a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Dewet" title="Gebruiker:Dewet">Dewet</a> 08:30, 7 Mrt 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Stribbeling, worsteling? <a href="/w/index.php?title=Gebruiker:Danielm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Gebruiker:Danielm (bladsy bestaan nie)">Danielm</a> 09:38, 7 Mrt 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Die <a href="/wiki/AWS" class="mw-redirect" title="AWS">AWS</a> gee <i>struggle</i>. Ja, in Suid-Afrika het dit wel 'n baie spesifieke betekenis, meer so as die woord "struggle" in Engels. Ek het egter al "stryd" gereeld gehoor in hierdie verband: stryd teen apartheid, ens. Miskien kan ons eerder 'n Afrikaanse woord gebruik en by eerste gebruik <i>struggle</i> in skuinsdruk en hakkies byvoeg. Dan kommunikeer ons optimaal. --<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Alias" title="Gebruiker:Alias">Alias</a> 21:57, 7 Mrt 2005 (UTC) <dl><dd>Ek het "geveg" volgens Alias se inset en "agtergeblewenes" = "agtergeblewe volke" nou verander :-) --<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:GerharBe" title="Gebruiker:GerharBe">GerharBe</a> 13:45, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p>Dan is daar die begrip breedweg verwysende na "bevryding", wat dalk beskryf moet word as 'n ekonomies-maatskaplike-politieke motief vir bevryding? Anders is bevryding (van wat?) vir die oningewyde te vaag. --<a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:GerharBe" title="Gebruiker:GerharBe">GerharBe</a> 13:45, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Mmm, dis waar ja - gaan gerus voort soos jy goed dink. 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Ten tye van Mandela se aanhouding was die tronksel ten volle toegerus met 'n privaat biblioteek, lessenaar en behoorlike bed. Sien <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://in.news.yahoo.com/lightbox/south-african-icon-nelson-mandela-dies-slideshow/nelson-mandela-s-cell-on-robben-island-1977-photo-1373584536096.html">Yahoo Nuus</a> </p><p>Dit word voorgestel dat die huidige foto van die tronksel vervang of verwyder word. Alternatiewelik behoort dit aangedui te word dat dit die toestand van Mandela se tronksel is vandat dit deur museum geadministreer word. </p> <dl><dd>Dis seker nie nodig om dit uit te haal nie. Ek stel voor jy opdateer die foto se onderskrif en voeg jou verwysing by. Sien ook <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://praag.co.za/?p=20224">http://praag.co.za/?p=20224</a>. Groete. <a href="/wiki/Gebruiker:Naudefj" title="Gebruiker:Naudefj">Frank</a> (<a href="/wiki/Gebruikerbespreking:Naudefj" title="Gebruikerbespreking:Naudefj">kontak</a>) <a href="https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:Nelson_Mandela#c-Naudefj-2013-12-09T05:24:00.000Z-Foto_van_Mandela_se_Tronksel_op_Robbeneiland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:24, 9 Desember 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naudefj-2013-12-09T05:24:00.000Z-Foto_van_Mandela_se_Tronksel_op_Robbeneiland"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">antwoord</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naudefj-2013-12-09T05:24:00.000Z-Foto_van_Mandela_se_Tronksel_op_Robbeneiland"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lid_van_Kommunistiese_Party" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lid_van_Kommunistiese_Party-2014-03-10T13:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lid_van_Kommunistiese_Party-2014-03-10T13:16:00.000Z"></span>Lid van Kommunistiese Party<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lid_van_Kommunistiese_Party-2014-03-10T13:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Bespreking:Nelson_Mandela&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section's source code: Lid van Kommunistiese Party"><span>wysig bron</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-41.151.207.87-2014-03-10T13:16:00.000Z-Lid_van_Kommunistiese_Party"></span>Sy lidmaatskap in die SAKP is noemenswaardig. 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