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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Typography" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Typography">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Typography</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Typography</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Typography</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Typography articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-low"><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Typography_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Typography articles">Low</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Low-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Release_Version_Criteria#Importance_of_topic" title="Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Criteria">importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Other_countries-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z-Other_countries"],"text":"Other countries","linkableTitle":"Other countries"}--><h2 id="Other_countries" data-mw-thread-id="h-Other_countries-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Other_countries-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z"></span>Other countries<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Other_countries-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Other countries"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Other_countries-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z-Other_countries"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-DirkvdM-2019-08-18T11:03:00.000Z-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z","timestamp":"2019-08-18T11:03:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Other_countries-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z-Other_countries"],"text":"Other countries","linkableTitle":"Other countries"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z-Other_countries"></span>The Registered Trademark symbol is not restricted to the United States and is also used in other countries, such as the United Kingdom. </p><p>Why limit the Article to the scope of the United States in such a way? </p> <dl><dd>Coca-Cola in China uses 注 in a circle (short for 注册商标 resigtered trademark) next to their Chinese trademark. No other Chinese company seem to do this. <a href="/wiki/User:Kakurady" title="User:Kakurady">Kakurady</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kakurady" title="User talk:Kakurady">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol#c-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z-Other_countries" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 3 January 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z-Other_countries"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z","author":"Kakurady","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z-Other_countries","replies":["c-DirkvdM-2019-08-18T11:03:00.000Z-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z-Other_countries"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DirkvdM-2019-08-18T11:03:00.000Z-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z"></span>I once heard that the symbol is meaningless in Europe because it's a US thing. So I decided to look that up, but the article is unclear on that.<a href="/wiki/User:DirkvdM" title="User:DirkvdM">DirkvdM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DirkvdM" title="User talk:DirkvdM">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol#c-DirkvdM-2019-08-18T11:03:00.000Z-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 18 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DirkvdM-2019-08-18T11:03:00.000Z-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-08-18T11:03:00.000Z","author":"DirkvdM","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DirkvdM-2019-08-18T11:03:00.000Z-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DirkvdM-2019-08-18T11:03:00.000Z-Kakurady-2017-01-03T22:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy"],"text":"Python Language Trademark Policy","linkableTitle":"Python Language Trademark Policy"}--><h2 id="Python_Language_Trademark_Policy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z"></span>Python Language Trademark Policy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Python Language Trademark Policy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy","timestamp":"2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy"],"text":"Python Language Trademark Policy","linkableTitle":"Python Language Trademark Policy"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy"></span>Should we mention Python's trademark policy in this article? It seems like that information is not adding a lot of value here. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dprust&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dprust (page does not exist)">Dprust</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dprust" title="User talk:Dprust">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol#c-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z","author":"Dprust","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dprust-2011-11-29T19:36:00.000Z-Python_Language_Trademark_Policy"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wikipedia_policy?-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z-Wikipedia_policy?"],"text":"Wikipedia policy?","linkableTitle":"Wikipedia policy?"}--><h2 id="Wikipedia_policy?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia_policy?-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia_policy.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia_policy?-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia policy?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia_policy?-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Wikipedia policy?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wikipedia_policy?-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z-Wikipedia_policy?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Tomas_e-2014-09-17T20:22:00.000Z-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z","timestamp":"2014-09-17T20:22:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wikipedia_policy?-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z-Wikipedia_policy?"],"text":"Wikipedia policy?","linkableTitle":"Wikipedia policy?"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z-Wikipedia_policy?"></span>Is there a working policy on the use of this symbol in articles? The question arose with the latest edit of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Genuine_wealth_assessment&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Genuine wealth assessment (page does not exist)">Genuine wealth assessment</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Gabriel_Kielland" title="User:Gabriel Kielland">Gabriel Kielland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gabriel_Kielland" title="User talk:Gabriel Kielland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol#c-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z-Wikipedia_policy?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z-Wikipedia_policy?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z","author":"Gabriel Kielland","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z-Wikipedia_policy?","replies":["c-Tomas_e-2014-09-17T20:22:00.000Z-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z-Wikipedia_policy?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tomas_e-2014-09-17T20:22:00.000Z-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z"></span>As a general rule, don't use them. See <a href="/wiki/MOS:TMRULES" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:TMRULES">MOS:TMRULES</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Tomas_e" title="User:Tomas e">Tomas e</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tomas_e" title="User talk:Tomas e">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol#c-Tomas_e-2014-09-17T20:22:00.000Z-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 17 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tomas_e-2014-09-17T20:22:00.000Z-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-09-17T20:22:00.000Z","author":"Tomas e","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tomas_e-2014-09-17T20:22:00.000Z-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tomas_e-2014-09-17T20:22:00.000Z-Gabriel_Kielland-2012-11-29T12:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Second_paragraph_is_confusing-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z-Second_paragraph_is_confusing"],"text":"Second paragraph is confusing","linkableTitle":"Second paragraph is confusing"}--><h2 id="Second_paragraph_is_confusing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Second_paragraph_is_confusing-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Second_paragraph_is_confusing-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z"></span>Second paragraph is confusing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Second_paragraph_is_confusing-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Second paragraph is confusing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Second_paragraph_is_confusing-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z-Second_paragraph_is_confusing"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z-Second_paragraph_is_confusing","timestamp":"2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Second_paragraph_is_confusing-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z-Second_paragraph_is_confusing"],"text":"Second paragraph is confusing","linkableTitle":"Second paragraph is confusing"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z-Second_paragraph_is_confusing"></span>The second paragraph starts talking about "Trademarks not officially registered", then says "The proper manner to display these symbols...is commonly in superscript style but is not legally required." This appears to address the styling of unregistered trademarks and service marks, but how registered trademarks are supposed to be styled does not appear to be addressed anywhere. <a href="/wiki/User:Nmalinoski" title="User:Nmalinoski">natmal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nmalinoski" title="User talk:Nmalinoski">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol#c-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z-Second_paragraph_is_confusing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:05, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z-Second_paragraph_is_confusing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z","author":"Nmalinoski","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z-Second_paragraph_is_confusing","replies":[],"displayName":"natmal"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nmalinoski-2016-02-24T20:05:00.000Z-Second_paragraph_is_confusing"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Timbuk-2-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Trademark_Symbol\"_article_vs._\"Registered_Trademark_Symbol\"_article:_\"Trademark-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Timbuk-2-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z-\"Trademark_Symbol\"_article_vs._\"Registered_Trademark_Symbol\"_article:_\"Trademark"],"text":"\"Trademark Symbol\" article vs. \"Registered Trademark Symbol\" article: \"Trademark\" disambiguation page needed?","linkableTitle":"\"Trademark Symbol\" article vs. \"Registered Trademark Symbol\" article: \"Trademark\" disambiguation page needed?"}--><h2 id=""Trademark_Symbol"_article_vs._"Registered_Trademark_Symbol"_article:_"Trademark"_disambiguation_page_needed?" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Trademark_Symbol"_article_vs._"Registered_Trademark_Symbol"_article:_"Trademark-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z"><span id=".22Trademark_Symbol.22_article_vs._.22Registered_Trademark_Symbol.22_article:_.22Trademark.22_disambiguation_page_needed.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Trademark_Symbol"_article_vs._"Registered_Trademark_Symbol"_article:_"Trademark-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z"></span>"Trademark Symbol" article vs. "Registered Trademark Symbol" article: "Trademark" disambiguation page needed?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Trademark_Symbol"_article_vs._"Registered_Trademark_Symbol"_article:_"Trademark-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: "Trademark Symbol" article vs. "Registered Trademark Symbol" article: "Trademark" disambiguation page needed?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Timbuk-2-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Trademark_Symbol\"_article_vs._\"Registered_Trademark_Symbol\"_article:_\"Trademark-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Timbuk-2-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z-\"Trademark_Symbol\"_article_vs._\"Registered_Trademark_Symbol\"_article:_\"Trademark"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Timbuk-2-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z-\"Trademark_Symbol\"_article_vs._\"Registered_Trademark_Symbol\"_article:_\"Trademark","timestamp":"2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Timbuk-2-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Trademark_Symbol\"_article_vs._\"Registered_Trademark_Symbol\"_article:_\"Trademark-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Timbuk-2-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z-\"Trademark_Symbol\"_article_vs._\"Registered_Trademark_Symbol\"_article:_\"Trademark"],"text":"\"Trademark Symbol\" article vs. \"Registered Trademark Symbol\" article: \"Trademark\" disambiguation page needed?","linkableTitle":"\"Trademark Symbol\" article vs. \"Registered Trademark Symbol\" article: \"Trademark\" disambiguation page needed?"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timbuk-2-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z-"Trademark_Symbol"_article_vs._"Registered_Trademark_Symbol"_article:_"Trademark"></span>The articles for "Trademark Symbol" and "Registered Trademark Symbol" are not well cross-correlated. Should there be an overall "Trademark" disambiguation page to include those two, as well as "Service Mark" and the "Trademark" article itself? At a minimum, I would encourage improvements to the existing articles to explicate, at the top of each article, the differences. I (perhaps like the general public?) was unaware that all those distinctions are important but I belatedly found that out as a result of my confusion browsing those pages. Just a thought. (Also: here is a useful Forbes article on the subject: <sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> <a href="/wiki/User:Timbuk-2" title="User:Timbuk-2">Timbuk-2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timbuk-2" title="User talk:Timbuk-2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol#c-Timbuk-2-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z-"Trademark_Symbol"_article_vs._"Registered_Trademark_Symbol"_article:_"Trademark" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timbuk-2-2018-01-14T21:14:00.000Z-"Trademark_Symbol"_article_vs._"Registered_Trademark_Symbol"_article:_"Trademark"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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.cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFGunelius2014" class="citation web cs1">Gunelius, Susan (12 March 2014). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/work-in-progress/2014/03/12/when-and-how-do-i-have-to-use-trademark-symbols/#48ea7e5dc0af">"When and How Do I Have to Use Trademark Symbols?"</a>. <i>Forbes</i><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">14 January</span> 2018</span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Forbes&rft.atitle=When+and+How+Do+I+Have+to+Use+Trademark+Symbols%3F&rft.date=2014-03-12&rft.aulast=Gunelius&rft.aufirst=Susan&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fwork-in-progress%2F2014%2F03%2F12%2Fwhen-and-how-do-i-have-to-use-trademark-symbols%2F%2348ea7e5dc0af&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3ARegistered+trademark+symbol" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Cite has empty unknown parameter: <code class="cs1-code">|dead-url=</code> (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#param_unknown_empty" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Info123.1234-20230625080600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Trademark_dispute_case-20230625080600","replies":["c-Info123.1234-20230625080600-Trademark_dispute_case"],"text":"Trademark dispute case","linkableTitle":"Trademark dispute case"}--><h2 id="Trademark_dispute_case" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trademark_dispute_case-20230625080600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trademark_dispute_case-20230625080600"></span>Trademark dispute case<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trademark_dispute_case-20230625080600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Trademark dispute case"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Info123.1234-20230625080600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Trademark_dispute_case-20230625080600","replies":["c-Info123.1234-20230625080600-Trademark_dispute_case"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-John_Maynard_Friedman-20230625111200-Info123.1234-20230625080600","timestamp":"20230625111200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Info123.1234-20230625080600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Trademark_dispute_case-20230625080600","replies":["c-Info123.1234-20230625080600-Trademark_dispute_case"],"text":"Trademark dispute case","linkableTitle":"Trademark dispute case"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Info123.1234-20230625080600-Trademark_dispute_case"></span>Did you read about this <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65624635">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65624635</a> can this be added on Wikipedia? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Info123.1234&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Info123.1234 (page does not exist)">Info123.1234</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Info123.1234" title="User talk:Info123.1234">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol#c-Info123.1234-20230625080600-Trademark_dispute_case" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Info123.1234-20230625080600-Trademark_dispute_case"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230625080600","author":"Info123.1234","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Info123.1234-20230625080600-Trademark_dispute_case","replies":["c-John_Maynard_Friedman-20230625111200-Info123.1234-20230625080600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Info123.1234-20230625080600-Trademark_dispute_case"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Maynard_Friedman-20230625111200-Info123.1234-20230625080600"></span>No, because it is not about the trademark symbol. (And it is not an unusual trademark dispute – such cases are quite common – so I can't see that it would find a place in any other Wikipedia article.) --<a href="/wiki/User:John_Maynard_Friedman" class="mw-redirect" title="User:John Maynard Friedman">𝕁𝕄𝔽</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Maynard_Friedman" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:John Maynard Friedman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol#c-John_Maynard_Friedman-20230625111200-Info123.1234-20230625080600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:12, 25 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Maynard_Friedman-20230625111200-Info123.1234-20230625080600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230625111200","author":"John Maynard Friedman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-John_Maynard_Friedman-20230625111200-Info123.1234-20230625080600","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud835\udd41\ud835\udd44\ud835\udd3d"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Maynard_Friedman-20230625111200-Info123.1234-20230625080600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Warenzeichen_symbol-20240916081300","replies":["c-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300-Warenzeichen_symbol"],"text":"Warenzeichen symbol","linkableTitle":"Warenzeichen symbol"}--><h2 id="Warenzeichen_symbol" data-mw-thread-id="h-Warenzeichen_symbol-20240916081300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Warenzeichen_symbol-20240916081300"></span>Warenzeichen symbol<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Warenzeichen_symbol-20240916081300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Warenzeichen symbol"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Warenzeichen_symbol-20240916081300","replies":["c-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300-Warenzeichen_symbol"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-JMF-20240916101800-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300","timestamp":"20240916101800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Warenzeichen_symbol-20240916081300","replies":["c-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300-Warenzeichen_symbol"],"text":"Warenzeichen symbol","linkableTitle":"Warenzeichen symbol"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300-Warenzeichen_symbol"></span>In section <i>Related and similar symbols</i> can you please add </p> <ul><li>The Warenzeichen symbol, <span class="nounderlines" style="border: 1px solid var(--border-color-muted,#ddd); color: var(--color-base); background-color: var( --background-color-neutral-subtle, #fdfdfd); padding: 1px 1px;">🄮</span>, used in German dictionaries for trademarks without statement on legal status</li></ul> <p>I cannot do this because of the Emoji edit filter. Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF" title="Special:Contributions/2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF">2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol#c-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300-Warenzeichen_symbol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300-Warenzeichen_symbol"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240916081300","author":"2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300-Warenzeichen_symbol","replies":["c-JMF-20240916101800-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300-Warenzeichen_symbol"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMF-20240916101800-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. I have also corrected the section title. --<a href="/wiki/User:JMF" title="User:JMF">𝕁𝕄𝔽</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMF" title="User talk:JMF">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registered_trademark_symbol#c-JMF-20240916101800-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMF-20240916101800-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240916101800","author":"JMF","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JMF-20240916101800-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud835\udd41\ud835\udd44\ud835\udd3d"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMF-20240916101800-2A02:8071:5840:A0C0:C59B:8204:76C:86AF-20240916081300"></span></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐f69cdc8f6‐jfl4j Cached time: 20241125082421 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, vary‐revision‐id, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.015 seconds CPU time usage: 0.316 seconds Real time usage: 0.397 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 275/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 11277/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 7/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 9/100 Expensive parser function count: 4/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 1/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 13943/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.216/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 3103646/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 319.121 1 -total 57.88% 184.713 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 38.84% 123.961 1 Template:Reflist-talk 37.14% 118.521 1 Template:Reflist 31.71% 101.199 1 Template:Cite_web 30.14% 96.169 1 Template:WikiProject_Typography 0.89% 2.845 2 Template:Snd 0.82% 2.612 1 Template:Char 0.64% 2.029 1 Template:Done 0.54% 1.709 1 Template:Main_other --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:19816548-0!canonical and timestamp 20241125082421 and revision id 1246002519. 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