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Police Admit Detective Pulled Out Gun During Snowball Fight">D.C. Police Admit Detective Pulled Out Gun During Snowball Fight</a></h1> <p class="blog-byline"><span id="blog-byline-bold">Posted by <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/author/jcherkis/" title="Posts by Jason Cherkis">Jason Cherkis</a></span> on Dec. 20, 2009, at 5:39 pm</p> <div class="blog-bodycontent"> <p>The D.C. Police Department's press office sent out a press release this afternoon concerning the yesterday's <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/12/19/did-d-c-cops-overreact-to-snowball-fight-14th-and-u/">cop vs. snowball incident</a>. Finally, they admit what everyone else knew yesterday---except the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://bsom.blogspot.com/2009/12/washpost-relents-on-plainclothes.html">Washington Post</a>---that off-duty D.C. detective did pull out a pistol when facing down the crowd of snowball fighters at 14th and U Streets NW. But, in a curious move, the press officers write an entire narrative of events without mentioning that the detective pulled his gun. It's only at the end of the press release that they mention it:</p> <blockquote><p>"The original videotape footage shown yesterday by a local media outlet did not appear to visibly show the off-duty member drawing his weapon during the course of his actions. However, the department has subsequently received additional images and statements that would seem to support the allegation that the off-duty member did pull a gun. The Metropolitan Police Department is intent on conducting a full investigation in determining all of the exact circumstances surrounding this incident."</p></blockquote> <p>So what else did they leave out? The detective's name.</p> <p>Full press release after the jump. Tell us if the cops omitted anything else or got something wrong.</p> <p><span id="more-40448"></span></p> <p>The release titled "Incident Involving Snowball Throwing Crowd In The 1400 Block Of U Street NW," states:</p> <blockquote><p>"The Metropolitan Police Department is looking into the circumstances involving the report of officers 'pulling their guns' on a crowd that had been throwing snowballs in the area of 14th and U Streets, NW.</p> <p>On Saturday, December 19, 2009, an off-duty MPD member was reportedly operating his personal vehicle in the 1400 block of U Street, NW, when the vehicle was suddenly pelted with a barrage of snowballs. The member who was in plainclothes, stopped his vehicle to inspect for any damage that may have occurred. He then reportedly identified himself and went to investigate a crowd that had gathered as being the possible origins of the projectiles. Due to the number of individuals in the crowd and developing traffic conditions, the member called for assistance.</p> <p>Arriving officers from the Third District responded to the scene for the report of a possible man with a gun incident unfolding at that location. Responding officers cautiously approached the scene as is protocol with a potentially dangerous assignment such as an armed individual, but at this time there is no evidence that they pointed any weapons in the direction of the crowd or at any individuals. Those officers were quickly able to ascertain that the individual in question was indeed a fellow sworn member and were able to deescalate the situation quickly without incident or injury.</p> <p>The original videotape footage shown yesterday by a local media outlet did not appear to visibly show the off-duty member drawing his weapon during the course of his actions. However, the department has subsequently received additional images and statements that would seem to support the allegation that the off-duty member did pull a gun. The Metropolitan Police Department is intent on conducting a full investigation in determining all of the exact circumstances surrounding this incident.</p> <p>The Metropolitan Police Department has truly appreciated the cooperation from the community as we all team together to tackle the many challenges encountered during these severe weather conditions."</p></blockquote> <div class="linkwithin_hook" id="http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/12/20/d-c-police-admit-detective-pulled-out-gun-during-snowball-fight/"></div><script> var linkwithin_site_id = 35311; (function () { var elem = document.createElement('script'); elem.type = 'text/javascript'; elem.src = 'http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.linkwithin.com/widget.js?rand=' + Math.random(); document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(elem); })(); </script> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.linkwithin.com/"><img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949im_/http://www.linkwithin.com/pixel.png" alt="Blog Widget by LinkWithin" style="border: 0"/></a> <div class="postmetadata"> <div class="share_button"> <!-- AddThis Button BEGIN --> <script type="text/javascript">var addthis_pub="washingtoncitypaper"; var addthis_options="facebook, twitter, google, yahoobkm, digg, reddit, myspace, delicious, email, more";</script><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php" onmouseover="return addthis_open(this, '', 'http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtoncitypaper.com%2Fblogs%2Fcitydesk%2F2009%2F12%2F20%2Fd-c-police-admit-detective-pulled-out-gun-during-snowball-fight%2F', 'D.C.+Police+Admit+Detective+Pulled+Out+Gun+During+Snowball+Fight')" onmouseout="addthis_close()" onclick="return addthis_sendto()"><img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949im_/http://s7.addthis.com/static/btn/sm-share-en.gif" width="83" height="16" border="0" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949js_/http://s7.addthis.com/js/152/addthis_widget.js"></script> <!-- AddThis Button END --> </div> <div class="posttags"> Tags: <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/tag/14th-and-u-streets-nw/" rel="tag">14th and U Streets NW</a>, <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/tag/cathy-lanier/" rel="tag">Cathy Lanier</a>, <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/tag/d-c-police-department/" rel="tag">D.C Police Department</a>, <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/tag/hummer/" rel="tag">Hummer</a>, <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/tag/metropolitan-police-department/" rel="tag">metropolitan Police Department</a>, <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/tag/snomg/" rel="tag">snOMG</a>, <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/tag/snowball-fight/" rel="tag">snowball fight</a> </div> </div> <div class="navigation"> <div class="nav_previous">previous<br><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/12/20/watch-war-of-words-between-d-c-cop-and-snowballers/">Watch: War Of Words Between D.C. 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Because this is not the kind of person I want serving me and my community. He threatened and scared people and acted in a dangerous manner</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-701457"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">G</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701457" title=""> December 20th, 2009<br/> 6:46 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#2</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>Were you out there during the snowball fight, Sarah?</p> <p>I would like to file a Citizen Complaint against you and the rest of the mob and I encourage all others to do the same. </p> <p>Why? Because you and your friends are not the kind of people I want in my community. You all threatened and scared people and acted in a dangerous manner.</p> <p>Seriously, throwing snowballs across an intersection and hitting passing cars is reckless, irresponsible, and childish. Next time, take your romper room snow-party to a park, but don't even think about calling the cops if things spiral out of control and someone gets their ass kicked.</p> </div> </li> <li class="alt" id="comment-701467"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">Ben</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701467" title=""> December 20th, 2009<br/> 7:13 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#3</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>Yes G, snowball fights commonly "spiral out of control", leading to bloodshed. </p> <p>Parents! Please, talk to your children about snowball fighting...before it's too late!</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-701468"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">Jason Cherkis</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701468" title=""> December 20th, 2009<br/> 7:18 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#4</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>SarahM if you are considering filing a citizen complaint you can do so with the Office of Police Complaints:</p> <p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://policecomplaints.dc.gov/occr/site/default.asp" rel="nofollow">http://policecomplaints.dc.gov/occr/site/default.asp</a></p> </div> </li> <li class="alt" id="comment-701472"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">Dave</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701472" title=""> December 20th, 2009<br/> 7:30 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#5</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>I left just prior to the incident after taking some photos of the snowball fight. From what I could tell it was a bunch of people just having a great time. I left with a smile on my face thinking about a group of random strangers having a blast together. There were a couple rare cars that went by, but they weren't being intentionally pelted and I think most people thought it was great. I wonder what kind of reaction this guy would have had if the situation was actually dangerous. Would he have gone farther than unholstering his weapon? The man obviously had no self control. Just my 2 cents.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-701477"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">Former Staffer</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701477" title=""> December 20th, 2009<br/> 7:58 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#6</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>Improper use of force. But the DCPD is about as accountable as Metro. That Detective will be on the force as long as Catoe is GM.</p> </div> </li> <li class="alt" id="comment-701544"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">Truth Hurts</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701544" title=""> December 20th, 2009<br/> 10:21 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#7</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>What did MPD leave out? Why they didn't ask the detective yesterday if he drew his gun. WTF!!</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-701569"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">Kevin</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701569" title=""> December 20th, 2009<br/> 11:53 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#8</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>This is not accurate. I was not 50 feet from the Hummer and the detective when he got out of his vehicle.</p> <p>While the planners of the event apparently were a small group of Twitter-using anti-war protesters, this became an everybody-join-in-the-fun neighborhood snowball fight. Plenty of people (like me) were just passing neighbors having a blast. I've seen reports about "enviro-wackos" and "Twittering hipsters." Bizarre. I'm a 46 year-old neighborhood resident of 8 years who was enjoying taking photos of the event. There were whites, blacks, Latinos and Asians joining in. It was just good fun. It did not have to end like it did.</p> <p>FROM THE POLICE STATEMENT: "The member who was in plainclothes, stopped his vehicle to inspect for any damage that may have occurred."</p> <p>WRONG. The vehicle was stopped at the light when the barrage of mushy snowballs hit his car. He never "inspected" his vehicle. He got out and immediately walked around to the right side of the Hummer where the snowball came from and drew his gun within 10 seconds. </p> <p>FROM THE POLICE STATEMENT: "He then reportedly identified himself and went to investigate a crowd that had gathered as being the possible origins of the projectiles. Due to the number of individuals in the crowd and developing traffic conditions, the member called for assistance."</p> <p>WRONG. He never identified himself and never showed a badge. He took the gun from the holster on his right hip and then moved it to his left hand. He then pulled out a walkie talkie with his right hand on which he called for backup (I assume). The officer was hit by snowballs twice during this time (an incredibly stupid thing by whoever did it). There were no "developing traffic conditions" other than a couple cars stopped behind him when he got out of his car in the middle of the street.</p> <p>The officer never pointed the weapon at anyone but he did hold it up.</p> <p>All of the cars that were struck before this were either stopped at the light or going no more than 5 mph. The snow was so mushy you could barely make it stick together. These were not hard iceballs. The actual risk to drivers or passengers was VERY small.</p> <p>While snowball-throwing on the street is not something to encourage, numerous police had driven by without intervening. Some had even stopped and observed for a while before leaving. I even witnessed one officer drive past while holding up an iPhone taking photos or video of the scene. He was grinning.</p> <p>This would be a non-event if the detective in the Hummer had either driven away like the other police did, or (if he felt the need to enforce the letter of the law) gotten out and approached the crowd holding up a badge rather than a gun.</p> <p>Bottom line: In my opinion the detective was WAY OVERBOARD by responding with a drawn weapon. It is frightening to think that a man with his judgment carries a badge in our city. Think about all the tense situations he must be involved with where there are not cameras rolling.</p> <p>In my opinion Detective Baylor should be disciplined.</p> <p>------</p> <p>P.S. - I didn't get video of the incident with the officer because my battery had run down on my phone, but I did get this 30 seconds of the harmless snowball fight: <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-q5UjjuOX0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-q5UjjuOX0</a></p> </div> </li> <li class="alt" id="comment-701577"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">bruce</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701577" title=""> December 21st, 2009<br/> 12:43 am </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#9</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>@G : you are an idiot and we should hit you in the face with ice balls for even supporting this. Do you have a curly tail, like a pig? F the police. What if we pulled a gun? You think he would have asked if we were a cop? But he can just wield it without answering to the people? F him and take away his job.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-701698"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">Jim 2009</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701698" title=""> December 21st, 2009<br/> 11:12 am </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#10</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>Just a friendly reminder, someone was sentenced to prison time for hurling ice at a fotball game in the late 1990's. Secondly an officer must look at the totality of the circumstances when assessing a potentially hazardous situation. This officer was clearly outnumbered by a hostile crowd who was in fact causing property damage.</p> </div> </li> <li class="alt" id="comment-701720"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">joan</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701720" title=""> December 21st, 2009<br/> 12:10 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#11</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>Can you explain to me please how a DC police officer can afford a Hummer?</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-701761"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">Paula Product</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701761" title=""> December 21st, 2009<br/> 1:59 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#12</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>If you've been around long enough to make detective, you can afford a Hummer, if that's what you want to spend your money on. (It might surprise you how cheaply Hummer's could be leased, even before gas prices made their late-decade jump.) The gas to keep the thing running is another matter. A better question would be what the hell he was doing out driving it around if he wasn't on duty or on his way to or from duty (and the reports so far indicate he wasn't).</p> <p>Sadly, Detective Baylor's behavior reinforces the stereotypes of both Hummer drivers and bad cops: thin-skinned people who desperately seek out the trappings of power (a badge, a gun, an oversized SUV complete with "FOP" license plate - all the better to remind others you're the Man, and get out of traffic tickets to boot) to compensate for cowardice, low self-esteem, or other deficiency.</p> <p>Jim - Thanks for the "friendly reminder," but I'm not sure how it's even relevant that someone, sometime in the past, was prosecuted for endangering others with ice. People do indeed get hurt in snowball fights which, like so many other fun winter activities (sledding, skiing) can be dangerous. But that doesn't mean it's appropriate to confront the people engaged in those activities with a firearm. More to the point, no one was being hurt (and if current reports are to be believed, little or no property damaged) in Saturday's mass snowball fight. Police should indeed assess the totality of the situation, as you say. Here, the videos and MPD's own statements indicate that Detective Baylor failed to do so. Note how, by contrast, the many videos of this incident show the other MPD officers on the scene handling this difficult situation very well. They don't seem to have felt the need to brandish their weapons or get out the riot gear. Unlike Detective Baylor, they don't lose their cool. Indeed, they don't seem to lose their composure despite the repeated taunts of "pig" etc. from those in the crowd (mostly at Baylor, but at the other officers too). And none appear to follow the lead of Det. Baylor in grabbing and shoving people in the crowd, even though Baylor probably outranks every officer at the scene.</p> </div> </li> <li class="alt" id="comment-701786"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author"><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091224125949/http://looselips.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Five to Go</a></cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701786" title=""> December 21st, 2009<br/> 2:36 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#13</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>Now I get it! These so-called "kids" now understand how minorities feel when the police pull guns on them, for no reason. They do not like it. Howerever, in this case a projectile was thrown-a snowball, and the police detective did'nt like it. I am so thankful that the uniformed cops did not shoot the detective. If this was New York city, I'm sure that the detective could have been shot. Grown-ass adults should behave in an adult manner, not like children. Especially adults that claim they are Washingtonians. A real Washingtonian would have known better than to throw snowballs at complete strangers cars, because the real Washingtonians would know that if the driver gets out of his/her car or truck, a "BIG CAN OF Whip-Ass" was coming.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-701913"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">Consider This</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-701913" title=""> December 21st, 2009<br/> 9:01 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#14</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>It is particularly disconcerting that the official police report of the incident describes Detective Baylor's motive for alighting from his vehicle "to inspect for any damage that may have occurred."</p> <p>PUH-LEASE!! THAT'S insulting and patently bogus. He was, in obvious fact, getting out of his car to confront the person(s) who had the audacity to toss a snowball at his Hummer. It is quite disturbing that such obvious 'spin' (fiction) is allowed in an OFFICIAL statement/report. One would hope for more HONESTY from the police – indeed, it makes one wonder about the veracity of ANY police report, particularly those written without the benefit of such compelling video evidence…</p> <p>If pulling a GLOCK is this OFF-DUTY cop's first thought/reaction - sorry, the dude should be behind a desk – unarmed. This guy’s a prime example of the theory that "Anyone who WANTS to be a cop, SHOULD NOT be allowed to BE a cop."</p> </div> </li> <li class="alt" id="comment-702165"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">John Q. Citizen</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-702165" title=""> December 22nd, 2009<br/> 11:43 am </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#15</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>Thanks to Mr. G's comments above , I want to file Citizens complaint against the Snowballers. too.</p> <p> The snowballers were in the Wrong, they were in the street blocking traffic , throwing objects at each other. It looked like a riot. Who is to say everyone was throwing snow?, If you drove up to a scene like that at 14th &amp; U street and your vehicle got hit and you felt violated . </p> <p>What did you expect a Police Officer to do Ignore it? </p> <p>This is no public park, it is a busy Metropolitan intersection. In these days of Homeland Security concerns and terrorist activity ; do you expect the actions of 200 people in the street trowing things to go unchallenged in the Nations Capital? </p> <p> ((If you do your on drugs..on in a dope haze or something.wait for the next IMF or Bankers meeting.)) </p> <p>Personally I am glad the cop Stopped got out, radioed for backup and went to go find the 'dummy' who threw a snowball at him even when he was armed standing there and got pelted with a snowball. The Police officer showed obvious restraint.<br/> The crowd didn't show any restraint;they were taunting, shouting F bombs and the crowd should have been arrested ; but police officers are in short supply during a snow emergency.<br/> Where do you snowballers get off and take any responsibility for your actions? You don't you act like spoiled brats. These city streets are not here for your snowball fights. Grow Up and find a park to play in children..</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-702172"> <div class="comment_header"> <cite class="comment_author">Frank</cite> <small class="comment_metadata"> <a href="#comment-702172" title=""> December 22nd, 2009<br/> 12:15 pm </a> </small> </div> <div class="comment_number">#16</div> <div class="comment_body"> <p>give me a break.... He lost his cool...<br/> Snowball fights have been around as long as snow.<br/> Cops think they are GOD! I was a detective for<br/> 10 years in Maryland and let me tell you. He was<br/> wrong taking the action he did. Just like so many<br/> Govt. departments... They are not what they used to<br/> be.... very sad.... 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