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Does anyone here know why that was not done? Can we fix it ourselves? (As far as I can see, the talk page <i>was</i> moved when "Elfdalian" was moved to "Elfdalian dialect" a couple of weeks ago.) <a href="/wiki/User:Felix_ahlner" title="User:Felix ahlner">Felix ahlner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Felix_ahlner" title="User talk:Felix ahlner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-Felix_ahlner-2013-05-06T12:22:00.000Z-Why_was_the_talke_page_not_moved?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felix_ahlner-2013-05-06T12:22:00.000Z-Why_was_the_talke_page_not_moved?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-06T12:22:00.000Z","author":"Felix ahlner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Felix_ahlner-2013-05-06T12:22:00.000Z-Why_was_the_talke_page_not_moved?","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felix_ahlner-2013-05-06T12:22:00.000Z-Why_was_the_talke_page_not_moved?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Morphology-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z-Morphology&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Morphology&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Morphology&quot;}--><h2 id="Morphology" data-mw-thread-id="h-Morphology-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Morphology-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z"></span>Morphology<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Morphology-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elfdalian&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: Morphology"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Morphology-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z-Morphology"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Peter_Isotalo-2014-07-14T20:54:00.000Z-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z","timestamp":"2014-07-14T20:54:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Morphology-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z-Morphology&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Morphology&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Morphology&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><b><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z-Morphology"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Peter_Isotalo" title="User:Peter Isotalo">Peter Isotalo</a>:</span></b> I appreciate your efforts to make the paragraphs clearer, and generally I think you have succeeded. However, using the plural "separate definite articles (as in English)" is a little inaccurate or misleading since English has only one definite article ("the"). Can you either use the singular "a definite article" or "one or more definite articles" before "as in English"? <a href="/wiki/User:CorinneSD" class="mw-redirect" title="User:CorinneSD">CorinneSD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CorinneSD" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:CorinneSD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z-Morphology" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z-Morphology"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z","author":"CorinneSD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z-Morphology","replies":["c-Peter_Isotalo-2014-07-14T20:54:00.000Z-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z-Morphology"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_Isotalo-2014-07-14T20:54:00.000Z-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z"></span>I was writing with several occurrences in mind, but I get your point. It's now fix-ed.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Peter_Isotalo" title="User:Peter Isotalo">Peter</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_Isotalo" title="User talk:Peter Isotalo">Isotalo</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-Peter_Isotalo-2014-07-14T20:54:00.000Z-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 14 July 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_Isotalo-2014-07-14T20:54:00.000Z-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-14T20:54:00.000Z","author":"Peter Isotalo","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Peter_Isotalo-2014-07-14T20:54:00.000Z-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Peter"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_Isotalo-2014-07-14T20:54:00.000Z-CorinneSD-2014-07-14T20:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Conservatism-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z-Conservatism&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Conservatism&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Conservatism&quot;}--><h2 id="Conservatism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Conservatism-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Conservatism-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span>Conservatism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Conservatism-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elfdalian&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="Edit section: Conservatism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Conservatism-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z-Conservatism"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-V\u00e4rml\u00e4ndsk_lingvist-2018-01-10T22:03:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z","timestamp":"2018-01-10T22:03:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__8__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__5__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Conservatism-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z-Conservatism&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Conservatism&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Conservatism&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z-Conservatism"></span>So, this language is very conservative. Is it more conservative than Icelandic, which is generally considered the most conservative of the Germanic languages, maintaining intelligibility with Old Norse? <a href="/wiki/User:Correctrix" title="User:Correctrix">Correctrix</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Correctrix" title="User talk:Correctrix">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z-Conservatism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:36, 24 May 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z-Conservatism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z","author":"Correctrix","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z-Conservatism","replies":["c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z","c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:28:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z","c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z","c-V\u00e4rml\u00e4ndsk_lingvist-2018-01-10T22:03:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z-Conservatism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span>By and large, it's much less conservative. (But arguably more conservative than German, at least in its more-or-less standardized form.) However, in complicated things like languages you can always find details that go against the general pattern. Such details in Elfdalian vs. Icelandic are e.g. the nasal vowels or the "w" sound. (With respect to ”w”, English too is more conservative than Icelandic.) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.248.231.252" title="Special:Contributions/83.248.231.252">83.248.231.252</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:83.248.231.252" title="User talk:83.248.231.252">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z","author":"83.248.231.252","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T13:53:00.000Z-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T13:53:00.000Z-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z"></span>Another such detail is the quantity (length) of stressed syllables, where Elfdalian has largely stuck to the liberal medieval rules, whereas Icelandic has joined most of the other North Germanic dialects in evening it out. On the other hand, Elfdalian (along with other northern Scandinavian dialects, more or less) has adjusted unstressed syllables to the stressed ones in a rather complicated pattern also involving vowel shifts, and Elfdalian has also reduced its endings quite far, even if (up to the latest developments) maintaining a lot of grammatical distinctions between them.</dd> <dd>(Note that I don't bother to give sources at this place, so check for yourself if you wish. Just a quick answer to a common question.) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.248.231.252" title="Special:Contributions/83.248.231.252">83.248.231.252</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:83.248.231.252" title="User talk:83.248.231.252">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T13:53:00.000Z-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 6 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T13:53:00.000Z-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-06T13:53:00.000Z","author":"83.248.231.252","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T13:53:00.000Z-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T13:53:00.000Z-83.248.231.252-2015-06-06T02:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:28:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span>While the conservativity of Standard Icelandic may to some extent be artificial, it is clearly the most conservative North Germanic variety overall (despite innovations in the phonology). In comparison, Elfdalian is not quite as conservative – but it is heavily divergent from more mainstream Norwegian or Swedish dialects. However, many dialects in Norway and Sweden – especially more marginal ones like Gutamål (let alone its Fårö dialect), dialects in Norrland, Finland and Estonia, and rural dialects in Norway – have retained striking archaisms, such as remainders of the dative, diphthongs (in East Norse), or three genders, as well (this was even more pronounced in Ivar Aasen's day, while many of these archaisms and divergent traits have now gradually disappeared). In this context, Elfdalian is not <i>quite</i> as unusual as if compared only to the standard languages, but it still has striking – archaisms – and innovations! – apparently found nowhere or almost nowhere else in the Scandinavian dialects, such as the nasal vowels, several of which are clearly old where they occur (though they have also arosen secondarily in many cases). The diphthongisation of old long <i>í</i>, on the other hand, is a striking innovation, and apparently unique in Scandinavian. So, in short, it's complicated. (Oh, and the <i>w</i> of Elfdalian is only a spelling convention after the model of Early New Swedish – it's not really pronounced differently from Modern Swedish <i>v</i>.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Florian_Blaschke" title="User:Florian Blaschke">Florian Blaschke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Florian_Blaschke" title="User talk:Florian Blaschke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:28:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 27 January 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:28:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-27T22:28:00.000Z","author":"Florian Blaschke","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:28:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:28:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span>By the way, even Standard Swedish is rather conservative – it remains close to Old East Norse, overall, especially from the point of view of historical phonology; only morphological simplifications (loss of nominal case forms and verbal person/number inflection, mainly) make it seem much more like Danish now than like Icelandic. But if you restored the plural forms of the verb – which were still retained in the Early New Swedish period –, and artificially re-introduced the nominal case forms of Old Swedish, the way they would have developped phonetically (for example, usually nom. sg. <i>-er</i>, gen. pl. <i>-a</i>, dat. pl. <i>-om</i>), and are still preserved in some fixed expressions and place names, and threw out most of the (Low German, High German, Latin, French, English) loanwords and replaced them with puristic neologisms, Swedish would look a lot more like Icelandic – even more so than Nynorsk, which was based on the same idea, basically (though not quite as radical). --<a href="/wiki/User:Florian_Blaschke" title="User:Florian Blaschke">Florian Blaschke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Florian_Blaschke" title="User talk:Florian Blaschke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:38, 27 January 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z","author":"Florian Blaschke","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z"></span>I can agree with much here, but not all. Among other things, if or insofar as the w is pronounced as v, that's a quite recent novation (and probably from Standard Swedish), and diphtongization of long i (like most other traits that separate Elfdalian from Standard Swedish) also occurs in the surrounding dialects. And, independent of that, in Gotlandic. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/151.177.62.155" title="Special:Contributions/151.177.62.155">151.177.62.155</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:151.177.62.155" title="User talk:151.177.62.155">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z","author":"151.177.62.155","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T21:22:00.000Z-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T21:22:00.000Z-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z"></span>Examples of [w] can be heard e.g. here (knowing full well that a Youtube video is no scientific proof): <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nrbebx-pUU">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nrbebx-pUU</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/151.177.62.155" title="Special:Contributions/151.177.62.155">151.177.62.155</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:151.177.62.155" title="User talk:151.177.62.155">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T21:22:00.000Z-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 11 April 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T21:22:00.000Z-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-04-11T21:22:00.000Z","author":"151.177.62.155","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T21:22:00.000Z-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T21:22:00.000Z-151.177.62.155-2016-04-11T20:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Värmländsk_lingvist-2018-01-10T22:03:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span>It is well known that languages that are lying on their death bed, so to speak, can undergo changes at a much faster pace than any language would under normal circumstances. Although I have never been in Älvdalen, it seems obvious to me that Elfdalian is changing at a pace similar to what Robert Dixon found in the Australian language Dyirbal as it was approaching extinction. The Swedish Wikipedia article mentions the stages in Elfdalian language change described by Piotr Garbacz, where changes that took centuries for Standard Swedish or English are happening over decades. There is going to be tremendous confusion if on the one hand we have people here talking about the conservatism of Elfdalian as described by Lars Levander 100 years ago (which was indeed quite conservative, even when compared to other Swedish dialects of that era) and on the other hand people talking about the way teenagers speak in the area in the 21st century. (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:V%C3%A4rml%C3%A4ndsk_lingvist" title="User talk:Värmländsk lingvist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-Värmländsk_lingvist-2018-01-10T22:03:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Värmländsk_lingvist-2018-01-10T22:03:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-10T22:03:00.000Z","author":"V\u00e4rml\u00e4ndsk lingvist","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-V\u00e4rml\u00e4ndsk_lingvist-2018-01-10T22:03:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Värmländsk_lingvist-2018-01-10T22:03:00.000Z-Correctrix-2015-05-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Diphthongs-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z-Diphthongs&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Diphthongs&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Diphthongs&quot;}--><h2 id="Diphthongs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Diphthongs-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Diphthongs-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z"></span>Diphthongs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Diphthongs-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elfdalian&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Edit section: Diphthongs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Diphthongs-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z-Diphthongs"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:13:00.000Z-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z","timestamp":"2016-01-27T22:13:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Diphthongs-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z-Diphthongs&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Diphthongs&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Diphthongs&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z-Diphthongs"></span>As far as archaisms are concerned, the article leaves an important point unanswered: what realisations does Elfdalian have for Old Norse <i>ei</i>, <i>au</i>, <i>ey</i>? Are they still distinct from reflexes of <i>é</i>, and <i>œ</i>, as in Western Scandinavian varieties? <a href="/wiki/User:CodeCat" class="mw-redirect" title="User:CodeCat">CodeCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CodeCat" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:CodeCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z-Diphthongs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z-Diphthongs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/wiki/User:Florian_Blaschke" title="User:Florian Blaschke">Florian Blaschke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Florian_Blaschke" title="User talk:Florian Blaschke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:13:00.000Z-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 27 January 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Florian_Blaschke-2016-01-27T22:13:00.000Z-CodeCat-2015-11-06T23:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-27T22:13:00.000Z","author":"Florian 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Just for the record, preferably: the (currently) last entry there is from 2013. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.248.231.116" title="Special:Contributions/83.248.231.116">83.248.231.116</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:83.248.231.116" title="User talk:83.248.231.116">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-83.248.231.116-2016-06-06T12:19:00.000Z-Two_discussion_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 6 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-83.248.231.116-2016-06-06T12:19:00.000Z-Two_discussion_pages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-06T12:19:00.000Z","author":"83.248.231.116","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-83.248.231.116-2016-06-06T12:19:00.000Z-Two_discussion_pages","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-83.248.231.116-2016-06-06T12:19:00.000Z-Two_discussion_pages"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-InternetArchiveBot-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-External_links_modified-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z-External_links_modified&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;External links modified&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;External links modified&quot;}--><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elfdalian&amp;action=edit&amp;section=6" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-InternetArchiveBot-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-External_links_modified-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z-External_links_modified"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z-External_links_modified","timestamp":"2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-InternetArchiveBot-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-External_links_modified-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z-External_links_modified&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;External links modified&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;External links modified&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-09-19T07:56:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified one external link on <a href="/wiki/Elfdalian" title="Elfdalian">Elfdalian</a>. 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templates. <a href="/wiki/User:Rchard2scout" title="User:Rchard2scout">rchard2scout</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rchard2scout" title="User talk:Rchard2scout">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-Rchard2scout-2018-12-28T22:39:00.000Z-Talk_page_from_before_page_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 28 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rchard2scout-2018-12-28T22:39:00.000Z-Talk_page_from_before_page_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-28T22:39:00.000Z","author":"Rchard2scout","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rchard2scout-2018-12-28T22:39:00.000Z-Talk_page_from_before_page_move","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rchard2scout-2018-12-28T22:39:00.000Z-Talk_page_from_before_page_move"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-AnonMoos-2020-02-16T17:02:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Old_Norse_nasal_vowels-2020-02-16T17:02:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-AnonMoos-2020-02-16T17:02:00.000Z-Old_Norse_nasal_vowels&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Old Norse nasal vowels&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Old Norse nasal vowels&quot;}--><h2 id="Old_Norse_nasal_vowels" data-mw-thread-id="h-Old_Norse_nasal_vowels-2020-02-16T17:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Old_Norse_nasal_vowels-2020-02-16T17:02:00.000Z"></span>Old Norse nasal vowels<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Old_Norse_nasal_vowels-2020-02-16T17:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-NoychoH-2020-05-29T08:26:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u01ea\u01eb-2020-05-29T08:26:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-NoychoH-2020-05-29T08:26:00.000Z-\u01ea\u01eb&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u01ea\u01eb&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u01ea\u01eb&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NoychoH-2020-05-29T08:26:00.000Z-Ǫǫ"></span>I have removed these two letters from the description under the table of letters, as thery do not appear in the table itself, nor in any other sources known to me, either in Wikipedia (many language versions) or out of it. If someone would like to reintroduce them, should give a source for this information. <a href="/wiki/User:NoychoH" title="User:NoychoH">noychoH</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NoychoH" title="User talk:NoychoH">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-NoychoH-2020-05-29T08:26:00.000Z-Ǫǫ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NoychoH-2020-05-29T08:26:00.000Z-Ǫǫ"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-29T08:26:00.000Z","author":"NoychoH","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NoychoH-2020-05-29T08:26:00.000Z-\u01ea\u01eb","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NoychoH-2020-05-29T08:26:00.000Z-Ǫǫ"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Requested_move_20_May_2023-20230520140600&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-ExtorcDev-20230527112600-Requested_move_20_May_2023&quot;,&quot;c-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600-Requested_move_20_May_2023&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Requested move 20 May 2023&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Requested move 20 May 2023&quot;}--><h2 id="Requested_move_20_May_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_20_May_2023-20230520140600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_20_May_2023-20230520140600"></span>Requested move 20 May 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_20_May_2023-20230520140600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elfdalian&amp;action=edit&amp;section=11" title="Edit section: Requested move 20 May 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Requested_move_20_May_2023-20230520140600","replies":["c-ExtorcDev-20230527112600-Requested_move_20_May_2023","c-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600-Requested_move_20_May_2023"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-ExtorcDev-20230527112600-Requested_move_20_May_2023","timestamp":"20230527112600"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__5__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Requested_move_20_May_2023-20230520140600&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-ExtorcDev-20230527112600-Requested_move_20_May_2023&quot;,&quot;c-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600-Requested_move_20_May_2023&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Requested move 20 May 2023&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Requested move 20 May 2023&quot;}--></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ExtorcDev-20230527112600-Requested_move_20_May_2023"></span>The following is a closed discussion of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review" title="Wikipedia:Move review">move review</a> after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the move request was: <b>Not moved</b> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions#Non-admin_closure" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions">non-admin closure</a>)</small> <a href="/wiki/User:ExtorcDev" title="User:ExtorcDev">ExtorcDev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ExtorcDev" title="User talk:ExtorcDev">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-ExtorcDev-20230527112600-Requested_move_20_May_2023" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ExtorcDev-20230527112600-Requested_move_20_May_2023"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230527112600","author":"ExtorcDev","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ExtorcDev-20230527112600-Requested_move_20_May_2023","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ExtorcDev-20230527112600-Requested_move_20_May_2023"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><a href="/wiki/Elfdalian" title="Elfdalian"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600-Requested_move_20_May_2023"></span>Elfdalian</a> → <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elfdalian_language&amp;redirect=no">Elfdalian language</a></span> – Elfdalian is a language on it's own, not really a dialect of Swedish. <a href="/wiki/User:Karamellpudding1999" title="User:Karamellpudding1999">Karamellpudding1999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karamellpudding1999" title="User talk:Karamellpudding1999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600-Requested_move_20_May_2023" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600-Requested_move_20_May_2023"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230520140600","author":"Karamellpudding1999","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600-Requested_move_20_May_2023","replies":["c-CambridgeBayWeather-20230522184700-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600","c-TylerBurden-20230522233200-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600","c-Srnec-20230523015400-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600-Requested_move_20_May_2023"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CambridgeBayWeather-20230522184700-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600"></span>Opposed</b> as per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(languages)" title="Wikipedia:Naming conventions (languages)">Wikipedia:Naming conventions (languages)</a> ("Articles on language varieties (i.e. languages, dialects or sociolects) can be titled with the bare name of the variety where this is unambiguous (e.g. Bokmål) or where it is unquestionably the primary topic for the name (e.g. Arabic, Kannada, Arvanitika)." <a href="/wiki/Bokm%C3%A5l" title="Bokmål">Bokmål</a>, <a href="/wiki/Inuktitut" title="Inuktitut">Inuktitut</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Inuinnaqtun" title="Inuinnaqtun">Inuinnaqtun</a> are all languages that don't have the unnecessary word "language" added. "Language" should only be added where necessary. <a href="/wiki/User:CambridgeBayWeather" title="User:CambridgeBayWeather">CambridgeBayWeather</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather" title="User talk:CambridgeBayWeather">Uqaqtuq (talk)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather" title="Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather">Huliva</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-CambridgeBayWeather-20230522184700-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CambridgeBayWeather-20230522184700-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230522184700","author":"CambridgeBayWeather","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CambridgeBayWeather-20230522184700-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CambridgeBayWeather-20230522184700-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TylerBurden-20230522233200-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600"></span>Opposed</b> per ‎CambridgeBayWeather. --<a href="/wiki/User:TylerBurden" title="User:TylerBurden">TylerBurden</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TylerBurden" title="User talk:TylerBurden">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-TylerBurden-20230522233200-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TylerBurden-20230522233200-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230522233200","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230522233200-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TylerBurden-20230522233200-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Srnec-20230523015400-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600"></span>Oppose</b>. It is as it is precisely so that we do not have to declare it one or the other in the title. <a href="/wiki/User:Srnec" title="User:Srnec">Srnec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srnec" title="User talk:Srnec">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-Srnec-20230523015400-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Srnec-20230523015400-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230523015400","author":"Srnec","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Srnec-20230523015400-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Srnec-20230523015400-Karamellpudding1999-20230520140600"></span></li></ul> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;"></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Steinbach-20240627210800&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Pitch_accent-20240627210800&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Steinbach-20240627210800-Pitch_accent&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Pitch accent&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Pitch accent&quot;}--><h2 id="Pitch_accent" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pitch_accent-20240627210800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pitch_accent-20240627210800"></span>Pitch accent<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pitch_accent-20240627210800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elfdalian&amp;action=edit&amp;section=12" title="Edit section: Pitch accent"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Steinbach-20240627210800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pitch_accent-20240627210800","replies":["c-Steinbach-20240627210800-Pitch_accent"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Steinbach-20240627210800-Pitch_accent","timestamp":"20240627210800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Steinbach-20240627210800&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Pitch_accent-20240627210800&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Steinbach-20240627210800-Pitch_accent&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Pitch accent&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Pitch accent&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Steinbach-20240627210800-Pitch_accent"></span>Does Elfdalian have pitch accent, like standard Swedish? If it does, it needs to be in the phonology section. If it doesn't, it's also worth a mention since that would be very unusual for a Nordic dialect in Norway or Sweden. <a href="/wiki/User:Steinbach" title="User:Steinbach">Steinbach</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steinbach" title="User talk:Steinbach">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elfdalian#c-Steinbach-20240627210800-Pitch_accent" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Steinbach-20240627210800-Pitch_accent"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240627210800","author":"Steinbach","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Steinbach-20240627210800-Pitch_accent","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Steinbach-20240627210800-Pitch_accent"></span> </p> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐795c86c559‐qjq78 Cached time: 20241127222158 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.025 seconds CPU time usage: 0.302 seconds Real time usage: 0.423 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 649/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 25933/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 158/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 9/100 Expensive parser function count: 16/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 18921/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.178/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 2620051/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 316.013 1 -total 77.37% 244.506 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 37.64% 118.963 1 Template:WikiProject_Sweden 13.71% 43.327 1 Template:Archives 7.33% 23.174 1 Template:WikiProject_Languages 3.92% 12.380 1 Template:Archive_list 3.92% 12.372 2 Template:Sourcecheck 3.07% 9.694 1 Template:Th/abp 2.95% 9.335 2 Template:Ping 2.30% 7.253 2 Template:Tlx --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:27617020:|#|:idhash:canonical and timestamp 20241127222158 and revision id 1231352556. 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