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slikama" data-language-autonym="Hrvatski" data-language-local-name="Croatian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Hrvatski</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-id mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pertanyaan_hak_cipta_media" title="Wikipedia:Pertanyaan hak cipta media – Indonesian" lang="id" hreflang="id" data-title="Wikipedia:Pertanyaan hak cipta media" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Indonesia" data-language-local-name="Indonesian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bahasa Indonesia</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mk mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%2592%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B8%25D1%2598%25D0%25B0:%25D0%259F%25D1%2580%25D0%25B0%25D1%2588%25D0%25B0%25D1%259A%25D0%25B0_%25D0%25B7%25D0%25B0_%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B2%25D1%2582%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D1%2581%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8_%25D0%25BF%25D1%2580%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B0" title="Википедија:Прашања за авторски права – Macedonian" lang="mk" hreflang="mk" data-title="Википедија:Прашања за авторски права" data-language-autonym="Македонски" data-language-local-name="Macedonian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Македонски</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ml mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E0%25B4%25B5%25E0%25B4%25BF%25E0%25B4%2595%25E0%25B5%258D%25E0%25B4%2595%25E0%25B4%25BF%25E0%25B4%25AA%25E0%25B5%2580%25E0%25B4%25A1%25E0%25B4%25BF%25E0%25B4%25AF:%25E0%25B4%25AA%25E0%25B4%2595%25E0%25B5%25BC%25E0%25B4%25AA%25E0%25B5%258D%25E0%25B4%25AA%25E0%25B4%25B5%25E0%25B4%2595%25E0%25B4%25BE%25E0%25B4%25B6%25E0%25B4%25A4%25E0%25B5%258D%25E0%25B4%25A4%25E0%25B5%2586_%25E0%25B4%25AA%25E0%25B4%25B1%25E0%25B5%258D%25E0%25B4%25B1%25E0%25B4%25BF%25E0%25B4%25AF%25E0%25B5%2581%25E0%25B4%25B3%25E0%25B5%258D%25E0%25B4%25B3_%25E0%25B4%259A%25E0%25B5%258B%25E0%25B4%25A6%25E0%25B5%258D%25E0%25B4%25AF%25E0%25B4%2599%25E0%25B5%258D%25E0%25B4%2599%25E0%25B5%25BE" title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പകർപ്പവകാശത്തെ പറ്റിയുള്ള ചോദ്യങ്ങൾ – Malayalam" lang="ml" hreflang="ml" data-title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പകർപ്പവകാശത്തെ പറ്റിയുള്ള ചോദ്യങ്ങൾ" data-language-autonym="മലയാളം" data-language-local-name="Malayalam" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>മലയാളം</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mr mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A5%2580%25E0%25A4%25A1%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AF%25E0%25A4%25BE:%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%25B9%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%259C%25E0%25A5%2587_%25E0%25A4%2585%25E0%25A4%25B8%25E0%25A4%25B2%25E0%25A5%2587%25E0%25A4%25B2%25E0%25A5%2580_%25E0%25A4%259B%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%25AF%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%259A%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25A4%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25B0%25E0%25A5%2587/%25E0%25A4%259A%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25A4%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25B0_%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25B0%25E0%25A4%25A4%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%25A7%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%25B0/%25E0%25A4%25B8%25E0%25A4%25A6%25E0%25A4%25B8%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25AF%25E0%25A4%259A%25E0%25A4%25B0%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%259A%25E0%25A4%25BE" title="विकिपीडिया:पाहिजे असलेली छायाचित्रे/चित्र प्रताधिकार/सदस्यचर्चा – Marathi" lang="mr" hreflang="mr" data-title="विकिपीडिया:पाहिजे असलेली छायाचित्रे/चित्र प्रताधिकार/सदस्यचर्चा" data-language-autonym="मराठी" data-language-local-name="Marathi" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>मराठी</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ms mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Soalan_hak_cipta_media" title="Wikipedia:Soalan hak cipta media – Malay" lang="ms" hreflang="ms" data-title="Wikipedia:Soalan hak cipta media" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Melayu" data-language-local-name="Malay" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bahasa Melayu</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-my mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://my.wikipedia.org/wiki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title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:မီဒီယာ မူပိုင်ခွင့် မေးခွန်းများ – Burmese" lang="my" hreflang="my" data-title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:မီဒီယာ မူပိုင်ခွင့် မေးခွန်းများ" data-language-autonym="မြန်မာဘာသာ" data-language-local-name="Burmese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>မြန်မာဘာသာ</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ro mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%25C3%258Entreb%25C4%2583ri_privind_drepturile_de_autor" title="Wikipedia:Întrebări privind drepturile de autor – Romanian" lang="ro" hreflang="ro" data-title="Wikipedia:Întrebări privind drepturile de autor" data-language-autonym="Română" data-language-local-name="Romanian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Română</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ru mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%2592%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B8%25D1%258F:%25D0%25A4%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D1%2583%25D0%25BC/%25D0%2590%25D0%25B2%25D1%2582%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D1%2581%25D0%25BA%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B5_%25D0%25BF%25D1%2580%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B2%25D0%25BE" title="Википедия:Форум/Авторское право – Russian" lang="ru" hreflang="ru" data-title="Википедия:Форум/Авторское право" data-language-autonym="Русский" data-language-local-name="Russian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Русский</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sah mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://sah.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%2591%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B8%25D1%258D%25D0%25B4%25D1%258C%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B9%25D1%258D:%25D0%259A%25D1%258D%25D0%25BF%25D1%2581%25D1%258D%25D1%2582%25D1%258D%25D1%2580_%25D1%2581%25D0%25B8%25D1%2580/%25D0%2590%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BF%25D1%2582%25D0%25B0%25D1%2580_%25D0%25B1%25D1%258B%25D1%2580%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B1%25D0%25B0/%25D0%25A8%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BF%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B0" title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Ааптар бырааба/Шапка – Yakut" lang="sah" hreflang="sah" data-title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Ааптар бырааба/Шапка" data-language-autonym="Саха тыла" data-language-local-name="Yakut" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Саха тыла</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-si mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://si.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E0%25B7%2580%25E0%25B7%2592%25E0%25B6%259A%25E0%25B7%2592%25E0%25B6%25B4%25E0%25B7%2593%25E0%25B6%25A9%25E0%25B7%2592%25E0%25B6%25BA%25E0%25B7%258F:%25E0%25B6%25B8%25E0%25B7%258F%25E0%25B6%25B0%25E0%25B7%258A%25E2%2580%258D%25E0%25B6%25BA_%25E0%25B6%259A%25E0%25B6%25AD%25E0%25B7%2594%25E0%25B7%2584%25E0%25B7%2592%25E0%25B6%25B8%25E0%25B7%2592%25E0%25B6%259A%25E0%25B6%25B8%25E0%25B7%258A_%25E0%25B6%25B4%25E0%25B7%258A%25E2%2580%258D%25E0%25B6%25BB%25E0%25B7%2581%25E0%25B7%258A%25E0%25B6%25AB/%25E0%25B7%2581%25E0%25B7%2593%25E0%25B6%25BB%25E0%25B7%258A%25E0%25B7%2582%25E0%25B6%259A%25E0%25B6%25BA" title="විකිපීඩියා:මාධ්‍ය කතුහිමිකම් ප්‍රශ්ණ/ශීර්ෂකය – Sinhala" lang="si" hreflang="si" data-title="විකිපීඩියා:මාධ්‍ය කතුහිමිකම් ප්‍රශ්ණ/ශීර්ෂකය" data-language-autonym="සිංහල" data-language-local-name="Sinhala" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>සිංහල</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sr mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%2592%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B8%25D1%2598%25D0%25B0:%25D0%25A2%25D1%2580%25D0%25B3/%25D0%2590%25D1%2583%25D1%2582%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D1%2581%25D0%25BA%25D0%25BE_%25D0%25BF%25D1%2580%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B2%25D0%25BE" title="Википедија:Трг/Ауторско право – Serbian" lang="sr" hreflang="sr" data-title="Википедија:Трг/Ауторско право" data-language-autonym="Српски / srpski" data-language-local-name="Serbian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Српски / srpski</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-te mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E0%25B0%25B5%25E0%25B0%25BF%25E0%25B0%2595%25E0%25B1%2580%25E0%25B0%25AA%25E0%25B1%2580%25E0%25B0%25A1%25E0%25B0%25BF%25E0%25B0%25AF%25E0%25B0%25BE:Media_copyright_questions" title="వికీపీడియా:Media copyright questions – Telugu" lang="te" hreflang="te" data-title="వికీపీడియా:Media copyright questions" data-language-autonym="తెలుగు" data-language-local-name="Telugu" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>తెలుగు</span></a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tr mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:Medya_telif_sorular%25C4%25B1" title="Vikipedi:Medya telif soruları – Turkish" lang="tr" hreflang="tr" data-title="Vikipedi:Medya telif soruları" data-language-autonym="Türkçe" data-language-local-name="Turkish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Türkçe</span></a></li> <li 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The problem is that many (if not all) of these videos have first been published on the Vogue YouTube page as all rights reserved. Commons has been lax in the past regarding these, although I think the discussions haven't gone through enough scrutiny (yes, I was involved in a later delete). I think we need to make an official decision. Are the editors at the Vogue Taiwan YouTube site copyright-washing, since Condé Nast is clearly not releasing them. or is the release legitimate since they are a subsidiary of Condé Nast?</p> <ol> <li><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Cindy_Crawford_and_Kaia_Gerber_in_2017_(7).jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Deletion requests/File:Cindy Crawford and Kaia Gerber in 2017 (7).jpg">Commons:Deletion requests/File:Cindy Crawford and Kaia Gerber in 2017 (7).jpg</a> - Kept</li> <li><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Kendall_Jenner_in_2019_2.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kendall Jenner in 2019 2.png">Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kendall Jenner in 2019 2.png</a> - Kept</li> <li><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Emma_Roberts_House_Tour_2024.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Deletion requests/File:Emma Roberts House Tour 2024.jpg">Commons:Deletion requests/File:Emma Roberts House Tour 2024.jpg</a> - Deleted</li> <li><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Ariana_Grande_-_Vogue_2024.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ariana Grande - Vogue 2024.png">Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ariana Grande - Vogue 2024.png</a> - Deleted</li> <li><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Emma_Watson_2023_head_and_shoulders_1.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Deletion requests/File:Emma Watson 2023 head and shoulders 1.jpg">Commons:Deletion requests/File:Emma Watson 2023 head and shoulders 1.jpg</a> - Deleted.</li> </ol> <p><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastique">☎ let's talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bastique-20250205171900-Vogue_Taiwan_and_possible_copyright_washing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 5 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastique-20250205171900-Vogue_Taiwan_and_possible_copyright_washing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastique-20250205171900-Vogue_Taiwan_and_possible_copyright_washing"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bastique-20250205173200-Bastique-20250205171900"></span>Pinging people involved in the previous discussions: @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Verbcatcher?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Verbcatcher">Verbcatcher</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bettydaisies?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bettydaisies">Bettydaisies</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:P99&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:P99 (page does not exist)">P99</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:The_Squirrel_Conspiracy?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:The Squirrel Conspiracy">The Squirrel Conspiracy</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Krd?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Krd">Krd</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Brainulator9?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Brainulator9">Brainulator9</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:King_of_Hearts?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:King of Hearts">King of Hearts</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:RevengerTime&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:RevengerTime (page does not exist)">RevengerTime</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:G%C3%BCnther_Frager&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Günther Frager (page does not exist)">Günther Frager</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:1989?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:1989">1989</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rangel%27s_Version?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Rangel's Version">Rangel's Version</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:TheLoyalOrder?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:TheLoyalOrder">TheLoyalOrder</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Aafi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Aafi">Aafi</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Adry9509&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Adry9509 (page does not exist)">Adry9509</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Tanbiruzzaman?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Tanbiruzzaman">Tanbiruzzaman</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bjh21?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bjh21">Bjh21</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nakonana?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Nakonana">Nakonana</a>. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastique">☎ let's talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bastique-20250205173200-Bastique-20250205171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 5 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastique-20250205173200-Bastique-20250205171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastique-20250205173200-Bastique-20250205171900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alachuckthebuck-20250205174400-Bastique-20250205173200"></span>Noting that I got a 3 day block over a CSD tag on this topic, so clarification would be nice. Definitely my fault, but clarity would be nice. <span style="font-family:Courier">All the Best</span> -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Alachuckthebuck?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Alachuckthebuck"><b style="color: silver">Chuck</b></a> <b><sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Alachuckthebuck?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Alachuckthebuck"><span style="color: #8c593a; font-family: Tahoma">Talk</span></a></sup></b> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Alachuckthebuck-20250205174400-Bastique-20250205173200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 5 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alachuckthebuck-20250205174400-Bastique-20250205173200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alachuckthebuck-20250205174400-Bastique-20250205173200"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PHShanghai-20250207065500-Bastique-20250205173200"></span>Would like to ping <span class="template-ping">@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:GRuban?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:GRuban">GRuban</a>: </span> as well who helped develop the consensus for the images over at enwiki. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PHShanghai">PHShanghai</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PHShanghai"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-PHShanghai-20250207065500-Bastique-20250205173200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PHShanghai-20250207065500-Bastique-20250205173200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PHShanghai-20250207065500-Bastique-20250205173200"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bjh21-20250205214900-Bastique-20250205171900"></span>Another one for the list: <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Kourtney_Kardashian_2019.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kourtney Kardashian 2019.jpg">Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kourtney Kardashian 2019.jpg</a> - Deleted. --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bjh21?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bjh21">bjh21</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bjh21?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bjh21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bjh21-20250205214900-Bastique-20250205171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 5 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bjh21-20250205214900-Bastique-20250205171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bjh21-20250205214900-Bastique-20250205171900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diddykong1130-20250225051200-Bjh21-20250205214900"></span>Another deletion to add to the list: <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:%E7%91%AA%E6%A0%BC%C2%B7%E7%BE%85%E6%AF%94(Margot_Robbie)LA%E8%BE%A6%E5%85%AC%E5%AE%A4_%E5%B0%B1%E5%83%8F%E5%AE%B6%E4%B8%80%E6%A8%A3%EF%BD%9C%E6%89%93%E9%96%8B%E5%90%8D%E4%BA%BA%E8%B1%AA%E5%AE%85_-31%EF%BD%9CVogue_Taiwan_0-4_screenshot_(1)_(cropped).png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Deletion requests/File:瑪格·羅比(Margot Robbie)LA辦公室就像家一樣｜打開名人豪宅 -31｜Vogue Taiwan 0-4 screenshot (1) (cropped).png">Commons:Deletion requests/File:瑪格·羅比(Margot Robbie)LA辦公室就像家一樣｜打開名人豪宅 -31｜Vogue Taiwan 0-4 screenshot (1) (cropped).png</a> and all its derivatives <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Diddykong1130?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Diddykong1130">Diddykong1130</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Diddykong1130?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Diddykong1130"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Diddykong1130-20250225051200-Bjh21-20250205214900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diddykong1130-20250225051200-Bjh21-20250205214900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diddykong1130-20250225051200-Bjh21-20250205214900"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brainulator9-20250206012600-Bastique-20250205171900"></span>Ah, yes. Delete them all, per my rationale in the first nomination. -<i><b><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Brainulator9?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Brainulator9">B<small>RAINULATOR</small>9</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Brainulator9?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Brainulator9">TALK</a>)</b></i> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Brainulator9-20250206012600-Bastique-20250205171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brainulator9-20250206012600-Bastique-20250205171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brainulator9-20250206012600-Bastique-20250205171900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheLoyalOrder-20250207015800-Brainulator9-20250206012600"></span>just adding there's a whole category of potential images to delete <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Screenshot_images_from_VOGUE_Taiwan_YouTube_account?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Screenshot images from VOGUE Taiwan YouTube account">Category:Screenshot images from VOGUE Taiwan YouTube account</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:TheLoyalOrder?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:TheLoyalOrder">TheLoyalOrder</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:TheLoyalOrder?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:TheLoyalOrder"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-TheLoyalOrder-20250207015800-Brainulator9-20250206012600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:58, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheLoyalOrder-20250207015800-Brainulator9-20250206012600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheLoyalOrder-20250207015800-Brainulator9-20250206012600"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bastique-20250207045000-TheLoyalOrder-20250207015800"></span>I think we need to be very cautious not to delete any image which <i>originated</i> on the Vogue Taiwan YouTube page. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastique">☎ let's talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bastique-20250207045000-TheLoyalOrder-20250207015800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastique-20250207045000-TheLoyalOrder-20250207015800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastique-20250207045000-TheLoyalOrder-20250207015800"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PHShanghai-20250207065600-Brainulator9-20250206012600"></span>I think you might be underestimating the amount of work deleting 100+ images is going to take, especially spread across multiple A-list BLPs. If a deletion happens, there has to be a process for replacing all of the lead articles affected so they don't just end up red links. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PHShanghai">PHShanghai</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PHShanghai"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-PHShanghai-20250207065600-Brainulator9-20250206012600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PHShanghai-20250207065600-Brainulator9-20250206012600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PHShanghai-20250207065600-Brainulator9-20250206012600"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-19h00s-20250207025700-Bastique-20250205171900"></span>This is almost certainly some kind of mistake on Vogue Taiwan's part, there's no way Condé wants their content licensed like that (as evidenced by the numerous other listings of the same content with broad restrictions). OR, it's a very smart marketing move by a savvy digital editor at Vogue Taiwan who realized releasing images of celebrities under CC licenses would inevitably mean stills from their content would be the default images for those celebrities on the internet once celebrity-oriented Wikipedia editors spotted the videos as ostensibly eligible for use on Commons. But either way, it doesn't seem like a legit license for the content. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:19h00s"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-19h00s-20250207025700-Bastique-20250205171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:57, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-19h00s-20250207025700-Bastique-20250205171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-19h00s-20250207025700-Bastique-20250205171900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alachuckthebuck-20250207025800-19h00s-20250207025700"></span>Pinging @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bedivere?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bedivere">Bedivere</a> as he was involved. <span style="font-family:Courier">All the Best</span> -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Alachuckthebuck?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Alachuckthebuck"><b style="color: silver">Chuck</b></a> <b><sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Alachuckthebuck?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Alachuckthebuck"><span style="color: #8c593a; font-family: Tahoma">Talk</span></a></sup></b> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Alachuckthebuck-20250207025800-19h00s-20250207025700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alachuckthebuck-20250207025800-19h00s-20250207025700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alachuckthebuck-20250207025800-19h00s-20250207025700"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bedivere-20250207032000-Alachuckthebuck-20250207025800"></span>So I had to look up what exactly happened back in June <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alachuckthebuck&diff=prev&oldid=881665455&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Licenses">[1]</a>. So yeah, I might have been wrong on that one, or maybe not, who knows, after all Vogue Taiwan is owned by Condé Nast. Maybe asking them would clear up many things. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bedivere?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bedivere">Bedivere</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bedivere?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bedivere"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bedivere-20250207032000-Alachuckthebuck-20250207025800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bedivere-20250207032000-Alachuckthebuck-20250207025800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bedivere-20250207032000-Alachuckthebuck-20250207025800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PHShanghai-20250207071200-Bedivere-20250207032000"></span>A discussion also happened at enwiki, over <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions/Archive/2024/November%23Vogue_Taiwan_reposting_Vogue_content_with_CC_BY_license" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2024/November">here</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PHShanghai">PHShanghai</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PHShanghai"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-PHShanghai-20250207071200-Bedivere-20250207032000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PHShanghai-20250207071200-Bedivere-20250207032000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PHShanghai-20250207071200-Bedivere-20250207032000"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PHShanghai-20250207070600-19h00s-20250207025700"></span>Just think about this for a moment- is Conde Nast as a company <i><b>so</b></i> incompetent that it cannot see one of their official subsidiaries has been publishing celeb content under CC for 6-7+ years now? To the point where even <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DrCgXXalpKOM">content of one of their biggest executives</a> is also released as CC-BY? To have a CC license on *one* official video might be a mistake. To have a CC license on hundreds of videos spanning more than six to seven years is clearly not a mistake on Conde Nast's part. This is precautionary principle for the sake of precautionary principle. </dd> <dd> Are we also implying that not a single person from Conde Nast corporate has ever visited a Wikipedia article as research for a video, let alone Wikipedia articles of some of the most famous people in the world, like Billie Eilish, Adele, Kendall Jenner, and Ariana Grande? I agree with Bedivere on asking Vogue Taiwan themselves as an explanation. But Wikipedians speculating that the biggest conglomerates in fashion have zero control over the release of their own content is speculatory at best. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PHShanghai">PHShanghai</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PHShanghai"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-PHShanghai-20250207070600-19h00s-20250207025700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:06, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PHShanghai-20250207070600-19h00s-20250207025700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PHShanghai-20250207070600-19h00s-20250207025700"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-19h00s-20250207130500-PHShanghai-20250207070600"></span>CN and their subsidiaries have indeed made mistakes of this magnitude in the past. I would strongly caution against discounting human error as the source of this licensing choice until it can be proven that the licensing is correct. Just because a company is large & long-lasting does not mean they don't make huge mistakes that can be overlooked for quite a while. And sure, if someone wants to reach out to Condé, more power to them, but I can imagine that probably won't produce a satisfying reply. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:19h00s"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-19h00s-20250207130500-PHShanghai-20250207070600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-19h00s-20250207130500-PHShanghai-20250207070600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-19h00s-20250207130500-PHShanghai-20250207070600"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yann-20250207132000-19h00s-20250207130500"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a>: The issue is not whether it is a mistake, but whether the license is valid. Speculating over the marketing strategy of some company is IMO complete nonsense. It is not for us to decide if the free license is intended or not. There is still a free license on YT, so how can you say it is not valid? Saying that a free license posted by a big company is not valid is undermining the very concept of a free license. So a free license by a small company is OK, but by a big company, it would not be? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Yann"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Yann-20250207132000-19h00s-20250207130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yann-20250207132000-19h00s-20250207130500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yann-20250207132000-19h00s-20250207130500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-19h00s-20250207132900-Yann-20250207132000"></span>I can say it is invalid because Vogue Taiwan does not have the legal authority to release that content under those licenses; they do not own the content, Condé Nast does, and if Condé is not allowing other subsidiaries to release the same content under CC licenses, then why in the world would they want Vogue Taiwan to do it? I think editors on Commons put <i>way</i> too much stock into the choices digital editors at publications/organizations make when they upload content to third-party sites; there's literally no way to know if the license choice was made by a staffer who didn't know better or due to the company's actual policy of CC licensing. Regardless of how y'all feel about my conjecture re: the possible aims of whomever chose that license, I don't think it's responsible to trust the CC licenses when there are multiple examples of the same content being uploaded by other Condé entities <i>without</i> free licenses. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:19h00s"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-19h00s-20250207132900-Yann-20250207132000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-19h00s-20250207132900-Yann-20250207132000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-19h00s-20250207132900-Yann-20250207132000"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-999real-20250207133600-19h00s-20250207132900"></span>"Vogue Taiwan does not have the legal authority to release that content under those licenses" "Condé is not allowing other subsidiaries to release the same content under CC licenses" What evidence is there for these statements? How do we know they don't give the right to all subsidiaries to release as CC and only Vogue Taiwan chooses to do it, or the contract for Vogue Taiwan is different for some reason, especially if these videos have had the license for years? <span class="nowrap" style="border:solid 4q magenta;border-radius:9in;box-shadow:0 0 9q magenta"> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:999real?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:999real"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"> <math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle 999}"><semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mn> 999 </mn> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex"> {\displaystyle 999} </annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/28e6c5397787f35ab076ff7ef7000542709441b0" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.487ex; height:2.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle 999}"></span>REAL</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:999real?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:999real">💬</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/999real?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/999real">⬆</a>  </span> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-999real-20250207133600-19h00s-20250207132900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-999real-20250207133600-19h00s-20250207132900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-999real-20250207133600-19h00s-20250207132900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-19h00s-20250207134100-999real-20250207133600"></span>Yeah I'm done here tbh. Sent an email to Condé's licensing team, will update if I hear anything. But I don't really feel like getting into a deep argument about the nature of corporate subsidiaries and media conglomerates. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:19h00s"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-19h00s-20250207134100-999real-20250207133600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:41, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-19h00s-20250207134100-999real-20250207133600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-19h00s-20250207134100-999real-20250207133600"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-19h00s-20250207153500-19h00s-20250207134100"></span>Flagging that it appears at least two of the videos referenced in the first deletion requests listed above have now been changed to NOT include a CC license. No response yet from Condé but I included a link to this thread in my message, so those would have been the first examples they saw if they checked out this conversation. But I have not been following this for very long, so I don't know whether the disappearance of those CC licenses happened before today or if the licenses are just being hidden from view (tried in several browsers to make sure I wasn't missing them somewhere). <ul> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DIypi0HDinkg">Live link for Kendall Jenner video</a> (no license listed, default to standard YouTube license), vs <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://web.archive.org/web/20200220093851/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DIypi0HDinkg">Archived link for Kendall Jenner video</a> (CC license)</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3Dcy_StIbk6js">Live link for Cindy Crawford/Kaia Gerber video</a> (no license listed, default to standard YouTube license). Wayback Machine didn't archive but clearly it used to have a CC license visible if it was uploaded here.</li> </ul> </dd> <dd> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:19h00s"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-19h00s-20250207153500-19h00s-20250207134100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-19h00s-20250207153500-19h00s-20250207134100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-19h00s-20250207153500-19h00s-20250207134100"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PHShanghai-20250208004100-19h00s-20250207130500"></span>Would love to here an example of a mistake of this magnitude on Conde Nast's part, purely out of curiousity. Human error is a problem yes but "human error" across hundreds of videos for 6-7 years is a clear systemic issue on CN's part if this is a mistake by the uploaders on the VT youtube channel. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PHShanghai">PHShanghai</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PHShanghai"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-PHShanghai-20250208004100-19h00s-20250207130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PHShanghai-20250208004100-19h00s-20250207130500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PHShanghai-20250208004100-19h00s-20250207130500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-19h00s-20250208010500-PHShanghai-20250208004100"></span>As I said, I'm not interested in delving into a debate over the technicalities here, and tbh there's more than enough info on Condé's various mistakes in a basic Google search. I emailed CN's licensing team and added an update based on what seems to be a change to the licensing in the two videos I linked above. If I see another update to a license or hear from Condé, I'll circle back. Otherwise, I leave it to other editors and advice from WMF. Enjoy your weekend! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:19h00s"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-19h00s-20250208010500-PHShanghai-20250208004100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:05, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-19h00s-20250208010500-PHShanghai-20250208004100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-19h00s-20250208010500-PHShanghai-20250208004100"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GRuban-20250207144100-Vogue_Taiwan_and_possible_copyright_washing"></span>Entirely agree with PHShanghai, Yann, and everyone else. When an agent of Condé Nast puts a license on a video owned by Condé Nast, we should take their word for it. That's called <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_authority" class="extiw" title="w:Apparent authority">Apparent authority</a>: "a situation where a reasonable third party would understand that an agent had authority to act". <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.youtube.com/@voguetvtaiwan">https://www.youtube.com/@voguetvtaiwan</a> has 1.14M subscribers, and 10K videos, this is not a small channel that no one has noticed. They've been licensing videos this way for years, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3D7KH9gcoV8u4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KH9gcoV8u4</a> is one from 5 years ago, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3D-I2ZmpJ8DO0">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I2ZmpJ8DO0</a> is one from 3 days ago. This is not just a mistake that might have slipped through. They're not all indiscriminately licensed Creative Commons either, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DaIICchcwZdg">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIICchcwZdg</a>, 1 day ago, isn't. Every sign points to this being both intentional and authorized.</p> <p>We are at a busy intersection. The official crossing signal above the crosswalk says "WALK". We should walk. "But the signal could be broken." "The signal could have been put up in error." "The signal could have been forged and put up by a troll." "The signal was put up by the town Public Works Department, and intersections are under the jurisdiction of the town Traffic department." "Another intersection on this same street doesn't have a signal, or it isn't saying WALK, so this one must be wrong." Yes, all these things are <i>possible</i>. <small>(The sun might not rise in the morning; there could be an eclipse. The most powerful country in the world dedicated to the rule of law might elect a recently convicted felon to lead it. Naah, that last one is just ridiculous!)</small>. But they aren't reasonable. We can't live by assuming that everyone is either evil or an idiot, only that some people are. We need to take reasonable care, but this is beyond that. Sure, feel to write for clarification. But they put up the sign, it's a very clear sign, it's not drawn on a piece of cardboard with a crayon, and they have the authority to put it up; so until we actually have clear evidence that the crossing signal <i>is broken</i>, we should walk. --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:GRuban?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:GRuban">GRuban</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:GRuban?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:GRuban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-GRuban-20250207144100-Vogue_Taiwan_and_possible_copyright_washing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GRuban-20250207144100-Vogue_Taiwan_and_possible_copyright_washing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GRuban-20250207144100-Vogue_Taiwan_and_possible_copyright_washing"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yann-20250207135800-GRuban-20250207144100"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%2528orange%2529.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%2528orange%2529.svg.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%2528orange%2529.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%2528orange%2529.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"></span></span> <b><bdi>Comment</bdi></b> I have asked <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:JSutherland_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Vogue_Taiwan" title="User talk:JSutherland (WMF)">Joe Sutherland from WMF</a>. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Yann"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Yann-20250207135800-GRuban-20250207144100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yann-20250207135800-GRuban-20250207144100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yann-20250207135800-GRuban-20250207144100"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PHShanghai-20250208005000-GRuban-20250207144100"></span>Perfectly put. And very funny poignant commentary. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PHShanghai">PHShanghai</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PHShanghai"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-PHShanghai-20250208005000-GRuban-20250207144100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PHShanghai-20250208005000-GRuban-20250207144100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PHShanghai-20250208005000-GRuban-20250207144100"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bastique-20250208071200-GRuban-20250207144100"></span>Except two of the videos in question have already had their CC license removed. Which tells me (as is the case often when one organization or branch allows some content from another) that Vogue Taiwan intended to release its own videos as CC-BY but someone did not pay attention to the default when providing other videos. </dd> <dd> This happens all the time. </dd> <dd> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastique">☎ let's talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bastique-20250208071200-GRuban-20250207144100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastique-20250208071200-GRuban-20250207144100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastique-20250208071200-GRuban-20250207144100"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bastique-20250208071800-GRuban-20250207144100"></span>Also, at Commons, we abide by the <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Precautionary_principle?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Precautionary principle">Commons:Precautionary principle</a>, that where there is sufficient doubt about the freedom of a file...we delete it. There is sufficient doubt here as expressed by not an insignificant number of active Commons editors. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastique">☎ let's talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bastique-20250208071800-GRuban-20250207144100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:18, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastique-20250208071800-GRuban-20250207144100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastique-20250208071800-GRuban-20250207144100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yann-20250208095300-Bastique-20250208071800"></span>Except that this goes way beyond any precautionary principle. OK, the license of one video was changed. But what about all the others? </dd> <dd> GRuban's message above says it all. We should abide by the law, not by some imaginary reasoning. I doubt a judge will accept a reasoning with "Sorry, but the license which was published by our subsidiary company there for years is wrong." <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Yann"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Yann-20250208095300-Bastique-20250208071800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yann-20250208095300-Bastique-20250208071800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yann-20250208095300-Bastique-20250208071800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bastique-20250208192100-Yann-20250208095300"></span>Others are being changed too. Most probably a result of this discussion and backroom contact with the organization, making the scenario even more likely that Vogue Taiwan was making a mistake and are currently fixing it. It takes a lot of time and effort for the average user to change licenses on multiple videos on YouTube. I looked into it when this first came up and it wasn't entirely obvious how to do it--and there's no way to do it with multiple videos. </dd> <dd> The argument "we can get away with it becuase Vogue Taiwan didn't catch their mistake for years" or "oops, your bad--we got it while it was out there and now it's ours forever" should not fly. </dd> <dd> It is entirely likely that: </dd> <dd> 1) Vogue Taiwan was making a mistake for years and that </dd> <dd> 2) Conde Nast didn't catch on because the videos weren't being reused as a whole by anybody and that 3) nobody from CN or VT recognized the screenshots on Wikipedia as they came from a single frame of those videos and that </dd> <dd> 4) nobody from CN or VT searched for links back to the YouTube channel (because why would they?) so they didn't know that Wikimedia was reusing their content. </dd> <dd> The surprising thing is the doubt that this is quite possible coming from active Commons admins who have dealt with this sort of thing before many times in the past. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastique">☎ let's talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bastique-20250208192100-Yann-20250208095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastique-20250208192100-Yann-20250208095300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastique-20250208192100-Yann-20250208095300"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yann-20250208195900-Bastique-20250208192100"></span>"<i>It takes a lot of time and effort for the average user to change licenses on multiple videos on YouTube.</i>" well, these are not average users, but trained payed staff. And yes, there have been similar cases, and they usually were closed as kept. There are more and more people and corporations using free licenses, and the people most reluctantly recognizing that are people on Commons. Now I won't argue for keeping the files when the license was changed, even if I doubt they could do anything if it comes to court. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Yann"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Yann-20250208195900-Bastique-20250208192100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yann-20250208195900-Bastique-20250208192100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yann-20250208195900-Bastique-20250208192100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-19h00s-20250208220100-Yann-20250208195900"></span>I think that is an over-charitable interpretation of how media companies work and who works there. I know I said I didn't want to get into the details, but I very much agree with Bastique, I don't understand the doubt here. Nor do I get why it's such a big leap in logic to assume a media company doesn't want their intellectual property freely licensed; if this were any other type of company, I would be way more open to the idea that they really made this choice on purpose. </dd> <dd> There is quite possibly a single person - or, at the most, up to two people - who work at Vogue Taiwan whose specific role is interpreting and applying their rights and responsibilities as a subsidiary of Condé using licensed Condé content. Or, even more likely, there is actually no one whose job is dedicated to that, and the function has been rolled into the purview of their in-house counsel or a hired counsel. How often does that person or people interact with the staffer arguably at the lowest end hierarchy-wise of a media company's social media team (i.e., the person who loads and structures social media content via a platform like Sprout or other professional tool in order to post it to YouTube)? I would guess they don't interact that often, and the social media staffer has probably had very limited training on the more complicated aspects of licensing like Creative Commons licenses because Condé and Vogue Taiwan are not in the business of releasing their content for free reuse; they are media companies, their single greatest financial asset is the intellectual property they own. And the person in charge of licensing for Vogue Taiwan - again, very easily just their in-house counsel - probably has a million other things to worry about, including ensuring that the print publication and website have correct licensing and copyright terms, a pretty big task given that Vogue Taiwan both licenses content from Condé and creates/commissions original content as well. So I actually find it incredibly likely that this was a) a true mistake, b) made by someone without much knowledge of licensing, c) overlooked for quite a long time by the people who are actually in charge of handling licensing content for Vogue Taiwan, and d) a very difficult thing to undo in a short period of time, even for social media professionals - even pro tools don't have the ability to change licenses en masse, I just checked in the business Sprout account I have access to. </dd> <dd> I apologize if this or my other replies came off as snippy. I'm just very confused by the doubt. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:19h00s"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-19h00s-20250208220100-Yann-20250208195900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-19h00s-20250208220100-Yann-20250208195900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-19h00s-20250208220100-Yann-20250208195900"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PHShanghai-20250210082000-Bastique-20250208192100"></span>The Wikipedia editing community is so small and the Commons community is even smaller than the enwiki community. It is extremely unlikely that a CN or VT staffer reads the village pump and that reading about it would it have any impact on their content uploading.. The only actual realistic way their CC policies may be revoked is through, as you said, personally messaging and emailing the corporation and asking if VT is copyright-washing. If they already know that their content is being uploaded as CC and therefore makes the motion to have their CC licenses revoked, they're being very confusing and inconsistent about it as they are still uploading content under CC as <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ux_DuLNdRis">recent as yesterday.</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PHShanghai">PHShanghai</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PHShanghai"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-PHShanghai-20250210082000-Bastique-20250208192100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:20, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PHShanghai-20250210082000-Bastique-20250208192100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PHShanghai-20250210082000-Bastique-20250208192100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-19h00s-20250210164600-PHShanghai-20250210082000"></span>Not trying to nitpick here, and I am using a machine translation for this purpose so there could easily just be a mistranslation, but: The caption for that linked short, and the rest of Vogue Taiwan's shorts, includes language about VT's use of Condé content. The machine translation is telling me it says this: "Taiwan VOGUE is affiliated to Condé Nast Interculture Group. All foreign films are authorized by foreign countries for use in Taiwan. Taiwan VOGUE adheres to serving netizens and allows more Chinese-speaking audiences to see international films and Chinese subtitles, so we share them with everyone on this channel. If you like our channel, please subscribe to us. We will continue to work hard to bring more high-quality content." Presuming that "films" should be "videos". But that language is different from the CC license and is quite vague - "for use in Taiwan" could mean a range of things - implying that there is some sort of other agreement/license underpinning VT's ability to republish content. Again, machine mistranslation could be source of my interpretation here, but it's notable that they do include language about their rights in the captions. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:19h00s"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-19h00s-20250210164600-PHShanghai-20250210082000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-19h00s-20250210164600-PHShanghai-20250210082000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-19h00s-20250210164600-PHShanghai-20250210082000"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Glrx-20250208172100-GRuban-20250207144100"></span>I doubt we have an apparent authority defense to agency right now. To have that defense, we must believe CN-Taiwan has the authority to publish the material with a free license. If CN-Taiwan were the only entity publishing the material, then that belief is reasonable, and we would have an apparent authority defense. However, if we know that other CN divisions are publishing the same material with all rights reserved, then the defense evaporates. We have or should have doubts about CN-Taiwan's authority. All is not lost. Presumably, the principal CN has now been notified and must act. If the principal fails to act within a reasonable time (say 30 days), then the principal will ratify the acts of CN-Taiwan. If the principal acts and the free licenses are removed, then we should remove the affected material. If I were CN, I would issue takedown notices. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Glrx?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Glrx">Glrx</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Glrx?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Glrx"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Glrx-20250208172100-GRuban-20250207144100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Glrx-20250208172100-GRuban-20250207144100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Glrx-20250208172100-GRuban-20250207144100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PHShanghai-20250210082100-Glrx-20250208172100"></span>I agree that we should wait for a response from CN in 30 days or so, and if they do not respond nor change their continuous and consistent use of uploading CC content under VT, then the acts of VT will be ratified and free for Wikimedia Commons to use. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PHShanghai">PHShanghai</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PHShanghai?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PHShanghai"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-PHShanghai-20250210082100-Glrx-20250208172100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PHShanghai-20250210082100-Glrx-20250208172100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PHShanghai-20250210082100-Glrx-20250208172100"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-19h00s-20250208172500-GRuban-20250207144100"></span>Just found another video where the license appears to have changed: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DXNrhFWnvECw">Live link for Margot Robbie video</a> (no license, default to standard YouTube license), vs <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://web.archive.org/web/20201003222441/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DXNrhFWnvECw">Archived link for Margot Robbie video</a> (CC license, takes a super long time to load the caption/YouTube interface). A screenshot is currently the <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:%E7%91%AA%E6%A0%BC%C2%B7%E7%BE%85%E6%AF%94(Margot_Robbie)LA%E8%BE%A6%E5%85%AC%E5%AE%A4_%E5%B0%B1%E5%83%8F%E5%AE%B6%E4%B8%80%E6%A8%A3%EF%BD%9C%E6%89%93%E9%96%8B%E5%90%8D%E4%BA%BA%E8%B1%AA%E5%AE%85_-31%EF%BD%9CVogue_Taiwan_0-4_screenshot_(1)_(cropped).png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Deletion requests/File:瑪格·羅比(Margot Robbie)LA辦公室就像家一樣｜打開名人豪宅 -31｜Vogue Taiwan 0-4 screenshot (1) (cropped).png">subject</a> of a deletion discussion. </dd> <dd> Also noting that Vogue Taiwan either has not released a video on YouTube under a CC license in a while or they have gone back and retroactively changed the licenses on all of their most recent videos. I've been scrolling for a bit and can't find a recent video with a CC license. </dd> <dd> And finally, I noticed in one of the Chinese-language <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3Dcy_StIbk6js">captions</a> on YouTube that Vogue Taiwan staff had noted that the video was a re-upload with subtitles and closed captions (they used the abbreviation "CC" in the video caption) after suggestions from commenters asking for either better quality captioning or a different style/technical form of subtitles or captions. I do not want to impugn the English language ability of any Vogue Taiwan staffer, as they obviously have a great command of the language if they're working for Condé, a primarily English-language company. But is it possible that when uploading videos with closed captions ("CC"), someone at Vogue Taiwan mistook the "CC" of the Creative Commons license as the marker for closed captions, which seem to be broadly referred to in Chinese-language sources by the English-derived acronym "CC"? Could be wrong on any number of these conjectures, but the situation simply doesn't add up from where I sit - Condé has no reason to want their subsidiaries to release Condé-owned content for free use, this is not a company that has ever demonstrated any sort of commitment to open access or free reuse, especially when the content at issue is worth quite a lot of money in terms of licensing fees, which they can and do charge - so I'm trying to think through the most obvious possibilities for what happened here. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:19h00s"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-19h00s-20250208172500-GRuban-20250207144100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-19h00s-20250208172500-GRuban-20250207144100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-19h00s-20250208172500-GRuban-20250207144100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bedivere-20250208194600-19h00s-20250208172500"></span>All recent shorts appear to me as CC-licensed. The normal, widescreen videos seemingly aren't CC licensed at all <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bedivere?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bedivere">Bedivere</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bedivere?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bedivere"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bedivere-20250208194600-19h00s-20250208172500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bedivere-20250208194600-19h00s-20250208172500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bedivere-20250208194600-19h00s-20250208172500"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nakonana-20250208221800-19h00s-20250208172500"></span>I can't imagine that a language issue is to blame because the YouTube interface is available in different languages, so I'd expect that the staff has set the interface to their local language, especially if they doubt their English proficiency. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nakonana?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Nakonana">Nakonana</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nakonana?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nakonana"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Nakonana-20250208221800-19h00s-20250208172500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nakonana-20250208221800-19h00s-20250208172500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nakonana-20250208221800-19h00s-20250208172500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-999real-20250208224600-Nakonana-20250208221800"></span>In the English interface of YouTube Studio it does not say "CC" anywhere, it just says "Creative Commons - Attribution". I tried changing my language to Chinese simplified and traditional, Simplified does not have "CC" in English but Traditional does. But this is only in the license dropdown menu, it is not visible till you click the dropdown and the default option is Standard YouTube license, so the only way I can see someone thinking this is closed captions is if they were pressing random buttons looking for closed captions without reading properly and/or not did not understand Chinese. <span class="nowrap" style="border:solid 4q magenta;border-radius:9in;box-shadow:0 0 9q magenta"> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:999real?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:999real"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"> <math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle 999}"><semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mn> 999 </mn> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex"> {\displaystyle 999} </annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/28e6c5397787f35ab076ff7ef7000542709441b0" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:3.487ex; height:2.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle 999}"></span>REAL</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:999real?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:999real">💬</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/999real?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/999real">⬆</a>  </span> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-999real-20250208224600-Nakonana-20250208221800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-999real-20250208224600-Nakonana-20250208221800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-999real-20250208224600-Nakonana-20250208221800"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aoi-20250209013500-GRuban-20250207144100"></span>I can see both sides of this argument. However, speaking from a purely legal standpoint, I don't think it's reasonable to assume that one entity can republish content under a more permissive license when that content was originally published by another entity with all rights reserved, simply because <i>the republishing entity doesn't own the content</i> and therefore does not have the authority to republish it under different terms. This is true even if the two entities share the same parent company (and even if the republishing entity has a license to re-upload the material). Even if for some reason the shared parent company <i>did</i> intend to re-release the material under a CC license, I don't think that is something for us to assume. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Aoi&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Aoi (page does not exist)">Aoi</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Aoi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Aoi"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Aoi-20250209013500-GRuban-20250207144100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aoi-20250209013500-GRuban-20250207144100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aoi-20250209013500-GRuban-20250207144100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lililolol-20250215205600-Aoi-20250209013500"></span>Hi, I don't think all videos/images are republished. Some are exclusive to the Vogue Taiwan channel, while others are republished from places like <i>Vanity Fair</i>. So, why not keep the ones original to Vogue Taiwan and delete the republished ones? I don’t think there are many published ones, but maybe I’m wrong, I’m not sure. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Lililolol?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Lililolol">Lililolol</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Lililolol?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Lililolol"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Lililolol-20250215205600-Aoi-20250209013500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lililolol-20250215205600-Aoi-20250209013500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lililolol-20250215205600-Aoi-20250209013500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lililolol-20250215210300-Lililolol-20250215205600"></span>Also, I guess I can write them an email asking about this? Should I? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Lililolol?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Lililolol">Lililolol</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Lililolol?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Lililolol"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Lililolol-20250215210300-Lililolol-20250215205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lililolol-20250215210300-Lililolol-20250215205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lililolol-20250215210300-Lililolol-20250215205600"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GRuban-20250218140300-Lililolol-20250215210300"></span>Sure, please write. They may well not answer, <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GRuban/Archive_9%23To_whom_it_may_concern">most people I write like that don't answer</a>. But some do! It won't hurt. --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:GRuban?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:GRuban">GRuban</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:GRuban?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:GRuban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-GRuban-20250218140300-Lililolol-20250215210300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GRuban-20250218140300-Lililolol-20250215210300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GRuban-20250218140300-Lililolol-20250215210300"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diddykong1130-20250225024900-Lililolol-20250215205600"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%2528orange%2529.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%2528orange%2529.svg.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%2528orange%2529.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%2528orange%2529.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"></span></span> <b><bdi>Comment</bdi></b> Just to add on along with Vanity Fair, the other channels it's copying from include: Architectural Digest, American Vogue, Teen Vogue, British Vogue, Allure, Wired, and Glamour. It's a lot of leeway to give one channel to repost other channels' content. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Diddykong1130?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Diddykong1130">Diddykong1130</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Diddykong1130?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Diddykong1130"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Diddykong1130-20250225024900-Lililolol-20250215205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diddykong1130-20250225024900-Lililolol-20250215205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diddykong1130-20250225024900-Lililolol-20250215205600"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alachuckthebuck-20250225054200-Diddykong1130-20250225024900"></span>At what point to we ask the foundation to try contacting them? <span style="font-family:Courier">All the Best</span> -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Alachuckthebuck?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Alachuckthebuck"><b style="color: silver">Chuck</b></a> <b><sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Alachuckthebuck?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Alachuckthebuck"><span style="color: #8c593a; font-family: Tahoma">Talk</span></a></sup></b> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Alachuckthebuck-20250225054200-Diddykong1130-20250225024900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alachuckthebuck-20250225054200-Diddykong1130-20250225024900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alachuckthebuck-20250225054200-Diddykong1130-20250225024900"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978-20250214230200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978-20250214230200"></span>Copyright for wire photos published from 1963-1978<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978-20250214230200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=2&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Copyright for wire photos published from 1963-1978"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilverStar54-20250214230200-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"></span>Between 1963 and 1978, works could lose their copyright if they published in the US without proper copyright notice. Many newspapers during this time did not contain a copyright notice. As I understand it, the question is: <b>how does this affect the copyright status of wire photos published in these newspapers</b>?</p> <p>I am continuing the thread from these discussions (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kieronoldham&oldid=993875158&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Question_about_your_uploads">[2]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems/Archive_119?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#h-Kieronoldham's_%22public_domain%22_uploads-20250201235100">[3]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright/Archive/2025/02?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Copyright_status_for_contents_of_U.S._newspapers">[4]</a>). There seems to be a wide range of opinions on this subject. Pinging editors who seem to be invested in these discussions: @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jameslwoodward">Jameslwoodward</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Asclepias">Asclepias</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Yann">Yann</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )">RAN</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Prosfilaes?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Prosfilaes">Prosfilaes</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Clindberg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg">Carl Lindberg</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Toohool?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Toohool">Toohool</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Kieronoldham?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Kieronoldham">Kieronoldham</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Denniscabrams?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Denniscabrams">Denniscabrams</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Adamant1?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Adamant1">Adamant1</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a></p> <p>I don't have a strong opinion myself, I just want clarity on what the policy is going to be going forward.</p> <p>Thanks, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SilverStar54?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SilverStar54">SilverStar54</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SilverStar54?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SilverStar54"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-SilverStar54-20250214230200-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilverStar54-20250214230200-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilverStar54-20250214230200-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clindberg-20250214233600-SilverStar54-20250214230200"></span>I don't think a particular newspaper not having a notice is good enough evidence for a wire photo. I'm also not sure what evidence there was that AP etc. did not try to enforce copyright notices -- it's harder to divest copyright through the actions of others. A "relative few" copies without notice did not lose copyright, and if the AP was selling to thousands of newspapers then even quite a few not having notice wouldn't qualify for that. Copies of wire photos themselves can also be problematic -- that particular copy was likely kept privately in the newspaper's archive (they were printed there), and was not distributed. Actual distribution of copies lacking notice was also required to lose copyright -- technical publication without distribution of copies would not. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Clindberg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Clindberg">Carl Lindberg</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Clindberg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Clindberg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Clindberg-20250214233600-SilverStar54-20250214230200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clindberg-20250214233600-SilverStar54-20250214230200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clindberg-20250214233600-SilverStar54-20250214230200"></span> </dd> </dl> <ul> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20250214234400-SilverStar54-20250214230200"></span>Each <i>copy</i> of the individual newspaper would count as a publication and the law requires that the copies be "authorized", not pirated copies. I would argue that they are in the public domain when a newspaper does not comply with the copyright formalities of a copyright statement. I was shocked at how few newspapers carried copyright notices in their masthead. The big city papers did, not many local papers. --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )">RAN</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20250214234400-SilverStar54-20250214230200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:44, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20250214234400-SilverStar54-20250214230200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20250214234400-SilverStar54-20250214230200"></span></li> </ul> <ul> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adamant1-20250215010100-SilverStar54-20250214230200"></span>Thanks for the ping. I'm going to defer to Carl Lindberg's comment here. I never bought the idea that if the a local newspaper published an otherwise copyrighted photograph by the AP without a notice that the original image would somehow magically lose copyright in that situation. There wouldn't be a reason to sell photographs to local newspapers if said images where PD to begin with either. As said newspapers would just share the photographs with each other instead of licensing them from the AP in the first place. But regardless, say the AP sells a photograph to a newspaper, who then decides <i>on their own</i> for whatever reason to publish it without a copyright notice. What does that have to do with the AP and their original copyright? I assume it wouldn't suddenly be null and void on the copyright offices or Associated Presses end. --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Adamant1?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Adamant1">Adamant1</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Adamant1?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Adamant1"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Adamant1-20250215010100-SilverStar54-20250214230200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adamant1-20250215010100-SilverStar54-20250214230200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adamant1-20250215010100-SilverStar54-20250214230200"></span></li> </ul> <ul> <li> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Prosfilaes-20250215025700-Adamant1-20250215010100"></span>The AP would have worked much as it did without copyright at all. There would have been no easier or cheaper way to get a steady supply of fresh, relevant news and photos besides signing up to the AP. Yesterday's news is today's fishwrap. In reality, the law was complex and if you copied enough material flagrantly enough, the AP might sue you and that would be a costly battle. The AP didn't really have to dot its i's and cross its t's to keep its customers. </dd> <dd> Again, books are not usually published by their authors. If your publisher forgets a copyright notice, you lose copyright. There's no question I think that if the AP sent out a photo that was only used by newspapers that didn't use copyright notices, they would have lost the copyright. The question involves photos that presumably were published in large papers with copyright notices and at least one paper without, where we don't know what the ratios are. </dd> <dd> It's probably fair enough that without knowing what those ratios are, and the way modern judges have tended to be more sympathetic to would-be copyright holders than the laws at the time really call for, it's probably not reasonable to reuse post-1963 AP images, at least not without good evidence.--<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Prosfilaes?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Prosfilaes">Prosfilaes</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Prosfilaes?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Prosfilaes"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Prosfilaes-20250215025700-Adamant1-20250215010100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:57, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Prosfilaes-20250215025700-Adamant1-20250215010100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Prosfilaes-20250215025700-Adamant1-20250215010100"></span> </dd> </dl></li> </ul> <dl> <dd> <dl> <dd> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toohool-20250215070500-Prosfilaes-20250215025700"></span>This is mostly right. The newspaper industry largely considered copyright to be impracticable, and newspapers and wire services did not build their business models around it. The AP went so far as to get the Supreme Court to create a whole form of intellectual property (the <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hot_news_doctrine" class="extiw" title="w:hot news doctrine">hot news doctrine</a>) to protect against wholesale misappropriation of their content, while not requiring the formalities of copyright. </dd> <dd> One important point is that, before 1978, copyright notices generally had to be printed in the name of the owner of the copyrighted work. So a New York Times issue published with the notice "Copyright 1965 by the New York Times" only protected those works for which NYT was the <i>author</i>. It didn't protect works from wire services, syndicates, or other third parties; those would have needed their own, separate copyright notice specific to the work in question. </dd> <dd> For 1978-1989 works, it gets a bit hairier, as the law changed so that a "Copyright 1980 by the New York Times" notice <i>did</i> cover any 3rd party works within the paper. That leads into the ratio question of how many copies of an AP photo were published with notice vs. without notice. Newspapers without copyright notice were still numerous, but diminishing as you get into the mid 1980s. </dd> <dd> As for the question of what evidence there is that the wire services <i>didn't</i> enforce copyrights, flip the question and ask what evidence is there that wire services <i>did</i> copyright their works? The answer is: None. If they did, you would expect to see some evidence of that, such as at least one newspaper somewhere in the US that consistently printed copyright notices with their AP photos. But such evidence is nowhere to be found. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Toohool?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Toohool">Toohool</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Toohool?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Toohool"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Toohool-20250215070500-Prosfilaes-20250215025700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:05, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toohool-20250215070500-Prosfilaes-20250215025700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toohool-20250215070500-Prosfilaes-20250215025700"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adamant1-20250215101400-Toohool-20250215070500"></span>I'm not saying it's evidence either way but I looked for court cases earlier and couldn't find any from before like 2020. Enforcement of a copyright is different from having one to begin with though. It certainly wouldn't meet the standard of the precautionary principle. So I hesitate to say that AP photographs aren't copyrighted just because they never sued anyone for infringement. But it seems mostly like a non-issue if there's no actual lawsuits out there to cite. --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Adamant1?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Adamant1">Adamant1</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Adamant1?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Adamant1"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Adamant1-20250215101400-Toohool-20250215070500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adamant1-20250215101400-Toohool-20250215070500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adamant1-20250215101400-Toohool-20250215070500"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <ul> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215045300-SilverStar54-20250214230200"></span>Thank you for starting this discussion here, SilverStar54, and for the ping.</li> </ul> <dl> <dd> <dl> <dd></dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> If we look at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://law.resource.org/pub/us/works/aba/ibr/35Stat1075.pdf">the law in effect</a> at the time, I believe that this situation is addressed in section 6. </dd> <dd> <blockquote class="templatequote language"> <p>Sec. 6. That compilations or abridgements, adaptations, arrangements, dramatizations, translations, or other versions of works in the public domain, or of copyrighted works when produced with the consent of the proprietor of the copyright in such works, or works republished with new matter, shall be regarded as new works subject to copyright under the provisions of this Act; but <b>the publication of any such new works shall not affect the force or validity of any subsisting copyright upon the matter employed or any part thereof, or be construed to imply an exclusive right to such use of the original works, or to secure or extend copyright in such original works</b>.</p> </blockquote> </dd> </dl> <dl> <dd> The newspapers in this discussion are collective works. They have been assembled from multiple sources (eg staff reporters and newswire services). If AP has copyrights on those images, they are "subsisting copyrights". A copyright would apply to the issue of the newspaper (collective work) as a whole, but it does not change any existing copyright. Similarly, if there is no copyright notice, the issue as a whole is not copyrighted but any existing copyrights are not affected. Notice that it says in the margin of the law "subsisting copyrights not affected". <dl> <dd></dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> I am not a lawyer. I know some editors here are very experienced with copyright and copyright law. Perhaps a few of them are lawyers and can comment on my interpretation. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Counterfeit_Purses?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Counterfeit Purses"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215045300-SilverStar54-20250214230200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:53, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215045300-SilverStar54-20250214230200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215045300-SilverStar54-20250214230200"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215045300"></span>No, that's not what this provision is doing. The idea of this provision is that, when a work whose federal copyright term has already begun (either due to publication or registration) is included in a compilation or some other larger work subject to copyright, the subsisting copyright is not extended, nor does the copyright owner of the compilation necessarily acquire a new copyright. The issue here is not inclusion in a new work per se, but a lack of notice on the republication of the existing work. The thing that might affect the force or validity is not the publication of the new work, but the authorized distribution of copies of the old work without notice (whether or not this occurs within the new work). <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215045300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215045300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215045300"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204000"></span>Just to be clear, are you saying this as a copyright lawyer? Or as a layperson like me? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Counterfeit_Purses?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Counterfeit Purses"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204000"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215230800-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000"></span>I'm not a lawyer. Since this is only a friendly academic discussion and nobody's giving legal advice, though, that doesn't matter. (Even if I were a lawyer, I wouldn't be speaking <i>as</i> one, nor would doing so make me more or less correct.) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215230800-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215230800-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215230800-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216164800-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215230800"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> I think this discussion has no hope of arriving at any useful outcome if all well-meaning editors jump in to give their received knowledge of copyright law. In the discussion that prompted this, I've already seen plainly incorrect interpretations confidently stated as fact by veteran editors. My hope is that we can arrive at a consensus that we don't know the answer to this question and ask the WMF to get a legal opinion that we can use as the basis for policy. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Counterfeit_Purses?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Counterfeit Purses"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216164800-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215230800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216164800-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215230800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216164800-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215230800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yann-20250216185600-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216164800"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a>: WMF Legal department almost never gives a legal opinion. If they do, they would loose the protection they have. Commons has worked for the last 20 years with informed opinions by knowledgeable volunteers, with very few legal issues (please see <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Office_actions/DMCA_notices?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Office actions/DMCA notices">Commons:Office actions/DMCA notices</a>). So we have to get all possible information, and form a consensus with that. Regards, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Yann"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Yann-20250216185600-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216164800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yann-20250216185600-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216164800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yann-20250216185600-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216164800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216204100-Yann-20250216185600"></span>@Yann If you're referring to Section 230 immunity, providing a legal opinion would have no bearing on that. <dl> <dd></dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> Further, the WMF already restricts what content is allowed via the <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Terms_of_Use">terms of use</a>. One of the things that is explicitly prohibited is "Infringing copyrights, trademarks, patents, or other proprietary rights under the applicable law". Commons should be asking for the WMF for assistance in determining whether or not we are infringing copyright in these cases. <dl> <dd></dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> If users held a discussion on the Village Pump and decided by consensus that we would ignore all copyrights, I am sure that the WMF would very quickly step in. Community consensus is fine for setting policy, but abiding by copyright law is a legal obligation for the WMF. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Counterfeit_Purses?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Counterfeit Purses"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216204100-Yann-20250216185600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216204100-Yann-20250216185600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216204100-Yann-20250216185600"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250216205100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216204100"></span>I'm going to say again something I've said before: I've had conversations with two people at WMF Legal about Commons' approach to copyrights, in a broad context. Both said that their personal opinion is that Commons is generally too <i>conservative</i> about copyright, restricting beyond what they would consider reasonable doubt. </dd> <dd> I would be hard-pressed to name a site on the Internet that is more cautious about copyright than Commons. Compared to other sites where a broad range of people self-submit material, nothing comes close. I absolutely to not think we need to become yet more cautious. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250216205100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216204100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250216205100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216204100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250216205100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250216204100"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215232000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000"></span>You might want to read <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article%3D6177%26context%3Dpenn_law_review">this article</a>, which deals with the issue a bit — the case law on subsisting copyrights is mixed. There are a number of issues with <i>Grove Press</i> with relation to international distribution (now affected by the URAA) and other facts that make it quite unlike the AP case. </dd> <dd> The AP photos in question were not distributed to newspapers as published works with a notice, nor were copyrights registered for them. If publication occurred through the distribution to papers itself, then that publication occurring without notice resulted in the photos entering the public domain before being reprinted in the newspapers. If the publication occurred only when put in the newspapers themselves, then this was a first publication of the photograph, and there was no subsisting copyright, because "copyright" in the 1909 Act refers to <i>federal</i> copyright, which only applied to works that were already published or for which a federal copyright was already registered. The 1909 Act acknowledges (§2) what we might call "common-law copyright," which was (before the 1976 Act) governed by state law, but such an unpublished work was, until being published (or registered), not "copyrighted" in the sense that the 1909 Act uses teh word. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215232000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:20, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215232000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215232000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215214000"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilverStar54-20250217012700-SilverStar54-20250214230200"></span>Once the admins decide that enough of a consensus has been reached, can I ask that a summary of it be added to a Commons policy page somewhere, and linked to from <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Photographs_distributed_by_Associated_Press?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Photographs distributed by Associated Press">Category:Photographs distributed by Associated Press</a> and <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:United_Press_International_photographs?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:United Press International photographs">Category:United Press International photographs</a>? </dd> <dd> It seems that this question has come up several times, so having a policy to point to would be helpful. If people want to challenge the consensus, it would also give them a place to do so (rather than just submitting deletion requests for every individual photo). <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SilverStar54?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SilverStar54">SilverStar54</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SilverStar54?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SilverStar54"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-SilverStar54-20250217012700-SilverStar54-20250214230200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:27, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilverStar54-20250217012700-SilverStar54-20250214230200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilverStar54-20250217012700-SilverStar54-20250214230200"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250217042200-SilverStar54-20250217012700"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SilverStar54?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SilverStar54">SilverStar54</a>: </span> Sure, though it's not entirely up to admins to <i>reach</i> a consensus, only to <i>articulate</i> the consensus. Once a consensus is reached, really anyone could write what you are asking for. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250217042200-SilverStar54-20250217012700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250217042200-SilverStar54-20250217012700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250217042200-SilverStar54-20250217012700"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <p><br><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250215190700-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"></span>The following is an attempt to restore a comment by <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jameslwoodward">User:Jameslwoodward</a> that was made as part of an edit that had many bad side effects. It was not intended as part of this particular thread--it was responding to an archived section on the same topic--but it rolled back a day or so of everyone else's activity. Jim, feel free to re-edit as you wish, I'm just trying to mitigate. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250215190700-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250215190700-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250215190700-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><br><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jameslwoodward-20250215152000-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"></span> There are several things above that I am not comfortable with.</p> <dl> <dd> 1) The copyright notice does not have to be on the masthead. NYT puts it on the front page to the left of its name. USCO Circular 3 at page 3 says <dl> <dd> <dl> <dd> "Works Published as Periodicals or Other Serials </dd> <dd> • Any location acceptable for books </dd> <dd> • As part of, or adjacent to, the masthead or on the page containing the masthead </dd> <dd> • Adjacent to a prominent heading, appearing at or near the front of the issue, containing the title of the periodical and any combination of the volume and issue number and the date of the issue." </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> 2) I think that publication of an AP work by a newspaper without notice is a violation of its contract with AP and therefore unauthorized. Unauthorized publication of copyrighted works have no effect on copyright status. </dd> <dd> 3) I don't know why any AP works would not have a copyright. </dd> </dl> <p>Therefore I think we are on dangerous ground keeping any AP image unless its copyright has expired or we can show that the copyright was not renewed when required. .     <strong><strong>Jim</strong></strong> . . . <small><small><small><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jameslwoodward">(Jameslwoodward)</a></small></small></small> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jameslwoodward">talk to me</a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jameslwoodward-20250215152000-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jameslwoodward-20250215152000-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jameslwoodward-20250215152000-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"></span> <br><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250215190700-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978-1"></span>END RESTORED CONTENT - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250215190700-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250215190700-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250215190700-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978-1"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250215190900-Jmabel-20250215190700"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jameslwoodward">Jameslwoodward</a>: </span> it would seem that under that theory, no publisher could ever lose an author their copyright by omitting a notice, because the failure to preserve it was presumably unauthorized. Or am I missing something? - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250215190900-Jmabel-20250215190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250215190900-Jmabel-20250215190700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250215190900-Jmabel-20250215190700"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800-Jmabel-20250215190900"></span>Exactly. Look at it the other way - if someone published something at that time without a copyright and it included your copyrighted work (without your knowledge or authorization), should your copyright be lost due to their actions? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Counterfeit_Purses?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Counterfeit Purses"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800-Jmabel-20250215190900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800-Jmabel-20250215190900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800-Jmabel-20250215190900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215205400-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800"></span>AP photos were not included in newspapers "without the AP's knowledge or authorization," though. The AP authorized the publication of its photos in newspapers; that was the point of the AP. But, more generally, the question is whether <i>publication</i> was authorized, and not whether <i>publication without a notice</i> was authorized. The omission of notice, even accidental, would result in a loss of copyright. For example, the creators of <i>Night of the Living Dead</i> originally included a copyright notice, but the distributors, who were tasked with changing the title of the film, forgot to re-insert the copyright notice when adding the new title card. This resulted in the film entering the public domain, because the <i>publication</i> by the distributor was indeed authorized, even though the notice's omission was not intended by the original creators. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215205400-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215205400-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215205400-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215205400"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> In my example, Jmabel has not authorized the use of their copyrighted image. Does Jmabel lose their copyright? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Counterfeit_Purses?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Counterfeit Purses"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215205400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215205400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215205400"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250215215400-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a>: </span> completely irrelevant. Of course even under the old law a <i>completely unauthorized</i> use of your materials did not lose you copyright (though I'm not sure if repeated tolerance of that might have over time, and I'd be interested in someone's knowledgeable on that, even if it's not germane to this case). But that isn't what was going on here: a wire service was distributing content to its subscribers <i>precisely</i> for purposes of republication. This is not very different from an author handing a book to a publisher for publication. Clearly, pre-1978 in the U.S., that author lost their copyright if the publisher failed to include a notice. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250215215400-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250215215400-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250215215400-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215224400-Jmabel-20250215215400"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> Are saying that you believe an <i>unauthorized</i> use of copyrighted material <i>in a collective work</i> at that time did not invalidate an existing copyright if there was no copyright notice? But it would if the use was authorized? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Counterfeit_Purses?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Counterfeit Purses"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215224400-Jmabel-20250215215400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215224400-Jmabel-20250215215400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215224400-Jmabel-20250215215400"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250215225800-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215224400"></span>I'm saying that at least <i>some</i> unauthorized uses would not invalidate a copyright. I have no knowledge either way of whether repeated unauthorized use (if not objected to) <i>could</i> invalidate a copyright (it certainly could invalidate a trademark). And, yes authorized publication without notice could invalidate a copyright. That's what notice was about. I gather that courts ruled that if the uses without copyright were a very relatively few, that could be overlooked and copyright retained, and I doubt that case law ever drew a bright line as to where you went from one situation to the other. But as <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> has pointed out, we are drifting very far from the issue, which is that AP generally did not bother with copyrighting their material at all. </dd> <dd> I personally have more experience with UPI than with AP. I can definitely say that when I worked at a radio station in the 1970s, there were no copyright notices in the UPI teletype messages that we received and on which we based our newscasts. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250215225800-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215224400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250215225800-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215224400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250215225800-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215224400"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bastique-20250219001300-Jmabel-20250215225800"></span>What you said about UPI, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> --this is the crux of it right here. I am not opposed to using AP photos, but I'd like to know for reasonable certainty that AP did not issue copyright notices in their transmissions. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastique">☎ let's talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bastique-20250219001300-Jmabel-20250215225800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastique-20250219001300-Jmabel-20250215225800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastique-20250219001300-Jmabel-20250215225800"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215220000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600"></span>If the author never authorized <i>publication</i> of the image, then, no, it did not count as an authorized publication. An unauthorized publication of a work could not begin the federal copyright term - nor could it result in loss of an existing copyright (common law or federal). Unauthorized publications, in short, do not count as publication. </dd> <dd> However, you are missing the point that @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> was making. We are not talking about a work being used without permission. The AP gave the newspapers permission to print their photos. </dd> <dd> @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jameslwoodward">Jameslwoodward</a> posited that the AP would have contractually required the newspapers to print a copyright notice. This is unlikely; the AP's business model at the time didn't rely on retaining copyrights, and, in order to validly apply to AP-copyrighted material at that time, the notice would have had to have been specific to the AP (something I don't think was ever found). Putting those concerns aside, though, even if there <i>were</i> a contract requiring the printing of an AP copyright notice, accidental publication without a notice wouldn't be considered unauthorized; see my mention of the <i>Night of the Living Dead</i> case. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215220000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215220000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215220000-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215213600"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Prosfilaes-20250216081100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800"></span>If you wanted a system where a lack of copyright notice meant a work was in the public domain, period, then it would be up to the author to never distribute the works in any way that they could be copied. There are of course clashing motivations that lead to the conclusion that <i>that</i> was excessively unfair to the author, but if the author hands the work over for publication, then they need to make sure the publisher puts a copyright notice on it or lose their copyright.--<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Prosfilaes?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Prosfilaes">Prosfilaes</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Prosfilaes?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Prosfilaes"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Prosfilaes-20250216081100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Prosfilaes-20250216081100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Prosfilaes-20250216081100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250215200800"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200-Jmabel-20250215190900"></span>If the owner of the copyright omits it, then the work is PD. But, if a newspaper licenses the use of a work from the copyright owner with a license that includes a provision that the newspaper must give notice, and the newspaper does not do so, the use is unauthorized and has no effect on the work's copyright. .     <strong><strong>Jim</strong></strong> . . . <small><small><small><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jameslwoodward">(Jameslwoodward)</a></small></small></small> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jameslwoodward">talk to me</a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200-Jmabel-20250215190900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200-Jmabel-20250215190900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200-Jmabel-20250215190900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yann-20250217183500-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jameslwoodward">Jim</a>: Yes, that's the whole question. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> says above that it is unlikely that AP required a copyright notice. I don't know if it matters, but if there was a notice, it was never "(c) Associated Press" or "(c) AP". <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Yann"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Yann-20250217183500-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yann-20250217183500-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yann-20250217183500-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250217184400-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200"></span>(cross-posted) <span class="template-ping">@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jameslwoodward">Jameslwoodward</a>: </span> there are at least two big "ifs" there: <ol> <li>This assumes there was ever a copyright notice in the first place, and that contracts required that copyright be indicated when republishing. Again, those of us who dealt with wire services in this period can't recall seeing such notices, and several people have cited indications there typically there were none: copyright was not part of the business model.</li> <li>I would agree with your reasoning for a one-off, but courts have certainly ruled in other matters that repeated failure over time to enforce a contractual provision in an ongoing business relationship, or even object to violations, amounts to implicit permission. Analogy: if I pasture cattle, and write a contract with you that you are required to maintain the fence, which we both completely ignore, it doesn't make my neighbor any less able to sue me when my cattle wander onto his land. I might be separately able to sue you, but I'm not off the hook simply for signing a contract passing my obligation on to you.</li> </ol> </dd> <dd> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250217184400-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250217184400-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250217184400-Jameslwoodward-20250217142200"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218080500-Jmabel-20250217184400"></span>Even if we assumed (1), which is highly implausible, I don't think there is any reason to accept the notion that the publication would be unauthorized in the sense required under the then-current law. </dd> <dd> The 1909 Act said that "such notice shall be affixed to each copy thereof published or offered for sale in the United States by authority of the copyright proprietor." Any reproduction that took place with the proprietor's general assent had to include the notice. </dd> <dd> The common law copyright could protect the author of an unpublished work from first publication, but, upon assenting to publication, there was no provision which would protect the author in case the notice was malformed. </dd> <dd> Corporations lost copyrights when employees - or distributors - made errors regarding notices; this made no difference. It was ultimately the responsibility of the would-be copyright holder to make sure that copied <i>actually</i> bore a notice. </dd> <dd> The reason for the notice requirements also tied into public policy. The general idea was that any item published without a notice was in the public domain. If you got a copy without a notice, you were supposed to be able to rely on that. </dd> <dd> There might be a limited exception (and innocent infringement) in the rare case where the copies were of a truly stolen work, but there was certainly no desire to create a system in which a work could be considered "unpublished" <i>just in case</i> no valid notice was required. This would totally defeat the purpose of the requirement as it existed then, and would have presumably prevented almost <i>any</i> work from accidentally entering the public domain due to a failure to include a valid notice. As I said, the omission of notice by the <i>distributor</i> of <i>Night of the Living Dead</i> was fatal; this is a perfect analog. </dd> <dd> I think this all comes down to anachronistic thinking. Today, public domain dedications must be clear and intentional. They did not have to be under the 1909 Act. And, even if the contract's terms were not followed (and, again, this is extremely unlikely), such publication was still made <i>under the authority</i> of the proprietor. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218080500-Jmabel-20250217184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218080500-Jmabel-20250217184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218080500-Jmabel-20250217184400"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250218173500-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218080500"></span>For the purposes of this discussion I think we can safely assume that the AP images had been previously published. AP was in the business of selling copy and images to newspapers. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Counterfeit_Purses?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Counterfeit Purses"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250218173500-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218080500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250218173500-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218080500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250218173500-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218080500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218174100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250218173500"></span>Well, most AP images were first put out for public consumption via many newspapers on the same day. The question would be whether the AP distributing the items to papers was publication, or if publication only occurred once the items were put in the papers (although these would take place within a day of one another). In any case, the items were almost certainly distributed without notice to the papers (so, if that's publication, the later events are irrelevant) and then proceeded to appear in a significant number of papers without a notice afterwards. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218174100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250218173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218174100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250218173500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218174100-Counterfeit_Purses-20250218173500"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204600-Jmabel-20250215190700"></span>It is true that copyright notices did not have to be on the masthead. I do not see, however, why you would assume that AP photographs were required by contract to be printed with copyright notices. According to the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://guides.loc.gov/p-and-p-rights-and-restrictions/rights%23155_wide.html">Library of Congress</a>, the AP only ever registered copyright on a few images before 1963, and never renewed any copyrights. As @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Prosfilaes?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Prosfilaes">Prosfilaes</a> and @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Toohool?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Toohool">Toohool</a> write above, the AP did not base its business model on copyright at that time. I find it extremely doubtful that the AP would have required publication to occur with an AP copyright notice. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204600-Jmabel-20250215190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204600-Jmabel-20250215190700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250215204600-Jmabel-20250215190700"></span> </dd> </dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"></span>I will grant that it is entirely possible that the AP did not require copyright notices. Even given that, if the paper had notice, then that would cover all editorial material in the paper, including AP photos. I think that virtually all periodicals pre-1989 had notice somewhere, so I still think we are on dangerous ground if we keep an image unless someone has search all of the places in the periodical that notice might legally be (see my quote from USCO Circular 3 above). .     <strong><strong>Jim</strong></strong> . . . <small><small><small><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jameslwoodward">(Jameslwoodward)</a></small></small></small> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jameslwoodward">talk to me</a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900-Copyright_for_wire_photos_published_from_1963-1978"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218173900-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900"></span>Nowhere near all pre-1989 periodicals had a copyright notice. Many, many newspapers (especially local newspapers) did not. Go on Newspapers.com and look at local newspapers from that era and you will find many have no notices anywhere in the paper. And during the relevant era, any significant number of copies being distributed without a notice was sufficient to put an image in the public domain. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218173900-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218173900-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250218173900-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900"></span> </dd> </dl> <ul> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ajpolino-20250218231100-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900"></span>Having read the above, I don't see why wire photos should be singled out for special treatment. Works published in the US between 1963 and 1978 without notice are in the public domain. Some of the discussion above concerns the case where there <i>is</i> some copyright notice on the work – I think we all agree that in such cases the image is still protected (We should caution uploaders that the notice may not be in the masthead, as has been referenced above). But if there's no notice, then it's in the public domain. As <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> notes above, even <i>accidental omission</i> of copyright notice in works of that era leaves a work in the public domain now. So we don't have to engage in an exercise where we imagine copyright agreements that AP may or may not have wished that it might have engaged in. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Ajpolino?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ajpolino">Ajpolino</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Ajpolino?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Ajpolino"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Ajpolino-20250218231100-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ajpolino-20250218231100-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ajpolino-20250218231100-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100-Ajpolino-20250218231100"></span>I think we're singling out wire photos because it is easy to identify them as not being the work of the newspaper. The newspaper can lose the copyright to its own work, but not to work that someone else may have already copyrighted. In my belief. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)">Counterfeit Purses</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Counterfeit_Purses?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Counterfeit Purses"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100-Ajpolino-20250218231100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100-Ajpolino-20250218231100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100-Ajpolino-20250218231100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bastique-20250219001500-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> points out UPI's lack of copyright notice above when transmitting photos to publications. I'd like to know with reasonable certainty that AP did the same thing. Only then would I be in favor of hosting these photos on Commons. As it stands, there's enough of a question to prevent hosting them. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastique">☎ let's talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bastique-20250219001500-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastique-20250219001500-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastique-20250219001500-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ajpolino-20250219033100-Bastique-20250219001500"></span>Bastique, I don't think it would make any difference what the AP transmissions included. As D. Benjamin Miller said above <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r981921851">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">Any reproduction that took place with the proprietor's general assent had to include the notice</q>. It's hard to imagine now, but the notice carried the weight of the law during this era. Lose the notice, lose the copyright. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Ajpolino?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ajpolino">Ajpolino</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Ajpolino?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Ajpolino"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Ajpolino-20250219033100-Bastique-20250219001500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:31, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ajpolino-20250219033100-Bastique-20250219001500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ajpolino-20250219033100-Bastique-20250219001500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bastique-20250219193900-Ajpolino-20250219033100"></span>Unless I missed something, nobody here is a copyright lawyer. Again, it's not as clear cut as you think and the precautionary principal is 100% in force when there's a significant question. Whether US law would compare this to the "movie distributor" example mentioned above is also a matter of question that I doubt has been resolved by US law. Unless that is resolved, whether <i>the copyright holder</i> provided a copyright notice is, actually, what we would rightfully consider here on Commons. <i>It probably doesn't matter</i> is not good enough, and nobody has provided proof that it absolutely doesn't matter. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastique">☎ let's talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bastique-20250219193900-Ajpolino-20250219033100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastique-20250219193900-Ajpolino-20250219033100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastique-20250219193900-Ajpolino-20250219033100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250220053900-Bastique-20250219193900"></span>Here are examples of AP photos as distributed. <ul> <li>1960: <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Maureen_Stapleton_-_Toys_in_the_Attic_(1960;_front)_(cropped).jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Maureen Stapleton - Toys in the Attic (1960; front) (cropped).jpg">front</a>, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Maureen_Stapleton_-_Toys_in_the_Attic_(1960;_back).jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Maureen Stapleton - Toys in the Attic (1960; back).jpg">back</a>.</li> <li>1967: <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Robert_Stanfield_1968_press_photo.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Robert Stanfield 1968 press photo.jpg">front and back (in file history)</a></li> <li>1985: <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Shelley_Duvall_1985_(AP_press_photo).jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Shelley Duvall 1985 (AP press photo).jpg">front and back (in file history)</a></li> </ul> </dd> <dd> As you can see, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jameslwoodward">Jameslwoodward</a>, right through the 1980s AP photos customarily included no copyright notice (in the form in which they were distributed to newspapers). Additionally, many newspapers which published these photos did not include a copyright notice at all. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250220053900-Bastique-20250219193900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250220053900-Bastique-20250219193900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250220053900-Bastique-20250219193900"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Counterfeit_Purses&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Counterfeit Purses (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ajpolino-20250219003300-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100"></span>Counterfeit Purses</a> I won't repeat <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> exactly, but will point back to <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Living_Dead%23Copyright_status_and_home_media" class="extiw" title="en:Night of the Living Dead">en:Night_of_the_Living_Dead#Copyright_status_and_home_media</a>. An accidental omission by a <i>distributor</i> (which is what a newspaper would be here) resulted in the loss of copyright. I.e. a distributor can lose the copyright to someone else's work. Either way, we're talking about an era where notice is required to maintain copyright, and we have no evidence that wire services ever provided notice alongside publication. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Ajpolino?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ajpolino">Ajpolino</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Ajpolino?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Ajpolino"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Ajpolino-20250219003300-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ajpolino-20250219003300-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ajpolino-20250219003300-Counterfeit_Purses-20250219001100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bastique-20250220001700-Ajpolino-20250219003300"></span>Something was bothering me about this comparison, and I realize now what it was. Referring to the newspaper as the "distributor" is deceptive. That may be the effect, but it is not their role. AP is providing a service to the newspapers, not the other way around. </dd> <dd> The difference is agency. The newspapers are not an agent of the AP. They have no rights or duties with regard to the products the AP is providing them. They have purchased the use of the images for their own product and service, which is, providing the news. They have no responsibility or obligation to distribute the APs images at all. The AP provided a service to the newspapers. </dd> <dd> In the case of the <i>Night of the Living Dead</i>, the distributor is an agent of the production company. Their sole role is to distribute that content. The loss of copyright is not simply that there was no copyright notice, it was that there was no copyright notice by a company that was acting as an agent of the copyright holder. An agent whose sole purpose was to distribute the copyrighted item in question. The distributor provided the service to the production company. In that way, these two things are the reverse of one another. </dd> <dd> This difference is enough to make these two things not parallel at all, therefore <i>The Night of the Living Dead</i> is, an unhelpful comparison. </dd> <dd> All that being said, I agree that the AP <i>probably</i> did not provide a copyright notice when sending the photos to the newspapers. But <i>probably</i> isn't good enough for Commons. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastique">☎ let's talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bastique-20250220001700-Ajpolino-20250219003300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastique-20250220001700-Ajpolino-20250219003300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastique-20250220001700-Ajpolino-20250219003300"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250220051000-Bastique-20250220001700"></span>First of all, there is absolutely no reason to think this "agency" distinction you bring up is in any way relevant. Nothing in the Copyright Act of 1909 mentions a distinction of the sort, and I cannot find any case law which uses this sort of distinction in any way that would be relevant to this case. The law relates to copies <i>made under the authority of the proprietor</i> — that is, <i>authorized</i> copies — and requires that substantially all have a proper notice. </dd> <dd> The newspapers certainly had <i>rights</i> — they had the right to include the content in the newspaper. Moreover, the "agent"/"client" distinction itself is highly dubious. The distributors of films paid for rights to films, just as newspapers paid for access to AP transmissions. Both film distributors and newspapers were making copies under the authority of the previous proprietor. </dd> <dd> You may say that the AP provided a service to newspapers — and sure, they did, but the relationship was a two-way street! Without newspapers buying access, the AP would have had no money, and nobody would have seen the AP's content. </dd> <dd> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250220051000-Bastique-20250220001700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250220051000-Bastique-20250220001700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250220051000-Bastique-20250220001700"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Prosfilaes-20250220074200-Bastique-20250220001700"></span>The purpose of that law is that anyone who receives a copy of the work can look at it and go "hey, there's a copyright notice on here, I'm going to have to wait until year+96 for it to be in the public domain" or "hey, there's no copyright notice here, I must be able to use it." When a court ruled that a foreign copy of the work marked "do not import into the US" didn't have to have a copyright notice, the next version of the law said "Yes, yes it does". It seems clearly counter to the purpose of the law that that a mass producer of works could retain their copyright despite there being no notice on the copies of the works being printed. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://copyright.gov/comp3/chap2100/doc/appendixA-noticerequirements.pdf">The US Copyright Office's Copyright Compendium</a> says "If a considerable number of copies have been published without notice, registration will be denied." The only thing it says about licensees is "A notice naming, a licensee alone (e.g., 11 Copyright 1960, Tinpan Music Co., U.S. Licensee.") will not be accepted." <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Copyright_Act_of_1909" class="extiw" title="s:Copyright Act of 1909">s:Copyright Act of 1909</a>, with minor changes, stood until 1978. It says "Sec. 9. That any person entitled thereto by this Act may secure copyright for his work by publication thereof with the notice of copyright required by this Act; and such notice shall be affixed to each copy thereof published or offered for sale in the United States by authority of the copyright proprietor, except in the case of books seeking ad interim protection under section twenty-one of this Act." The AP licensed it to them, it was published by authority of the copyright proprietor.--<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Prosfilaes?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Prosfilaes">Prosfilaes</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Prosfilaes?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Prosfilaes"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Prosfilaes-20250220074200-Bastique-20250220001700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Prosfilaes-20250220074200-Bastique-20250220001700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Prosfilaes-20250220074200-Bastique-20250220001700"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yann-20250220105200-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900"></span>Thanks for all the detailed analysis. FYI, I undeleted <a class="external text" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests&oldid=1000534436&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Press_photographs_from_before_1978">one file</a>. Other deleted files should probably also be undeleted by the same rationale. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Yann"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Yann-20250220105200-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yann-20250220105200-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yann-20250220105200-Jameslwoodward-20250218154900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilverStar54-20250220190800-Yann-20250220105200"></span>Added a short sentence to <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:United_Press_International_photographs?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:United Press International photographs">Category:United Press International photographs</a> and <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Photographs_distributed_by_Associated_Press?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Photographs distributed by Associated Press">Category:Photographs distributed by Associated Press</a>. If someone knows how a copyright notice had to be included (did a copyright notice for the newspaper as a whole count, or did a copyright notice need to be included for each photograph), that would be helpful to add as well. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SilverStar54?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SilverStar54">SilverStar54</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SilverStar54?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SilverStar54"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-SilverStar54-20250220190800-Yann-20250220105200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilverStar54-20250220190800-Yann-20250220105200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilverStar54-20250220190800-Yann-20250220105200"></span> </dd> </dl></li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Top_icon_copyright" data-mw-thread-id="h-Top_icon_copyright-20250216095800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Top_icon_copyright-20250216095800"></span>Top icon copyright<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Top_icon_copyright-20250216095800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=3&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Top icon copyright"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250216095800-Top_icon_copyright"></span>Hello!</p> <p>According to {{<a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tm:Top_icon" class="extiw" title="w:tm:Top icon">Top icon</a>}} on enwiki, it says that images with attribution licenses are disallowed. However, if I were to add a disclaimer about the author and license in a tooltip, such that it shows up when the user hovers over it, would it still be a copyright violation? <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-QuickQuokka-20250216095800-Top_icon_copyright" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250216095800-Top_icon_copyright"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250216095800-Top_icon_copyright"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250216175500-QuickQuokka-20250216095800"></span>Technically, probably yes (though I don't think a tooltip would do unless you have some alternative for access on a phone), but why on earth would you want to encumber yourself that way when using something for this purpose? Just choose a different image. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250216175500-QuickQuokka-20250216095800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250216175500-QuickQuokka-20250216095800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250216175500-QuickQuokka-20250216095800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250217094000-Jmabel-20250216175500"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a>: </span> Well, the top icons don't appear on the mobile version of Wikipedia anyways, and it is a logo licensed under CC BY-SA with no non-attribution alternatives... Would that do? <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-QuickQuokka-20250217094000-Jmabel-20250216175500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250217094000-Jmabel-20250216175500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250217094000-Jmabel-20250216175500"></span> </dd> <dd> <blockquote> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250217094300-Jmabel-20250216175500"></span>This template does not display in the mobile view of Wikipedia</p> </blockquote> </dd> <dd> <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-QuickQuokka-20250217094300-Jmabel-20250216175500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250217094300-Jmabel-20250216175500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250217094300-Jmabel-20250216175500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250217184500-QuickQuokka-20250217094300"></span>Sounds reasonable to me. Possibly some code (if possible) to produce a clear error message if this is ever shown in the mobile version? </dd> <dd> Anyone else have thoughts? </dd> <dd> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250217184500-QuickQuokka-20250217094300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250217184500-QuickQuokka-20250217094300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250217184500-QuickQuokka-20250217094300"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250222150200-Jmabel-20250217184500"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a>: </span> Another concern is that the CC BY-SA 4.0 license requires either the license text or a URI to the license. It doesn't specify that the URI must be clickable, so having it in the tooltip may still be OK, but it's getting more questionable... <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-QuickQuokka-20250222150200-Jmabel-20250217184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250222150200-Jmabel-20250217184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250222150200-Jmabel-20250217184500"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="File:Wappen_Bergerhausen.png" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Wappen_Bergerhausen.png-20250216180800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Wappen_Bergerhausen.png-20250216180800"></span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Wappen_Bergerhausen.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Wappen Bergerhausen.png">File:Wappen Bergerhausen.png</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Wappen_Bergerhausen.png-20250216180800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=4&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: File:Wappen Bergerhausen.png"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GerritR-20250216180800-File:Wappen_Bergerhausen.png"></span>Bei der Behaltenssentscheidung gegen den Löschantrag wurde übersehen, dass der Antrag auch aufs Copyright abzielte. Daher muss hier drüber diskutiert werden. Siehe <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Wappen_Bergerhausen.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Deletion requests/File:Wappen Bergerhausen.png">Commons:Deletion requests/File:Wappen Bergerhausen.png</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:GerritR?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:GerritR">GerritR</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:GerritR?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:GerritR"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-GerritR-20250216180800-File:Wappen_Bergerhausen.png" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GerritR-20250216180800-File:Wappen_Bergerhausen.png"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GerritR-20250216180800-File:Wappen_Bergerhausen.png"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnom-20250216185200-GerritR-20250216180800"></span>Hm, das müsste man halt mal recherchieren (zum Beispiel indem man bei der Gemeinde anfragt). <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Gnom?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Gnom">Gnom</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Gnom?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Gnom"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Gnom-20250216185200-GerritR-20250216180800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnom-20250216185200-GerritR-20250216180800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnom-20250216185200-GerritR-20250216180800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GerritR-20250216201700-Gnom-20250216185200"></span>Dieses "man" hätte der Hochlader sein müssen, ich sehe micht nicht dazu verpflichtet, solche Ermittlungen durchzuführen. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:GerritR?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:GerritR">GerritR</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:GerritR?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:GerritR"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-GerritR-20250216201700-Gnom-20250216185200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GerritR-20250216201700-Gnom-20250216185200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GerritR-20250216201700-Gnom-20250216185200"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GerritR-20250223095400-GerritR-20250216201700"></span>Sonst keine Meinungen dazu? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:GerritR?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:GerritR">GerritR</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:GerritR?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:GerritR"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-GerritR-20250223095400-GerritR-20250216201700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GerritR-20250223095400-GerritR-20250216201700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GerritR-20250223095400-GerritR-20250216201700"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> This COA is probably copyrighted, because it's probably a non-official coat of arms of a village, above TOO and with unknown age. </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Rapid_Response_47" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rapid_Response_47-20250218154300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rapid_Response_47-20250218154300"></span>Rapid Response 47<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rapid_Response_47-20250218154300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=5&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Rapid Response 47"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AbchyZa22-20250218154300-Rapid_Response_47"></span>Buenas ,se puede publicar el logo de Rapid Response como <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://x.com/RapidResponse47?t%3D-yLjfiOUMn6tAmczzI2jrw%26s%3D09">este</a> (la cuenta esta afiliada por White House en EEUU)? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:AbchyZa22?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:AbchyZa22">AbchyZa22</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:AbchyZa22?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:AbchyZa22"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-AbchyZa22-20250218154300-Rapid_Response_47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AbchyZa22-20250218154300-Rapid_Response_47"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AbchyZa22-20250218154300-Rapid_Response_47"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BMacZero-20250218170900-AbchyZa22-20250218154300"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:AbchyZa22?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:AbchyZa22">AbchyZa22</a>: </span> The image of the White House is the primary copyrightable element, so I think it depends on where they sourced that image from. If it is a licensed stock image, we would not be able to host it. I wasn't able to find that particular drawing online with some searching, so it may have been created by or for them specifically. In that case <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:PD-US-Gov?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:PD-US-Gov"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-US-Gov}}</span></a> could apply. Sorry that that is not a definitive answer, hopefully other people can shed more light on it. – <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:BMacZero?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:BMacZero">BMacZero</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:BMacZero?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#top" title="User talk:BMacZero">🗩</a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-BMacZero-20250218170900-AbchyZa22-20250218154300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BMacZero-20250218170900-AbchyZa22-20250218154300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BMacZero-20250218170900-AbchyZa22-20250218154300"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AbchyZa22-20250218171900-BMacZero-20250218170900"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:BMacZero?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:BMacZero">BMacZero</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.whitehouse.gov/copyright/">look</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:AbchyZa22?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:AbchyZa22">AbchyZa22</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:AbchyZa22?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:AbchyZa22"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-AbchyZa22-20250218171900-BMacZero-20250218170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AbchyZa22-20250218171900-BMacZero-20250218170900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AbchyZa22-20250218171900-BMacZero-20250218170900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BMacZero-20250219065500-AbchyZa22-20250218171900"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:AbchyZa22?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:AbchyZa22">AbchyZa22</a>: </span> That is good, since the image used in the logo appears to be the same one that's used on whitehouse.gov, I think it's probably safe to say that <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:PD-USGov?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:PD-USGov"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-USGov}}</span></a> applies. – <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:BMacZero?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:BMacZero">BMacZero</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:BMacZero?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#top" title="User talk:BMacZero">🗩</a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-BMacZero-20250219065500-AbchyZa22-20250218171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BMacZero-20250219065500-AbchyZa22-20250218171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BMacZero-20250219065500-AbchyZa22-20250218171900"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="WikiAfrica/Artgate" data-mw-thread-id="h-WikiAfrica/Artgate-20250219090300"><span id="WikiAfrica.2FArtgate"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WikiAfrica/Artgate-20250219090300"></span>WikiAfrica/Artgate<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WikiAfrica/Artgate-20250219090300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=6&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: WikiAfrica/Artgate"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yann-20250219090300-WikiAfrica/Artgate"></span>Hi, We have a number of recent paintings with <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:WikiAfrica/Artgate?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:WikiAfrica/Artgate"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{WikiAfrica/Artgate}}</span></a>, e.g. among others:</p> <ul> <li><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Artgate_Fondazione_Cariplo_-_De_Rocchi_Francesco,_Venezia_-_San_Marco.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Artgate Fondazione Cariplo - De Rocchi Francesco, Venezia - San Marco.jpg">File:Artgate Fondazione Cariplo - De Rocchi Francesco, Venezia - San Marco.jpg</a></li> <li><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Artgate_Fondazione_Cariplo_-_Di_Romagna_Alfredo,_Piazza_del_Duomo_a_Milano.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Artgate Fondazione Cariplo - Di Romagna Alfredo, Piazza del Duomo a Milano.jpg">File:Artgate Fondazione Cariplo - Di Romagna Alfredo, Piazza del Duomo a Milano.jpg</a></li> </ul> <p>I wonder if this foundation really has the right to give a free license for these works. Usually, only the artist and their heirs have this right. If this is the case, it should specifically mentioned in the permission. According to <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Volunteer_Response_Team/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=999787019&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">[5]</a>, the permission letter states that Fondazione Cariplo is the "sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the works". I personally think this is not sufficient. Many GLAMs wrongly claim to be the copyright owner of the works they host. We at least need to know how they acquired the copyright. Opinions? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Yann"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Yann-20250219090300-WikiAfrica/Artgate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yann-20250219090300-WikiAfrica/Artgate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yann-20250219090300-WikiAfrica/Artgate"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnom-20250219135400-Yann-20250219090300"></span>Well, if the statement made by the institution is correct, then we are good. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Gnom?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Gnom">Gnom</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Gnom?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Gnom"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Gnom-20250219135400-Yann-20250219090300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnom-20250219135400-Yann-20250219090300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnom-20250219135400-Yann-20250219090300"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-19h00s-20250219205800-Yann-20250219090300"></span>I don't know the specifics of reproduction copyright law in Italy, but on face value this would only really make legal sense if the heirs gave the museum the copyright of the underlying works or the artist themself bequeathed their copyright to the foundation upon their death, similar to what <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Burton" class="extiw" title="w:Scott Burton">w:Scott Burton</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/arts/design/scott-burton-sculptor-legacy-moma.html">did</a> with the Museum of Modern Art. But that's super rare; artists almost never donate the actual copyright ownership of their work to a museum. More likely, the foundation in this case is claiming that they own the copyright of the reproduction they created (the photograph <i>of</i> the painting), and therefore saying that they have the right to release it under a free license on Commons. But that seems like an outdated or bad-faith legal interpretation on the foundation's part, if Italian law has similar reproduction rules as the US/UK, which I'm more familiar with; high quality reproductions (duplications) of works with an existing copyright don't automatically get their own copyright, they're subject to the underlying work's status, depending on the type of work and a range of other factors. In the US and UK at least, for the foundation's copyright statement to be valid, the artist or their heir would have had to fully sign over the copyright for the underlying painting, or sign some sort of agreement allowing the foundation to own the copyright of these reproductions, which feels illogical. (This of course all rests on the assumption that the underlying paintings are indeed copyrighted, which I have no way to know personally, again I'm not super familiar with Italian copyright law). --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:19h00s"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-19h00s-20250219205800-Yann-20250219090300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-19h00s-20250219205800-Yann-20250219090300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-19h00s-20250219205800-Yann-20250219090300"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yann-20250219210500-19h00s-20250219205800"></span>Artworks in Italy are under a copyright for 70 years after the author's death, and in several cases, the author died less than 70 years ago. Also this permission is used for works in the public domain, and for works still under a copyright, which confirms my doubt. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Yann"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Yann-20250219210500-19h00s-20250219205800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yann-20250219210500-19h00s-20250219205800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yann-20250219210500-19h00s-20250219205800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-19h00s-20250220002100-Yann-20250219210500"></span>Yeah I'd agree with that assumption. And I'm just gonna take a wild guess that some folks at this foundation are probably not that familiar with the more complicated aspects of licensing/copyright/reproduction for works that are actually in copyright; their collection primarily comprises artwork far too old to necessitate thinking about respecting an artist's copyright, so it's probably not the first thing they think of when releasing images of art. Further, this isn't even an art museum or primarily art-focused foundation, but rather a nonprofit that supports a range of causes; they're most likely not art copyright experts and this could easily have been a mistake/oversight. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:19h00s">19h00s</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:19h00s?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:19h00s"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-19h00s-20250220002100-Yann-20250219210500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-19h00s-20250220002100-Yann-20250219210500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-19h00s-20250220002100-Yann-20250219210500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yann-20250220233000-19h00s-20250220002100"></span>I nominated these works for deletion. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Yann?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Yann"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Yann-20250220233000-19h00s-20250220002100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yann-20250220233000-19h00s-20250220002100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yann-20250220233000-19h00s-20250220002100"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Originality_of_city_logo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Originality_of_city_logo-20250219105300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Originality_of_city_logo-20250219105300"></span>Originality of city logo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Originality_of_city_logo-20250219105300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=7&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Originality of city logo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300-Originality_of_city_logo"></span>Hi!</p> <p>Is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.hof.de/typo3conf/ext/bitzinger_sitepackage/Resources/Public/Icons/logo-no-claim.svg">this logo</a> below the TOO? We need the German jurisdiction here, thanks :)</p> <p>--<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PantheraLeo1359531?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PantheraLeo1359531">PantheraLeo1359531 😺</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PantheraLeo1359531?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PantheraLeo1359531"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300-Originality_of_city_logo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300-Originality_of_city_logo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300-Originality_of_city_logo"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnom-20250219135500-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300"></span>Hi, I would assume that US law (which appears to be stricter about logos than German law) regards this as copyrighted. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Gnom?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Gnom">Gnom</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Gnom?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Gnom"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Gnom-20250219135500-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnom-20250219135500-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnom-20250219135500-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250219185200-Gnom-20250219135500"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Gnom?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Gnom">Gnom</a>: </span> what is that based on? I wouldn't consider this a clearcut case in the U.S. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250219185200-Gnom-20250219135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250219185200-Gnom-20250219135500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250219185200-Gnom-20250219135500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnom-20250219202200-Jmabel-20250219185200"></span>If you say so. My expertise lies with German and European law, under which I would see it as copyrighted. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Gnom?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Gnom">Gnom</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Gnom?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Gnom"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Gnom-20250219202200-Jmabel-20250219185200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnom-20250219202200-Jmabel-20250219185200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnom-20250219202200-Jmabel-20250219185200"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bastique-20250219202400-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PantheraLeo1359531?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PantheraLeo1359531">PantheraLeo1359531</a>: Distilling the conversation above, the answer is, <b>no</b>, it's quite likely <i>not</i> below TOO in Germany. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastique">Bastique</a> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastique?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastique">☎ let's talk!</a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bastique-20250219202400-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastique-20250219202400-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastique-20250219202400-PantheraLeo1359531-20250219105300"></span> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Drawn_image_copyright" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drawn_image_copyright-20250221003600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Drawn_image_copyright-20250221003600"></span>Drawn image copyright<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Drawn_image_copyright-20250221003600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=8&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Drawn image copyright"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Jerry_henderson_portrait.gif?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Deletion requests/File:Jerry henderson portrait.gif"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20250221003600-Drawn_image_copyright"></span>Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Jerry_henderson_portrait.gif</a> I can find tidbits about artists having drawn things a late as 1964 and the drawing was presumed to be created in the United States. It has not been 70 years.</p> <p>In the case of artwork, does it strictly remain with the artist, or does it go with the heir of the model? The uploader is resisting deletion and changed the copyright to "PD-70". <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Graywalls&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Graywalls (page does not exist)">Graywalls</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Graywalls"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Graywalls-20250221003600-Drawn_image_copyright" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:36, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20250221003600-Drawn_image_copyright"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20250221003600-Drawn_image_copyright"></span></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Westboro_Baptist_Church" data-mw-thread-id="h-Westboro_Baptist_Church-20250221004800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Westboro_Baptist_Church-20250221004800"></span>Westboro Baptist Church<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Westboro_Baptist_Church-20250221004800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=9&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Westboro Baptist Church"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayCubby-20250221004800-Westboro_Baptist_Church"></span>Are their materials Commons license-compatible? Their <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.godhatesfags.com/%23:~:text%3DWestboro%2520Baptist%2520Church%2520%25C2%25A9%25201955%252D2025%2520(You%2520may%2520use%2520any%2520of%2520our%2520material%2520free%2520of%2520charge%2520for%2520any%2520reason.)">footer</a> states "Westboro Baptist Church © 1955-2025 (You may use any of our material free of charge for any reason.)" I view this as {{<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Attribution?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Attribution">attribution</a>}}</nowiki> type but I'm not sure. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:JayCubby?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:JayCubby">JayCubby</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:JayCubby?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:JayCubby"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-JayCubby-20250221004800-Westboro_Baptist_Church" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayCubby-20250221004800-Westboro_Baptist_Church"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayCubby-20250221004800-Westboro_Baptist_Church"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abzeronow-20250221010200-JayCubby-20250221004800"></span>Free of charge doesn't necessarily mean free for anyone to use for any purpose. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Abzeronow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Abzeronow">Abzeronow</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Abzeronow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Abzeronow"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Abzeronow-20250221010200-JayCubby-20250221004800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abzeronow-20250221010200-JayCubby-20250221004800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abzeronow-20250221010200-JayCubby-20250221004800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250221024700-Abzeronow-20250221010200"></span>But I would think "for any reason" does. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250221024700-Abzeronow-20250221010200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250221024700-Abzeronow-20250221010200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250221024700-Abzeronow-20250221010200"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayCubby-20250221025300-Jmabel-20250221024700"></span>I personally agree with you, I guess the question is whether <i>you</i> strictly means an individual, as opposed to any legal entity. Also, a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://blogs.godhatesfags.com/2019/03/30/week-in-review-3-31-19/">blog</a> post of theirs states "never fear, all our stuff is still free to use including our parodies and memes"<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:JayCubby?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:JayCubby">JayCubby</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:JayCubby?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:JayCubby"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-JayCubby-20250221025300-Jmabel-20250221024700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayCubby-20250221025300-Jmabel-20250221024700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayCubby-20250221025300-Jmabel-20250221024700"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bedivere-20250221030700-JayCubby-20250221025300"></span>I think it's fair to assume they mean anybody, including legal entities. In Chile we wouldnt have such a problem though :-P <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bedivere?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bedivere">Bedivere</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bedivere?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bedivere"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bedivere-20250221030700-JayCubby-20250221025300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:07, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bedivere-20250221030700-JayCubby-20250221025300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bedivere-20250221030700-JayCubby-20250221025300"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnom-20250221173300-Bedivere-20250221030700"></span>I also think that we are good here. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Gnom?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Gnom">Gnom</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Gnom?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Gnom"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Gnom-20250221173300-Bedivere-20250221030700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnom-20250221173300-Bedivere-20250221030700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnom-20250221173300-Bedivere-20250221030700"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AuroraANovaUma-20250221193100-JayCubby-20250221004800"></span>WBC doesn't specify the need of attribution, so I'd say their license fits {{<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Copyrighted_free_use?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Copyrighted free use">Copyrighted free use</a>}} better than {{<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Attribution?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Attribution">Attribution</a>}}. In fact, we actually host some of WBC's files here. See <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Works_of_the_Westboro_Baptist_Church?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Works of the Westboro Baptist Church">Category:Works of the Westboro Baptist Church</a>. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:AuroraANovaUma?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:AuroraANovaUma">AuroraANovaUma ^-^</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:AuroraANovaUma?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:AuroraANovaUma"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-AuroraANovaUma-20250221193100-JayCubby-20250221004800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AuroraANovaUma-20250221193100-JayCubby-20250221004800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AuroraANovaUma-20250221193100-JayCubby-20250221004800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geohakkeri-20250221195800-AuroraANovaUma-20250221193100"></span>We even have <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:WBCWork?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:WBCWork"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{WBCWork}}</span></a> for their files. (It seems that the template itself isn’t categorized. I guess that should be fixed.) --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Geohakkeri?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Geohakkeri">Geohakkeri</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Geohakkeri?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Geohakkeri"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Geohakkeri-20250221195800-AuroraANovaUma-20250221193100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geohakkeri-20250221195800-AuroraANovaUma-20250221193100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geohakkeri-20250221195800-AuroraANovaUma-20250221193100"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Certain_contents_of_the_Formula_1_Exhibition_(London)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Certain_contents_of_the_Formula_1_Exhibition_(London)-20250221191100"><span id="Certain_contents_of_the_Formula_1_Exhibition_.28London.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Certain_contents_of_the_Formula_1_Exhibition_(London)-20250221191100"></span>Certain contents of the Formula 1 Exhibition (London)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Certain_contents_of_the_Formula_1_Exhibition_(London)-20250221191100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=10&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Certain contents of the Formula 1 Exhibition (London)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hullian111-20250221191100-Certain_contents_of_the_Formula_1_Exhibition_(London)"></span>Hi, I've just gotten back yesterday from an overnight trip to London, which was mainly centred around a visit to the Formula 1 Exhibition at the ExCeL Arena. I'm planning on slowly putting up some of my photos from the visit in order to make sure photos of it do exist on record through Commons before it goes away, but I've a query on some of the copyright aspect:</p> <p>Basically, are printed explanatory captions on exhibit walls (and their attached images) copyrighted when photographed, and would that make them inadmissible on the Commons? Its hard to explain without producing a photograph I've yet to upload.</p> <p>As well as this, are exhibited documents such as Max Verstappen's FIA Super License certificate, 1960s/1970s British Grand Prix entry forms, correspondence between Enzo Ferrari and J. Eason Gibson, the front page of an FIA Rules and Regulations document, among others, copyrighted in some form? Reading <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:FOP_UK?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:FOP UK">COM:FOP UK</a>, I have a feeling some of the stuff on the walls in the museum may not be uploadable, but the status of the letters strikes me as rather unusual. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Hullian111?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Hullian111">Hullian111</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Hullian111?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Hullian111"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Hullian111-20250221191100-Certain_contents_of_the_Formula_1_Exhibition_(London)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hullian111-20250221191100-Certain_contents_of_the_Formula_1_Exhibition_(London)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hullian111-20250221191100-Certain_contents_of_the_Formula_1_Exhibition_(London)"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250222043800-Hullian111-20250221191100"></span>The UK has about the lowest threshold of originality in the world, and has no freedom of panorama for "graphic works", so any but the most trivial museum or exhibition texts are going to be protected by copyright. (Probably things that are literally just identifications and authorship info are OK, but not if they say anything past that.) </dd> <dd> I would also expect that under the Berne Convention, correspondence is copyrighted. Ditto for certificates unless all of the copyrightable elements are very old (e.g. we might be OK for a certificate designed in the 1920s, even if the particular one we have is newer in terms of whose name is on it, etc.). - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250222043800-Hullian111-20250221191100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250222043800-Hullian111-20250221191100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250222043800-Hullian111-20250221191100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hullian111-20250222111300-Jmabel-20250222043800"></span>Ah. Well that's me stuffed, then. Suppose I don't mind for the fact I don't need to upload each and every single exhibit, though; only problem now is that I've copied and pasted in copyrighted info plaques/captions into my upload descriptions, so they'll likely need removing and replaced now - see <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Formula_1_Exhibition,_London?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Formula 1 Exhibition, London">Category:Formula 1 Exhibition, London</a> if anyone wants to go sort that out. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Hullian111?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Hullian111">Hullian111</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Hullian111?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Hullian111"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Hullian111-20250222111300-Jmabel-20250222043800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 22 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hullian111-20250222111300-Jmabel-20250222043800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hullian111-20250222111300-Jmabel-20250222043800"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250222200700-Jmabel-20250222043800"></span>The UK changed its threshold of originality to match the EU's during its period of EU membership. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250222200700-Jmabel-20250222043800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 22 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250222200700-Jmabel-20250222043800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250222200700-Jmabel-20250222043800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250223001700-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250222200700"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a>: </span> so does that mean you would give different advice, and that more of this would be OK for Commons? - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250223001700-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250222200700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250223001700-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250222200700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250223001700-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250222200700"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250223004500-Jmabel-20250223001700"></span>Photographs of copyrighted documents would not be OK to add anyway, although a photograph of the exhibition taken such that such elements do not substantially figure (unreadable or truly incidentally included) would be fine. but I was just pointing this out. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250223004500-Jmabel-20250223001700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250223004500-Jmabel-20250223001700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250223004500-Jmabel-20250223001700"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Copyright_license_regarding_camera_model" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyright_license_regarding_camera_model-20250222101700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copyright_license_regarding_camera_model-20250222101700"></span>Copyright license regarding camera model<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copyright_license_regarding_camera_model-20250222101700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=11&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Copyright license regarding camera model"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250222101700-Copyright_license_regarding_camera_model"></span>Hi!</p> <p>I would like to archive <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://gitlab.com/zephray/sitina1/-/blob/master/README.md">files from an open-source camera</a>. The MIT license is clear, but the CERN Open Hardware Licence has no template here, yet. As it is similar to the GPL, can it used as template here instead or should we add a template for the CERN OHL? Thanks :) --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PantheraLeo1359531?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PantheraLeo1359531">PantheraLeo1359531 😺</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PantheraLeo1359531?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PantheraLeo1359531"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250222101700-Copyright_license_regarding_camera_model" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:17, 22 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250222101700-Copyright_license_regarding_camera_model"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250222101700-Copyright_license_regarding_camera_model"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisiPK-20250223221800-PantheraLeo1359531-20250222101700"></span>Are we talking about the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://gitlab.com/zephray/sitina1/-/tree/master/assets">images in that repository</a>? If so, I would say that they can be uploaded under MIT, as this is the license given in the `LICENSE.md` file. Regards, -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:ChrisiPK?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:ChrisiPK">ChrisiPK</a> <small><b>(<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:ChrisiPK?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:ChrisiPK"><span class="signature-talk">Talk</span></a>|<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/ChrisiPK?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/ChrisiPK">Contribs</a>)</b></small> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-ChrisiPK-20250223221800-PantheraLeo1359531-20250222101700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisiPK-20250223221800-PantheraLeo1359531-20250222101700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisiPK-20250223221800-PantheraLeo1359531-20250222101700"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250226114800-ChrisiPK-20250223221800"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:ChrisiPK?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:ChrisiPK">ChrisiPK</a>: </span> Yes, would the MIT license only also apply if the images show the model unter the CERN OHL? :) --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PantheraLeo1359531?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PantheraLeo1359531">PantheraLeo1359531 😺</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PantheraLeo1359531?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PantheraLeo1359531"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250226114800-ChrisiPK-20250223221800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250226114800-ChrisiPK-20250223221800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PantheraLeo1359531-20250226114800-ChrisiPK-20250223221800"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="CC-BY_vs_CC-BY-SA" data-mw-thread-id="h-CC-BY_vs_CC-BY-SA-20250222182200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CC-BY_vs_CC-BY-SA-20250222182200"></span>CC-BY vs CC-BY-SA<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CC-BY_vs_CC-BY-SA-20250222182200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=12&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: CC-BY vs CC-BY-SA"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-En_rouge-20250222182200-CC-BY_vs_CC-BY-SA"></span>Hi, despite my research, I've not found understandable information about licensing as CC-BY-SA. So please report (an give a link) if the indicated title has already been covered/answered.</p> <dl> <dd> I wonder know if, for a derived work from an original licensed CC-BY one: <ul> <li>I <b>must</b> attribute a CC-BY license</li> <li>I <b>must</b> attribute a CC-BY-SA license</li> <li>I <b>shall</b> attribute either a CC-BY or a CC-BY-SA license (upon my choice)</li> </ul> </dd> <dd> And, in the latter case (a CC-BY-SA licence), what are implications: <ul> <li>for a derived work of my work</li> </ul> <dl> <dd> i.e. restrictions for the licensee, between my licence (CC-BY-SA), and the original licence (CC-BY) </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <p>Thanks a lot, yours, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:En_rouge&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:En rouge (page does not exist)">En rouge</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:En_rouge?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:En rouge"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-En_rouge-20250222182200-CC-BY_vs_CC-BY-SA" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 22 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-En_rouge-20250222182200-CC-BY_vs_CC-BY-SA"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-En_rouge-20250222182200-CC-BY_vs_CC-BY-SA"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asclepias-20250222194300-En_rouge-20250222182200"></span>You may publish your creatively derived work under any license, provided that you attribute the author of the previous work and that you indicate that the previous work is under CC BY. If someone publishes a work that derives from something created by you in your CC BY-SA work, they must publish their work under CC BY-SA. If their work derives from the previous CC BY work by the other author only, without including anything created by you, they may publish their work under any license with attribution to the other author and mention that the previous work is under CC BY. -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Asclepias">Asclepias</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Asclepias"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Asclepias-20250222194300-En_rouge-20250222182200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 22 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asclepias-20250222194300-En_rouge-20250222182200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asclepias-20250222194300-En_rouge-20250222182200"></span> </dd> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250223004100-En_rouge-20250222182200"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:En_rouge&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:En rouge (page does not exist)">En rouge</a>: </span> I think Asclepias slightly misunderstood your question here (not entirely their fault, I didn't read it correctly at first either.) You seem to be asking what are your obligations if you create a work that derives from a work under either a CC-BY license or a CC-BY-SA license. <ul> <li>For both licenses, you must give attribution; in particular, you must attribute whose work you are using.</li> <li>For both licenses, you must make it clear what came from the original work and what does not.</li> <li>If the original work was offered under the CC-BY-SA license, you have the additional obligation that you must offer your own (derivative work) under the same license. <ul> <li>As a result, your work is necessarily CC-BY-SA, so a reuser has exactly the same obligation, both to the original author and to you.</li> </ul></li> <li>If the original work was under CC-BY and you are offering CC-BY-SA, you certainly couldn't go wrong by saying that, but I'm not sure it's an obligation. Since you are publishing under a narrower license, I don't think you are obligated to indicate that some portions of your work could be used under a broader one. That is the one point on which I'm uncertain; I've always avoided that. <b>Someone else may have more clarity on this point.</b></li> </ul> </dd> <dd> So, in particular, if you derive from a CC-BY image, and you license yours as CC-BY-SA (because the other way around is impossible) a further reuser of <i>your</i> work: <ul> <li>Must link the [relevant version of] the CC-BY-SA license. The original CC-BY license is irrelevant, because it cannot be used for this derivative work.</li> <li>Must attribute both you and the author of the original work.</li> <li>Must be clear what changes (if any) are theirs</li> <li>Must license their work with the same version of the CC-BY-SA license as you offered.</li> </ul> </dd> <dd> Does that fully answer your question? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250223004100-En_rouge-20250222182200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250223004100-En_rouge-20250222182200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250223004100-En_rouge-20250222182200"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asclepias-20250223023600-Jmabel-20250223004100"></span>I think my answer addressed the specific questions asked. </dd> <dd> On the need to mention the CC BY license of the original work, please refer to section 3-a.1.C. of the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/legalcode.en">CC BY 4.0</a> license: </dd> <dd> "<i>If You Share the Licensed Material (<b>including in modified form</b>), <b>You must</b>: [...] indicate the Licensed Material is licensed under this Public License, and include the text of, or the URI or hyperlink to, this Public License.</i> </dd> <dd> (In versions 1.0 through <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode.en">3.0</a>, it can be good practice under section 8.b.) </dd> <dd> -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Asclepias">Asclepias</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Asclepias"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Asclepias-20250223023600-Jmabel-20250223004100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asclepias-20250223023600-Jmabel-20250223004100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asclepias-20250223023600-Jmabel-20250223004100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-En_rouge-20250224153100-Asclepias-20250223023600"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Asclepias">Asclepias</a> and <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a>: </span> thanks for your replies, despite my confusing request! </dd> <dd> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Asclepias">Asclepias</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Asclepias">talk</a><span style="white-space:nowrap"> <span style="font-weight:bold;">·</span></span> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Asclepias">contribs</a>), I'm approximately aware that attribution mentions are mandatory in my work to specify the required attribution by the original author. But <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a><span style="white-space:nowrap"> <span style="font-weight:bold;">·</span></span> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Jmabel">contribs</a>), thanks to his examples, give me additional information about my request. </dd> <dd> If I summarize: <ul> <li>from a work with CC-BY, I have no obligation to license my derivative work under CC-BY-SA (unless I incorporate a CC-BY-SA work: I then deliver my work with the same CC-BY-SA license)</li> <li>It's better to avoid a CC-BY-SA license, except as required in the example above</li> <li>I must detail the attributions as much as requested by the successive authors</li> </ul> </dd> <dd> Thanks, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:En_rouge&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:En rouge (page does not exist)">En rouge</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:En_rouge?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:En rouge"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-En_rouge-20250224153100-Asclepias-20250223023600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-En_rouge-20250224153100-Asclepias-20250223023600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-En_rouge-20250224153100-Asclepias-20250223023600"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="L._L._Cook_postcards" data-mw-thread-id="h-L._L._Cook_postcards-20250222194500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-L._L._Cook_postcards-20250222194500"></span>L. L. Cook postcards<span data-mw-comment-end="h-L._L._Cook_postcards-20250222194500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=13&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: L. L. Cook postcards"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rjjiii-20250222194500-L._L._Cook_postcards"></span>I'm going through the postcards in this category and can't see how it's determined that any of them are in the public domain: <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Postcards_published_by_L._L._Cook_Co.?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Postcards published by L. L. Cook Co.">Category:Postcards published by L. L. Cook Co.</a></p> <p>They could have expired copyrights, but I don't see evidence of that linked from any of the files Searching online also doesn't turn up any evidence that the copyrights are expired.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://morrisoncountyhistory.org/?page_id%3D1272">[6]</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Rjjiii"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Rjjiii-20250222194500-L._L._Cook_postcards" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 22 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rjjiii-20250222194500-L._L._Cook_postcards"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rjjiii-20250222194500-L._L._Cook_postcards"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250223004400-Rjjiii-20250222194500"></span>The CC licenses indicated there are almost certainly wrong, but I'd be willing to bet money that these are <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:PD-US-not_renewed?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:PD-US-not renewed"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-US-not renewed}}</span></a>. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250223004400-Rjjiii-20250222194500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250223004400-Rjjiii-20250222194500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250223004400-Rjjiii-20250222194500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rjjiii-20250223012300-Jmabel-20250223004400"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> the article I linked above says that " <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r981921851"><q class="inline-quote-talk">If the postcard copyright was renewed in a timely manner, the new expiration date is 2008.</q>" It seems very unlikely that they could have been renewed past that point due to the way the company's assets were sold off but not used. What are best practices for the commons out of: <ul> <li>Assume the copyrights expired by 2008. Continue to upload these.</li> <li>Because it's likely the copyright expired by 2008, keep what's here but don't upload more.</li> <li>Because it's possible (even though unlikely) the copyright was renewed to be active until the present day, nominate them for deletion?</li> </ul> </dd> <dd> Since using them under "fair use" isn't an option here, I'm unsure what the best course of action is, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Rjjiii"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Rjjiii-20250223012300-Jmabel-20250223004400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:23, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rjjiii-20250223012300-Jmabel-20250223004400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rjjiii-20250223012300-Jmabel-20250223004400"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250223015100-Rjjiii-20250223012300"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a>: </span> The short version is that the linked article makes so many mistakes about U.S. copyright law as to be worse than useless. They seem to be assuming that there have been no changes in copyright law since 1952; in fact, there have been several large changes. If you need me to spell that out in detail, I can, but the reality of the situation is that for a 1952 U.S. work there are basically three possibilities: <ul> <li>The work did not carry a copyright notice, and so it was immediately in the public domain.</li> <li>The work was originally copyrighted but did not have its copyright renewed circa 1980, so it has been in the public domain since January 1, 1981.</li> <li>The work had its copyright renewed circa 1980 and will be copyrighted through 2047.</li> </ul> </dd> <dd> You might want to look at <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Hirtle_chart?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Hirtle chart">COM:Hirtle chart</a>. </dd> <dd> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250223015100-Rjjiii-20250223012300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:51, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250223015100-Rjjiii-20250223012300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250223015100-Rjjiii-20250223012300"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250223015500-Rjjiii-20250223012300"></span>You can look up copyright renewals for the relevant period at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB%3Dlocal%26PAGE%3DFirst">https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First</a> - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250223015500-Rjjiii-20250223012300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250223015500-Rjjiii-20250223012300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250223015500-Rjjiii-20250223012300"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rjjiii-20250223030500-Jmabel-20250223015500"></span>Thanks, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a>. That is helpful. I won't bother to nominate these for deletion, but also won't upload more of them. It's more likely than not they have not been renewed, but I don't have a way to determine that for each postcard, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Rjjiii"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Rjjiii-20250223030500-Jmabel-20250223015500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rjjiii-20250223030500-Jmabel-20250223015500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rjjiii-20250223030500-Jmabel-20250223015500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250223034300-Rjjiii-20250223030500"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a>: </span> yes, you do have a way to determine that; that's why I provided the link. If there is no activity from the relevant entity to renew them (and I'm close to certain that would be the case), then they were not renewed. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250223034300-Rjjiii-20250223030500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250223034300-Rjjiii-20250223030500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250223034300-Rjjiii-20250223030500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rjjiii-20250223034600-Jmabel-20250223034300"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> Are you sure? It says "(1978 to present)", but I may be misinterpreting that. These postcards were are all printed well before 1978 and could have been renewed prior to 1978? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Rjjiii"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Rjjiii-20250223034600-Jmabel-20250223034300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rjjiii-20250223034600-Jmabel-20250223034300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rjjiii-20250223034600-Jmabel-20250223034300"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250223041200-Rjjiii-20250223034600"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a>: </span> Copyrights could only be renewed when the original was between 27 and 28 years old. So for the hypothetical 1952 example, the only possibilities are 1979 and 1980. </dd> <dd> Yes, more legwork is involved if the original date is before 1951. The renewal listings are out there, but harder to search. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250223041200-Rjjiii-20250223034600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250223041200-Rjjiii-20250223034600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250223041200-Rjjiii-20250223034600"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rjjiii-20250223060400-Jmabel-20250223041200"></span>Hmm, I've looked into more of these. In the 50s, L. L. Cook Co. started to print copyright dates. I don't know if they still printed cards without dates in the 50s, but I see printed dates as early as 1951. For the cards on the commons that show both sides, the back does <i>not</i> have a date, and so I don't think they would show up on that search tool. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Rjjiii"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Rjjiii-20250223060400-Jmabel-20250223041200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:04, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rjjiii-20250223060400-Jmabel-20250223041200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rjjiii-20250223060400-Jmabel-20250223041200"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rjjiii-20250223061800-Rjjiii-20250223060400"></span>I've found what I think are all of the pre-1978 catalogs online. I'm working back one year at a time to 1923. It doesn't look any of these were ever renewed. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Rjjiii"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Rjjiii-20250223061800-Rjjiii-20250223060400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:18, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rjjiii-20250223061800-Rjjiii-20250223060400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rjjiii-20250223061800-Rjjiii-20250223060400"></span> </dd> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250223062100-Rjjiii-20250223060400"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a>: </span> Also, if you have front and back for a postcard from the U.S. before January 1, 1978, and there is no copyright notice (or one that is not correctly formed), then it is <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:PD-US-no_notice?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:PD-US-no notice"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{PD-US-no notice}}</span></a>. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250223062100-Rjjiii-20250223060400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250223062100-Rjjiii-20250223060400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250223062100-Rjjiii-20250223060400"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rjjiii-20250223063100-Jmabel-20250223062100"></span>Gotcha, and thanks again for the help, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Rjjiii?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Rjjiii"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Rjjiii-20250223063100-Jmabel-20250223062100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rjjiii-20250223063100-Jmabel-20250223062100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rjjiii-20250223063100-Jmabel-20250223062100"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Annonymous_photographer_via_other_person." data-mw-thread-id="h-Annonymous_photographer_via_other_person.-20250223045600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Annonymous_photographer_via_other_person.-20250223045600"></span>Annonymous photographer via other person.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Annonymous_photographer_via_other_person.-20250223045600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=14&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Annonymous photographer via other person."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600-Annonymous_photographer_via_other_person."></span>Hi, about <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://asn.flightsafety.org/photos/4236/DC-9-31-N988VJ">N988VJ photo</a> I mentioned it before (archived and can't discuss). In that case, whose copyright permission do I need to ask for if I want to upload it to Commons with VRT and don't want to wait until it become PD ? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:T%C3%B4_Ng%E1%BB%8Dc_Khang?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Tô Ngọc Khang">Tô Ngọc Khang</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:T%C3%B4_Ng%E1%BB%8Dc_Khang?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Tô Ngọc Khang"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600-Annonymous_photographer_via_other_person." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:56, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600-Annonymous_photographer_via_other_person."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600-Annonymous_photographer_via_other_person."></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250223062300-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600"></span>If someone was willfully anonymous, then it is probably an orphaned work (there is a copyright owner, but no way to identify them or get hold of them). Your only hope would be to contact that "other person" and see if they will help you in making the connection. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250223062300-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250223062300-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250223062300-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250223062500-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600"></span>However, given that the linked page says so emphatically, "This photo is copyright protected and may not be used in any way without permission," it is <i>extremely</i> unlikely they would want to free-license it. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250223062500-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:25, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250223062500-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250223062500-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223045600"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223064100-Jmabel-20250223062500"></span>This photo was gave to Phil Brooks by Art Smit Roeters, and anonymous photographer gave it to Arthur via a collection. Arthur passed away and Phil Brooks also don't know who is the photographer of the photo. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:T%C3%B4_Ng%E1%BB%8Dc_Khang?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Tô Ngọc Khang">Tô Ngọc Khang</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:T%C3%B4_Ng%E1%BB%8Dc_Khang?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Tô Ngọc Khang"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223064100-Jmabel-20250223062500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223064100-Jmabel-20250223062500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223064100-Jmabel-20250223062500"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250223220300-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223064100"></span>Then you have an <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/orphan_work" class="extiw" title="w:orphan work">orphan work</a>, and no way to obtain rights. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250223220300-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223064100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250223220300-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223064100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250223220300-Tô_Ngọc_Khang-20250223064100"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg-20250223104900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg-20250223104900"></span>File:Picture of Mizanur Rahman Chowdhury.jpeg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg-20250223104900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=15&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: File:Picture of Mizanur Rahman Chowdhury.jpeg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250223104900-File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg"></span>I would like some opinions on the licensing of <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Picture of Mizanur Rahman Chowdhury.jpeg">File:Picture of Mizanur Rahman Chowdhury.jpeg</a>. It seems highly unlikely to be the uploader's own work, but more like something found online somewhere. There's no information provided about the image's provenance and there's nothing in the EXIF data to indicate where the image comes from. This was a cross-wiki uploaded to Commons in 2015. which seems to be this uploader's only edit to Commons. Perhaps there's a way to relicense it so that it can be kept per <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Bangladesh?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Bangladesh">COM:Bangladesh</a> or some other reason. If not, then I guess it probably should go to <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:DR?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DR">COM:DR</a> given how many times its being used. -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Marchjuly"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Marchjuly-20250223104900-File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:49, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250223104900-File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250223104900-File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg"></span></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg-File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg-20250223111700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg-File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg-20250223111700"></span>File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg-File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg-20250223111700"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=16&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> </div> <p><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250223111700-File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg"></span>File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg</a> is similiar to <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#File:Picture_of_Mizanur_Rahman_Chowdhury.jpeg">#File:Picture of Mizanur Rahman Chowdhury.jpeg</a> being discussed above in that it's almost certainly not the uploader's own work. Perhaps there's a way to relicense it so that Commons can keep it. There's no EXIF data to speak of, and there's nothing in the file's description which might otherwise clarify its provenance. Unlike the Chowdhury photo though, this file is only being used once; so, perhaps tagging it for speedy deletion could work if it can't be kept. -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Marchjuly"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Marchjuly-20250223111700-File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250223111700-File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250223111700-File:YoungMashiurRahman.jpg"></span></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Reproduction_of_Federal_Legislation_Order_(Canada)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reproduction_of_Federal_Legislation_Order_(Canada)-20250223182800"><span id="Reproduction_of_Federal_Legislation_Order_.28Canada.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reproduction_of_Federal_Legislation_Order_(Canada)-20250223182800"></span>Reproduction of Federal Legislation Order (Canada)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reproduction_of_Federal_Legislation_Order_(Canada)-20250223182800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=17&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Reproduction of Federal Legislation Order (Canada)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RA0808-20250223182800-Reproduction_of_Federal_Legislation_Order_(Canada)"></span>I had previously tagged <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Lois_constitutionnelles_du_Canada_de_1867_%C3%A0_1982,_2021.djvu?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Lois constitutionnelles du Canada de 1867 à 1982, 2021.djvu">File:Lois constitutionnelles du Canada de 1867 à 1982, 2021.djvu</a> for deletion due to lacking permission. The uploader had stated it has been licenced under the Open Government Licence - Canada, but there was no evidence it was made available under that licence. Canadian government works are non-free by default because they are protected under Crown copyright for 50 years unless released under a different licence.</p> <p>However, the uploader did link to the Government of Canada's <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SI-97-5/page-1.html">Reproduction of Federal Law Order</a> which provides a licence to reproduce any enacted Canadian federal legislation and the decisions of federal courts/tribunals. The order includes a requirement that "due diligence is exercised in ensuring the accuracy of the materials reproduced". Would this licence stemming from RFLO still be compatible with Commons? Or would this prohibit modification and therefore be considered non-free? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:RA0808?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:RA0808">RA0808</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:RA0808?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:RA0808"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-RA0808-20250223182800-Reproduction_of_Federal_Legislation_Order_(Canada)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RA0808-20250223182800-Reproduction_of_Federal_Legislation_Order_(Canada)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RA0808-20250223182800-Reproduction_of_Federal_Legislation_Order_(Canada)"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RA0808-20250223184700-RA0808-20250223182800"></span>Pinging other users who were involved in discussions about the file: @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:VIGNERON?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Cunegonde1&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Cunegonde1 (page does not exist)">Cunegonde1</a>, @<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Krd?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Krd">Krd</a>. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:RA0808?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:RA0808">RA0808</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:RA0808?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:RA0808"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-RA0808-20250223184700-RA0808-20250223182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RA0808-20250223184700-RA0808-20250223182800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RA0808-20250223184700-RA0808-20250223182800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250224002700-RA0808-20250223184700"></span>By contrast, while this is not the case in Canada, these works are in the public domain in the United States, because edicts of government, which these are, are excluded from copyright protection (including when they are edicts of foreign governments). <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:D. Benjamin Miller">D. Benjamin Miller</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:D._Benjamin_Miller?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:D. Benjamin Miller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250224002700-RA0808-20250223184700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250224002700-RA0808-20250223184700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D._Benjamin_Miller-20250224002700-RA0808-20250223184700"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asclepias-20250223200800-RA0808-20250223182800"></span>On the Reproduction of Federal Law Order, my impression is that it does not allow modifications that change the texts. The idea is to allow diffusion of the laws, not to allow modified texts. The laws may be reproduced, but accurately. So, it's not a free license. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> </dd> <dd> The document in the "File:Lois constitutionnelles du Canada de 1867 à 1982, 2021.djvu" includes a 2021 consolidation of constitutional texts and their amendments, and administrative presentation, translation and notes. Large parts of that document are not covered by the Order. Pages 2-5 are a presentation, not part of constitutional texts. The French-language version of the older constitutional texts is a recent administrative translation, not enacted. There are explanatory notes. The main English texts were adopted by the Parliament of the United Kingdom, although I suppose we can consider them Canadian. Large parts of constitutional texts can probably not really be considered "enactments of the Government of Canada", although there may be something that allows their reproduction. In short, there are large parts of this document that do not fit into what is allowed by the wording of the Order. The older parts of constitutional texts and their older consolidations, are probably in the public domain. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> </dd> <dd> -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Asclepias">Asclepias</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Asclepias"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Asclepias-20250223200800-RA0808-20250223182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asclepias-20250223200800-RA0808-20250223182800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asclepias-20250223200800-RA0808-20250223182800"></span> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="File:Chucky_portrait_Child's_Play.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Chucky_portrait_Child's_Play.jpg-20250223203100"><span id="File:Chucky_portrait_Child.27s_Play.jpg"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Chucky_portrait_Child's_Play.jpg-20250223203100"></span>File:Chucky portrait Child's Play.jpg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Chucky_portrait_Child's_Play.jpg-20250223203100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=18&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: File:Chucky portrait Child's Play.jpg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250223203100-File:Chucky_portrait_Child's_Play.jpg"></span>I asked about <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Chucky_portrait_Child%27s_Play.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Chucky portrait Child's Play.jpg">File:Chucky portrait Child's Play.jpg</a> back in August 2024, but it got <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright/Archive/2024/08?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#File:Chucky_portrait_Child's_Play.jpg" title="Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2024/08">archived</a> without ever receiving a response. Is this file OK as licensed or is it a case of Flickrwashing involving a derivative work? -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Marchjuly"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Marchjuly-20250223203100-File:Chucky_portrait_Child's_Play.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250223203100-File:Chucky_portrait_Child's_Play.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250223203100-File:Chucky_portrait_Child's_Play.jpg"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grand-Duc-20250223211800-Marchjuly-20250223203100"></span>Hmm, I took a look at the EN articles about the franchise and into the <i>Chucky</i> category. Based upon these infos, I would consider that the individual image named here may only be an expression of an idea (per <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Fan_art?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Ideas_aren't_copyrighted" title="Commons:Fan art">Commons:Fan art#Ideas aren't copyrighted</a>) and not a copyvio of some concise expression (but I'm not watching such media, so I cannot say for sure - I only heard about the name of "Chucky", but I did not know about its appearances before). Certainly borderline, so I hope for other opinions, too. Regards, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Grand-Duc?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Grand-Duc">Grand-Duc</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Grand-Duc?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Grand-Duc"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Grand-Duc-20250223211800-Marchjuly-20250223203100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grand-Duc-20250223211800-Marchjuly-20250223203100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grand-Duc-20250223211800-Marchjuly-20250223203100"></span> </dd> </dl> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisiPK-20250223221000-Marchjuly-20250223203100"></span>This seems like it is not a drawing but rather a photograph of a Chucky toy or collectible figure. We would need the creator of the depicted toy to agree to licensing this under a free license. Relevant policy pages: <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:DW?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DW">COM:DW</a>, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:TOY?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:TOY">COM:TOY</a>. Regards, -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:ChrisiPK?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:ChrisiPK">ChrisiPK</a> <small><b>(<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:ChrisiPK?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:ChrisiPK"><span class="signature-talk">Talk</span></a>|<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/ChrisiPK?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/ChrisiPK">Contribs</a>)</b></small> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-ChrisiPK-20250223221000-Marchjuly-20250223203100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisiPK-20250223221000-Marchjuly-20250223203100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisiPK-20250223221000-Marchjuly-20250223203100"></span> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="A_quien_corresponda" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_quien_corresponda-20250224031300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_quien_corresponda-20250224031300"></span>A quien corresponda<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_quien_corresponda-20250224031300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=19&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: A quien corresponda"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Potrostar-20250224031300-A_quien_corresponda"></span>solicitud,para incorporar a wikipedia,toda la información sin excepción de los archivos de wiki leaks! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Potrostar&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Potrostar (page does not exist)">Potrostar</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Potrostar?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Potrostar"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Potrostar-20250224031300-A_quien_corresponda" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Potrostar-20250224031300-A_quien_corresponda"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Potrostar-20250224031300-A_quien_corresponda"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250224051200-Potrostar-20250224031300"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Potrostar&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Potrostar (page does not exist)">Potrostar</a>: </span> (1) ¿Wikipedia en cual idioma? Cada wikipedia es independiente. (2) Claramente, no aquí, esto es Wikimedia Commons, no wikipedia, y esta página es un lugar solamente para preguntas acerca de derechos del autor. También, (3) la mayoría del contenido de wikileaks no está en el alcance de wikipedia. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250224051200-Potrostar-20250224031300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250224051200-Potrostar-20250224031300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250224051200-Potrostar-20250224031300"></span> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="CC-BY_license,_without_attribution_text/information" data-mw-thread-id="h-CC-BY_license,_without_attribution_text/information-20250224143400"><span id="CC-BY_license.2C_without_attribution_text.2Finformation"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CC-BY_license,_without_attribution_text/information-20250224143400"></span>CC-BY license, without attribution text/information<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CC-BY_license,_without_attribution_text/information-20250224143400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=20&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: CC-BY license, without attribution text/information"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-En_rouge-20250224143400-CC-BY_license,_without_attribution_text/information"></span>Some (or many) CC-BY licensed files are missing "attribution" attribute in <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Information?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Information">{{Information}}</a> (Summary) section.</p> <ol> <li>I suppose this "attribution" tag shall be the proper location to give the required text for attribution, but: <ul> <li>note1: this tag is created by <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Credit_line?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Credit line">{{Credit line}}</a>, in entry "other_fields", in <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Information?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Information">{{Information}}</a> template (nothing seeming related to "attribution")!!!</li> <li>note2: <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Credit_line?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Credit line">{{Credit line}}</a> only require a "license" value!</li> </ul> <dl> <dd> without mandatory "attribution" text </dd> </dl></li> <li>for a CC-BY... license, no "attribution" information seem to be checked. <ul> <li>as <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:CC-BY?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:CC-BY">Category:CC-BY</a>, and its sub-categories, are automatically populated with file license of these kinds, why not populate a category such as <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Category:CC-BY_without_formal_attribution&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Category:CC-BY without formal attribution (page does not exist)"><em>Category:CC-BY without formal attribution</em></a>?</li> </ul></li> </ol> <p>Thanks for reading. Despite my searches, please indicate if this subject was already answered.</p> <dl> <dd> Note: as a sample, please see <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Systeme_olfactif.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Systeme olfactif.png">Systeme olfactif.png</a> for my additions, I assume they are required for CC-BY files. </dd> <dd> PS: this section is a copy of suppressed one at <strike><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#CC-BY_license,_without_attribution_text/information" title="Commons:Village pump/Technical">Commons:Village_pump/Technical#CC-BY_license,_without_attribution_text/information</a></strike> </dd> </dl> <p><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:En_rouge&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:En rouge (page does not exist)">En rouge</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:En_rouge?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:En rouge"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-En_rouge-20250224143400-CC-BY_license,_without_attribution_text/information" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-En_rouge-20250224143400-CC-BY_license,_without_attribution_text/information"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-En_rouge-20250224143400-CC-BY_license,_without_attribution_text/information"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grand-Duc-20250224150000-En_rouge-20250224143400"></span>The attribution requirement says: "You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use." So, if there's no apparent wish by the licensor, then the part "in any reasonable manner" will come into effect. For Commons stuff, it'll be at least the uploader's or source user name. Such a category as suggested would only be a quite marginal quality-of-life improvement, if at all, als a lot of people won't care about how they may get attributed. So, what would be the point in having it? Enticing licensors in making a formal attribution statement? If I'm not mistaken, most files (at least more than half) aren't sourced from Commons contributors themselves, but from external parties (US Gov, Flickr, etc.), so the opportunity to make a formal attribution statement is only open to a smaller crowd of people who contribute their own work. I do not see the use case of such a category at the moment. Regards, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Grand-Duc?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Grand-Duc">Grand-Duc</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Grand-Duc?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Grand-Duc"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Grand-Duc-20250224150000-En_rouge-20250224143400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grand-Duc-20250224150000-En_rouge-20250224143400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grand-Duc-20250224150000-En_rouge-20250224143400"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-En_rouge-20250224154600-Grand-Duc-20250224150000"></span>OK, </dd> <dd> but if you look at my sample above, the document from which the picture is extracted, the original publisher request: <ul> <li>a copyright: "© 2020 Rice University"</li> <li>an attribution: "Access for free at https://openstax.org"</li> </ul> </dd> <dd> In this case, the information is given... but not followed. </dd> <dd> As you can see, there are many images, extracted from this same source (or similar documents from the same website), for which no copyright, or attribution is given. </dd> <dd> Yours, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:En_rouge&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:En rouge (page does not exist)">En rouge</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:En_rouge?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:En rouge"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-En_rouge-20250224154600-Grand-Duc-20250224150000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-En_rouge-20250224154600-Grand-Duc-20250224150000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-En_rouge-20250224154600-Grand-Duc-20250224150000"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20250224210200-En_rouge-20250224154600"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:En_rouge&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:En rouge (page does not exist)">En rouge</a>: </span> A more normal way to do that would be something like <b>{{cc-by-4.0|Access for free at https//openstax.org}}</b>. I'm not sure what you are trying to do with that <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:F?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:F"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{F}}</span></a>, but it doesn't seem to be working so I'm leaving it out of my example. My point is, any specific attribution is inserted like this as part of the license. - <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jmabel-20250224210200-En_rouge-20250224154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20250224210200-En_rouge-20250224154600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20250224210200-En_rouge-20250224154600"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="「主腳」商標的原創性？_Zhujiao_massage_trademark:_TOO_Taiwan?" data-mw-thread-id="h-「主腳」商標的原創性？_Zhujiao_massage_trademark:_TOO_Taiwan?-20250224160200"><span id=".E3.80.8C.E4.B8.BB.E8.85.B3.E3.80.8D.E5.95.86.E6.A8.99.E7.9A.84.E5.8E.9F.E5.89.B5.E6.80.A7.EF.BC.9F_Zhujiao_massage_trademark:_TOO_Taiwan.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-「主腳」商標的原創性？_Zhujiao_massage_trademark:_TOO_Taiwan?-20250224160200"></span>「主腳」商標的原創性？ Zhujiao massage trademark: TOO Taiwan?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-「主腳」商標的原創性？_Zhujiao_massage_trademark:_TOO_Taiwan?-20250224160200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=21&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: 「主腳」商標的原創性？ Zhujiao massage trademark: TOO Taiwan?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saimmx-20250224160200-「主腳」商標的原創性？_Zhujiao_massage_trademark:_TOO_Taiwan?"></span>我在讀臺灣的「113年度民商訴字第13號」判決（<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://judgment.judicial.gov.tw/FJUD/data.aspx?ty%3DJD%26id%3DIPCV,113%252c%25e6%25b0%2591%25e5%2595%2586%25e8%25a8%25b4%252c13%252c20240823%252c1">判決書</a>），裡面有用到<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:TOO_Taiwan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:TOO Taiwan">COM:TOO Taiwan</a>的概念。判決認為判決中的<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://judgment.judicial.gov.tw/tmpimages/20250224104149/img_172440073358857.png">價目表</a>並沒有原創性。但中間講<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://judgment.judicial.gov.tw/tmpimages/20250224113012/img_172440073226087.png">商標</a>的我就看不懂了：</p> <blockquote class="templatequote language"> <p>左側之系爭商標……及英文……僅為表彰提供該等按摩服務者為原告，難認有何美術技巧之存在，亦無從表現出著作人之個人獨特思想、情感或精神上作用。是系爭價目表整體構圖、文字排列方式綜合觀之，不足以表現著作人之思想或感情，而未顯現出著作人精神作用獨特個性之美感，即不符合一定之創作高度……</p> </blockquote> <p>問題來了：請問這裡判決認為「<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://judgment.judicial.gov.tw/tmpimages/20250224113012/img_172440073226087.png">「主腳」商標</a>」沒有原創性嗎？還是我讀錯了？</p> <hr> <p><i>(English translation. Replying in English is fine, but judicial terms may incorrect)</i> I am reading a Taiwanese verdict using <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:TOO_Taiwan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:TOO Taiwan">COM:TOO Taiwan</a>, "113年度民商訴字第13號" (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://judgment.judicial.gov.tw/FJUD/data.aspx?ty%3DJD%26id%3DIPCV,113%252c%25e6%25b0%2591%25e5%2595%2586%25e8%25a8%25b4%252c13%252c20240823%252c1">verdict</a>). The verdict believed that the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://judgment.judicial.gov.tw/tmpimages/20250224104149/img_172440073358857.png">price table</a> does not meet the threshold of originality, but the following quotation about the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://judgment.judicial.gov.tw/tmpimages/20250224113012/img_172440073226087.png">logo</a> confused me:</p> <blockquote class="templatequote language"> <p><i>(My translation)</i> The logo... and the English text on the left... only attribute that the massage shop is the plaintiff, it is hard to tell if there are any artistic skills, nor any personal idea on it. The price list, therefore, does not express the author's idea, felling, and didn't show unique aesthetic perception, thus does not have a certain level of creativity...</p> </blockquote> <p>The question is, is the verdict implied that the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://judgment.judicial.gov.tw/tmpimages/20250224113012/img_172440073226087.png">"主腳" logo</a> is under <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:TOO_Taiwan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:TOO Taiwan">COM:TOO Taiwan</a>? Or did I get the wrong message? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Saimmx?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Saimmx">Saimmx</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Saimmx?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Saimmx"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Saimmx-20250224160200-「主腳」商標的原創性？_Zhujiao_massage_trademark:_TOO_Taiwan?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saimmx-20250224160200-「主腳」商標的原創性？_Zhujiao_massage_trademark:_TOO_Taiwan?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saimmx-20250224160200-「主腳」商標的原創性？_Zhujiao_massage_trademark:_TOO_Taiwan?"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tvpuppy-20250224181400-Saimmx-20250224160200"></span>The verdict is saying the logo was included in the price table only to indicate who was providing the service, so there was not enough artistic skills or personal idea for the inclusion of the logo. So I think it is not implying the logo is under TOO, instead it is implying the price table is under TOO, even if it includes a logo that is above TOO. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Tvpuppy?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Tvpuppy">Tvpuppy</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Tvpuppy?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Tvpuppy"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Tvpuppy-20250224181400-Saimmx-20250224160200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tvpuppy-20250224181400-Saimmx-20250224160200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tvpuppy-20250224181400-Saimmx-20250224160200"></span> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="License_for_old_photo" data-mw-thread-id="h-License_for_old_photo-20250224223400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-License_for_old_photo-20250224223400"></span>License for old photo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-License_for_old_photo-20250224223400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=22&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: License for old photo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-91.34.39.223-20250224223400-License_for_old_photo"></span>Hi, it's about this <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Adam_Orth_im_M%C3%A4rz_1919.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Adam Orth im März 1919.png">passport photo</a> from 1919. I assume that due to its age, it's not problematic in terms of copyright (even though the image subject died in 1978, thus has not been dead for 70 years - which could easily be true for the photographer too).<br> However, the uploader entered his own name as author and "own work", which is certainly not correct. How do we handle these cases? And is the license he chose the correct one for this situation? Thanks, --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/91.34.39.223?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/91.34.39.223">91.34.39.223</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-91.34.39.223-20250224223400-License_for_old_photo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-91.34.39.223-20250224223400-License_for_old_photo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-91.34.39.223-20250224223400-License_for_old_photo"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abzeronow-20250224231200-91.34.39.223-20250224223400"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rosenzweig?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Rosenzweig">Rosenzweig</a>: </span> Would this be considered a lichtbild (simple photograph)? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Abzeronow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Abzeronow">Abzeronow</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Abzeronow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Abzeronow"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Abzeronow-20250224231200-91.34.39.223-20250224223400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abzeronow-20250224231200-91.34.39.223-20250224223400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abzeronow-20250224231200-91.34.39.223-20250224223400"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosenzweig-20250225064200-Abzeronow-20250224231200"></span>@<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Abzeronow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Abzeronow">Abzeronow</a>: </span> Most likely not. Courts consider almost every photograph to be a photographic work now, with few exceptions like automated photos from photo booths or similar, x-rays, surveillance camera photos. This looks like a posed photo taken by a photographer, so it's a photographic work. de.wp would accept the photo <b>if</b> it actually is from 1919 as claimed (per their <i>pragmatic rule</i> for works which are at least 100 years old), but <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Orth" class="extiw" title="de:Adam Orth">de:Adam Orth</a> says the photo is from the <i>1920s</i>. So it might be not old enough for de.wp. --<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Rosenzweig?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Rosenzweig"><span style="color:#0000CD">Rosenzweig</span></a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Rosenzweig?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Rosenzweig"><span style="color:#8D38C9"><i><b>τ</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Rosenzweig-20250225064200-Abzeronow-20250224231200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosenzweig-20250225064200-Abzeronow-20250224231200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosenzweig-20250225064200-Abzeronow-20250224231200"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="TOO_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-TOO_question-20250224234700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-TOO_question-20250224234700"></span>TOO question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-TOO_question-20250224234700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=23&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: TOO question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-20250224234700-TOO_question"></span>Would <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:HOLO_cards.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:HOLO cards.jpg">File:HOLO cards.jpg</a> be above the <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:TOO?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:TOO">TOO</a>? <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Sdkb?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span></a></span> <sup><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Sdkb-20250224234700-TOO_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-20250224234700-TOO_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-20250224234700-TOO_question"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grand-Duc-20250225004500-Sdkb-20250224234700"></span>To err on the side of caution, and by comparison with info in <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:TOO_US?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:TOO US">COM:TOO US</a>, I'd say "yes". And the state of Hawaii seems to grant copyrights on official works, unlike PD-USGov, see <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://copyright.lib.harvard.edu/states/hawaii/">https://copyright.lib.harvard.edu/states/hawaii/</a> . Regards, <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Grand-Duc?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Grand-Duc">Grand-Duc</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Grand-Duc?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Grand-Duc"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Grand-Duc-20250225004500-Sdkb-20250224234700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grand-Duc-20250225004500-Sdkb-20250224234700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grand-Duc-20250225004500-Sdkb-20250224234700"></span> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Real_Sociedad_Deportiva_Alcalá_(1980)_escudo.png" data-mw-thread-id="h-Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Real_Sociedad_Deportiva_Alcalá_(1980)_escudo.png-20250225225700"><span id="Commons:Deletion_requests.2FFile:Real_Sociedad_Deportiva_Alcal.C3.A1_.281980.29_escudo.png"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Real_Sociedad_Deportiva_Alcalá_(1980)_escudo.png-20250225225700"></span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Real_Sociedad_Deportiva_Alcal%C3%A1_(1980)_escudo.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Commons:Deletion requests/File:Real Sociedad Deportiva Alcalá (1980) escudo.png">Commons:Deletion requests/File:Real Sociedad Deportiva Alcalá (1980) escudo.png</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Real_Sociedad_Deportiva_Alcalá_(1980)_escudo.png-20250225225700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=24&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Real Sociedad Deportiva Alcalá (1980) escudo.png"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonteemil-20250225225700-Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Real_Sociedad_Deportiva_Alcalá_(1980)_escudo.png"></span>Any Spanish speakers that would be able to verify if this file is in the public domain and if so relicense the file and close the DR? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jonteemil?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jonteemil">Jonteemil</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jonteemil?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jonteemil"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jonteemil-20250225225700-Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Real_Sociedad_Deportiva_Alcalá_(1980)_escudo.png" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 25 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonteemil-20250225225700-Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Real_Sociedad_Deportiva_Alcalá_(1980)_escudo.png"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonteemil-20250225225700-Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Real_Sociedad_Deportiva_Alcalá_(1980)_escudo.png"></span></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="Possible_to_use_on_Wikipedia?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possible_to_use_on_Wikipedia?-20250226045300"><span id="Possible_to_use_on_Wikipedia.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possible_to_use_on_Wikipedia?-20250226045300"></span>Possible to use on Wikipedia?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possible_to_use_on_Wikipedia?-20250226045300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=25&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Possible to use on Wikipedia?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noorullah21-20250226045300-Possible_to_use_on_Wikipedia?"></span>Does anybody know if these are able to be used on Wikipedia? <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.alamy.com/beautiful-artwork-in-the-ahmad-shah-durrani-mausoleum-kandahar-afghanistan-asia-image341499456.html">[7]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.alamy.com/beautiful-artwork-in-the-ahmad-shah-durrani-mausoleum-kandahar-afghanistan-image447854366.html">[8]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.alamy.com/beautiful-artwork-in-the-ahmad-shah-durrani-mausoleum-kandahar-afghanistan-asia-image341499560.html">[9]</a> <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Noorullah21?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Noorullah21">Noorullah21</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Noorullah21?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Noorullah21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Noorullah21-20250226045300-Possible_to_use_on_Wikipedia?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:53, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noorullah21-20250226045300-Possible_to_use_on_Wikipedia?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noorullah21-20250226045300-Possible_to_use_on_Wikipedia?"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nakonana-20250226170300-Noorullah21-20250226045300"></span>I'm not seeing any information on those images being in the Public Domain or being licensed under a Creative Commons, so they are not suitable for wiki <i>Commons</i>. As for <i>Wikipedia</i> (which is not the same as Commons), it would depend on which Wikipedia you want them to be. The <i>English</i> Wikipedia, for example, allows images to be uploaded under a Fair Use rationale if certain criteria are met. But there are also Wikipedias in other languages which do not allow Fair Use or which have other criteria when allowing Fair Use, so you'll have to ask at the Wikipedia where you want to host those images what their rules are for Fair Use. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nakonana?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Nakonana">Nakonana</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nakonana?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nakonana"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Nakonana-20250226170300-Noorullah21-20250226045300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nakonana-20250226170300-Noorullah21-20250226045300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nakonana-20250226170300-Noorullah21-20250226045300"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noorullah21-20250226181700-Nakonana-20250226170300"></span>Intending to use them on English Wikipedia, do you know where I can ask? <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Noorullah21?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Noorullah21">Noorullah21</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Noorullah21?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Noorullah21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Noorullah21-20250226181700-Nakonana-20250226170300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noorullah21-20250226181700-Nakonana-20250226170300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noorullah21-20250226181700-Nakonana-20250226170300"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="File:GenSagat.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:GenSagat.jpg-20250226051600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:GenSagat.jpg-20250226051600"></span>File:GenSagat.jpg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:GenSagat.jpg-20250226051600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=26&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: File:GenSagat.jpg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:GenSagat.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:GenSagat.jpg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250226051600-File:GenSagat.jpg"></span>File:GenSagat.jpg</a> seems very unlikely to be the uploader's own work, but perhaps there's a way for it to be relicensed per <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:India?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:India">COM:India</a> so that it can be kept. Can anyone find out any information about this file's provenance? -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Marchjuly"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Marchjuly-20250226051600-File:GenSagat.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:16, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250226051600-File:GenSagat.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250226051600-File:GenSagat.jpg"></span></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="File:Gladys_May_Casely_Hayford.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Gladys_May_Casely_Hayford.jpg-20250226061700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Gladys_May_Casely_Hayford.jpg-20250226061700"></span>File:Gladys May Casely Hayford.jpg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Gladys_May_Casely_Hayford.jpg-20250226061700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=27&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: File:Gladys May Casely Hayford.jpg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Gladys_May_Casely_Hayford.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Gladys May Casely Hayford.jpg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250226061700-File:Gladys_May_Casely_Hayford.jpg"></span>File:Gladys May Casely Hayford.jpg</a> is sourced to some Pintrest account which seems likely to be the original source of the image. The subject of the photo <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladys_May_Casely_Hayford" class="extiw" title="en:Gladys May Casely Hayford">en:Gladys May Casely Hayford</a> is from Sierra Leone, and perhaps there's a way per <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Sierra_Leone?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Sierra Leone">COM:Sierra Leone</a> for this relicensed so that it can be kept. The subject died in 1950 but there's no indication as to when this photo was taken or where it was taken. The photo is used on lots of pages, but its current CC license seems totally wrong, and most like was just chosen at random by the uploader. -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Marchjuly"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Marchjuly-20250226061700-File:Gladys_May_Casely_Hayford.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250226061700-File:Gladys_May_Casely_Hayford.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250226061700-File:Gladys_May_Casely_Hayford.jpg"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bedivere-20250226171100-Marchjuly-20250226061700"></span>Since the photographer is not known, it may be in the public domain in Sierra Leone as more than 50 years have passed for sure. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bedivere?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bedivere">Bedivere</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bedivere?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bedivere"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Bedivere-20250226171100-Marchjuly-20250226061700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bedivere-20250226171100-Marchjuly-20250226061700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bedivere-20250226171100-Marchjuly-20250226061700"></span> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="File:AgnesSavage.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:AgnesSavage.jpg-20250226062400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:AgnesSavage.jpg-20250226062400"></span>File:AgnesSavage.jpg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:AgnesSavage.jpg-20250226062400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=28&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: File:AgnesSavage.jpg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:AgnesSavage.jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:AgnesSavage.jpg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250226062400-File:AgnesSavage.jpg"></span>File:AgnesSavage.jpg</a> seems to be incorrectly licensed. The subject of the photo is <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_Savage" class="extiw" title="en:Agnes Savage">en:Agnes Savage</a>, who died in 1964, is described as Nigerian-Scottish. The file's description states author is Savage's family and the source is Henry Mitchell/Centre of African studies, but there's no way to verify either. The file is being used in lots of articles, but I don't think Commons can keep it as licensed. -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Marchjuly"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Marchjuly-20250226062400-File:AgnesSavage.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250226062400-File:AgnesSavage.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250226062400-File:AgnesSavage.jpg"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asclepias-20250226122400-Marchjuly-20250226062400"></span>The source would be <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://centreofafricanstudies.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/v2blogpost-agnesyewandesavage-westafricasfirstwomandoctor-7.pdf">centreofafricanstudies.wordpress</a>, where Henry Mitchell writes that photos of Agnes Savage were provided by Mike Savage, the nephew of the subject. However, that does not tell the author and the copyright status. -- <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Asclepias">Asclepias</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Asclepias?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Asclepias"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Asclepias-20250226122400-Marchjuly-20250226062400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asclepias-20250226122400-Marchjuly-20250226062400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asclepias-20250226122400-Marchjuly-20250226062400"></span> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section">  <h2 id="File:Wappen_Kuber_by_Tillmann_Sänger.png" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Wappen_Kuber_by_Tillmann_Sänger.png-20250226103400"><span id="File:Wappen_Kuber_by_Tillmann_S.C3.A4nger.png"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Wappen_Kuber_by_Tillmann_Sänger.png-20250226103400"></span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Wappen_Kuber_by_Tillmann_S%C3%A4nger.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Wappen Kuber by Tillmann Sänger.png">File:Wappen Kuber by Tillmann Sänger.png</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Wappen_Kuber_by_Tillmann_Sänger.png-20250226103400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&section=29&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: File:Wappen Kuber by Tillmann Sänger.png"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GerritR-20250226103400-File:Wappen_Kuber_by_Tillmann_Sänger.png"></span>Vermutlich inoffiziell und daher unter Copyright - probably non-official coat of arms of a village, probably copyvio. <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:GerritR?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:GerritR">GerritR</a> (<a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:GerritR?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:GerritR"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-GerritR-20250226103400-File:Wappen_Kuber_by_Tillmann_Sänger.png" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GerritR-20250226103400-File:Wappen_Kuber_by_Tillmann_Sänger.png"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://commons-wikimedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GerritR-20250226103400-File:Wappen_Kuber_by_Tillmann_Sänger.png"></span></p>   </div> <noscript> <img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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