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Generally, these have been considered to be philosophical problems with philosophical solutions. This paper suggests that the contradictions in the Dialogues are not philosophical problems but result from the way they were written. The approach taken is to analyse the Dialogues as texts whose component parts have been arranged in distinctive ways, revealing evidence as to their manner of creation. The analysis reveals the Dialogues of Plato to be constructed from multiple genre fragments, many of them Socratic dialogues, but also speeches, stories, conversations, narration, and recitation. Fragments of one genre are frequently linked by those of another to create longer textual chains. It is proposed that this distinctive and unusual compositional strategy results from Plato adapting existing transcripts of Socratic conversations and speeches as the starting point for each Dialogue. Plato extended and elucidated these fragmentary transcripts by adding conversational links, passages of &#39;pseudo dialogue&#39;, myths, and explanatory narratives to create the lengthy and noble discourses he envisaged. This provides a simple explanation for the interpretive problems identified in the Dialogues that meets the principle of parsimony, removing the need for abstruse philosophical solutions. 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