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class="vector-toc-numb">1.4</span> <span>06:17, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Mhamdym</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-06:17,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mhamdym-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-09:07,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#09:07,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.5</span> <span>09:07, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Mydaemonthirst</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-09:07,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-12:01,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#12:01,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.6</span> <span>12:01, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Eminrg</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-12:01,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-14:36,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#14:36,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.7</span> <span>14:36, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Thocsburg Fish</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-14:36,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-14:59,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#14:59,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.8</span> <span>14:59, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Karnnut Ngamvitroje</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-14:59,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-20:03,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#20:03,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.9</span> <span>20:03, 21 November 2024 review of submission by SmileyShogun</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-20:03,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-21:44,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#21:44,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.10</span> <span>21:44, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Ngiphondims</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-21:44,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-22:08,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#22:08,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.11</span> <span>22:08, 21 November 2024 review of submission by SandFrex</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-22:08,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-November_22" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#November_22"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>November 22</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-November_22-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle November 22 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-November_22-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-04:09,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#04:09,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.1</span> <span>04:09, 22 November 2024 review of submission by Rager7</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-04:09,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-04:59,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rtrtyu" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#04:59,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rtrtyu"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.2</span> <span>04:59, 22 November 2024 review of submission by Rtrtyu</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-04:59,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rtrtyu-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-07:49,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_78.134.241.82" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#07:49,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_78.134.241.82"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.3</span> <span>07:49, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 78.134.241.82</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-07:49,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_78.134.241.82-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-12:20,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#12:20,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.4</span> <span>12:20, 22 November 2024 review of submission by WhiteStar2000</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-12:20,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-12:30,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#12:30,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.5</span> <span>12:30, 22 November 2024 review of submission by Mapadam</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-12:30,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-12:57,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#12:57,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.6</span> <span>12:57, 22 November 2024 review of submission by Kalli navya</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-12:57,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-15:55,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#15:55,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.7</span> <span>15:55, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-15:55,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-20:22,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#20:22,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.8</span> <span>20:22, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 88.235.212.12</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-20:22,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-21:31,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#21:31,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.9</span> <span>21:31, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 185.95.206.18</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-21:31,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-November_23" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#November_23"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>November 23</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-November_23-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle November 23 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-November_23-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-06:02,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#06:02,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.1</span> <span>06:02, 23 November 2024 review of submission by 117.230.15.250</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-06:02,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-11:14,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#11:14,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.2</span> <span>11:14, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Fazil Showkat Tantray</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-11:14,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-12:58,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#12:58,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.3</span> <span>12:58, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Chonlawat Yongpraderm</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-12:58,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-15:44,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_134.255.84.144" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#15:44,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_134.255.84.144"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.4</span> <span>15:44, 23 November 2024 review of submission by 134.255.84.144</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-15:44,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_134.255.84.144-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-16:17,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#16:17,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.5</span> <span>16:17, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-16:17,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-21:26,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chamber_Music_Queen" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#21:26,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chamber_Music_Queen"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.6</span> <span>21:26, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Chamber Music Queen</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-21:26,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chamber_Music_Queen-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-21:33,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#21:33,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.7</span> <span>21:33, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Robert T. deGavre</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-21:33,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-22:00,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#22:00,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.8</span> <span>22:00, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Wangxun2</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-22:00,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.9</span> <span>22:34, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Jag612red</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-23:50,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#23:50,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.10</span> <span>23:50, 23 November 2024 review of submission by AnimalNorth</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-23:50,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-November_24" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#November_24"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>November 24</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-November_24-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle November 24 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-November_24-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-00:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#00:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1</span> <span>00:48, 24 November 2024 review of submission by PostRhythmRecords</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-00:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-01:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#01:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2</span> <span>01:09, 24 November 2024 review of submission by MyNameIsGeorgeHale</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-01:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-05:31,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#05:31,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3</span> <span>05:31, 24 November 2024 review of submission by 2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-05:31,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-07:44,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#07:44,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.4</span> <span>07:44, 24 November 2024 review of submission by 2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-07:44,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-07:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#07:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.5</span> <span>07:48, 24 November 2024 review of submission by 2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-07:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-08:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#08:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.6</span> <span>08:09, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Prince Folorunsho Adegoke</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-08:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-10:50,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#10:50,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.7</span> <span>10:50, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Idk17272727</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-10:50,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-13:18,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#13:18,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.8</span> <span>13:18, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Sebdocs</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-13:18,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-14:29,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#14:29,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.9</span> <span>14:29, 24 November 2024 review of submission by HKFighter</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-14:29,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-15:35,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#15:35,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.10</span> <span>15:35, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Arota1612</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-15:35,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-15:49,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#15:49,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.11</span> <span>15:49, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Jag612red</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-15:49,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-16:08,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#16:08,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.12</span> <span>16:08, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Unknownkidman</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-16:08,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-18:02,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#18:02,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.13</span> <span>18:02, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Mahreen1212</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-18:02,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-21:16,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#21:16,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.14</span> <span>21:16, 24 November 2024 review of submission by GenesisGSE</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-21:16,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-November_25" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#November_25"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>November 25</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-November_25-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle November 25 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-November_25-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-02:35,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#02:35,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.1</span> <span>02:35, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Warmtoned</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-02:35,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-03:48,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ms_2024_baiiiii" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#03:48,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ms_2024_baiiiii"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.2</span> <span>03:48, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Ms 2024 baiiiii</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-03:48,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ms_2024_baiiiii-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-05:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#05:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.3</span> <span>05:11, 25 November 2024 review of submission by 2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-05:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-10:49,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#10:49,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.4</span> <span>10:49, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Isaajibola</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-10:49,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-11:59,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#11:59,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.5</span> <span>11:59, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Nabil Madi</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-11:59,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-12:09,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#12:09,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.6</span> <span>12:09, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Sillygoose92</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-12:09,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-13:44,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Hobodubo" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#13:44,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Hobodubo"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.7</span> <span>13:44, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Hobodubo</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-13:44,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Hobodubo-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-13:56,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#13:56,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.8</span> <span>13:56, 25 November 2024 review of submission by OgTheig69</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-13:56,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-14:00,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#14:00,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.9</span> <span>14:00, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Weasleyrian</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-14:00,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-16:01,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#16:01,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.10</span> <span>16:01, 25 November 2024 review of submission by KellyWendorf</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-16:01,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-16:22,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#16:22,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.11</span> <span>16:22, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Chethu0728</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-16:22,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-16:30,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#16:30,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.12</span> <span>16:30, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Sunflowerlilies</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-16:30,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-17:06,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#17:06,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.13</span> <span>17:06, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Wikigeekgod99</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-17:06,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-18:20,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#18:20,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.14</span> <span>18:20, 25 November 2024 review of submission by 216.11.33.210</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-18:20,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-20:57,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#20:57,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.15</span> <span>20:57, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Thisisnot1621</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-20:57,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-22:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_JanaFerrume" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#22:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_JanaFerrume"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.16</span> <span>22:11, 25 November 2024 review of submission by JanaFerrume</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-22:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_JanaFerrume-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-November_26" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#November_26"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>November 26</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-November_26-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle November 26 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-November_26-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-00:39,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#00:39,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.1</span> <span>00:39, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Monetbaer</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-00:39,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-02:36,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#02:36,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.2</span> <span>02:36, 26 November 2024 review of submission by ShrimpInAHotTub</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-02:36,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-03:32,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.221.204.69" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#03:32,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.221.204.69"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.3</span> <span>03:32, 26 November 2024 review of submission by 118.221.204.69</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-03:32,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.221.204.69-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-03:53,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WWWedit" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#03:53,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WWWedit"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.4</span> <span>03:53, 26 November 2024 review of submission by WWWedit</span> </div> </a> <span 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I want to ensure that the article aligns with Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and notability. </p><p>Thank you for your time and guidance! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yourculturalscholar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yourculturalscholar (page does not exist)">Yourculturalscholar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yourculturalscholar" title="User talk:Yourculturalscholar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Yourculturalscholar-20241121005300-00:53,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Yourculturalscholar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yourculturalscholar-20241121005300-00:53,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Yourculturalscholar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yourculturalscholar-20241121005300-00:53,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Yourculturalscholar"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121063200-Yourculturalscholar-20241121005300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yourculturalscholar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yourculturalscholar (page does not exist)">Yourculturalscholar</a>: you have resubmitted <a href="/wiki/Draft:Nick_Barili" title="Draft:Nick Barili">Draft:Nick Barili</a>, so you will receive feedback when a reviewer comes across it and assesses it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241121063200-Yourculturalscholar-20241121005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121063200-Yourculturalscholar-20241121005300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121063200-Yourculturalscholar-20241121005300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="01:21,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_জামাল_রেজা" data-mw-thread-id="h-01:21,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_জামাল_রেজা-November_21-20241121012100"><span id="01:21.2C_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_.E0.A6.9C.E0.A6.BE.E0.A6.AE.E0.A6.BE.E0.A6.B2_.E0.A6.B0.E0.A7.87.E0.A6.9C.E0.A6.BE"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-01:21,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_জামাল_রেজা-November_21-20241121012100"></span>01:21, 21 November 2024 review of submission by জামাল রেজা<span data-mw-comment-end="h-01:21,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_জামাল_রেজা-November_21-20241121012100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_21&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: 01:21, 21 November 2024 review of submission by জামাল রেজা"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:জামাল রেজা (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100-01:21,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_জামাল_রেজা"></span>জামাল রেজা</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE" title="User talk:জামাল রেজা">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE" title="Special:Contributions/জামাল রেজা">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=01%3A21%2C+21+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2+%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Jamal_Reza" title="Draft:Jamal Reza">Draft:Jamal Reza</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jamal_Reza&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Jamal_Reza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Jamal Reza (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jamal_Reza&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Jamal_Reza">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jamal_Reza&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AJamal+Reza">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I am unable to hyperlink the page and my profile can you please suggest that and also tell me some of them for that. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:জামাল রেজা (page does not exist)">জামাল রেজা</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE" title="User talk:জামাল রেজা">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100-01:21,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_জামাল_রেজা" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100-01:21,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_জামাল_রেজা"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100-01:21,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_জামাল_রেজা"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241121012700-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100"></span>I fixed your link, it needs to be exactly as the title is- <a href="/wiki/Draft:Jamal_Reza" title="Draft:Jamal Reza">Draft:Jamal Reza</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241121012700-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241121012700-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241121012700-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121063300-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:জামাল রেজা (page does not exist)">জামাল রেজা</a>: I'm not sure what, if anything, you're asking, but as your draft is in a language other than English, it couldn't be accepted no matter what. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241121063300-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121063300-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121063300-জামাল_রেজা-20241121012100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-জামাল_রেজা-20241121084600-DoubleGrazing-20241121063300"></span>Can you make it as soon as possible please...? is it possible within half an hour? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:জামাল রেজা (page does not exist)">জামাল রেজা</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE" title="User talk:জামাল রেজা">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-জামাল_রেজা-20241121084600-DoubleGrazing-20241121063300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-জামাল_রেজা-20241121084600-DoubleGrazing-20241121063300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-জামাল_রেজা-20241121084600-DoubleGrazing-20241121063300"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%BE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:জামাল রেজা (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241121090400-জামাল_রেজা-20241121084600"></span>জামাল রেজা</a> we have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEADLINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEADLINE">no deadlines here</a>. Why are you on a deadline? And, as noted, the draft is not in English, you need to go to the Wikipedia of that language to post it. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241121090400-জামাল_রেজা-20241121084600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241121090400-জামাল_রেজা-20241121084600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241121090400-জামাল_রেজা-20241121084600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hammersoft-20241121131900-331dot-20241121090400"></span>Though, I'd recommend against it; it's a non-neutral autobiography. --<a href="/wiki/User:Hammersoft" title="User:Hammersoft">Hammersoft</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hammersoft" title="User talk:Hammersoft">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Hammersoft-20241121131900-331dot-20241121090400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hammersoft-20241121131900-331dot-20241121090400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hammersoft-20241121131900-331dot-20241121090400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="04:42,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tomdee_UG" data-mw-thread-id="h-04:42,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tomdee_UG-November_21-20241121044200"><span id="04:42.2C_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tomdee_UG"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-04:42,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tomdee_UG-November_21-20241121044200"></span>04:42, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Tomdee UG<span data-mw-comment-end="h-04:42,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tomdee_UG-November_21-20241121044200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_21&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: 04:42, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Tomdee UG"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tomdee_UG&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tomdee UG (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tomdee_UG-20241121044200-04:42,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tomdee_UG"></span>Tomdee UG</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tomdee_UG" title="User talk:Tomdee UG">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tomdee_UG" title="Special:Contributions/Tomdee UG">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tomdee_UG&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=04%3A42%2C+21+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Tomdee+UG">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Asaaba_Juma&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Asaaba Juma (page does not exist)">Draft:Asaaba Juma</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Asaaba_Juma&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Asaaba_Juma&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Asaaba Juma (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Asaaba_Juma&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Asaaba_Juma">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Asaaba_Juma&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAsaaba+Juma">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I need someone who can help me because, i try my best <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tomdee_UG&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tomdee UG (page does not exist)">Tomdee UG</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tomdee_UG" title="User talk:Tomdee UG">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Tomdee_UG-20241121044200-04:42,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tomdee_UG" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tomdee_UG-20241121044200-04:42,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tomdee_UG"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tomdee_UG-20241121044200-04:42,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tomdee_UG"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121062900-Tomdee_UG-20241121044200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tomdee_UG&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tomdee UG (page does not exist)">Tomdee UG</a>: your draft, such as it is, has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241121062900-Tomdee_UG-20241121044200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121062900-Tomdee_UG-20241121044200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121062900-Tomdee_UG-20241121044200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="06:17,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mhamdym" data-mw-thread-id="h-06:17,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mhamdym-November_21-20241121061700"><span id="06:17.2C_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mhamdym"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-06:17,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mhamdym-November_21-20241121061700"></span>06:17, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Mhamdym<span data-mw-comment-end="h-06:17,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mhamdym-November_21-20241121061700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_21&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: 06:17, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Mhamdym"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mhamdym&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mhamdym (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mhamdym-20241121061700-06:17,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mhamdym"></span>Mhamdym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mhamdym" title="User talk:Mhamdym">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mhamdym" title="Special:Contributions/Mhamdym">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mhamdym&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=06%3A17%2C+21+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Mhamdym">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dr_Mohamed_Hamdy_Abdou&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Dr Mohamed Hamdy Abdou (page does not exist)">Draft:Dr Mohamed Hamdy Abdou</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dr_Mohamed_Hamdy_Abdou&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Dr_Mohamed_Hamdy_Abdou&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Dr Mohamed Hamdy Abdou (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dr_Mohamed_Hamdy_Abdou&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Dr_Mohamed_Hamdy_Abdou">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dr_Mohamed_Hamdy_Abdou&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADr+Mohamed+Hamdy+Abdou">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Why was my manuscript rejected? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mhamdym&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mhamdym (page does not exist)">Mhamdym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mhamdym" title="User talk:Mhamdym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Mhamdym-20241121061700-06:17,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mhamdym" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mhamdym-20241121061700-06:17,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mhamdym"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mhamdym-20241121061700-06:17,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mhamdym"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121062600-Mhamdym-20241121061700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mhamdym&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mhamdym (page does not exist)">Mhamdym</a>: your draft presents no evidence whatsoever that you are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a> enough to be included, not to mention that it's basically just pure self-promotion. Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIO">WP:AUTOBIO</a>, which explains why we very strongly discourage autobiographies. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241121062600-Mhamdym-20241121061700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121062600-Mhamdym-20241121061700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121062600-Mhamdym-20241121061700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241121093900-Mhamdym-20241121061700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mhamdym&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mhamdym (page does not exist)">Mhamdym</a> You have confused Wikipedia with a website that is interested in your life and achievements. Please use a resume site like LinkedIn. This draft has been sent for deletion as a blatant avert. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241121093900-Mhamdym-20241121061700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241121093900-Mhamdym-20241121061700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241121093900-Mhamdym-20241121061700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="09:07,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst" data-mw-thread-id="h-09:07,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst-November_21-20241121090700"><span id="09:07.2C_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-09:07,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst-November_21-20241121090700"></span>09:07, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Mydaemonthirst<span data-mw-comment-end="h-09:07,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst-November_21-20241121090700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_21&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: 09:07, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Mydaemonthirst"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mydaemonthirst&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mydaemonthirst (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121090700-09:07,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst"></span>Mydaemonthirst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mydaemonthirst" title="User talk:Mydaemonthirst">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mydaemonthirst" title="Special:Contributions/Mydaemonthirst">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mydaemonthirst&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=09%3A07%2C+21+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Mydaemonthirst">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Swindon_Health_Hydro" title="Draft:Swindon Health Hydro">Draft:Swindon Health Hydro</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Swindon_Health_Hydro&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Swindon_Health_Hydro" title="Draft talk:Swindon Health Hydro">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Swindon_Health_Hydro&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Swindon_Health_Hydro">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Swindon_Health_Hydro&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASwindon+Health+Hydro">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I need to understand what sources I am allowed to use. I created a further draft 'Swindon Health Hydro, Formerly Known as Milton Road Baths' because I wanted to change the title and I wanted to be more thorough with the details of the building's history, backed up with more references. If I know what I can and can't cite then I will find other references, however long that takes. The 'Swindon Victorian Baths' article is about just one element of the building and is part of the story of the Victorian Turkish baths movement - it deserves to be kept separate as part of that story, with a cross-reference from an article about the Health Hydro. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mydaemonthirst&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mydaemonthirst (page does not exist)">Mydaemonthirst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mydaemonthirst" title="User talk:Mydaemonthirst">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121090700-09:07,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121090700-09:07,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121090700-09:07,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mydaemonthirst"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241121094600-Mydaemonthirst-20241121090700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mydaemonthirst&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mydaemonthirst (page does not exist)">Mydaemonthirst</a> There is a strong suggestion by <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> that your work has a better home in <a href="/wiki/Swindon_Victorian_Turkish_Baths" title="Swindon Victorian Turkish Baths">Swindon Victorian Turkish Baths</a> and that it be merged there. You may wish to discuss this with them directly.</dd> <dd>Please do not create further drafts. The eventual name is flexible and can be decided at any time.</dd> <dd>With regard to sources, the term <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">Reliable Sources</a> excludes anything that has no strong professional editor oversight. This excludes blogs, amateur websites, almost all of Youtube, etc etc. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241121094600-Mydaemonthirst-20241121090700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241121094600-Mydaemonthirst-20241121090700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241121094600-Mydaemonthirst-20241121090700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121142500-Timtrent-20241121094600"></span>Putting the story of the Health Hydro into an article on the Turkish baths would not be right.</dd> <dd>As I've stated several times already there are strong reasons for my objection to subsuming the Health Hydro in an article about the Turkish baths: <ol><li>The Turkish baths are just one part of the Health Hydro - telling the story of the whole building in an article about just one element would be a wasted effort - no-one would look for the Health Hydro in an article on Swindon Victorian Turkish Baths.</li> <li>People have clearly made an effort to tell the story of the Victorian Turkish Baths movement of which the Swindon article is just one element. Surely that story should be left to stand?</li> <li>An article on the Health Hydro would leave the Turkish as about one twentieth of the story, if that. The Health Hydro has two swimming pools and a 'dry side' that is about two thirds of the building. The large pool hall is a remarkable space that looks more like a railway station than a baths. The small pool has it's own story - originally the ladies' pool, it became the pool in which generations of Swindonians learnt to swim. The dry side first housed the Medical Fund Society's broad range of medical services (that Nye Bevan cited as an inspiration for the NHS), then an NHS Medical Centre, then a whole range of complementary medical offerings and is now entering a new phase in which it's unclear what will be there.</li></ol></dd> <dd>I do not understand why there can't be a separate article on the Health Hydro, cross-referenced to the existing article. Then the full story of the Hydro could be told, whilst preserving the story of the Victorian Turkish baths movement.</dd> <dd>I'll return to the Swindon Health Hydro, add more details to that but ensure that the references are valid. Where this leaves unsupported information I'll have to hunt down approved sources. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mydaemonthirst&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mydaemonthirst (page does not exist)">Mydaemonthirst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mydaemonthirst" title="User talk:Mydaemonthirst">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121142500-Timtrent-20241121094600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121142500-Timtrent-20241121094600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121142500-Timtrent-20241121094600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241121155500-Mydaemonthirst-20241121142500"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mydaemonthirst&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mydaemonthirst (page does not exist)">Mydaemonthirst</a>. When you say "I'll have to hunt down approved sources", you are showing that, like most drafts written by inexperienced editors, you have written it <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BACKWARDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BACKWARDS">WP:BACKWARDS</a>. An article should contain <i>not one single piece of information</i> which is not verifiable from a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable published source</a>. Not one.</dd> <dd>More generally My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft. (I'm aware that you created your account three years ago, but you had made only a single edit before you started working on this subject). <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241121155500-Mydaemonthirst-20241121142500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241121155500-Mydaemonthirst-20241121142500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241121155500-Mydaemonthirst-20241121142500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121161300-ColinFine-20241121155500"></span>I had solid information - just not acceptable to Wikipedia. For instance, I found papers in the reference library and I downloaded documents from the council's planning website. So I did have solid sources (I now understand that these are not acceptable to Wikipedia). So the article is factual and, locally, I could back it up. Now there are one or two areas that I need to back up with further documentation that I can cite on Wikipedia. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mydaemonthirst&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mydaemonthirst (page does not exist)">Mydaemonthirst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mydaemonthirst" title="User talk:Mydaemonthirst">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121161300-ColinFine-20241121155500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121161300-ColinFine-20241121155500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241121161300-ColinFine-20241121155500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241125064100-ColinFine-20241121155500"></span>I'm looking for more in the way of usable sources. I may well need to cut some of the article that I know to be factual but for which I haven't yet found appropriate sources. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mydaemonthirst&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mydaemonthirst (page does not exist)">Mydaemonthirst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mydaemonthirst" title="User talk:Mydaemonthirst">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Mydaemonthirst-20241125064100-ColinFine-20241121155500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241125064100-ColinFine-20241121155500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mydaemonthirst-20241125064100-ColinFine-20241121155500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="12:01,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg" data-mw-thread-id="h-12:01,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg-November_21-20241121120100"><span id="12:01.2C_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-12:01,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg-November_21-20241121120100"></span>12:01, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Eminrg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-12:01,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg-November_21-20241121120100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_21&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: 12:01, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Eminrg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Eminrg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Eminrg (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eminrg-20241121120100-12:01,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg"></span>Eminrg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eminrg" title="User talk:Eminrg">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eminrg" title="Special:Contributions/Eminrg">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eminrg&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=12%3A01%2C+21+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Eminrg">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Trans_Lunar_people" title="Draft:Trans Lunar people">Draft:Trans Lunar people</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Trans_Lunar_people&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Trans_Lunar_people&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Trans Lunar people (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Trans_Lunar_people&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Trans_Lunar_people">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Trans_Lunar_people&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ATrans+Lunar+people">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>what should a proper documentation should look like ? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Eminrg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Eminrg (page does not exist)">Eminrg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eminrg" title="User talk:Eminrg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Eminrg-20241121120100-12:01,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eminrg-20241121120100-12:01,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eminrg-20241121120100-12:01,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Eminrg"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241121120600-Eminrg-20241121120100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Eminrg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Eminrg (page does not exist)">Eminrg</a> It is mandatory that articles are properly referenced (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VERIFY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VERIFY">WP:VERIFY</a>) and that the topic itself meets our notability criteria (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTABILITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTABILITY">WP:NOTABILITY</a>). I am not convinced this topic is notable, especially as you used an AI chatbot to generate most of the text. I would recommend working on improving the existing LGBT articles instead of working on this rejected draft. Check out <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_LGBTQ%2B_studies" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies">Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies</a>. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241121120600-Eminrg-20241121120100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241121120600-Eminrg-20241121120100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241121120600-Eminrg-20241121120100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="14:36,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish" data-mw-thread-id="h-14:36,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish-November_21-20241121143600"><span id="14:36.2C_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-14:36,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish-November_21-20241121143600"></span>14:36, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Thocsburg Fish<span data-mw-comment-end="h-14:36,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish-November_21-20241121143600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_21&action=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section: 14:36, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Thocsburg Fish"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thocsburg_Fish&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thocsburg Fish (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thocsburg_Fish-20241121143600-14:36,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish"></span>Thocsburg Fish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thocsburg_Fish" title="User talk:Thocsburg Fish">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thocsburg_Fish" title="Special:Contributions/Thocsburg Fish">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thocsburg_Fish&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=14%3A36%2C+21+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Thocsburg+Fish">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Belvidere_Purchase&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Belvidere Purchase (page does not exist)">Belvidere Purchase</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belvidere_Purchase&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Belvidere_Purchase&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Belvidere Purchase (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belvidere_Purchase&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Belvidere_Purchase">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belvidere_Purchase&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ABelvidere+Purchase">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>My submission for a page was denied, but I couldn't find any info in the message as to why, I have access to the historical documents and maps proving this happened, and I was planning on using those to fill the page in with more info after once I get other documents and read the already existing ones more. Could it please be accepted, or at least elaborated on as to why it was declined? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thocsburg_Fish&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thocsburg Fish (page does not exist)">Thocsburg Fish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thocsburg_Fish" title="User talk:Thocsburg Fish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thocsburg_Fish-20241121143600-14:36,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thocsburg_Fish-20241121143600-14:36,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thocsburg_Fish-20241121143600-14:36,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thocsburg_Fish"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121145700-Thocsburg_Fish-20241121143600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thocsburg_Fish&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thocsburg Fish (page does not exist)">Thocsburg Fish</a>: this draft was declined because it is supported by only one source (which is merely listed in the 'External links' section, without being actually cited anywhere), and that source is may or may not be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Reliable">reliable</a>. In any event, a single source is not enough to show that the subject is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a>, which would have been another possible reason to decline this. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241121145700-Thocsburg_Fish-20241121143600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121145700-Thocsburg_Fish-20241121143600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241121145700-Thocsburg_Fish-20241121143600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="14:59,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje" data-mw-thread-id="h-14:59,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-November_21-20241121145900"><span id="14:59.2C_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-14:59,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-November_21-20241121145900"></span>14:59, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Karnnut Ngamvitroje<span data-mw-comment-end="h-14:59,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-November_21-20241121145900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_21&action=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section: 14:59, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Karnnut Ngamvitroje"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje" title="User:Karnnut Ngamvitroje"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-20241121145900-14:59,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje"></span>Karnnut Ngamvitroje</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje" title="User talk:Karnnut Ngamvitroje">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Karnnut_Ngamvitroje" title="Special:Contributions/Karnnut Ngamvitroje">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=14%3A59%2C+21+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Karnnut+Ngamvitroje">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje/sandbox" title="User:Karnnut Ngamvitroje/sandbox">User:Karnnut Ngamvitroje/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje/sandbox" title="User talk:Karnnut Ngamvitroje/sandbox">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AKarnnut+Ngamvitroje%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Am I able to use sources from University's website to cite an information that is directly mentioned the location within the university, also why is my source considered unreliable?? <a href="/wiki/User:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje" title="User:Karnnut Ngamvitroje">Karnnut Ngamvitroje</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje" title="User talk:Karnnut Ngamvitroje">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-20241121145900-14:59,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-20241121145900-14:59,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-20241121145900-14:59,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Karnnut_Ngamvitroje"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241121155800-Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-20241121145900"></span>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Karnnut_Ngamvitroje" title="User:Karnnut Ngamvitroje">Karnnut Ngamvitroje</a>. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a>. <small>If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.</small></dd> <dd>This means that, while the university's own publications and website may be cited in limited ways, the bulk of the article must be based on sources unconnected with the university. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241121155800-Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-20241121145900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241121155800-Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-20241121145900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241121155800-Karnnut_Ngamvitroje-20241121145900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="20:03,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun" data-mw-thread-id="h-20:03,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun-November_21-20241121200300"><span id="20:03.2C_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-20:03,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun-November_21-20241121200300"></span>20:03, 21 November 2024 review of submission by SmileyShogun<span data-mw-comment-end="h-20:03,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun-November_21-20241121200300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_21&action=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section: 20:03, 21 November 2024 review of submission by SmileyShogun"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:SmileyShogun" title="User:SmileyShogun"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SmileyShogun-20241121200300-20:03,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun"></span>SmileyShogun</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SmileyShogun" title="User talk:SmileyShogun">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SmileyShogun" title="Special:Contributions/SmileyShogun">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SmileyShogun&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=20%3A03%2C+21+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+SmileyShogun">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:NinjaOne" title="Draft:NinjaOne">Draft:NinjaOne</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:NinjaOne&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:NinjaOne" title="Draft talk:NinjaOne">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:NinjaOne&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:NinjaOne">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:NinjaOne&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ANinjaOne">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Just curious what I can do to improve this article for publication? <a href="/wiki/User:SmileyShogun" title="User:SmileyShogun">SmileyShogun</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SmileyShogun" title="User talk:SmileyShogun">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-SmileyShogun-20241121200300-20:03,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SmileyShogun-20241121200300-20:03,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SmileyShogun-20241121200300-20:03,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SmileyShogun"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241121215000-SmileyShogun-20241121200300"></span>Rejection typically means that a draft will not be considered further and cannot be resubmitted, at least not without major changes that address the concerns of reviewers. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241121215000-SmileyShogun-20241121200300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241121215000-SmileyShogun-20241121200300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241121215000-SmileyShogun-20241121200300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="21:44,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims" data-mw-thread-id="h-21:44,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims-November_21-20241121214400"><span id="21:44.2C_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-21:44,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims-November_21-20241121214400"></span>21:44, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Ngiphondims<span data-mw-comment-end="h-21:44,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims-November_21-20241121214400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_21&action=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section: 21:44, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Ngiphondims"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ngiphondims&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ngiphondims (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ngiphondims-20241121214400-21:44,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims"></span>Ngiphondims</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ngiphondims" title="User talk:Ngiphondims">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ngiphondims" title="Special:Contributions/Ngiphondims">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ngiphondims&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=21%3A44%2C+21+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Ngiphondims">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:NGIPHORH" title="Draft:NGIPHORH">Draft:NGIPHORH</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:NGIPHORH&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:NGIPHORH&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:NGIPHORH (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:NGIPHORH&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:NGIPHORH">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:NGIPHORH&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ANGIPHORH">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Because I'm a bigginner. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ngiphondims&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ngiphondims (page does not exist)">Ngiphondims</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ngiphondims" title="User talk:Ngiphondims">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ngiphondims-20241121214400-21:44,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ngiphondims-20241121214400-21:44,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ngiphondims-20241121214400-21:44,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241121214800-Ngiphondims-20241121214400"></span>I wish you luck in your music career, but Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Please read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTO">autobiography policy</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241121214800-Ngiphondims-20241121214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241121214800-Ngiphondims-20241121214400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241121214800-Ngiphondims-20241121214400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="22:08,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex" data-mw-thread-id="h-22:08,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex-November_21-20241121220800"><span id="22:08.2C_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-22:08,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex-November_21-20241121220800"></span>22:08, 21 November 2024 review of submission by SandFrex<span data-mw-comment-end="h-22:08,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex-November_21-20241121220800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2024_November_21&action=edit&section=T-12" title="Edit section: 22:08, 21 November 2024 review of submission by SandFrex"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:SandFrex" title="User:SandFrex"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SandFrex-20241121220800-22:08,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex"></span>SandFrex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SandFrex" title="User talk:SandFrex">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SandFrex" title="Special:Contributions/SandFrex">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SandFrex&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=22%3A08%2C+21+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+SandFrex">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Saley" title="Draft:Saley">Draft:Saley</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Saley&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Saley" title="Draft talk:Saley">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Saley&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Saley">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Saley&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASaley">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>this artist is an independent artist that just started so technically isn't notable yet because she doesn't have any interviews and stuff. Is there a way to make her article be published? what information would you need? her social media links? <a href="/wiki/User:SandFrex" title="User:SandFrex">SandFrex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SandFrex" title="User talk:SandFrex">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-SandFrex-20241121220800-22:08,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SandFrex-20241121220800-22:08,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SandFrex-20241121220800-22:08,_21_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_SandFrex"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241121230900-SandFrex-20241121220800"></span>What you describe means that this person does not yet merit an article; see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TOOSOON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOOSOON">WP:TOOSOON</a>. Interviews do not establish notability, there must be significant coverage in independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241121230900-SandFrex-20241121220800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241121230900-SandFrex-20241121220800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241121230900-SandFrex-20241121220800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_22" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_22-20241122040900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_22-20241122040900"></span>November 22<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_22-20241122040900"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: November 22"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="04:09,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7" data-mw-thread-id="h-04:09,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7-November_22-20241122040900"><span id="04:09.2C_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-04:09,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7-November_22-20241122040900"></span>04:09, 22 November 2024 review of submission by Rager7<span data-mw-comment-end="h-04:09,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7-November_22-20241122040900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: 04:09, 22 November 2024 review of submission by Rager7"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Rager7" title="User:Rager7"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rager7-20241122040900-04:09,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7"></span>Rager7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rager7" title="User talk:Rager7">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rager7" title="Special:Contributions/Rager7">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rager7&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=04%3A09%2C+22+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Rager7">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:The_disappearances_of_Mitchel_Weiser_and_Bonnie_Bickwit" title="Draft:The disappearances of Mitchel Weiser and Bonnie Bickwit">Draft:The disappearances of Mitchel Weiser and Bonnie Bickwit</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_disappearances_of_Mitchel_Weiser_and_Bonnie_Bickwit&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:The_disappearances_of_Mitchel_Weiser_and_Bonnie_Bickwit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:The disappearances of Mitchel Weiser and Bonnie Bickwit (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_disappearances_of_Mitchel_Weiser_and_Bonnie_Bickwit&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:The_disappearances_of_Mitchel_Weiser_and_Bonnie_Bickwit">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_disappearances_of_Mitchel_Weiser_and_Bonnie_Bickwit&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AThe+disappearances+of+Mitchel+Weiser+and+Bonnie+Bickwit">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I have been trying to get the article created but have been rejected three times now. Once, it was due to the person who said it was AI written and was biased. I rewrote it by improving it and providing more sources. The second and third time around (different people by the way) reasoning of rejecting the draft is "it wasn't the best sourced and reliable sources are needed." I'm confused because it should have been accepted the second time around. </p><p>So, this leads to question or the problem of this article: Can you find more reliable sources and help improve the information of this article? If not, I presume that this article will go nowhere as the other people suggested that it's better for this article to be on a different wiki instead. <a href="/wiki/User:Rager7" title="User:Rager7">Rager7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rager7" title="User talk:Rager7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Rager7-20241122040900-04:09,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rager7-20241122040900-04:09,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rager7-20241122040900-04:09,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rager7"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241122115700-Rager7-20241122040900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rager7" title="User:Rager7">Rager7</a>: the third decline was justified by virtue of there having been no improvement to the sourcing following the second decline, so it's effectively a second opinion by a different reviewer concurring with the previous assessment.</dd> <dd>As for those sources, I presume FOX5NY is reliable enough. <i>Rolling Stone</i> can be a bit flaky at times, but let's assume it's also okay here. The rest look like blogs, podcasts, and similar, so I wouldn't consider those reliable.</dd> <dd>Two reliable sources also isn't quite enough to establish notability per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>; we usually require three. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241122115700-Rager7-20241122040900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241122115700-Rager7-20241122040900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241122115700-Rager7-20241122040900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rager7-20241122220900-DoubleGrazing-20241122115700"></span>Could these sources be okay for the article then? Mitch Weiser and Bonnie Bickwit: Teenagers Disappeared Hitchhiking to a Concert - HubPages (HubPages.com) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newser.com/story/338775/they-planned-to-hitchhike-to-an-epic-concert-but-vanished.html">NY to Revisit Case of Kids Who Set Out for Concert, Vanished</a> (newser.com) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://coloradomusic.org/two-teens-hitchhiked-to-a-concert-50-years-later-they-havent-come-home/">Two Teens Hitchhiked to a Concert. 50 Years Later, They Haven’t Come Home - COMBO - The Colorado Music Business Organization</a> (coloradomusic.org).</dd> <dd>Let me know which ones are reliable and can be put into the article. Sadly, there's not much to go off of here due to the lack of notoriety of this event. <a href="/wiki/User:Rager7" title="User:Rager7">Rager7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rager7" title="User talk:Rager7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Rager7-20241122220900-DoubleGrazing-20241122115700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rager7-20241122220900-DoubleGrazing-20241122115700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rager7-20241122220900-DoubleGrazing-20241122115700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rager7-20241124174400-Rager7-20241122220900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> I forgot one more source: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://the-line-up.com/bonnie-bickwit-and-mitchel-weiser">Vanished from Summer Camp: Where Are Bonnie Bickwit and Mitchel Weiser?</a> (the Lineup.com). <a href="/wiki/User:Rager7" title="User:Rager7">Rager7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rager7" title="User talk:Rager7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Rager7-20241124174400-Rager7-20241122220900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rager7-20241124174400-Rager7-20241122220900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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04:59, 22 November 2024 review of submission by Rtrtyu"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Rtrtyu" title="User:Rtrtyu"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rtrtyu-20241122045900-04:59,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rtrtyu"></span>Rtrtyu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rtrtyu" title="User talk:Rtrtyu">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rtrtyu" title="Special:Contributions/Rtrtyu">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laxmi_Maharana&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Laxmi_Maharana">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laxmi_Maharana&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ALaxmi+Maharana">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>You guys need to improve this article so please help in improving it. <a href="/wiki/User:Rtrtyu" title="User:Rtrtyu">Rtrtyu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rtrtyu" title="User talk:Rtrtyu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Rtrtyu-20241122045900-04:59,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rtrtyu" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rtrtyu-20241122045900-04:59,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rtrtyu"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rtrtyu-20241122045900-04:59,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Rtrtyu"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241122064400-Rtrtyu-20241122045900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rtrtyu" title="User:Rtrtyu">Rtrtyu</a>: this draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a 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id="07:49.2C_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_78.134.241.82"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-07:49,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_78.134.241.82-November_22-20241122074900"></span>07:49, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 78.134.241.82<span data-mw-comment-end="h-07:49,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_78.134.241.82-November_22-20241122074900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: 07:49, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 78.134.241.82"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:78.134.241.82&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:78.134.241.82 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-78.134.241.82-20241122074900-07:49,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_78.134.241.82"></span>78.134.241.82</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:78.134.241.82&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:78.134.241.82 (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.134.241.82" title="Special:Contributions/78.134.241.82">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:78.134.241.82&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=07%3A49%2C+22+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+78.134.241.82">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:French_language_in_Croatia" title="Draft:French language in Croatia">Draft:French language in Croatia</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:French_language_in_Croatia&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:French_language_in_Croatia" title="Draft talk:French language in Croatia">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:French_language_in_Croatia&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:French_language_in_Croatia">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:French_language_in_Croatia&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AFrench+language+in+Croatia">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I Like to move into my userspace, or I'm in need to improve this article so please help in improving it. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.134.241.82" title="Special:Contributions/78.134.241.82">78.134.241.82</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:78.134.241.82&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:78.134.241.82 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-78.134.241.82-20241122074900-07:49,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_78.134.241.82" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-78.134.241.82-20241122074900-07:49,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_78.134.241.82"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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If you want to continue to work on it, you may do so as a draft. You can't move it at all unless you have a confirmed account(an account that is four days old with 10 edits or more). This topic doesn't seem like it is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notable</a> as the sources you have are pretty light on coverage. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241122091800-78.134.241.82-20241122074900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241122091800-78.134.241.82-20241122074900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241122091800-78.134.241.82-20241122074900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="12:20,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000" data-mw-thread-id="h-12:20,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000-November_22-20241122122000"><span id="12:20.2C_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-12:20,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000-November_22-20241122122000"></span>12:20, 22 November 2024 review of submission by WhiteStar2000<span data-mw-comment-end="h-12:20,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000-November_22-20241122122000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: 12:20, 22 November 2024 review of submission by WhiteStar2000"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:WhiteStar2000" title="User:WhiteStar2000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhiteStar2000-20241122122000-12:20,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000"></span>WhiteStar2000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhiteStar2000" title="User talk:WhiteStar2000">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/WhiteStar2000" title="Special:Contributions/WhiteStar2000">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WhiteStar2000&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=12%3A20%2C+22+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+WhiteStar2000">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Candidates_in_the_2025_Philippine_Senate_election" title="Draft:Candidates in the 2025 Philippine Senate election">Draft:Candidates in the 2025 Philippine Senate election</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Candidates_in_the_2025_Philippine_Senate_election&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Candidates_in_the_2025_Philippine_Senate_election&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Candidates in the 2025 Philippine Senate election (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Candidates_in_the_2025_Philippine_Senate_election&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Candidates_in_the_2025_Philippine_Senate_election">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Candidates_in_the_2025_Philippine_Senate_election&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ACandidates+in+the+2025+Philippine+Senate+election">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I am requesting for assistance because the draft was tagged as not suitable for notability in Wikipedia. For now, I am thinking of decreasing the number of references in the said draft and will insert the names of official candidates there once the Philippines' COMELEC issued a final list of candidates. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:WhiteStar2000" title="User:WhiteStar2000">WhiteStar2000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhiteStar2000" title="User talk:WhiteStar2000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-WhiteStar2000-20241122122000-12:20,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhiteStar2000-20241122122000-12:20,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhiteStar2000-20241122122000-12:20,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WhiteStar2000"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="12:30,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam" data-mw-thread-id="h-12:30,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam-November_22-20241122123000"><span id="12:30.2C_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-12:30,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam-November_22-20241122123000"></span>12:30, 22 November 2024 review of submission by Mapadam<span data-mw-comment-end="h-12:30,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam-November_22-20241122123000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: 12:30, 22 November 2024 review of submission by Mapadam"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mapadam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mapadam (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mapadam-20241122123000-12:30,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam"></span>Mapadam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mapadam" title="User talk:Mapadam">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mapadam" title="Special:Contributions/Mapadam">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mapadam&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=12%3A30%2C+22+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Mapadam">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Joseph_Plaster" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Joseph Plaster">Draft:Joseph Plaster</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Joseph_Plaster&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Joseph_Plaster" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft talk:Joseph Plaster">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Joseph_Plaster&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Joseph_Plaster">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Joseph_Plaster&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AJoseph+Plaster">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I received the following Comment: "A error parameters in the references, please fix it. Royiswariii Talk! 02:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)" How do I fix error parameters? Any help would be welcome. </p> <pre><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mapadam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mapadam (page does not exist)">Mapadam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mapadam" title="User talk:Mapadam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Mapadam-20241122123000-12:30,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mapadam-20241122123000-12:30,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mapadam-20241122123000-12:30,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mapadam"></span> </pre> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241122130800-Mapadam-20241122123000"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mapadam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mapadam (page does not exist)">Mapadam</a>. I am not seeing any errors, but I do see notability. I have therefore accepted the draft. Please add some appropriate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CATEGORIES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CATEGORIES">WP:CATEGORIES</a>. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241122130800-Mapadam-20241122123000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241122130800-Mapadam-20241122123000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241122130800-Mapadam-20241122123000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mapadam-20241122220800-Qcne-20241122130800"></span>Thank you! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mapadam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mapadam (page does not exist)">Mapadam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mapadam" title="User talk:Mapadam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Mapadam-20241122220800-Qcne-20241122130800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mapadam-20241122220800-Qcne-20241122130800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mapadam-20241122220800-Qcne-20241122130800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="12:57,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya" data-mw-thread-id="h-12:57,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya-November_22-20241122125700"><span id="12:57.2C_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-12:57,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya-November_22-20241122125700"></span>12:57, 22 November 2024 review of submission by Kalli navya<span data-mw-comment-end="h-12:57,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya-November_22-20241122125700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: 12:57, 22 November 2024 review of submission by Kalli navya"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Kalli_navya" title="User:Kalli navya"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kalli_navya-20241122125700-12:57,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya"></span>Kalli navya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kalli_navya" title="User talk:Kalli navya">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kalli_navya" title="Special:Contributions/Kalli navya">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kalli_navya&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=12%3A57%2C+22+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Kalli+navya">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Chitrapuri_colony" title="Draft:Chitrapuri colony">Draft:Chitrapuri colony</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Chitrapuri_colony&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Chitrapuri_colony" title="Draft talk:Chitrapuri colony">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Chitrapuri_colony&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Chitrapuri_colony">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Chitrapuri_colony&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AChitrapuri+colony">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>My submission was denied saying there are not enough references. I searched the internet again but couldn't find any other reliable sources. So, I re-arranged my content and removed some. Can you tell me what else can I do in this case. <a href="/wiki/User:Kalli_navya" title="User:Kalli navya">Kalli navya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kalli_navya" title="User talk:Kalli navya">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Kalli_navya-20241122125700-12:57,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kalli_navya-20241122125700-12:57,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kalli_navya-20241122125700-12:57,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kalli_navya"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241122130000-Kalli_navya-20241122125700"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Kalli_navya" title="User:Kalli navya">Kalli navya</a>, unfortunately I don't think this development merits a Wikipedia article. Our notability requirements are at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPLACE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPLACE">WP:NPLACE</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NBUILD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NBUILD">WP:NBUILD</a> - the colony doesn't meet either.</dd> <dd>I'd recommend finding another topic to write about. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241122130000-Kalli_navya-20241122125700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241122130000-Kalli_navya-20241122125700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241122130000-Kalli_navya-20241122125700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kalli_navya-20241122130400-Qcne-20241122130000"></span>I understand! I think I will leave this article here in the draft mode and write something else. If I find any references later, I will try to add it. Thanks for your help. <a href="/wiki/User:Kalli_navya" title="User:Kalli navya">Kalli navya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kalli_navya" title="User talk:Kalli navya">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Kalli_navya-20241122130400-Qcne-20241122130000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kalli_navya-20241122130400-Qcne-20241122130000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kalli_navya-20241122130400-Qcne-20241122130000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241122130800-Kalli_navya-20241122130400"></span>Best of luck :) <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241122130800-Kalli_navya-20241122130400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241122130800-Kalli_navya-20241122130400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241122130800-Kalli_navya-20241122130400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="15:55,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92" data-mw-thread-id="h-15:55,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FD-November_22-20241122155500"><span id="15:55.2C_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-15:55,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FD-November_22-20241122155500"></span>15:55, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92<span data-mw-comment-end="h-15:55,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FD-November_22-20241122155500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: 15:55, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92-20241122155500-15:55,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FD"></span>2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92 (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92" title="Special:Contributions/2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=15%3A55%2C+22+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+2601%3A201%3A8404%3A6BC0%3A208C%3ADA3B%3A8FDA%3AAF92">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Katherine_Propper" title="Draft:Katherine Propper">Draft:Katherine Propper</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Katherine_Propper&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Katherine_Propper" title="Draft talk:Katherine Propper">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Katherine_Propper&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Katherine_Propper">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Katherine_Propper&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AKatherine+Propper">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I would like someone to review submission of the changes on this article subject as since the references on the awards and nominations section are add and check it to see if this is okay so far. Or needs more improvement. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92" title="Special:Contributions/2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92">2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92-20241122155500-15:55,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92-20241122155500-15:55,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FD"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92-20241122155500-15:55,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FD"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241122171200-2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92-20241122155500"></span>And so they will. It is in the pool for review. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241122171200-2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92-20241122155500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241122171200-2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92-20241122155500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241122171200-2601:201:8404:6BC0:208C:DA3B:8FDA:AF92-20241122155500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="20:22,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12" data-mw-thread-id="h-20:22,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12-November_22-20241122202200"><span id="20:22.2C_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-20:22,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12-November_22-20241122202200"></span>20:22, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 88.235.212.12<span data-mw-comment-end="h-20:22,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12-November_22-20241122202200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: 20:22, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 88.235.212.12"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:88.235.212.12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:88.235.212.12 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.235.212.12-20241122202200-20:22,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12"></span>88.235.212.12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:88.235.212.12" title="User talk:88.235.212.12">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.235.212.12" title="Special:Contributions/88.235.212.12">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:88.235.212.12&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=20%3A22%2C+22+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+88.235.212.12">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Darington&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Darington (page does not exist)">Draft:Darington</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Darington&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Darington&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Darington (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Darington&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Darington">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Darington&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADarington">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I can't find the 3rd item to create this page. So, help is required, and there is no primary topic. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.235.212.12" title="Special:Contributions/88.235.212.12">88.235.212.12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:88.235.212.12" title="User talk:88.235.212.12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-88.235.212.12-20241122202200-20:22,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.235.212.12-20241122202200-20:22,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.235.212.12-20241122202200-20:22,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_88.235.212.12"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241122205800-88.235.212.12-20241122202200"></span>Hi IP editor - if Wikipedia only has two articles with "Darington" in the title name, then a disambiguation page shouldn't be created. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241122205800-88.235.212.12-20241122202200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241122205800-88.235.212.12-20241122202200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241122205800-88.235.212.12-20241122202200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.235.212.12-20241123034900-Qcne-20241122205800"></span>You also forgot about "See also" section and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TWODABS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TWODABS">WP:TWODABS</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.235.212.12" title="Special:Contributions/88.235.212.12">88.235.212.12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:88.235.212.12" title="User talk:88.235.212.12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-88.235.212.12-20241123034900-Qcne-20241122205800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.235.212.12-20241123034900-Qcne-20241122205800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.235.212.12-20241123034900-Qcne-20241122205800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241123093100-88.235.212.12-20241123034900"></span>You might think so, but I did not when I declined it. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241123093100-88.235.212.12-20241123034900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241123093100-88.235.212.12-20241123034900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241123093100-88.235.212.12-20241123034900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="21:31,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18" data-mw-thread-id="h-21:31,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18-November_22-20241122213100"><span id="21:31.2C_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-21:31,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18-November_22-20241122213100"></span>21:31, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 185.95.206.18<span data-mw-comment-end="h-21:31,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18-November_22-20241122213100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: 21:31, 22 November 2024 review of submission by 185.95.206.18"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:185.95.206.18&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:185.95.206.18 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-185.95.206.18-20241122213100-21:31,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18"></span>185.95.206.18</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:185.95.206.18&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:185.95.206.18 (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/185.95.206.18" title="Special:Contributions/185.95.206.18">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:185.95.206.18&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=21%3A31%2C+22+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+185.95.206.18">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:Zhewar_H._Ali/sandbox" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali/sandbox">User:Zhewar H. Ali/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zhewar_H._Ali/sandbox" title="User talk:Zhewar H. Ali/sandbox">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Zhewar_H._Ali/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AZhewar+H.+Ali%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hello, I need help addressing an issue with an article I wrote for Wikipedia. The article is a biography about Aram Mala Nuri, an activist and journalist who has had a significant impact on society. However, it was flagged for lacking notability. I strongly believe he is notable due to his contributions and influence as an activist and journalist. Could you please review this issue and clarify why it was deemed non-notable? I am committed to improving and editing the article further, but I need this specific concern to be reconsidered. Thank you. Here is the link to the article: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zhewar_H._Ali/sandbox">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zhewar_H._Ali/sandbox</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/185.95.206.18" title="Special:Contributions/185.95.206.18">185.95.206.18</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:185.95.206.18&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:185.95.206.18 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-185.95.206.18-20241122213100-21:31,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-185.95.206.18-20241122213100-21:31,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-185.95.206.18-20241122213100-21:31,_22_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_185.95.206.18"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241122230600-185.95.206.18-20241122213100"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali (page does not exist)">Zhewar H. Ali</a>. I haven't looked at your draft, but please note that "notable" has a special meaning for this purpose. "His contributions and influence as an activist and journalist" are irrelevant <i>unless they have been written about by people wholly unconnected with him, and published in reliable sources</i>. Please review all your sources against the triple criteria in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a>: only sources which meet <i>all three</i> of the criteria can contribute to establishing that the subject is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241122230600-185.95.206.18-20241122213100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241122230600-185.95.206.18-20241122213100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241122230600-185.95.206.18-20241122213100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241123120300-ColinFine-20241122230600"></span>Thanks for your response. If you could take a look at the Resources section, you may take a look at the 2nd source, you can see that he is notable and written about him and his contribution to activities related to society and politics. Regards. Please review it and see that the article can be published. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali (page does not exist)">Zhewar H. Ali</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zhewar_H._Ali" title="User talk:Zhewar H. Ali">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241123120300-ColinFine-20241122230600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241123120300-ColinFine-20241122230600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241123120300-ColinFine-20241122230600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300-ColinFine-20241122230600"></span>Greetings. Could you please consider this too. The individual whom the article is about (Aram Mala Nuri) is not related to me, I am just aware of his life attacks and threats that he has been receiving from unknown people. If you could take a look at this report written by an American Organization which is reliable, you may take into account that the article is notable, or should I just focus on that life threat since we have reliable sources available about that particular topic? Thanks for your help. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali (page does not exist)">Zhewar H. Ali</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zhewar_H._Ali" title="User talk:Zhewar H. Ali">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300-ColinFine-20241122230600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300-ColinFine-20241122230600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300-ColinFine-20241122230600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124201600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300"></span>here is the link to that article about his life threat due to his contribution in Activities, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cptik.org/articles-for-civil-society/2024/11/8/a-civil-society-activist-shares-his-story-of-death-threats-and-being-stabbed-17-times-1">https://cptik.org/articles-for-civil-society/2024/11/8/a-civil-society-activist-shares-his-story-of-death-threats-and-being-stabbed-17-times-1</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali (page does not exist)">Zhewar H. Ali</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zhewar_H._Ali" title="User talk:Zhewar H. Ali">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124201600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124201600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124201600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A77809-20241125093600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300"></span>If someone is being threatened, it is not a good idea to give him a high profile. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:A77809" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:A77809">A ton of bricks</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-A77809-20241125093600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A77809-20241125093600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A77809-20241125093600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241124200300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_23" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_23-20241123060200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_23-20241123060200"></span>November 23<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_23-20241123060200"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: November 23"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="06:02,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250" data-mw-thread-id="h-06:02,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250-November_23-20241123060200"><span id="06:02.2C_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-06:02,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250-November_23-20241123060200"></span>06:02, 23 November 2024 review of submission by 117.230.15.250<span data-mw-comment-end="h-06:02,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250-November_23-20241123060200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: 06:02, 23 November 2024 review of submission by 117.230.15.250"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:117.230.15.250&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:117.230.15.250 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-117.230.15.250-20241123060200-06:02,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250"></span>117.230.15.250</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:117.230.15.250&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:117.230.15.250 (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/117.230.15.250" title="Special:Contributions/117.230.15.250">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:117.230.15.250&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=06%3A02%2C+23+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+117.230.15.250">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Udne_Ki_Aasha" title="Draft:Udne Ki Aasha">Draft:Udne Ki Aasha</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Udne_Ki_Aasha&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Udne_Ki_Aasha" title="Draft talk:Udne Ki Aasha">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Udne_Ki_Aasha&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Udne_Ki_Aasha">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Udne_Ki_Aasha&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AUdne+Ki+Aasha">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>This draft has 10 sources. 8 sources out of the 10 are from <a href="/wiki/Bollywood_Hungama" title="Bollywood Hungama">Bollywood Hungama</a>, one from <a href="/wiki/Times_Now" title="Times Now">Times Now</a> but still the draft was declined stating that it does not have reliable sources. In that way if we see one of the other shows in <a href="/wiki/StarPlus" title="StarPlus">StarPlus</a> <i><a href="/wiki/Advocate_Anjali_Awasthi" title="Advocate Anjali Awasthi">Advocate Anjali Awasthi</a></i> also has sources from <a href="/wiki/Bollywood_Hungama" title="Bollywood Hungama">Bollywood Hungama</a> but still it's draft was moved to mainspace. Why this difference in perspectives by Wikipedia reviewers? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/117.230.15.250" title="Special:Contributions/117.230.15.250">117.230.15.250</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:117.230.15.250&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:117.230.15.250 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-117.230.15.250-20241123060200-06:02,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-117.230.15.250-20241123060200-06:02,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-117.230.15.250-20241123060200-06:02,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_117.230.15.250"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123084900-117.230.15.250-20241123060200"></span>The eight citations to Bollywood Hungama count as a single source. They don't have bylines, so were probably just picked up from press releases or feeds. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241123084900-117.230.15.250-20241123060200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123084900-117.230.15.250-20241123060200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123084900-117.230.15.250-20241123060200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="11:14,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray" data-mw-thread-id="h-11:14,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-November_23-20241123111400"><span id="11:14.2C_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-11:14,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-November_23-20241123111400"></span>11:14, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Fazil Showkat Tantray<span data-mw-comment-end="h-11:14,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-November_23-20241123111400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: 11:14, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Fazil Showkat Tantray"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fazil_Showkat_Tantray&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fazil Showkat Tantray (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-20241123111400-11:14,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray"></span>Fazil Showkat Tantray</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fazil_Showkat_Tantray" title="User talk:Fazil Showkat Tantray">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fazil_Showkat_Tantray" title="Special:Contributions/Fazil Showkat Tantray">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fazil_Showkat_Tantray&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=11%3A14%2C+23+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Fazil+Showkat+Tantray">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Fazil_Ahmad_Tantray&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Fazil Ahmad Tantray (page does not exist)">Draft:Fazil Ahmad Tantray</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Fazil_Ahmad_Tantray&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Fazil_Ahmad_Tantray&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Fazil Ahmad Tantray (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Fazil_Ahmad_Tantray&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Fazil_Ahmad_Tantray">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Fazil_Ahmad_Tantray&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AFazil+Ahmad+Tantray">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Why my Review of newly account rejected all the information about me in article is true and perfect <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fazil_Showkat_Tantray&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fazil Showkat Tantray (page does not exist)">Fazil Showkat Tantray</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fazil_Showkat_Tantray" title="User talk:Fazil Showkat Tantray">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-20241123111400-11:14,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-20241123111400-11:14,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-20241123111400-11:14,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Fazil_Showkat_Tantray"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fazil_Showkat_Tantray&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fazil Showkat Tantray (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241123111900-Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-20241123111400"></span>Fazil Showkat Tantray</a> I fixed your link, you need the "Draft:" portion. Your draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected means that it could not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted(as you already did). Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, please read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTO">autobiography policy</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241123111900-Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-20241123111400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241123111900-Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-20241123111400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241123111900-Fazil_Showkat_Tantray-20241123111400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="12:58,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm" data-mw-thread-id="h-12:58,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-November_23-20241123125800"><span id="12:58.2C_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-12:58,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-November_23-20241123125800"></span>12:58, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Chonlawat Yongpraderm<span data-mw-comment-end="h-12:58,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-November_23-20241123125800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: 12:58, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Chonlawat Yongpraderm"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Chonlawat_Yongpraderm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Chonlawat Yongpraderm (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-20241123125800-12:58,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm"></span>Chonlawat Yongpraderm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chonlawat_Yongpraderm" title="User talk:Chonlawat Yongpraderm">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chonlawat_Yongpraderm" title="Special:Contributions/Chonlawat Yongpraderm">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chonlawat_Yongpraderm&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=12%3A58%2C+23+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Chonlawat+Yongpraderm">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Suki_Teenoi" title="Draft:Suki Teenoi">Draft:Suki Teenoi</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Suki_Teenoi&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Suki_Teenoi" title="Draft talk:Suki Teenoi">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Suki_Teenoi&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Suki_Teenoi">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Suki_Teenoi&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASuki+Teenoi">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Bonadea said that the source is unreliable, but the source that we using is in suki teenoi Wikipedia Thailand. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Chonlawat_Yongpraderm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Chonlawat Yongpraderm (page does not exist)">Chonlawat Yongpraderm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chonlawat_Yongpraderm" title="User talk:Chonlawat Yongpraderm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-20241123125800-12:58,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-20241123125800-12:58,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-20241123125800-12:58,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chonlawat_Yongpraderm"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bonadea-20241123142100-Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-20241123125800"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Chonlawat_Yongpraderm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Chonlawat Yongpraderm (page does not exist)">Chonlawat Yongpraderm</a>:</span> I think you misunderstood the "decline" notice. That sources must be reliable is only one of the requirements. The text in the notice says</dd></dl> <blockquote><p>the draft needs multiple published sources that are: </p><p><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH">in-depth</a></i> (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements) </p><p><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable</a></i> </p><p><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SECONDARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SECONDARY">secondary</a></i> </p><p><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGIND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGIND">strictly independent</a></i> of the subject </p><p> Make sure you add references that meet <i>all four</i> of these criteria before resubmitting.</p></blockquote> <dl><dd>Please follow the blue links in the list above, which will tell you what the requirements are. Regards, --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">bonadea</a></i> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bonadea" title="Special:Contributions/Bonadea">contributions</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bonadea" title="User talk:Bonadea">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Bonadea-20241123142100-Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-20241123125800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bonadea-20241123142100-Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-20241123125800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bonadea-20241123142100-Chonlawat_Yongpraderm-20241123125800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241123225100-Bonadea-20241123142100"></span>It matters little. Blocked for sockpuppetry. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241123225100-Bonadea-20241123142100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241123225100-Bonadea-20241123142100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241123225100-Bonadea-20241123142100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div 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data-mw-thread-id="c-134.255.84.144-20241123154400-15:44,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_134.255.84.144"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-134.255.84.144-20241123154400-15:44,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_134.255.84.144"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124065100-134.255.84.144-20241123154400"></span>Did you have a question we can help with, IP editor? <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-StartGrammarTime-20241124065100-134.255.84.144-20241123154400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124065100-134.255.84.144-20241123154400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124065100-134.255.84.144-20241123154400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="16:17,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman" data-mw-thread-id="h-16:17,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-November_23-20241123161700"><span id="16:17.2C_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16:17,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-November_23-20241123161700"></span>16:17, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-16:17,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-November_23-20241123161700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: 16:17, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-20241123161700-16:17,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman"></span>Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman" title="User talk:Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman" title="Special:Contributions/Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=16%3A17%2C+23+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Sheikh+Ashfakur+Rahman">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Zafran_Hair_Growth_Therapy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Zafran Hair Growth Therapy (page does not exist)">Draft:Zafran Hair Growth Therapy</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Zafran_Hair_Growth_Therapy&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Zafran_Hair_Growth_Therapy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Zafran Hair Growth Therapy (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Zafran_Hair_Growth_Therapy&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Zafran_Hair_Growth_Therapy">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Zafran_Hair_Growth_Therapy&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AZafran+Hair+Growth+Therapy">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>zafran brand is my company and i want to add my info wikipedia <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman (page does not exist)">Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman" title="User talk:Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-20241123161700-16:17,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-20241123161700-16:17,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-20241123161700-16:17,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123162200-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-20241123161700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman (page does not exist)">Sheikh Ashfakur Rahman</a>: I must warn you, you are very close to being blocked for spamming. I have deleted two of your adverts, and another administrator has deleted at least one more. Wikipedia is not a marketing channel for your business. Please stop now.</dd> <dd>Also, you must make a paid-editing disclosure as your very next edit. Instructions have been posted on your talk page. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241123162200-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-20241123161700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123162200-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-20241123161700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241123162200-Sheikh_Ashfakur_Rahman-20241123161700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Chamber_Music_Queen" title="User:Chamber Music Queen"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chamber_Music_Queen-20241123212600-21:26,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chamber_Music_Queen"></span>Chamber Music Queen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chamber_Music_Queen" title="User talk:Chamber Music Queen">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chamber_Music_Queen" title="Special:Contributions/Chamber Music Queen">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chamber_Music_Queen&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=21%3A26%2C+23+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Chamber+Music+Queen">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Irwin_Eisenberg" title="Draft:Irwin Eisenberg">Draft:Irwin Eisenberg</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Irwin_Eisenberg&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Irwin_Eisenberg" title="Draft talk:Irwin Eisenberg">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Irwin_Eisenberg&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Irwin_Eisenberg">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Irwin_Eisenberg&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AIrwin+Eisenberg">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I would like help in improving reliable sources <a href="/wiki/User:Chamber_Music_Queen" title="User:Chamber Music Queen">Chamber Music Queen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chamber_Music_Queen" title="User talk:Chamber Music Queen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Chamber_Music_Queen-20241123212600-21:26,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chamber_Music_Queen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chamber_Music_Queen-20241123212600-21:26,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chamber_Music_Queen"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chamber_Music_Queen-20241123212600-21:26,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chamber_Music_Queen"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124063600-Chamber_Music_Queen-20241123212600"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Chamber_Music_Queen" title="User:Chamber Music Queen">Chamber Music Queen</a>! Can I suggest you begin by reading through <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFB">referencing for beginners</a> and using that to fix up the citations for the sources you currently have? While you're going through them, compare each of them to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a>, the 'golden rule', which says you are looking for <i>significant coverage</i> in <i>reliable sources</i> that are <i>independent of the topic</i>. If you have questions after fixing the citations, please come back and ask; we'll be much more helpful if we can access the sources. <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-StartGrammarTime-20241124063600-Chamber_Music_Queen-20241123212600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124063600-Chamber_Music_Queen-20241123212600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124063600-Chamber_Music_Queen-20241123212600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="21:33,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre" data-mw-thread-id="h-21:33,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre-November_23-20241123213300"><span id="21:33.2C_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-21:33,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre-November_23-20241123213300"></span>21:33, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Robert T. deGavre<span data-mw-comment-end="h-21:33,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre-November_23-20241123213300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: 21:33, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Robert T. deGavre"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Robert_T._deGavre" title="User:Robert T. deGavre"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_T._deGavre-20241123213300-21:33,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre"></span>Robert T. deGavre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_T._deGavre" title="User talk:Robert T. deGavre">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Robert_T._deGavre" title="Special:Contributions/Robert T. deGavre">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_T._deGavre&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=21%3A33%2C+23+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Robert+T.+deGavre">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Chester_Braddock_deGavre" title="Draft:Chester Braddock deGavre">Draft:Chester Braddock deGavre</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Chester_Braddock_deGavre&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Chester_Braddock_deGavre&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Chester Braddock deGavre (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Chester_Braddock_deGavre&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Chester_Braddock_deGavre">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Chester_Braddock_deGavre&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AChester+Braddock+deGavre">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I am trying to edit my AfC article on Chester Braddock deGavre. Previously the name of the draft appeared immediately when I logged in. Now the box is blank. When I type in the name of my draft , it appears in small type with a multitude of symbols. Where is the readable version which can be edited? <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_T._deGavre" title="User:Robert T. deGavre">Robert T. deGavre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_T._deGavre" title="User talk:Robert T. deGavre">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Robert_T._deGavre-20241123213300-21:33,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_T._deGavre-20241123213300-21:33,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_T._deGavre-20241123213300-21:33,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Robert_T._deGavre"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124060800-Robert_T._deGavre-20241123213300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Robert_T._deGavre" title="User:Robert T. deGavre">Robert T. deGavre</a>, clicking on the link above (or here: <a href="/wiki/Draft:Chester_Braddock_deGavre" title="Draft:Chester Braddock deGavre">Draft: Chester Braddock deGavre</a>) is taking me to an editable version of the draft. If you click that link, does it get you to the draft that you want to work on? If not, can you be more specific about the blank box, and where you are typing? <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-StartGrammarTime-20241124060800-Robert_T._deGavre-20241123213300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124060800-Robert_T._deGavre-20241123213300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124060800-Robert_T._deGavre-20241123213300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_T._deGavre-20241124172400-StartGrammarTime-20241124060800"></span>thank you <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_T._deGavre" title="User:Robert T. deGavre">Robert T. deGavre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_T._deGavre" title="User talk:Robert T. deGavre">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Robert_T._deGavre-20241124172400-StartGrammarTime-20241124060800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_T._deGavre-20241124172400-StartGrammarTime-20241124060800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_T._deGavre-20241124172400-StartGrammarTime-20241124060800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="22:00,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2" data-mw-thread-id="h-22:00,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2-November_23-20241123220000"><span id="22:00.2C_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-22:00,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2-November_23-20241123220000"></span>22:00, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Wangxun2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-22:00,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2-November_23-20241123220000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: 22:00, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Wangxun2"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wangxun2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wangxun2 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wangxun2-20241123220000-22:00,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2"></span>Wangxun2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wangxun2" title="User talk:Wangxun2">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wangxun2" title="Special:Contributions/Wangxun2">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wangxun2&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=22%3A00%2C+23+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Wangxun2">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Thomas_J._Hastings" title="Draft:Thomas J. Hastings">Draft:Thomas J. Hastings</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Thomas_J._Hastings&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Thomas_J._Hastings" title="Draft talk:Thomas J. Hastings">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Thomas_J._Hastings&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Thomas_J._Hastings">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Thomas_J._Hastings&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AThomas+J.+Hastings">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hello, I'd like to add in a segment about Thomas Hastings starting Path and selling it to Sean Fanning later on. I have the escrow documents to prove it. It's not published in any news article so I cannot cite it, but can I still include this in the Wikipedia page? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wangxun2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wangxun2 (page does not exist)">Wangxun2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wangxun2" title="User talk:Wangxun2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Wangxun2-20241123220000-22:00,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wangxun2-20241123220000-22:00,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wangxun2-20241123220000-22:00,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wangxun2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241123220300-Wangxun2-20241123220000"></span>If you cannot provide a citation for something, it cannot be in an article. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241123220300-Wangxun2-20241123220000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241123220300-Wangxun2-20241123220000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241123220300-Wangxun2-20241123220000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red" data-mw-thread-id="h-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red-November_23-20241123223400"><span id="22:34.2C_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red-November_23-20241123223400"></span>22:34, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Jag612red<span data-mw-comment-end="h-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red-November_23-20241123223400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: 22:34, 23 November 2024 review of submission by Jag612red"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jag612red-20241123223400-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"></span>Jag612red</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jag612red" title="User talk:Jag612red">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jag612red" title="Special:Contributions/Jag612red">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jag612red&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=22%3A34%2C+23+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Jag612red">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Qubein_Center" title="Draft:Qubein Center">Draft:Qubein Center</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Qubein_Center&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Qubein_Center" title="Draft talk:Qubein Center">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Qubein_Center&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Qubein_Center">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Qubein_Center&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AQubein+Center">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Need more reason about why my article was declined so I can fix this. I really want this to be published as the article doesn't exist yet if you can please tell me why that will be great. Also can you fix my map <a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red">Jag612red</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jag612red" title="User talk:Jag612red">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jag612red-20241123223400-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jag612red-20241123223400-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jag612red-20241123223400-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124062900-Jag612red-20241123223400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red">Jag612red</a>, the reviewer has been pretty specific about what you need to include - if you go to your draft and read through the big orange box at the top, you'll see there are links to help you assess whether your sources are independent and secondary (click those words to get to the right guidelines). If you still have questions after reading those, come on back! <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-StartGrammarTime-20241124062900-Jag612red-20241123223400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124062900-Jag612red-20241123223400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124062900-Jag612red-20241123223400"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jag612red-20241123224200-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"></span>(duplicated question moved to this section:) I dont understand why it was declined. Even though I used source multiple times its reliable and it has depth. It talks about the subject and I don't know what to fix. If anyone can help in what I am doing wrong it would help. <a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red">Jag612red</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jag612red" title="User talk:Jag612red">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jag612red-20241123224200-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jag612red-20241123224200-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jag612red-20241123224200-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jag612red-20241123231600-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"></span>(further question moved to this section:) Can someone fix my map in my infobox. I would appreciate it. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red">Jag612red</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jag612red" title="User talk:Jag612red">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jag612red-20241123231600-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jag612red-20241123231600-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jag612red-20241123231600-22:34,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124065400-Jag612red-20241123231600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red">Jag612red</a>: all bar one of your sources are primary, and close to the subject (ie. not independent). We need to see multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent and have provided significant coverage of the subject.</dd> <dd>What are you saying is wrong with the map? Seems fine to me. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241124065400-Jag612red-20241123231600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124065400-Jag612red-20241123231600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124065400-Jag612red-20241123231600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jag612red-20241124161800-DoubleGrazing-20241124065400"></span>What is bar one whichs one exactly are you talking about <a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red">Jag612red</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jag612red" title="User talk:Jag612red">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jag612red-20241124161800-DoubleGrazing-20241124065400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jag612red-20241124161800-DoubleGrazing-20241124065400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jag612red-20241124161800-DoubleGrazing-20241124065400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="23:50,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth" data-mw-thread-id="h-23:50,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth-November_23-20241123235000"><span id="23:50.2C_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-23:50,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth-November_23-20241123235000"></span>23:50, 23 November 2024 review of submission by AnimalNorth<span data-mw-comment-end="h-23:50,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth-November_23-20241123235000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: 23:50, 23 November 2024 review of submission by AnimalNorth"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AnimalNorth&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AnimalNorth (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnimalNorth-20241123235000-23:50,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth"></span>AnimalNorth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnimalNorth" title="User talk:AnimalNorth">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AnimalNorth" title="Special:Contributions/AnimalNorth">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AnimalNorth&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=23%3A50%2C+23+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+AnimalNorth">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Ron_George,_Composer" title="Draft:Ron George, Composer">Draft:Ron George, Composer</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ron_George,_Composer&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Ron_George,_Composer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Ron George, Composer (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ron_George,_Composer&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Ron_George,_Composer">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ron_George,_Composer&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ARon+George%2C+Composer">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>My sources are well proven to be reliable & durable sources yet is rejected. Is this a matter of syntax or some other issue. </p><p>If after 7 years of the links in this article are solid, why are they not qualified as reliable sources? </p><p>Please advise <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AnimalNorth&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AnimalNorth (page does not exist)">AnimalNorth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnimalNorth" title="User talk:AnimalNorth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-AnimalNorth-20241123235000-23:50,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnimalNorth-20241123235000-23:50,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnimalNorth-20241123235000-23:50,_23_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_AnimalNorth"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kline-20241123235300-AnimalNorth-20241123235000"></span>Fixed draft link. <a href="/wiki/User:Kline" title="User:Kline">Kline</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kline" title="User talk:Kline">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kline" title="Special:Contributions/Kline">contribs</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Kline-20241123235300-AnimalNorth-20241123235000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kline-20241123235300-AnimalNorth-20241123235000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kline-20241123235300-AnimalNorth-20241123235000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124065000-AnimalNorth-20241123235000"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AnimalNorth&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AnimalNorth (page does not exist)">AnimalNorth</a>! Links to other Wikipedia articles aren't reliable because <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WINARS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WINARS">Wikipedia is not a reliable source</a>. There's a lot of information in that link that will hopefully explain better than I can. What you <i>can</i> do is find the source the other Wikipedia article is citing, make sure it says what the article is telling you it says, and then use that source for your own draft. Just be warned that not all sources are created equal; before relying on a source, assess it against the triple criteria at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a>, our 'golden rule'. If you still have questions after having a go at that, please do come back and we'll try to help answer them. <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-StartGrammarTime-20241124065000-AnimalNorth-20241123235000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124065000-AnimalNorth-20241123235000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StartGrammarTime-20241124065000-AnimalNorth-20241123235000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_24" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_24-20241124004800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_24-20241124004800"></span>November 24<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_24-20241124004800"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: November 24"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="00:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords" data-mw-thread-id="h-00:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords-November_24-20241124004800"><span id="00:48.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-00:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords-November_24-20241124004800"></span>00:48, 24 November 2024 review of submission by PostRhythmRecords<span data-mw-comment-end="h-00:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords-November_24-20241124004800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: 00:48, 24 November 2024 review of submission by PostRhythmRecords"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PostRhythmRecords&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PostRhythmRecords (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800-00:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords"></span>PostRhythmRecords</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PostRhythmRecords" title="User talk:PostRhythmRecords">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PostRhythmRecords" title="Special:Contributions/PostRhythmRecords">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PostRhythmRecords&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=00%3A48%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+PostRhythmRecords">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:DPunk" title="Draft:DPunk">Draft:DPunk</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:DPunk&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:DPunk" title="Draft talk:DPunk">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:DPunk&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:DPunk">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:DPunk&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADPunk">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I don't know what I'm missing. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PostRhythmRecords&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PostRhythmRecords (page does not exist)">PostRhythmRecords</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PostRhythmRecords" title="User talk:PostRhythmRecords">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800-00:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800-00:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800-00:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_PostRhythmRecords"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jag612red-20241124013400-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800"></span>Hey. It seems like your article doesn't meet at the requirements to be an actual published article. You are missing: Referencable sources. You need references and citable sources in your article. To make an reference use the ref keys. To learn more about references and, click this link to this article <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources" title="Wikipedia:Citing sources">Wikipedia:Citing sources</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red">Jag612red</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jag612red" title="User talk:Jag612red">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jag612red-20241124013400-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jag612red-20241124013400-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jag612red-20241124013400-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241124163000-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800"></span>OP blocked. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241124163000-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241124163000-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241124163000-PostRhythmRecords-20241124004800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="01:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale" data-mw-thread-id="h-01:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale-November_24-20241124010900"><span id="01:09.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-01:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale-November_24-20241124010900"></span>01:09, 24 November 2024 review of submission by MyNameIsGeorgeHale<span data-mw-comment-end="h-01:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale-November_24-20241124010900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: 01:09, 24 November 2024 review of submission by MyNameIsGeorgeHale"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MyNameIsGeorgeHale&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MyNameIsGeorgeHale (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MyNameIsGeorgeHale-20241124010900-01:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale"></span>MyNameIsGeorgeHale</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MyNameIsGeorgeHale" title="User talk:MyNameIsGeorgeHale">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MyNameIsGeorgeHale" title="Special:Contributions/MyNameIsGeorgeHale">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MyNameIsGeorgeHale&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=01%3A09%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+MyNameIsGeorgeHale">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Kieran_Howe" title="Draft:Kieran Howe">Draft:Kieran Howe</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Kieran_Howe&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Kieran_Howe" title="Draft talk:Kieran Howe">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Kieran_Howe&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Kieran_Howe">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Kieran_Howe&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AKieran+Howe">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I am not sure if the article for “Kieran Howe” has been properly submitted for review or not. I can’t see it on the list of articles submitted for review. <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kieran_Howe">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kieran_Howe</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MyNameIsGeorgeHale&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MyNameIsGeorgeHale (page does not exist)">MyNameIsGeorgeHale</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MyNameIsGeorgeHale" title="User talk:MyNameIsGeorgeHale">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-MyNameIsGeorgeHale-20241124010900-01:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MyNameIsGeorgeHale-20241124010900-01:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MyNameIsGeorgeHale-20241124010900-01:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_MyNameIsGeorgeHale"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241124012700-MyNameIsGeorgeHale-20241124010900"></span>Answered your other post, please only use one forum to seek assistance. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241124012700-MyNameIsGeorgeHale-20241124010900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241124012700-MyNameIsGeorgeHale-20241124010900"><span 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data-mw-comment-end="h-05:31,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2E-November_24-20241124053100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: 05:31, 24 November 2024 review of submission by 2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557-20241124053100-05:31,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2E"></span>2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557 (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557" title="Special:Contributions/2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=05%3A31%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+2603%3A8000%3AA4F0%3A9A00%3A8F1C%3A1D8A%3A2ECB%3A4557">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Southern_Lights" title="Draft:Southern Lights">Draft:Southern Lights</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Southern_Lights&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Southern_Lights" title="Draft talk:Southern Lights">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Southern_Lights&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Southern_Lights">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Southern_Lights&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASouthern+Lights">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I am not able to use the Move action to change the title of the article to "Southern Lights (sculpture)" How to rename the title? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557" title="Special:Contributions/2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557">2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557-20241124053100-05:31,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2E" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557-20241124053100-05:31,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2E"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557-20241124053100-05:31,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2E"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124064700-2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557-20241124053100"></span>I've made a note of that in the draft. There's no need to move this yet, since it will have to be moved in any case, if/when the draft is accepted. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241124064700-2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557-20241124053100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124064700-2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557-20241124053100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124064700-2603:8000:A4F0:9A00:8F1C:1D8A:2ECB:4557-20241124053100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="07:44,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D" data-mw-thread-id="h-07:44,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F-November_24-20241124074400"><span id="07:44.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-07:44,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F-November_24-20241124074400"></span>07:44, 24 November 2024 review of submission by 2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D<span data-mw-comment-end="h-07:44,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F-November_24-20241124074400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: 07:44, 24 November 2024 review of submission by 2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D-20241124074400-07:44,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F"></span>2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D" title="Special:Contributions/2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=07%3A44%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+2409%3A40E2%3A1021%3A3933%3A6359%3AAC25%3A5F3E%3A524D">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laxmi_Narayan_(artist)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Laxmi Narayan (artist) (page does not exist)">Draft:Laxmi Narayan (artist)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laxmi_Narayan_(artist)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Laxmi_Narayan_(artist)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Laxmi Narayan (artist) (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laxmi_Narayan_(artist)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Laxmi_Narayan_(artist)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laxmi_Narayan_(artist)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ALaxmi+Narayan+%28artist%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Please help in creating this page. I do not have much knowledge about Wikipedia, so please help in creating this page. Thank you <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D" title="Special:Contributions/2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D">2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D-20241124074400-07:44,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D-20241124074400-07:44,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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talk:Laxmi Narayan (artist) (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laxmi_Narayan_(artist)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Laxmi_Narayan_(artist)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Laxmi_Narayan_(artist)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ALaxmi+Narayan+%28artist%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Please help me in making this page, I am not able to understand what mistake I am doing so please correct my mistake <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D" title="Special:Contributions/2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D">2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D</a> (<a 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data-mw-comment-end="c-2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D-20241124074800-07:48,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124075900-2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D-20241124074800"></span>Don't you think it's time to give this a rest? This is at least the fourth title where it has been attempted, and always failed, to create the article. The subject is clearly not notable.</dd> <dd>Also, note that when you're blocked, you are not allowed to edit even logged-out. The block applies to you as a person, not just to your user account. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241124075900-2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D-20241124074800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124075900-2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D-20241124074800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124075900-2409:40E2:1021:3933:6359:AC25:5F3E:524D-20241124074800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="08:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke" data-mw-thread-id="h-08:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-November_24-20241124080900"><span id="08:09.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-08:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-November_24-20241124080900"></span>08:09, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Prince Folorunsho Adegoke<span data-mw-comment-end="h-08:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-November_24-20241124080900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: 08:09, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Prince Folorunsho Adegoke"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke" title="User:Prince Folorunsho Adegoke"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-20241124080900-08:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke"></span>Prince Folorunsho Adegoke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke" title="User talk:Prince Folorunsho Adegoke">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke" title="Special:Contributions/Prince Folorunsho Adegoke">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=08%3A09%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Prince+Folorunsho+Adegoke">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Adebola_Adebileje" title="Draft:Adebola Adebileje">Draft:Adebola Adebileje</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Adebola_Adebileje&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Adebola_Adebileje" title="Draft talk:Adebola Adebileje">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Adebola_Adebileje&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Adebola_Adebileje">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Adebola_Adebileje&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAdebola+Adebileje">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Thank you for your response. Please check, I think it meets one of the eight academic-specific criteria because the subject is the immediate past Deputy Vice Chancellor of Redeemer's University and her successor, <a href="/wiki/Ahmed_Yerima" title="Ahmed Yerima">Ahmed Yerima</a> has an article on Wikipedia which I used as a sample to make her article better. Kindly refer to Editors who can also assist in addressing the issues in the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke" title="User:Prince Folorunsho Adegoke">PFA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke" title="User talk:Prince Folorunsho Adegoke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-20241124080900-08:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-20241124080900-08:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-20241124080900-08:09,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124083400-Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-20241124080900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke" title="User:Prince Folorunsho Adegoke">Prince Folorunsho Adegoke</a>: being <i>deputy</i> V-C does not satisfy <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NACADEMIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NACADEMIC">WP:NACADEMIC</a> #6, if that's what you mean; they would need to be the actual V-C for that. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241124083400-Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-20241124080900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124083400-Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-20241124080900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241124083400-Prince_Folorunsho_Adegoke-20241124080900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="10:50,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727" data-mw-thread-id="h-10:50,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727-November_24-20241124105000"><span id="10:50.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-10:50,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727-November_24-20241124105000"></span>10:50, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Idk17272727<span data-mw-comment-end="h-10:50,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727-November_24-20241124105000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: 10:50, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Idk17272727"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Idk17272727&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Idk17272727 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Idk17272727-20241124105000-10:50,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727"></span>Idk17272727</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Idk17272727" title="User talk:Idk17272727">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Idk17272727" title="Special:Contributions/Idk17272727">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Idk17272727&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=10%3A50%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Idk17272727">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:The_Origin_of_Christmas" title="Draft:The Origin of Christmas">Draft:The Origin of Christmas</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Origin_of_Christmas&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:The_Origin_of_Christmas" title="Draft talk:The Origin of Christmas">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Origin_of_Christmas&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:The_Origin_of_Christmas">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Origin_of_Christmas&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AThe+Origin+of+Christmas">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Ariticle draft rejected my draft for an article was rejected for copyright i believe but i wanna know 100% why i dont think i did anything wrong. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Idk17272727&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Idk17272727 (page does not exist)">Idk17272727</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Idk17272727" title="User talk:Idk17272727">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Idk17272727-20241124105000-10:50,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Idk17272727-20241124105000-10:50,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Idk17272727-20241124105000-10:50,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Idk17272727"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Idk17272727&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Idk17272727 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241124105800-Idk17272727-20241124105000"></span>Idk17272727</a> I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft as intended. You were given a clear reason for the rejection at the top of your draft. We also already have an article about <a href="/wiki/Christmas" title="Christmas">Christmas</a> which details its history. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241124105800-Idk17272727-20241124105000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241124105800-Idk17272727-20241124105000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241124105800-Idk17272727-20241124105000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="13:18,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs" data-mw-thread-id="h-13:18,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs-November_24-20241124131800"><span id="13:18.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-13:18,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs-November_24-20241124131800"></span>13:18, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Sebdocs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-13:18,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs-November_24-20241124131800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: 13:18, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Sebdocs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Sebdocs" title="User:Sebdocs"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sebdocs-20241124131800-13:18,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs"></span>Sebdocs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sebdocs" title="User talk:Sebdocs">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sebdocs" title="Special:Contributions/Sebdocs">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sebdocs&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=13%3A18%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Sebdocs">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Seb_Doherty&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Seb Doherty (page does not exist)">Draft:Seb Doherty</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Seb_Doherty&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Seb_Doherty&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Seb Doherty (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Seb_Doherty&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Seb_Doherty">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Seb_Doherty&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASeb+Doherty">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>What is the reason behind this? <a href="/wiki/User:Sebdocs" title="User:Sebdocs">Sebdocs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sebdocs" title="User talk:Sebdocs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sebdocs-20241124131800-13:18,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sebdocs-20241124131800-13:18,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sebdocs-20241124131800-13:18,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sebdocs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hammersoft-20241124132200-Sebdocs-20241124131800"></span>Wikipedia is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTSOCIAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTSOCIAL">not a social media platform</a>. This isn't the place for you to be posting a profile of yourself. I placed a warning on your user talk page regarding the creation of autobiographies. Even if it is not an autobiography, you failed to provide any references of any kind to support the notability of "Seb Doherty". Wikipedia does not accept unreferenced drafts. If you can find <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SECONDARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SECONDARY">secondary sources</a> that are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IS">independent of the subject</a>, then include them and there might be a chance of the draft being accepted. Otherwise, no. --<a href="/wiki/User:Hammersoft" title="User:Hammersoft">Hammersoft</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hammersoft" title="User talk:Hammersoft">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Hammersoft-20241124132200-Sebdocs-20241124131800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hammersoft-20241124132200-Sebdocs-20241124131800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hammersoft-20241124132200-Sebdocs-20241124131800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="14:29,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter" data-mw-thread-id="h-14:29,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter-November_24-20241124142900"><span id="14:29.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-14:29,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter-November_24-20241124142900"></span>14:29, 24 November 2024 review of submission by HKFighter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-14:29,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter-November_24-20241124142900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: 14:29, 24 November 2024 review of submission by HKFighter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HKFighter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HKFighter (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HKFighter-20241124142900-14:29,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter"></span>HKFighter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HKFighter" title="User talk:HKFighter">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HKFighter" title="Special:Contributions/HKFighter">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HKFighter&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=14%3A29%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+HKFighter">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Renofa_Yamaguchi_FC_Ladies" title="Draft:Renofa Yamaguchi FC Ladies">Draft:Renofa Yamaguchi FC Ladies</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Renofa_Yamaguchi_FC_Ladies&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Renofa_Yamaguchi_FC_Ladies" title="Draft talk:Renofa Yamaguchi FC Ladies">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Renofa_Yamaguchi_FC_Ladies&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Renofa_Yamaguchi_FC_Ladies">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Renofa_Yamaguchi_FC_Ladies&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ARenofa+Yamaguchi+FC+Ladies">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hi, I wish to resubmit this draft but cannot find the submission button. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HKFighter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HKFighter (page does not exist)">HKFighter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HKFighter" title="User talk:HKFighter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-HKFighter-20241124142900-14:29,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HKFighter-20241124142900-14:29,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HKFighter-20241124142900-14:29,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HKFighter"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241124143900-HKFighter-20241124142900"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HKFighter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HKFighter (page does not exist)">HKFighter</a>, that's odd. I've submitted it for review for you. @<a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> any idea what happened to the re-submission button? <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241124143900-HKFighter-20241124142900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241124143900-HKFighter-20241124142900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241124143900-HKFighter-20241124142900"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bonadea-20241124160000-Qcne-20241124143900"></span>It looks like HKFighter accidentally replaced the Articles for Creation decline templates with the notices from their user talk page. I restored the previous declines – goodness knows the template code is not easy to read if you don't know what it is supposed to look like, and my guess is that HKFighter thought it was the same notice without realising that the talk page version actully looks rather different. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">bonadea</a></i> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bonadea" title="Special:Contributions/Bonadea">contributions</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bonadea" title="User talk:Bonadea">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Bonadea-20241124160000-Qcne-20241124143900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bonadea-20241124160000-Qcne-20241124143900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bonadea-20241124160000-Qcne-20241124143900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="15:35,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612" data-mw-thread-id="h-15:35,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612-November_24-20241124153500"><span id="15:35.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-15:35,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612-November_24-20241124153500"></span>15:35, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Arota1612<span data-mw-comment-end="h-15:35,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612-November_24-20241124153500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: 15:35, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Arota1612"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arota1612&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arota1612 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arota1612-20241124153500-15:35,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612"></span>Arota1612</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arota1612" title="User talk:Arota1612">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arota1612" title="Special:Contributions/Arota1612">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arota1612&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=15%3A35%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Arota1612">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Steve_Lyon_(music_producer)" title="Draft:Steve Lyon (music producer)">Draft:Steve Lyon (music producer)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Steve_Lyon_(music_producer)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Steve_Lyon_(music_producer)" title="Draft talk:Steve Lyon (music producer)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Steve_Lyon_(music_producer)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Steve_Lyon_(music_producer)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Steve_Lyon_(music_producer)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASteve+Lyon+%28music+producer%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hello </p><p>My article has been refused for not reliable sources but there are books and official media. Can you help me by telling which sources are a problem for you and those who are not so I can finish a good article? I checked other music producer pages and there are very similar Thank you for your kind help Regards <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arota1612&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arota1612 (page does not exist)">Arota1612</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arota1612" title="User talk:Arota1612">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Arota1612-20241124153500-15:35,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arota1612-20241124153500-15:35,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arota1612-20241124153500-15:35,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Arota1612"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241125005300-Arota1612-20241124153500"></span>Hello, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arota1612&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arota1612 (page does not exist)">Arota1612</a>. The quality of your references is vastly more important than their quantity. Three or four excellent references are far better than dozens of mediocre sources. Most of your references seem to be passing mentions, interviews or event listings. Your draft also has problems with language violating the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">Neutral point of view</a> policy. One example is <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">An eclectic music-lover from an early age, Lyon found his vocation to music production by flipping over the album covers he loved</q>, followed by unnecessary name dropping. As for articles about other music producers, please name them. Perhaps some of those articles need to be deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Cullen328-20241125005300-Arota1612-20241124153500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241125005300-Arota1612-20241124153500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241125005300-Arota1612-20241124153500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arota1612-20241125101000-Cullen328-20241125005300"></span>Thank you very much. Made the modifications accordingly. Hope it is good now. Best <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arota1612&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arota1612 (page does not exist)">Arota1612</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arota1612" title="User talk:Arota1612">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Arota1612-20241125101000-Cullen328-20241125005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arota1612-20241125101000-Cullen328-20241125005300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arota1612-20241125101000-Cullen328-20241125005300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241125101300-Arota1612-20241125101000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arota1612&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arota1612 (page does not exist)">Arota1612</a> It's mandatory that biographic articles have in-line citations for every fact, starting with the date of birth. I notice the top half of the draft has no citations whatsoever: readers therefore cannot verify the information is true. I've declined it for now on that basis: please do re-submit once you've either got citations or removed the uncited paragraphs. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241125101300-Arota1612-20241125101000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241125101300-Arota1612-20241125101000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241125101300-Arota1612-20241125101000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="15:49,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red" data-mw-thread-id="h-15:49,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red-November_24-20241124154900"><span id="15:49.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-15:49,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red-November_24-20241124154900"></span>15:49, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Jag612red<span data-mw-comment-end="h-15:49,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red-November_24-20241124154900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: 15:49, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Jag612red"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jag612red-20241124154900-15:49,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"></span>Jag612red</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jag612red" title="User talk:Jag612red">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jag612red" title="Special:Contributions/Jag612red">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jag612red&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=15%3A49%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Jag612red">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Qubein_Center" title="Draft:Qubein Center">Draft:Qubein Center</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Qubein_Center&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Qubein_Center" title="Draft talk:Qubein Center">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Qubein_Center&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Qubein_Center">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Qubein_Center&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AQubein+Center">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I want to know which sources are primary sources so I can change them. I know not all of them are primary. I can easily fix it so my article can get published. Some of them are secondary so I am confused about which is which. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/Draft:Qubein_Center" title="Draft:Qubein Center">Draft:Qubein Center</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red">Jag612red</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jag612red" title="User talk:Jag612red">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jag612red-20241124154900-15:49,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jag612red-20241124154900-15:49,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jag612red-20241124154900-15:49,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Jag612red"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241124215000-Jag612red-20241124154900"></span>The only one which even <i>might</i> be secondary is no 9, which won't display in my region. Almost all of them are published by the university or the architects, and so are not independent. 13 might be independent, but from what I saw before it threw up the paywall, it looked as if it was regurgitating a Press release, and so is also not independent. And Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and should almost never be cited.</dd> <dd>Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a>. <small>If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.</small> <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241124215000-Jag612red-20241124154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241124215000-Jag612red-20241124154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241124215000-Jag612red-20241124154900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jag612red-20241125030800-ColinFine-20241124215000"></span>Am I allowed to use at least one primary source or do they all secondary sources and will this mean I will have to redo my wiki page. <a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red">Jag612red</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jag612red" title="User talk:Jag612red">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jag612red-20241125030800-ColinFine-20241124215000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jag612red-20241125030800-ColinFine-20241124215000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jag612red-20241125030800-ColinFine-20241124215000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241125111100-Jag612red-20241125030800"></span>Hello. The purpose of a citation is to allow a user to verify some information about the subject in the article: nothing else. As long as most of the information comes from secondary sources, a small amount of uncontroversial factual information may be cited to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Primary_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Primary sources">primary sources</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241125111100-Jag612red-20241125030800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241125111100-Jag612red-20241125030800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241125111100-Jag612red-20241125030800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jag612red-20241125031700-ColinFine-20241124215000"></span>Also can I shorten the article because I've seen other articles related to my topic with little to no references and still get it published and I'd also like to know if the city newspaper is primary or secondary because 9 and 13 are news articles with sources in them but one is somehow secondary and the other isn't. Im new to Wikipedia and I just want to clear it up because the <a href="/wiki/Millis_Athletic_Convocation_Center" title="Millis Athletic Convocation Center">Millis Athletic Convocation Center</a> uses primary sources as well and I just want my article to be published <a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red">Jag612red</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jag612red" title="User talk:Jag612red">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jag612red-20241125031700-ColinFine-20241124215000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jag612red-20241125031700-ColinFine-20241124215000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jag612red-20241125031700-ColinFine-20241124215000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jag612red" title="User:Jag612red"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241125052000-Jag612red-20241125031700"></span>Jag612red</a>, please list here the <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">other articles related to my topic with little to no references and still get it published</q>. Maybe some or all of those articles need to be improved or deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Cullen328-20241125052000-Jag612red-20241125031700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241125052000-Jag612red-20241125031700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241125052000-Jag612red-20241125031700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241125111500-Jag612red-20241125031700"></span>"The city newspaper" is not primary or secondary: it depends on what it publishes. If it publishes an article which is clearly a regurgitation of a press release, that is primary. If it publishes an interview with the subject, with little commentary, that is primary. If it publishes an article by a named journalist, who is clearly not simply repeating what the subject says, but has done their own investigation and written a commentary, it is secondary. And there can be many intermediate possibilities. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241125111500-Jag612red-20241125031700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241125111500-Jag612red-20241125031700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241125111500-Jag612red-20241125031700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="16:08,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman" data-mw-thread-id="h-16:08,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman-November_24-20241124160800"><span id="16:08.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16:08,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman-November_24-20241124160800"></span>16:08, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Unknownkidman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-16:08,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman-November_24-20241124160800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: 16:08, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Unknownkidman"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Unknownkidman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Unknownkidman (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unknownkidman-20241124160800-16:08,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman"></span>Unknownkidman</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unknownkidman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Unknownkidman (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Unknownkidman" title="Special:Contributions/Unknownkidman">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unknownkidman&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=16%3A08%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Unknownkidman">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:YoungKar%26finesses" title="Draft:YoungKar&finesses">Draft:YoungKar&finesses</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:YoungKar%26finesses&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:YoungKar%26finesses" title="Draft talk:YoungKar&finesses">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:YoungKar%26finesses&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:YoungKar%26finesses">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:YoungKar%26finesses&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AYoungKar%26%2338%3Bfinesses">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I think that theses YouTubers need more clout on there name give them a chance <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Unknownkidman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Unknownkidman (page does not exist)">Unknownkidman</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unknownkidman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Unknownkidman (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Unknownkidman-20241124160800-16:08,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unknownkidman-20241124160800-16:08,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unknownkidman-20241124160800-16:08,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Unknownkidman"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241124163400-Unknownkidman-20241124160800"></span>We have no interest in giving people clout; we summarize what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> say about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIO">people that meet our criteria</a>. "YouTubers" are not inherently notable. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241124163400-Unknownkidman-20241124160800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241124163400-Unknownkidman-20241124160800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241124163400-Unknownkidman-20241124160800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Unknownkidman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Unknownkidman (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241125003700-331dot-20241124163400"></span>Unknownkidman</a>, your style of writing is completely inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS">Manual of Style</a> says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Editors should write articles using straightforward, succinct, easily understood language</q>. I can barely understand what you have written. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Cullen328-20241125003700-331dot-20241124163400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241125003700-331dot-20241124163400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241125003700-331dot-20241124163400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="18:02,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212" data-mw-thread-id="h-18:02,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212-November_24-20241124180200"><span id="18:02.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-18:02,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212-November_24-20241124180200"></span>18:02, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Mahreen1212<span data-mw-comment-end="h-18:02,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212-November_24-20241124180200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: 18:02, 24 November 2024 review of submission by Mahreen1212"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mahreen1212&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mahreen1212 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mahreen1212-20241124180200-18:02,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212"></span>Mahreen1212</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahreen1212" title="User talk:Mahreen1212">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mahreen1212" title="Special:Contributions/Mahreen1212">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mahreen1212&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=18%3A02%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Mahreen1212">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Edgbaston_College" title="Draft:Edgbaston College">Draft:Edgbaston College</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Edgbaston_College&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Edgbaston_College" title="Draft talk:Edgbaston College">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Edgbaston_College&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Edgbaston_College">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Edgbaston_College&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AEdgbaston+College">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hi - Why was the updated submission rejected on the following basis " not adequately supported by reliable sources". Every source was independent and government/informative. Does it need to be longer? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mahreen1212&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mahreen1212 (page does not exist)">Mahreen1212</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahreen1212" title="User talk:Mahreen1212">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Mahreen1212-20241124180200-18:02,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mahreen1212-20241124180200-18:02,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mahreen1212-20241124180200-18:02,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Mahreen1212"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241124181400-Mahreen1212-20241124180200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mahreen1212&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mahreen1212 (page does not exist)">Mahreen1212</a>:</span> Government sources are considered <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">primary sources</a>; we're looking for secondary sources (newspapers, scholarly books, etc.). —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241124181400-Mahreen1212-20241124180200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241124181400-Mahreen1212-20241124180200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241124181400-Mahreen1212-20241124180200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="21:16,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE" data-mw-thread-id="h-21:16,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE-November_24-20241124211600"><span id="21:16.2C_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-21:16,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE-November_24-20241124211600"></span>21:16, 24 November 2024 review of submission by GenesisGSE<span data-mw-comment-end="h-21:16,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE-November_24-20241124211600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: 21:16, 24 November 2024 review of submission by GenesisGSE"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:GenesisGSE" title="User:GenesisGSE"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GenesisGSE-20241124211600-21:16,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE"></span>GenesisGSE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GenesisGSE" title="User talk:GenesisGSE">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/GenesisGSE" title="Special:Contributions/GenesisGSE">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GenesisGSE&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=21%3A16%2C+24+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+GenesisGSE">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:BADVOID" title="Draft:BADVOID">Draft:BADVOID</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:BADVOID&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:BADVOID" title="Draft talk:BADVOID">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:BADVOID&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:BADVOID">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:BADVOID&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ABADVOID">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Help clean up and write this draft <a href="/wiki/User:GenesisGSE" title="User:GenesisGSE">GenesisGSE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GenesisGSE" title="User talk:GenesisGSE">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-GenesisGSE-20241124211600-21:16,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GenesisGSE-20241124211600-21:16,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GenesisGSE-20241124211600-21:16,_24_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_GenesisGSE"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241124212200-GenesisGSE-20241124211600"></span>We're not here to be co-editors. The draft has been rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. It's the end of the line. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241124212200-GenesisGSE-20241124211600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241124212200-GenesisGSE-20241124211600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241124212200-GenesisGSE-20241124211600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_25" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_25-20241125023500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_25-20241125023500"></span>November 25<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_25-20241125023500"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: November 25"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="02:35,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned" data-mw-thread-id="h-02:35,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned-November_25-20241125023500"><span id="02:35.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-02:35,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned-November_25-20241125023500"></span>02:35, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Warmtoned<span data-mw-comment-end="h-02:35,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned-November_25-20241125023500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: 02:35, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Warmtoned"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Warmtoned" title="User:Warmtoned"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Warmtoned-20241125023500-02:35,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned"></span>Warmtoned</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Warmtoned" title="User talk:Warmtoned">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Warmtoned" title="Special:Contributions/Warmtoned">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Warmtoned&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=02%3A35%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Warmtoned">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Sophia_Laforteza" title="Draft:Sophia Laforteza">Draft:Sophia Laforteza</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sophia_Laforteza&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Sophia_Laforteza" title="Draft talk:Sophia Laforteza">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sophia_Laforteza&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Sophia_Laforteza">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sophia_Laforteza&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASophia+Laforteza">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hello! I'm working on a draft for <a href="/wiki/Draft:Sophia_Laforteza" title="Draft:Sophia Laforteza">Sophia Laforteza of Katseye</a>, in other words, a member of a band/musical group. As per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BANDMEMBER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BANDMEMBER">WP:BANDMEMBER</a>, the individual needs certain independant notability. I'm requesting general information and clarity as to what independant notability exactly means, and how this guideline could be met. This would greatly help the submission of the draft and getting into mainspace, as well as knowing how exactly notable the subject is in regards to getting it accepted on Wikipedia. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Warmtoned" title="User:Warmtoned">Warmtoned</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Warmtoned" title="User talk:Warmtoned">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Warmtoned-20241125023500-02:35,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Warmtoned-20241125023500-02:35,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Warmtoned-20241125023500-02:35,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Warmtoned"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Warmtoned-20241125024000-Warmtoned-20241125023500"></span>I had just realized this may not be the right help desk to ask this question, please let me know if that is the case and where I could be redirected! <a href="/wiki/User:Warmtoned" title="User:Warmtoned">Warmtoned</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Warmtoned" title="User talk:Warmtoned">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Warmtoned-20241125024000-Warmtoned-20241125023500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Warmtoned-20241125024000-Warmtoned-20241125023500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Warmtoned-20241125024000-Warmtoned-20241125023500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Warmtoned" title="User:Warmtoned"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241125052700-Warmtoned-20241125024000"></span>Warmtoned</a>, please be patient and wait until your draft has been reviewed before asking for assistance at this help desk. The review is the next step. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Cullen328-20241125052700-Warmtoned-20241125024000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241125052700-Warmtoned-20241125024000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241125052700-Warmtoned-20241125024000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Warmtoned-20241125133900-Cullen328-20241125052700"></span>Thank you! I had figured this help desk wasn’t the right placement to ask a question about notability as per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BANDMEMBER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BANDMEMBER">WP:BANDMEMBER</a>, so I appreciate the clarity. <span style="background-color: #FF7F50; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Warmtoned" title="User:Warmtoned"><span style="color: GhostWhite">Warmtoned 🕯</span></a></b> <small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Warmtoned" title="User talk:Warmtoned"><span style="color: black">talk!</span></a></i></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Warmtoned-20241125133900-Cullen328-20241125052700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Warmtoned-20241125133900-Cullen328-20241125052700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: 03:48, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Ms 2024 baiiiii"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ms_2024_baiiiii&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ms 2024 baiiiii (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125034800-03:48,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ms_2024_baiiiii"></span>Ms 2024 baiiiii</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ms_2024_baiiiii" title="User talk:Ms 2024 baiiiii">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ms_2024_baiiiii" title="Special:Contributions/Ms 2024 baiiiii">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ms_2024_baiiiii&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=03%3A48%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Ms+2024+baiiiii">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Beatbot" title="Draft:Beatbot">Draft:Beatbot</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Beatbot&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Beatbot&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Beatbot (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Beatbot&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Beatbot">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Beatbot&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ABeatbot">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Beatbot is a top brand in robotic pool cleaner industry, how can a brand be list in wikipedia, thanks <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ms_2024_baiiiii&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ms 2024 baiiiii (page does not exist)">Ms 2024 baiiiii</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ms_2024_baiiiii" title="User talk:Ms 2024 baiiiii">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125034800-03:48,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ms_2024_baiiiii" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125034800-03:48,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ms_2024_baiiiii"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125034800-03:48,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ms_2024_baiiiii"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241125042400-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125034800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ms_2024_baiiiii&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ms 2024 baiiiii (page does not exist)">Ms 2024 baiiiii</a> Wikipedia isn't a brand listing, neither is it a place for promotion. You need to demonstrate that the company is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NORG">notable</a> by providing multiple <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IS">independent</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CanonNi-20241125042400-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125034800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241125042400-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125034800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241125042400-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125034800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ms_2024_baiiiii&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ms 2024 baiiiii (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241125053300-CanonNi-20241125042400"></span>Ms 2024 baiiiii</a>, your one sentence draft utterly fails to make the case that this product is notable. Compare it to an article about a somewhat similar household robot <a href="/wiki/Roomba" title="Roomba">Roomba</a>, which is vastly more detailed and has 168 references. Your references, except for one, are terrible. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Cullen328-20241125053300-CanonNi-20241125042400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241125053300-CanonNi-20241125042400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241125053300-CanonNi-20241125042400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125081500-Cullen328-20241125053300"></span>yes, thanks <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ms_2024_baiiiii&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ms 2024 baiiiii (page does not exist)">Ms 2024 baiiiii</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ms_2024_baiiiii" title="User talk:Ms 2024 baiiiii">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125081500-Cullen328-20241125053300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125081500-Cullen328-20241125053300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ms_2024_baiiiii-20241125081500-Cullen328-20241125053300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4" title="Special:Contributions/2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=05%3A11%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+2400%3AAC40%3A61C%3A3C89%3AA194%3A3975%3A78D3%3A3FA4">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Jespipat_Tilapornputt" title="Draft:Jespipat Tilapornputt">Draft:Jespipat Tilapornputt</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jespipat_Tilapornputt&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Jespipat_Tilapornputt" title="Draft talk:Jespipat Tilapornputt">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jespipat_Tilapornputt&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Jespipat_Tilapornputt">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jespipat_Tilapornputt&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AJespipat+Tilapornputt">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Why? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4" title="Special:Contributions/2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4">2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-20241125051100-05:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-20241125051100-05:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-20241125051100-05:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241125051500-2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-20241125051100"></span>Well, right now you don't have references, which is a problem. But I don't know why it was rejected. @<a href="/wiki/User:SafariScribe" title="User:SafariScribe">SafariScribe</a>? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Asilvering-20241125051500-2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-20241125051100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241125051500-2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-20241125051100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241125051500-2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-20241125051100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SafariScribe-20241125073000-2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-20241125051100"></span>I'm sorry, that was a wrong click of reject instead of decline. Cheers! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:SafariScribe" title="User:SafariScribe">Safari Scribe</a></span><sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SafariScribe" title="Special:Contributions/SafariScribe"><i><b>Edits!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SafariScribe" title="User talk:SafariScribe"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-SafariScribe-20241125073000-2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-20241125051100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SafariScribe-20241125073000-2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-20241125051100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SafariScribe-20241125073000-2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4-20241125051100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="10:49,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola" data-mw-thread-id="h-10:49,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola-November_25-20241125104900"><span id="10:49.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-10:49,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola-November_25-20241125104900"></span>10:49, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Isaajibola<span data-mw-comment-end="h-10:49,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola-November_25-20241125104900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: 10:49, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Isaajibola"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isaajibola&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isaajibola (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isaajibola-20241125104900-10:49,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola"></span>Isaajibola</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isaajibola" title="User talk:Isaajibola">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Isaajibola" title="Special:Contributions/Isaajibola">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Isaajibola&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=10%3A49%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Isaajibola">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Zubaida_Umar" title="Draft:Zubaida Umar">Draft:Zubaida Umar</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Zubaida_Umar&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Zubaida_Umar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Zubaida Umar (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Zubaida_Umar&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Zubaida_Umar">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Zubaida_Umar&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AZubaida+Umar">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Dear Team, </p><p>I am currently working on an article titled Zubaida Umar. Unfortunately, I made an error by redrafting another article with the same content, which was subsequently published. This has resulted in a conflict between the two articles, preventing the first article from being considered for submission, and the submission was ultimately declined. </p><p>I have been trying to delete the second draft but have been unsuccessful. As a temporary measure, I recently edited the second draft and deleted all its content before publishing it. </p><p>I would like to confirm if this approach is the correct way to resolve the issue so that I do not have conflicting articles requiring merging. My goal is to resubmit the first article on Zubaida Umar for consideration. </p><p>Thank you for your assistance. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isaajibola&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isaajibola (page does not exist)">Isaajibola</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isaajibola" title="User talk:Isaajibola">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Isaajibola-20241125104900-10:49,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isaajibola-20241125104900-10:49,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isaajibola-20241125104900-10:49,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Isaajibola"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241125113200-Isaajibola-20241125104900"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span> resolved, after user came to the IRC live chat for help. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241125113200-Isaajibola-20241125104900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241125113200-Isaajibola-20241125104900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241125113200-Isaajibola-20241125104900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="11:59,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi" data-mw-thread-id="h-11:59,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi-November_25-20241125115900"><span id="11:59.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-11:59,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi-November_25-20241125115900"></span>11:59, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Nabil Madi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-11:59,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi-November_25-20241125115900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: 11:59, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Nabil Madi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nabil_Madi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nabil Madi (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900-11:59,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi"></span>Nabil Madi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nabil_Madi" title="User talk:Nabil Madi">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nabil_Madi" title="Special:Contributions/Nabil Madi">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nabil_Madi&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=11%3A59%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Nabil+Madi">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:Nabil_Madi/sandbox" title="User:Nabil Madi/sandbox">User:Nabil Madi/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nabil_Madi/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nabil_Madi/sandbox" title="User talk:Nabil Madi/sandbox">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nabil_Madi/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Nabil_Madi/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nabil_Madi/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ANabil+Madi%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Publishing the article on Wikipedia <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nabil_Madi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nabil Madi (page does not exist)">Nabil Madi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nabil_Madi" title="User talk:Nabil Madi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900-11:59,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900-11:59,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900-11:59,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Nabil_Madi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241125120500-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nabil_Madi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nabil Madi (page does not exist)">Nabil Madi</a> Not as presented, no. <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_declined.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="no" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Symbol_declined.svg/18px-Symbol_declined.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Symbol_declined.svg/27px-Symbol_declined.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Symbol_declined.svg/36px-Symbol_declined.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span><b> Declined</b> 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Timtrent-20241125120500-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241125120500-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241125120500-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241125120600-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900"></span>You have resubmitted it for review. It is unlikely to be accepted, as it is poorly sourced and many parts are unsourced. Wikipedia articles cannot be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIRCULAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIRCULAR">used as a source for other Wikipedia articles</a>. You seem to be writing about yourself, this is highly discouraged, see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTO">autobiography policy</a>. Also, the image of yourself seems to be professionally taken, but you claim it as your own personal work and claim you own the copyright. Please clarify. Typically the photographer owns the copyright. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241125120600-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241125120600-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241125120600-Nabil_Madi-20241125115900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="12:09,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92" data-mw-thread-id="h-12:09,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92-November_25-20241125120900"><span id="12:09.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-12:09,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92-November_25-20241125120900"></span>12:09, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Sillygoose92<span data-mw-comment-end="h-12:09,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92-November_25-20241125120900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: 12:09, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Sillygoose92"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sillygoose92&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sillygoose92 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sillygoose92-20241125120900-12:09,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92"></span>Sillygoose92</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sillygoose92" title="User talk:Sillygoose92">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sillygoose92" title="Special:Contributions/Sillygoose92">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sillygoose92&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=12%3A09%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Sillygoose92">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sillygoose92/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sillygoose92/sandbox (page does not exist)">User:Sillygoose92/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sillygoose92/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sillygoose92/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Sillygoose92/sandbox (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sillygoose92/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Sillygoose92/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sillygoose92/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ASillygoose92%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>how do I make this an article titled Draft: Daniel J. Ballard ? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sillygoose92&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sillygoose92 (page does not exist)">Sillygoose92</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sillygoose92" title="User talk:Sillygoose92">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sillygoose92-20241125120900-12:09,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sillygoose92-20241125120900-12:09,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sillygoose92-20241125120900-12:09,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sillygoose92"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241125121200-Sillygoose92-20241125120900"></span>The specific title of a draft is not particularly relevant. If the draft is accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title. You can create drafts via the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIZARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIZARD">Article Wizard</a> which will start them at a better title than the name of your sandbox, for future reference. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241125121200-Sillygoose92-20241125120900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241125121200-Sillygoose92-20241125120900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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Hobodubo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Hobodubo" title="User:Hobodubo"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hobodubo-20241125134400-13:44,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Hobodubo"></span>Hobodubo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hobodubo" title="User talk:Hobodubo">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hobodubo" title="Special:Contributions/Hobodubo">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hobodubo&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=13%3A44%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Hobodubo">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Mr_Yuvy" title="Draft:Mr Yuvy">Draft:Mr Yuvy</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Mr_Yuvy&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Mr_Yuvy" title="Draft talk:Mr Yuvy">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Mr_Yuvy&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Mr_Yuvy">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Mr_Yuvy&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AMr+Yuvy">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I’m new here I need assistance <a href="/wiki/User:Hobodubo" title="User:Hobodubo">Hobodubo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hobodubo" title="User talk:Hobodubo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Hobodubo-20241125134400-13:44,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Hobodubo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hobodubo-20241125134400-13:44,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Hobodubo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hobodubo-20241125134400-13:44,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Hobodubo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241125134800-Hobodubo-20241125134400"></span>I see no indication that the person you have wrote about meets our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTABILITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTABILITY">WP:NOTABILITY</a> criteria, @<a href="/wiki/User:Hobodubo" title="User:Hobodubo">Hobodubo</a> <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241125134800-Hobodubo-20241125134400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241125134800-Hobodubo-20241125134400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241125134800-Hobodubo-20241125134400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="13:56,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69" data-mw-thread-id="h-13:56,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69-November_25-20241125135600"><span id="13:56.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-13:56,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69-November_25-20241125135600"></span>13:56, 25 November 2024 review of submission by OgTheig69<span data-mw-comment-end="h-13:56,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69-November_25-20241125135600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: 13:56, 25 November 2024 review of submission by OgTheig69"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:OgTheig69&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:OgTheig69 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OgTheig69-20241125135600-13:56,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69"></span>OgTheig69</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OgTheig69" title="User talk:OgTheig69">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/OgTheig69" title="Special:Contributions/OgTheig69">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:OgTheig69&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=13%3A56%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+OgTheig69">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:OgTheig69/sandbox" title="User:OgTheig69/sandbox">User:OgTheig69/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:OgTheig69/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:OgTheig69/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:OgTheig69/sandbox (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:OgTheig69/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:OgTheig69/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:OgTheig69/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AOgTheig69%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>why si this rejected? i dont understand. i have references. it has all the ingo on how this word started within the Twitch gaming community. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:OgTheig69&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:OgTheig69 (page does not exist)">OgTheig69</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OgTheig69" title="User talk:OgTheig69">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-OgTheig69-20241125135600-13:56,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OgTheig69-20241125135600-13:56,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OgTheig69-20241125135600-13:56,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_OgTheig69"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241125151300-OgTheig69-20241125135600"></span>We don't accept AI-generated drafts about dictionary definitions. Maybe go to Urban Dictionary. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241125151300-OgTheig69-20241125135600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241125151300-OgTheig69-20241125135600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241125151300-OgTheig69-20241125135600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="14:00,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian" data-mw-thread-id="h-14:00,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian-November_25-20241125140000"><span id="14:00.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-14:00,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian-November_25-20241125140000"></span>14:00, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Weasleyrian<span data-mw-comment-end="h-14:00,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian-November_25-20241125140000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: 14:00, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Weasleyrian"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weasleyrian-20241125140000-14:00,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian"></span>Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Weasleyrian" title="Special:Contributions/Weasleyrian">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Weasleyrian&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=14%3A00%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Weasleyrian">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:SmarterMail" title="Draft:SmarterMail">Draft:SmarterMail</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:SmarterMail&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:SmarterMail" title="Draft talk:SmarterMail">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:SmarterMail&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:SmarterMail">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:SmarterMail&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASmarterMail">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I am seeking guidance regarding my draft of SmarterMail, which was rejected on November 22 by @Bonadea. I believe the rejection may have been premature. I have been addressing the concerns raised and believe that the topic meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for inclusion. Could you advise on how I can appeal the rejection and continue improving the draft? Your guidance would be greatly appreciated. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Weasleyrian-20241125140000-14:00,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weasleyrian-20241125140000-14:00,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weasleyrian-20241125140000-14:00,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Weasleyrian"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241125140700-Weasleyrian-20241125140000"></span>The first step to appeal a rejection is to appeal to the rejecting reviewer directly, please use their user talk page. You can continue editing the draft regardless. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241125140700-Weasleyrian-20241125140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241125140700-Weasleyrian-20241125140000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241125140700-Weasleyrian-20241125140000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241125142400-331dot-20241125140700"></span>Before appealing to the reviewer make sure you have at least three high quality <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">sources</a> that discuss SmarterMail in-depth with significant coverage, otherwise you will be will wasting everyone's time. <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Theroadislong-20241125142400-331dot-20241125140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241125142400-331dot-20241125140700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241125142400-331dot-20241125140700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241125143800-Weasleyrian-20241125140000"></span>FYI to reviewers, there's lots of discussion on the user talk page. This is a difficult one where the user has been assigned this task by their professor. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241125143800-Weasleyrian-20241125140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241125143800-Weasleyrian-20241125140000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241125143800-Weasleyrian-20241125140000"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bonadea-20241125162500-Weasleyrian-20241125140000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a>:</span> It looks very clear from the draft history, the discussion on your user talk page, and the sources (including several that had been removed from the draft) that the software is not independently notable – and since the company creating the software isn't notable either, I don't see how there could be an article about it. I am very sorry that you were set an impossible assignment, but that doesn't change anything in terms of whether the software is notable or not.</dd> <dd>What do you mean when you said the rejection was premature? The draft had been declined six times by three different reviewers before I saw it, so I don't really understand the "premature" comment. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">bonadea</a></i> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bonadea" title="Special:Contributions/Bonadea">contributions</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bonadea" title="User talk:Bonadea">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Bonadea-20241125162500-Weasleyrian-20241125140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bonadea-20241125162500-Weasleyrian-20241125140000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bonadea-20241125162500-Weasleyrian-20241125140000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weasleyrian-20241125164600-Bonadea-20241125162500"></span>When I referred to the rejection as premature, I meant that I was still in the process of revising and rewriting the content at the time. The company and its software are notable, as their products have been widely recognized. Additionally, a search on Google reveals books and articles discussing the product and the company. I was in the process of reviewing these materials to ensure they met the criteria for reliable and independent sources. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Weasleyrian" title="User talk:Weasleyrian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Weasleyrian-20241125164600-Bonadea-20241125162500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weasleyrian-20241125164600-Bonadea-20241125162500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weasleyrian-20241125164600-Bonadea-20241125162500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241125171900-Weasleyrian-20241125164600"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Weasleyrian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Weasleyrian (page does not exist)">Weasleyrian</a>. You resubmitted at at 2024-11-21 21:02:36, and @<a href="/wiki/User:Bonadea" title="User:Bonadea">Bonadearejected</a> it eleven and a half hours later, at 2024-11-22 08:38:10. You're perfectly entitled to continue editing after submitting, as you did; but you had asked for a review, which Bonadea gave. Why did you resubmit if it was not ready for review?</dd> <dd>I am sorry that your professor appears to have set you an impossible task. Has your professor read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_program/Educators" title="Wikipedia:Education program/Educators">WP:Education program/Educators</a>?</dd> <dd>My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241125171900-Weasleyrian-20241125164600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241125171900-Weasleyrian-20241125164600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241125171900-Weasleyrian-20241125164600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="16:01,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf" data-mw-thread-id="h-16:01,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf-November_25-20241125160100"><span id="16:01.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16:01,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf-November_25-20241125160100"></span>16:01, 25 November 2024 review of submission by KellyWendorf<span data-mw-comment-end="h-16:01,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf-November_25-20241125160100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: 16:01, 25 November 2024 review of submission by KellyWendorf"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KellyWendorf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KellyWendorf (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KellyWendorf-20241125160100-16:01,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf"></span>KellyWendorf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KellyWendorf" title="User talk:KellyWendorf">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/KellyWendorf" title="Special:Contributions/KellyWendorf">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KellyWendorf&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=16%3A01%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+KellyWendorf">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:KellyWendorf/sandbox" title="User:KellyWendorf/sandbox">User:KellyWendorf/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:KellyWendorf/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:KellyWendorf/sandbox" title="User talk:KellyWendorf/sandbox">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:KellyWendorf/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:KellyWendorf/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:KellyWendorf/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AKellyWendorf%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Cannot publish page <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KellyWendorf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KellyWendorf (page does not exist)">KellyWendorf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KellyWendorf" title="User talk:KellyWendorf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-KellyWendorf-20241125160100-16:01,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KellyWendorf-20241125160100-16:01,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KellyWendorf-20241125160100-16:01,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_KellyWendorf"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125160400-KellyWendorf-20241125160100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KellyWendorf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KellyWendorf (page does not exist)">KellyWendorf</a>: that's because this draft has been rejected. Rejection means the end of the road.</dd> <dd>And in case you haven't been made aware of this yet, we very strongly discourage autobiographies; see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIO">WP:AUTOBIO</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241125160400-KellyWendorf-20241125160100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125160400-KellyWendorf-20241125160100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125160400-KellyWendorf-20241125160100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241125160400-KellyWendorf-20241125160100"></span>Indeed, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KellyWendorf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KellyWendorf (page does not exist)">KellyWendorf</a>. I have rejected it as you are not notable and do not merit an article on Wikipedia. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241125160400-KellyWendorf-20241125160100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241125160400-KellyWendorf-20241125160100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241125160400-KellyWendorf-20241125160100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KellyWendorf-20241125164200-Qcne-20241125160400"></span>Hi there,</dd> <dd>It seems you may need more notable sources to publish us. Here are links to articles that feature Kelly Wendorf:</dd> <dd>MSN Travel</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tripideas/santa-fe-new-mexico-travel-guide-a-soulful-journey-of-self-love-wellness-in-the-land-of-enchantment/ar-AA1ttYzE?cvid=8ab2f3dbf62b4caef3a509f729eb9358&ei=8#">https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tripideas/santa-fe-new-mexico-travel-guide-a-soulful-journey-of-self-love-wellness-in-the-land-of-enchantment/ar-AA1ttYzE?cvid=8ab2f3dbf62b4caef3a509f729eb9358&ei=8#</a></dd> <dd>The New York Times</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/19/style/equus-horses.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/19/style/equus-horses.html</a></dd> <dd>Vogue</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.vogue.com/article/how-equine-therapy-can-help-us-face-our-fears">https://www.vogue.com/article/how-equine-therapy-can-help-us-face-our-fears</a></dd> <dd>Kindred Magazine</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://kindredmedia.org/2021/03/finding-a-bridge-to-indigenous-wisdom-and-worldview-an-interview-with-kelly-wendorf/">https://kindredmedia.org/2021/03/finding-a-bridge-to-indigenous-wisdom-and-worldview-an-interview-with-kelly-wendorf/</a></dd> <dd>The Wall Street Journal</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/will-horse-therapy-make-you-a-better-at-your-job-1543962433">https://www.wsj.com/articles/will-horse-therapy-make-you-a-better-at-your-job-1543962433</a></dd> <dd>Forbes</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/christinaliao/2018/10/31/a-look-at-equus-an-equine-program-thatll-change-your-life/?sh=7f3fec244734">https://www.forbes.com/sites/christinaliao/2018/10/31/a-look-at-equus-an-equine-program-thatll-change-your-life/?sh=7f3fec244734</a></dd> <dd>Is this enough to prove that we should have a Wikipedia Page?</dd> <dd>Link to website as well press/podcast page</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.equusinspired.com/press">https://www.equusinspired.com/press</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KellyWendorf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KellyWendorf (page does not exist)">KellyWendorf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KellyWendorf" title="User talk:KellyWendorf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-KellyWendorf-20241125164200-Qcne-20241125160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KellyWendorf-20241125164200-Qcne-20241125160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KellyWendorf-20241125164200-Qcne-20241125160400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241125164600-KellyWendorf-20241125164200"></span>Sorry, nope @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KellyWendorf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KellyWendorf (page does not exist)">KellyWendorf</a>. None of those sources provide significant coverage or are independent. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241125164600-KellyWendorf-20241125164200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241125164600-KellyWendorf-20241125164200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241125164600-KellyWendorf-20241125164200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241125172300-KellyWendorf-20241125164200"></span>The thing that you're missing, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KellyWendorf&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KellyWendorf (page does not exist)">KellyWendorf</a>, is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a>. <small>If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.</small> Unless you can find several sources each meeting the triple criteria in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a>, there is literally nothing that can go into an article about you. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241125172300-KellyWendorf-20241125164200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241125172300-KellyWendorf-20241125164200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241125172300-KellyWendorf-20241125164200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="16:22,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728" data-mw-thread-id="h-16:22,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728-November_25-20241125162200"><span id="16:22.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16:22,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728-November_25-20241125162200"></span>16:22, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Chethu0728<span data-mw-comment-end="h-16:22,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728-November_25-20241125162200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: 16:22, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Chethu0728"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Chethu0728&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Chethu0728 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chethu0728-20241125162200-16:22,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728"></span>Chethu0728</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chethu0728" title="User talk:Chethu0728">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chethu0728" title="Special:Contributions/Chethu0728">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chethu0728&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=16%3A22%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Chethu0728">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:Chethu0728/sandbox" title="User:Chethu0728/sandbox">User:Chethu0728/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Chethu0728/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chethu0728/sandbox" title="User talk:Chethu0728/sandbox">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Chethu0728/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Chethu0728/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Chethu0728/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AChethu0728%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>The article written for a person is a doctor by profession. He has done excellant contribution to the society. He is a receipient of B.C. Roy Presidential award in 2018. Please let me know what changes to be done for the approval of the article in Wikipedia. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Chethu0728&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Chethu0728 (page does not exist)">Chethu0728</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chethu0728" title="User talk:Chethu0728">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Chethu0728-20241125162200-16:22,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chethu0728-20241125162200-16:22,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chethu0728-20241125162200-16:22,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Chethu0728"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241125163200-Chethu0728-20241125162200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Chethu0728&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Chethu0728 (page does not exist)">Chethu0728</a> Please see the criteria for inclusion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPERSON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPERSON">WP:NPERSON</a>. You will need to totally re-write this draft as currently it is just a resume. Wikipedia does not host resumes. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241125163200-Chethu0728-20241125162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241125163200-Chethu0728-20241125162200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241125163200-Chethu0728-20241125162200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="16:30,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies" data-mw-thread-id="h-16:30,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies-November_25-20241125163000"><span id="16:30.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16:30,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies-November_25-20241125163000"></span>16:30, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Sunflowerlilies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-16:30,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies-November_25-20241125163000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: 16:30, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Sunflowerlilies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Sunflowerlilies" title="User:Sunflowerlilies"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125163000-16:30,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies"></span>Sunflowerlilies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sunflowerlilies" title="User talk:Sunflowerlilies">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sunflowerlilies" title="Special:Contributions/Sunflowerlilies">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sunflowerlilies&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=16%3A30%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Sunflowerlilies">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Mohammad_Amin_Agha_Hamawand" title="Draft:Mohammad Amin Agha Hamawand">Draft:Mohammad Amin Agha Hamawand</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Mohammad_Amin_Agha_Hamawand&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Mohammad_Amin_Agha_Hamawand" title="Draft talk:Mohammad Amin Agha Hamawand">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Mohammad_Amin_Agha_Hamawand&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Mohammad_Amin_Agha_Hamawand">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Mohammad_Amin_Agha_Hamawand&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AMohammad+Amin+Agha+Hamawand">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hi there! Could you tell me what I need to work on? I'm not quite sure what you mean. <a href="/wiki/User:Sunflowerlilies" title="User:Sunflowerlilies">Sunflowerlilies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sunflowerlilies" title="User talk:Sunflowerlilies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125163000-16:30,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125163000-16:30,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125163000-16:30,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Sunflowerlilies"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241125163100-Sunflowerlilies-20241125163000"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Sunflowerlilies" title="User:Sunflowerlilies">Sunflowerlilies</a>, your draft has a <i>lot</i> of content and a single source. Is <i>all</i> the content from that one source? We would usually require at least three independent sources to prove that a person meets our definition of "notable". <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Qcne-20241125163100-Sunflowerlilies-20241125163000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241125163100-Sunflowerlilies-20241125163000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241125163100-Sunflowerlilies-20241125163000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164300-Qcne-20241125163100"></span>Yes, Everything is from a single source. <a href="/wiki/User:Sunflowerlilies" title="User:Sunflowerlilies">Sunflowerlilies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sunflowerlilies" title="User talk:Sunflowerlilies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164300-Qcne-20241125163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164300-Qcne-20241125163100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164300-Qcne-20241125163100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125164300-Qcne-20241125163100"></span>And it's not even clear what that 'source' is, or whether it indeed is a valid source. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241125164300-Qcne-20241125163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125164300-Qcne-20241125163100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125164300-Qcne-20241125163100"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://kurdcollect.com/index.php/%D9%85%D8%AD%DB%95%D9%85%DB%95%D8%AF_%D8%A6%DB%95%D9%85%DB%8C%D9%86_%D8%A6%D8%A7%D8%BA%D8%A7%DB%8C_%D9%87%DB%95%D9%85%DB%95%D9%88%DB%95%D9%86%D8%AF_%DB%8C%DB%95%D9%83%DB%95%D9%85_%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%85%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C_%D9%82%DB%95%D8%B2%D8%A7%DB%8C_%DA%86%DB%95%D9%85%DA%86%DB%95%D9%85%D8%A7%DA%B5"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164700-DoubleGrazing-20241125164300"></span>https://kurdcollect.com/index.php/%D9%85%D8%AD%DB%95%D9%85%DB%95%D8%AF_%D8%A6%DB%95%D9%85%DB%8C%D9%86_%D8%A6%D8%A7%D8%BA%D8%A7%DB%8C_%D9%87%DB%95%D9%85%DB%95%D9%88%DB%95%D9%86%D8%AF_%DB%8C%DB%95%D9%83%DB%95%D9%85_%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%85%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C_%D9%82%DB%95%D8%B2%D8%A7%DB%8C_%DA%86%DB%95%D9%85%DA%86%DB%95%D9%85%D8%A7%DA%B5</a></dd> <dd>Here is the single source. <a href="/wiki/User:Sunflowerlilies" title="User:Sunflowerlilies">Sunflowerlilies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sunflowerlilies" title="User talk:Sunflowerlilies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164700-DoubleGrazing-20241125164300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164700-DoubleGrazing-20241125164300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164700-DoubleGrazing-20241125164300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125170000-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sunflowerlilies" title="User:Sunflowerlilies">Sunflowerlilies</a>: okay, thank you. For future reference, if you have an online source, cite it; this makes it much easier for reviewers (and readers) to verify the source. And if you're citing an offline source, you need to provide sufficient bibliographical detail so that the source can be reliably identified; see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OFFLINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OFFLINE">WP:OFFLINE</a> for more on this. Finally, sources must be published, which <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">"Interviews and questions from the descendants of Muhammad Amin Agha Hamwand"</q> does not sound like. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241125170000-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125170000-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241125170000-Sunflowerlilies-20241125164700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="17:06,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99" data-mw-thread-id="h-17:06,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99-November_25-20241125170600"><span id="17:06.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-17:06,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99-November_25-20241125170600"></span>17:06, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Wikigeekgod99<span data-mw-comment-end="h-17:06,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99-November_25-20241125170600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: 17:06, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Wikigeekgod99"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wikigeekgod99&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wikigeekgod99 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikigeekgod99-20241125170600-17:06,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99"></span>Wikigeekgod99</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikigeekgod99" title="User talk:Wikigeekgod99">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wikigeekgod99" title="Special:Contributions/Wikigeekgod99">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wikigeekgod99&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=17%3A06%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Wikigeekgod99">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Maximina_Juson" title="Draft:Maximina Juson">Draft:Maximina Juson</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Maximina_Juson&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Maximina_Juson" title="Draft talk:Maximina Juson">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Maximina_Juson&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Maximina_Juson">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Maximina_Juson&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AMaximina+Juson">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>which items are problematic vs. unacceptable? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wikigeekgod99&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wikigeekgod99 (page does not exist)">Wikigeekgod99</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikigeekgod99" title="User talk:Wikigeekgod99">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Wikigeekgod99-20241125170600-17:06,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikigeekgod99-20241125170600-17:06,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikigeekgod99-20241125170600-17:06,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Wikigeekgod99"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126055400-Wikigeekgod99-20241125170600"></span>The first problem is that basically all of the useful sourcing is about the documentary; there's almost no content here that's about Juson, outside of a basic description of who she is. You may have the framework for an article about the documentary here, not Juson specifically.</dd> <dd>The other problem is that even if you're just writing about the documentary, there needs to be a <i>massive</i> paring down of the sources. Independent reviews of the documentary that are in large publications and aren't part of interviews are good. However, there's a lot of sources here that do nothing to help the article; Wikipedia can not be used as a source, nor are things like schedules that list a viewing time for the film. Flooding an article with anything that is a passing mention of the subject is completely counterproductive; it's a bit like washing the dishes by flooding your kitchen with a fire hose. <a href="/wiki/User:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User:CoffeeCrumbs">CoffeeCrumbs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User talk:CoffeeCrumbs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126055400-Wikigeekgod99-20241125170600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126055400-Wikigeekgod99-20241125170600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126055400-Wikigeekgod99-20241125170600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="18:20,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210" data-mw-thread-id="h-18:20,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210-November_25-20241125182000"><span id="18:20.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-18:20,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210-November_25-20241125182000"></span>18:20, 25 November 2024 review of submission by 216.11.33.210<span data-mw-comment-end="h-18:20,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210-November_25-20241125182000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: 18:20, 25 November 2024 review of submission by 216.11.33.210"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:216.11.33.210&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:216.11.33.210 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-216.11.33.210-20241125182000-18:20,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210"></span>216.11.33.210</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:216.11.33.210" title="User talk:216.11.33.210">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.11.33.210" title="Special:Contributions/216.11.33.210">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:216.11.33.210&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=18%3A20%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+216.11.33.210">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Amoudia_John&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Amoudia John (page does not exist)">Draft:Amoudia John</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Amoudia_John&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Amoudia_John&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Amoudia John (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Amoudia_John&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Amoudia_John">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Amoudia_John&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAmoudia+John">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>What can I do to get it approved? I am trying to publish this for a reason, not just for fun. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.11.33.210" title="Special:Contributions/216.11.33.210">216.11.33.210</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:216.11.33.210" title="User talk:216.11.33.210">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-216.11.33.210-20241125182000-18:20,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-216.11.33.210-20241125182000-18:20,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-216.11.33.210-20241125182000-18:20,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_216.11.33.210"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241125183000-216.11.33.210-20241125182000"></span>There is nothing you can do, it has been rejected. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241125183000-216.11.33.210-20241125182000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241125183000-216.11.33.210-20241125182000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241125183000-216.11.33.210-20241125182000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241126130300-216.11.33.210-20241125182000"></span>And if your reason is anything other than "to help Wikipedia reach its aim of summarising what <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">independent reliable sources</a> say about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a> subjects", then you have not understood what Wikipedia is. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241126130300-216.11.33.210-20241125182000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241126130300-216.11.33.210-20241125182000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241126130300-216.11.33.210-20241125182000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="20:57,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621" data-mw-thread-id="h-20:57,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621-November_25-20241125205700"><span id="20:57.2C_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-20:57,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621-November_25-20241125205700"></span>20:57, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Thisisnot1621<span data-mw-comment-end="h-20:57,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621-November_25-20241125205700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: 20:57, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Thisisnot1621"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thisisnot1621&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thisisnot1621 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thisisnot1621-20241125205700-20:57,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621"></span>Thisisnot1621</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thisisnot1621" title="User talk:Thisisnot1621">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thisisnot1621" title="Special:Contributions/Thisisnot1621">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thisisnot1621&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=20%3A57%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Thisisnot1621">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Hope_Central" title="Draft:Hope Central">Draft:Hope Central</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hope_Central&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Hope_Central&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Hope Central (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hope_Central&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Hope_Central">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hope_Central&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AHope+Central">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Not sure how I would make this not sound like advertisement. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thisisnot1621&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thisisnot1621 (page does not exist)">Thisisnot1621</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thisisnot1621" title="User talk:Thisisnot1621">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Thisisnot1621-20241125205700-20:57,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thisisnot1621-20241125205700-20:57,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thisisnot1621-20241125205700-20:57,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Thisisnot1621"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241125210000-Thisisnot1621-20241125205700"></span>It's academic, since it was rejected, but Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about an organization and its offerings or views. A Wikipedia article about an organization must summarize what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">a notable organization</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241125210000-Thisisnot1621-20241125205700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241125210000-Thisisnot1621-20241125205700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: 22:11, 25 November 2024 review of submission by JanaFerrume"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:JanaFerrume" title="User:JanaFerrume"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JanaFerrume-20241125221100-22:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_JanaFerrume"></span>JanaFerrume</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JanaFerrume" title="User talk:JanaFerrume">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JanaFerrume" title="Special:Contributions/JanaFerrume">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JanaFerrume&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=22%3A11%2C+25+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+JanaFerrume">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Cynthia_Pinot" title="Draft:Cynthia Pinot">Draft:Cynthia Pinot</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Cynthia_Pinot&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Cynthia_Pinot" title="Draft talk:Cynthia Pinot">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Cynthia_Pinot&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Cynthia_Pinot">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Cynthia_Pinot&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ACynthia+Pinot">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hi I have edited article and appreciate feedback, thank you <a href="/wiki/User:JanaFerrume" title="User:JanaFerrume">JanaFerrume</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JanaFerrume" title="User talk:JanaFerrume">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-JanaFerrume-20241125221100-22:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_JanaFerrume" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JanaFerrume-20241125221100-22:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_JanaFerrume"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JanaFerrume-20241125221100-22:11,_25_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_JanaFerrume"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126000500-JanaFerrume-20241125221100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:JanaFerrume" title="User:JanaFerrume">JanaFerrume</a>:</span> <b>This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further.</b> Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"): <ul><li>We can't use <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.1888pressrelease.com/cynthia-pinot-officially-jumps-on-board-working-with-up-and-pr-480562.html">https://www.1888pressrelease.com/cynthia-pinot-officially-jumps-on-board-working-with-up-and-pr-480562.html</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">connexion to subject</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPS">no editorial oversight</a>). We don't cite press releases, and we don't use as sources outlets that only ever publish those.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://opium.hamburg/storyboard/detail/die-fusion-von-kunst-und-ki.html">https://opium.hamburg/storyboard/detail/die-fusion-von-kunst-und-ki.html</a> is useless for notability (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">connexion to subject</a>). Interview.</li> <li>We can't use <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.myma.art/user/clgro2boc019vnk2yzx1tqf2b">https://www.myma.art/user/clgro2boc019vnk2yzx1tqf2b</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">too sparse</a>). Photo gallery.</li> <li>We can't use <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.tvguide.com/movies/rush-hour-2/cast/2030303383/">https://www.tvguide.com/movies/rush-hour-2/cast/2030303383/</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">too sparse</a>). Content-free film profile.</li> <li>I can't assess <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://film.moviesaz.org/video/266143-jornada-al-norte/">http://film.moviesaz.org/video/266143-jornada-al-norte/</a> (technical barrier). Firefox can't connect to it.</li> <li>We can't use <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.artweek.com/events/united-states/art-exhibition/scottsdale/shades-blue-2023-international-juried-art-awards">https://www.artweek.com/events/united-states/art-exhibition/scottsdale/shades-blue-2023-international-juried-art-awards</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">too sparse</a>). Little more than an awards listing for an award of unknown significance. Same applies for <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.artweek.com/events/united-states/art-exhibition/scottsdale/shades-red-2023-awards">https://www.artweek.com/events/united-states/art-exhibition/scottsdale/shades-red-2023-awards</a></li> <li>We can't use <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.saatchiart.com/quantummuse">https://www.saatchiart.com/quantummuse</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">too sparse</a>). Photo gallery.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/siksikai-powahsin-blackfoot-language">https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/siksikai-powahsin-blackfoot-language</a> is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSCONTEXT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSCONTEXT">non-sequitur</a>. A source about the <a href="/wiki/Blackfoot_language" title="Blackfoot language">Blackfoot language</a> is irrelevant to an article about an artist.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.galtmuseum.com/blackfoot-1/conversational-blackfoot?rq=blackfoot">https://www.galtmuseum.com/blackfoot-1/conversational-blackfoot?rq=blackfoot</a> is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSCONTEXT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSCONTEXT">non-sequitur</a>.</li> <li>We don't cite Instagram, Facebook, Bluesky, Xitter, or any other social media website (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPS">no editorial oversight</a>). The only exception is to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF">verify claims a subject made <i>after notability has been established by other means</i></a>.</li> <li>We can't use <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://opium.hamburg/epaper.html">https://opium.hamburg/epaper.html</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">website</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSCONTEXT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSCONTEXT">homepage</a>). You need to link to a specific edition (and ideally cite it <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_news" title="Template:Cite news">as a newspaper</a>).</li> <li>Both camelbackgallery.com sources are <a href="/wiki/HTTP_404" title="HTTP 404">404-compliant</a>.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.teravarna.com/winners-2024-figurative-8">https://www.teravarna.com/winners-2024-figurative-8</a> is useless for notability (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">too sparse</a>). Name in a list, did not take first prize and award is of questionable reputation.</li> <li>I can't assess <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://art.base.co/event/11411-shades-of-red-2023-awards">https://art.base.co/event/11411-shades-of-red-2023-awards</a> (technical barrier). Firefox can't connect to it.</li> <li>Quantum Muse Art's press page - and anything else on that domain - is useless for notability (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">connexion to subject</a>). Note that I haven't linked that page because it <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COPYVIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COPYVIO">consists almost entirely of scans of pages of press coverage and is thus a copyright violation we cannot link to, let alone cite</a>.</li> <li>We can't use <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://roco6x6.org/full-artist-list/2024">https://roco6x6.org/full-artist-list/2024</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">too sparse</a>). Contentless list of names. Same applies to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://roco6x6.org/full-artist-list/2023">https://roco6x6.org/full-artist-list/2023</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.colorsofhumanityartgallery.com/Red-2024/Red-2024-Show/n-2q6FFB">https://www.colorsofhumanityartgallery.com/Red-2024/Red-2024-Show/n-2q6FFB</a> is useless for notability (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">too sparse</a>). Didn't take BiS, First, or Second (and even if she did she would be speaking about herself); award is of questionable reputation.</li> <li>We can't use <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://givebutter.com/c/okilanguageproject/auction/items/200060">https://givebutter.com/c/okilanguageproject/auction/items/200060</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFFILIATE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFFILIATE">online marketplace</a>). Auction site.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.theartlist.com/featured-artists/2023-cynthia-pinot">https://www.theartlist.com/featured-artists/2023-cynthia-pinot</a> is useless for notability (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">connexion to subject</a>). Interview.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://influencegallery.com/shows/june-2023/">https://influencegallery.com/shows/june-2023/</a> is useless for notability (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">too sparse</a>). Didn't take BiS, First, or Second (and even if she did she would be speaking about herself); award is of questionable reputation.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://helvetart.ch/show/6743-2/">https://helvetart.ch/show/6743-2/</a> is useless for notability (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">too sparse</a>). Didn't take BiS, First, or Second; award is of questionable reputation.</li> <li>We can't use <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.artworkarchive.com/profile/laslagunaartgallery/exhibition/2023-figures-or-faces/pieces?artist=cynthia-pinot-dinelli">https://www.artworkarchive.com/profile/laslagunaartgallery/exhibition/2023-figures-or-faces/pieces?artist=cynthia-pinot-dinelli</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">too sparse</a>). Photo gallery.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.topartawards.com/post/camelback-gallery-black-and-white-xi-juried-art-awards">https://www.topartawards.com/post/camelback-gallery-black-and-white-xi-juried-art-awards</a> appears to be a non-sequitur?</li></ul></dd> <dd>Nothing you have helps a whit to show she is notable. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126000500-JanaFerrume-20241125221100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126000500-JanaFerrume-20241125221100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126000500-JanaFerrume-20241125221100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_26" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_26-20241126003900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_26-20241126003900"></span>November 26<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_26-20241126003900"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: November 26"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="00:39,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer" data-mw-thread-id="h-00:39,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer-November_26-20241126003900"><span id="00:39.2C_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-00:39,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer-November_26-20241126003900"></span>00:39, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Monetbaer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-00:39,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer-November_26-20241126003900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: 00:39, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Monetbaer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Monetbaer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Monetbaer (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Monetbaer-20241126003900-00:39,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer"></span>Monetbaer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Monetbaer" title="User talk:Monetbaer">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Monetbaer" title="Special:Contributions/Monetbaer">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Monetbaer&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=00%3A39%2C+26+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Monetbaer">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Adam_Lynn" title="Draft:Adam Lynn">Draft:Adam Lynn</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Adam_Lynn&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Adam_Lynn&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Adam Lynn (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Adam_Lynn&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Adam_Lynn">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Adam_Lynn&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAdam+Lynn">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I am trying to publish this page on Adam Lynn and I think the submission was declined because it appeared that I had a financial stake. I would love help updating/editing this so that it complies with Wikipedia's terms and does not come across as biased. Thanks! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Monetbaer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Monetbaer (page does not exist)">Monetbaer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Monetbaer" title="User talk:Monetbaer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Monetbaer-20241126003900-00:39,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Monetbaer-20241126003900-00:39,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Monetbaer-20241126003900-00:39,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Monetbaer"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126014800-Monetbaer-20241126003900"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Monetbaer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Monetbaer (page does not exist)">Monetbaer</a>:</span> No, it was declined <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons">because you have uncited claims in the article.</a> —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126014800-Monetbaer-20241126003900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126014800-Monetbaer-20241126003900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126014800-Monetbaer-20241126003900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="02:36,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub" data-mw-thread-id="h-02:36,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub-November_26-20241126023600"><span id="02:36.2C_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-02:36,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub-November_26-20241126023600"></span>02:36, 26 November 2024 review of submission by ShrimpInAHotTub<span data-mw-comment-end="h-02:36,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub-November_26-20241126023600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: 02:36, 26 November 2024 review of submission by ShrimpInAHotTub"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:ShrimpInAHotTub" title="User:ShrimpInAHotTub"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ShrimpInAHotTub-20241126023600-02:36,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub"></span>ShrimpInAHotTub</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ShrimpInAHotTub" title="User talk:ShrimpInAHotTub">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ShrimpInAHotTub" title="Special:Contributions/ShrimpInAHotTub">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ShrimpInAHotTub&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=02%3A36%2C+26+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+ShrimpInAHotTub">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Asian_and_American_Market&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Asian and American Market (page does not exist)">Draft:Asian and American Market</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Asian_and_American_Market&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Asian_and_American_Market&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Asian and American Market (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Asian_and_American_Market&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Asian_and_American_Market">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Asian_and_American_Market&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAsian+and+American+Market">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>There’s a box around the “Size” section and I don’t know how to remove it <a href="/wiki/User:ShrimpInAHotTub" title="User:ShrimpInAHotTub">ShrimpInAHotTub</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ShrimpInAHotTub" title="User talk:ShrimpInAHotTub">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ShrimpInAHotTub-20241126023600-02:36,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ShrimpInAHotTub-20241126023600-02:36,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ShrimpInAHotTub-20241126023600-02:36,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_ShrimpInAHotTub"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241126023900-ShrimpInAHotTub-20241126023600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ShrimpInAHotTub" title="User:ShrimpInAHotTub">ShrimpInAHotTub</a> I've fixed it for you - there was an extra space before the text, causing it to display as code. I've also cleaned up the references. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CanonNi-20241126023900-ShrimpInAHotTub-20241126023600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241126023900-ShrimpInAHotTub-20241126023600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241126023900-ShrimpInAHotTub-20241126023600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ShrimpInAHotTub-20241126024000-CanonNi-20241126023900"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:ShrimpInAHotTub" title="User:ShrimpInAHotTub">ShrimpInAHotTub</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ShrimpInAHotTub" title="User talk:ShrimpInAHotTub">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ShrimpInAHotTub-20241126024000-CanonNi-20241126023900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ShrimpInAHotTub-20241126024000-CanonNi-20241126023900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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review of submission by 118.221.204.69"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:118.221.204.69&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:118.221.204.69 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-118.221.204.69-20241126033200-03:32,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.221.204.69"></span>118.221.204.69</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:118.221.204.69" title="User talk:118.221.204.69">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/118.221.204.69" title="Special:Contributions/118.221.204.69">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" 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href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Methionylglutaminylarginyltyrosylglutamyl...serine&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Methionylglutaminylarginyltyrosylglutamyl...serine (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Methionylglutaminylarginyltyrosylglutamyl...serine&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Methionylglutaminylarginyltyrosylglutamyl...serine">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Methionylglutaminylarginyltyrosylglutamyl...serine&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AMethionylglutaminylarginyltyrosylglutamyl...serine">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>ㅁ <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/118.221.204.69" title="Special:Contributions/118.221.204.69">118.221.204.69</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:118.221.204.69" title="User talk:118.221.204.69">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-118.221.204.69-20241126033200-03:32,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.221.204.69" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-118.221.204.69-20241126033200-03:32,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.221.204.69"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-118.221.204.69-20241126033200-03:32,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.221.204.69"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126054200-118.221.204.69-20241126033200"></span>No sources were provided in the draft, nor does Google provide any clarification, at least as a discrete, named entity in itself. It just looks like a long sequence of amino acids. Assuming the name itself isn't a joke because of it's length (I would imagine if this were real, the fairly standard abbreviations would be used), sources have to be provided for an article to exist, and nobody that has edited this draft over the last three years have provided any such sourcing. <a href="/wiki/User:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User:CoffeeCrumbs">CoffeeCrumbs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User talk:CoffeeCrumbs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126054200-118.221.204.69-20241126033200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126054200-118.221.204.69-20241126033200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126054200-118.221.204.69-20241126033200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="03:53,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WWWedit" data-mw-thread-id="h-03:53,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WWWedit-November_26-20241126035300"><span id="03:53.2C_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WWWedit"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-03:53,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WWWedit-November_26-20241126035300"></span>03:53, 26 November 2024 review of submission by WWWedit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-03:53,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WWWedit-November_26-20241126035300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: 03:53, 26 November 2024 review of submission by WWWedit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:WWWedit" title="User:WWWedit"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WWWedit-20241126035300-03:53,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WWWedit"></span>WWWedit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WWWedit" title="User talk:WWWedit">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/WWWedit" title="Special:Contributions/WWWedit">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WWWedit&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=03%3A53%2C+26+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+WWWedit">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Farrane_Mama:_Kenitra%CA%BCs_Historic_Communal_Oven" title="Draft:Farrane Mama: Kenitraʼs Historic Communal Oven">Draft:Farrane Mama: Kenitraʼs Historic Communal Oven</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Farrane_Mama:_Kenitra%CA%BCs_Historic_Communal_Oven&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Farrane_Mama:_Kenitra%CA%BCs_Historic_Communal_Oven" title="Draft talk:Farrane Mama: Kenitraʼs Historic Communal Oven">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Farrane_Mama:_Kenitra%CA%BCs_Historic_Communal_Oven&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Farrane_Mama:_Kenitra%CA%BCs_Historic_Communal_Oven">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Farrane_Mama:_Kenitra%CA%BCs_Historic_Communal_Oven&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AFarrane+Mama%3A+Kenitra%CA%BCs+Historic+Communal+Oven">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>My submission was rejected, and I completely understand and agree with the decision. It read more like an essay rather than an encyclopedic article. One of the challenges is that solid, documented sources about communal ovens in Morocco are not readily available, as these traditional facilities are deeply woven into local communities and often lack systematic documentation. However, we have to start somewhere, and in many cases, we must rely on oral histories—accounts from older generations who lived through and witnessed these traditions firsthand. For instance, Farrane Mama is not just a communal oven but a cultural monument, and its story deserves to be documented for future generations. What do you suggest is the best way to go with this one. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:WWWedit" title="User:WWWedit">WWWedit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WWWedit" title="User talk:WWWedit">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-WWWedit-20241126035300-03:53,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WWWedit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WWWedit-20241126035300-03:53,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WWWedit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WWWedit-20241126035300-03:53,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_WWWedit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126053100-WWWedit-20241126035300"></span>Articles here require sources, and there's no way around that, so it'll be nearly impossible to find an article if sources can't be found. If that is the case, I would suggest that if you would like to spread awareness of this sort of thing, writing about it on your own website is a great way to get people to read about it. And if the topic further interests researchers who happen to read your page, perhaps some will produce more written research that will someday be the basis for an article here. <a href="/wiki/User:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User:CoffeeCrumbs">CoffeeCrumbs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User talk:CoffeeCrumbs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126053100-WWWedit-20241126035300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126053100-WWWedit-20241126035300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:NGIPHORH">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:NGIPHORH&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ANGIPHORH">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I'm a bigginner <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ngiphondims&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ngiphondims (page does not exist)">Ngiphondims</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ngiphondims" title="User talk:Ngiphondims">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ngiphondims-20241126045800-04:58,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ngiphondims-20241126045800-04:58,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ngiphondims-20241126045800-04:58,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ngiphondims"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126052700-Ngiphondims-20241126045800"></span>Do you have a specific question? If it's about your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIO">WP:AUTOBIO</a>, you've provided no sources that come close to establishing that you're notable, in Wikipedia's sense. In fact, it looks like you took a basic template and then ignored half of the template, leaving things like "citation to reliable source, print or e, goes here" and "Important book to know about" in the draft. This draft was rejeccted, meaning that it will not be reconsidered at this time. <a href="/wiki/User:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User:CoffeeCrumbs">CoffeeCrumbs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User talk:CoffeeCrumbs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126052700-Ngiphondims-20241126045800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126052700-Ngiphondims-20241126045800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126052700-Ngiphondims-20241126045800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="08:43,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ghaloit1983" data-mw-thread-id="h-08:43,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ghaloit1983-November_26-20241126084300"><span id="08:43.2C_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ghaloit1983"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-08:43,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ghaloit1983-November_26-20241126084300"></span>08:43, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Ghaloit1983<span data-mw-comment-end="h-08:43,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ghaloit1983-November_26-20241126084300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: 08:43, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Ghaloit1983"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ghaloit1983&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ghaloit1983 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300-08:43,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ghaloit1983"></span>Ghaloit1983</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghaloit1983" title="User talk:Ghaloit1983">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ghaloit1983" title="Special:Contributions/Ghaloit1983">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ghaloit1983&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=08%3A43%2C+26+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Ghaloit1983">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:Ghaloit1983/sandbox" title="User:Ghaloit1983/sandbox">User:Ghaloit1983/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ghaloit1983/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghaloit1983/sandbox" title="User talk:Ghaloit1983/sandbox">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ghaloit1983/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Ghaloit1983/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ghaloit1983/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AGhaloit1983%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>as i am new to all these and want to contribute to wikipedia, but as i know about my topics and i am well sure for the information i shared about "Asian Education Group". but still the rejections happening again and again. Still i am eagerly exited to know the sugestions and need help to publish my first article successfully. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ghaloit1983&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ghaloit1983 (page does not exist)">Ghaloit1983</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghaloit1983" title="User talk:Ghaloit1983">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300-08:43,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ghaloit1983" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300-08:43,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ghaloit1983"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300-08:43,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Ghaloit1983"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ghaloit1983&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ghaloit1983 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241126084900-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300"></span>Ghaloit1983</a>, your draft has no complete sentences. It tells us almost nothing about the topic. It fails to establish that the topic is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">notable</a>. It bears no resemblance to an actual encyclopedia article. It is more like a business database entry, and that is not the purpose of Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Cullen328-20241126084900-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241126084900-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241126084900-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241126085100-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300"></span>(ec) If you work for the Asian Education Group, that must be disclosed, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAID">WP:PAID</a> as well as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a>.</dd> <dd>The draft was declined twice and now rejected, this means it will not be considered further. Literally the entire content of the article was "Asian Education Group, Noida, UP, India. Established in November 1986, Owned by Dr. Sandeep Marwah, Founder Film City, Noida, UP, India". Wikipedia is not a directory of things that exist. This is an encyclopedia which has articles that summarize what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notability</a>, like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">a notable organization or business</a>.</dd> <dd>Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it isn't the only or even best way someone can contribute. We have millions of articles, most of which need work. It is highly recommended that new users first spend much time to get experience and knowledge of how Wikipedia operates by first editing existing articles in areas that interest them, as well as using the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ADVENTURE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ADVENTURE">new user tutorial</a>. It's possible to be a succssful editor and never write a single new article. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241126085100-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241126085100-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241126085100-Ghaloit1983-20241126084300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ghaloit1983-20241126111100-331dot-20241126085100"></span>Thank you for the valuable inputs, surely i will try to write new articles with keeping these points in mind. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ghaloit1983&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ghaloit1983 (page does not exist)">Ghaloit1983</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghaloit1983" title="User talk:Ghaloit1983">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Ghaloit1983-20241126111100-331dot-20241126085100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ghaloit1983-20241126111100-331dot-20241126085100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ghaloit1983-20241126111100-331dot-20241126085100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="12:54,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Talosofficial2" data-mw-thread-id="h-12:54,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Talosofficial2-November_26-20241126125400"><span id="12:54.2C_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Talosofficial2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-12:54,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Talosofficial2-November_26-20241126125400"></span>12:54, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Talosofficial2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-12:54,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Talosofficial2-November_26-20241126125400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: 12:54, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Talosofficial2"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Talosofficial2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Talosofficial2 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Talosofficial2-20241126125400-12:54,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Talosofficial2"></span>Talosofficial2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Talosofficial2" title="User talk:Talosofficial2">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Talosofficial2" title="Special:Contributions/Talosofficial2">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Talosofficial2&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=12%3A54%2C+26+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Talosofficial2">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Devjournal" title="Draft:Devjournal">Draft:Devjournal</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Devjournal&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Devjournal" title="Draft talk:Devjournal">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Devjournal&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Devjournal">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Devjournal&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADevjournal">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hello sir! i need help because i am keep getting rejected what can i do to fix it ? i fixed the part of advert and added Reference <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Talosofficial2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Talosofficial2 (page does not exist)">Talosofficial2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Talosofficial2" title="User talk:Talosofficial2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Talosofficial2-20241126125400-12:54,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Talosofficial2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Talosofficial2-20241126125400-12:54,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Talosofficial2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Talosofficial2-20241126125400-12:54,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Talosofficial2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241126131800-Talosofficial2-20241126125400"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Talosofficial2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Talosofficial2 (page does not exist)">Talosofficial2</a>: you have not been rejected, but your draft has.</dd> <dd>I'm afraid your experience is rather typical for people who come to Wikipedia and immediately try to do the most challenging task there is for newcomers: to create a new article. It's like somebody picking up a tennis racket for the first time, and immediately entering a major competition, or having your first violin lesson and trying to give a public recital: not only don't you know how to do it, you probably won't even understand the feedback you get.</dd> <dd>My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft.</dd> <dd>My quick summary of how to create an article: <ol><li>Look for sources which are reliable, independent, and have significant coverage of the subject. Ignore anything written, published, or commissioned by the subject or their associates. Ignore anything based on a press release or interview with the subject or their associates. Ignore anything which is on social media, forums, wikis (including Wikipedia). Ignore anything self-published, or published by an unknown or vanity press. Ignore anything that does not mention the subject. Ignore anything which does not have at least a few paragraphs about the subject. Ignore anything where those few paragraphs about the subject are obviously copied from the subject's biography or website. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a> for more details.</li> <li>If you do not have at least three sources that meet all those requirements, then give up: you are wasting your time trying to create this article.</li> <li>If you do have three or more sources, then forget <i>everything</i> that you know about the subject, and write a summary of what those sources say. Some of what they say might be trivial and not appropriate to an encyclopaedia, and you can leave those out. But make sure that you don't leave anything out just because you disagree with it.</li></ol></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-ColinFine-20241126131800-Talosofficial2-20241126125400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241126131800-Talosofficial2-20241126125400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241126131800-Talosofficial2-20241126125400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Talosofficial2-20241126133100-ColinFine-20241126131800"></span>Okay, I understand everything. I fixed all the issues that caused my submission to be rejected. However, I was blocked from resubmitting because:</dd> <dd>Submission rejected on 26 November 2024 by KylieTastic (talk):</dd> <dd>This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Talosofficial2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Talosofficial2 (page does not exist)">Talosofficial2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Talosofficial2" title="User talk:Talosofficial2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Talosofficial2-20241126133100-ColinFine-20241126131800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Talosofficial2-20241126133100-ColinFine-20241126131800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Talosofficial2-20241126133100-ColinFine-20241126131800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126133900-Talosofficial2-20241126133100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Talosofficial2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Talosofficial2 (page does not exist)">Talosofficial2</a>: that's not a question; was there something you wanted to ask?</dd> <dd>But yes, you're right, this draft has been rejected, which means resubmission is no longer possible. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241126133900-Talosofficial2-20241126133100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126133900-Talosofficial2-20241126133100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126133900-Talosofficial2-20241126133100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Talosofficial2-20241126134000-DoubleGrazing-20241126133900"></span>yeah its a question what does it mean with:</dd> <dd>This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Talosofficial2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Talosofficial2 (page does not exist)">Talosofficial2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Talosofficial2" title="User talk:Talosofficial2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Talosofficial2-20241126134000-DoubleGrazing-20241126133900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Talosofficial2-20241126134000-DoubleGrazing-20241126133900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Talosofficial2-20241126134000-DoubleGrazing-20241126133900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126141100-Talosofficial2-20241126134000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Talosofficial2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Talosofficial2 (page does not exist)">Talosofficial2</a>: it means that even after multiple reviews, the draft provides no evidence that the subject is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a>, and it will therefore not be considered further. For most subjects notability is evidenced by citing multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent of the subject, and have provided significant coverage of it. This draft cites no such source. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241126141100-Talosofficial2-20241126134000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126141100-Talosofficial2-20241126134000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126141100-Talosofficial2-20241126134000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KylieTastic-20241126151200-Talosofficial2-20241126134000"></span>It is clearly a very new venture and it is way too soon for a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is for subjects that are already notable, this looks more like an attempt to use Wikipedia to promote. The site does not even have it's own domain just what appears to be a free hosting sub domain. It has six basic blog posts and claims only "23 Developers Already Onboard". As the site links to what appears to be your YouTube channel I am also assuming this is an undeclared <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest" title="Wikipedia:Conflict of interest">Conflict of interest</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:KylieTastic" title="User:KylieTastic">KylieTastic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KylieTastic" title="User talk:KylieTastic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-KylieTastic-20241126151200-Talosofficial2-20241126134000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KylieTastic-20241126151200-Talosofficial2-20241126134000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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November 2024 review of submission by Deathfrog10"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Deathfrog10" title="User:Deathfrog10"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deathfrog10-20241126165200-16:52,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deathfrog10"></span>Deathfrog10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deathfrog10" title="User talk:Deathfrog10">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Deathfrog10" title="Special:Contributions/Deathfrog10">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Far_Cry_7&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Far_Cry_7">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Far_Cry_7&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AFar+Cry+7">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I really want this to be posted <a href="/wiki/User:Deathfrog10" title="User:Deathfrog10">Deathfrog10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deathfrog10" title="User talk:Deathfrog10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Deathfrog10-20241126165200-16:52,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deathfrog10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deathfrog10-20241126165200-16:52,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deathfrog10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deathfrog10-20241126165200-16:52,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deathfrog10"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JuniperChill-20241126170400-Deathfrog10-20241126165200"></span>Unfortunately, you have provided 0 sources despite writing a lot and after three declines. Therefore, it's been rejected and won't be considered any further. Additionally (see also the comments on that draft), its not written in the format that readers would expect. <a href="/wiki/User:JuniperChill" title="User:JuniperChill">JuniperChill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JuniperChill" title="User talk:JuniperChill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-JuniperChill-20241126170400-Deathfrog10-20241126165200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JuniperChill-20241126170400-Deathfrog10-20241126165200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JuniperChill-20241126170400-Deathfrog10-20241126165200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="17:23,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Emmasaltbox" data-mw-thread-id="h-17:23,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Emmasaltbox-November_26-20241126172300"><span id="17:23.2C_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Emmasaltbox"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-17:23,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Emmasaltbox-November_26-20241126172300"></span>17:23, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Emmasaltbox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-17:23,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Emmasaltbox-November_26-20241126172300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: 17:23, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Emmasaltbox"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmasaltbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmasaltbox (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emmasaltbox-20241126172300-17:23,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Emmasaltbox"></span>Emmasaltbox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmasaltbox" title="User talk:Emmasaltbox">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Emmasaltbox" title="Special:Contributions/Emmasaltbox">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Emmasaltbox&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=17%3A23%2C+26+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Emmasaltbox">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Lexercise" title="Draft:Lexercise">Draft:Lexercise</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Lexercise&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Lexercise" title="Draft talk:Lexercise">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Lexercise&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Lexercise">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Lexercise&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ALexercise">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hi, my article was turned down because the listed citations were linked with the topic (Lexercise). However, I don't believe this to be true. I found external, third-party writeups of the topic. Why was this denied? Thanks, Emma <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmasaltbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmasaltbox (page does not exist)">Emmasaltbox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmasaltbox" title="User talk:Emmasaltbox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Emmasaltbox-20241126172300-17:23,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Emmasaltbox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emmasaltbox-20241126172300-17:23,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Emmasaltbox"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emmasaltbox-20241126172300-17:23,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Emmasaltbox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126173900-Emmasaltbox-20241126172300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmasaltbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmasaltbox (page does not exist)">Emmasaltbox</a>: the sources are blogs and the like, quite possibly sponsored or some form of <a href="/wiki/Churnalism" title="Churnalism">churnalism</a>. I don't think any of them are fully independent, and they certainly don't come across as particularly reliable. I'd say this was declined correctly.</dd> <dd>What is your relationship with this subject? -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241126173900-Emmasaltbox-20241126172300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126173900-Emmasaltbox-20241126172300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126173900-Emmasaltbox-20241126172300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emmasaltbox-20241126200700-DoubleGrazing-20241126173900"></span>I actually came across Lexercise through one of these blogs and have since used their free testing. I do think these third party reviews should not cause a denial of the page based on a guess that they might be connected, especially since there are no affiliate links on the pages or anything that would point to this being the case. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmasaltbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmasaltbox (page does not exist)">Emmasaltbox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmasaltbox" title="User talk:Emmasaltbox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Emmasaltbox-20241126200700-DoubleGrazing-20241126173900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emmasaltbox-20241126200700-DoubleGrazing-20241126173900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: 18:31, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Deathfrog10"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Deathfrog10" title="User:Deathfrog10"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deathfrog10-20241126183100-18:31,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deathfrog10"></span>Deathfrog10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deathfrog10" title="User talk:Deathfrog10">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Deathfrog10" title="Special:Contributions/Deathfrog10">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Far_Cry_7&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Far_Cry_7">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Far_Cry_7&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AFar+Cry+7">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Can’t submit anymore please help <a href="/wiki/User:Deathfrog10" title="User:Deathfrog10">Deathfrog10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deathfrog10" title="User talk:Deathfrog10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Deathfrog10-20241126183100-18:31,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deathfrog10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deathfrog10-20241126183100-18:31,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deathfrog10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deathfrog10-20241126183100-18:31,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Deathfrog10"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126183400-Deathfrog10-20241126183100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Deathfrog10" title="User:Deathfrog10">Deathfrog10</a>: that's correct; this draft has been <i>rejected</i>, which means the end of the road. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241126183400-Deathfrog10-20241126183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126183400-Deathfrog10-20241126183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241126183400-Deathfrog10-20241126183100"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126191200-Deathfrog10-20241126183100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Deathfrog10" title="User:Deathfrog10">Deathfrog10</a>:</span> <b>This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further, no matter how often you remove the decline/reject notices.</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">No sources</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">no article</a>, no debate. (You need to <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners"><i>actually cite your sources here</i></a>.) This article also reads like a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPAM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPAM">press release</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126191200-Deathfrog10-20241126183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126191200-Deathfrog10-20241126183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20241126191200-Deathfrog10-20241126183100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="19:51,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tepojama" data-mw-thread-id="h-19:51,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tepojama-November_26-20241126195100"><span id="19:51.2C_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tepojama"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-19:51,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tepojama-November_26-20241126195100"></span>19:51, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Tepojama<span data-mw-comment-end="h-19:51,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tepojama-November_26-20241126195100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: 19:51, 26 November 2024 review of submission by Tepojama"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Tepojama" title="User:Tepojama"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tepojama-20241126195100-19:51,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tepojama"></span>Tepojama</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tepojama" title="User talk:Tepojama">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tepojama" title="Special:Contributions/Tepojama">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tepojama&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=19%3A51%2C+26+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Tepojama">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Bust_of_Sylvette" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Bust of Sylvette">Draft:Bust of Sylvette</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bust_of_Sylvette&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Bust_of_Sylvette" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft talk:Bust of Sylvette">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bust_of_Sylvette&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Bust_of_Sylvette">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bust_of_Sylvette&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ABust+of+Sylvette">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Sorry if this is a silly question but can someone tell me if I need to do anything to clean up the formatting of my references or if they're good as-is? Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Tepojama" title="User:Tepojama">Tepojama</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tepojama" title="User talk:Tepojama">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Tepojama-20241126195100-19:51,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tepojama" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tepojama-20241126195100-19:51,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tepojama"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tepojama-20241126195100-19:51,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Tepojama"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JuniperChill-20241126212200-Tepojama-20241126195100"></span>I would say they should be formatted in accordance with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFB">WP:REFB</a>, instead of just a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bare_URL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Bare URL">Bare URL</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:JuniperChill" title="User:JuniperChill">JuniperChill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JuniperChill" title="User talk:JuniperChill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-JuniperChill-20241126212200-Tepojama-20241126195100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JuniperChill-20241126212200-Tepojama-20241126195100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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title="Edit section: 22:11, 26 November 2024 review of submission by JohnHapi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:JohnHapi" title="User:JohnHapi"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnHapi-20241126221100-22:11,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_JohnHapi"></span>JohnHapi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnHapi" title="User talk:JohnHapi">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JohnHapi" title="Special:Contributions/JohnHapi">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JohnHapi&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=22%3A11%2C+26+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+JohnHapi">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:MiaoFuk" title="Draft:MiaoFuk">Draft:MiaoFuk</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:MiaoFuk&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:MiaoFuk" title="Draft talk:MiaoFuk">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:MiaoFuk&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:MiaoFuk">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:MiaoFuk&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AMiaoFuk">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Why can’t my page get accepted to the Wikipedia Article? I have sources of pictures, ancient-medieval paintings, ancient-medieval art works, statues, 16th-19th century art works, many cultural relics, historical objects stored in museums, historical clothes stored in museums, modern art works portrayal of the historical past, and many more. I study China-NorthEast Asia History for many years. I will send it in the MiaoFuk Wikipedia. MiaoFuk is a clothing very similar to HanFuk (HanFu on Wikipedia) and it’s also has GiJzoang/QiZhuang clothings (there is a QiZhuang Wikipedia) MiaoFuk is a Chinese clothing style worn by another ethnicity. I have a lot of sources, I will just send it in later. Chinese-NorthEast Asia History is not really taught in the United States and that’s okay because I can send in more works. Wikipedia has a lot of American History compared to any other Worldwide Histories because it’s an American invention. <a href="/wiki/User:JohnHapi" title="User:JohnHapi">JohnHapi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnHapi" title="User talk:JohnHapi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-JohnHapi-20241126221100-22:11,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_JohnHapi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnHapi-20241126221100-22:11,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_JohnHapi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnHapi-20241126221100-22:11,_26_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_JohnHapi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241127014600-JohnHapi-20241126221100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:JohnHapi" title="User:JohnHapi">JohnHapi</a> you had six oppotunities to include sources yet you didn't, and the draft was rejected as a result. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CanonNi-20241127014600-JohnHapi-20241126221100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241127014600-JohnHapi-20241126221100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241127014600-JohnHapi-20241126221100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shirt58-20241127111500-CanonNi-20241127014600"></span>My apologies for butting here uninvited, but I think I may be able to help out here.</dd> <dd>First of all "MiaoFuk" or "Miao Fuk" doesn't appear to a word in English. It appears to be an idiosyncratic transliteration of 苗服 - the <a href="/wiki/Syllable#Coda" title="Syllable">coda</a> "k" here would it appear to indicate that it's a transliteration from one of the <a href="/wiki/Yue_Chinese" title="Yue Chinese">Yue Chinese</a> family of languages.</dd> <dd>What I would suggest is that you start a draft <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Miao_clothing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Miao clothing (page does not exist)">Draft:Miao clothing</a>, starting with text like "<b>Miao clothing</b> is the tradition dress of the <a href="/wiki/Miao_people" title="Miao people">Miao people</a>..." and references from reliable sources, not your own personal assertion that "I have sources of pictures, ancient-medieval paintings, ancient-medieval art works, statues, 16th-19th century art works, many cultural relics, historical objects stored in museums, historical clothes stored in museums, modern art works portrayal of the historical past, and many more."</dd> <dd>I hope this may assist you. Peter in Australia aka <a href="/wiki/User:Shirt58" title="User:Shirt58">Shirt58</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shirt58" title="User talk:Shirt58">talk</a>) 🦘 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Shirt58-20241127111500-CanonNi-20241127014600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shirt58-20241127111500-CanonNi-20241127014600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shirt58-20241127111500-CanonNi-20241127014600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_27" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_27-20241127045800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_27-20241127045800"></span>November 27<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_27-20241127045800"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: November 27"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka" data-mw-thread-id="h-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka-November_27-20241127045800"><span id="04:58.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka-November_27-20241127045800"></span>04:58, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Otaneka<span data-mw-comment-end="h-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka-November_27-20241127045800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: 04:58, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Otaneka"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Otaneka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Otaneka (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Otaneka-20241127045800-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka"></span>Otaneka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Otaneka" title="User talk:Otaneka">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Otaneka" title="Special:Contributions/Otaneka">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Otaneka&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=04%3A58%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Otaneka">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Octavia_Grant" title="Draft:Octavia Grant">Draft:Octavia Grant</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Octavia_Grant&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Octavia_Grant&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft talk:Octavia Grant (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Octavia_Grant&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Octavia_Grant">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Octavia_Grant&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AOctavia+Grant">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>My page was declined due to missing footnotes. I'm unsure of how to add the footnotes. Can an experienced editor complete this task? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Otaneka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Otaneka (page does not exist)">Otaneka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Otaneka" title="User talk:Otaneka">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Otaneka-20241127045800-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Otaneka-20241127045800-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Otaneka-20241127045800-04:58,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Otaneka"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061900-Otaneka-20241127045800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Otaneka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Otaneka (page does not exist)">Otaneka</a>: nobody else can really do that for you, at least not without considerable difficulty, because we don't know from which source each piece of information came from. The process is explained at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFB">WP:REFB</a>, please see that for advice. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061900-Otaneka-20241127045800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061900-Otaneka-20241127045800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061900-Otaneka-20241127045800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo" data-mw-thread-id="h-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo-November_27-20241127054700"><span id="05:47.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo-November_27-20241127054700"></span>05:47, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Venugo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo-November_27-20241127054700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=69" title="Edit section: 05:47, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Venugo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Venugo" title="User:Venugo"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Venugo-20241127054700-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo"></span>Venugo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Venugo" title="User talk:Venugo">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Venugo" title="Special:Contributions/Venugo">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Venugo&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=05%3A47%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Venugo">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe" title="Draft:Devendra Rajesh Kothe">Draft:Devendra Rajesh Kothe</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe" title="Draft talk:Devendra Rajesh Kothe">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Devendra_Rajesh_Kothe&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ADevendra+Rajesh+Kothe">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Please merge this page with Devendra Rajesh Kothe new page or already existing subject <a href="/wiki/User:Venugo" title="User:Venugo">Venugo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Venugo" title="User talk:Venugo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Venugo-20241127054700-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Venugo-20241127054700-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Venugo-20241127054700-05:47,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Venugo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061600-Venugo-20241127054700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Venugo" title="User:Venugo">Venugo</a>: there is no miraculous Merge-a-matic® article merger, it's just a case of manually editing the content to selectively insert information (and references) from one article to another; or, if you like, improving and supplementing one article with information appearing in the other. In any case, this isn't something we do here at the help desk, that's your job (or the job of whoever wishes such merging to be done). -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061600-Venugo-20241127054700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061600-Venugo-20241127054700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127061600-Venugo-20241127054700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen" data-mw-thread-id="h-06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen-November_27-20241127063200"><span id="06:32.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen-November_27-20241127063200"></span>06:32, 27 November 2024 review of submission by HewRamen<span data-mw-comment-end="h-06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen-November_27-20241127063200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: 06:32, 27 November 2024 review of submission by HewRamen"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HewRamen (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HewRamen-20241127063200-06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen"></span>HewRamen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HewRamen" title="User talk:HewRamen">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HewRamen" title="Special:Contributions/HewRamen">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HewRamen&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=06%3A32%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+HewRamen">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/User:HewRamen/sandbox" title="User:HewRamen/sandbox">User:HewRamen/sandbox</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen/sandbox&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HewRamen/sandbox" title="User talk:HewRamen/sandbox">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen/sandbox&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:HewRamen/sandbox">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen/sandbox&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AHewRamen%2Fsandbox">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I have a project that makes a new topic and I chose to make a new card game that was released 1 year ago UnionArena most of the resources are on the official site I don't know how to find other sites that can Improve my topic which got declined <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HewRamen (page does not exist)">HewRamen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HewRamen" title="User talk:HewRamen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-HewRamen-20241127063200-06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HewRamen-20241127063200-06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HewRamen-20241127063200-06:32,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_HewRamen"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127070100-HewRamen-20241127063200"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HewRamen&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HewRamen (page does not exist)">HewRamen</a>: Wikipedia doesn't publish articles on things that merely exist (with some exceptions, like major geographical features or most species), but rather on things that have been previously covered in the media. Wikipedia articles then (mostly) summarise what media outlets, and more specifically reliable and independent secondary sources, have said. If such sources don't exist, then they cannot be summarised, and a Wikipedia article on the subject cannot be created; this is described as the subject not being "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a>" enough for publication. I expect this is what we're dealing with here. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127070100-HewRamen-20241127063200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127070100-HewRamen-20241127063200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127070100-HewRamen-20241127063200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial" data-mw-thread-id="h-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial-November_27-20241127073000"><span id="07:30.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial-November_27-20241127073000"></span>07:30, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Commercialindustrial<span data-mw-comment-end="h-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial-November_27-20241127073000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=71" title="Edit section: 07:30, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Commercialindustrial"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial"></span>Commercialindustrial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commercialindustrial" title="User talk:Commercialindustrial">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commercialindustrial" title="Special:Contributions/Commercialindustrial">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=07%3A30%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Commercialindustrial">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Quintessential_(company)" title="Draft:Quintessential (company)">Draft:Quintessential (company)</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Quintessential_(company)&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Quintessential_(company)" title="Draft talk:Quintessential (company)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Quintessential_(company)&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Quintessential_(company)">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Quintessential_(company)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AQuintessential+%28company%29">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Hello, I’m seeking guidance on how to improve this draft. It has been rejected multiple times for reading like an advertisement. </p><p>I have made several attempts to rewrite it with a more neutral tone, but I’m struggling to get it approved. To me, it seems neutral, but I may be missing something. Could anyone point out specific sentences or sections that come across as promotional? I would appreciate your feedback so I can make the necessary edits. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commercialindustrial" title="User talk:Commercialindustrial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000-07:30,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Commercialindustrial"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a>: this draft has now been rejected (after multiple earlier declines), and will therefore not be considered further. Hence, there seems little point in analysing it further.</dd> <dd>You have stated that you are not being paid to edit on this subject. In that case, could you please describe, in your own words, your relationship with Quintessential? Thank you, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400-Commercialindustrial-20241127073000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400"></span>Thank you for your feedback. I understand that the draft has been rejected multiple times, and I appreciate the concerns raised. My intention with this draft is to provide a factual and encyclopaedic entry for the company, relying on reliable, independent sources that establish its notability.</dd> <dd>To clarify, I do not have any connection to the company, nor am I being paid for this submission. My sole aim is to contribute verifiable information about a subject that, in my view, meets Wikipedia’s notability standards due to significant independent coverage in reputable publications and its contributions to the industry. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commercialindustrial" title="User talk:Commercialindustrial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100-DoubleGrazing-20241127073400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a>: just to clarify, this draft has not been rejected multiple times; it has been declined multiple times, and rejected once. The difference may seem pedantic, but is actually substantive: decline means that the draft can be resubmitted once the decline reasons have been addressed; rejection means it cannot.</dd> <dd>You registered your user account, and as your very first edit created a draft on Quintessential in your sandbox <a href="/wiki/User:Commercialindustrial/sandbox" title="User:Commercialindustrial/sandbox">User:Commercialindustrial/sandbox</a>, followed shortly after that by creating the same at <a href="/wiki/Draft:Quintessential_(company)" title="Draft:Quintessential (company)">Draft:Quintessential (company)</a>. To date, your entire edit history has to do with Quintessential. Yet you have no relationship with them. Well okay then, if you say so. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700-Commercialindustrial-20241127075100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700"></span>Thank you for the clarification regarding the difference between “declined” and “rejected.” I appreciate your explanation, as it helps me better understand the process and policies.</dd> <dd>Regarding my account activity, you are correct that my edits have focused on this draft. This is because I registered my account specifically to contribute information about this topic I believe is deserving of an encyclopaedic entry. While my editing experience is limited, I am eager to learn and improve to ensure my contributions align with Wikipedia’s standards. Thank you again for your time and assistance. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commercialindustrial" title="User talk:Commercialindustrial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000-DoubleGrazing-20241127075700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241127091700-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000"></span>I think we're just wondering how you came to edit about this topic- you didn't pick it at random to edit about. Do you intend to edit about other topics? <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241127091700-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241127091700-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241127091700-Commercialindustrial-20241127081000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978" data-mw-thread-id="h-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978-November_27-20241127084900"><span id="08:49.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978-November_27-20241127084900"></span>08:49, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Maumau1978<span data-mw-comment-end="h-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978-November_27-20241127084900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: 08:49, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Maumau1978"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Maumau1978&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Maumau1978 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maumau1978-20241127084900-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978"></span>Maumau1978</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maumau1978" title="User talk:Maumau1978">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maumau1978" title="Special:Contributions/Maumau1978">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Maumau1978&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=08%3A49%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+Maumau1978">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Automad" title="Draft:Automad">Draft:Automad</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Automad&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Automad" title="Draft talk:Automad">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Automad&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Automad">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Automad&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AAutomad">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Dear help desk team, </p><p>I would like to provide better source for my draft on Automad. Therefore I have the two following questions: </p><p>1. Is it ok to use references in other languages. In example having an article written in English that references a webpage written in German? 2. I can see that articles about related subjects in the same space provide a similar set of sources such as the pages of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drupal">Drupal</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt_(CMS)">Bolt</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMSimple">CMSimple</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grav_(CMS)">Grav</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMS_Made_Simple">Made-Simple</a>, just to name a few. More can be found <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems">here</a> in the PHP section. What is the main difference here and how can I improve my article to be notable? </p><p>Thank you in advance and all the best! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Maumau1978&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Maumau1978 (page does not exist)">Maumau1978</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maumau1978" title="User talk:Maumau1978">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Maumau1978-20241127084900-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maumau1978-20241127084900-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maumau1978-20241127084900-08:49,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Maumau1978"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241127091100-Maumau1978-20241127084900"></span>References <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NONENG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NONENG">do not need to be in English</a>, as long as they meet all other requirements for being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. It's not a good idea to use any random article as a model or example, as those too could be inappropriate and just not addressed yet by a volunteer. Each article or draft is judged on its own merits and not based on the presence of others that themselves may be inappropriate. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OSE">other stuff exists</a>. If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those that are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GOODARTICLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GOODARTICLE">classified as good articles</a>, which have been examined by the community. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241127091100-Maumau1978-20241127084900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241127091100-Maumau1978-20241127084900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241127091100-Maumau1978-20241127084900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172" data-mw-thread-id="h-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172-November_27-20241127094600"><span id="09:46.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172-November_27-20241127094600"></span>09:46, 27 November 2024 review of submission by 118.69.188.172<span data-mw-comment-end="h-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172-November_27-20241127094600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=73" title="Edit section: 09:46, 27 November 2024 review of submission by 118.69.188.172"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:118.69.188.172&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:118.69.188.172 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-118.69.188.172-20241127094600-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172"></span>118.69.188.172</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:118.69.188.172" title="User talk:118.69.188.172">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/118.69.188.172" title="Special:Contributions/118.69.188.172">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:118.69.188.172&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&summary=You+have+a+new+reply+on+the+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AWikiProject+Articles+for+creation%2FHelp+desk%7Chelp+desk%5D%5D%21&preload=Template:AFCHD/u/preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=&preloadparams%5B%5D=09%3A46%2C+27+November+2024+review+of+submission+by+118.69.188.172">TB</a></span>)</sup> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:InteliSys_Aviation_System" title="Draft:InteliSys Aviation System">Draft:InteliSys Aviation System</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:InteliSys_Aviation_System&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:InteliSys_Aviation_System" title="Draft talk:InteliSys Aviation System">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:InteliSys_Aviation_System&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:InteliSys_Aviation_System">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:InteliSys_Aviation_System&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AInteliSys+Aviation+System">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Can you advise what I should do improve this article and meet Wikipedia standards? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/118.69.188.172" title="Special:Contributions/118.69.188.172">118.69.188.172</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:118.69.188.172" title="User talk:118.69.188.172">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-118.69.188.172-20241127094600-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-118.69.188.172-20241127094600-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-118.69.188.172-20241127094600-09:46,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_118.69.188.172"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241127103900-118.69.188.172-20241127094600"></span>You have resubmitted it for review, the reviewer will leave you feedback. Please see the messages left by the previous reviewers. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-331dot-20241127103900-118.69.188.172-20241127094600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241127103900-118.69.188.172-20241127094600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241127103900-118.69.188.172-20241127094600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel" data-mw-thread-id="h-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel-November_27-20241127110300"><span id="11:03.2C_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel-November_27-20241127110300"></span>11:03, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Kwame lemuel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel-November_27-20241127110300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=74" title="Edit section: 11:03, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Kwame lemuel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kwame_lemuel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kwame lemuel (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel"></span>Kwame lemuel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kwame_lemuel" title="User talk:Kwame lemuel">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kwame_lemuel" title="Special:Contributions/Kwame lemuel">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:KWEKU_SMOKE">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:KWEKU_SMOKE&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AKWEKU+SMOKE">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>my project was deniad <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kwame_lemuel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kwame lemuel (page does not exist)">Kwame lemuel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kwame_lemuel" title="User talk:Kwame lemuel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300-11:03,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Kwame_lemuel"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241127110800-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kwame_lemuel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kwame lemuel (page does not exist)">Kwame lemuel</a> your poorly-formatted draft was declined, meaning you can still improve it and resubmit. The formatting seems to be <a href="/wiki/Markdown" title="Markdown">Markdown</a> - did you copy this from somewhere? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-CanonNi-20241127110800-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241127110800-Kwame_lemuel-20241127110300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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title="Edit section: 13:40, 27 November 2024 review of submission by Simojibourex"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Simojibourex&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Simojibourex (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simojibourex-20241127134000-13:40,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Simojibourex"></span>Simojibourex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simojibourex" title="User talk:Simojibourex">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Simojibourex" title="Special:Contributions/Simojibourex">contribs</a>) <sup>(<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" 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<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Simojibou&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3ASimojibou">logs</a>)</span></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Why this is simojibou info <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Simojibourex&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Simojibourex (page does not exist)">Simojibourex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simojibourex" title="User talk:Simojibourex">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#c-Simojibourex-20241127134000-13:40,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Simojibourex" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simojibourex-20241127134000-13:40,_27_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Simojibourex"><span 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