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For some dead WikiProjects, the sole purpose of their life was simply to serve as a warning to others. Some of these projects may still be salvageable, but for most, a revival is unlikely. 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If you'd like your project to be included in the Flow pilot <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Flow#Roadmap" title="Wikipedia:Flow">this December</a>, please contact <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Maryana_(WMF)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Maryana (WMF) (page does not exist)">Maryana</a>.</li></ul> </div><div class="noprint" style="text-transform:uppercase; font-size:80%; line-height:120%; padding-top:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; border-top:1px dotted #999; color:#888; padding-right:20px;">Submit your project's news and announcements for next week's WikiProject Report at the <i>Signpost</i><span class="nowrap" style="padding-left:0.1em;">'</span>s <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POST/WP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POST/WP">WikiProject Desk</a>.</div> </div> </div> <p>With <a href="/wiki/Halloween" title="Halloween">Halloween</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Day_of_the_Dead" title="Day of the Dead">Day of the Dead</a>, and other gloomy celebrations this week, we're taking a look at Wikipedia's dead and dying. For some dead WikiProjects, the sole purpose of their life was simply to serve as a warning to others. Some of these projects may still be salvageable, but for most, a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-05-16/WikiProject_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-05-16/WikiProject report">revival</a> is unlikely. Here are some projects that never got off the ground and the lessons that can be gleaned from their follies: </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Set_clear,_attainable_goals_and_follow_through" data-mw-thread-id="h-Set_clear,_attainable_goals_and_follow_through-signpost-article-title"><span id="Set_clear.2C_attainable_goals_and_follow_through"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Set_clear,_attainable_goals_and_follow_through-signpost-article-title"></span>Set clear, attainable goals and follow through<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Set_clear,_attainable_goals_and_follow_through-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Contents" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Contents">WikiProject Contents</a></b> had a simple goal when it was created: build a useful table of contents for a book that has no page numbers and is still being written. The project was spawned from comments in 2001 by Wikipedia co-founder <a href="/wiki/Larry_Sanger" title="Larry Sanger">Larry Sanger</a> and other editors calling for a way to organize Wikipedia's content from a top-down approach. Should articles be organized by topic or discipline? Should Wikipedia catalog material using the <a href="/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_System" class="mw-redirect" title="Dewey Decimal System">Dewey Decimal System</a>, <a href="/wiki/Library_of_Congress_Classification" title="Library of Congress Classification">Library of Congress Classification</a>, or <a href="/wiki/Open_Directory_Project" class="mw-redirect" title="Open Directory Project">Open Directory Project</a>? Should content be navigable through category lists, <a href="/wiki/Topic_maps" class="mw-redirect" title="Topic maps">topic maps</a>, or an old-fashioned alphabetical list of every Wikipedia article? To be fair, Wikipedia had a much smaller collection of articles back then, so the idea of sifting through lists of articles didn't seem as absurd as it does today with the English Wikipedia sporting over 4 million articles. WikiProject Contents made for an interesting discussion board, but no plan of action or timetable for changes ever materialized. </p><p>As they talked, other projects sprouted and made their own decisions. Topic-specific WikiProjects categorized their own articles, created portals to serve as gateways to their unique fields, and introduced a variety of templates and metadata to make it all navigable. Meanwhile, the internet continued to evolve, leaving WikiProject Contents stuck in the past. Users simply searched for the information they needed rather than scrolling through long lists of articles. People discovered new things by following wikilinks rather than hunting through a complex classification system. An article's traffic was affected more by current events, social media posts, and <a href="/wiki/Google_Doodles" class="mw-redirect" title="Google Doodles">Google Doodles</a> than by people trying to read everything about Zoology by starting from the most general article and moving to specifics. </p><p>To stay relevant, WikiProject Contents tried to take up other pursuits like improving infoboxes and series templates, duplicating the efforts of other projects. It became unclear exactly what WikiProject Contents was intended for, leading one editor to mistakenly merge the project with Wikipedia's main page, resulting in the inactive WikiProject Contents becoming Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/WikiProject_watchers" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/WikiProject watchers">most-watched project</a>, an odd distinction that remains to this day. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Not_every_subject_needs_a_project" data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_every_subject_needs_a_project-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_every_subject_needs_a_project-signpost-article-title"></span>Not every subject needs a project<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_every_subject_needs_a_project-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>At first glance, <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Life_on_Mars" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Life on Mars">WikiProject Life on Mars</a></b> appears to be way ahead of its time... since we have yet to discover <a href="/wiki/Life_on_Mars" title="Life on Mars">life on Mars</a>. But the project has nothing to do with the red planet. WikiProject Life on Mars was created to focus on a <a href="/wiki/Life_on_Mars_(UK_TV_series)" class="mw-redirect" title="Life on Mars (UK TV series)">short-lived television series</a>, its <a href="/wiki/Ashes_to_Ashes_(TV_series)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Ashes to Ashes (TV series)">spinoff</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Life_on_Mars_(U.S._TV_series)" class="mw-redirect" title="Life on Mars (U.S. TV series)">foreign</a> <a href="/wiki/La_Chica_de_Ayer_(TV_series)" class="mw-redirect" title="La Chica de Ayer (TV series)">adaptations</a>. But can a scope this narrow support life at a full-fledged WikiProject? Apparently not. </p><p>This is where task forces come into play. Initially devised by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_History" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Military History">WikiProject Military History</a> as an organizational tool (hence the <a href="/wiki/Task_force" title="Task force">military term</a>), task forces are now widespread and serve as subdivisions within WikiProjects that allow for editors to focus on a narrower topic while still tapping the resources and user-base of the larger WikiProject. </p><p>In the realm of television, there are dozens of dead projects covering programs past and present. The larger, more active projects tend to cover television programs and franchises that have been going for many years, if not multiple generations. Wikipedia does not need a WikiProject for every television show that has ever been aired, nor is it beneficial for dead projects to sit around giving the illusion that the articles under that project's scope are being watched and maintained. Collaborating at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Television">WikiProject Television</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_British_TV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject British TV">WikiProject British TV</a> will get more attention and if Wikipedia really needs a space for your favorite television show, it should really be a task force. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="WikiProjects_are_not_a_joke" data-mw-thread-id="h-WikiProjects_are_not_a_joke-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WikiProjects_are_not_a_joke-signpost-article-title"></span>WikiProjects are not a joke<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WikiProjects_are_not_a_joke-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>Let's talk about <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nudity" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Nudity">WikiProject Nudity</a></b>. The project's flesh-colored page was created in 2008 on <a href="/wiki/April_Fools_Day" class="mw-redirect" title="April Fools Day">April Fools Day</a>. The first two editors listed on the project's membership page noted beside their names "no, it is not a joke! :)" and "this is the best april fools wikiproject ever." That's about as close as the project got to collaboration. The project's page has remained essentially unchanged since that first day. </p><p>Despite the lack of committed editors, WikiProject Nudity is actually a fairly well constructed project. The project's scope "aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of <a href="/wiki/Nudity" title="Nudity">nudity</a> and <a href="/wiki/Naturism" title="Naturism">naturism</a> related topics," with a respectable 219 articles tagged under the project's scope, including 2 Good Articles. The project's templates and categories remain functional. Clear connections were created between the project and Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED">policy of rejecting censorship</a>, meaning that the project had the potential to serve as a forum for discussion of Wikipedia policies rather than just a collection of articles about a single topic. Sadly, new editors have been posting questions on the project's talk page for years without any replies. Had WikiProject Nudity been created by a dedicated group of mature editors, it might have actually served a purpose. Ultimately, a WikiProject is not a page, nor is it a grouping of articles. A WikiProject is a community of editors working together to make Wikipedia better. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Don't_form_a_clique" data-mw-thread-id="h-Don't_form_a_clique-signpost-article-title"><span id="Don.27t_form_a_clique"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Don't_form_a_clique-signpost-article-title"></span>Don't form a clique<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Don't_form_a_clique-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>The history of <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Esperanza" title="Wikipedia:Esperanza">Esperanza</a></b> is best told by those who lived through that turbulent time in Wikipedia's past. But since few people want to talk about it today, editors unfamiliar with Esperanza should check out what remains of this project's page and the decent synopsis of the project's demise <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2007-01-02/Experanza" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2007-01-02/Experanza">published by the <i>Signpost</i></a> in 2007. Esperanza's story is one of good intentions gone awry. A thriving community where members could interact and grow became embroiled in internal politics, incivility, and secretive associations. Called a clique and a cabal (among other things), Esperanza was torn apart to form a variety of independent initiatives, most of which have failed over the past few years. </p><p>As noted in the above discussion of WikiProject Nudity, a true WikiProject is a community of editors, just like Esperanza aspired to be. However, Wikipedians have expectations as to how a community conducts itself. Wikipedia's communities are dedicated to openness and transparency. Anyone can contribute and discussions are not hidden behind closed doors. If a project grows large enough to need elected leadership, it is important that these leaders serve as coordinators for their communities rather than rulers of a fiefdom. Additionally, the programs sponsored by a WikiProject should in some way benefit Wikipedia's efforts toward building an encyclopedia, rather than serving merely as chat rooms and miscellaneous diversions. This doesn't mean that all WikiProjects are devoid of fun and friendship, but those pursuits must not become a project's overriding purpose. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Don't_be_all_talk_and_no_action" data-mw-thread-id="h-Don't_be_all_talk_and_no_action-signpost-article-title"><span id="Don.27t_be_all_talk_and_no_action"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Don't_be_all_talk_and_no_action-signpost-article-title"></span>Don't be all talk and no action<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Don't_be_all_talk_and_no_action-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>Articles should be articles. Essays should be essays. WikiProjects should be WikiProjects. When someone gets confused, you end up with something like <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Common_Sense" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Common Sense">WikiProject Common Sense</a></b>. </p><p>The project began with the noble goal of bringing common sense to all the articles and talkpages of Wikipedia. That's before they defined exactly what they meant by "common sense." The project's goals reads more like an essay covering senseless bickering on talkpages, treating people with respect, and not claiming that one's side is the truth. Rather than spreading common sense, WikiProject Common Sense became an essay about dispute resolution. But that's as far as the project got. </p><p>It's fine for a project to describe their ideal world, but the project won't go anywhere if they don't have a plan to achieve it. Join WikiProjects to improve Wikipedia. If you just want to vent, consider jotting your ideas in user space and then share them with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Essays" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Essays">WikiProject Essays</a>. </p><p>Next week's article should be accessible to all. 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To follow comments, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-30/WikiProject_report&action=watch">add the page to your watchlist</a>.</span> If your comment has not appeared here, you can try <span class="noprint plainlinks purgelink"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-30/WikiProject_report&action=purge"><span title="Purge this page">purging the cache</span></a></span>.</div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"><div class="nomobile"></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikiproject_Contents" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikiproject_Contents-2013-11-03T01:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikiproject_Contents-2013-11-03T01:28:00.000Z"></span>Wikiproject Contents<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikiproject_Contents-2013-11-03T01:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2013-11-03T01:28:00.000Z-Wikiproject_Contents"></span>That's a fairly inaccurate explanation of Wikiproject Contents, due to some page moves/merges in 2006 which confused everything. The talkpages (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Contents/Archive_1&action=history">eg</a>) were originally from <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Contents&oldid=31512031">WP:Reference pages</a> (c.2005), which was what eventually got moved to <a href="/wiki/Portal:Contents" class="mw-redirect" title="Portal:Contents">Portal:Contents</a>. 2005/2006 were the years of many redesigns, starting at the Main Page. WikiProject Contents was simply a set of pages to comprehensively list and organize what already existed - it started in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Contents&action=history">late 2007</a>. (If the author had asked for comments at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Contents" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Contents">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Contents</a>, we could've helped correct some of these misunderstandings before publication... –<a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quiddity" title="User talk:Quiddity">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-30/WikiProject_report#c-Quiddity-2013-11-03T01:28:00.000Z-Wikiproject_Contents" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2013-11-03T01:28:00.000Z-Wikiproject_Contents"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2013-11-03T01:28:00.000Z-Wikiproject_Contents"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mabeenot-2013-11-03T02:14:00.000Z-Quiddity-2013-11-03T01:28:00.000Z"></span>I'm sorry that we mistakenly traced the project to an older set of WP:Reference pages. Looking at the project's talk page, there was no indication that the earliest discussions had been transplanted from elsewhere or that further discussions were hidden away. Since the project has had no activity in months and is tagged as inactive, we didn't expect anyone to answer requests for more information. <a href="/wiki/User:Mabeenot" title="User:Mabeenot">–Mabeenot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mabeenot" title="User talk:Mabeenot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-30/WikiProject_report#c-Mabeenot-2013-11-03T02:14:00.000Z-Quiddity-2013-11-03T01:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:14, 3 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mabeenot-2013-11-03T02:14:00.000Z-Quiddity-2013-11-03T01:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mabeenot-2013-11-03T02:14:00.000Z-Quiddity-2013-11-03T01:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2013-11-03T05:18:00.000Z-Mabeenot-2013-11-03T02:14:00.000Z"></span>Sorry if I was a bit harsh; I know how much effort goes into these articles, and they're driven just by good curiosity and attempts at lesson sharing. But on the other hand, I'd commented at that talkpage in Sep 2013! :P –<a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quiddity" title="User talk:Quiddity">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-30/WikiProject_report#c-Quiddity-2013-11-03T05:18:00.000Z-Mabeenot-2013-11-03T02:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:18, 3 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2013-11-03T05:18:00.000Z-Mabeenot-2013-11-03T02:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2013-11-03T05:18:00.000Z-Mabeenot-2013-11-03T02:14:00.000Z"></span><br><div 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