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id="Random_style_tip" data-mw-thread-id="h-Random_style_tip"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Random_style_tip"></span>Random style tip<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Random_style_tip"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Random style tip"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <table align="center" style="width:65%; margin-top:0.5em; padding-top:1em; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; background-color:transparent; border:solid medium #ADD8E6; border-radius:15px;"> <tbody><tr> <td><span style="font-size:90%;"><span class="noprint plainlinks purgelink"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=purge"><span title="Purge this page">Another styletip</span></a></span> ...</span> <p><br/> </p> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Nuvola-inspired_File_Icons_for_MediaWiki-fileicon-doc-alt2.png/75px-Nuvola-inspired_File_Icons_for_MediaWiki-fileicon-doc-alt2.png" decoding="async" width="75" height="75" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Nuvola-inspired_File_Icons_for_MediaWiki-fileicon-doc-alt2.png/113px-Nuvola-inspired_File_Icons_for_MediaWiki-fileicon-doc-alt2.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Nuvola-inspired_File_Icons_for_MediaWiki-fileicon-doc-alt2.png 2x" data-file-width="120" data-file-height="120"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <div style="text-align: center;"><big><b>Presumptuous language</b></big></div> <p><br/> Avoid phrases such as <i>remember that</i> and <i>note that</i>, which address readers directly in an unencyclopedic tone. Similarly, phrases such as <i>of course</i>, <i>naturally</i>, <i>obviously</i>, <i>clearly</i>, and <i>actually</i> make presumptions about readers' knowledge, and call into question the reason for including the information in the first place. </p> <div align="right"> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Mos#Instructional_and_presumptuous_language" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Mos">Read more ...</a> </p> </div> <p><br/> </p> <p style="text-align:left; font-size:70%; color:gray;">Add this to your user page by typing in <b>{{Styletips}}</b></p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Barnstars_and_such" data-mw-thread-id="h-Barnstars_and_such-2008-02-27T02:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Barnstars_and_such-2008-02-27T02:05:00.000Z"></span>Barnstars and such<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Barnstars_and_such-2008-02-27T02:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Barnstars and such"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="middle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-2008-02-27T02:05:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Original_Barnstar.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Original_Barnstar.png/100px-Original_Barnstar.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="96" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Original_Barnstar.png 1.5x" data-file-width="111" data-file-height="107"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Original Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">I'm not sure why you haven't picked up a bevy of these already, but thanks for all your effort, particularly in tracking down good sources with diagrams, etc., on the photography- and color-related articles (not to mention fighting vandalism). Those areas of Wikipedia are much richer for your work. Cheers! —<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Jacobolus-2008-02-27T02:05:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-2008-02-27T02:05:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-2008-02-27T02:05:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusanLesch-2008-05-23T04:40:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Ivan_Sutherland_at_CHM.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Ivan_Sutherland_at_CHM.jpg/90px-Ivan_Sutherland_at_CHM.jpg" decoding="async" width="90" height="121" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Ivan_Sutherland_at_CHM.jpg/135px-Ivan_Sutherland_at_CHM.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Ivan_Sutherland_at_CHM.jpg/180px-Ivan_Sutherland_at_CHM.jpg 2x" data-file-width="420" data-file-height="564"/></a><figcaption>Ivan</figcaption></figure> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="middle"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Barnstar-camera.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Barnstar-camera.png/100px-Barnstar-camera.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="96" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Barnstar-camera.png 1.5x" data-file-width="111" data-file-height="107"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Photographer's Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">To Dicklyon on the occasion of your <a href="/wiki/File:Ivan_Sutherland_at_CHM.jpg" title="File:Ivan Sutherland at CHM.jpg">photograph</a> of <a href="/wiki/Ivan_Sutherland" title="Ivan Sutherland">Ivan Sutherland</a> and his birthday! What a great gift. -<a href="/wiki/User:SusanLesch" title="User:SusanLesch">User:SusanLesch</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-SusanLesch-2008-05-23T04:40:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusanLesch-2008-05-23T04:40:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusanLesch-2008-05-23T04:40:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="middle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spinningspark-2009-01-18T00:59:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Allaroundamazingbarnstar.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Allaroundamazingbarnstar.png" decoding="async" width="111" height="107" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="111" data-file-height="107"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>All Around Amazing Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">For your hard work in improving and watching over the Ohm's law article <b><a href="/wiki/User:Spinningspark" title="User:Spinningspark"><span style="background:#FFF090;color:#00C000">Sp<span style="background:#FFF0A0;color:#80C000">in<span style="color:#C08000">ni</span></span><span style="color:#C00000">ng</span></span><span style="color:#2820F0">Spark</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Spinningspark-2009-01-18T00:59:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spinningspark-2009-01-18T00:59:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spinningspark-2009-01-18T00:59:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wilhelm_meis-2009-05-06T14:29:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Original_Barnstar.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Original_Barnstar.png/100px-Original_Barnstar.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="96" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Original_Barnstar.png 1.5x" data-file-width="111" data-file-height="107"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Original Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">For your improvements to the <a href="/wiki/Centrifugal_force" title="Centrifugal force">Centrifugal force</a> articles. Your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UCS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UCS">common sense</a> approach of creating a summary-style article at the simplified title, explaining the broad concepts in a way that is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MTAA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MTAA">accessible to the general reader</a> and linking to the disambiguated articles, has provided Wikipedia's readership with a desperately needed place to explain in simple terms the basic concepts involved in understanding these related phenomena. <a href="/wiki/User:Wilhelm_meis" title="User:Wilhelm meis">Wilhelm_meis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wilhelm_meis" title="User talk:Wilhelm meis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Wilhelm_meis-2009-05-06T14:29:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wilhelm_meis-2009-05-06T14:29:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wilhelm_meis-2009-05-06T14:29:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="middle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Egg_Centric-2011-02-09T17:09:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Surreal_Barnstar.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Surreal_Barnstar.png/100px-Surreal_Barnstar.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Surreal_Barnstar.png 1.5x" data-file-width="126" data-file-height="126"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Surreal Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">For your comment <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=412938458#User:David_Tombe_is_being_abused_by_me">here</a> which at once admits your own errors with humility yet focusses our attention upon the real villain <a href="/wiki/User:Egg_Centric" title="User:Egg Centric">Egg Centric</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Egg_Centric" title="User talk:Egg Centric">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Egg_Centric-2011-02-09T17:09:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Egg_Centric-2011-02-09T17:09:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Egg_Centric-2011-02-09T17:09:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaleman87-2014-02-26T05:57:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Convict_Lake_Pano.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Convict_Lake_Pano.jpg/200px-Convict_Lake_Pano.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="69" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Convict_Lake_Pano.jpg/300px-Convict_Lake_Pano.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Convict_Lake_Pano.jpg/400px-Convict_Lake_Pano.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3600" data-file-height="1240"/></a><figcaption><a href="/wiki/Convict_Lake" title="Convict Lake">Convict Lake</a></figcaption></figure> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="middle"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Barnstar-camera.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Barnstar-camera.png/100px-Barnstar-camera.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="96" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Barnstar-camera.png 1.5x" data-file-width="111" data-file-height="107"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Photographer's Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">For your great contribution to Wikipedia in adding pictures and illustrations to articles improving the reader's experience by adding a visual idea to the written information.--<a href="/wiki/User:Xaleman87" title="User:Xaleman87">Xaleman87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaleman87" title="User talk:Xaleman87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Xaleman87-2014-02-26T05:57:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:57, 26 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaleman87-2014-02-26T05:57:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaleman87-2014-02-26T05:57:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Born2cycle-2015-02-03T23:25:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Special_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Special_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Special_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Special_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Special_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Special_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Special_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Special Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">I could not find a barnstar for standing up to an outrageously unjust block so you get a special one. Hang in there. <a href="/wiki/User:Born2cycle" title="User:Born2cycle">В²C</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Born2cycle#top" title="User talk:Born2cycle">☎</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Born2cycle-2015-02-03T23:25:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:25, 3 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Born2cycle-2015-02-03T23:25:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Born2cycle-2015-02-03T23:25:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RGloucester-2016-07-30T14:44:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Resilient_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Resilient_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Resilient_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Resilient_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Resilient_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Resilient_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Resilient_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Resilient Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">For your work in standardising article titles in line with the now consistent <a href="/wiki/MOS:JR" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:JR">MOS:JR</a> guidance, I present you this accolade. Your continued work in this regard, and in others, has been appreciated. It may have taken years, but much was accomplished. <a href="/wiki/User:RGloucester" title="User:RGloucester"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span></a> — <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RGloucester" title="User talk:RGloucester">☎</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-RGloucester-2016-07-30T14:44:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 30 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RGloucester-2016-07-30T14:44:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RGloucester-2016-07-30T14:44:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SMcCandlish-2017-12-13T19:41:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar.gif" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar.gif/100px-Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar.gif" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar.gif 1.5x" data-file-width="120" data-file-height="120"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Tireless Contributor Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">For an eternity of super-<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNOME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNOME">gnoming</a> at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">WP:Requested moves</a> to rein in entire swathes of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles" title="Wikipedia:Article titles">article-titling</a> chaos and bring them into <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">order</a>. I'm sure it can seem thankless work at times, so <i>thanks!</i> <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — <a href="/wiki/User:SMcCandlish" title="User:SMcCandlish"><b>SMcCandlish</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SMcCandlish" title="User talk:SMcCandlish">☏</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish" title="Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish">¢</a> ><sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>< </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-SMcCandlish-2017-12-13T19:41:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 13 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SMcCandlish-2017-12-13T19:41:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SMcCandlish-2017-12-13T19:41:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <table style="border: 2px solid lightgray; background-color: #fafafa"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="middle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lingelbach-2021-02-02T22:28:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Editor_of_the_week_barnstar.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Editor_of_the_week_barnstar.svg/100px-Editor_of_the_week_barnstar.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Editor_of_the_week_barnstar.svg/150px-Editor_of_the_week_barnstar.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Editor_of_the_week_barnstar.svg/200px-Editor_of_the_week_barnstar.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="100" data-file-height="100"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em; color:#606570"><b>Editor of the Week</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 2px solid lightgray">Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_of_the_Week" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Editor of the Week">Editor of the Week</a> in recognition of your great contributions! <span style="color:#a0a2a5">(courtesy of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WER"><span style="color:#80c0ff">Wikipedia Editor Retention Project</span></a>)</span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Buster7" title="User:Buster7">User:Buster7</a> submitted the following nomination for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_of_the_Week" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Editor of the Week">Editor of the Week</a>: </p> <dl><dd>It is said by many that <i><a href="/wiki/A_picture_is_worth_a_thousand_words" title="A picture is worth a thousand words">A picture is worth a thousand words</a></i>. Wikipedia articles are vastly improved and enhanced by the use of images. Dicklyon's user page displays just some of the over 500 images he has added to Wikipedia articles making the articles more enjoyable and interesting for our most important commodity, our reader. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Photography" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Photography">WP:Photography</a>. He is a long-time veteran editor with over 137000 edits (58% in mainspace) who always uses the edit summary to clarify his edits and communicate his intentions to following editors. He also participates in various timely and important <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">WP:Manual of Style</a> discussions to improve what and how we do things around here. A trusted, productive and helpful editor that deserves recognition as an Editor of the Week.</dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Original_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Original Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">I've started to note the many scholarly contributions of this author, beginning with editing of the Wikipedia Cintel pages. For images and vision, I've had a lifelong career in color grading for feature films, tv commercials, videos, etc. with telecine and other systems worldwide; as a musician, 'Human and Machine Hearing' will certainly be fascinating. Thank you to Richard F. Lyon for providing the PDF of this work to all. <pre><a href="/wiki/User:Lingelbach" title="User:Lingelbach">Lingelbach</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lingelbach&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Lingelbach (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Lingelbach-2021-02-02T22:28:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 2 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lingelbach-2021-02-02T22:28:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lingelbach-2021-02-02T22:28:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </pre> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="middle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wallnot-2021-05-13T02:49:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Original_Barnstar.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Original_Barnstar.png/100px-Original_Barnstar.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="96" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Original_Barnstar.png 1.5x" data-file-width="111" data-file-height="107"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>Fighting the Good Fight Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">For resisting those who would like Wikipedia’s capitalization rules to resemble a corporate brochure or a government press release —<a href="/wiki/User:Wallnot" title="User:Wallnot">Wallnot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wallnot" title="User talk:Wallnot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Wallnot-2021-05-13T02:49:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wallnot-2021-05-13T02:49:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wallnot-2021-05-13T02:49:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-05-30T19:20:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif/100px-Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif/150px-Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif/200px-Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif 2x" data-file-width="240" data-file-height="240"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Tireless Contributor Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">This is for your really thorough clean up after the Armenian genocide move discussion. My watchlist is full of your edits since days. <a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle">Paradise Chronicle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User talk:Paradise Chronicle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-05-30T19:20:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-05-30T19:20:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-05-30T19:20:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biggerj1-2021-11-10T15:57:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Graphic_Designer_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Graphic_Designer_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Graphic_Designer_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Graphic_Designer_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Graphic_Designer_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Graphic_Designer_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Graphic_Designer_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Graphic Designer's Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Biggerj1" title="User:Biggerj1">Biggerj1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biggerj1" title="User talk:Biggerj1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Biggerj1-2021-11-10T15:57:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 10 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biggerj1-2021-11-10T15:57:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biggerj1-2021-11-10T15:57:00.000Z-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asheiou-20230515194600-Barnstars_and_such"></span>that's for these hacks: </p> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Permutation_test_example_animation.gif" class="mw-file-description" title="Permutation test"><img alt="Permutation test" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Permutation_test_example_animation.gif/120px-Permutation_test_example_animation.gif" decoding="async" width="120" height="97" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Permutation_test_example_animation.gif/180px-Permutation_test_example_animation.gif 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Permutation_test_example_animation.gif/240px-Permutation_test_example_animation.gif 2x" data-file-width="519" data-file-height="419"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Permutation_test" title="Permutation test">Permutation test</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Correlogram_example.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Correlogram"><img alt="Correlogram" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Correlogram_example.png/120px-Correlogram_example.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="88" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Correlogram_example.png/180px-Correlogram_example.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Correlogram_example.png/240px-Correlogram_example.png 2x" data-file-width="1066" data-file-height="784"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Correlogram" title="Correlogram">Correlogram</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Correlogram_samples.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Correlogram"><img alt="Correlogram" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Correlogram_samples.png/120px-Correlogram_samples.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="89" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Correlogram_samples.png/180px-Correlogram_samples.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Correlogram_samples.png/240px-Correlogram_samples.png 2x" data-file-width="534" data-file-height="396"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Correlogram" title="Correlogram">Correlogram</a></div> </li> </ul> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Minor_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Minor_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Minor_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Minor_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Minor_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Minor_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Minor_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Minor barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">SO MANY MINOR EDITS! Thank you for your work. <a href="/wiki/User:Asheiou" title="User:Asheiou"><span style="font-family:Courier;color:#00ff00;0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;background:black">-<b>ASHEIOU </b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asheiou" title="User talk:Asheiou"><span style="font-family:Courier;color:#00ff00;0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;background:black">(THEY/THEM • TALK)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Asheiou-20230515194600-Barnstars_and_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asheiou-20230515194600-Barnstars_and_such"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asheiou-20230515194600-Barnstars_and_such"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20230516002300-Asheiou-20230515194600"></span>There we go again, commenting on the quantity of my edits instead of the quality. But minor thanks anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20230516002300-Asheiou-20230515194600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20230516002300-Asheiou-20230515194600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20230516002300-Asheiou-20230515194600"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_topics" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_topics"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_topics"></span>New topics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_topics"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: New topics"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dt>Add new topics at the bottom please.</dt></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage" data-mw-thread-id="h-M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage-20240724074000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage-20240724074000"></span><a href="/wiki/M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage" title="M40 Gun Motor Carriage">M40 Gun Motor Carriage</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage-20240724074000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: M40 Gun Motor Carriage"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=M40_gun_motor_carriage&diff=prev&oldid=1236303188"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000-M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage"></span>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=M40_gun_motor_carriage&diff=prev&oldid=1236303188</a> </p><p>Are you about to start <i>another</i> campaign to remove all capitalisation, despite going directly against all sources? <a href="/wiki/User:Andy_Dingley" title="User:Andy Dingley">Andy Dingley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley" title="User talk:Andy Dingley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000-M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000-M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000-M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=06845c31f6bc343b&sxsrf=ADLYWIJS-JXB1DMcxLsDxiKRZbuE6rPIdw:1721831036532&q=%22m40+gun+motor+carriage%22&tbm=bks&source=lnms&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWd8nbOJfsBGGB5IQQO6L3J_86uWOeqwdnV0yaSF-x2jogM63VUdBhAMVqo6r6ESHk5gYCycVYeSiTstipcfTqmJHGWyl0uJVRFOSrQ_UWiyXMTrB3DGLhC5G-ACymhRgfyx27lHEh0jX7vZV6vnVgydt5aBS3nKmaNpBcFguTv_Msr87RwC5WXgA1WW1iyf1J9ZVSmQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwipua668L-HAxUHLzQIHVAZAPUQ0pQJegQIEhAB&biw=1294&bih=643&dpr=1.1"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240724142600-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000"></span>Books</a> tend to lowercase that one, though there's a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=gun+motor+carriage&year_start=1920&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=1&case_insensitive=true">recent move toward caps</a> since Wikipedia starting capping them. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240724142600-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240724142600-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240724142600-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swatjester-20240724170500-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000"></span>Dicklyon, I'm going to request that you self-revert your moves of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interceptor_multi-threat_body_armor_system&diff=prev&oldid=1236344768">several</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Improved_Load_Bearing_Equipment&diff=prev&oldid=1236342191">load-bearing equipment</a>-related articles. You're clearly aware from our discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:All-purpose_Lightweight_Individual_Carrying_Equipment" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment">Talk:All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment</a> that there are editors out there who disagree with this change (me, for one). You should have started with a RM discussion, not unilaterally made what you should have known were going to be controversial moves. And now you're mass de-capitalizing what appears to be every single piece of military equipment on Wikipedia -- including several that are clearly proper names per <a href="/wiki/MOS:MILTERMS" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:MILTERMS">MOS:MILTERMS</a>? Where is the consensus for this change? Given your contentious history in this area, you should know better than this. Please self-revert before we have to take this further into dispute resolution. <a href="/wiki/User:Swatjester" title="User:Swatjester"><span style="color:red">⇒</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swatjester" title="User talk:Swatjester"><span style="font-family:Serif"><span style="color:black">SWAT</span><span style="color:goldenrod">Jester</span></span></a> <small><sup>Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!</sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Swatjester-20240724170500-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swatjester-20240724170500-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swatjester-20240724170500-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240724181800-Swatjester-20240724170500"></span>SJ, you seemed to have <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:All-purpose_lightweight_individual_carrying_equipment&diff=prev&oldid=1236058720">shut down discussion</a> where we were talking before (you introduced analogous topics and then said not to discuss them any more, so I stopped). As for the "Interceptor" one you linked, that's clearly the proper name, while the varying descriptor terms that follow are not part of the proper name. I'm willing to discuss any for which you think there's a case for proper name status, but I don't think there's a reason for me to revert a bunch of well-motivated work at this point. In particular, I don't understand Andy's point that started this section. Also the ALICE thing; it's easy to find sources that use lowercase (in sentence contexts), so per the criteria in <a href="/wiki/MOS:CAPS" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:CAPS">MOS:CAPS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCCAPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCCAPS">WP:NCCAPS</a>, we should not be treating it as a proper name. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240724181800-Swatjester-20240724170500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240724181800-Swatjester-20240724170500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240724181800-Swatjester-20240724170500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swatjester-20240724182800-Dicklyon-20240724181800"></span>I've not "shut down" discussion; I asked you to stay focused on the topic applicable to that page, to answer the direct question I repeatedly asked you (to justify your argument for why you believe the page is clearly not a proper name) and not veer off deeply into discussion of other articles simply because they were brought up as comparisons. And you know full well that <a href="/wiki/MOS:MILTERMS" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:MILTERMS">MOS:MILTERMS</a> states <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">The general rule is that wherever a military term is an accepted proper name, as indicated by consistent capitalization in sources, it should be capitalized. Where there is uncertainty as to whether a term is generally accepted, consensus should be reached on the talk page.</q> -- yet you've made no attempt whatsoever to reach that consensus in advance of your moves, in cases where there was actual uncertainty. If you don't believe there's a reason for you to revert what is clearly controversial work, simply because you were "well-motivated" for it, then I will simply have to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">revert it for you</a>, and we can have the discussion like we should have had from the beginning. But that's a very disappointing result. <a href="/wiki/User:Swatjester" title="User:Swatjester"><span style="color:red">⇒</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swatjester" title="User talk:Swatjester"><span style="font-family:Serif"><span style="color:black">SWAT</span><span style="color:goldenrod">Jester</span></span></a> <small><sup>Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!</sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Swatjester-20240724182800-Dicklyon-20240724181800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swatjester-20240724182800-Dicklyon-20240724181800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swatjester-20240724182800-Dicklyon-20240724181800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240724183300-Swatjester-20240724182800"></span>I will be happy to have an RM discussion on any that you revert. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240724183300-Swatjester-20240724182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240724183300-Swatjester-20240724182800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240724183300-Swatjester-20240724182800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swatjester-20240724191800-Dicklyon-20240724183300"></span>I've reverted the few ones that I'm intending to revert (and created talk page sections for them), so feel free to list away at this point. <a href="/wiki/User:Swatjester" title="User:Swatjester"><span style="color:red">⇒</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swatjester" title="User talk:Swatjester"><span style="font-family:Serif"><span style="color:black">SWAT</span><span style="color:goldenrod">Jester</span></span></a> <small><sup>Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!</sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Swatjester-20240724191800-Dicklyon-20240724183300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swatjester-20240724191800-Dicklyon-20240724183300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swatjester-20240724191800-Dicklyon-20240724183300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240724222500-Swatjester-20240724191800"></span>OK, I'll start a multi-RM on those few for now; we can discuss more later if needed. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240724222500-Swatjester-20240724191800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240724222500-Swatjester-20240724191800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240724222500-Swatjester-20240724191800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andy_Dingley-20240724193300-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000"></span>This should go to a topic ban. There is a <i>long</i> history of Dicklyon doing this (see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Motor_Gun_Boat" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Motor Gun Boat">Talk:Motor Gun Boat</a> and many naval articles, and even <a href="/wiki/Talk:Apollo_command_and_service_module#Requested_move_26_November_2018_-_to_lower/sentence_case" title="Talk:Apollo command and service module">Apollo Command Module</a>) and they have absolutely no interest in doing it any other way, regardless of policy, sources or other editors. <a href="/wiki/User:Andy_Dingley" title="User:Andy Dingley">Andy Dingley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley" title="User talk:Andy Dingley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Andy_Dingley-20240724193300-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andy_Dingley-20240724193300-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andy_Dingley-20240724193300-Andy_Dingley-20240724074000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240724214700-Andy_Dingley-20240724193300"></span>What you're showing is the long history of my moves and move proposals being in agreement with the community consensus. This is always based on policies, guidelines, and sources, though I know there are some who interpret those differently sometimes (e.g. you, often). <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240724214700-Andy_Dingley-20240724193300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240724214700-Andy_Dingley-20240724193300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240724214700-Andy_Dingley-20240724193300"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andy_Dingley-20240725104900-Dicklyon-20240724214700"></span>Two people shouting louder and more persistently is <i>not</i> consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:Andy_Dingley" title="User:Andy Dingley">Andy Dingley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley" title="User talk:Andy Dingley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Andy_Dingley-20240725104900-Dicklyon-20240724214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andy_Dingley-20240725104900-Dicklyon-20240724214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andy_Dingley-20240725104900-Dicklyon-20240724214700"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="On_my_moves" data-mw-thread-id="h-On_my_moves-M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage-20240730014500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-On_my_moves-M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage-20240730014500"></span>On my moves<span data-mw-comment-end="h-On_my_moves-M40_Gun_Motor_Carriage-20240730014500"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: On my moves"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240730014500-On_my_moves"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Andy_Dingley" title="User:Andy Dingley">Andy Dingley</a>:</span> since you're talking in various places about moves I've made without discussion, I thought I should clarify what I've been up to. You might note from my move log that I've moved about 500 titles so far this year, mostly from uppercase to lowercase. These are mostly without explicit discussion, though generally they follow patterns of previous discussions. At the same time, I've started many multi-RM discussions, resulting in over 1000 page moves for those where the discussion closed in favor of lowercasing (moves done by closers who declared the consensus to do so). In the case of the "gun motor carriage" and "howitzer motor carriage" and "mortar motor carriage" and such titles, those follow the consensus guideline at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MILCAPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MILCAPS">WP:MILCAPS</a>, and follow the precedent of five multi-RM discussions (none of which were started by me) on letter/number light tank, medium tank, heavy tank, armored car, etc. (and several of which I did not even comment in, and all of which were unanimously in support of lowercase). In doing post-move cleanup on over-capitalized links to those, I found myself editting lists where various other letter/number military vehicle titles were unnecessarily capped. For each of them, I looked at sources and verified that lowercase is not unusual before do the moves. I've been at this (among other things) for about a month, starting with <a href="/wiki/M1_Heavy_Tractor" class="mw-redirect" title="M1 Heavy Tractor">M1 Heavy Tractor</a> on June 30, it appears, and got very little reaction or pushback; mostly just some thanks (18 in the last 30 days, on case fixes and case discussion comments). When you opened this section (with an obnoxious unconstructive question), I pointed out the source evidence for why I had done the move. You didn't push back with anything like a serious claim that "Gun Motor Carriage" is a proper name, or other reason why you came to comment on it. You didn't revert the move, either. When people revert or make a serious complaint, I stop and discuss. You haven't done that. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240730014500-On_my_moves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240730014500-On_my_moves"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240730014500-On_my_moves"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Trout_from_Randy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trout_from_Randy-20240726143200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trout_from_Randy-20240726143200"></span>Trout from Randy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trout_from_Randy-20240726143200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Trout from Randy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240726143200-Trout_from_Randy"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Brook_trout" title="Brook trout">brook trout</a> is a resident of the Hudson River area, as were many artists of the <a href="/wiki/Hudson_River_School" title="Hudson River School">Hudson River School</a>. {{trout small}} <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn#top" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Randy_Kryn" title="Special:Contributions/Randy Kryn">contribs</a>) </small> </p> <dl><dd>Randy, I modified your unsigned trout a bit, to make it look more like discussion. I had not looked at that one; it was added to the RM later, by another user. As for the decapitalizations at the template, that's what I was doing before the RM, when I noticed some red links that motivated the RM, not the other way around. I might have done more there later; don't recall. But it was not in support of the RM as you suggested in your broad revert. No matter, we can fix it again after the RM. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240726143200-Trout_from_Randy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240726143200-Trout_from_Randy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240726143200-Trout_from_Randy"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20240726144500-Dicklyon-20240726143200"></span>I know another user added <a href="/wiki/Hudson_River_School" title="Hudson River School">Hudson River School</a> to your RM but you allowed it to stay, hence the trouting (I think that's the second trout I've ever given, a fine fish in but not out of water). The Hudson River School decapitalized! Appalling to say the yeast. As for the navbox, you gnu these lowercasings would be controversial, so another trout should have joined the first, which would have made the two fish a school. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20240726144500-Dicklyon-20240726143200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20240726144500-Dicklyon-20240726143200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20240726144500-Dicklyon-20240726143200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240726144700-Randy_Kryn-20240726144500"></span>I didn't actually know that a few of the schools might turn out to be controversial. I should have vetted that one (which I admit I had never heard of). Still, per our guidelines and the fair number of sources showing the caps to be unnecessary, I'd favor downcasing; I just wouldn't be confident that it would go that way. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240726144700-Randy_Kryn-20240726144500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240726144700-Randy_Kryn-20240726144500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240726144700-Randy_Kryn-20240726144500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20240726145400-Dicklyon-20240726144700"></span>Reasonable, thanks. Maybe that one should be removed and <a href="/wiki/User:BarrelProof" title="User:BarrelProof">BarrelProof</a> can put up his own RM if he still feels strongly about such a fishy endeavor. I haven't checked n-grams on any of the other schools, as vetting is usually a good plan. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20240726145400-Dicklyon-20240726144700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20240726145400-Dicklyon-20240726144700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20240726145400-Dicklyon-20240726144700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20240727000300-Dicklyon-20240726144700"></span>At least now you've become aware of the Hudson River School. They are a major part of American art history, as well as the history of depicting nature. They moved that art genre to a new level. If some of your good photographs were paintings they'd be something like what these guys were doing, a way of addressing and communicating nature to viewers. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20240727000300-Dicklyon-20240726144700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20240727000300-Dicklyon-20240726144700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20240727000300-Dicklyon-20240726144700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240727000600-Randy_Kryn-20240727000300"></span>Yes, thanks for filling that hole in my sorry education. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240727000600-Randy_Kryn-20240727000300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 27 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240727000600-Randy_Kryn-20240727000300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240727000600-Randy_Kryn-20240727000300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ANI_Thread_(Not_against_you)" data-mw-thread-id="h-ANI_Thread_(Not_against_you)-20240729194400"><span id="ANI_Thread_.28Not_against_you.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ANI_Thread_(Not_against_you)-20240729194400"></span>ANI Thread (Not against you)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ANI_Thread_(Not_against_you)-20240729194400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: ANI Thread (Not against you)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EducatedRedneck-20240729194400-ANI_Thread_(Not_against_you)"></span>Hi, I wanted to let you know that I mentioned you in an ANI thread at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#User:Andy_Dingley" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI#User:Andy Dingley</a>, regarding the behavior in the RM on <a href="/wiki/Talk:All-purpose_Lightweight_Individual_Carrying_Equipment" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment">Talk:All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment</a>. I don't think you need to do anything, but I wanted to make sure you were aware. <a href="/wiki/User:EducatedRedneck" title="User:EducatedRedneck">EducatedRedneck</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EducatedRedneck" title="User talk:EducatedRedneck">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-EducatedRedneck-20240729194400-ANI_Thread_(Not_against_you)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EducatedRedneck-20240729194400-ANI_Thread_(Not_against_you)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EducatedRedneck-20240729194400-ANI_Thread_(Not_against_you)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240729210500-EducatedRedneck-20240729194400"></span>Thanks, I left a comment there re his behavior on my talk page, too. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240729210500-EducatedRedneck-20240729194400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240729210500-EducatedRedneck-20240729194400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240729210500-EducatedRedneck-20240729194400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Page_move_edit_warring" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_move_edit_warring-20240801145100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Page_move_edit_warring-20240801145100"></span>Page move edit warring<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Page_move_edit_warring-20240801145100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Page move edit warring"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schierbecker-20240801145100-Page_move_edit_warring"></span>Dicklyon, I have noticed that you have been mass moving pages to sentence case (e.g. <a href="/wiki/M270_multiple_launch_rocket_system" class="mw-redirect" title="M270 multiple launch rocket system">M270 multiple launch rocket system</a>. I request that you please stop this unilaterally moving pages that have stable titles. <a href="/wiki/User:Schierbecker" title="User:Schierbecker">Schierbecker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schierbecker" title="User talk:Schierbecker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Schierbecker-20240801145100-Page_move_edit_warring" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schierbecker-20240801145100-Page_move_edit_warring"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schierbecker-20240801145100-Page_move_edit_warring"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240801150700-Schierbecker-20240801145100"></span>It's been a week since I had a move reverted or objected to, so I don't see why you used the heading you did here. The group of 3 that were reverted are being discussed at an RM. Are you objecting to the M270 one now, or was that just an example from my 5 moves per day over the last couple of days? I wouldn't call that mass moves. Feel free to revert any that you think I got wrong, and we can discuss them. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240801150700-Schierbecker-20240801145100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240801150700-Schierbecker-20240801145100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240801150700-Schierbecker-20240801145100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swatjester-20240801174700-Dicklyon-20240801150700"></span>I do think it's problematic that you're systematically mass moving titles of military articles to sentence case without going through an RFC or RM first, given that you're aware there's been objections to several of them already based on the same underlying core arguments that are, based on the current trend, unlikely to result in a consensus to move. That seems like a remarkably poor decision for someone who's been so recently blocked for move warring -- I would object to essentially all of these moves, but I don't have the energy to fight the same battle over and over. <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">In particular, a rapid cycle of editing these pages to reflect one's viewpoint, then discussing the changes is disruptive and should be avoided. Instead, parties are encouraged to establish consensus on the talk page first, and then make the changes.</q> -- finding of the Arbitration Committee in the MOS case, to which you were a party. You've clearly got an objection here (from Schierbecker). You should have been aware of the likelihood that there would be objection to making additional moves based on the RM discussion as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Swatjester" title="User:Swatjester"><span style="color:red">⇒</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swatjester" title="User talk:Swatjester"><span style="font-family:Serif"><span style="color:black">SWAT</span><span style="color:goldenrod">Jester</span></span></a> <small><sup>Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!</sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Swatjester-20240801174700-Dicklyon-20240801150700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swatjester-20240801174700-Dicklyon-20240801150700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swatjester-20240801174700-Dicklyon-20240801150700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240801211500-Swatjester-20240801174700"></span>We've had at least 5 RM discussions on military vehicle capitalizations, which closed unanimously for lowercase (mostly on tanks), and I haven't heard a specific complaint here from Schierbecker yet. I asked if he objected to that one, or just used it as an example of the fact that I'm doing moves to sentence case. Generally, I'm sensing some unease with the quantity of my work, but little or no specific complaints that I got something wrong. If you have a complaint, let's hear it, so we can discuss. As for "unilaterally moving pages that have stable titles", as FFF notes below, that's how article titles that get created in title case generally get fixed when someone gets around to it. Move warring would be moving titles that are not stable. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240801211500-Swatjester-20240801174700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240801211500-Swatjester-20240801174700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240801211500-Swatjester-20240801174700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240801160800-Schierbecker-20240801145100"></span>Schierbecker, "page move edit warring" doesn't seem like an applicable title here. Your request that DL "stop this unilaterally moving pages that have stable titles" is too broad. Most page moves are unilateral and uncontentious. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers" title="User talk:Firefangledfeathers">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240801160800-Schierbecker-20240801145100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240801160800-Schierbecker-20240801145100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240801160800-Schierbecker-20240801145100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FactGrid_redirect" data-mw-thread-id="h-FactGrid_redirect-20240802070400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FactGrid_redirect-20240802070400"></span>FactGrid redirect<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FactGrid_redirect-20240802070400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: FactGrid redirect"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Olaf_Simons-20240802070400-FactGrid_redirect"></span>Hi Dicklyon. You have redirected the page I created for [<a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q90405608">Wikidata Q90405608</a>] to University of Erfurt, where the information is basically lost. The important thing is not that FactGrid is hosted in Erfurt (it will move anyway). The important thing is that it is part of Germany's National Research Data Initiative NFDI, and I assume it fulfils the notability criteria in this range. </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FactGrid&direction=next&oldid=1209715004">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FactGrid&direction=next&oldid=1209715004</a> </p><p>As your redirect is basically a deletion I assume there is a deletion debate on it. Can you give me the link, so that I can see the rationale? --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Olaf_Simons-20240802070400-FactGrid_redirect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Olaf_Simons-20240802070400-FactGrid_redirect"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Olaf_Simons-20240802070400-FactGrid_redirect"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Olaf_Simons-20240802073200-Olaf_Simons-20240802070400"></span>Just realise you did not delete the page - it was <a href="/wiki/User:Alpha3031" title="User:Alpha3031">User:Alpha3031</a> - I'll ask him, thanks for the case fix. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Olaf_Simons-20240802073200-Olaf_Simons-20240802070400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Olaf_Simons-20240802073200-Olaf_Simons-20240802070400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Olaf_Simons-20240802073200-Olaf_Simons-20240802070400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240802144600-Olaf_Simons-20240802073200"></span>No problem. Case fixes I do. The rest I have no idea what you're talking about. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240802144600-Olaf_Simons-20240802073200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240802144600-Olaf_Simons-20240802073200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240802144600-Olaf_Simons-20240802073200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Olaf_Simons-20240802203300-Dicklyon-20240802144600"></span>Well the entire article is deleted - not the way this is usually done. (I was an admin for a decade, but I do not feel like intervening). --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Olaf_Simons-20240802203300-Dicklyon-20240802144600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Olaf_Simons-20240802203300-Dicklyon-20240802144600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Olaf_Simons-20240802203300-Dicklyon-20240802144600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240803003500-Olaf_Simons-20240802203300"></span>I reverted that, since I found no discussion about deleting or merging <a href="/wiki/FactGrid" title="FactGrid">FactGrid</a>. We'll see. It looks like it needs work. Maybe some of the "Further Reading" items can serve as sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240803003500-Olaf_Simons-20240802203300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240803003500-Olaf_Simons-20240802203300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240803003500-Olaf_Simons-20240802203300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Olaf_Simons-20240804100800-Dicklyon-20240803003500"></span>ZThank you - I will supply some more references, no problem. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Olaf_Simons-20240804100800-Dicklyon-20240803003500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Olaf_Simons-20240804100800-Dicklyon-20240803003500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Olaf_Simons-20240804100800-Dicklyon-20240803003500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Possible_Error_of_capitalization_of_Light_and_Medium_Tanks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possible_Error_of_capitalization_of_Light_and_Medium_Tanks-20240829202100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possible_Error_of_capitalization_of_Light_and_Medium_Tanks-20240829202100"></span>Possible Error of capitalization of Light and Medium Tanks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possible_Error_of_capitalization_of_Light_and_Medium_Tanks-20240829202100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Possible Error of capitalization of Light and Medium Tanks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829202100-Possible_Error_of_capitalization_of_Light_and_Medium_Tanks"></span>Hello Dicklyon. I often read through the US armored vehicle pages, and I have seen your recent capitalization changes to some of them, but I think there might be an error to them. I have this source, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/CatalogOfStandardOrdnanceItemsVolume1/mode/2up?view=theater">Catalog of Standard Ordnance Items from Office of the Chief of Ordnance Technical Division</a>, and for every single one (Light, Medium, Heavy, and Gun Motor Carriage), it capitalizes what it is, such as for the M4 Sherman, it is "Medium Tank, M4", and for the M3 Stuart, it is "Light Tank, M3". I might also be wrong, but shouldn't they stay capitalized? Also, shouldn't they stay full capitalized as they are a proper noun, and again, I might be wrong on this. <a href="/wiki/User:CloneCommanderFordo" title="User:CloneCommanderFordo">CloneCommanderFordo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CloneCommanderFordo" title="User talk:CloneCommanderFordo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829202100-Possible_Error_of_capitalization_of_Light_and_Medium_Tanks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829202100-Possible_Error_of_capitalization_of_Light_and_Medium_Tanks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829202100-Possible_Error_of_capitalization_of_Light_and_Medium_Tanks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240829213700-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829202100"></span>Yes, there are books that capitalize these, especially in "listings" and "catalogs" and such. But our criterion is about "consistently capitalized in sources". See <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon/MIL_precedents" title="User:Dicklyon/MIL precedents">User:Dicklyon/MIL precedents</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240829213700-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829202100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240829213700-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829202100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240829213700-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829202100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829215800-Dicklyon-20240829213700"></span>Alright, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:CloneCommanderFordo" title="User:CloneCommanderFordo">CloneCommanderFordo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CloneCommanderFordo" title="User talk:CloneCommanderFordo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829215800-Dicklyon-20240829213700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829215800-Dicklyon-20240829213700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CloneCommanderFordo-20240829215800-Dicklyon-20240829213700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Single_word_casings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Single_word_casings-20240830120500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Single_word_casings-20240830120500"></span>Single word casings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Single_word_casings-20240830120500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Single word casings"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20240830120500-Single_word_casings"></span>Hello. Quick question, how do you find casings for single words. I recall you mentioned there were 800 lowercased uses of 'Impressionism', and I couldn't figure out how to link to those. Sometimes I run across one, or the incorrectly lowercased 'neolithic', but it would be nice to have a list to work from. One of my latest is chipping away at uppercasing 'Iberian Peninsula', it was one of those over 800 uses incorrect casings (I've got it down to well under 500, Arabian Peninsula was another over-600 now trimmed to under 100). Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20240830120500-Single_word_casings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20240830120500-Single_word_casings"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20240830120500-Single_word_casings"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240830154900-Randy_Kryn-20240830120500"></span>Probably what you need in regular expression search, which is case sensitive. E.g. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&search=insource%3A%22Impressionism%22%20insource%3A%2Fimpressionism%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1">this</a>. The first insource:impressionsim uses the fast dictionary based search to narrow down to pages that contain that term, so the slow regex search won't chew up a lot of compute and time out before it's finished. then in "insource:/impressionism/", the stuff between slashes is treated as a regular expression, which is case sensitive and has all sorts of fancy matching features that I wont' try to describe, except to say that is you want to include a special character, such as a hyphen, you need to escaped it with a backslash, for if you want to look for "well-formed" hyphenated, you'd use insource:/well\-formed/. You can also use intitle: and other things. There's a page somewhere about WP search features. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240830154900-Randy_Kryn-20240830120500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240830154900-Randy_Kryn-20240830120500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240830154900-Randy_Kryn-20240830120500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20240830233700-Dicklyon-20240830154900"></span>A long and detailed response which I'll little understand, but that's a great link to well over 1,500 lowercased examples on English Wikipedia. I'll save your response somewhere to figure it out when things like 'neolithic' come up. Thanks for the education and assistance. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20240830233700-Dicklyon-20240830154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20240830233700-Dicklyon-20240830154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20240830233700-Dicklyon-20240830154900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240831042900-Randy_Kryn-20240830233700"></span>The gory details are at <a href="/wiki/Help:Searching" title="Help:Searching">Help:Searching</a> (shortcut <a href="/wiki/H:S" class="mw-redirect" title="H:S">H:S</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240831042900-Randy_Kryn-20240830233700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240831042900-Randy_Kryn-20240830233700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240831042900-Randy_Kryn-20240830233700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Voting_for_coordinators_is_now_open!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Voting_for_coordinators_is_now_open!-20240901064000"><span id="Voting_for_coordinators_is_now_open.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Voting_for_coordinators_is_now_open!-20240901064000"></span>Voting for coordinators is now open!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Voting_for_coordinators_is_now_open!-20240901064000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Voting for coordinators is now open!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240901064000-Voting_for_coordinators_is_now_open!"></span>Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election have opened. 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If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Coordinators" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators">current coord team</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240901064000-Voting_for_coordinators_is_now_open!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240901064000-Voting_for_coordinators_is_now_open!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240901064000-Voting_for_coordinators_is_now_open!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Info-gap_decision_theory" data-mw-thread-id="h-Info-gap_decision_theory-20240904173900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Info-gap_decision_theory-20240904173900"></span><a href="/wiki/Info-gap_decision_theory" title="Info-gap decision theory">Info-gap decision theory</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Info-gap_decision_theory-20240904173900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Info-gap decision theory"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sir_Kenneth_Kho-20240904173900-Info-gap_decision_theory"></span>Hi, you were by far the most experienced editor that participated during Info-gap dispute in 2007, yesterday another editor removed 100K unsourced materials, and today I stumbled upon it and explained the original dispute. Feel free to take a walk down the memory lane and see if it is worth revisiting, the state of the article is awful. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sir_Kenneth_Kho&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sir Kenneth Kho (page does not exist)">Sir Kenneth Kho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sir_Kenneth_Kho" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Sir Kenneth Kho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Sir_Kenneth_Kho-20240904173900-Info-gap_decision_theory" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sir_Kenneth_Kho-20240904173900-Info-gap_decision_theory"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sir_Kenneth_Kho-20240904173900-Info-gap_decision_theory"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20240905021200-Sir_Kenneth_Kho-20240904173900"></span>I don't even remember anything about that. But yes, it's a mess. I see there are <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22information+gap%22+%22theory%22+%22info+gap%22&btnG=">some sources in Google scholar</a> if you search for "information gap" and "theory". I'd say many of these are good secondary sources compared to the primary sources of the COI editors. But I don't know that I want to work on that, as I'm in the midst of some work projects, and just edit WP on easy stuff. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20240905021200-Sir_Kenneth_Kho-20240904173900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20240905021200-Sir_Kenneth_Kho-20240904173900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20240905021200-Sir_Kenneth_Kho-20240904173900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ANI" data-mw-thread-id="h-ANI-20240904214500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ANI-20240904214500"></span>ANI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ANI-20240904214500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: ANI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andy_Dingley-20240904214500-ANI"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/25px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/38px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/50px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span> There is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents</a> regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. 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You are invited to participate in <a href="/wiki/Talk:Siege_of_Gerona_(disambiguation)" title="Talk:Siege of Gerona (disambiguation)">the move discussion</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mdewman6" title="User:Mdewman6">Mdewman6</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mdewman6" title="User talk:Mdewman6">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Mdewman6-20241001041800-RM_discussion_at_Talk:Siege_of_Gerona_(disambiguation)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mdewman6-20241001041800-RM_discussion_at_Talk:Siege_of_Gerona_(disambiguation)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mdewman6-20241001041800-RM_discussion_at_Talk:Siege_of_Gerona_(disambiguation)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="+_−" data-mw-thread-id="h-+_−-20241004234200"><span id=".2B_.E2.88.92"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-+_−-20241004234200"></span><a href="/wiki/%2B_%E2%88%92" title="+ −">+ −</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-+_−-20241004234200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: + −"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BarrelProof-20241004234200-+_−"></span>Concerning <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%2B_%E2%88%92&diff=1159799022&oldid=1159798981">this</a>, please see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%2B_%E2%88%92&diff=1249412535&oldid=1247950534">this</a>. —⁠ ⁠<a href="/wiki/User:BarrelProof" title="User:BarrelProof">BarrelProof</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BarrelProof" title="User talk:BarrelProof">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-BarrelProof-20241004234200-+_−" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:42, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BarrelProof-20241004234200-+_−"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BarrelProof-20241004234200-+_−"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241004234400-BarrelProof-20241004234200"></span>Thanks. I'm a bit bummed and surprise to see that I did that wrong. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241004234400-BarrelProof-20241004234200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241004234400-BarrelProof-20241004234200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241004234400-BarrelProof-20241004234200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BarrelProof-20241004234700-Dicklyon-20241004234400"></span>Wikipedia's search function seems to encourage the confusion. —⁠ ⁠<a href="/wiki/User:BarrelProof" title="User:BarrelProof">BarrelProof</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BarrelProof" title="User talk:BarrelProof">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-BarrelProof-20241004234700-Dicklyon-20241004234400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BarrelProof-20241004234700-Dicklyon-20241004234400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BarrelProof-20241004234700-Dicklyon-20241004234400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Plates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Plates-20241006224400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Plates-20241006224400"></span>Plates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Plates-20241006224400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Plates"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20241006224400-Plates"></span>I know you think these are uncontroversial (and I'm not saying they're wrong), but please at least do a mass-RM for these plates rather than uniformly moving 70+ pages, and consult the relevant WikiProjects. <a href="/wiki/User:Flemmish_Nietzsche" title="User:Flemmish Nietzsche">Flemmish Nietzsche</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flemmish_Nietzsche" title="User talk:Flemmish Nietzsche">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20241006224400-Plates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20241006224400-Plates"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20241006224400-Plates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241006225500-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20241006224400"></span>For sure. After I moved <a href="/wiki/Iberian_Plate" class="mw-redirect" title="Iberian Plate">Iberian Plate</a> I noticed there are a whole bunch more, so I used quarry to make me a list, pruned it to the ones that are tectonic plates, and massaged the list into the RM. Thanks for caring. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241006225500-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20241006224400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241006225500-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20241006224400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241006225500-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20241006224400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Please_use_appropriate_edit_summaries" data-mw-thread-id="h-Please_use_appropriate_edit_summaries-20241010192700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Please_use_appropriate_edit_summaries-20241010192700"></span>Please use appropriate edit summaries<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Please_use_appropriate_edit_summaries-20241010192700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Please use appropriate edit summaries"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241010192700-Please_use_appropriate_edit_summaries"></span>Note that these (<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1250390204">[1]</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1250390664">[2]</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1250390603">[3]</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1250390462">[4]</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1250389958">[5]</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1250389883">[6]</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1250389842">[7]</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1250389775">[8]</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1250389744">[9]</a></span>) are not case fixes. Please use appropriate edit summaries, as the general edit summary of "case fix" on all of these is incorrect and misleading. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241010192700-Please_use_appropriate_edit_summaries" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241010192700-Please_use_appropriate_edit_summaries"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241010192700-Please_use_appropriate_edit_summaries"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241011061700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241010192700"></span>When I'm on a spree of fixing links to over-capitalized redirects such as <a href="/wiki/Bicycle_Motocross" class="mw-redirect" title="Bicycle Motocross">Bicycle Motocross</a>, I sometimes do the case fix by changing the link instead. In this case, the case-fixed <a href="/wiki/Bicycle_motocross" class="mw-redirect" title="Bicycle motocross">Bicycle motocross</a> is a redirect, too, to BMX, and it was piped to BMX, so the best fix was to just not pipe through a redirect. Sorry my short-form edit summary didn't capture that. I'll try to think of a better one. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241011061700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241010192700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241011061700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241010192700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241011061700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241010192700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move-20241013151100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move-20241013151100"></span>Wikipedia:Cleaning up after a move<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move-20241013151100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Cleaning up after a move"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calistemon-20241013151100-Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move"></span>Hi Dicklyon, could you please update the links in navboxes after page moves, as detailed in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move" title="Wikipedia:Cleaning up after a move">Wikipedia:Cleaning up after a move</a>? I have done so in <a href="/wiki/Template:Railway_lines_in_Western_Australia" title="Template:Railway lines in Western Australia">Template:Railway lines in Western Australia</a> for the three Western Australian railway line articles you recently moved but it's not guranteed that somebody else will always do this so the better option would be for the page mover to do so. <a href="/wiki/User:Calistemon" title="User:Calistemon">Calistemon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calistemon" title="User talk:Calistemon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Calistemon-20241013151100-Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calistemon-20241013151100-Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calistemon-20241013151100-Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241013221200-Calistemon-20241013151100"></span>That's pretty much what I spend my editing hours doing, cleaning up miscapitalization, mostly after moves. Not always immediately though, as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Linked_miscapitalizations" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations">Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations</a> helps me keep track of what needs fixing. Thanks for helping. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241013221200-Calistemon-20241013151100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241013221200-Calistemon-20241013151100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241013221200-Calistemon-20241013151100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-20241014024800-Dicklyon-20241013221200"></span>Thanks for the fixing the ocean of the miscapitalisations of the western australian railway set of articles, much appreciate your work, embarrassing to see how many were created on my shift... <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-JarrahTree-20241014024800-Dicklyon-20241013221200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-20241014024800-Dicklyon-20241013221200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-20241014024800-Dicklyon-20241013221200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241015041800-Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Calistemon" title="User:Calistemon">Calistemon</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a>:</span> Probably my work case fixing only scratches the surface. I appreciate your interest and help. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241015041800-Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241015041800-Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241015041800-Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_after_a_move"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-20241015055700-Dicklyon-20241015041800"></span>The consistency, persistence and leaving no point unturned, is much more appreciated than you can imagine! <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-JarrahTree-20241015055700-Dicklyon-20241015041800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-20241015055700-Dicklyon-20241015041800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-20241015055700-Dicklyon-20241015041800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-20241017005500-JarrahTree-20241015055700"></span>it is embarrassing to see how embedded/pervasive the capitalization issue had become - thank you for your persistence! <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-JarrahTree-20241017005500-JarrahTree-20241015055700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-20241017005500-JarrahTree-20241015055700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-20241017005500-JarrahTree-20241015055700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research" data-mw-thread-id="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research-20241023192600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research-20241023192600"></span>Invitation to participate in a research<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research-20241023192600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Invitation to participate in a research"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241023192600-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research"></span>Hello, </p><p>The Wikimedia Foundation is conducting a survey of Wikipedians to better understand what draws administrators to contribute to Wikipedia, and what affects administrator retention. 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Glad this has been caught early, and it would save other editors time if you did the reverts yourself. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300-Please_stop_changing_these_and_revert_back_to_"other_capitalization"_templates_f" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300-Please_stop_changing_these_and_revert_back_to_"other_capitalization"_templates_f"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300-Please_stop_changing_these_and_revert_back_to_"other_capitalization"_templates_f"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241026044500-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300"></span>Should ping <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a> who made the correct template edits to 'other capitalization'. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20241026044500-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241026044500-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20241026044500-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241026052800-Randy_Kryn-20241026044500"></span>The RM closer concluded <i>"X Plate" is not a proper name</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241026052800-Randy_Kryn-20241026044500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241026052800-Randy_Kryn-20241026044500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241026052800-Randy_Kryn-20241026044500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241026120300-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300"></span>Well, then the closer, <a href="/wiki/User:Sceptre" title="User:Sceptre">Sceptre</a>, made a good faith mistake. Their close seemed to rely on the AGU style guide for its reasoning (ignoring <i>Britannica</i> and the many other sources which cap, including Wikipedia uppercasing for well over 20 years). The AGU style guide specifically states: "The following may be either capitalized or lowercase except as indicated below: anticline, arc, bank, basin, butte, channel, crater (e.g., on Earth, the Moon, or Mars), fault, fold, formation, geyser, glacier, mount, plate, plateau, ridge, rill, strait, syncline, trench, trough, volcano. Be consistent throughout the paper. (...) plate (follow author within paper for capitalization)". AGU upper or lowercases, dependent on the author's use in their paper. In other words, a proper name is fine, just that the caps be consistent within the published paper. Aside for a formal request to overturn the close, which will be made at the author's talk page, this discussion and ping focus on you changing <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a>'s correct "from other capitalization" templates to mis-capitalization templates, and my request to change those back. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20241026120300-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241026120300-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20241026120300-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241026230300-Randy_Kryn-20241026120300"></span>WP style is to avoid unnecessary capitalization – to cap only if sources do so consistently. The AGU guide you're quoting makes it clear that caps are not necessary, so we use lowercase. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241026230300-Randy_Kryn-20241026120300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241026230300-Randy_Kryn-20241026120300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241026230300-Randy_Kryn-20241026120300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600-Dicklyon-20241026230300"></span>The question here is about using the "other capitalization" template, as <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a> did in good faith, or the "miscapitalization" template, as you did by changing SilverLocust's edits, on the <a href="/wiki/North_American_Plate" class="mw-redirect" title="North American Plate">North American Plate</a> for example. Uppercasing is the style of, among many other sources, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.britannica.com/science/North-American-Plate"><i>Britannica</i></a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.encyclopedia.com/gsearch?q=North+American+plate">Encylopedia.com</a>,<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/North+American+Plate">The Free Dictionary</a> and, importantly, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://geology.com/search/wide.shtml?cx=partner-pub-3777031107463803%3Atdk8edp0vwv&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=North+American+Plate&sa=Search&siteurl=geology.com%2F&ref=&ss=3212j583684j23&siteurl=geology.com%2F&ref=&ss=3213j584297j23">Geology.com</a>. Uppercasing the names of tectonic plates is not miscapitalization. It is a normal casing for these topics, which have been uppercased on Wikipedia for well over 20 years. Please revert your edits (the closer, <a href="/wiki/User:Sceptre" title="User:Sceptre">Sceptre</a>, may want to comment when they get back onsite). Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600-Dicklyon-20241026230300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600-Dicklyon-20241026230300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600-Dicklyon-20241026230300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sceptre-20241027115200-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600"></span>Hey. For the avoidance of doubt, the AGU style guide was helpful in pointing me down a certain path in the close, but it doesn't hinge on that fact. What was more compelling was the other evidence (such as ngrams) that there was a roughly even split between capitalisation and non-capitalisation. With it being <i>that</i> even, I don't think the use of title case really counts as a "miscapitalisation" but rather an "alternate capitalisation" (which our style guides discourage the use of in article titles, at least). For the sake of consistency between article title and running text, I would decapitalise the word "plate" in running text, but in the grand scheme of things, it isn't that important.</dd> <dd>FWIW, when it comes to the issue of other geologic features, I would like to say that this RM closure could be persuasive in future RMs, but shouldn't really be seen as carte blanche either.</dd> <dd>Remember, though, in the grand scheme of things, capitalisation of article titles isn't something you should lose sleep over. Just keep a little perspective, that's all. :) <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sceptre" title="User:Sceptre">Sceptre</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sceptre" title="User talk:Sceptre">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Sceptre-20241027115200-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sceptre-20241027115200-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sceptre-20241027115200-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241027121900-Sceptre-20241027115200"></span>Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Sceptre" title="User:Sceptre">Sceptre</a>. Not something to lose sleep over, but the casing of titles does affect how civilization views a topic, and uppercasing adds its importance as a proper name. Since tectonic plates are proper names in much of society, the "miscapitalization" casing templates are inaccurate and should be changed back to "other capitalization". <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20241027121900-Sceptre-20241027115200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241027121900-Sceptre-20241027115200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20241027121900-Sceptre-20241027115200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241027150600-Randy_Kryn-20241027121900"></span>Indeed, WP is unreasonably effective in influencing whether writers treat topic names as proper names or not. I've collected tons of example of where WP has been the leader in capitalizing, rather than the follower. I use the tagging as miscapitalization to help me track and fix capitalizations in running text, via the report <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Linked_miscapitalizations" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations">Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations</a>, though it's pretty much impossible to keep up with the load of fixing needed. Is there any other known use for the miscapitalization tag? <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241027150600-Randy_Kryn-20241027121900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241027150600-Randy_Kryn-20241027121900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241027150600-Randy_Kryn-20241027121900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilverLocust-20241027170800-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600"></span>I've received the pings, <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a>, I just didn't really want to rehash here the discussion from earlier this year about <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_miscapitalisation#Template_intent" title="Template talk:R from miscapitalisation">the purpose of each of these two redirect categories</a>. In any event, I'd suggest <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Database_reports" title="Wikipedia talk:Database reports">requesting</a> another database report for "other capitalisation", which should be straightforward to modify from the existing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Linked_miscapitalizations/Configuration" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations/Configuration">report</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilverLocust" title="User talk:SilverLocust">💬</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-SilverLocust-20241027170800-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilverLocust-20241027170800-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilverLocust-20241027170800-Randy_Kryn-20241027114600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241027171100-SilverLocust-20241027170800"></span>The list of links to redirects with "other capitalization" would not be very useful, as there are many thousands of them, and many of them don't need to be fixed, so the list could never be whittled down to where it's useful for maintenance. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241027171100-SilverLocust-20241027170800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241027171100-SilverLocust-20241027170800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241027171100-SilverLocust-20241027170800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241028132700-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300"></span>Note that I've gone through and added the alternative capitalization tag to all the relevant plate pages from the RM. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241028132700-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241028132700-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241028132700-Randy_Kryn-20241026044300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241028150500-Hey_man_im_josh-20241028132700"></span>Is that indicating that you don't think I should be fixing them where they occur capitalized in articles? Or is there some other reason why having them tagged as miscapitalization is a problem that you wanted to fix? <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241028150500-Hey_man_im_josh-20241028132700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241028150500-Hey_man_im_josh-20241028132700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241028150500-Hey_man_im_josh-20241028132700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300-Dicklyon-20241028150500"></span>We never really resolved the discussion about appropriate use of the templates (as best as I can recall). If we need to restart the conversation, this would not be the best place to do so. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers" title="User talk:Firefangledfeathers">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300-Dicklyon-20241028150500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300-Dicklyon-20241028150500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300-Dicklyon-20241028150500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241028154600-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300"></span>True, but Randy and Josh came here to tell me things, so I'm asking what's behind that. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241028154600-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241028154600-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241028154600-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241029023300-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a>:</span> maybe you'd be a good one to start such a conversation in an appropriate place? <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241029023300-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241029023300-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241029023300-Firefangledfeathers-20241028154300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029125800-Dicklyon-20241029023300"></span>Possibly, but it's so hard to care about something that will probably never affect a reader. Maybe there's a workaround that respects people's view that "miscapitalization" is erroneous while still allowing you to use database reports to fix style issues? Can we create a new hidden category expressly for this purpose?</dd> <dd>Or, is there any mechanism by which you could keep a list of redirects that are miscapitalized according to the MOS in your userspace or as a MOS subpage? It seems like it's mostly you tagging the redirects, and adding redirect titles to your list would probably not be more work. Presumably we could get a database report of which articles on the list have been linked to. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers" title="User talk:Firefangledfeathers">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029125800-Dicklyon-20241029023300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029125800-Dicklyon-20241029023300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029125800-Dicklyon-20241029023300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241029132700-Firefangledfeathers-20241029125800"></span>What is the benefit to Wikipedia to track "other" capitalizations that WP itself considers a miscapitalization? —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Bagumba-20241029132700-Firefangledfeathers-20241029125800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241029132700-Firefangledfeathers-20241029125800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241029132700-Firefangledfeathers-20241029125800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029134100-Bagumba-20241029132700"></span>So editors can review incoming links to those redirects and fix miscapitalizations in article text. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers" title="User talk:Firefangledfeathers">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029134100-Bagumba-20241029132700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029134100-Bagumba-20241029132700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029134100-Bagumba-20241029132700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241029135300-Firefangledfeathers-20241029134100"></span>{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_miscapitalisation" title="Template:R from miscapitalisation">R from miscapitalisation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> would do that. But it seems like some people want the equivalent of an additional <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:R_from_other_capitalisation_that_needs_fixing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:R from other capitalisation that needs fixing (page does not exist)">R from other capitalisation that needs fixing</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. How would that improve WP for readers?—<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Bagumba-20241029135300-Firefangledfeathers-20241029134100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241029135300-Firefangledfeathers-20241029134100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241029135300-Firefangledfeathers-20241029134100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029140500-Bagumba-20241029135300"></span>I don't think it would, compared to just letting the miscap cat be applied to pages that WP itself considers a miscapitalization. There are others who disagree with the idea of labeling pages miscapitalizations when so many sources consider them correct. I presume the thought is that readers who come across these redirects (rare) and view the categories (rarer) will think it odd/weird/wrong/offensive that a miscapitalization category is being applied to something they think is correct. I'm speculating. Maybe they'll chime in. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers" title="User talk:Firefangledfeathers">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029140500-Bagumba-20241029135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029140500-Bagumba-20241029135300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029140500-Bagumba-20241029135300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600-Dicklyon-20241028150500"></span>As previously discussed, you're well aware that that's not what I'm doing by fixing mistagged pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600-Dicklyon-20241028150500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600-Dicklyon-20241028150500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600-Dicklyon-20241028150500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241029153100-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600"></span>That's not really an explanation of why you don't want these labels used as they seem to be intended to be used. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241029153100-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241029153100-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241029153100-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029153800-Dicklyon-20241029153100"></span>Rehash it at the relevant venue because we obviously, still, disagree on the purpose of these. I stand by the fact that words have meaning and classifying these as "errors" is not as accurate as the text from <a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_alternative_capitalization" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:R from alternative capitalization">Template:R from alternative capitalization</a>, which states <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">It leads to the title in accordance with the Wikipedia naming conventions for capitalisation</q>. If it's a capitalization used in the real world, which is acceptable in contexts, which these appear to be based on scientific sources which capitalize the term, then classifying them as errors is incorrect. Yes yes, you're going to mention the maintenance report, but a single maintenance report that you focus on and utilize does not mean we should improperly categorize these. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029153800-Dicklyon-20241029153100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029153800-Dicklyon-20241029153100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029153800-Dicklyon-20241029153100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241029160000-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600"></span>Dick, you probably know this search pathway, but if not, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Atacama_desert">just use things like this</a>. It's how I do case runs (and do so by sight not with a tool, that way other things on the page often pop out). <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20241029160000-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241029160000-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20241029160000-Hey_man_im_josh-20241029124600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241029160300-Randy_Kryn-20241029160000"></span>Yes, I know how to do "what links here". But that requires another method to manually come up with redirect titles to check, one by one. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241029160300-Randy_Kryn-20241029160000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241029160300-Randy_Kryn-20241029160000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241029160300-Randy_Kryn-20241029160000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241030010900-Dicklyon-20241029160300"></span>Not sure what you mean (a bot does something?). The method I mentioned is what I use to find linked casing mistakes (in this edit-run, uppercasing of 'Atacama_desert'). One by one, and I'll get back to that now and do a few more. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Randy_Kryn-20241030010900-Dicklyon-20241029160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20241030010900-Dicklyon-20241029160300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20241030010900-Dicklyon-20241029160300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241030043200-Randy_Kryn-20241030010900"></span>Yes, every day a bot updates the maintenance report at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Linked_miscapitalizations" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations">Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241030043200-Randy_Kryn-20241030010900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241030043200-Randy_Kryn-20241030010900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241030043200-Randy_Kryn-20241030010900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Casing_of_faults" data-mw-thread-id="h-Casing_of_faults-20241026054800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Casing_of_faults-20241026054800"></span>Casing of faults<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Casing_of_faults-20241026054800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Casing of faults"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dora_the_Axe-plorer-20241026054800-Casing_of_faults"></span>Is there a reason why you moved these two articles (Philippine fault system, Marikina Valley fault system) without RM for all other fault-related articles? <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Dora_the_Axe-plorer" title="User:Dora the Axe-plorer">Dora the Axe-plorer</a></b></i> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dora_the_Axe-plorer" title="User talk:Dora the Axe-plorer">explore</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dora_the_Axe-plorer-20241026054800-Casing_of_faults" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dora_the_Axe-plorer-20241026054800-Casing_of_faults"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dora_the_Axe-plorer-20241026054800-Casing_of_faults"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241026164900-Dora_the_Axe-plorer-20241026054800"></span>Yes, I moved them because I saw they were over-capitalized relative to reliable sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241026164900-Dora_the_Axe-plorer-20241026054800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241026164900-Dora_the_Axe-plorer-20241026054800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241026164900-Dora_the_Axe-plorer-20241026054800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900-Dicklyon-20241026164900"></span>Well, here's our list of fault zones (<a href="/wiki/List_of_fault_zones" title="List of fault zones">List of fault zones</a>). Can you please go through a requested move with these as well, so we can maintain uniformity throughout? <a href="/wiki/User:Dawnseeker2000" title="User:Dawnseeker2000"><span style="font-variant: small-caps"><i>Dawnseeker2000</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900-Dicklyon-20241026164900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900-Dicklyon-20241026164900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900-Dicklyon-20241026164900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241027000200-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900"></span>I'm preparing to do an RM on "* Fault System", as these are pretty much more often lowercase in sources (and about half capped on WP), whereas there are a lot of proper-named faults. Consistency may not be achievable. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241027000200-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241027000200-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241027000200-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241027151000-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900"></span>I looked at a few more of the 13 with capped Fault System, and several are consisently capitalized in sources (e.g. <a href="/wiki/North_Island_Fault_System" title="North Island Fault System">North Island Fault System</a>), while others are clearly descriptive and appear in sources lowercase if at all (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Valeriano_Fault_System" title="Valeriano Fault System">Valeriano Fault System</a>). I'll have to study them all and decide what RM to do. Consistency will definitely not be achievable (and there were already a bunch with lowercase "fault system" before my recent moves). <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241027151000-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241027151000-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241027151000-Dawnseeker2000-20241026233900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Universal_Carrier" data-mw-thread-id="h-Universal_Carrier-20241106032400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Universal_Carrier-20241106032400"></span><a href="/wiki/Universal_Carrier" title="Universal Carrier">Universal Carrier</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Universal_Carrier-20241106032400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Universal Carrier"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kierzek-20241106032400-Universal_Carrier"></span>Like the recent move as to the Austin Armoured Car n/k/a Austin armoured car article title, don't you think the UC article title should be changed, as well. The article is related to "a family of light armoured tracked vehicles", therefore, a group and not one specific armoured tracked vehicle. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Kierzek" title="User:Kierzek">Kierzek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kierzek" title="User talk:Kierzek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Kierzek-20241106032400-Universal_Carrier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kierzek-20241106032400-Universal_Carrier"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kierzek-20241106032400-Universal_Carrier"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andy_Dingley-20241106042300-Kierzek-20241106032400"></span>Except that you're as wrong on that as you are on the capitalisation. The Universal Carrier was not another name for the Bren Carrier, it was a different vehicle. It was not a group, they were specific and different vehicles; although the Universal Carrier was intended to replace all of the earlier more-specific types with a single one. <a href="/wiki/User:Andy_Dingley" title="User:Andy Dingley">Andy Dingley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andy_Dingley" title="User talk:Andy Dingley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Andy_Dingley-20241106042300-Kierzek-20241106032400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andy_Dingley-20241106042300-Kierzek-20241106032400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andy_Dingley-20241106042300-Kierzek-20241106032400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241106051800-Kierzek-20241106032400"></span>I found the article and sources on that one rather confusing. From some, it seemed that "carrier" was generic and "Universal" was the name. But I see that idea was found wanting. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241106051800-Kierzek-20241106032400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241106051800-Kierzek-20241106032400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241106051800-Kierzek-20241106032400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kierzek-20241106081100-Dicklyon-20241106051800"></span>Andy, I was not “wrong”, I only quoted the article language in my query and was working under the premise that the article was written correctly by the regular editors of same. At any rate, I am leave it up to you gentlemen to handle this matter. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Kierzek" title="User:Kierzek">Kierzek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kierzek" title="User talk:Kierzek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Kierzek-20241106081100-Dicklyon-20241106051800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kierzek-20241106081100-Dicklyon-20241106051800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kierzek-20241106081100-Dicklyon-20241106051800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Battles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Battles-20241113033400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Battles-20241113033400"></span>Battles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Battles-20241113033400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Battles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BarrelProof-20241113033400-Battles"></span>I invite you to have a look at <a href="/wiki/Seven_Days_Battles" title="Seven Days Battles">Seven Days Battles</a> and <a href="/wiki/Historical_Medieval_Battles" title="Historical Medieval Battles">Historical Medieval Battles</a>. I might as well mention <a href="/wiki/Talk:First_battle_of_%C3%96land_(1564)#Requested_move_13_November_2024" title="Talk:First battle of Öland (1564)">Talk:First battle of Öland (1564)#Requested move 13 November 2024</a>, although you'll probably rapidly notice that without prompting. And <a href="/wiki/Talk:First_and_Second_Battles_of_El_Teb#Requested_move_13_November_2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:First and Second Battles of El Teb">Talk:First and Second Battles of El Teb#Requested move 13 November 2024</a>, of course. —⁠ ⁠<a href="/wiki/User:BarrelProof" title="User:BarrelProof">BarrelProof</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BarrelProof" title="User talk:BarrelProof">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-BarrelProof-20241113033400-Battles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:34, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BarrelProof-20241113033400-Battles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BarrelProof-20241113033400-Battles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Seven_Days_Battles" title="Seven Days Battles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dicklyon-20241113035600-BarrelProof-20241113033400"></span>Seven Days Battles</a> is like so many topics that were <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=The+Seven+Days+Battles&year_start=1980&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=0&case_insensitive=true">half or less capped before WP capped them</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Dicklyon" title="User:Dicklyon">Dicklyon</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dicklyon#c-Dicklyon-20241113035600-BarrelProof-20241113033400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:56, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dicklyon-20241113035600-BarrelProof-20241113033400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dicklyon-20241113035600-BarrelProof-20241113033400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_and_military_historian_of_the_year" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_a-20241116042000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_a-20241116042000"></span>Nominations now open for the WikiProject Military history newcomer of the year and military historian of the year<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_a-20241116042000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Nominations now open for the WikiProject Military history newcomer of the year and military historian of the year"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241116042000-Nominations_now_open_for_the_WikiProject_Military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_a"></span>Nominations now open for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_History" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Military History">WikiProject Military History</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards/MHNOTY" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/MHNOTY">newcomer of the year</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards/MHOTY" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/MHOTY">military historian of the year</a> awards for 2024! 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