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class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826125100-NPOV_Discussion"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> I would like to check with you with regards to the discussion at NPOV board where you commented. According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSP">WP:RSP</a>, The Economist is considered generally reliable. However some editors argue that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.economist.com/united-states/2024/06/27/research-into-trans-medicine-has-been-manipulated">this Economist article</a> is an opinion piece, because WP:RSP also states that "The Economist publishes exclusively articles in editorial voice with no byline". Referring to this statement - on tone and writing, some editors consider every Economist article to be an opinion piece, and therefore not suitable for use in Wikipedia. In my opinion, that certainly contradicts the strong community consensus that The Economist is generally reliable, which was reached at the last RFC: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_393#RfC:_The_Economist">[1]</a> Also, in that RFC, I don't see any consensus for the wording about The Economist publishing articles <i>exclusively</i> in editorial voice. Checking through history, I see that this wording was introduced by one user: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AReliable_sources%2FPerennial_sources&diff=1100075440&oldid=1100058414">[2]</a>, who referred to his own comments here: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources/Archive_7#Contradictory_criteria_of_reliability_wrt_opinion">[3]</a> Previous wording appeared to suggest that The Economist published both regular articles and editorial pieces. I don't see that The Economist article in question is identified as an opinion piece on The Economist website, and blanket dismissal of all Economist articles is in my view against Wikipedia policies and general consensus. I would like to have some guidance on this, as it seems the longer this difference in opinion continues without admin guidance, the more agitated the disagreeing user(s) are becoming, and the goal here is progress and updating the article, rather than getting in to a back and forth. What would be your advice in this situation? Should I raise this question at WP:RSP again? <a href="/wiki/User:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User:Sean Waltz O'Connell">Sean Waltz O'Connell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User talk:Sean Waltz O'Connell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826125100-NPOV_Discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826125100-NPOV_Discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826125100-NPOV_Discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826125100"></span>I would suggest asking at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSN">WP:RSN</a>, which has more viewers. I do think Economist doesn't distinguish clearly between opinion and fact, but maybe there's a better way of saying so; "exclusively in editorial voice" seems a bit off to me. Incidentally, it's not true that the current description makes the Economist not suitable for use here, just that attribution is needed. It's a very reputable publication, and most topics that aren't bursting at the seams with reliable non-opinion sources should probably include any relevant Economist commentary. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826125100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826125100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826125100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826172500-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200"></span>Much obliged for the comment, I will follow your advice. <a href="/wiki/User:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User:Sean Waltz O'Connell">Sean Waltz O'Connell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User talk:Sean Waltz O'Connell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826172500-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826172500-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240826172500-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200"></span>Firefangledfeathers</a> Hi there! Apologies for reaching out again, but I would greatly appreciate some further experienced guidance on the dispute resolution process. The recent discussion at WP:RSN resulted in a consensus that not every Economist article should be considered an opinion piece, and that it is up to editors to discern which parts of an Economist article are news reporting and which are commentary. Consequently, the cited Economist report should not be dismissed under RSOPINION. With this understanding, I believe the RSP entry needs to be updated to reflect the community’s stance. What would be the best way to go about making this change?</dd> <dd>Additionally, the argument that news reports are unacceptable based on WP:MEDRS was also not upheld, as WP:MEDPOP provides a clear exception. This leaves us with objections based on WP:DUE. I am wondering, how many reliable sources are generally required to establish that a topic is DUE? For instance, the story about Dr. Levine's pressure to remove minimum age requirements for treatment has been reported by The Economist, The New York Times, The Hill, and The Telegraph, all of which are recognized as reliable sources per WP:RSP. I have not included mentions from lesser-known outlets, focusing only on highly reputable ones. Moreover, this issue sparked public debate, as evidenced by op-eds in prominent outlets like The Washington Post, The NYT, and The Guardian. While op-eds aren’t considered reliable sources themselves, and while not RS, their presence indicates the topic has garnered significant attention. Furthermore, the U.S. administration responded to the NYT reports by denying its involvement, strongly suggesting it may have been Dr. Levine’s personal initiative. Adding to this, the U.S. Congress Subcommittee on Health Care and Financial Services has launched an investigation, seeking documents related to health officials' interactions with WPATH based on the NYT's reporting. All these factors point to a significant controversy covered by numerous reliable sources.</dd> <dd>The user opposing the inclusion of this material claims it is already covered in the SOC8 article, but I have not been able to find it there. Moreover, it seems unlikely that a story reported in 2024 would be included in discussions of reports from 2022, which are referenced in that article. My final question is: what would be the best way to request opinions on the assertion that the issue of external influence on WPATH's decision-making is already covered in another article?</dd> <dd>I really appreciate your time and any advice you can provide on these matters. Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User:Sean Waltz O'Connell">Sean Waltz O'Connell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User talk:Sean Waltz O'Connell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900-Firefangledfeathers-20240826131200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240906123100-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900"></span>I'll be able to check out the discussions later today. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240906123100-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240906123100-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240906123100-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900"></span>If I'm reading the article talk page discussion right, the thing the other editor said was at the SOC article is <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>This version of the protocol gives no specific age limits for treatments, emphasizing the need to decide individually for each patient. An earlier draft would have required several years of transgender identity before an adolescent could begin treatment. After criticism from transgender advocates, this provision was removed in the final release.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>I assume you're looking for a version that mentions Levine's advocacy specifically. Since other editors feel content about the SOC is better suited to its own article, have you considered expanding there first? It would be reasonable, I think, to assess how due the content is at SOC before assessing how the expanded/altered version there should be summarized at the WPATH article. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240906081900"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240909103100-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200"></span>Firefangledfeathers</a> thank you for the consideration, and the advice. Per your suggestion, I added the information with attribution to the sources <a href="/wiki/User:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User:Sean Waltz O'Connell">Sean Waltz O'Connell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User talk:Sean Waltz O'Connell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240909103100-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240909103100-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240909103100-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240910122800-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200"></span>Firefangledfeathers</a> I see that User:Raladic has removed the mention of Dr. Levine, and the reference to The Economist has also been removed, despite the community confirming that it is a reliable source. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Standards_of_Care_for_the_Health_of_Transgender_and_Gender_Diverse_People&diff=1244848853&oldid=1244833444">[4]</a> Initially, the concern raised was about the reliability of the sources cited, such as The Economist, on the WPATH page. However, it seems that the underlying issue, according to what i see in the reversion, might be more about the content itself rather than the validity of the sources.</dd> <dd>The entire controversy revolves around the involvement of this particular official, Dr. Levine, in influencing WPATH's decisions, which is documented by multiple reliable sources. How can this removal be justified when it has already been established that these sources are valid and notable? Is this not an example of tendentious editing? <a href="/wiki/User:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User:Sean Waltz O'Connell">Sean Waltz O'Connell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User talk:Sean Waltz O'Connell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240910122800-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240910122800-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240910122800-Firefangledfeathers-20240907015200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240910122800"></span>I think the best next step is talk page discussion. Feel free to ping me and I should be able to get to it soon. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240910122800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240910122800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240910122800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240913091500-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000"></span>Firefangledfeathers</a> ok great, I will follow your input on this matter. <a href="/wiki/User:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User:Sean Waltz O'Connell">Sean Waltz O'Connell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User talk:Sean Waltz O'Connell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240913091500-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240913091500-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240913091500-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a>, First off, thanks for all the assistance you provided so far, much appreciated. I'm generally alright with the present wording at SOC article. I proposed some minor tweaks for precision, you may wish to check them too.</dd> <dd>Regarding the Economist article about the Hopkins University reports. The opinions at WP:NPOVN about the inclusion of this information are split almost equally. I think if the involved editors cannot reach an agreement, maybe it is worth asking the larger community to weigh in? Looking over at WP:DR, I see that requests for comment are mentioned as an option to request community-wide input on article content. Do you think I should try it to get the discussion out of the deadlock? <a href="/wiki/User:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User:Sean Waltz O'Connell">Sean Waltz O'Connell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User talk:Sean Waltz O'Connell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900-Firefangledfeathers-20240910123000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raladic-20240919202000-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900"></span>No, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FORUMSHOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FORUMSHOP">WP:FORUMSHOPing</a> further after a point has been discussed at one, or in this case three (article talk, NPOVN and RSN), separate venues is not a way to find another series of discussions.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_consensus" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:No consensus">WP:No consensus</a> for a change is a common outcome of discussions, in which case we typically follow the principles of status quo against the inclusion of the proposed additions. That is the basis of most editing on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Raladic-20240919202000-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20240919202000-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20240919202000-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900"></span>The Hopkins stuff has always seemed weak to me. If I'm recalling correctly, the only non-op-ed source discussing the matter is <i>The Economist</i>, and it just says "there's evidence to suggest" some improper influence. Raladic's point about the evidence coming from SEGM seems strong to me.</dd> <dd>That said, I disagree with Raladic that an RfC would be forum shopping. The dispute was founded on reliability and NPOV matters, so posts at the two relevant noticeboards were appropriate. The RSN discussion ended favorably toward you, roughly speaking, and NPOVN is looking like no consensus. An RfC is a reasonable next step. I still wouldn't recommend it, unless there's stronger sourcing out there. Speaking just based on my own personal impression, I think you're coming off a little tendentious—since this matter has sprawled and so dominated your recent editing activity—and Raladic is coming off a little stonewall-y. I would encourage you both to avoid future behavior that increases those impressions or fits them into a larger pattern. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240919164900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raladic-20240920151800-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100"></span>Point taken, noted. I do apologize if it came across as stonewall-y.</dd> <dd>I wasn't trying to be stonewall-y (and as such we did collaborate on the expansion on the other content at the SOC article on the age story as that one was well sourced and I did say that it was welcome to be expanded there).</dd> <dd>I just think that on the Hopkins story that it was weakly sourced and not picked up by any other reputable, non-opinion, sources, as you also pointed out now, so I'd just like to hope we can stop expending more energy across yet another forum on it now, unless future better RS comes along to support it. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Raladic-20240920151800-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20240920151800-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20240920151800-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240920152100-Raladic-20240920151800"></span>You certainly don't have to apologize to me, though I do always enjoy seeing Wikipedians admit some room for improvement. Surprisingly rare! <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240920152100-Raladic-20240920151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240920152100-Raladic-20240920151800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240920152100-Raladic-20240920151800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240921093600-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100"></span>Thank you very much for your advice. Sorry if my recent edits seemed a bit tendentious—this was certainly not my intention. My goal was simply to enhance Wikipedia articles with well-supported content from highly reliable sources, following consensus with other editors and the broader Wikipedia community. That’s why I’ve made an effort to seek outside guidance and consult with others to ensure the accuracy and balance of my contributions.</dd> <dd>I understand your concerns and will take them to heart, stepping back from this topic for a while to focus on other areas, as the topic certainly took up a good deal of time. Regarding The Economist, I had just wanted to note that it is known for rigorous fact-checking and accuracy. Four mainstream news outlets have even published op-eds discussing The Economist's report, which, to me, indicated a broad acceptance of the information's credibility and its impact on public debate. However, since you’ve advised against an RFC at this time, I’ll hold off on pursuing that route, and will not develop this topic until/ unless there are more sources and developments available regarding the Economist Hopkins report.</dd> <dd>Thank you to everyone for the collaboration. While we may not always agree, I believe we’ve shown that it’s possible to resolve disputes civilly and in keeping with Wikipedia’s principles of respect for the rules and one another. <a href="/wiki/User:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User:Sean Waltz O'Connell">Sean Waltz O'Connell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User talk:Sean Waltz O'Connell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240921093600-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240921093600-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20240921093600-Firefangledfeathers-20240920151100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20241105162000-NPOV_Discussion"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> I’d like to update you on recent developments related to our prior conversation. In the above communication, I heeded your advice to step away from the WPATH topic unless more reliable sources become available. As other users pointed out at <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Professional_Association_for_Transgender_Health#Reversion_of_objective_edit">[5]</a>, recently, The British Medical Journal (BMJ) published its own investigation into the controversies surrounding WPATH, particularly the alleged suppression of Johns Hopkins reviews—a topic first highlighted by The Economist—and the Rachel Levine controversy. Given the recognition of The Economist as reliable at RSPSS, and the BMJ article being a peer-reviewed scholarly source, along with additional op-eds in other mainstream outlets, would I be mistaken to believe that there can be no policy-based objections to the inclusion of this information in the article about WPATH? On a side note, in your experience, how many reliable sources are needed in general for the reported information to be included? <a href="/wiki/User:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User:Sean Waltz O'Connell">Sean Waltz O'Connell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean_Waltz_O%27Connell" title="User talk:Sean Waltz O'Connell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20241105162000-NPOV_Discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20241105162000-NPOV_Discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20241105162000-NPOV_Discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241109170500-Sean_Waltz_O'Connell-20241105162000"></span>I wouldn't say "no policy-based objections", but the case for inclusion is certainly stronger. 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To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter_list" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter list">here.</a> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240826170900-New_pages_patrol_September_2024_Backlog_drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240826170900-New_pages_patrol_September_2024_Backlog_drive"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240826170900-New_pages_patrol_September_2024_Backlog_drive"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Hydronym89_on_Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui_(19:13,_26_August_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Hydronym89_on_Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui_(19:13,_26_August_2024)-20240826191300"><span id="Question_from_Hydronym89_on_Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui_.2819:13.2C_26_August_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Hydronym89_on_Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui_(19:13,_26_August_2024)-20240826191300"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Hydronym89" title="User:Hydronym89">Hydronym89</a> on <a href="/wiki/Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui" title="Joseph Al-Zehlaoui">Joseph Al-Zehlaoui</a> (19:13, 26 August 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Hydronym89_on_Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui_(19:13,_26_August_2024)-20240826191300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Question from Hydronym89 on Joseph Al-Zehlaoui (19:13, 26 August 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hydronym89-20240826191300-Question_from_Hydronym89_on_Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui_(19:13,_26_August_2024)"></span>Heya, I have no idea how this works, but this article is missing a pretty important section on the controversy surrounding his deposition. When I write it up do you mind letting me ping you to take a look at it to make sure I'm covering a sensitive topic like this correctly? --<a href="/wiki/User:Hydronym89" title="User:Hydronym89">Hydronym89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hydronym89" title="User talk:Hydronym89">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Hydronym89-20240826191300-Question_from_Hydronym89_on_Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui_(19:13,_26_August_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hydronym89-20240826191300-Question_from_Hydronym89_on_Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui_(19:13,_26_August_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hydronym89-20240826191300-Question_from_Hydronym89_on_Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui_(19:13,_26_August_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240827013900-Hydronym89-20240826191300"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Hydronym89" title="User:Hydronym89">Hydronym89</a>. Sure! <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240827013900-Hydronym89-20240826191300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240827013900-Hydronym89-20240826191300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240827013900-Hydronym89-20240826191300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hydronym89-20240829164500-Firefangledfeathers-20240827013900"></span>Perfect! I added the section, as well as wrote out some information on the talk page that may be relevant <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joseph_Al-Zehlaoui</a> please advise! <a href="/wiki/User:Hydronym89" title="User:Hydronym89">Hydronym89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hydronym89" title="User talk:Hydronym89">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Hydronym89-20240829164500-Firefangledfeathers-20240827013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hydronym89-20240829164500-Firefangledfeathers-20240827013900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hydronym89-20240829164500-Firefangledfeathers-20240827013900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240829164900-Hydronym89-20240829164500"></span>I'll be able to check it out in the next few hours. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240829164900-Hydronym89-20240829164500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240829164900-Hydronym89-20240829164500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240829164900-Hydronym89-20240829164500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lumbarschen" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lumbarschen-20240830112300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lumbarschen-20240830112300"></span>Lumbarschen<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lumbarschen-20240830112300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Lumbarschen"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Khirurg-20240830112300-Lumbarschen"></span>Hello, the user whom you recently p-blocked is now edit-warring at <a href="/wiki/Epirus" title="Epirus">Epirus</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Epirus&action=history">[6]</a>. Also almost certainly a sock of the indeffed <a href="/wiki/User:Arbe21_21" title="User:Arbe21 21">Arbe21 21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arbe21_21" title="User talk:Arbe21 21">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arbe21_21" title="Special:Contributions/Arbe21 21">contribs</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg">Khirurg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Khirurg" title="User talk:Khirurg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Khirurg-20240830112300-Lumbarschen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Khirurg-20240830112300-Lumbarschen"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Khirurg-20240830112300-Lumbarschen"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lumbarschen-20240830112700-Khirurg-20240830112300"></span>Wow, "edit warring" and accusing me to be someone. I reverted an Edit which is more accurate than the cited source that was there about "Epirus is the northwestern area of ancient Greece" while it talked about modern Greece, i'm not edit warring but i'm reverting an edit which has a better source than the ones that were cited before <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Lumbarschen" title="User:Lumbarschen">Lumbarschen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lumbarschen#top" title="User talk:Lumbarschen">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lumbarschen" title="Special:Contributions/Lumbarschen">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Lumbarschen-20240830112700-Khirurg-20240830112300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lumbarschen-20240830112700-Khirurg-20240830112300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lumbarschen-20240830112700-Khirurg-20240830112300"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Lumbarschen" title="User:Lumbarschen"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830120900-Lumbarschen-20240830112700"></span>Lumbarschen</a>, you <i>are</i> edit warring. Even though you only reverted once, it was participation in an edit war over that version. I'm not going to sanction for it, but if this pattern continues, you are likely going to be blocked or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic banned</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830120900-Lumbarschen-20240830112700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830120900-Lumbarschen-20240830112700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830120900-Lumbarschen-20240830112700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830120900-Khirurg-20240830112300"></span>Khirurg</a>, based on a quick look, I'm not seeing the connection as obvious. If you have evidence, please file at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPI">WP:SPI</a> (you can ping me, and I'll check it out if I can). <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830120900-Khirurg-20240830112300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830120900-Khirurg-20240830112300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830120900-Khirurg-20240830112300"></span></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lumbarschen-20240830124100-Lumbarschen"></span>Firefangledfeathers</a> But why am i "Edit warring" when i'm simply reverting a better option for that page? May i please know it? And how am i supposed to Edit or Revert more accurate things without "edit warring"? At this point i just should stop editing since none of my edit or reverts seems to be useful and is considered edit warring <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Lumbarschen" title="User:Lumbarschen">Lumbarschen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lumbarschen#top" title="User talk:Lumbarschen">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lumbarschen" title="Special:Contributions/Lumbarschen">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Lumbarschen-20240830124100-Lumbarschen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lumbarschen-20240830124100-Lumbarschen"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lumbarschen-20240830124100-Lumbarschen"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Lumbarschen" title="User:Lumbarschen"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830132000-Lumbarschen-20240830124100"></span>Lumbarschen</a>, please read through <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EW">the edit warring policy</a>. If you have any questions, ask them. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830132000-Lumbarschen-20240830124100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830132000-Lumbarschen-20240830124100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240830132000-Lumbarschen-20240830124100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Khirurg-20240831110900-Firefangledfeathers-20240830132000"></span>And still edit-warring <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Epirus&diff=1243216515&oldid=1243111424">[7]</a>. Note the edit summary is dishonest, that edit is anything <i>but</i> a "small adjustment with a better source". Also, this user is almost certainly a sock, the SPI can be found here: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Arbe21_21">[8]</a>. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg">Khirurg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Khirurg" title="User talk:Khirurg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Khirurg-20240831110900-Firefangledfeathers-20240830132000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Khirurg-20240831110900-Firefangledfeathers-20240830132000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Khirurg-20240831110900-Firefangledfeathers-20240830132000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soetermans-20240831120700-Khirurg-20240831110900"></span>I've reverted them. Now, I might not know a lot about Epirus, but I find it very hard to believe that <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Epirus&diff=prev&oldid=1243216515">"the cited source on "Epirus being the northwestern area of ancient Greece" seems to refer to modern Greece rather than ancient Greece"</a> when the source is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.nl/books?id=bVWcAQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA527&vq=epirus&pg=PA527#v=onepage&q&f=false">The Oxford Classical Dictionary</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Soetermans" title="User:Soetermans"><span style="font-variant:small-caps">soetermans</span></a>. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soetermans" title="User talk:Soetermans"><sup>↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><b>TALK</b></span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Soetermans-20240831120700-Khirurg-20240831110900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soetermans-20240831120700-Khirurg-20240831110900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soetermans-20240831120700-Khirurg-20240831110900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soetermans-20240831121500-Soetermans-20240831120700"></span>Edit warring continues. I've <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=prev&oldid=1243252415">reported them</a>, seeing Firefangledfeathers hasn't been active for a couple of hours and might be getting a good night's sleep, hopefully. <a href="/wiki/User:Soetermans" title="User:Soetermans"><span style="font-variant:small-caps">soetermans</span></a>. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soetermans" title="User talk:Soetermans"><sup>↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><b>TALK</b></span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Soetermans-20240831121500-Soetermans-20240831120700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soetermans-20240831121500-Soetermans-20240831120700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soetermans-20240831121500-Soetermans-20240831120700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240831154700-Soetermans-20240831121500"></span>A restful sleep and a nice family weekend morning. I blocked the user for 48h for the edit warring. Hope to look at the SPI soon. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240831154700-Soetermans-20240831121500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240831154700-Soetermans-20240831121500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240831154700-Soetermans-20240831121500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="statutory_city_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-statutory_city_help-20240907174800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-statutory_city_help-20240907174800"></span>statutory city help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-statutory_city_help-20240907174800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: statutory city help"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seananony-20240907174800-statutory_city_help"></span>Thanks for your help. It was easier than I thought. I'd not created a page before. <a href="/wiki/User:Seananony" title="User:Seananony">Seananony</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seananony" title="User talk:Seananony">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Seananony-20240907174800-statutory_city_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seananony-20240907174800-statutory_city_help"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seananony-20240907174800-statutory_city_help"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240908013400-Seananony-20240907174800"></span>No problem, <a href="/wiki/User:Seananony" title="User:Seananony">Seananony</a>. Congrats on your first page creation! <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240908013400-Seananony-20240907174800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240908013400-Seananony-20240907174800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240908013400-Seananony-20240907174800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_MWinter4_(09:03,_9_September_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_MWinter4_(09:03,_9_September_2024)-20240909090300"><span id="Question_from_MWinter4_.2809:03.2C_9_September_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_MWinter4_(09:03,_9_September_2024)-20240909090300"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:MWinter4" title="User:MWinter4">MWinter4</a> (09:03, 9 September 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_MWinter4_(09:03,_9_September_2024)-20240909090300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Question from MWinter4 (09:03, 9 September 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MWinter4-20240909090300-Question_from_MWinter4_(09:03,_9_September_2024)"></span>I accidently created the article <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Direct_sum_(polytope_theory)">Direct sum (polytope theory)</a> in main space. I actually wanted to create it in my user space. Waqar moved it to drafts, but I would really prefer it to remain in my user space without a redirect from a draft page. Can you move it to my user space? --<a href="/wiki/User:MWinter4" title="User:MWinter4">MWinter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MWinter4" title="User talk:MWinter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-MWinter4-20240909090300-Question_from_MWinter4_(09:03,_9_September_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MWinter4-20240909090300-Question_from_MWinter4_(09:03,_9_September_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MWinter4-20240909090300-Question_from_MWinter4_(09:03,_9_September_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240909130900-MWinter4-20240909090300"></span>Hey <a href="/wiki/User:MWinter4" title="User:MWinter4">MWinter4</a>. So moved. I believe you have all the user rights necessary to enact such moves in the future, <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240909130900-MWinter4-20240909090300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240909130900-MWinter4-20240909090300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240909130900-MWinter4-20240909090300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MWinter4-20240909131200-Firefangledfeathers-20240909130900"></span>Thank you. I was hoping to leave no redirect from the draft page since it was created unintentionally. This was also the reason why I did not move myself. <a href="/wiki/User:MWinter4" title="User:MWinter4">MWinter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MWinter4" title="User talk:MWinter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-MWinter4-20240909131200-Firefangledfeathers-20240909130900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MWinter4-20240909131200-Firefangledfeathers-20240909130900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MWinter4-20240909131200-Firefangledfeathers-20240909130900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240909131400-MWinter4-20240909131200"></span>Sorry. I misread that "without". The redirect is at least potentially useful to someone else, and it's relatively harmless. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240909131400-MWinter4-20240909131200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240909131400-MWinter4-20240909131200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240909131400-MWinter4-20240909131200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Barnstar_Award" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Barnstar_Award-20240909213700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Barnstar_Award-20240909213700"></span>Re: Barnstar Award<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Barnstar_Award-20240909213700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Re: Barnstar Award"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:top;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TriosLosDios-20240909213700-Re:_Barnstar_Award"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Barnstar-Megaphone.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Wikipedia Motivation Award"><img alt="Wikipedia Motivation Award" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Barnstar-Megaphone.png/100px-Barnstar-Megaphone.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="66" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Barnstar-Megaphone.png/150px-Barnstar-Megaphone.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Barnstar-Megaphone.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="118"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Wikipedia Motivation Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;">Appreciation for all your Motivation within Wikipedia Community TriosLosDios </td></tr></tbody></table> <pre><a href="/wiki/User:TriosLosDios" title="User:TriosLosDios">TriosLosDios</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TriosLosDios" title="User talk:TriosLosDios">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-TriosLosDios-20240909213700-Re:_Barnstar_Award" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TriosLosDios-20240909213700-Re:_Barnstar_Award"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TriosLosDios-20240909213700-Re:_Barnstar_Award"></span> </pre> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910004800-TriosLosDios-20240909213700"></span>What a kindness! Many thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:TriosLosDios" title="User:TriosLosDios">TLD</a>! <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910004800-TriosLosDios-20240909213700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910004800-TriosLosDios-20240909213700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910004800-TriosLosDios-20240909213700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Create_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Create_article-20240910155800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Create_article-20240910155800"></span>Create article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Create_article-20240910155800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Create article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZZ510-20240910155800-Create_article"></span>Hello my dear friend. I want to write an article. Please allow me to make an article because I have translated many articles. <a href="/wiki/User:ZZ510" title="User:ZZ510">ZZ510</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZZ510" title="User talk:ZZ510">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-ZZ510-20240910155800-Create_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZZ510-20240910155800-Create_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZZ510-20240910155800-Create_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100-ZZ510-20240910155800"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:ZZ510" title="User:ZZ510">ZZ510</a>, and welcome to Wikipedia. If you have a background as a translator, your experience will be very useful here. You may want to get started by translating articles that exist on other language Wikipedias. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation" title="Wikipedia:Translation">Wikipedia:Translation</a> has info on this process. Whether you're translating an article or creating a brand new one, you'll want to start in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRAFT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRAFT">draftspace</a>. You won't be able to create a new page in our main article space until you're <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOCONF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOCONF">autoconfirmed</a>, which will happen once you've made 10 edits and been around at least four days. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100-ZZ510-20240910155800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100-ZZ510-20240910155800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100-ZZ510-20240910155800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZZ510-20240910213900-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100"></span>Thanks my dear friend. <a href="/wiki/User:ZZ510" title="User:ZZ510">ZZ510</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZZ510" title="User talk:ZZ510">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-ZZ510-20240910213900-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZZ510-20240910213900-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZZ510-20240910213900-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZZ510-20240924124600-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100"></span>Hello my manager, the article <a href="/w/index.php?title=Alireza_Hashemzadeh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Alireza Hashemzadeh (page does not exist)">Alireza Hashemzadeh</a> was Labeled and has good sources because I translated it from Arabic Wikipedia. Remove the label and thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:ZZ510" title="User:ZZ510">ZZ510</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZZ510" title="User talk:ZZ510">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-ZZ510-20240924124600-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZZ510-20240924124600-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZZ510-20240924124600-Firefangledfeathers-20240910161100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800-ZZ510-20240924124600"></span>The template at the top of the article is directing any interested editors to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alireza_Hashemzadeh" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alireza Hashemzadeh">the deletion discussion</a>. The nominator is suggesting that much or all of the content in the article is fake. If you are aware of strong sources that support the content, please comment about them in the discussion. The template should not be removed until the discussion is concluded, at which point someone else will do it. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800-ZZ510-20240924124600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800-ZZ510-20240924124600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800-ZZ510-20240924124600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZZ510-20240924142600-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800"></span>Well, I will find more sources and let you know to remove the template. <a href="/wiki/User:ZZ510" title="User:ZZ510">ZZ510</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZZ510" title="User talk:ZZ510">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-ZZ510-20240924142600-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZZ510-20240924142600-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZZ510-20240924142600-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZZ510-20240924183800-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800"></span>Hello my manager, I added 9 resources to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Alireza_Hashemzadeh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Alireza Hashemzadeh (page does not exist)">Alireza Hashemzadeh</a>, check them and remove the template. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:ZZ510" title="User:ZZ510">ZZ510</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZZ510" title="User talk:ZZ510">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-ZZ510-20240924183800-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZZ510-20240924183800-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZZ510-20240924183800-Firefangledfeathers-20240924140800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:ZZ510" title="User:ZZ510"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240924192700-ZZ510-20240924183800"></span>ZZ510</a>, the template is not going to be removed until the deletion discussion has concluded. This usually takes a week. While the discussion is running, you should make a comment and explain why the article shouldn't be deleted. The discussion is at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alireza_Hashemzadeh" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alireza Hashemzadeh">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alireza Hashemzadeh</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240924192700-ZZ510-20240924183800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240924192700-ZZ510-20240924183800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240924192700-ZZ510-20240924183800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZZ510-20240925093700-Firefangledfeathers-20240924192700"></span>Can you make a comment? <a href="/wiki/User:ZZ510" title="User:ZZ510">ZZ510</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZZ510" title="User talk:ZZ510">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-ZZ510-20240925093700-Firefangledfeathers-20240924192700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZZ510-20240925093700-Firefangledfeathers-20240924192700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZZ510-20240925093700-Firefangledfeathers-20240924192700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925120800-ZZ510-20240925093700"></span>No. My goal as a mentor is to guide you to resources and answer questions. I won't get directly involved in your disputes. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925120800-ZZ510-20240925093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:08, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925120800-ZZ510-20240925093700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925120800-ZZ510-20240925093700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZZ510-20240926112100-Firefangledfeathers-20240925120800"></span>OK <a href="/wiki/User:ZZ510" title="User:ZZ510">ZZ510</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZZ510" title="User talk:ZZ510">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-ZZ510-20240926112100-Firefangledfeathers-20240925120800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZZ510-20240926112100-Firefangledfeathers-20240925120800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZZ510-20240926112100-Firefangledfeathers-20240925120800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_64" data-mw-thread-id="h-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_64-20240911163400"><span id="Books_.26_Bytes_.E2.80.93_Issue_64"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_64-20240911163400"></span>Books & Bytes – Issue 64<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_64-20240911163400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Books & Bytes – Issue 64"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> <div style="font-size: 1.5em; margin: 0 100px;"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240911163400-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_64"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bookshelf.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Bookshelf.jpg/175px-Bookshelf.jpg" decoding="async" width="175" height="116" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Bookshelf.jpg/263px-Bookshelf.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Bookshelf.jpg/350px-Bookshelf.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2987" data-file-height="1986"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure></div> <div style="line-height: 1.2;"> <p><span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"><b>The Wikipedia Library</b>: <i>Books & Bytes</i></span><br/> Issue 64, July – August 2024 </p> </div> <div style="margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em;"> <ul><li>The Hindu Group joins The Wikipedia Library</li> <li>Wikimania presentation</li> <li>New user script for easily searching The Wikipedia Library</li></ul> <p><big><b><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/July-August_2024" class="extiw" title="m:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/July-August 2024">Read the full newsletter</a></b></big> </p> </div> </div> <p><small>Sent by <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" class="extiw" title="m:User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240911163400-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_64" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240911163400-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_64"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240911163400-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_64"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks-20240912145400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks-20240912145400"></span>Thanks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks-20240912145400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Thanks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raladic-20240912145400-Thanks"></span>Hey, just wanted to drop a quick note of thanks for your note on the talk discussion. I try to hold back, but sometimes it can get exceedingly frustrating when having to rehash the same things over and over, so thanks for your note on the tone :) <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Raladic-20240912145400-Thanks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20240912145400-Thanks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20240912145400-Thanks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240912145600-Raladic-20240912145400"></span>Thanks for holding back and stepping back! <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240912145600-Raladic-20240912145400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240912145600-Raladic-20240912145400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240912145600-Raladic-20240912145400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="African_American_History_Page" data-mw-thread-id="h-African_American_History_Page-20240912194500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-African_American_History_Page-20240912194500"></span>African American History Page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-African_American_History_Page-20240912194500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: African American History Page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RFAvaria-20240912194500-African_American_History_Page"></span>Hello- just circling back with you because you reversed some work I contributed to the African American History page. Im a bit unclear from your comment what the concern is?? Can you help me better understand? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RFAvaria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RFAvaria (page does not exist)">RFAvaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RFAvaria" title="User talk:RFAvaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-RFAvaria-20240912194500-African_American_History_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RFAvaria-20240912194500-African_American_History_Page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RFAvaria-20240912194500-African_American_History_Page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900-RFAvaria-20240912194500"></span>This is the sort of thing I'd prefer to discuss at the article talk page. If you start a discussion, fee free to ping me. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900-RFAvaria-20240912194500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900-RFAvaria-20240912194500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900-RFAvaria-20240912194500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RFAvaria-20240912201000-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900"></span>I apologize im not sure I know how to do that.... do you mind starting a talk there or can we discuss here? Im interested to hear your thoughts... I know its a work in progress with a long way to go, but I am trying my best to honor the contributions of others and not delete them so trying to add relevant content and put events in chronological order gets a bit more difficult.</dd> <dd>I just feel like if someone put their hard work into writing something I should try to work around it so it just seems to take longer. anyway.....ill wait until you start a convo "ping" lol on some other area thanks <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RFAvaria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RFAvaria (page does not exist)">RFAvaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RFAvaria" title="User talk:RFAvaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-RFAvaria-20240912201000-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RFAvaria-20240912201000-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RFAvaria-20240912201000-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RFAvaria-20240912201500-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900"></span>when I clicked the "talk" button it routed me back here <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RFAvaria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RFAvaria (page does not exist)">RFAvaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RFAvaria" title="User talk:RFAvaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-RFAvaria-20240912201500-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RFAvaria-20240912201500-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RFAvaria-20240912201500-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RFAvaria-20240912204100-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900"></span>just making a not here to let you know I started a topic over there ...awaiting your feedback thanks ! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RFAvaria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RFAvaria (page does not exist)">RFAvaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RFAvaria" title="User talk:RFAvaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-RFAvaria-20240912204100-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RFAvaria-20240912204100-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RFAvaria-20240912204100-Firefangledfeathers-20240912194900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NPOV_on_Len_Blavatnik_BLP" data-mw-thread-id="h-NPOV_on_Len_Blavatnik_BLP-20240918132300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NPOV_on_Len_Blavatnik_BLP-20240918132300"></span>NPOV on Len Blavatnik BLP<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NPOV_on_Len_Blavatnik_BLP-20240918132300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: NPOV on Len Blavatnik BLP"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C_at_Access-20240918132300-NPOV_on_Len_Blavatnik_BLP"></span>Hi there, nice to meet you. I found your name on the <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_willing_to_provide_third_opinions" title="Category:Wikipedians willing to provide third opinions">Category:Wikipedians willing to provide third opinions</a> list, and noticed you again at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:No_original_research" title="Wikipedia talk:No original research">Wikipedia talk:No original research</a>. I am looking for an editor to look at an edit request I recently posted at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Len_Blavatnik#NPOV_problems_in_the_Intro_and_Sanctions_sections" title="Talk:Len Blavatnik">Talk:Len Blavatnik#NPOV problems in the Intro and Sanctions sections</a> concerning content that may not adhere to Wikipedia's policy of NPOV. I hope you have time to contribute to that discussion. Thanks in advance for your help on this. <a href="/wiki/User:C_at_Access" title="User:C at Access">C at Access</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:C_at_Access&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:C at Access (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-C_at_Access-20240918132300-NPOV_on_Len_Blavatnik_BLP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C_at_Access-20240918132300-NPOV_on_Len_Blavatnik_BLP"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C_at_Access-20240918132300-NPOV_on_Len_Blavatnik_BLP"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240919020200-C_at_Access-20240918132300"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:C_at_Access" title="User:C at Access">C at Access</a>. Glad to see you started a discussion. It's looking pretty fresh, so I'd prefer to see local discussion proceed further before feeling like an outside voice is necessary. If the other participant doesn't get back to you by about a day from now, I'd suggest pinging them a reminder. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240919020200-C_at_Access-20240918132300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240919020200-C_at_Access-20240918132300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240919020200-C_at_Access-20240918132300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reversion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reversion-20240919141700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reversion-20240919141700"></span>Reversion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reversion-20240919141700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Reversion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rokejulianlockhart-20240919141700-Reversion"></span>Thanks for <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers&oldid=prev&diff=1246529603&markasread=326648016&markasreadwiki=enwiki">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers&oldid=prev&diff=1246529603&markasread=326648016&markasreadwiki=enwiki</a>. It was a misclick. <a href="/wiki/User:Rokejulianlockhart" title="User:Rokejulianlockhart">Tag me if you are responding to my content or wish to notify me, because I may not be subscribed.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rokejulianlockhart" title="User talk:Rokejulianlockhart">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Rokejulianlockhart-20240919141700-Reversion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rokejulianlockhart-20240919141700-Reversion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rokejulianlockhart-20240919141700-Reversion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240919141900-Rokejulianlockhart-20240919141700"></span><span class="skin-invert-image" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Thumbs up icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Symbol_thumbs_up.svg/12px-Symbol_thumbs_up.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Symbol_thumbs_up.svg/18px-Symbol_thumbs_up.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Symbol_thumbs_up.svg/24px-Symbol_thumbs_up.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="765" data-file-height="990"/></span></span> <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240919141900-Rokejulianlockhart-20240919141700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240919141900-Rokejulianlockhart-20240919141700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240919141900-Rokejulianlockhart-20240919141700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="October_7" data-mw-thread-id="h-October_7-20240923082200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-October_7-20240923082200"></span><a href="/wiki/October_7" title="October 7">October 7</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-October_7-20240923082200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: October 7"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kiwipete-20240923082200-October_7"></span>There has been another change to this article, the same as one which you reverted back on 22 June. Your edit summary referenced <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBECR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBECR">WP:ARBECR</a>. Should this latest edit be reverted for the same reason, or for a different reason, or not reverted at all? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Kiwipete" title="User:Kiwipete">Kiwipete</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kiwipete" title="User talk:Kiwipete">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Kiwipete-20240923082200-October_7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kiwipete-20240923082200-October_7"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kiwipete-20240923082200-October_7"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240923122900-Kiwipete-20240923082200"></span>Reverted. There's no <i>requirement</i> to revert such edits, but between that and <a href="/wiki/MOS:TERRORIST" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:TERRORIST">MOS:TERRORIST</a>, it seems like the right call to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240923122900-Kiwipete-20240923082200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240923122900-Kiwipete-20240923082200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240923122900-Kiwipete-20240923082200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_AniSad90_(17:58,_24_September_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_AniSad90_(17:58,_24_September_2024)-20240924175800"><span id="Question_from_AniSad90_.2817:58.2C_24_September_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_AniSad90_(17:58,_24_September_2024)-20240924175800"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:AniSad90" title="User:AniSad90">AniSad90</a> (17:58, 24 September 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_AniSad90_(17:58,_24_September_2024)-20240924175800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Question from AniSad90 (17:58, 24 September 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AniSad90-20240924175800-Question_from_AniSad90_(17:58,_24_September_2024)"></span>How do I upload a new article --<a href="/wiki/User:AniSad90" title="User:AniSad90">AniSad90</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AniSad90" title="User talk:AniSad90">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-AniSad90-20240924175800-Question_from_AniSad90_(17:58,_24_September_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AniSad90-20240924175800-Question_from_AniSad90_(17:58,_24_September_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AniSad90-20240924175800-Question_from_AniSad90_(17:58,_24_September_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925200700-AniSad90-20240924175800"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:AniSad90" title="User:AniSad90">AniSad90</a>! I encourage you to edit some existing articles first to get a feel for how things work here. If you're set on starting with a new article, see <a href="/wiki/Help:Your_first_article" title="Help:Your first article">Help:Your first article</a> for some advice. Let me know if you have other questions or run into any issues. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925200700-AniSad90-20240924175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925200700-AniSad90-20240924175800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925200700-AniSad90-20240924175800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="On_Abortion" data-mw-thread-id="h-On_Abortion-20240925024100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-On_Abortion-20240925024100"></span>On Abortion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-On_Abortion-20240925024100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: On Abortion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024100-On_Abortion"></span>You said no one is confused about this. It's not about confusion, it's about making Wikipedia encyclopedic. Our goal is not to assume that people already understand a topic. Kids could be coming to Wikipedia for the first time to understand what abortion or anything else is: if we don't make it clear and differentiate abortion from other procedures, we are failing at our encyclopedic mission. Someone who does not know what abortion is would be confused by how it was defined in the Wikipedia article before the edit I made, because based on the definition that was given a c-section would be considered an abortion. <a href="/wiki/User:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z" title="User:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z">U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z" title="User talk:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024100-On_Abortion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024100-On_Abortion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024100-On_Abortion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024500-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024100"></span>This is the sort of thing that should be discussed at the article talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024500-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024500-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024500-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024700-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024500"></span>But also if you agree with me you could revert your reversion, right? <a href="/wiki/User:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z" title="User:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z">U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z" title="User talk:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024700-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024700-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024700-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024800-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024700"></span>I don't agree with you. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024800-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024800-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024800-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925024700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925025400-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024800"></span>Ok, well no need to reply why here since you think it should be discussed elsewhere, but feel free to on the article's talk. <a href="/wiki/User:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z" title="User:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z">U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z" title="User talk:U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925025400-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925025400-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-U9y0x46md247bg5ivb7z-20240925025400-Firefangledfeathers-20240925024800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_have_blocked_my_ip_from_editing_on_the_page_"Laapataa_Ladies"." data-mw-thread-id="h-You_have_blocked_my_ip_from_editing_on_the_page_"Laapataa_Ladies".-20240925075700"><span id="You_have_blocked_my_ip_from_editing_on_the_page_.22Laapataa_Ladies.22."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_have_blocked_my_ip_from_editing_on_the_page_"Laapataa_Ladies".-20240925075700"></span>You have blocked my ip from editing on the page "Laapataa Ladies".<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_have_blocked_my_ip_from_editing_on_the_page_"Laapataa_Ladies".-20240925075700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: You have blocked my ip from editing on the page "Laapataa Ladies"."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knightmare2451-20240925075700-You_have_blocked_my_ip_from_editing_on_the_page_"Laapataa_Ladies"."></span>Could you please unblock it so I can add a verified source and context. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Knightmare2451&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Knightmare2451 (page does not exist)">Knightmare2451</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knightmare2451" title="User talk:Knightmare2451">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Knightmare2451-20240925075700-You_have_blocked_my_ip_from_editing_on_the_page_"Laapataa_Ladies"." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knightmare2451-20240925075700-You_have_blocked_my_ip_from_editing_on_the_page_"Laapataa_Ladies"."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knightmare2451-20240925075700-You_have_blocked_my_ip_from_editing_on_the_page_"Laapataa_Ladies"."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925121100-Knightmare2451-20240925075700"></span>No, but you are just blocked from the article itself. You should use the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Laapataa_Ladies" title="Talk:Laapataa Ladies">talk page</a> to explain why your changes would be an improvement and what sources support them. If you can explain how your prior approach was problematic, and if you demonstrate some civil collaboration at the talk page, I'll be happy to consider an unblock. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925121100-Knightmare2451-20240925075700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925121100-Knightmare2451-20240925075700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925121100-Knightmare2451-20240925075700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knightmare2451-20240925123100-Firefangledfeathers-20240925121100"></span>I wanted to added some missing problematic context and criticism which seem to be missing from the article. For example the movie shows a problematic relationship between an adult in his 20's married to his "wife" under 15 and it's very glorified even with a romantic song "sajni". My source is an article which analyzes the very disturbing and problematic themes glorified in the film. I don't know if my approach was "problematic" as you put it but I did input the wrong source for the context I provided which I fully own upto. I replied here instead of the talk page because this seems easier to connect and reply with you directly. I would be happy if you could reconsider unblocking me from the page and let me add the missing context and source. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Knightmare2451&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Knightmare2451 (page does not exist)">Knightmare2451</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knightmare2451" title="User talk:Knightmare2451">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Knightmare2451-20240925123100-Firefangledfeathers-20240925121100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knightmare2451-20240925123100-Firefangledfeathers-20240925121100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knightmare2451-20240925123100-Firefangledfeathers-20240925121100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925123300-Knightmare2451-20240925123100"></span>In order to make that change, you're going to need to convince other editors. The best place to do so is at the talk page. Most of them will not be watching this page. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925123300-Knightmare2451-20240925123100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925123300-Knightmare2451-20240925123100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925123300-Knightmare2451-20240925123100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knightmare2451-20240925130300-Firefangledfeathers-20240925123300"></span>I have added that topic to the articles talk page, what would be the next step? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Knightmare2451&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Knightmare2451 (page does not exist)">Knightmare2451</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knightmare2451" title="User talk:Knightmare2451">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Knightmare2451-20240925130300-Firefangledfeathers-20240925123300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knightmare2451-20240925130300-Firefangledfeathers-20240925123300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knightmare2451-20240925130300-Firefangledfeathers-20240925123300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925130700-Knightmare2451-20240925130300"></span>Wait for others to respond. You can read more about the consensus-building process at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">Wikipedia:Consensus</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925130700-Knightmare2451-20240925130300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925130700-Knightmare2451-20240925130300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925130700-Knightmare2451-20240925130300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_SalmonPenny_(16:42,_25_September_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_SalmonPenny_(16:42,_25_September_2024)-20240925164200"><span id="Question_from_SalmonPenny_.2816:42.2C_25_September_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_SalmonPenny_(16:42,_25_September_2024)-20240925164200"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:SalmonPenny" title="User:SalmonPenny">SalmonPenny</a> (16:42, 25 September 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_SalmonPenny_(16:42,_25_September_2024)-20240925164200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Question from SalmonPenny (16:42, 25 September 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SalmonPenny-20240925164200-Question_from_SalmonPenny_(16:42,_25_September_2024)"></span>Hi, I'm working on a physics experiment as an undergrad. The working group has talked about making a dedicated wikipedia article for it for some time. There is a proposed outline and citation list already, but no one has worked on it since. </p><p>I've read that in order to get a page published as a new account, it needs to be reviewed by an experienced editor. I was wondering if you could help me with that. --<a href="/wiki/User:SalmonPenny" title="User:SalmonPenny">SalmonPenny</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SalmonPenny" title="User talk:SalmonPenny">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-SalmonPenny-20240925164200-Question_from_SalmonPenny_(16:42,_25_September_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SalmonPenny-20240925164200-Question_from_SalmonPenny_(16:42,_25_September_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SalmonPenny-20240925164200-Question_from_SalmonPenny_(16:42,_25_September_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925201000-SalmonPenny-20240925164200"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:SalmonPenny" title="User:SalmonPenny">SalmonPenny</a>, and welcome to Wikipedia! The process we encourage new editors to use for new pages is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">WP:Articles for creation</a>. We especially ask that editors use that process when they have a conflict of interest, which you might have when it comes to the project you've been working on. If you read about AfC and have any questions about the process, let me know! <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925201000-SalmonPenny-20240925164200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925201000-SalmonPenny-20240925164200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240925201000-SalmonPenny-20240925164200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Recent_LTA" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recent_LTA-20240926191300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recent_LTA-20240926191300"></span>Recent LTA<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recent_LTA-20240926191300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Recent LTA"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Filmssssssssssss-20240926191300-Recent_LTA"></span>Hi, Regarding the recent LTA attacking the helpdesk, is this <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Blue_Barette_Bam" title="Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Blue Barette Bam">BBB</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Filmssssssssssss" title="User:Filmssssssssssss"><span style="font-family: serif;"><b><i>Filmssssssssssss</i></b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filmssssssssssss" title="User talk:Filmssssssssssss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Filmssssssssssss-20240926191300-Recent_LTA" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Filmssssssssssss-20240926191300-Recent_LTA"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Filmssssssssssss-20240926191300-Recent_LTA"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240926191700-Filmssssssssssss-20240926191300"></span>Not sure. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240926191700-Filmssssssssssss-20240926191300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240926191700-Filmssssssssssss-20240926191300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240926191700-Filmssssssssssss-20240926191300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment-20240926233100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment-20240926233100"></span>Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment-20240926233100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Naypta-20240926233100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/48px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/72px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/96px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>Your feedback is requested at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Edward_Heath#rfc_0918265" title="Talk:Edward Heath"><b>Talk:Edward Heath</b> on a "All RFCs" request for comment</a>. Thank you for helping out!<br/><small>You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FRS">Feedback Request Service</a> subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FRS">removing your name</a>.</small> </p><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div><p> Message delivered to you with love by <a href="/wiki/User:Yapperbot" title="User:Yapperbot">Yapperbot</a> :) | Is this wrong? Contact <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naypta" title="User talk:Naypta">my bot operator</a>. | Sent at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Naypta-20240926233100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naypta-20240926233100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naypta-20240926233100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RD" data-mw-thread-id="h-RD-20240927145700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RD-20240927145700"></span>RD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RD-20240927145700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: RD"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20240927145700-RD"></span>Thank you for posting two people to recent deaths, - please consider to give credits ;) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Gerda_Arendt-20240927145700-RD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20240927145700-RD"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20240927145700-RD"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240927145800-Gerda_Arendt-20240927145700"></span>Thanks for the prompot, GA! Working on it now. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240927145800-Gerda_Arendt-20240927145700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240927145800-Gerda_Arendt-20240927145700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240927145800-Gerda_Arendt-20240927145700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Ultraheavenly_(23:07,_27_September_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Ultraheavenly_(23:07,_27_September_2024)-20240927230700"><span id="Question_from_Ultraheavenly_.2823:07.2C_27_September_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Ultraheavenly_(23:07,_27_September_2024)-20240927230700"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ultraheavenly&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ultraheavenly (page does not exist)">Ultraheavenly</a> (23:07, 27 September 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Ultraheavenly_(23:07,_27_September_2024)-20240927230700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Question from Ultraheavenly (23:07, 27 September 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultraheavenly-20240927230700-Question_from_Ultraheavenly_(23:07,_27_September_2024)"></span>hey! my name is maddie, and i've come to the discovery that there is very little information available online about 3D custom girl XP, a downloadable game about dressing anime girls, and neither this game nor their Japanese Developer have english wikipedia articles ( having them only in mandarin, here > <a class="external free" href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_Arts">https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_Arts</a>), so I figured why not :) --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ultraheavenly&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ultraheavenly (page does not exist)">Ultraheavenly</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ultraheavenly&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Ultraheavenly (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Ultraheavenly-20240927230700-Question_from_Ultraheavenly_(23:07,_27_September_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultraheavenly-20240927230700-Question_from_Ultraheavenly_(23:07,_27_September_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultraheavenly-20240927230700-Question_from_Ultraheavenly_(23:07,_27_September_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240930134200-Ultraheavenly-20240927230700"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ultraheavenly&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ultraheavenly (page does not exist)">Maddie</a>, and welcome to Wikipedia! I would suggest starting by looking for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> about either the game or the company. If you find there are a few such sources, that may demonstrate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notability</a>, which means a topic might appropriately be covered by a Wikipedia article. The bars for notability for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPRODUCT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPRODUCT">products</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">companies</a> are both pretty high, and I'd suggest reviewing those links as you're evaluating the sources you find. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240930134200-Ultraheavenly-20240927230700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240930134200-Ultraheavenly-20240927230700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240930134200-Ultraheavenly-20240927230700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this." data-mw-thread-id="h-Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this.-20241002041800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this.-20241002041800"></span>Sorry to drag you into this.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this.-20241002041800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Sorry to drag you into this."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darknipples-20241002041800-Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this."></span>In regard to an editor you previously notified about CTOP. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMutedL&diff=1248912426&oldid=1245120659">[9]</a> </p><p>Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknipples" title="User talk:Darknipples">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Darknipples-20241002041800-Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknipples-20241002041800-Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknipples-20241002041800-Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this."></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darknipples-20241002044300-Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this."></span>BTW, they quickly <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MutedL&diff=next&oldid=1248912426">deleted</a> my request on their talk (sigh). <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknipples" title="User talk:Darknipples">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Darknipples-20241002044300-Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknipples-20241002044300-Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknipples-20241002044300-Sorry_to_drag_you_into_this."></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241002121000-Darknipples-20241002044300"></span>Darknipples</a>, I have a vague recollection that I'm INVOLVED, and it'll be a little while before so can look into it. I'd suggest picking someone from the list of active admins or just going ahead to ANI. Please ping me. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241002121000-Darknipples-20241002044300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241002121000-Darknipples-20241002044300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241002121000-Darknipples-20241002044300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading 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title="User:Finefangledfeathers"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knitsey-20241004174600-How_to_win_friends_and_influence_people?"></span>Finefangledfeathers</a> your admirer has been reported to uaa. <a href="/wiki/User:Knitsey" title="User:Knitsey"><span style="color:DarkMagenta">Knitsey</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knitsey" title="User talk:Knitsey"><span style="color: maroon">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Knitsey-20241004174600-How_to_win_friends_and_influence_people?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knitsey-20241004174600-How_to_win_friends_and_influence_people?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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Contact <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naypta" title="User talk:Naypta">my bot operator</a>. | Sent at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Naypta-20241006093100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naypta-20241006093100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naypta-20241006093100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_2"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thank_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thank_you!-20241006174300"><span id="Thank_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thank_you!-20241006174300"></span>Thank you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thank_you!-20241006174300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Thank you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusanLesch-20241006174300-Thank_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Original_Barnstar.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Original_Barnstar.png/100px-Original_Barnstar.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="96" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Original_Barnstar.png 1.5x" data-file-width="111" data-file-height="107"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Original Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">To Firefangledfeathers on the occasion of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Minneapolis/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured article review/Minneapolis/archive1">Minneapolis FA</a> being <b>kept</b>. It made it because of you. Thank you! -<a href="/wiki/User:SusanLesch" title="User:SusanLesch">SusanLesch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusanLesch" title="User talk:SusanLesch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-SusanLesch-20241006174300-Thank_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusanLesch-20241006174300-Thank_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusanLesch-20241006174300-Thank_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241007005800-SusanLesch-20241006174300"></span>Aw, thanks! I hope you're feeling proud and happy after such an extensive effort. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241007005800-SusanLesch-20241006174300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241007005800-SusanLesch-20241006174300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241007005800-SusanLesch-20241006174300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusanLesch-20241007205300-Firefangledfeathers-20241007005800"></span>I am thank you, but the article is the gift that keeps on giving. Hope to see you again at FAR. -<a href="/wiki/User:SusanLesch" title="User:SusanLesch">SusanLesch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusanLesch" title="User talk:SusanLesch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-SusanLesch-20241007205300-Firefangledfeathers-20241007005800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusanLesch-20241007205300-Firefangledfeathers-20241007005800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusanLesch-20241007205300-Firefangledfeathers-20241007005800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Dirk_Louw_(11:24,_9_October_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Dirk_Louw_(11:24,_9_October_2024)-20241009112400"><span id="Question_from_Dirk_Louw_.2811:24.2C_9_October_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Dirk_Louw_(11:24,_9_October_2024)-20241009112400"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dirk_Louw&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dirk Louw (page does not exist)">Dirk Louw</a> (11:24, 9 October 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Dirk_Louw_(11:24,_9_October_2024)-20241009112400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Question from Dirk Louw (11:24, 9 October 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dirk_Louw-20241009112400-Question_from_Dirk_Louw_(11:24,_9_October_2024)"></span>Hi I look at a article about Medunsa in South Africa where it state the university was established in 2015. That's not true in 1990 to 1992 I was send to Medunsa for a DNA test to determine if the child in question is mine. It then was part of the university of the Great North it was a university where black people could study as in apartheid years they could not study in white universities. I know Medunsa name changed, as far as I know Medunsa was there since early 1980 or shortly after. I was send there by court order to do the DNA test which was very new world wide then. So I do not want write article just bring under your attention that the information you have is not correct. If in the future I have more info about other topics I would like send it to you, but for now if you need more info about Medunsa I will gladly help if I can </p> <pre>In the nineteen eighties it was a hospital, but more set for medical research and was quite advanced in the medical field. It was a hospital and studying was done after a medical degree was done, the main pur6was research. </pre> <p>Please let me know if there is another way I should bring info to your attention Thank you Dirk Swanepoel --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dirk_Louw&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dirk Louw (page does not exist)">Dirk Louw</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dirk_Louw&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Dirk Louw (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Dirk_Louw-20241009112400-Question_from_Dirk_Louw_(11:24,_9_October_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dirk_Louw-20241009112400-Question_from_Dirk_Louw_(11:24,_9_October_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dirk_Louw-20241009112400-Question_from_Dirk_Louw_(11:24,_9_October_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241009144900-Dirk_Louw-20241009112400"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dirk_Louw&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dirk Louw (page does not exist)">Dirk Louw</a>. I think you're talking about the article <a href="/wiki/Sefako_Makgatho_Health_Sciences_University" title="Sefako Makgatho Health Sciences University">Sefako Makgatho Health Sciences University</a>. It states that the <i>current incarnation</i> was established in 2015, but that the institution (under different names) had been around since 1976. Does that seem accurate and clear to you? <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241009144900-Dirk_Louw-20241009112400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241009144900-Dirk_Louw-20241009112400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241009144900-Dirk_Louw-20241009112400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dirk_Louw-20241011081800-Firefangledfeathers-20241009144900"></span>yes sorry when I saw they said it started in 2015, I did not read further my mistake, but what I mentioned about Medunsa is also true and in the 1980 onwards it was on the medical forefront that why around 1990 when DNA was introduced to the world they were able to do it. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dirk_Louw&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dirk Louw (page does not exist)">Dirk Louw</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dirk_Louw&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Dirk Louw (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Dirk_Louw-20241011081800-Firefangledfeathers-20241009144900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dirk_Louw-20241011081800-Firefangledfeathers-20241009144900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dirk_Louw-20241011081800-Firefangledfeathers-20241009144900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241011165400-Dirk_Louw-20241011081800"></span>Cool stuff! <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241011165400-Dirk_Louw-20241011081800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241011165400-Dirk_Louw-20241011081800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241011165400-Dirk_Louw-20241011081800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Love_jgh_(19:18,_9_October_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Love_jgh_(19:18,_9_October_2024)-20241009191800"><span id="Question_from_Love_jgh_.2819:18.2C_9_October_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Love_jgh_(19:18,_9_October_2024)-20241009191800"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Love_jgh" title="User:Love jgh">Love jgh</a> (19:18, 9 October 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Love_jgh_(19:18,_9_October_2024)-20241009191800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Question from Love jgh (19:18, 9 October 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Love_jgh-20241009191800-Question_from_Love_jgh_(19:18,_9_October_2024)"></span>Hello , How do I find add a new paragraph with the confidence I don't have --<a href="/wiki/User:Love_jgh" title="User:Love jgh">Love jgh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Love_jgh" title="User talk:Love jgh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Love_jgh-20241009191800-Question_from_Love_jgh_(19:18,_9_October_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Love_jgh-20241009191800-Question_from_Love_jgh_(19:18,_9_October_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Love_jgh-20241009191800-Question_from_Love_jgh_(19:18,_9_October_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241009193900-Love_jgh-20241009191800"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Love_jgh" title="User:Love jgh">Love jgh</a>. If you're not feeling confident enough to add a new paragraph, why not start with something smaller? I see you've already made some improvements, and you can find more to do at the "suggested edits" available from <a href="/wiki/Special:Homepage" title="Special:Homepage">your homepage</a>. When you are feeling a bit more confident, you should go for it! We encourage our editors to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEBOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEBOLD">be bold</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241009193900-Love_jgh-20241009191800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241009193900-Love_jgh-20241009191800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241009193900-Love_jgh-20241009191800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Featured_Article_Save_Award" data-mw-thread-id="h-Featured_Article_Save_Award-20241012144300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Featured_Article_Save_Award-20241012144300"></span>Featured Article Save Award<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Featured_Article_Save_Award-20241012144300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Featured Article Save Award"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nikkimaria-20241012144300-Featured_Article_Save_Award"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style="font-size:1.25em; font-family:Georgia;"> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 60px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Cscr-featured.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e7/Cscr-featured.svg/60px-Cscr-featured.svg.png" decoding="async" width="60" height="57" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e7/Cscr-featured.svg/90px-Cscr-featured.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e7/Cscr-featured.svg/120px-Cscr-featured.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="466" data-file-height="443"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>On behalf of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review" title="Wikipedia:Featured article review">FAR coordinators</a>, thank you, Firefangledfeathers! Your work on <b><a href="/wiki/Redwood_National_and_State_Parks" title="Redwood National and State Parks">Redwood National and State Parks</a></b> has allowed the article to retain its <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FA">featured status</a>, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. I hereby award you this <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FASA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FASA">Featured Article Save Award</a>, or FASA. You may display this FA star upon your userpage. Keep up the great work! Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Nikkimaria" title="User:Nikkimaria">Nikkimaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikkimaria" title="User talk:Nikkimaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Nikkimaria-20241012144300-Featured_Article_Save_Award" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nikkimaria-20241012144300-Featured_Article_Save_Award"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nikkimaria-20241012144300-Featured_Article_Save_Award"></span> </p> </div> </div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241012175000-Nikkimaria-20241012144300"></span>Hooray! Thanks for coordinating, NM! <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241012175000-Nikkimaria-20241012144300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241012175000-Nikkimaria-20241012144300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241012175000-Nikkimaria-20241012144300"></span></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900-Featured_Article_Save_Award"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1257001546">.mw-parser-output .infobox-subbox{padding:0;border:none;margin:-3px;width:auto;min-width:100%;font-size:100%;clear:none;float:none;background-color:transparent}.mw-parser-output .infobox-3cols-child{margin:auto}.mw-parser-output .infobox .navbar{font-size:100%}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme)>div:not(.notheme)[style]{background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme) div:not(.notheme){background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media(min-width:640px){body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table{display:table!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>caption{display:table-caption!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>tbody{display:table-row-group}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table tr{display:table-row!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table th,body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table td{padding-left:inherit;padding-right:inherit}}</style><table class="infobox nowrap plainlist" style="width:auto; background-color:#ddd; border:5px solid #ddd; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);; border-radius:0.5em;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Dahlias,_Elisengarten,_Aachen.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Dahlias%2C_Elisengarten%2C_Aachen.jpg/180px-Dahlias%2C_Elisengarten%2C_Aachen.jpg" decoding="async" width="180" height="135" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Dahlias%2C_Elisengarten%2C_Aachen.jpg/270px-Dahlias%2C_Elisengarten%2C_Aachen.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Dahlias%2C_Elisengarten%2C_Aachen.jpg/360px-Dahlias%2C_Elisengarten%2C_Aachen.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3409" data-file-height="2557"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Top" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Top">story</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt#Music" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">music</a> · <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Places_and_songs_2024#22_Oct" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024">places</a></th></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Congratulations! Also thanks for promoting to Recent deaths! - Today brought <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt#ITN_recognition_for_Helmut_Bauer_(bishop)" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">a timely promotion</a> of <a href="/wiki/Helmut_Bauer_(bishop)" title="Helmut Bauer (bishop)">Helmut Bauer (bishop)</a> to the Main page on the day when <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#12_Oct" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">pieces from Mozart's Requiem</a> were performed for him. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900-Featured_Article_Save_Award" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900-Featured_Article_Save_Award"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900-Featured_Article_Save_Award"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241016090700-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900"></span>I made Leif Segerstam my <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Stories#16_Oct" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Stories">big</a> story today. -<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Gerda_Arendt-20241016090700-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241016090700-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241016090700-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241031230800-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900"></span>Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt#rich_day" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">richer</a>. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted <a href="/wiki/Cucurbita" title="Cucurbita">Cucurbita</a> in 2016. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Gerda_Arendt-20241031230800-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241031230800-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241031230800-Gerda_Arendt-20241012203900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241101133300-Gerda_Arendt-20241031230800"></span>Madrid! Hope you're having a great time. I'm jealous, in particular, of the food experiences you're probably having. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241101133300-Gerda_Arendt-20241031230800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241101133300-Gerda_Arendt-20241031230800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241101133300-Gerda_Arendt-20241031230800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Supirati_(10:52,_14_October_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Supirati_(10:52,_14_October_2024)-20241014105200"><span id="Question_from_Supirati_.2810:52.2C_14_October_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Supirati_(10:52,_14_October_2024)-20241014105200"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Supirati&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Supirati (page does not exist)">Supirati</a> (10:52, 14 October 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Supirati_(10:52,_14_October_2024)-20241014105200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Question from Supirati (10:52, 14 October 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Supirati-20241014105200-Question_from_Supirati_(10:52,_14_October_2024)"></span>hello sir i have a question. May I know how to change Display title? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Supirati&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Supirati (page does not exist)">Supirati</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Supirati&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Supirati (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Supirati-20241014105200-Question_from_Supirati_(10:52,_14_October_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Supirati-20241014105200-Question_from_Supirati_(10:52,_14_October_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Supirati-20241014105200-Question_from_Supirati_(10:52,_14_October_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241014145600-Supirati-20241014105200"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Supirati&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Supirati (page does not exist)">Supirati</a>! If you want to change the title of an article, we generally use the term "move" for that process. As you are not yet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOC">autoconfirmed</a> (just 5 more edits), you are not yet able to move articles. You can request a move that you think will be uncontroversial (e.g. spelling fix) at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM#T" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM#T</a>. If you think the move might be controversial, you should start a move discussion at the article's talk page, with the details on that process at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM#CM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM#CM</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241014145600-Supirati-20241014105200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241014145600-Supirati-20241014105200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241014145600-Supirati-20241014105200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Feedback_requests_from_the_Feedback_Request_Service" data-mw-thread-id="h-Feedback_requests_from_the_Feedback_Request_Service-20241018163100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Feedback_requests_from_the_Feedback_Request_Service-20241018163100"></span>Feedback requests from the Feedback Request Service<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Feedback_requests_from_the_Feedback_Request_Service-20241018163100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Feedback requests from the Feedback Request Service"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Naypta-20241018163100-Feedback_requests_from_the_Feedback_Request_Service"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/48px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/72px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/96px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>Your feedback is requested at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Jordan#rfc_9943905" title="Talk:Jordan"><b>Talk:Jordan</b></a> and <a href="/wiki/Talk:Major_professional_sports_teams_of_the_United_States_and_Canada#rfc_6EA96DD" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Major professional sports teams of the United States and Canada"><b>Talk:Major professional sports teams of the United States and Canada</b></a> on "All RFCs" request for comments. Thank you for helping out!<br/><small>You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FRS">Feedback Request Service</a> subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FRS">removing your name</a>.</small> </p><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div><p> Message delivered to you with love by <a href="/wiki/User:Yapperbot" title="User:Yapperbot">Yapperbot</a> :) | Is this wrong? 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Could you protect the page <a href="/wiki/%C4%B0lber_Ortayl%C4%B1" title="İlber Ortaylı">İlber Ortaylı</a> or warn the user about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GS/AA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GS/AA">WP:GS/AA</a>? I warned them <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Liberty_Equality_Fraternity_1789&diff=prev&oldid=1253869958">[10]</a> but they didn't stop editing the article.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C4%B0lber_Ortayl%C4%B1&diff=prev&oldid=1253882773">[11]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:KhndzorUtogh" title="User:KhndzorUtogh">KhndzorUtogh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KhndzorUtogh" title="User talk:KhndzorUtogh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-KhndzorUtogh-20241028125900-Requesting_protection" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KhndzorUtogh-20241028125900-Requesting_protection"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KhndzorUtogh-20241028125900-Requesting_protection"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:KhndzorUtogh" title="User:KhndzorUtogh"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028131200-KhndzorUtogh-20241028125900"></span>KhndzorUtogh</a>, I'm happy to look into requests related to the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict or other ethnic or cultural disputes. For things related to the Armenian genocide, specifically, I'd prefer you seek out support from another admin or file at a place like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFPP">WP:RFPP</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANEW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANEW">WP:ANEW</a>, or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028131200-KhndzorUtogh-20241028125900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028131200-KhndzorUtogh-20241028125900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028131200-KhndzorUtogh-20241028125900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Brilliant_idea_#541" data-mw-thread-id="h-Brilliant_idea_#541-20241028191400"><span id="Brilliant_idea_.23541"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Brilliant_idea_#541-20241028191400"></span>Brilliant idea #541<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Brilliant_idea_#541-20241028191400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Brilliant idea #541"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Floquenbeam-20241028191400-Brilliant_idea_#541"></span>ANI should move to a Ticket System. An admin says "I'll take this one", and signs the ticket out. Using mumble mumble java magic bot filter css mumble mumble, the software prevents any other admin from acting until the original admin releases the ticket. Then people criticize the admin's decisions like usual. <a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floquenbeam" title="User talk:Floquenbeam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Floquenbeam-20241028191400-Brilliant_idea_#541" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Floquenbeam-20241028191400-Brilliant_idea_#541"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Floquenbeam-20241028191400-Brilliant_idea_#541"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192100-Floquenbeam-20241028191400"></span>Floquenbeam has had more than 541 brilliant ideas. Undercounting like that is tantamount to a personal attack, and repetition is likely to lead to a block. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192100-Floquenbeam-20241028191400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192100-Floquenbeam-20241028191400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192100-Floquenbeam-20241028191400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Floquenbeam-20241028192300-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192100"></span>Sorry, just a typo. I meant #2541. My "2" key is stuck. Please don't block. <a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floquenbeam" title="User talk:Floquenbeam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Floquenbeam-20241028192300-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Floquenbeam-20241028192300-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Floquenbeam-20241028192300-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192800-Floquenbeam-20241028192300"></span>That must be why you went with warning instead of a 2 day block. It all makes sense now. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192800-Floquenbeam-20241028192300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192800-Floquenbeam-20241028192300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241028192800-Floquenbeam-20241028192300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Apologies" data-mw-thread-id="h-Apologies-20241029024600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Apologies-20241029024600"></span>Apologies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Apologies-20241029024600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Apologies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gatoclass-20241029024600-Apologies"></span>... for being unable to respond to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&diff=prev&oldid=1253923922">this</a> at the time. Usually I will post my reasons for changing a hook, but did not have the time to do so yesterday. </p><p>In response to your query, however - the reason I replaced "three black people" with the broad term "desegregated" is because in one of the sources, the owner says the 30 white staffers disappeared over the course of a month, not because he hired three black workers, but because the whites couldn't deal with serving black customers. So it was an accuracy issue really. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Gatoclass" title="User:Gatoclass">Gatoclass</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gatoclass" title="User talk:Gatoclass">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Gatoclass-20241029024600-Apologies" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gatoclass-20241029024600-Apologies"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gatoclass-20241029024600-Apologies"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029150600-Gatoclass-20241029024600"></span>No apology needed! I hadn't seen that source. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029150600-Gatoclass-20241029024600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029150600-Gatoclass-20241029024600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029150600-Gatoclass-20241029024600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Sommerleigh_(14:48,_29_October_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Sommerleigh_(14:48,_29_October_2024)-20241029144800"><span id="Question_from_Sommerleigh_.2814:48.2C_29_October_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Sommerleigh_(14:48,_29_October_2024)-20241029144800"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sommerleigh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sommerleigh (page does not exist)">Sommerleigh</a> (14:48, 29 October 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Sommerleigh_(14:48,_29_October_2024)-20241029144800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Question from Sommerleigh (14:48, 29 October 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sommerleigh-20241029144800-Question_from_Sommerleigh_(14:48,_29_October_2024)"></span>Hello, I'm pretty new to editing and if you are free, may I ask for some tips on editing? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sommerleigh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sommerleigh (page does not exist)">Sommerleigh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sommerleigh" title="User talk:Sommerleigh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Sommerleigh-20241029144800-Question_from_Sommerleigh_(14:48,_29_October_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sommerleigh-20241029144800-Question_from_Sommerleigh_(14:48,_29_October_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sommerleigh-20241029144800-Question_from_Sommerleigh_(14:48,_29_October_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029150600-Sommerleigh-20241029144800"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sommerleigh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sommerleigh (page does not exist)">Sommerleigh</a>, and welcome! There are so many different parts of editing, and so many different approaches, that it's hard to know what tips to give! If you haven't already, you may want to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia">Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia</a>, which has some tips and links to more info. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029150600-Sommerleigh-20241029144800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029150600-Sommerleigh-20241029144800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241029150600-Sommerleigh-20241029144800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GSL_at_NPOVN" data-mw-thread-id="h-GSL_at_NPOVN-20241101225400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GSL_at_NPOVN-20241101225400"></span>GSL at NPOVN<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GSL_at_NPOVN-20241101225400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: GSL at NPOVN"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darknipples-20241101225400-GSL_at_NPOVN"></span>Hi there, sorry to bug you. I was wondering if you were busy irl or just didn't think my question there <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANeutral_point_of_view%2FNoticeboard&diff=1253795977&oldid=1253628694">[12]</a> was appropriate? Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknipples" title="User talk:Darknipples">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Darknipples-20241101225400-GSL_at_NPOVN" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknipples-20241101225400-GSL_at_NPOVN"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknipples-20241101225400-GSL_at_NPOVN"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241102180300-Darknipples-20241101225400"></span>I didn't understand your comment! Which part was the question you wanted answered? <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241102180300-Darknipples-20241101225400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241102180300-Darknipples-20241101225400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241102180300-Darknipples-20241101225400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CoptEgypt136" data-mw-thread-id="h-CoptEgypt136-20241103154000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CoptEgypt136-20241103154000"></span>CoptEgypt136<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CoptEgypt136-20241103154000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: CoptEgypt136"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Display_name_99-20241103154000-CoptEgypt136"></span>Hello. On October 8, you warned User:CoptEgypt136 for edit warring over the lead image at <a href="/wiki/Carlo_Maria_Vigan%C3%B2" title="Carlo Maria Viganò">Carlo Maria Viganò</a>. They have just restored the lead image to their preferred version again, once more without using an edit summary. Please block this editor. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Display_name_99" title="User:Display name 99">Display name 99</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Display_name_99" title="User talk:Display name 99">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Display_name_99-20241103154000-CoptEgypt136" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Display_name_99-20241103154000-CoptEgypt136"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Display_name_99-20241103154000-CoptEgypt136"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241104015200-Display_name_99-20241103154000"></span>Page-blocked for a week. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241104015200-Display_name_99-20241103154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241104015200-Display_name_99-20241103154000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241104015200-Display_name_99-20241103154000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Svampesky_(22:19,_5_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Svampesky_(22:19,_5_November_2024)-20241105221900"><span id="Question_from_Svampesky_.2822:19.2C_5_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Svampesky_(22:19,_5_November_2024)-20241105221900"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Svampesky" title="User:Svampesky">Svampesky</a> (22:19, 5 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Svampesky_(22:19,_5_November_2024)-20241105221900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Question from Svampesky (22:19, 5 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Svampesky-20241105221900-Question_from_Svampesky_(22:19,_5_November_2024)"></span>Could you put the correct 'welcome to BLP, which is a contentious topic' alert to my user talk page? I can't find the right one, and I'd like to make sure I'm properly informed before making more edits to BLPs. --<a href="/wiki/User:Svampesky" title="User:Svampesky"><span style="color: #008080">Svampesky</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svampesky" title="User talk:Svampesky"><span style="color: #008080">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Svampesky-20241105221900-Question_from_Svampesky_(22:19,_5_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Svampesky-20241105221900-Question_from_Svampesky_(22:19,_5_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Svampesky-20241105221900-Question_from_Svampesky_(22:19,_5_November_2024)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_3-20241109163100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_3-20241109163100"></span>Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_3-20241109163100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Naypta-20241109163100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_3"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/48px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/72px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Internet-group-chat.svg/96px-Internet-group-chat.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>Your feedback is requested at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#rfc_7158E11" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard"><b>Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard</b> on a "All RFCs" request for comment</a>. 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Contact <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naypta" title="User talk:Naypta">my bot operator</a>. | Sent at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Naypta-20241109163100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naypta-20241109163100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naypta-20241109163100-Feedback_request:_All_RFCs_request_for_comment_3"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Jcass14325_on_Rhyno_(05:55,_11_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Jcass14325_on_Rhyno_(05:55,_11_November_2024)-20241111055500"><span id="Question_from_Jcass14325_on_Rhyno_.2805:55.2C_11_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Jcass14325_on_Rhyno_(05:55,_11_November_2024)-20241111055500"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jcass14325&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jcass14325 (page does not exist)">Jcass14325</a> on <a href="/wiki/Rhyno" title="Rhyno">Rhyno</a> (05:55, 11 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Jcass14325_on_Rhyno_(05:55,_11_November_2024)-20241111055500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: Question from Jcass14325 on Rhyno (05:55, 11 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jcass14325-20241111055500-Question_from_Jcass14325_on_Rhyno_(05:55,_11_November_2024)"></span>The website is not letting publish the article updating Rhyno’s championships and accomplishments. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jcass14325&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jcass14325 (page does not exist)">Jcass14325</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jcass14325" title="User talk:Jcass14325">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Jcass14325-20241111055500-Question_from_Jcass14325_on_Rhyno_(05:55,_11_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jcass14325-20241111055500-Question_from_Jcass14325_on_Rhyno_(05:55,_11_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jcass14325-20241111055500-Question_from_Jcass14325_on_Rhyno_(05:55,_11_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241111152300-Jcass14325-20241111055500"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jcass14325&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jcass14325 (page does not exist)">Jcass14325</a>. It looks like you were able to publish an edit at <a href="/wiki/Rhyno" title="Rhyno">Rhyno</a> soon after making this comment. Is there still any issue? <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241111152300-Jcass14325-20241111055500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241111152300-Jcass14325-20241111055500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241111152300-Jcass14325-20241111055500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jcass14325-20241112041400-Firefangledfeathers-20241111152300"></span>Yes, just after I messaged you, it successfully published. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jcass14325&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jcass14325 (page does not exist)">Jcass14325</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jcass14325" title="User talk:Jcass14325">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Jcass14325-20241112041400-Firefangledfeathers-20241111152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jcass14325-20241112041400-Firefangledfeathers-20241111152300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jcass14325-20241112041400-Firefangledfeathers-20241111152300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_65" data-mw-thread-id="h-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_65-20241112125000"><span id="Books_.26_Bytes_.E2.80.93_Issue_65"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_65-20241112125000"></span>Books & Bytes – Issue 65<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Books_&_Bytes_–_Issue_65-20241112125000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Books & Bytes – Issue 65"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> <div style="font-size: 1.5em; 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What level of sources are typically sufficient for wikipedia's purposes? Does it depend on the article? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Conchobar604&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Conchobar604 (page does not exist)">Conchobar604</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Conchobar604" title="User talk:Conchobar604">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Conchobar604-20241114193500-Question_from_Conchobar604_(19:35,_14_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Conchobar604-20241114193500-Question_from_Conchobar604_(19:35,_14_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Conchobar604-20241114193500-Question_from_Conchobar604_(19:35,_14_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241114194300-Conchobar604-20241114193500"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Conchobar604&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Conchobar604 (page does not exist)">Conchobar604</a>. Glad to have you—and your experience with academic writing—here at Wikipedia! You are correct in suspecting that the level of source required depends on the article. It also depends on the claim being supported. You can read our guideline on this at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">WP:Reliable sources</a>. Some specific subjects have their own additional guidelines (like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDRS">WP:MEDRS</a> for biomedical topics). We encourage you to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEBOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEBOLD">be bold</a> about using your judgment in adding or removing content based on the strength of the sourcing, and if you're ever in a dispute about it and need some outside voices, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_Sources/Noticeboard" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Reliable Sources/Noticeboard">WP:Reliable Sources/Noticeboard</a> is a good place to go. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241114194300-Conchobar604-20241114193500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241114194300-Conchobar604-20241114193500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241114194300-Conchobar604-20241114193500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Poetry" data-mw-thread-id="h-Poetry-20241115222700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Poetry-20241115222700"></span>Poetry<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Poetry-20241115222700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Firefangledfeathers&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: Poetry"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayen466-20241115222700-Poetry"></span>Just in case you take an interest in such matters – something about the Wallace Stevens poem you mention on your user page reminded me of a specific tradition of symbolism. A quick Google search showed I wasn't the first to make that connection: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.proquest.com/openview/7406799dd2b22cdb12f2952138a03a15/1">[13]</a> Anyway, I love that poem. <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Jayen466" title="User:Jayen466">Andreas</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jayen466" title="User talk:Jayen466"><span style="color: #FFBF00;">JN</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jayen466" title="Special:Contributions/Jayen466">466</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Jayen466-20241115222700-Poetry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayen466-20241115222700-Poetry"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayen466-20241115222700-Poetry"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241116021700-Jayen466-20241115222700"></span>Interesting! Was it a particular line or phrase that reminded you of Sufi symbolism? <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241116021700-Jayen466-20241115222700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241116021700-Jayen466-20241115222700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241116021700-Jayen466-20241115222700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayen466-20241117000300-Firefangledfeathers-20241116021700"></span>The poem is really replete with such phrases, which is why I was so struck by it. (I had never heard of Stevens before and have not read anything else by him.) The poem starts with the palm, a symbol of <a href="/wiki/Barakah" title="Barakah">baraka</a> ("a kind of continuity of spiritual presence and revelation") in Sufi mysticism (cf. also <a href="/wiki/Berakhah" title="Berakhah">Berakhah</a> in Judaism). For an explanation see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=S6pLvb5FYE0C&pg=PA388&dq=palm+idries+shah+sufis&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&f=false">Shah</a>: "The palm tree, as noted elsewhere, is the Sufi term for <a href="/wiki/Barakah" title="Barakah">baraka</a> ... an allegory of a Sufi process, later associated with the alchemical idea of the 'red elixir'." Note also Shah's comments on <a href="/wiki/Tariqa" title="Tariqa">tariqa</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=S6pLvb5FYE0C&pg=PA397&f=false">here</a> – the palm may symbolise both an inner experience in Sufi mysticism and a specific Sufi teaching, or Sufi order. (Sufi poetry is generally known for choosing and striving for words that invite the reader to test and unfold a whole variety of different associations and meanings; see <a href="/wiki/%C4%AAh%C4%81m" title="Īhām">īhām</a>.) "The end of mind", "beyond the last thought" is suggestive of a spiritual endeavour, seeking the "peace that passeth understanding", rising above the world of "bronze" (a non-noble metal). Next comes a "gold-feathered bird". Why gold? The concept of turning base metal (the ordinary human) into gold is familiar from Western alchemy. The step from the first noble metal, silver (moon), to gold (sun), involves adding a tinge of red. The quote mentioned above already alludes to the concept of reddening in Western alchemy, which came to the Christian world via the Sufi <a href="/wiki/Jabir_ibn_Hayyan" title="Jabir ibn Hayyan">Jabir ibn Hayyan</a>, known in Latin as Geber. "Without human feeling"; the Sufis speak of "being in the world but not of it" and of "dying before you die", which implies breaking identification with the events of daily life even while fully involved in it. Life is then experienced differently, "a foreign song". "The palm stands on the edge of space" – cf. the <a href="/wiki/Flammarion_engraving" title="Flammarion engraving">Flammarion engraving</a>. Lastly, "the bird's fire-fangled feathers dangle down", providing a bridge between the ordinary and the transcendent experience of life. "Fire" is the main tool of alchemy, symbolising something akin to Buddhist mindfulness, a dual attention that has an inward and an outward aspect, i.e. remembrance of self, of breath (self and breath are the same words in Greek, Arabic and Hebrew) while being engaged in life – i.e. not being "heedless". So the fire-fangled feathers hanging down are the bridge between the lower and the higher, the outer and the inner. Birds symbolising inner experience are common both in Sufism (cf. Attar's <a href="/wiki/The_Conference_of_the_Birds" title="The Conference of the Birds">The Conference of the Birds</a>) and Christianity (cf. dove as the Holy Ghost etc.); and when reading Stevens' "Mere Being" (what an understatement!) I was also reminded of a charming poem by Rumi that has birds in it and which seemed to be made of the same cloth: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://razarumi.com/rumi-you-and-i-in-the-palace/">[14]</a> (the linked page has a number of different translations of the poem, of varying quality, but each has something to commend it). 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