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(j'ai rajouté un exemple de conversion dans la page de proposition, faut-il fournir un fichier csv de correspondance et demander à un dresseur de bot\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwCA\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E? ) \u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwCQ\"\u003ECordialement\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"yf5ogde2xvia0xx8","postId":"yf5ogde2xzgc91vg","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"FoeNyx","wiki":"wikidatawiki","gender":"male","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/FoeNyx","title":"Contributions/FoeNyx","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:FoeNyx","title":"FoeNyx","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:FoeNyx","title":"User talk:FoeNyx","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":144849},"isNewPage":false,"replies":[]},"yf9u2367md6obr89":{"_BC_bools":["isOriginalContent","isModerated","isLocked","isModeratedNotLocked","isWatched","watchable","isMaxThreadingDepth","isNewPage"],"workflowId":"yf5ogde2xvia0xx8","articleTitle":"Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8","revisionId":"yf9u2367md6obr89","timestamp":"20241031135714","changeType":"reply","dateFormats":[],"properties":[],"isOriginalContent":true,"isModerated":false,"links":{"topic-history":{"url": "//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8\u0026action=history","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/wiki/Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8","title":"topic","text":"topic"},"post":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8\u0026topic_showPostId=yf9u2367md6obr89#flow-post-yf9u2367md6obr89","title":"post","text":"post"},"post-revision":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8\u0026topic_postId=yf9u2367md6obr89\u0026topic_revId=yf9u2367md6obr89\u0026action=single-view","title":"post revision","text":"post revision"},"watch-topic":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8\u0026action=watch","title":"Watch","text":"Watch"},"unwatch-topic":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8\u0026action=unwatch","title":"Unwatch","text":"Unwatch"}},"actions":{"reply":{"url": "//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8\u0026action=reply\u0026topic_postId=yf9u2367md6obr89#flow-post-yf9u2367md6obr89","title":"Reply","text":"Reply"},"hide":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8\u0026action=moderate-post\u0026topic_postId=yf9u2367md6obr89\u0026topic_moderationState=hide","title":"Hide","text":"Hide"},"summarize":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8\u0026action=edit-topic-summary","title":"Summarize","text":"Summarize"}},"size":{"old":"0","new":"735"},"author":{"name":"VIGNERON","wiki":"wikidatawiki","gender":"male","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON","title":"Contributions/VIGNERON","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:VIGNERON","title":"VIGNERON","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON","title":"User talk:VIGNERON","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":4943},"lastEditUser":{"name": null,"wiki":null,"gender":"unknown","links":[],"id":null},"lastEditId":null,"previousRevisionId":null,"isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" id=\"mwAQ\"\u003E\u003Cp id=\"mwAg\"\u003ESalut,\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwAw\"\u003EJ'ai voté pour et notifié le créateur de propriété. Il me semble que c'est plutôt bon. J'ai juste deux questions\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwBA\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E:\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003Cul id=\"mwBQ\"\u003E\u003Cli id=\"mwBg\"\u003Ey a-t-il une page en ligne vers laquelle pointer\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwBw\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E? (ce n'est pas obligatoire formellement mais c'est une habitude courante et c'est généralement attendu pour un identifiant).\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli id=\"mwCA\"\u003Epour les codes de région/département/ville, est-ce vraiment juste des espaces simples\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwCQ\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E? est-ce que des tirets bas ne serait pas équivalent\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwCg\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E? 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Pour ton exemple, il ne fonctionne que pour les voiries (et assimilés), non\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwDA\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E? \u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwDQ\"\u003ECdlt,\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"yf5ogde2xvia0xx8","postId":"yf9u2367md6obr89","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"VIGNERON","wiki":"wikidatawiki","gender":"male","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON","title":"Contributions/VIGNERON","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:VIGNERON","title":"VIGNERON","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON","title":"User 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typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwBw\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E: J'avais mis cette URL dans \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Q126543075\" title=\"Q126543075\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt1\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Q\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Q\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Q126543075\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\" id=\"mwCA\"\u003EFichier TOPO \u003Csmall\u003E(Q126543075)\u003C/small\u003E\u003C/a\u003E→\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Property:P856\" title=\"Property:P856\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt2\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;P\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:P\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;P856\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\" id=\"mwCQ\"\u003Esite officiel\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:Entity\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E\u003Csmall dir=\"ltr\"\u003E(P856)\u003C/small\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwCg\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E: \u003Ca rel=\"mw:ExtLink nofollow\" href=\"https://data.economie.gouv.fr/explore/dataset/topo-fichier-des-entites-topographiques/information/\" class=\"external free\" id=\"mwCw\"\u003Ehttps://data.economie.gouv.fr/explore/dataset/topo-fichier-des-entites-topographiques/information/\u003C/a\u003E et je viens de voir qu'on y trouve un fichier descriptif, mis à jour début octobre ( \u003Ca rel=\"mw:ExtLink nofollow\" href=\"https://data.economie.gouv.fr/api/datasets/1.0/topo-fichier-des-entites-topographiques/attachments/description_fichier_topo_20241003_pdf/\" class=\"external free\" id=\"mwDA\"\u003Ehttps://data.economie.gouv.fr/api/datasets/1.0/topo-fichier-des-entites-topographiques/attachments/description_fichier_topo_20241003_pdf/\u003C/a\u003E ) qui décrit plus en détails les éléments du code, en tout cas pour la partie française. J'étais passé à côté de ces explications avant, mais ça semble cohérent avec ce que j'en avais déduit. Le document descriptif n’est pas toujours cohérent avec les données dans le fichier\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwDQ\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E: il décrit par exemple le niveau de type 32 comme étant des \"communes étrangères\" mais y on trouve en autre \"99217000105511 32;\u003Ca rel=\"mw:WikiLink/Interwiki\" href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Pr\u0026#xE9;fecture_de_Nagasaki\" title=\"en:fr:Pr\u0026#xE9;fecture de Nagasaki\" class=\"extiw\" id=\"mwDg\"\u003ENAGASAKI-KEN\u003C/a\u003E\", où ken 県 est le suffixe des préfectures-départements japonais, alors qu'on devrait plutôt imaginer le libellé \u003Ca rel=\"mw:WikiLink/Interwiki\" href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Nagasaki\" title=\"en:fr:Nagasaki\" class=\"extiw\" id=\"mwDw\"\u003ENAGASAKI-SHI\u003C/a\u003E ou simplement NAGASAKI pour la ville éponyme.\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli id=\"mwEA\"\u003E«\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwEQ\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003Eest-ce vraiment juste des espaces simples\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwEg\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E» Dans le fichier ce sont des espaces simples. Il faudrait demander aux gens de la DGFiP si on peut utiliser des \"_\" (ou le symbole de représentation explicite des espaces \"␣\") comme équivalent, ce qui aurait l’avantage d'éviter le risque de coalescence des espaces consécutives dans les navigateurs.\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli id=\"mwEw\"\u003E«\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwFA\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003EPour la conversion, un fichier CSV de correspondance serait l'idéal\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwFQ\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E» Je vais voir si je peux faire les extractions de wikidata et préparer un fichier CSV.\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli id=\"mwFg\"\u003E«\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwFw\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003EPour ton exemple, il ne fonctionne que pour les voiries (et assimilés), non\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwGA\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E?\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwGQ\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E» Oui, mais je pense que la très grande majorité des codes fantoirs actuellement renseignés sur wikidata concernent des élément de niveau voirie, non\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwGg\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E? Pour que ça marche avec les communes, il suffirait de changer le suffixe/type du code topo de \"14\" à \"13\" si la partie rivoli est vide. J'ai mis à jour le code d'exemple de conversion pour gérer les communes (si il y en a)\u003C/li\u003E\u003C/ul\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwGw\"\u003ECordialement\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"yf5ogde2xvia0xx8","postId":"yfbr1fsf0e8l45pm","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"FoeNyx","wiki":"wikidatawiki","gender":"male","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/FoeNyx","title":"Contributions/FoeNyx","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:FoeNyx","title":"FoeNyx","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:FoeNyx","title":"User 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href=\"/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/09\" title=\"Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/09\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" id=\"mwBQ\"\u003Enotre échange de septembre dernier sur le sujet\u003C/a\u003E, je voudrais entreprendre, lorsqu'il y a lieu, de préciser les \u003Ca rel=\"mw:ExtLink\" href=\"https://query.wikidata.org/#%23Personnes%20%C3%A9crivant%20en%20occitan%0ASELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3FitemDescription%20%3Fsitelinks%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ5%3B%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP6886%2a%20wd%3AQ14185%3B%20%0A%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3Asitelinks%20%3Fsitelinks.%0A%0A%20%20%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cmul%2Cen%22%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC%28%3Fsitelinks%29\" class=\"external text\" id=\"mwBg\"\u003Edéclarations\u003C/a\u003E concernant les auteurices en occitan provençal, en ne gardant plus que la valeur concernant ce dialecte (\u003Ci id=\"mwBw\"\u003Eexit\u003C/i\u003E donc la valeur générique concernant l'occitan). Au moins pour celleux qui utilisent la graphie mistralienne, en tout cas (ce qui peut être précisé avec \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Property:P282\" title=\"Property:P282\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" id=\"mwCA\"\u003Ecette propriété\u003C/a\u003E. Ma source principale serait le \u003Ci id=\"mwCQ\"\u003E\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Q130670332\" title=\"Q130670332\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt1\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Qfr\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Qfr\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;130670332\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\" id=\"mwCg\"\u003ERépertoire des écrivains de langue provençale (langue mistralienne) de Roumanille à nos jours\u003C/a\u003E\u003Csup about=\"#mwt1\" id=\"mwCw\"\u003E(130670332)\u003C/sup\u003E\u003C/i\u003E, et d'autres ponctuellement pour les auteurices plus récent(e)s et qui ne figureraient pas dans cet ouvrage qui remonte à 2006. \u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwDA\"\u003EMais comme c'est une grosse modification en perspective, je voudrais m'assurer de son bien-fondé... Pourrais-tu s'il te plaît me confirmer que c'est une bonne pratique\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwDQ\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E?\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwDg\"\u003EBien à toi\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" id=\"mwDw\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E! \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel\" title=\"User:Maxime Ravel\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" id=\"mwEA\"\u003EMaxime\u003C/a\u003E 16:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"yf15v98m7tfxr6h5","postId":"yf15v98m7xdzzafd","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"Maxime Ravel","wiki":"wikidatawiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maxime_Ravel","title":"Contributions/Maxime Ravel","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel","title":"Maxime Ravel","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Maxime_Ravel","title":"User talk:Maxime Ravel","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":4004879},"isNewPage":false,"replies":[]},"yf2llegwim2ttz14":{"_BC_bools":["isOriginalContent","isModerated","isLocked","isModeratedNotLocked","isWatched","watchable","isMaxThreadingDepth","isNewPage"],"workflowId":"yf15v98m7tfxr6h5","articleTitle":"Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5","revisionId":"yf2llegwim2ttz14","timestamp":"20241028080015","changeType":"edit-post","dateFormats":[],"properties":[],"isOriginalContent":false, "isModerated":false,"links":{"post-history":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5\u0026action=history\u0026topic_postId=yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic-history":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5\u0026action=history","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/wiki/Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5","title":"topic","text":"topic"},"post":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5\u0026topic_showPostId=yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd#flow-post-yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd","title":"post","text":"post"},"diff":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5\u0026action=compare-post-revisions\u0026topic_newRevision=yf2llegwim2ttz14","title":"diff","text":"diff"},"diff-prev":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5\u0026action=compare-post-revisions\u0026topic_newRevision=yf2llegwim2ttz14","title":"prev","text":"prev"},"post-revision":{ "url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5\u0026topic_postId=yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd\u0026topic_revId=yf2llegwim2ttz14\u0026action=single-view","title":"post revision","text":"post revision"}},"actions":{"reply":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5\u0026action=reply\u0026topic_postId=yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd#flow-post-yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd","title":"Reply","text":"Reply"},"hide":{"url":"//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5\u0026action=moderate-post\u0026topic_postId=yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd\u0026topic_moderationState=hide","title":"Hide","text":"Hide"}},"size":{"old":"594","new":"595"},"author":{"name":"VIGNERON","wiki":"wikidatawiki","gender":"male","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON","title":"Contributions/VIGNERON","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:VIGNERON","title":"VIGNERON","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON","title": "User talk:VIGNERON","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":4943},"lastEditUser":{"name":"VIGNERON","wiki":"wikidatawiki","gender":"male","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON","title":"Contributions/VIGNERON","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:VIGNERON","title":"VIGNERON","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON","title":"User talk:VIGNERON","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":4943},"lastEditId":"yf2llegwim2ttz14","previousRevisionId":"yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd","isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" id=\"mwAQ\"\u003E\u003Cp id=\"mwAg\"\u003ESalut,\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwAw\"\u003EAjouter des précisions, surtout en se basant sur une source me semble une bonne idée. 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(\u003Cspan class=\"statement\" about=\"#mwt1\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;st\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:St\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;2\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;P6886\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;3\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Q14185\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\" id=\"mwCQ\"\u003E\u003Cspan class=\"predicate\"\u003E\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Property:P6886\" title=\"Property:P6886\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\"\u003Elangues d\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:Entity\"\u003E'\u003C/span\u003Eécriture \u003Csmall\u003E(P6886)\u003C/small\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003Cspan class=\"object\"\u003E\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Q14185\" title=\"Q14185\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\"\u003Eoccitan 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Si la propriété est effectivement créée, sais-tu comment procéder pour faire la conversion des 62k entrées fantoir existantes sur wikidata<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBw"> </span>? (j'ai rajouté un exemple de conversion dans la page de proposition, faut-il fournir un fichier csv de correspondance et demander à un dresseur de bot<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwCA"> </span>? ) </p> <p id="mwCQ">Cordialement</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&action=reply&topic_postId=yf5ogde2xzgc91vg#flow-post-yf5ogde2xzgc91vg" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yf5ois00rcsy5g6p" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730221926" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">17:12, 29 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">26 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&topic_showPostId=yf5ogde2xzgc91vg#flow-post-yf5ogde2xzgc91vg"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yf5ogde2xzgc91vg&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yf9u2367md6obr89" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf9u2367md6obr89" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>VIGNERON</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" class="" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON" title="Contributions/VIGNERON">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Salut,</p> <p id="mwAw">J'ai voté pour et notifié le créateur de propriété. Il me semble que c'est plutôt bon. J'ai juste deux questions<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBA"> </span>:</p> <ul id="mwBQ"><li id="mwBg">y a-t-il une page en ligne vers laquelle pointer<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBw"> </span>? (ce n'est pas obligatoire formellement mais c'est une habitude courante et c'est généralement attendu pour un identifiant).</li> <li id="mwCA">pour les codes de région/département/ville, est-ce vraiment juste des espaces simples<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwCQ"> </span>? est-ce que des tirets bas ne serait pas équivalent<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwCg"> </span>? (en tout cas, ce serait plus lisible)</li></ul> <p id="mwCw">Pour la conversion, un fichier CSV de correspondance serait l'idéal, et cela pourrait être traiter avec OpenRefine (pas besoin d'un bot pour une "simple" conversion"). Pour ton exemple, il ne fonctionne que pour les voiries (et assimilés), non<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwDA"> </span>? </p> <p id="mwDQ">Cdlt,</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&action=reply&topic_postId=yf9u2367md6obr89#flow-post-yf9u2367md6obr89" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730383034" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">13:57, 31 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">24 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&topic_showPostId=yf9u2367md6obr89#flow-post-yf9u2367md6obr89"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yf9u2367md6obr89&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yfbr1fsf0e8l45pm" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yfbr1fsf0e8l45pm" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:FoeNyx" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>FoeNyx</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:FoeNyx" class="" title="User talk:FoeNyx">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/FoeNyx" title="Contributions/FoeNyx">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><ul id="mwAg"><li id="mwAw">«<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBA"> </span>y a-t-il une page en ligne vers laquelle pointer<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBQ"> </span>?<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBg"> </span>»<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBw"> </span>: J'avais mis cette URL dans <a href="/wiki/Q126543075" title="Q126543075" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Q","href":"./Template:Q"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Q126543075"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwCA">Fichier TOPO <small>(Q126543075)</small></a>→<a href="/wiki/Property:P856" title="Property:P856" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt2" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"P","href":"./Template:P"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"P856"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwCQ">site officiel<span typeof="mw:Entity"> </span><small dir="ltr">(P856)</small></a><span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwCg"> </span>: <a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="https://data.economie.gouv.fr/explore/dataset/topo-fichier-des-entites-topographiques/information/" class="external free" id="mwCw">https://data.economie.gouv.fr/explore/dataset/topo-fichier-des-entites-topographiques/information/</a> et je viens de voir qu'on y trouve un fichier descriptif, mis à jour début octobre ( <a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="https://data.economie.gouv.fr/api/datasets/1.0/topo-fichier-des-entites-topographiques/attachments/description_fichier_topo_20241003_pdf/" class="external free" id="mwDA">https://data.economie.gouv.fr/api/datasets/1.0/topo-fichier-des-entites-topographiques/attachments/description_fichier_topo_20241003_pdf/</a> ) qui décrit plus en détails les éléments du code, en tout cas pour la partie française. J'étais passé à côté de ces explications avant, mais ça semble cohérent avec ce que j'en avais déduit. Le document descriptif n’est pas toujours cohérent avec les données dans le fichier<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwDQ"> </span>: il décrit par exemple le niveau de type 32 comme étant des "communes étrangères" mais y on trouve en autre "99217000105511 32;<a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Préfecture_de_Nagasaki" title="en:fr:Préfecture de Nagasaki" class="extiw" id="mwDg">NAGASAKI-KEN</a>", où ken 県 est le suffixe des préfectures-départements japonais, alors qu'on devrait plutôt imaginer le libellé <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Nagasaki" title="en:fr:Nagasaki" class="extiw" id="mwDw">NAGASAKI-SHI</a> ou simplement NAGASAKI pour la ville éponyme.</li> <li id="mwEA">«<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwEQ"> </span>est-ce vraiment juste des espaces simples<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwEg"> </span>» Dans le fichier ce sont des espaces simples. Il faudrait demander aux gens de la DGFiP si on peut utiliser des "_" (ou le symbole de représentation explicite des espaces "␣") comme équivalent, ce qui aurait l’avantage d'éviter le risque de coalescence des espaces consécutives dans les navigateurs.</li> <li id="mwEw">«<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwFA"> </span>Pour la conversion, un fichier CSV de correspondance serait l'idéal<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwFQ"> </span>» Je vais voir si je peux faire les extractions de wikidata et préparer un fichier CSV.</li> <li id="mwFg">«<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwFw"> </span>Pour ton exemple, il ne fonctionne que pour les voiries (et assimilés), non<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwGA"> </span>?<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwGQ"> </span>» Oui, mais je pense que la très grande majorité des codes fantoirs actuellement renseignés sur wikidata concernent des élément de niveau voirie, non<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwGg"> </span>? Pour que ça marche avec les communes, il suffirait de changer le suffixe/type du code topo de "14" à "13" si la partie rivoli est vide. J'ai mis à jour le code d'exemple de conversion pour gérer les communes (si il y en a)</li></ul> <p id="mwGw">Cordialement</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&action=reply&topic_postId=yf5ogde2xvia0xx8#flow-post-yf5ogde2xvia0xx8" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yfbr3t728dmfhuja" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730457425" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">10:37, 1 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">23 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&topic_showPostId=yfbr1fsf0e8l45pm#flow-post-yfbr1fsf0e8l45pm"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yfbr1fsf0e8l45pm&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <script name="handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" type="text/x-handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" data-type="replace" data-target="~ a" > <form class="flow-post flow-reply-form" method="POST" action="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf5ogde2xvia0xx8&action=reply&topic_postId=yf5ogde2xvia0xx8#flow-post-yf5ogde2xvia0xx8-form-content" id="flow-reply-yf5ogde2xvia0xx8" > <input type="hidden" name="wpEditToken" value="+\" /> <input type="hidden" name="topic_replyTo" value="yf5ogde2xvia0xx8" /> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <div class="flow-anon-warning"> <div class="flow-anon-warning-mobile"> <div class="flow-form-collapsible flow-ui-tooltip mw-ui-progressive flow-ui-tooltip-down flow-ui-tooltip-block plainlinks">You are not logged in. 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Ravel">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Salut, VIGNERON<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>! </p> <p id="mwBA">Pour faire suite à <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/09" title="Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/09" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBQ">notre échange de septembre dernier sur le sujet</a>, je voudrais entreprendre, lorsqu'il y a lieu, de préciser les <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#%23Personnes%20%C3%A9crivant%20en%20occitan%0ASELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3FitemDescription%20%3Fsitelinks%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ5%3B%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP6886%2a%20wd%3AQ14185%3B%20%0A%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3Asitelinks%20%3Fsitelinks.%0A%0A%20%20%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cmul%2Cen%22%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC%28%3Fsitelinks%29" class="external text" id="mwBg">déclarations</a> concernant les auteurices en occitan provençal, en ne gardant plus que la valeur concernant ce dialecte (<i id="mwBw">exit</i> donc la valeur générique concernant l'occitan). Au moins pour celleux qui utilisent la graphie mistralienne, en tout cas (ce qui peut être précisé avec <a href="/wiki/Property:P282" title="Property:P282" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwCA">cette propriété</a>. Ma source principale serait le <i id="mwCQ"><a href="/wiki/Q130670332" title="Q130670332" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Qfr","href":"./Template:Qfr"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"130670332"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwCg">Répertoire des écrivains de langue provençale (langue mistralienne) de Roumanille à nos jours</a><sup about="#mwt1" id="mwCw">(130670332)</sup></i>, et d'autres ponctuellement pour les auteurices plus récent(e)s et qui ne figureraient pas dans cet ouvrage qui remonte à 2006. </p> <p id="mwDA">Mais comme c'est une grosse modification en perspective, je voudrais m'assurer de son bien-fondé... Pourrais-tu s'il te plaît me confirmer que c'est une bonne pratique<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwDQ"> </span>?</p> <p id="mwDg">Bien à toi<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwDw"> </span>! <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwEA">Maxime</a> 16:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf15v98m7xdzzafd#flow-post-yf15v98m7xdzzafd" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yf2pnuue7yo16t7w" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730106798" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">09:13, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&topic_showPostId=yf15v98m7xdzzafd#flow-post-yf15v98m7xdzzafd"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yf15v98m7xdzzafd&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>VIGNERON</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" class="" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON" title="Contributions/VIGNERON">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Salut,</p> <p id="mwAw">Ajouter des précisions, surtout en se basant sur une source me semble une bonne idée. Par contre, que souhaites-tu faire exactement<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBA"> </span>? remplacer ou préciser<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBQ"> </span>? (attention à rester cohérent avec les sources)</p> <p id="mwBg">Sinon, il y a quelque chose d'étrange dans ta requête SPARQL, dans "wdt:P6886*" l'étoile ne sert à rien (puisque les valeurs en P6886 n'ont pas de P6886 elles-mêmes). Si on essaye avec et sans l'étoile, on voit bien que les résultats sont exactement les mêmes. Est-ce que tu cherchais plutôt ceci <a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="https://w.wiki/Bijc" class="external free" id="mwBw">https://w.wiki/Bijc</a><span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwCA"> </span>? (<span class="statement" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"st","href":"./Template:St"},"params":{"1":{"wt":""},"2":{"wt":"P6886"},"3":{"wt":"Q14185"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwCQ"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P6886" title="Property:P6886" rel="mw:WikiLink">langues d<span typeof="mw:Entity">'</span>écriture <small>(P6886)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q14185" title="Q14185" rel="mw:WikiLink">occitan <small>(Q14185)</small></a></span></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2202089130" typeof="mw:Extension/templatestyles" about="#mwt1" data-mw="{"name":"templatestyles","attrs":{"src":"Statement/styles.css"}}">.mw-parser-output .statement{margin:0 .2em;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff);color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .statement .subject{padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .predicate{background:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .object{padding:0 .2em}</style> sans <a href="/wiki/Property:P2283" title="Property:P2283" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt4" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"P","href":"./Template:P"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"2283"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwCg">utilise<span typeof="mw:Entity"> </span><small dir="ltr">(P2283)</small></a> en qualificatif).</p> <p id="mwCw">Cdlt,</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd#flow-post-yf2lku0pgd1tsmzd" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a 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Ravel">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Merci pour cet avis<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>!</p> <p id="mwBA">Là où il y a lieu, je souhaiterais remplacer la valeur <i id="mwBQ">occitan</i> par la valeur <i id="mwBg">provençal</i>, puisque tu m'avais dit que maintenir les deux constituerait une redondance (si on écrit en provençal on écrit forcément aussi en occitan, puisque le premier est un dialecte du second).</p> <p id="mwBw">Quant à l'étoile c'est une erreur, je vais la virer.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2p6dpx9tjbtocs#flow-post-yf2p6dpx9tjbtocs" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited 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title="Contributions/VIGNERON">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Ce que je me demande (et je n'ai pas de réponse définitive), est vaut-il mieux<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>:</p> <p id="mwBA"><span class="statement" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"st","href":"./Template:St"},"params":{"1":{"wt":""},"2":{"wt":"P6886"},"3":{"wt":"Q14185"},"4":{"wt":"P2283"},"5":{"wt":"Q118664294"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBQ"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P6886" title="Property:P6886" rel="mw:WikiLink">langues d<span typeof="mw:Entity">'</span>écriture <small>(P6886)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q14185" title="Q14185" rel="mw:WikiLink">occitan <small>(Q14185)</small></a></span><wbr/><span class="qualifier"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P2283" title="Property:P2283" rel="mw:WikiLink">utilise <small>(P2283)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q118664294" title="Q118664294" rel="mw:WikiLink">provençal rhodanien <small>(Q118664294)</small></a></span></span></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2202089130" typeof="mw:Extension/templatestyles" about="#mwt1" data-mw="{"name":"templatestyles","attrs":{"src":"Statement/styles.css"}}">.mw-parser-output .statement{margin:0 .2em;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff);color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .statement .subject{padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .predicate{background:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .object{padding:0 .2em}</style></p> <p id="mwBg">ou</p> <p id="mwBw"><span class="statement" about="#mwt4" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"st","href":"./Template:St"},"params":{"1":{"wt":""},"2":{"wt":"P6886"},"3":{"wt":"Q118664294"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwCA"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P6886" title="Property:P6886" rel="mw:WikiLink">langues d<span typeof="mw:Entity">'</span>écriture <small>(P6886)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q118664294" title="Q118664294" rel="mw:WikiLink">provençal rhodanien <small>(Q118664294)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130" about="#mwt4" typeof="mw:Extension/templatestyles" data-mw="{"name":"templatestyles","attrs":{"src":"Statement/styles.css"}}"/></p> <p id="mwCQ">Le premier me semble plus direct mais le premier n'est pas formellement redondant.</p> <p id="mwCg">Reste la question de la redondance apparente de <a href="/wiki/Q119892265#P1412" title="Q119892265" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwCw">Q119892265#P1412</a>, est-ce que cette personne parle à la fois l'occitan standard et le dialecte niçois ou non<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwDA"> </span>? Je notifie <a href="/wiki/User:Caf%C3%A9Buzz" title="User:CaféBuzz" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt7" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"U","href":"./Template:U"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"CaféBuzz"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwDQ">CaféBuzz</a> qui pourra en dire plus.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2qm518xdcj0z4p#flow-post-yf2qm518xdcj0z4p" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730107824" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">09:30, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&topic_showPostId=yf2qm518xdcj0z4p#flow-post-yf2qm518xdcj0z4p"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yf2qm518xdcj0z4p&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yf2sb35gngo3yawc" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf2sb35gngo3yawc" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Maxime Ravel</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxime_Ravel" class="" title="User talk:Maxime Ravel">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maxime_Ravel" title="Contributions/Maxime Ravel">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">En effet, tout est là<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>! C'est justement ce que je voudrais savoir avant de me lancer.</p> <p id="mwBA">Vu son époque, je pense qu'Emanuel ne s'exprimait qu'en niçois.</p> <p id="mwBQ"><small id="mwBg">(Et petit détail au passage, certain(e)s auteurices en provençal maritime utilisent ou ont utilisé aussi la graphie mistralienne, qui n'est donc pas cantonnée au rhodanien.)</small></p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2p6dpx9tjbtocs#flow-post-yf2p6dpx9tjbtocs" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yf2sr85per5640zm" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730110131" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">10:08, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&topic_showPostId=yf2sb35gngo3yawc#flow-post-yf2sb35gngo3yawc"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yf2sb35gngo3yawc&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yf2pdzzgudkzk8h7" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf2pdzzgudkzk8h7" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Maxime Ravel</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxime_Ravel" class="" title="User talk:Maxime Ravel">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maxime_Ravel" title="Contributions/Maxime Ravel">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Du reste, pour ce qui est des sources, celle qui est la plus employée en la matière est apparemment le <i id="mwAw">Dictionnaire</i> de Fourié, lequel ne précise jamais dans les notices (sauf erreur) l'idiome dans lequel s'exprime chaque auteurice. Je pense que l'auteur des déclarations s'est juste basé sur le titre de l'ouvrage (<i id="mwBA">auteurs en langue d'oc</i>).</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2pdzzgudkzk8h7#flow-post-yf2pdzzgudkzk8h7" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yf2plvvfch9os44g" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730106739" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">09:12, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&topic_showPostId=yf2pdzzgudkzk8h7#flow-post-yf2pdzzgudkzk8h7"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yf2pdzzgudkzk8h7&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yf2tmd9whh8filiv" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf2tmd9whh8filiv" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Caf%C3%A9Buzz" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>CaféBuzz</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caf%C3%A9Buzz" class="" title="User talk:CaféBuzz">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Caf%C3%A9Buzz" title="Contributions/CaféBuzz">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Bonjour,</p> <p id="mwAw"> <br id="mwBA"/> Il me semble logique que le champ contienne la langue et non pas le dialecte ou le sous-dialecte. On pourrait se perdre en arguties sur la question de savoir s'il vaut mieux indiquer que Mistral écrit en occitan, en provençal ou en provençal rhodanien. Pareil par exemple pour Max Rouquette, occitan, languedocien ou montpelliérain. Et pour des centaines d'autres. Wikidata est une base de donnée censée rapporter les informations rapportées par des sources, pas se livrer à des choix éditoriaux. À titre d'exemple, la BNF ne retient en principe que la mention «<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBQ"> </span>occitan<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBg"> </span>» sans se préoccuper du dialecte (confirmé après un échange avec eux au sujet de multiples incohérences et erreurs que j'ai pu trouver dans leurs fiches<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBw"> </span>; autre chose est qu'ils refusent de corriger les erreurs lorsqu'on leur signale...). Le champ devrait pouvoir accueillir en plus de la langue une hiérarchie d'idiomes pour pouvoir contenir toutes les informations attestées sans redondance. Dans un autre contexte, prenons l'exemple de Céline Dion, ira-t-on indiquer qu'elle parle québecois ou français<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwCA"> </span>? Évidemment on indique français, mais on devrait aussi pouvoir indiquer son dialecte.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2tmd9whh8filiv#flow-post-yf2tmd9whh8filiv" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited by Maxime Ravel </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yf2uoakzx97h8phm" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730112198" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">10:43, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&topic_showPostId=yf2tmd9whh8filiv#flow-post-yf2tmd9whh8filiv"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yf2tmd9whh8filiv&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yf2uevd0f7v9ph9e" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf2uevd0f7v9ph9e" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Maxime Ravel</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxime_Ravel" class="" title="User talk:Maxime Ravel">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maxime_Ravel" title="Contributions/Maxime Ravel">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Merci pour cet avis. Cependant sur la mention des sous-ensembles linguistiques (dialectes, sous-dialectes, etc.), je crains de ne pas être tout à fait d'accord. Je crois qu'il faut suivre les sources fiables, et en l'occurrence il me semble assez unanimement attesté que Mistral pratiquait le rhodanien. Pour Rouquette, je connais encore trop mal son œuvre et la littérature critique à son propos pour en juger. Mais il est rare qu'il y ait des divergences sur l'idiome employé, en fait elles portent plutôt sur le statut dudit idiome (mais justement, les éléments des auteurices ne sont pas le lieu pour exposer ces controverses, il me semble).</p> <p id="mwAw">Aussi la mention des deux me semble-t-elle quand même assez redondante, à bien y réfléchir. Mais mon avis reste ouvert.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2uevd0f7v9ph9e#flow-post-yf2uevd0f7v9ph9e" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yf2uti8l0ohawnuw" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730112354" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">10:45, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before 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class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Maxime Ravel</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxime_Ravel" class="" title="User talk:Maxime Ravel">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maxime_Ravel" title="Contributions/Maxime Ravel">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Il faudrait peut-être aussi voir quel est l'esprit qui a présidé à la création de P1412<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>: cette propriété avait-elle vocation à se limiter aux langues, ou à inclure également les sous-ensembles linguistiques<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBA"> </span>?</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a 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flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" class="" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON" title="Contributions/VIGNERON">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Sur Wikidata, on ne se limite généralement pas aux langues. Que ce soit P1412, P6886, etc. on accepte tout languoïde.</p> <p id="mwAw">Côté, BnF, je viens de faire une requête SPARQL sur leurs données et je vois qu'ils se basent sur l'ISO 639-2B et qu'il n'y a pas non plus que des langues stricto sensu<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBA"> </span>: <a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="https://data.bnf.fr/sparql/#query=PREFIX%20foaf%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fxmlns.com%2Ffoaf%2F0.1%2F%3E%0APREFIX%20bio%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fvocab.org%2Fbio%2F0.1%2F%3E%0ASELECT%20%3Flang%20(COUNT(%3Fa)%20AS%20%3Fnb)%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%3Fa%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Frdvocab.info%2FElementsGr2%2FlanguageOfThePerson%3E%20%3Flang%20.%0A%7D%0AGROUP%20BY%20%3Flang%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC(%3Fnb)" class="external free" id="mwBQ">https://data.bnf.fr/sparql/#query=PREFIX%20foaf%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fxmlns.com%2Ffoaf%2F0.1%2F%3E%0APREFIX%20bio%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fvocab.org%2Fbio%2F0.1%2F%3E%0ASELECT%20%3Flang%20(COUNT(%3Fa)%20AS%20%3Fnb)%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%3Fa%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Frdvocab.info%2FElementsGr2%2FlanguageOfThePerson%3E%20%3Flang%20.%0A%7D%0AGROUP%20BY%20%3Flang%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC(%3Fnb)</a> (on voit par exemple chinois ou alémanique et même "non applicable" - utilisé surtout pour des musiciens<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBg"> </span>?!?). Et oui, la BnF ne corrige plus les erreurs signalées.</p> <p id="mwBw">Dans tout les cas, le mieux est effectivement de suivre les sources mais il faut prendre les meilleures sources disponibles (or la BnF est vite limitée, les dictionnaires citées me semble à privilégier si possible).</p> <p id="mwCA">Au final et pragmatiquement, je pense que la meilleure solution de compromis serait d'indiquer la langue avec le dialecte en qualificatif. Qu'en pensez-vous<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwCQ"> </span>?</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2w2zeknwrppd0w#flow-post-yf2w2zeknwrppd0w" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730113715" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">11:08, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only 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class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Caf%C3%A9Buzz" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>CaféBuzz</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caf%C3%A9Buzz" class="" title="User talk:CaféBuzz">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Caf%C3%A9Buzz" title="Contributions/CaféBuzz">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Je suis d'accord, et cela permettrait d'indiquer plusieurs valeurs sans redondance (à défaut de disposer d'une vue hiérarchique).</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2wricen6u8yg86#flow-post-yf2wricen6u8yg86" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span 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<article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Pour la BNF je me référais uniquement à l'occitan car c'est à ce sujet que je les avais contactés.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2wuhejg2witpiq#flow-post-yf2wuhejg2witpiq" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730114538" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">11:22, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> 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<div id="flow-post-yf2ywgnmych5twor" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf2ywgnmych5twor" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Maxime Ravel</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxime_Ravel" class="" title="User talk:Maxime Ravel">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maxime_Ravel" title="Contributions/Maxime Ravel">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Bon, d'accord aussi<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>! L'important est surtout de garder le degré de precision. Je vais modifier en ce sens les quelques déclarations avec <i id="mwBA">provençal</i> en valeur.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2w2zeknwrppd0w#flow-post-yf2w2zeknwrppd0w" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730116752" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">11:59, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&topic_showPostId=yf2ywgnmych5twor#flow-post-yf2ywgnmych5twor"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yf2ywgnmych5twor&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yf2wolov9kfh97h0" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf2wolov9kfh97h0" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Caf%C3%A9Buzz" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>CaféBuzz</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caf%C3%A9Buzz" class="" title="User talk:CaféBuzz">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Caf%C3%A9Buzz" title="Contributions/CaféBuzz">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Je n'ai donné que deux exemples notoires, mais il est facile de se rendre compte que dans de nombreux autres cas on pourrait se lancer dans des discussions sans fin à ce sujet (qu'en est-il des auteurs gardois dont le dialecte est le provençal<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>? De ceux, et il y en a un certain nombre à l'âge d'or du Félibrige, qui écrivaient en rhodanien alors qu'ils n'étaient pas eux-même provençaux<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBA"> </span>? Des auteurs antérieurs au Félibrige<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBQ"> </span>? de Victor Gelu, qui écrivait en parler marseillais et rejetait la graphie mistralienne<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBg"> </span>?...), les limites du provençal ne coïncident pas avec celles de la Provence (on parle provençal hors de Provence et on parle vivaro-alpin dans une partie de cette région), que fait-on de ceux qui ont utilisé plusieurs graphies... Ce n'est pas une question d'être unanimement attesté, personne ne conteste que Mistral écrivait en rhodanien, et il est tout aussi bien attesté que Rouquette écrivain en occitan, il est le plus grand écrivain dans cette langue du XXe siècle, en dialecte languedocien et en parler montpelliérain. Je me répète<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBw"> </span>: WD est une base de données qui doit rapporter des données attestées, pas se livrer à des choix éditoriaux selon des critères discutables.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2wolov9kfh97h0#flow-post-yf2wolov9kfh97h0" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yf2wxivb35hzb5tc" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730114629" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">11:23, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&topic_showPostId=yf2wolov9kfh97h0#flow-post-yf2wolov9kfh97h0"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yf2wolov9kfh97h0&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies">  <div id="flow-post-yf301zvnya5vq9xm" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf301zvnya5vq9xm" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Maxime Ravel</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxime_Ravel" class="" title="User talk:Maxime Ravel">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maxime_Ravel" title="Contributions/Maxime Ravel">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Je pense que tous les cas de figure que tu évoques peuvent être gérés sans trop de difficultés par des déclarations et qualificatifs idoines. Mais nous pourrons en reparler si un cas litigieux se présente. <small id="mwAw">(Et je sais bien qu'on parle provençal hors des limites administratives de la Provence, étant moi-même un locuteur originaire de Petite Camargue...)</small></p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2wolov9kfh97h0#flow-post-yf2wolov9kfh97h0" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yf3049oejjlyy2ds" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730118063" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">12:21, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" 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id="mwAw">CaféBuzz</a> pour le coup ça c'est une question très facile, comme tu le dis<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBA"> </span>: on suit ce que disent les sources.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2x50blh0r92f9k#flow-post-yf2x50blh0r92f9k" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730114853" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">11:27, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a 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class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf2xht1df6rmggly" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Caf%C3%A9Buzz" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>CaféBuzz</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caf%C3%A9Buzz" class="" title="User talk:CaféBuzz">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Caf%C3%A9Buzz" title="Contributions/CaféBuzz">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Tout à fait, la question est comment gérer la redonance de l'information en conservant le degré de précision de chaque source. J'ai compulsé le dictionnaire de Jean Fourié, qui est l'ouvrage de référence sur le sujet, et il n'indique pratiquement jamais le dialecte.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2xht1df6rmggly#flow-post-yf2xht1df6rmggly" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730115236" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">11:33, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a 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class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf2yu827n97rgbh5" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Maxime Ravel</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxime_Ravel" class="" title="User talk:Maxime Ravel">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maxime_Ravel" title="Contributions/Maxime Ravel">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Exact.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf2yu827n97rgbh5#flow-post-yf2yu827n97rgbh5" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a 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J'espère que cela vous convient à tous deux, car je vais continuer ainsi.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf35jn4b67e4c729#flow-post-yf35jn4b67e4c729" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730123910" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">13:58, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only 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class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Caf%C3%A9Buzz" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>CaféBuzz</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caf%C3%A9Buzz" class="" title="User talk:CaféBuzz">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Caf%C3%A9Buzz" title="Contributions/CaféBuzz">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Ça correspond à ce que j'avais fait (très partiellement), je n'avais rien trouvé de mieux.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf3674ro1i3rtcv7#flow-post-yf3674ro1i3rtcv7" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a 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mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Cela me semble bien.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf35jn4b67e4c729#flow-post-yf35jn4b67e4c729" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730124662" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">14:11, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before 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<div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Maxime Ravel</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxime_Ravel" class="" title="User talk:Maxime Ravel">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maxime_Ravel" title="Contributions/Maxime Ravel">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Dernier truc<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>: @VIGNERON, pourrais-tu m'aider à construire une requête appelant toustes les auteurices <a href="/wiki/Property:P6886" title="Property:P6886" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBA">écrivant</a> en <a href="/wiki/Q241243" title="Q241243" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Qfr","href":"./Template:Qfr"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"241243"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBQ">provençal</a><sup about="#mwt1" id="mwBg">(241243)</sup> (variétés <a href="/wiki/Q118519567" title="Q118519567" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBw">maritime</a> et <a href="/wiki/Q118664294" title="Q118664294" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwCA">rhodanienne</a> incluses), et <a href="/wiki/Property:P282" title="Property:P282" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwCQ">utilisant</a> la <a href="/wiki/Q930193" title="Q930193" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt2" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Qfr","href":"./Template:Qfr"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"930193"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwCg">norme mistralienne</a><sup about="#mwt2" id="mwCw">(930193)</sup><span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwDA"> </span>? Je crois que je cale un peu...</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf363bmx3d13fpcu#flow-post-yf363bmx3d13fpcu" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yf363yhouv67lbbq" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730124518" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">14:08, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before 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Cela va m'être très utile</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf36k73wsv5o6z30#flow-post-yf36k73wsv5o6z30" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730125004" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">14:16, 28 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&topic_showPostId=yf36k73wsv5o6z30#flow-post-yf36k73wsv5o6z30"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yf36k73wsv5o6z30&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yfa7sniggeqkw815" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yfa7sniggeqkw815" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Maxime Ravel</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxime_Ravel" class="" title="User talk:Maxime Ravel">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maxime_Ravel" title="Contributions/Maxime Ravel">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Salut, serait-ce abuser de te demander de m'aider à inclure un autre paramètre à la requête<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>? Je voudrais que les auteurices soient classé(e)s par ordre croissant de leur date de naissance, si possible en faisant apparaître les dates...</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yfa7sniggeqkw815#flow-post-yfa7sniggeqkw815" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730397835" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">18:03, 31 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">24 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&topic_showPostId=yfa7sniggeqkw815#flow-post-yfa7sniggeqkw815"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yfa7sniggeqkw815&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yfa8agnyz5pko7x5" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yfa8agnyz5pko7x5" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>VIGNERON</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" class="" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON" title="Contributions/VIGNERON">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Comme ceci<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>: <a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="https://w.wiki/Bn6R" class="external free" id="mwBA">https://w.wiki/Bn6R</a><span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBQ"> </span>? (et bonjour de la WikiConvention francophone à Québec)</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf15v98m7tfxr6h5#flow-post-yf15v98m7tfxr6h5" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730398368" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">18:12, 31 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">24 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&topic_showPostId=yfa8agnyz5pko7x5#flow-post-yfa8agnyz5pko7x5"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yfa8agnyz5pko7x5&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <script name="handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" type="text/x-handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" data-type="replace" data-target="~ a" > <form class="flow-post flow-reply-form" method="POST" action="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yf15v98m7tfxr6h5&action=reply&topic_postId=yf15v98m7tfxr6h5#flow-post-yf15v98m7tfxr6h5-form-content" id="flow-reply-yf15v98m7tfxr6h5" > <input type="hidden" name="wpEditToken" value="+\" /> <input type="hidden" name="topic_replyTo" value="yf15v98m7tfxr6h5" /> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <div class="flow-anon-warning"> <div class="flow-anon-warning-mobile"> <div class="flow-form-collapsible flow-ui-tooltip mw-ui-progressive flow-ui-tooltip-down flow-ui-tooltip-block plainlinks">You are not logged in. 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data-flow-topic-title="Adaptation d&#039;une requête" data-flow-load-handler="topicTitle" > Adaptation d'une requête</h2> <div class="flow-topic-meta"> 4 comments • <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycxxqv8nth5g44nd&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1727247539" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">06:58, 25 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">1 month ago</span> </span> </a> </div> <span class="flow-reply-count"><span class="flow-reply-count-number">4</span></span> </div> <div class="flow-topic-summary-container " > <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show topic action menu"></span></a></div> <ul 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</span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Hello, je suis tombé sur un modèle préformaté de requêtage de valeurs différentes pour une même propriété<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>: quelles sont les items ayant plusieurs P5817. Le hic, est que ça compte même les items avec une P5817 en rang préféré (=1 seule valeur au final). Comment faire pour que ça cherche les P5817 ayant <u id="mwBA">plusieurs </u>valeurs de même rang<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBQ"> </span>? </p> <p id="mwBg"><a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="https://w.wiki/BHXo" class="external free" id="mwBw">https://w.wiki/BHXo</a></p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycxxqv8nth5g44nd&action=reply&topic_postId=ycxxqv8ntl3ic8ll#flow-post-ycxxqv8ntl3ic8ll" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycxxqv8nth5g44nd&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1727129001" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">22:03, 23 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months 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talk:P5817" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBA">Property talk:P5817</a><span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBQ"> </span>; d'ailleurs, sauf erreur, la contrainte "Une seule valeur" - dont tu as repris la requête - devrait sans doute être supprimée.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycxxqv8nth5g44nd&action=reply&topic_postId=yczq2m1athgn4goq#flow-post-yczq2m1athgn4goq" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ycxxqv8nth5g44nd&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1727198305" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">17:18, 24 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div 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data-flow-topic-title="Gertrude dans le Grand-Est" data-flow-load-handler="topicTitle" > Gertrude dans le Grand-Est</h2> <div class="flow-topic-meta"> 5 comments • <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybsx3yqd45zojvos&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1726868674" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">21:44, 20 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </div> <span class="flow-reply-count"><span class="flow-reply-count-number">5</span></span> </div> <div class="flow-topic-summary-container " > <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show topic action menu"></span></a></div> <ul 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<article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Bonjour Vigneron,</p> <p id="mwAw">Tu avais fait créer les propriétés pour les différents inventaires régionaux (la plupart sous Gertrude), merci à toi<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBA"> </span>!</p> <p id="mwBQ">Tu disais à l'époque <i id="mwBg">one for each French region</i>. Toutes<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBw"> </span>? Non<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwCA"> </span>! Car une résistait<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwCQ"> </span>: le Grand-Est<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwCg"> </span>:)</p> <p id="mwCw">À l'époque c'était en effet le bazar, avec 3 bases distinctes héritées des anciennes régions, liées depuis le portail de la nouvelle mais dysfonctionnelles. Mais maintenant qu'on a <a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="https://inventaire.grandest.fr/gertrude-diffusion/" class="external text" id="mwDA">une belle base unique</a>, est-ce que tu pourrais combler ce manque<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwDQ"> </span>?</p> <p id="mwDg">Cela permettrait au passage de réaffecter les quelques monuments ardennais <a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="https://w.wiki/B6nC" class="external text" id="mwDw">égarés sur l'inventaire d'une autre contrée</a>.</p> <p id="mwEA">Merci</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybsx3yqd45zojvos&action=reply&topic_postId=ybsx3yqd49xqrzn0#flow-post-ybsx3yqd49xqrzn0" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybsx3yqd45zojvos&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1725538098" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">12:08, 5 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybsx3yqd45zojvos&topic_showPostId=ybsx3yqd49xqrzn0#flow-post-ybsx3yqd49xqrzn0"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybsx3yqd45zojvos&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=ybsx3yqd49xqrzn0&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-ybsz5t68fobqn252" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="ybsz5t68fobqn252" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>VIGNERON</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" class="" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON" title="Contributions/VIGNERON">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Bonjour,</p> <p id="mwAw">Je pourrais faire la proposition, mais quand je vois que les propriétés pour les autres régions sont quasiment inutilisées, je suis un peu hésitant. Je regarde ça plus en détail dans la semaine (et d'ici là, n'hésite pas à regarder voire à essayer sur <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal" title="Wikidata:Property proposal" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBA">Wikidata:Property proposal</a>).</p> <p id="mwBQ">Cdlt,</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybsx3yqd45zojvos&action=reply&topic_postId=ybsz5t68fobqn252#flow-post-ybsz5t68fobqn252" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybsx3yqd45zojvos&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1725540308" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">12:45, 5 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> 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rassurer, ma demande n'était pas désintéressée, j'ai bien l'intention d'utiliser la propriété, prioritairement pour l'Alsace mais aussi de façon plus large.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybsx3yqd45zojvos&action=reply&topic_postId=ybt6b8feky2uhwp9#flow-post-ybt6b8feky2uhwp9" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybsx3yqd45zojvos&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1725548012" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">14:53, 5 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a 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id="mwBQ">N'hésite pas à regarder, vérifier, commenter, etc. (notamment à compléter/corriger les exemples que j'ai donné).</p> <p id="mwBg">Cdlt,</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybsx3yqd45zojvos&action=reply&topic_postId=ycqyeuelmb4pyofw#flow-post-ycqyeuelmb4pyofw" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybsx3yqd45zojvos&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1726858218" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">18:50, 20 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a 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id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Hello, une petite question de requêtage<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>: je voulais les éléments ayant pour seule P31 = Q55493 (et aucune autre P31). J'ai pas l'impression que ce soit bon, si? <a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="https://w.wiki/BDw7" class="external free" id="mwBA">https://w.wiki/BDw7</a></p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7dvnnydub2ib6&action=reply&topic_postId=yck7dvnnyhsdam9e#flow-post-yck7dvnnyhsdam9e" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7dvnnydub2ib6&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1726596385" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">18:06, 17 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7dvnnydub2ib6&topic_showPostId=yck7dvnnyhsdam9e#flow-post-yck7dvnnyhsdam9e"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7dvnnydub2ib6&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yck7dvnnyhsdam9e&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yclf3q50285ia9fp" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yclf3q50285ia9fp" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>VIGNERON</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" class="" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON" title="Contributions/VIGNERON">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Salut <a href="/wiki/User:Bouzinac" title="User:Bouzinac" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"U","href":"./Template:U"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Bouzinac"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwAw">Bouzinac</a>,</p> <p id="mwBA">Bonne question. Il y a peut-être plus efficace mais dans ce genre de cas, je préfère passer par un décompte du nombre de value<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBQ"> </span>: <a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="https://w.wiki/BEBd" class="external free" id="mwBg">https://w.wiki/BEBd</a>.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7dvnnydub2ib6&action=reply&topic_postId=yclf3q50285ia9fp#flow-post-yclf3q50285ia9fp" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7dvnnydub2ib6&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1726643486" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">07:11, 18 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7dvnnydub2ib6&topic_showPostId=yclf3q50285ia9fp#flow-post-yclf3q50285ia9fp"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7dvnnydub2ib6&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yclf3q50285ia9fp&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yclic6apb8myptns" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yclic6apb8myptns" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Bouzinac" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Bouzinac</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bouzinac" class="" title="User talk:Bouzinac">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bouzinac" title="Contributions/Bouzinac">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Exactement mon besoin. 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id="mwAg">Hello, I noticed that you made the following reversions to my changes:</p> <p id="mwAw"><a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q237&oldid=prev&diff=2249235378" class="external free" id="mwBA">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q237&oldid=prev&diff=2249235378</a></p> <p id="mwBQ"><a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q235&oldid=prev&diff=2249235009" class="external free" id="mwBg">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q235&oldid=prev&diff=2249235009</a></p> <p id="mwBw">The capital of Monaco is Monaco, and the capital of the Vatican City is the Vatican City (per the reference I cited). Please could you share your rationale on why you reverted these?</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7r7mb9mimhqnt&action=reply&topic_postId=yck7r7mb9qgopum1#flow-post-yck7r7mb9qgopum1" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7r7mb9mimhqnt&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1726596784" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">18:13, 17 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7r7mb9mimhqnt&topic_showPostId=yck7r7mb9qgopum1#flow-post-yck7r7mb9qgopum1"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7r7mb9mimhqnt&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yck7r7mb9qgopum1&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yclcyazi298266zs" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yclcyazi298266zs" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>VIGNERON</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" class="" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON" title="Contributions/VIGNERON">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Hello,</p> <p id="mwAw">It's a bit of a complicated issue and there is two separate problems:</p> <ul id="mwBA"><li id="mwBQ">first you did a self-reference (adding the state as the capital of the state itself), if you really want to add such data, please use separate items (like <span class="statement" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"st","href":"./Template:St"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Q235"},"2":{"wt":"P36"},"3":{"wt":"Q55115"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBg"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q235" title="Q235" rel="mw:WikiLink">Monaco <small>(Q235)</small></a></b><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P36" title="Property:P36" rel="mw:WikiLink">capitale <small>(P36)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q55115" title="Q55115" rel="mw:WikiLink">Monaco-Ville <small>(Q55115)</small></a></span></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2202089130" typeof="mw:Extension/templatestyles" about="#mwt1" data-mw="{"name":"templatestyles","attrs":{"src":"Statement/styles.css"}}">.mw-parser-output .statement{margin:0 .2em;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff);color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .statement .subject{padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .predicate{background:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .object{padding:0 .2em}</style> or <a href="/wiki/Q3685392" title="Q3685392" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt4" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Q","href":"./Template:Q"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"3685392"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBw">commune de Monaco <small>(Q3685392)</small></a>).</li> <li id="mwCA">then, <i id="mwCQ">The World Factbook</i> seems incorrect, these 2 city-states don't have a capital - clearly not de jure and probably not even de facto. The "no value" fits better the reality and should be preferred.</li></ul> <p id="mwCg">Cheers,</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7r7mb9mimhqnt&action=reply&topic_postId=yck7r7mb9mimhqnt#flow-post-yck7r7mb9mimhqnt" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7r7mb9mimhqnt&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1726641169" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">06:32, 18 September 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7r7mb9mimhqnt&topic_showPostId=yclcyazi298266zs#flow-post-yclcyazi298266zs"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7r7mb9mimhqnt&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yclcyazi298266zs&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <script name="handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" type="text/x-handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" data-type="replace" data-target="~ a" > <form class="flow-post flow-reply-form" method="POST" action="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yck7r7mb9mimhqnt&action=reply&topic_postId=yck7r7mb9mimhqnt#flow-post-yck7r7mb9mimhqnt-form-content" id="flow-reply-yck7r7mb9mimhqnt" > <input type="hidden" name="wpEditToken" value="+\" /> <input type="hidden" name="topic_replyTo" value="yck7r7mb9mimhqnt" /> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <div class="flow-anon-warning"> <div class="flow-anon-warning-mobile"> <div class="flow-form-collapsible flow-ui-tooltip mw-ui-progressive flow-ui-tooltip-down flow-ui-tooltip-block plainlinks">You are not logged in. 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I saw you removed the statement <a href="/wiki/Property:P973" title="Property:P973" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"P","href":"./Template:P"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"973"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwAw">described at URL<span typeof="mw:Entity"> </span><small dir="ltr">(P973)</small></a> from several articles about castles/fortresses in Greece, and I just read below why you did it (that the URL is already mentioned in identifiers pretty much) which makes sense, but I believe it isn't much helpful because not all identifiers of an item act as description of that item, but usually as an index. So, having an explicit statement where it is mentioned the URL that best describes that item is a good idea to have, even if that same URL exists elsewhere in the item.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yari7iexj4fwr4nn&action=reply&topic_postId=yari7iexj8dyz8lv#flow-post-yari7iexj8dyz8lv" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yari7iexj4fwr4nn&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1724086969" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">17:02, 19 August 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">3 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yari7iexj4fwr4nn&topic_showPostId=yari7iexj8dyz8lv#flow-post-yari7iexj8dyz8lv"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yari7iexj4fwr4nn&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yari7iexj8dyz8lv&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div>  <div id="flow-post-yarjjk7f59k3fdvy" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yarjjk7f59k3fdvy" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>VIGNERON</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" class="" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/VIGNERON" title="Contributions/VIGNERON">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Hi,</p> <p id="mwAw">I understand the nuance you're trying to make but Redundancy is a very bad practice which only cause problem and should be avoided at all cost (a few people started <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Redundancy" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Redundancy" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBA">Wikidata:WikiProject Redundancy</a>).</p> <p id="mwBQ">I removed ~150 000 duplicate statements with P973 and I'll remove more in the future. If you really want to say that an identifier is more than just identifying, there is several other options: put a qualifier on the statements or (if the whole database is concerned) put a statement of the identifier property.</p> <p id="mwBg">Cheers,</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yari7iexj4fwr4nn&action=reply&topic_postId=yari7iexj4fwr4nn#flow-post-yari7iexj4fwr4nn" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yari7iexj4fwr4nn&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1724088407" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">17:26, 19 August 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">3 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yari7iexj4fwr4nn&topic_showPostId=yarjjk7f59k3fdvy#flow-post-yarjjk7f59k3fdvy"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yari7iexj4fwr4nn&action=moderate-post&topic_postId=yarjjk7f59k3fdvy&topic_moderationState=hide" data-flow-interactive-handler="moderationDialog" data-flow-template="flow_moderate_post.partial" data-role="hide"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-flag"><span>Hide</span></span></a></li></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <script name="handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" type="text/x-handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" data-type="replace" data-target="~ a" > <form class="flow-post flow-reply-form" method="POST" action="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yari7iexj4fwr4nn&action=reply&topic_postId=yari7iexj4fwr4nn#flow-post-yari7iexj4fwr4nn-form-content" id="flow-reply-yari7iexj4fwr4nn" > <input type="hidden" name="wpEditToken" value="+\" /> <input type="hidden" name="topic_replyTo" value="yari7iexj4fwr4nn" /> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <div class="flow-anon-warning"> <div class="flow-anon-warning-mobile"> <div class="flow-form-collapsible flow-ui-tooltip mw-ui-progressive flow-ui-tooltip-down flow-ui-tooltip-block plainlinks">You are not logged in. 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class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">18:36, 2 August 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">3 months ago</span> </span> </a> </div> <div class="flow-topic-summary-content mw-parser-output"> <section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Discussion moved to the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Q19101569" title="Talk:Q19101569" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwAw">Talk:Q19101569</a></p></section> </div> <div style="clear: both;"></div> </div> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show topic action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet flow-ui-edit-title-link" 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from another much larger publication.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y9p9gnkux9n1ah50&action=reply&topic_postId=y9p9gnkuxdl3il38#flow-post-y9p9gnkuxdl3il38" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y9p9gnkux9n1ah50&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=y9paaw7sw0ps5q05" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1722604591" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">13:16, 2 August 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">3 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon 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I will continue to discuss this with you at: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Q19101569" title="Talk:Q19101569" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwAw">Talk:Q19101569</a>. 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Il me semblait pourtant que ce lien apportait des informations vérifiées et pertinentes sur l’œuvre... Quelque chose doit m'échapper<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBA"> </span>! Peux-tu m'éclairer<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwBQ"> </span>?</p> <p id="mwBg"><span typeof="mw:Nowiki" id="mwBw">Bien cordialement, ~~~~ </span></p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y9fxmsm3g8jxj1uq&action=reply&topic_postId=y9fxmsm3gchzr5sy#flow-post-y9fxmsm3gchzr5sy" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y9fxmsm3g8jxj1uq&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1722241869" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">08:31, 29 July 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">3 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a 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le lien était déjà présent avec une propriété identifiant spécifique, inutile d'avoir deux fois le même lien sur un élément.</p> <p id="mwBQ">Cdlt,</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y9fxmsm3g8jxj1uq&action=reply&topic_postId=y9fxt7kmw6pbnfzv#flow-post-y9fxt7kmw6pbnfzv" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y9fxmsm3g8jxj1uq&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1722242061" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">08:34, 29 July 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">3 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a 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Désolé, c'est évident, mais je n'avais pas vu l'identifiant MNR...</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y9fxmsm3g8jxj1uq&action=reply&topic_postId=y9fyxjhnw5s592s0#flow-post-y9fyxjhnw5s592s0" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y9fxmsm3g8jxj1uq&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1722243268" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">08:54, 29 July 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">3 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" 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data-flow-topic-title="Pocket Oxford-Hachette French Dictionary: English-French ID" data-flow-load-handler="topicTitle" > Pocket Oxford-Hachette French Dictionary: English-French ID</h2> <div class="flow-topic-meta"> One comment • <a href="//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Y904jsdxxx6egno5&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1721628748" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">06:12, 22 July 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 months ago</span> </span> </a> </div> <span class="flow-reply-count"><span class="flow-reply-count-number">1</span></span> </div> <div class="flow-topic-summary-container " > <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show topic 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</span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Bonjour <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwAw">VIGNERON</a>. Félicitations et un grand merci pour votre crucial soutien à la création de la propriété <a href="/wiki/Property:P12903" title="Property:P12903" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"P","href":"./Template:P"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"12903"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBA">French-English Dictionary ID<span typeof="mw:Entity"> </span><small dir="ltr">(P12903)</small></a> que j'espère utile pour toute la communauté francophone. Pourriez-vous maintenant apporter votre soutien à la création de la propriété inverse afin que l'on puisse avoir un duo bilingue: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pocket_Oxford-Hachette_French_Dictionary:_English-French_ID" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Pocket Oxford-Hachette French Dictionary: English-French ID" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBQ">Pocket Oxford-Hachette French Dictionary: English-French ID</a>. 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