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margin: 0 0 0.5em 0.5em; text-align:left; border: 1px solid #006B3F; width:175px;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="font-size: 95%; text-align:center; color:White; background-color:#006B3F"><b>Party Like It's 632</b><br /><a href="/wiki/Islam" title="Islam"><font size="5" color="White"><b>Islam</b></font></a> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" align="center"><a href="/wiki/Category:Islam" title="Category:Islam"><img alt="Icon islam.svg" src="/w/images/thumb/6/62/Icon_islam.svg/100px-Icon_islam.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" srcset="/w/images/thumb/6/62/Icon_islam.svg/150px-Icon_islam.svg.png 1.5x, /w/images/thumb/6/62/Icon_islam.svg/200px-Icon_islam.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 95%; color:White; background-color:#006B3F; text-align:center;"><b>Turning towards Mecca</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 95%; background-color:#FFFFFF;"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/East_London_Mosque" title="East London Mosque">East London Mosque</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Religion_of_Peace" title="Religion of Peace">Religion of Peace</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Halal" title="Halal">Halal</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Al-Muhajiroun" title="Al-Muhajiroun">Al-Muhajiroun</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad" title="Mahmoud Ahmadinejad">Mahmoud Ahmadinejad</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Qur%27anic_scientific_foreknowledge" title="Qur'anic scientific foreknowledge">Qur'anic scientific foreknowledge</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/DAESH" title="DAESH">DAESH</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Al-F%C4%81r%C4%81b%C4%AB" title="Al-Fārābī">Al-Fārābī</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/The_Elevated_Places" title="The Elevated Places">The Elevated Places</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ahmadiyya" title="Ahmadiyya">Ahmadiyya</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Abd_ul-Rahman_Lomax" title="Abd ul-Rahman Lomax">Abd ul-Rahman Lomax</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Islam" title="Islam">Islam</a></li></ul> <div class="vte plainlinks" style="font-size:smaller; text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Template:Islamnav" title="Template:Islamnav">v</a> - <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Islamnav" title="Template talk:Islamnav">t</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Islamnav&action=edit">e</a></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b>Fatwa envy</b> is the term used for the phenomenon of non-<a href="/wiki/Muslim" class="mw-redirect" title="Muslim">Muslim</a> people complaining that criticism of <i>their</i> (usually authoritarian or theocratic) religious or political beliefs is hypocritical, on the grounds that similar criticism would never be directed at Muslims for fear of violent reprisals<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1">[note 1]</a></sup> (or, in a related argument, because of <a href="/wiki/Political_correctness" title="Political correctness">political correctness</a>). This complaint is widely associated with <a href="/wiki/Poe%27s_law" class="mw-redirect" title="Poe's law">Poe</a>-like <a href="/wiki/Christianity" title="Christianity">Christians</a>, although more secular <a href="/wiki/Wingnut" title="Wingnut">wingnuts</a> have been known to employ it as well. </p> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Nature_of_the_condition"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Nature of the condition</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#Meaning_of_Fatwa"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Meaning of Fatwa</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#The_fatwa_envy_jamboree"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">The fatwa envy jamboree</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4"><a href="#Pat_Condell"><span class="tocnumber">3.1</span> <span class="toctext">Pat Condell</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-5"><a href="#Richard_Dawkins"><span class="tocnumber">3.2</span> <span class="toctext">Richard Dawkins</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-6"><a href="#Johann_Hari"><span class="tocnumber">3.3</span> <span class="toctext">Johann Hari</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-7"><a href="#Sam_Harris"><span class="tocnumber">3.4</span> <span class="toctext">Sam Harris</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-8"><a href="#Christopher_Hitchens"><span class="tocnumber">3.5</span> <span class="toctext">Christopher Hitchens</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-9"><a href="#Bill_Maher"><span class="tocnumber">3.6</span> <span class="toctext">Bill Maher</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-10"><a href="#Phil_Mason"><span class="tocnumber">3.7</span> <span class="toctext">Phil Mason</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-11"><a href="#Paul_Zachary_Myers"><span class="tocnumber">3.8</span> <span class="toctext">Paul Zachary Myers</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-12"><a href="#Maryam_Namazie"><span class="tocnumber">3.9</span> <span class="toctext">Maryam Namazie</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-13"><a href="#Taslima_Nasrin"><span class="tocnumber">3.10</span> <span class="toctext">Taslima Nasrin</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Examples"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Examples</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#See_also"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">See also</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#Notes"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Notes</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Nature_of_the_condition">Nature of the condition</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Nature of the condition">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>The rants of <a href="/wiki/Fatwa" title="Fatwa">Fatwa</a>-envy-filled posters generally start angry, upset, or frothing at what the target said or did. The screed then turns to how the other religion would not tolerate what was said (almost as if the person ranting wishes they or fellow religious brethren would turn to violence or killing). To complete the rant, the ranter usually prays for or forgives the target, or explains that they will be going to <a href="/wiki/Hell" title="Hell">hell</a> if they do not repent for alleged sins. </p><p>Fatwa envy is full of lulz because the ranter does not understand that a loving and forgiving religious person would not imply that they'd like to see violence done to those who disagree with them (at least not without openly criticizing themselves for it), and would (at least try their best to) forgive any supposed wrongs before making veiled half-threats on a blog or forum. </p><p>Plenty of "<a href="/wiki/New_Atheists" class="mw-redirect" title="New Atheists">New Atheists</a>" have indeed criticized Islam just as strongly as <a href="/wiki/Christianity" title="Christianity">Christianity</a> and <a href="/wiki/Judaism" title="Judaism">Judaism</a>, and have legitimate concern for their lives as a result. Additionally, criticism and "<a href="/wiki/Blaspheming" class="mw-redirect" title="Blaspheming">blaspheming</a>" of most mainstream religions can and does result in death threats — see the <a href="/wiki/Paul_Zachary_Myers" class="mw-redirect" title="Paul Zachary Myers">PZ</a> link below for an example with <a href="/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church" title="Roman Catholic Church">Catholicism</a>. It <i>could</i> be argued that the <a href="/wiki/Enlightenment" class="mw-redirect" title="Enlightenment">Enlightenment</a> alone is all that made Christian Europe into something noticeably more "tolerant" than the Islamic world; within the whole of Christian history, it's astonishingly recent for <a href="/wiki/Heresy" title="Heresy">heresy</a> and <a href="/wiki/Blasphemy" title="Blasphemy">blasphemy</a> to not be capital crimes. </p><p>Fatwa envy could be compared to <a href="/wiki/Holocaust_envy" title="Holocaust envy">Holocaust envy</a>. However, while fatwa envy expresses a desire to use force, Holocaust envy expresses a desire to receive compassion. </p><p>If you strip this argument to its core, it is nothing more than a <a href="/wiki/Not_as_bad_as" title="Not as bad as">not as bad as</a> fallacy (atheists are ungrateful bastards for criticizing the actions of a particular religion whose followers aren't slaughtering them on a whim) coupled with <a href="/wiki/Tu_quoque" title="Tu quoque">tu quoque</a> (atheists' critiques are invalidated if they're deemed hypocritical or inconsistent in applying them) as well as a <a href="/wiki/Non_sequitur" title="Non sequitur">non sequitur</a> (not criticizing a certain group, whether it is because they are righteous or dangerous, has nothing to do with the validity of criticism aimed towards a different group). </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Meaning_of_Fatwa">Meaning of Fatwa</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Meaning of Fatwa">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>In actual real-life Islam, a fatwā is <i>any</i> official religious opinion regarding <a href="/wiki/Islam" title="Islam">Islamic</a> <a href="/wiki/Sharia" title="Sharia">Sharia</a> law issued by a <a href="/wiki/Muslim" class="mw-redirect" title="Muslim">Muslim</a> scholar, somewhat equivalent to a <a href="/wiki/Vatican" class="mw-redirect" title="Vatican">Vatican</a> proclamation, but usually with much less "official" authority (as Islam has no central leadership, thus anyone who has studied the Quran and hadith enough can become a "scholar" — <a href="/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden" title="Osama bin Laden">Osama bin Laden</a> included). </p><p>Following the <a href="/wiki/Salman_Rushdie" title="Salman Rushdie">Salman Rushdie</a> affair, however (in which the author of <i>The Satanic Verses</i> was condemned to death in a fatwā by Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini — who had more authority than most, being one of the most revered figures of Twelver Shia Islam), the term has, <a href="/wiki/Flying_carpet_fallacy" title="Flying carpet fallacy">in many Western minds</a>, become synonymous with an Islamic death sentence, though that is in fact a rare use of them. Now you know (and knowing is half the battle).<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2">[note 2]</a></sup> </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="The_fatwa_envy_jamboree">The fatwa envy jamboree</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: The fatwa envy jamboree">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>Some nice examples of <a href="/wiki/Atheists" class="mw-redirect" title="Atheists">atheists</a> criticizing Islam, despite, according to their critics, not having the stomach to criticize Islam. Warning: exposure to this may induce <a href="/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance" title="Cognitive dissonance">cognitive dissonance</a>. </p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Pat_Condell">Pat Condell</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Pat Condell">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <div role="note" class="hatnote">See the main article on this topic: <a href="/wiki/Pat_Condell" title="Pat Condell">Pat Condell</a></div> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Richard_Dawkins"><a href="/wiki/Richard_Dawkins" title="Richard Dawkins">Richard Dawkins</a></span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Richard Dawkins">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/479-richard-dawkins-islam-is-one-of-the-great-evils-of-the-world.html">Dawkins: Islam is 'one of the great evils in the world'</a><sup><span style="white-space: nowrap;">[<i><a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_with_dead_links" title="Category:Articles with dead links"><span title="">dead link</span></a></i>]</span></sup></li> <li>YouTube: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjpqeZirDqU">Richard Dawkins destroys Muslim on morality</a><sup><span style="white-space: nowrap;">[<i><a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_with_dead_links" title="Category:Articles with dead links"><span title="">dead link</span></a></i>]</span></sup></li></ul> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Johann_Hari"><a href="/wiki/Johann_Hari" title="Johann Hari">Johann Hari</a></span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Johann Hari">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://richarddawkins.net/articles/2247">"Sharia courts highlight in their purest form the problem with multiculturalism."</a><sup><span style="white-space: nowrap;">[<i><a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_with_dead_links" title="Category:Articles with dead links"><span title="">dead link</span></a></i>]</span></sup></li></ul> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Sam_Harris">Sam Harris</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Sam Harris">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <div role="note" class="hatnote">See the main article on this topic: <a href="/wiki/Sam_Harris" title="Sam Harris">Sam Harris</a></div> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Christopher_Hitchens"><a href="/wiki/Christopher_Hitchens" title="Christopher Hitchens">Christopher Hitchens</a></span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Christopher Hitchens">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <ul><li>YouTube: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an7TaDQ5Yo0">Christopher Hitchens on Islam</a></li></ul> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Bill_Maher"><a href="/wiki/Bill_Maher" title="Bill Maher">Bill Maher</a></span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Bill Maher">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <ul><li>YouTube: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ZEo7voCEM">Bill Maher asks: Is Islam a religion of peace?</a><sup><span style="white-space: nowrap;">[<i><a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_with_dead_links" title="Category:Articles with dead links"><span title="">dead link</span></a></i>]</span></sup></li></ul> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Phil_Mason">Phil Mason</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Phil Mason">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <div role="note" class="hatnote">See the main article on this topic: <a href="/wiki/Thunderf00t#Of_Muslims_and_South_Park" title="Thunderf00t">Thunderf00t</a></div> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Paul_Zachary_Myers">Paul Zachary Myers</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Paul Zachary Myers">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> 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Central article</a>, discussing the network's alleged hypocrisy because it did not show an episode of South Park which featured a depiction of <a href="/wiki/Muhammad" title="Muhammad">Muhammad</a>, even though the show often satirizes other religions.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.is/WDh4u">PZ Myers' special "Cracker" edition of "I Get Email"</a> on his blog <i>Pharyngula</i>.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bizarrocomics.com/2013/12/27/holy-hate-mail/">Dan Piraro</a>'s 2013 christmas Bizarro netted him a beautiful example, lovingly shared by "an American Christian": "<i>Would you be equally quick to offend Muslims with a cartoon strip eluding to a recently departed Muslim complaining of only receiving 35 vestal virgins or showing one of someone asking a blind person if they’d seen any good movies lately? For less, <a href="/wiki/Salman_Rushdie" title="Salman Rushdie">Salmon [sic] Rushdie</a> received a fatwah for writing Satanic Verses.</i>" That's the spirit of the season.</li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="See_also">See also</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: See also">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Holocaust_envy" title="Holocaust envy">Holocaust envy</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/War_on_Christmas" title="War on Christmas">War on Christmas</a></li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Notes">Notes</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fatwa_envy&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Notes">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="references-small" style="font-size:90%;"> <div 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