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class="plainlinks" style="padding:0px 10px; text-align:left;"> <div class="collapsible-list mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="text-align: left;"> <div style="line-height: 1.6em; font-weight: bold;"><div>Earlier years</div></div> <ul class="mw-collapsible-content" style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0; line-height: inherit; list-style: none; margin-left: 0;"><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive_0" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive 0">Motivation</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive_1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive 1">Nov 2002–Dec 2003</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive_2" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive 2">Jan–Aug 2004</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive_3" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive 3">Sep–Dec 2004</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005">2005</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Jan" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Feb" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Mar" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Apr" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/May" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Jun" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Jul" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Sep" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Oct" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Nov" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Dec" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006">2006</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Jan" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Feb" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007">2007</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008">2008</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009">2009</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010">2010</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011">2011</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012">2012</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013">2013</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014">2014</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2014/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2014/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015">2015</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2015/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2015/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2016">2016</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2016/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2016/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2016/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2016/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2016/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2016/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2016/Apr" 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Sections older than <b>15 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span>.</td></tr> <tr><td><small class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/archivelist&action=edit&preload=Template:Archives/Preload">Edit this box</a></small></td></tr> </tbody></table> <p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Emmy_Noether_FA_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-Emmy_Noether_FA_review-20241012220600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Emmy_Noether_FA_review-20241012220600"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Emmy_Noether/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured article review/Emmy Noether/archive1">Emmy Noether FA review</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Emmy_Noether_FA_review-20241012220600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Emmy Noether FA review"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20241012220600-Emmy_Noether_FA_review"></span>It would be much appreciated if people could read the <a href="/wiki/Emmy_Noether" title="Emmy Noether">Emmy Noether</a> article and check for statements that are unclear, under-cited, or otherwise unbecoming the encyclopedia project. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-XOR'easter-20241012220600-Emmy_Noether_FA_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20241012220600-Emmy_Noether_FA_review"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20241012220600-Emmy_Noether_FA_review"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sgubaldo-20241012232900-XOR'easter-20241012220600"></span>For those more knowledgeable with the subject matter than I am, the two sections that may need some more citations the most are the ones on <a href="/wiki/Emmy_Noether#Ascending_and_descending_chain_conditions" title="Emmy Noether">ascending and descending chain conditions</a> and <a href="/wiki/Emmy_Noether#Algebraic_invariant_theory" title="Emmy Noether">algebraic invariant theory</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Sgubaldo" title="User:Sgubaldo">Sgubaldo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sgubaldo" title="User talk:Sgubaldo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Sgubaldo-20241012232900-XOR'easter-20241012220600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sgubaldo-20241012232900-XOR'easter-20241012220600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sgubaldo-20241012232900-XOR'easter-20241012220600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20241013183000-Sgubaldo-20241012232900"></span>My impression from working on the article previously was that everything discussed in it is addressed in the references already present (and for a math topic, having a clickly blue linky number for each sentence doesn't necessarily go further to satisfying <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a> than having one per subsection). But this would be a good opportunity to point readers at references that are particularly good. Anybody have favorite books about either of those? <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-XOR'easter-20241013183000-Sgubaldo-20241012232900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20241013183000-Sgubaldo-20241012232900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20241013183000-Sgubaldo-20241012232900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tito_Omburo-20241013193300-XOR'easter-20241013183000"></span>The section on algebraic invariant theory doesn't make enough contact with Noether's work in the area, which was eclipsed by that of Hilbert. Both the Rowe and Dick source describe her dissertation done under Gordan, which was devoted to symbolic computation of invariants, and in fact a later source of some embarrassment. The section would benefit by emphasizing this, and summarizing the sources better (and referring to them). <a href="/wiki/User:Tito_Omburo" title="User:Tito Omburo">Tito Omburo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tito_Omburo" title="User talk:Tito Omburo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Tito_Omburo-20241013193300-XOR'easter-20241013183000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tito_Omburo-20241013193300-XOR'easter-20241013183000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tito_Omburo-20241013193300-XOR'easter-20241013183000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20241013210000-Tito_Omburo-20241013193300"></span>Care to tackle that? I could try, but I'm not sure when I'll have an uninterrupted block of time long enough. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-XOR'easter-20241013210000-Tito_Omburo-20241013193300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20241013210000-Tito_Omburo-20241013193300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20241013210000-Tito_Omburo-20241013193300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20241029115500-XOR'easter-20241013210000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sgubaldo" title="User:Sgubaldo">Sgubaldo</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Tito_Omburo" title="User:Tito Omburo">Tito Omburo</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a>. The discussion now is into FARC: one delist and one keep. I have found some of the unsourced sections after looking up at its content. <a href="/wiki/User:Dedhert.Jr" title="User:Dedhert.Jr">Dedhert.Jr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dedhert.Jr" title="User talk:Dedhert.Jr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Dedhert.Jr-20241029115500-XOR'easter-20241013210000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20241029115500-XOR'easter-20241013210000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dedhert.Jr-20241029115500-XOR'easter-20241013210000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sgubaldo-20241103152900-XOR'easter-20241012220600"></span>As an update to this, there's now 13 citation needed tags left to take care of. 5 are specifically in the <a href="/wiki/Emmy_Noether#Ascending_and_descending_chain_conditions" title="Emmy Noether">ascending and descending chain conditions</a> section. <a href="/wiki/User:Sgubaldo" title="User:Sgubaldo">Sgubaldo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sgubaldo" title="User talk:Sgubaldo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Sgubaldo-20241103152900-XOR'easter-20241012220600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sgubaldo-20241103152900-XOR'easter-20241012220600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sgubaldo-20241103152900-XOR'easter-20241012220600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20241104172100-Sgubaldo-20241103152900"></span>Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-XOR'easter-20241104172100-Sgubaldo-20241103152900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20241104172100-Sgubaldo-20241103152900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20241104172100-Sgubaldo-20241103152900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500-XOR'easter-20241104172100"></span>The first epoch of algebraic invariant theory says "an example, if a rigid yardstick is rotated, the coordinates (<i>x</i><sub>1</sub>, <i>y</i><sub>1</sub>, <i>z</i><sub>1</sub>) and (<i>x</i><sub>2</sub>, <i>y</i><sub>2</sub>, <i>z</i><sub>2</sub>) of its endpoints change ...". How is this related to the <a href="/wiki/Algebraic_invariant_theory" class="mw-redirect" title="Algebraic invariant theory">article but does not explicitly says about that example</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Dedhert.Jr" title="User:Dedhert.Jr">Dedhert.Jr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dedhert.Jr" title="User talk:Dedhert.Jr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500-XOR'easter-20241104172100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500-XOR'easter-20241104172100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500-XOR'easter-20241104172100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20241110213500-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500"></span>I think that line was just trying to explain what "invariant" means. I trimmed the notation, since we don't use it later. 10 <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Citation_needed" title="Template:Citation needed">citation needed</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> tags remain. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-XOR'easter-20241110213500-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20241110213500-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20241110213500-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20241115201700-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500"></span>Needed: a readable introduction to algebraic invariant theory, and likewise for ascending/descending chain conditions. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-XOR'easter-20241115201700-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20241115201700-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20241115201700-Dedhert.Jr-20241105072500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayBeeEll-20241116210300-XOR'easter-20241115201700"></span>I've reached out to an algebraist colleage to ask for assistance. --<a href="/wiki/User:JayBeeEll" title="User:JayBeeEll">JBL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayBeeEll" title="User talk:JayBeeEll">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-JayBeeEll-20241116210300-XOR'easter-20241115201700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayBeeEll-20241116210300-XOR'easter-20241115201700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayBeeEll-20241116210300-XOR'easter-20241115201700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sgubaldo-20241118212500-Sgubaldo-20241103152900"></span>I've done the cn tag relating to <i>Abstrakter Aufbau der Idealtheorie in algebraischen Zahl- und Funktionenkörpern</i>, which was mentioned in the FAR. I have a question about one of the sentences in that paragraph. Full disclosure that I am not familiar with much abstract algebra. The sentence currently reads "...the <a href="/wiki/Dedekind_domain" title="Dedekind domain">Dedekind domains</a>:<sup id="cite_ref-FOOTNOTENoether198313_1-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FOOTNOTENoether198313-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> integral domains that are Noetherian, 0- or 1-<a href="/wiki/Krull_dimension" title="Krull dimension">dimensional</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Integrality" class="mw-redirect" title="Integrality">integrally closed</a> in their quotient fields.<sup id="cite_ref-FOOTNOTEAtiyahMacDonald199493–95_2-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAtiyahMacDonald199493–95-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup>" and defines Dedekind domains.</dd> <dd>This is what Page 13 of Noether, 1983 (collected papers) says (formatted slightly for brevity):</dd> <dd><blockquote><p><i>In Abstrakter Aufbau der Idealtheorie ... Noether gave the first characterization of the class of rings now known as Dedekind rings: the commutative rings in which factorization of ideals as products of prime ideals holds. She showed that the following conditions were necessary and sufficient for the validity of the prime ideal factorization theorem:</i><br/><i>I – The ascending chain condition for ideals.</i>; <i>II – The descending chain condition modulo every non-zero ideal.</i>; <i>III – Existence of a unit element.</i>; <i>IV – Non-existence of zero divisors.</i>; <i>V – Integral closure in the field of fractions.</i></p></blockquote></dd> <dd></dd> <dd>This is what Page 96 of Rowe, 2021 says:</dd> <dd><blockquote><p><i>In [Noether 1927a], Emmy Noether was able to give a general proof of Dedekind’s fundamental theorem and its converse on the basis of five axioms for a Dedekind ring. In her earlier paper [Noether 1921b], “Theory of Ideals in Ring Domains,” she introduced a general concept for rings that merely had to satisfy one axiom: the ascending chain condition. This acc now became Axiom 1 in [Noether 1927a] and its counterpart, the descending chain condition (dcc), was formulated as Axiom 2. She had not, however, explicitly stated that the ring R must possess an identity element for multiplication. Pavel Urysohn brought this oversight to her attention in 1923, and so she introduced this as Axiom 3, while pointing out that Urysohn had alerted her to it [Noether 1927a, 494]. Axiom 4 further stipulates that the ring must have no zero divisors. Finally, Axiom 5 introduces the decisive condition that the ring R must be algebraically closed in its associated quotient field (i.e. the smallest field that contains R). These are the five axioms for a Dedekind ring found in textbooks today.</i></p></blockquote></dd> <dd>I wanted to change it to something like "... <a href="/wiki/Dedekind_domain" title="Dedekind domain">Dedekind domains</a>. Noether showed that five conditions were necessary for this to be valid: the rings have to satisfy the ascending and descending chain conditions, they must possess a unit element, but no <a href="/wiki/Zero_divisor" title="Zero divisor">zero divisors</a>, and they must be <a href="/wiki/Integrally_closed_domain" title="Integrally closed domain">integrally closed</a> in their associated quotient fields.<sup id="cite_ref-FOOTNOTERowe202196_3-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FOOTNOTERowe202196-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-FOOTNOTENoether198313_1-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FOOTNOTENoether198313-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup>" but I was worried it was either wrong or redundant. <a href="/wiki/User:Sgubaldo" title="User:Sgubaldo">Sgubaldo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sgubaldo" title="User talk:Sgubaldo">talk</a>) 21:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/User:Sgubaldo" title="User:Sgubaldo">Sgubaldo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sgubaldo" title="User talk:Sgubaldo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Sgubaldo-20241118212500-Sgubaldo-20241103152900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sgubaldo-20241118212500-Sgubaldo-20241103152900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sgubaldo-20241118212500-Sgubaldo-20241103152900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayBeeEll-20241119233900-Sgubaldo-20241118212500"></span>The current version is heavy on modern terminology. I suggest "the ideals have unique factorization into prime ideals (now called <a href="/wiki/Dedekind_domain" title="Dedekind domain">Dedekind domains</a>). Noether showed that these rings were characterized by five conditions: they must satisfy the ascending and descending chain conditions, they must possess a unit element but no zero divisors, and they must be integrally closed in their associated fields of fractions." + appropriate wikilinks. --<a href="/wiki/User:JayBeeEll" title="User:JayBeeEll">JBL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayBeeEll" title="User talk:JayBeeEll">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-JayBeeEll-20241119233900-Sgubaldo-20241118212500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayBeeEll-20241119233900-Sgubaldo-20241118212500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayBeeEll-20241119233900-Sgubaldo-20241118212500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sgubaldo-20241120002400-JayBeeEll-20241119233900"></span>Done, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Sgubaldo" title="User:Sgubaldo">Sgubaldo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sgubaldo" title="User talk:Sgubaldo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Sgubaldo-20241120002400-JayBeeEll-20241119233900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sgubaldo-20241120002400-JayBeeEll-20241119233900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sgubaldo-20241120002400-JayBeeEll-20241119233900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sgubaldo-20241121191600-XOR'easter-20241012220600"></span>Update: citation needed tags are down to 5. Per XOR'easter's message above, two are in the <a href="/wiki/Emmy_Noether#Algebraic_invariant_theory" title="Emmy Noether">the algebraic invariant theory section</a> and two are under <a href="/wiki/Emmy_Noether#Ascending_and_descending_chain_conditions" title="Emmy Noether">the acc and dcc section</a>. The algebraic invariant theory section, or perhaps both, could do with a better introduction. <a href="/wiki/User:Sgubaldo" title="User:Sgubaldo">Sgubaldo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sgubaldo" title="User talk:Sgubaldo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Sgubaldo-20241121191600-XOR'easter-20241012220600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sgubaldo-20241121191600-XOR'easter-20241012220600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sgubaldo-20241121191600-XOR'easter-20241012220600"></span></dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-FOOTNOTENoether198313-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="#cite_ref-FOOTNOTENoether198313_1-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-FOOTNOTENoether198313_1-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="#CITEREFNoether1983">Noether 1983</a>, p. 13.<span class="error harv-error" style="display: none; font-size:100%"> sfn error: no target: CITEREFNoether1983 (<a href="/wiki/Category:Harv_and_Sfn_template_errors" title="Category:Harv and Sfn template errors">help</a>)</span></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-FOOTNOTEAtiyahMacDonald199493–95-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-FOOTNOTEAtiyahMacDonald199493–95_2-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="#CITEREFAtiyahMacDonald1994">Atiyah & MacDonald 1994</a>, pp. 93–95.<span class="error harv-error" style="display: none; font-size:100%"> sfn error: no target: CITEREFAtiyahMacDonald1994 (<a href="/wiki/Category:Harv_and_Sfn_template_errors" title="Category:Harv and Sfn template errors">help</a>)</span></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-FOOTNOTERowe202196-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-FOOTNOTERowe202196_3-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="#CITEREFRowe2021">Rowe 2021</a>, p. 96.<span class="error harv-error" style="display: none; font-size:100%"> sfn error: no target: CITEREFRowe2021 (<a href="/wiki/Category:Harv_and_Sfn_template_errors" title="Category:Harv and Sfn template errors">help</a>)</span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MathJax_for_non-signed-in_users_in_the_future" data-mw-thread-id="h-MathJax_for_non-signed-in_users_in_the_future-20241103173000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MathJax_for_non-signed-in_users_in_the_future-20241103173000"></span>MathJax for non-signed-in users in the future<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MathJax_for_non-signed-in_users_in_the_future-20241103173000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: MathJax for non-signed-in users in the future"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A1E6-20241103173000-MathJax_for_non-signed-in_users_in_the_future"></span>Pinging <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Salix_alba" title="User:Salix alba">Salix alba</a>:</span> </p><p>If I understand correctly, every non-signed-in user will be forced to see math as rendered by MathML, beginning in December 2024. But since MathML has many disadvantages in comparison with MathJax, it would be illogical to shove MathML down their throat. </p><p>The users who are not signed in can change appearance of their Wikipedia. There's a panel on the right that allows them to change the size of the text, width of the text and also color. However, they should be able to change their math renderer as well. Given that they will be able to change the text, width and color, why not change the math renderer as well? I think everyone would benefit from that. </p><p>As an aside, why does the MathJax option read "[...] (for browsers with limited MathML support)"? It assumes that the only reason why one wants MathJax is that their browser has limited MathML support, which is false. Many users label MathML as inferior to MathJax, providing an overflowing supply of reasons, regardless of the level of support of MathML in the browser they use. <a href="/wiki/User:A1E6" title="User:A1E6">A1E6</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A1E6" title="User talk:A1E6">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-A1E6-20241103173000-MathJax_for_non-signed-in_users_in_the_future" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A1E6-20241103173000-MathJax_for_non-signed-in_users_in_the_future"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A1E6-20241103173000-MathJax_for_non-signed-in_users_in_the_future"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Does_there_exist_an_exact_definition_of_"Mathematical_object"?_Please_join_the_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Does_there_exist_an_exact_definition_of_"Mathematical_object"?_Please_join_the_d-20241113190300"><span id="Does_there_exist_an_exact_definition_of_.22Mathematical_object.22.3F_Please_join_the_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Does_there_exist_an_exact_definition_of_"Mathematical_object"?_Please_join_the_d-20241113190300"></span>Does there exist an exact definition of "Mathematical object"? Please join the discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Does_there_exist_an_exact_definition_of_"Mathematical_object"?_Please_join_the_d-20241113190300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Does there exist an exact definition of "Mathematical object"? Please join the discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Farkle_Griffen-20241113190300-Does_there_exist_an_exact_definition_of_"Mathematical_object"?_Please_join_the_d"></span>Link to to discussion: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mathematical_object#Consensus_1:_Existence_of_an_exact_definition" title="Talk:Mathematical object">Talk:Mathematical object#Consensus 1: Existence of an exact definition</a> - <a href="/wiki/User:Farkle_Griffen" title="User:Farkle Griffen">Farkle Griffen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Farkle_Griffen" title="User talk:Farkle Griffen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Farkle_Griffen-20241113190300-Does_there_exist_an_exact_definition_of_"Mathematical_object"?_Please_join_the_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Farkle_Griffen-20241113190300-Does_there_exist_an_exact_definition_of_"Mathematical_object"?_Please_join_the_d"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Farkle_Griffen-20241113190300-Does_there_exist_an_exact_definition_of_"Mathematical_object"?_Please_join_the_d"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Locally_Recoverable_Codes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Locally_Recoverable_Codes-20241115021400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Locally_Recoverable_Codes-20241115021400"></span>Locally Recoverable Codes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Locally_Recoverable_Codes-20241115021400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Locally Recoverable Codes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400-Locally_Recoverable_Codes"></span>Recently, I published my first Wikipedia page about <a href="/wiki/Locally_Recoverable_Codes" class="mw-redirect" title="Locally Recoverable Codes">Locally Recoverable Codes</a>, which are linear codes from a family of error correction codes, and it is still an orphan article. If someone can help improve this, I would highly appreciate it. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yaroslav-Marta&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yaroslav-Marta (page does not exist)">Yaroslav-Marta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yaroslav-Marta" title="User talk:Yaroslav-Marta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400-Locally_Recoverable_Codes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400-Locally_Recoverable_Codes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400-Locally_Recoverable_Codes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnjbarton-20241115024100-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"></span>I suggest you expand the article slightly with a section built out of the first 5 references. It might be called "Overview" (before Definition) or "Relation to error correction codes" (just after Definition). In this section set the context. One sentence for the orients general readers on what an error correction code is and then more content how this article relates to error correction codes. Especially look for related error correction code topics which have articles. Then go into those articles and link this one in See Also or better in an appropriate sentence with a ref in the other article. Presto not an orphan. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnjbarton" title="User:Johnjbarton">Johnjbarton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnjbarton" title="User talk:Johnjbarton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Johnjbarton-20241115024100-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnjbarton-20241115024100-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnjbarton-20241115024100-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135500-Johnjbarton-20241115024100"></span>Ok, thank you. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yaroslav-Marta&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yaroslav-Marta (page does not exist)">Yaroslav-Marta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yaroslav-Marta" title="User talk:Yaroslav-Marta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135500-Johnjbarton-20241115024100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135500-Johnjbarton-20241115024100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135500-Johnjbarton-20241115024100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trovatore-20241115025900-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"></span>I fixed the title and some capitalization per our conventions; I haven't made any substantive edits to the article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Trovatore" title="User:Trovatore">Trovatore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trovatore" title="User talk:Trovatore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Trovatore-20241115025900-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:59, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trovatore-20241115025900-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trovatore-20241115025900-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135600-Trovatore-20241115025900"></span>Thank you. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yaroslav-Marta&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yaroslav-Marta (page does not exist)">Yaroslav-Marta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yaroslav-Marta" title="User talk:Yaroslav-Marta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135600-Trovatore-20241115025900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135600-Trovatore-20241115025900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135600-Trovatore-20241115025900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trovatore-20241115031600-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yaroslav-Marta&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yaroslav-Marta (page does not exist)">Yaroslav-Marta</a>:</span> I see we have an article titled <a href="/wiki/Locally_decodable_code" title="Locally decodable code">locally decodable code</a>. I can't immediately tell whether this is the same thing (in which case the articles should be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MERGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MERGE">merged</a>), or a closely related topic, in which case you might be able to de-orphanize yours by linking from there. --<a href="/wiki/User:Trovatore" title="User:Trovatore">Trovatore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trovatore" title="User talk:Trovatore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Trovatore-20241115031600-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trovatore-20241115031600-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trovatore-20241115031600-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135600-Trovatore-20241115031600"></span>This is a different type of codes, but I might refer my article from it I think. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yaroslav-Marta&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yaroslav-Marta (page does not exist)">Yaroslav-Marta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yaroslav-Marta" title="User talk:Yaroslav-Marta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135600-Trovatore-20241115031600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135600-Trovatore-20241115031600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yaroslav-Marta-20241118135600-Trovatore-20241115031600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CiaPan-20241121090600-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"></span>Hi, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yaroslav-Marta&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yaroslav-Marta (page does not exist)">Yaroslav-Marta</a>! Nice job with the article. For further improvement, please see the Manual of Style guidance on direct speach use: <a href="/wiki/MOS:WE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:WE">MOS:WE</a> & <a href="/wiki/MOS:YOU" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:YOU">MOS:YOU</a>. For example, <i>"Observe that we constructed an optimal LRC;"</i> at the end of the <a href="/wiki/Locally_recoverable_code#Example_of_Tamo–Barg_construction" title="Locally recoverable code">Example of Tamo–Barg construction</a> section could be better said in passive voice as <i>"The constructed LRC is optimal;"</i>. If you want to show some kind a proof, you might add <i>"because ...(a reference to the criterion of optimality)"</i>, or say something like <i>"It can be shown the LRC obtained is optimal"</i> and then follow with a proof. --<a href="/wiki/User:CiaPan" title="User:CiaPan">CiaPan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CiaPan" title="User talk:CiaPan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-CiaPan-20241121090600-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CiaPan-20241121090600-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CiaPan-20241121090600-Yaroslav-Marta-20241115021400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20241121193200-CiaPan-20241121090600"></span>I wouldn't take <a href="/wiki/MOS:WE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:WE">MOS:WE</a> too strictly in the context of mathematics articles. As mentioned there, the so-called "<a href="/wiki/Author%27s_we" class="mw-redirect" title="Author's we">author's we</a>" is used extensively in mathematical and other technical writing, and is generally fine (though is certainly not required). –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Jacobolus-20241121193200-CiaPan-20241121090600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20241121193200-CiaPan-20241121090600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20241121193200-CiaPan-20241121090600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Scope_of_List_of_theorems" data-mw-thread-id="h-Scope_of_List_of_theorems-20241119203300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Scope_of_List_of_theorems-20241119203300"></span>Scope of <a href="/wiki/List_of_theorems" title="List of theorems">List of theorems</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Scope_of_List_of_theorems-20241119203300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Scope of List of theorems"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseph_Myers-20241119203300-Scope_of_List_of_theorems"></span>I raised some questions at <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_theorems#Scope_of_this_list" title="Talk:List of theorems">Talk:List of theorems#Scope of this list</a> last month. There haven't been any comments there, but I suspect not many people watch that page. Thus, I'm drawing attention to those questions here in the hope that this is where more people with an interest in that list can be found. <a href="/wiki/User:Joseph_Myers" title="User:Joseph Myers">Joseph Myers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph_Myers" title="User talk:Joseph Myers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Joseph_Myers-20241119203300-Scope_of_List_of_theorems" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseph_Myers-20241119203300-Scope_of_List_of_theorems"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseph_Myers-20241119203300-Scope_of_List_of_theorems"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="History_of_representation_theory" data-mw-thread-id="h-History_of_representation_theory-20241124015400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-History_of_representation_theory-20241124015400"></span><a href="/wiki/History_of_representation_theory" title="History of representation theory">History of representation theory</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-History_of_representation_theory-20241124015400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: History of representation theory"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geometry_guy-20241124015400-History_of_representation_theory"></span>If anyone here wants to contribute to this new stub, please do! <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geometry_guy" title="User talk:Geometry guy">Geometry guy</a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-Geometry_guy-20241124015400-History_of_representation_theory" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geometry_guy-20241124015400-History_of_representation_theory"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geometry_guy-20241124015400-History_of_representation_theory"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_opinion_on_edit_to_List_of_Mersenne_primes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_opinion_on_edit_to_List_of_Mersenne_primes-20241124070200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_opinion_on_edit_to_List_of_Mersenne_primes-20241124070200"></span>Request for opinion on edit to List of Mersenne primes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_opinion_on_edit_to_List_of_Mersenne_primes-20241124070200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Request for opinion on edit to List of Mersenne primes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-97.102.205.224-20241124070200-Request_for_opinion_on_edit_to_List_of_Mersenne_primes"></span>On 3 November, I made two edits <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1255182695" title="Special:Diff/1255182695">Special:Diff/1255182695</a> and <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1255197206" title="Special:Diff/1255197206">Special:Diff/1255197206</a> which were promptly reverted <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1255250737" title="Special:Diff/1255250737">Special:Diff/1255250737</a> by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Szelma_W&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Szelma W (page does not exist)">Szelma W</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Szelma_W" title="User talk:Szelma W">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Szelma_W" title="Special:Contributions/Szelma W">contribs</a>). On 5 November, I created <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_Mersenne_primes_and_perfect_numbers#Recent_reversion_-_is_anything_salvageable?" title="Talk:List of Mersenne primes and perfect numbers">Talk:List of Mersenne primes and perfect numbers#Recent reversion - is anything salvageable?</a> to discuss the matter, as the revert's edit summary "It was better" didn't really give me a lot to go on. </p><p>The problem is, that editor normally edits about once a week with occasional longer gaps, but it's approaching 3 weeks now and they haven't been around to expand on those words. That in itself is not grounds for me to take offence; presumably their Real Life got busy and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_compulsory" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not compulsory</a>. </p><p>But I'd like to discuss it with <i>someone</i> before just un-reverting. Is anyone up to having a look at those edits (particularly the larger second one) and their justification on the talk page, and expressing an opinion? Note that this is not the usual after-lengthy-debate request for a 3rd opinion; in this case there has been almost no debate and there are no hurt feelings to worry about. You're free to make your own edit in lieu of any of the available versions, or give me some advice or whatever you like. I just don't trust my own judgment on what's an improvement in this particular case. </p><p>Thank you very much! </p><p>(I'm sure that re-reading my own edit after three weeks, I'll find something to improve, but I've avoided doing that so far since adding a third version to the discussion is of no use until there's a discussion to add it to.) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/97.102.205.224" title="Special:Contributions/97.102.205.224">97.102.205.224</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:97.102.205.224" title="User talk:97.102.205.224">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#c-97.102.205.224-20241124070200-Request_for_opinion_on_edit_to_List_of_Mersenne_primes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-97.102.205.224-20241124070200-Request_for_opinion_on_edit_to_List_of_Mersenne_primes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-97.102.205.224-20241124070200-Request_for_opinion_on_edit_to_List_of_Mersenne_primes"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics&oldid=1259268149">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics&oldid=1259268149</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Project-Class_mathematics_articles" title="Category:Project-Class mathematics articles">Project-Class mathematics articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-priority_mathematics_articles" title="Category:NA-priority mathematics articles">NA-priority mathematics articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 24 November 2024, at 07:27<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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