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Mathematics/Archive/2005/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Mar" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Apr" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/May" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Jun" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Jul" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2005/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2005/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject 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title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Feb" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2006/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2006/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007">2007</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2007/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2007/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008">2008</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2008/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2008/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009">2009</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2009/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2009/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010">2010</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2010/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2010/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011">2011</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2011/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2011/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012">2012</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Jul">Jul</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Aug" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Aug">Aug</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Sep" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Sep">Sep</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Oct" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Oct">Oct</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Nov" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Nov">Nov</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2012/Dec" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2012/Dec">Dec</a> </li><li style="line-height: inherit; margin: 0"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013">2013</a></b>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jan" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jan">Jan</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Feb" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Feb">Feb</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Mar">Mar</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Apr" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Apr">Apr</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/May" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/May">May</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jun">Jun</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jul" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jul">Jul</a> · <a 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Sections older than <b>15 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span>.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_with_history_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_with_history_template-20231101122200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_with_history_template-20231101122200"></span>Help with history template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_with_history_template-20231101122200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Help with history template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ReyHahn-20231101122200-Help_with_history_template"></span>I recently created the <a href="/wiki/Template:History_of_physics" title="Template:History of physics">Template:History of physics</a> which has helped to revise and navigate better in between history articles related to physics. I started a <a href="/wiki/Draft:Template:History_of_mathematics" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Template:History of mathematics">Draft:Template:History of mathematics</a>, however I am not sure I got every history article there is, and some topics could be grouped together as in <a href="/wiki/Template:History_of_physics" title="Template:History of physics">Template:History of physics</a>. Any suggestions? To be precise I am only adding links to articles that are mainly about history (usually titled "History of", "Timeline of", "Chronology of"). I am not adding articles that have a history section like <a href="/wiki/Complex_number" title="Complex number">complex number</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ReyHahn" title="User:ReyHahn">ReyHahn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ReyHahn" title="User talk:ReyHahn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-ReyHahn-20231101122200-Help_with_history_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 1 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ReyHahn-20231101122200-Help_with_history_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ReyHahn-20231101122200-Help_with_history_template"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Conley_conjecture" data-mw-thread-id="h-Conley_conjecture-20231030014100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Conley_conjecture-20231030014100"></span><a href="/wiki/Conley_conjecture" title="Conley conjecture">Conley conjecture</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Conley_conjecture-20231030014100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Conley conjecture"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Silvermatsu-20231030014100-Conley_conjecture"></span>I could not find the reference the Conley (1984) in this article. What should I do ? <a href="/wiki/User:Silvermatsu" title="User:Silvermatsu">SilverMatsu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silvermatsu" title="User talk:Silvermatsu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Silvermatsu-20231030014100-Conley_conjecture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 30 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Silvermatsu-20231030014100-Conley_conjecture"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Silvermatsu-20231030014100-Conley_conjecture"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mark_viking-20231030054100-Silvermatsu-20231030014100"></span>That reference likely comes from the review paper <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40598-015-0017-3">The Conley Conjecture and Beyond</a>. It is more of an attestation that the event took place than a reference itself. You could link to the review paper as the source of the claim. --<code>{{u|<a href="/wiki/User:Mark_viking" title="User:Mark viking">Mark viking</a>}} {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mark_viking" title="User talk:Mark viking">Talk</a>}</code> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Mark_viking-20231030054100-Silvermatsu-20231030014100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:41, 30 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mark_viking-20231030054100-Silvermatsu-20231030014100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mark_viking-20231030054100-Silvermatsu-20231030014100"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Silvermatsu-20231101135200-Mark_viking-20231030054100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mark_viking" title="User:Mark viking">Mark viking</a>:</span> Thank you for your advice ! Thanks to you, I fixed it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Silvermatsu" title="User:Silvermatsu">SilverMatsu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silvermatsu" title="User talk:Silvermatsu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Silvermatsu-20231101135200-Mark_viking-20231030054100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Silvermatsu-20231101135200-Mark_viking-20231030054100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Silvermatsu-20231101135200-Mark_viking-20231030054100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_at_Talk:Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases#Requested_move_30_October_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases#Requested_m-20231104080900"><span id="Requested_move_at_Talk:Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases.23Requested_move_30_October_2023"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases#Requested_m-20231104080900"></span>Requested move at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases#Requested_move_30_October_2023" title="Talk:Mathematical modelling of infectious diseases">Talk:Mathematical modelling of infectious diseases#Requested move 30 October 2023</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases#Requested_m-20231104080900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Requested move at Talk:Mathematical modelling of infectious diseases#Requested move 30 October 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polyamorph-20231104080900-Requested_move_at_Talk:Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases#Requested_m"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> There is a requested move discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases#Requested_move_30_October_2023" title="Talk:Mathematical modelling of infectious diseases">Talk:Mathematical modelling of infectious diseases#Requested move 30 October 2023</a> that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <small><i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Polyamorph" title="User:Polyamorph">Polyamorph</a></b></i> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polyamorph#top" title="User talk:Polyamorph">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Polyamorph-20231104080900-Requested_move_at_Talk:Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases#Requested_m" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 4 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polyamorph-20231104080900-Requested_move_at_Talk:Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases#Requested_m"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polyamorph-20231104080900-Requested_move_at_Talk:Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases#Requested_m"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Two_questions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Two_questions-20231105003300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Two_questions-20231105003300"></span>Two questions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Two_questions-20231105003300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Two questions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20231105003300-Two_questions"></span>In the draft of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics#Recognized_content" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics">recognized content</a>, it does not list one featured article <a href="/wiki/Quine%E2%80%93Putnam_indispensability_argument" title="Quine–Putnam indispensability argument">Quine–Putnam indispensability argument</a>, and GA nominee <a href="/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93Moon_problem" title="Earth–Moon problem">Earth–Moon problem</a> that it listed on GAN before I nominate <a href="/wiki/Square_pyramid" title="Square pyramid">Square pyramid</a>. Is it possible to add it manually, or should wait a little bit longer for the bot? </p><p>Also, in the article <a href="/wiki/Fleiss%27_kappa" title="Fleiss' kappa">Fleiss' kappa</a>, is it possible to change the modern template reference? There was a hidden comment, stating that there were a few errors or bugs about the appearance of references, along with the discussion from a long time ago <a class="external text" href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5885">in the link here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Dedhert.Jr" title="User:Dedhert.Jr">Dedhert.Jr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dedhert.Jr" title="User talk:Dedhert.Jr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Dedhert.Jr-20231105003300-Two_questions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 5 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dedhert.Jr-20231105003300-Two_questions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dedhert.Jr-20231105003300-Two_questions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_there_a_category_for_history_of_nomenclature_and_are_there_articles_on_history_of_nomenclature" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_there_a_category_for_history_of_nomenclature_and_are_there_articles_on_histor-20231108131400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_there_a_category_for_history_of_nomenclature_and_are_there_articles_on_histor-20231108131400"></span>Is there a category for history of nomenclature and are there articles on history of nomenclature<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_there_a_category_for_history_of_nomenclature_and_are_there_articles_on_histor-20231108131400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Is there a category for history of nomenclature and are there articles on history of nomenclature"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chatul-20231108131400-Is_there_a_category_for_history_of_nomenclature_and_are_there_articles_on_histor"></span>I was looking at <a href="/wiki/Natural_numbers" class="mw-redirect" title="Natural numbers">Natural numbers</a> and it occurred to me that the question oi whether to include zero was pat of a more general issue. There are many fields of Mathematics where different nomenclatures have existed, either over time or concurrently, and that articles on the evolution of nomenclature, including sign conventions, might be useful. </p><p>Are there such articles, or a category to assign them to. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Chatul" title="User:Chatul">Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chatul" title="User talk:Chatul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Chatul-20231108131400-Is_there_a_category_for_history_of_nomenclature_and_are_there_articles_on_histor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chatul-20231108131400-Is_there_a_category_for_history_of_nomenclature_and_are_there_articles_on_histor"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chatul-20231108131400-Is_there_a_category_for_history_of_nomenclature_and_are_there_articles_on_histor"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231108163800-Chatul-20231108131400"></span>We do have an article about the <a href="/wiki/History_of_mathematical_notation" title="History of mathematical notation">history of mathematical notation</a>. I wouldn't worry about the category, but you can certainly write articles like this if they don't exist, so long as the content is based on published sources (in more obscure cases the history of names and conventions may not have been directly written about). For details up through the 19th century, you could start by reading <a href="/wiki/Florian_Cajori" title="Florian Cajori">Florian Cajori</a>'s book <i>A History of Mathematical Notations</i>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231108163800-Chatul-20231108131400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 8 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231108163800-Chatul-20231108131400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231108163800-Chatul-20231108131400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20231108193400-Jacobolus-20231108163800"></span>There are also individual articles on notation, or sometimes on the history of notation, in <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_mathematics" title="Category:History of mathematics">Category:History of mathematics</a> + <a href="/wiki/Category:Mathematical_notation" title="Category:Mathematical notation">Category:Mathematical notation</a>. Example: <a href="/wiki/Zenzizenzizenzic" title="Zenzizenzizenzic">Zenzizenzizenzic</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-David_Eppstein-20231108193400-Jacobolus-20231108163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20231108193400-Jacobolus-20231108163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20231108193400-Jacobolus-20231108163800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_to_handle_vandalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_handle_vandalism-20231109053900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_to_handle_vandalism-20231109053900"></span>How to handle vandalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_to_handle_vandalism-20231109053900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: How to handle vandalism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intersection_(set_theory)&curid=23476429&diff=1183967074&oldid=1182504792"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatrickR2-20231109053900-How_to_handle_vandalism"></span>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intersection_(set_theory)&curid=23476429&diff=1183967074&oldid=1182504792</a> is the only contribution from a particular editor and is an obvious case of vandalism of <a href="/wiki/Intersection_(set_theory)" title="Intersection (set theory)">Intersection (set theory)</a>. I am not vary familiar with all the wikipedia procedures, but instead of going through an edit war, wouldn't there be a way to block this editor outright? <a href="/wiki/User:PatrickR2" title="User:PatrickR2">PatrickR2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PatrickR2" title="User talk:PatrickR2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-PatrickR2-20231109053900-How_to_handle_vandalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatrickR2-20231109053900-How_to_handle_vandalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatrickR2-20231109053900-How_to_handle_vandalism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231109054700-PatrickR2-20231109053900"></span>Just revert the edit and leave a message on their talk page. If they do it again they can be banned. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231109054700-PatrickR2-20231109053900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:47, 9 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231109054700-PatrickR2-20231109053900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231109054700-PatrickR2-20231109053900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20231109055000-Jacobolus-20231109054700"></span>I have reverted the edit and left the standard <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-vandalism1" title="Template:Uw-vandalism1">first-level warning</a> at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Limck620" title="User talk:Limck620">their talk page</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-XOR'easter-20231109055000-Jacobolus-20231109054700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20231109055000-Jacobolus-20231109054700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20231109055000-Jacobolus-20231109054700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayBeeEll-20231109180700-PatrickR2-20231109053900"></span>If it continues, you can report to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AIV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AIV">WP:AIV</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:JayBeeEll" title="User:JayBeeEll">JBL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayBeeEll" title="User talk:JayBeeEll">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-JayBeeEll-20231109180700-PatrickR2-20231109053900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 9 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayBeeEll-20231109180700-PatrickR2-20231109053900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayBeeEll-20231109180700-PatrickR2-20231109053900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_editor_with_a_draft" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_editor_with_a_draft-20231114225800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_editor_with_a_draft-20231114225800"></span>New editor with a draft<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_editor_with_a_draft-20231114225800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: New editor with a draft"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Draft:Mal%27cev%27s_criterion" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Mal'cev's criterion"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uncle_G-20231114225800-New_editor_with_a_draft"></span>Draft:Mal'cev's criterion</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:JesseStraat" title="User:JesseStraat">JesseStraat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JesseStraat" title="User talk:JesseStraat">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JesseStraat" title="Special:Contributions/JesseStraat">contribs</a>)</li></ul> <p>This is going to be a difficult AFC review for whoever picks it up. I've given the article creator a few tips and pointers, but some help from others would not go amiss. <a href="/wiki/User:Uncle_G" title="User:Uncle G">Uncle G</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uncle_G" title="User talk:Uncle G">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Uncle_G-20231114225800-New_editor_with_a_draft" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uncle_G-20231114225800-New_editor_with_a_draft"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uncle_G-20231114225800-New_editor_with_a_draft"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felix_QW-20231117094200-Uncle_G-20231114225800"></span>I'd be happy to review it. <a href="/wiki/User:Felix_QW" title="User:Felix QW">Felix QW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Felix_QW" title="User talk:Felix QW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Felix_QW-20231117094200-Uncle_G-20231114225800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felix_QW-20231117094200-Uncle_G-20231114225800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felix_QW-20231117094200-Uncle_G-20231114225800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible" data-mw-thread-id="h-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible-20231114203200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible-20231114203200"></span>Making mathematical articles more broadly accessible<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible-20231114203200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Making mathematical articles more broadly accessible"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20231114203200-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible"></span>During the Q&A of one of the lightning talks at <a href="/wiki/WikiConference_North_America" title="WikiConference North America">WikiConference North America</a> this last weekend, it came up that a lot of us, even those with degrees in mathematics, find the bulk of en-wiki's math articles among the least penetrable on the site, even when compared against other STEM topics. There were a few constructive suggestions (I'm paraphrasing, of course): </p> <ul><li>Have in mind who your audience is. You aren't writing to show your professor that you understand the material. You are writing to teach the material to someone who is at the level in mathematics to be able to understand the relevant concept, theorem, etc., but to whom this particular material is new.</li> <li>Consider that the lede should be as broadly comprehensible as possible. In particular, it is OK if the lede oversimplifies a bit, as long as it is clear that the details can be found later in the article. <a href="/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems" title="Gödel's incompleteness theorems">Gödel's incompleteness theorems</a> is a great example of getting this right. Note, in particular, that it does not even touch upon arithmetization of syntax, perhaps the most striking feature of Gödel's proof. Why? Because it's not an article about the proof, it's an article about the theorem, and someone with only a moderate background in mathematics is likely to be a <i>lot</i> more interested in what the theorem says than how, exactly, it is proved. Conversely, in the generally good lede of <a href="/wiki/Manifold" title="Manifold">manifold</a>: would it have killed anyone to explain the word "lemniscates" with "(e.g., figure-eights)" rather than make maybe 90% of readers click through if they want to understand what is being said?</li> <li>We might want to create a template which, in the session, we jokingly called <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Prerequisites&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Prerequisites (page does not exist)">Prerequisites</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. The idea would be to list, up front of either a section or of the article as whole, the concepts you need to understand the article, instead of having the reader discover them as they encounter links scattered through the article. E.g. <a href="/wiki/Manifolds" class="mw-redirect" title="Manifolds">Manifolds</a> usefully says, at the end of the lede, "The study of manifolds requires working knowledge of calculus and topology." The is is the sort of thing <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Prerequisites&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Prerequisites (page does not exist)">Prerequisites</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> could do; also, if the way we deploy such a templates were designed well, we might be able to make clear that most of the article can be understood with just topology, and only certain sections require any calculus.</li></ul> <p>Thoughts? - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jmabel-20231114203200-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20231114203200-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20231114203200-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mgnbar-20231114213300-Jmabel-20231114203200"></span>It's hard to argue with the general goal or the first two points. The third point, about prerequisites, has been proposed many times and shot down every time. In essence, the counter-argument seems to be: The prerequisites are already encoded into the links, and anything that does much more than the links is veering into <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_textbook" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a textbook">Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a textbook</a> territory. I don't find that argument fully convincing — maybe there's a perfect balance to be discovered — but I've never seen it described in adequate detail. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Mgnbar" title="User:Mgnbar">Mgnbar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mgnbar" title="User talk:Mgnbar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Mgnbar-20231114213300-Jmabel-20231114203200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mgnbar-20231114213300-Jmabel-20231114203200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mgnbar-20231114213300-Jmabel-20231114203200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trovatore-20231114215300-Mgnbar-20231114213300"></span>As to the second point, I think that while Jmabel's <i>example</i> (the intro to <a href="/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems" title="Gödel's incompleteness theorems">Gödel's incompleteness theorems</a>) is fine, the <i>wording</i> could be abused. There's a difference between leaving out detail, and saying things that aren't true. We should never oversimplify to the point that what we're saying isn't true, at least not without an explicit warning that that's what's happening.</dd> <dd>That's the vexing thing about these discussions. On the one hand, it's definitely true that many math articles are written in a way that makes them much less useful than they could be. On the other hand, we see people throwing drive-by <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Technical" title="Template:Technical">technical</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> templates on articles that are written quite reasonably for any audience that has the background necessary to have a chance at the inherent subject matter. And there's a contingent that even thinks it's OK to tell <a href="/wiki/Lies_to_children" class="mw-redirect" title="Lies to children">lies to children</a> if it makes readers feel like they understand. --<a href="/wiki/User:Trovatore" title="User:Trovatore">Trovatore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trovatore" title="User talk:Trovatore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Trovatore-20231114215300-Mgnbar-20231114213300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trovatore-20231114215300-Mgnbar-20231114213300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trovatore-20231114215300-Mgnbar-20231114213300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231115020700-Trovatore-20231114215300"></span>I personally find throwing "maintenance templates" on tops of articles to be obnoxious and almost entirely useless. However, it would be nice if confused readers would take the time to start a talk page conversation with a concrete critique when they have an issue like this, so that someone can try to make improvements. If the subject gets discussed somewhere I see it, e.g. at this wikiproject talk page, I'm happy to give some effort to working on accessibility of subjects that I feel nominally competent to write about. (Or if that seems too off topic for here, I'd be happy to discuss such cases at some other venue.) As one example, someone recently mentioned on the talk page of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TECHNICAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TECHNICAL">WP:TECHNICAL</a> that they found the lead section of our article <a href="/wiki/Bijection" title="Bijection">Bijection</a> to be hard to follow, so I tried to rearrange and expand its lead section a bit to hopefully be clearer to a general audience (people with more expertise than I have are welcome to rework that further). –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231115020700-Trovatore-20231114215300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231115020700-Trovatore-20231114215300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231115020700-Trovatore-20231114215300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trovatore-20231114221400-Mgnbar-20231114213300"></span>As a small aside, I'm curious about these potential readers who know topology but not calculus.... --<a href="/wiki/User:Trovatore" title="User:Trovatore">Trovatore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trovatore" title="User talk:Trovatore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Trovatore-20231114221400-Mgnbar-20231114213300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)</a> </small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trovatore-20231114221400-Mgnbar-20231114213300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trovatore-20231114221400-Mgnbar-20231114213300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20231117043700-Trovatore-20231114221400"></span>Me at age 16. I took things in an odd order. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jmabel-20231117043700-Trovatore-20231114221400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20231117043700-Trovatore-20231114221400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20231117043700-Trovatore-20231114221400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uncle_G-20231114231800-Jmabel-20231114203200"></span>The biggest error that we make on Wikipedia in this area is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Summary_style" title="Wikipedia:Summary style">summary style</a>, whose author regretted it years later as I recall, since really it's a newspaper thing not an encyclopaedia thing. Introductions should <i>introduce</i>; not be a <i>Britannica</i> style Micropedia to the Macropedia that is the rest of the article. If you try to compress the rest of the article into the introduction, and then summarize the introduction into its first paragraph, the information density becomes ridiculous; and this is partly the cause of articles that end up as "<b>subject</b> is the <a href="/wiki/Lorem_ipsum" title="Lorem ipsum">namedrop</a> <a href="/wiki/Lorem_ipsum" title="Lorem ipsum">jargon</a> <a href="/wiki/Lorem_ipsum" title="Lorem ipsum">jargon</a> of <a href="/wiki/Lorem_ipsum" title="Lorem ipsum">namedrop</a> <a href="/wiki/Lorem_ipsum" title="Lorem ipsum">jargon</a> when <a href="/wiki/Lorem_ipsum" title="Lorem ipsum">jargon</a> <a href="/wiki/Lorem_ipsum" title="Lorem ipsum">namedrop</a> <a href="/wiki/Lorem_ipsum" title="Lorem ipsum">jargons</a> are encofstulated.<sup>[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]</sup>". I don't think that prerequisites are the answer, but I do think that dropping the idea of compressing everything ever tighter again and again, and instead just <i>introducing</i> a subject, would avoid the "leaving out detail" problem. <a href="/wiki/User:Uncle_G" title="User:Uncle G">Uncle G</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uncle_G" title="User talk:Uncle G">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Uncle_G-20231114231800-Jmabel-20231114203200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 14 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uncle_G-20231114231800-Jmabel-20231114203200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uncle_G-20231114231800-Jmabel-20231114203200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20231114233000-Uncle_G-20231114231800"></span>I am very strongly in favor of putting in the effort to make our articles as accessible as possible. But it is significant effort, and not the kind of effort that mathematics students are often well-trained in. That said, the original post has a serious inaccuracy in its framing. It writes: <dl><dd><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">Have in mind who your audience is. You aren't writing to show your professor that you understand the material. You are writing to teach the material to someone who is at the level in mathematics to be able to understand the relevant concept, theorem, etc., but to whom this particular material is new.</q></dd></dl></dd> <dd>This is written as if there can and should be only one audience for each mathematics article, someone ready for the material who does not yet understand it. This is untrue. That is one kind of audience, but not the only one. We need the leads of our article to be readable by someone who is not ready to learn the material in any depth but is interested in finding out what it might be about (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONEDOWN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONEDOWN">WP:ONEDOWN</a>). And we need the later parts of our article to be usable by people who do understand the material already but want to refer to it anyway as reference material, as a quick reminder of what they already know, or as a collection of pointers to more in-depth literature to use as references for other works. Writing articles that can be used for all these purposes is even more effort, and is something typically not appreciated by readers at a different level who either think the material is too technical or too oversimplified. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-David_Eppstein-20231114233000-Uncle_G-20231114231800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20231114233000-Uncle_G-20231114231800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20231114233000-Uncle_G-20231114231800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trovatore-20231115013600-Jmabel-20231114203200"></span>I would like to call out another aspect of Jmabel's (generally reasonable) post. I disagree that we are writing to "teach the material". This is a reference work, not a textbook. We want to facilitate <i>self</i>-teaching, but we do not ourselves want to teach.</dd> <dd>This is more a question of organization than level of difficulty. I've never come up with the perfect way of expressing it, but maybe -- we want to be random-access rather than serial? We're not presenting an order in which you're supposed to learn the material. We want to make the material available to you, so you can look up an individual fact quickly if you need it, or find a path through it to learn it if that's your goal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Trovatore" title="User:Trovatore">Trovatore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trovatore" title="User talk:Trovatore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Trovatore-20231115013600-Jmabel-20231114203200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trovatore-20231115013600-Jmabel-20231114203200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trovatore-20231115013600-Jmabel-20231114203200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20231115082400-Jmabel-20231114203200"></span>I can appreciate the motivation for a <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Prerequisites&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Prerequisites (page does not exist)">Prerequisites</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template, but in the end it sounds like a gimmick: one more thing to have to maintain, and one more way that complicated relationships get flattened for the sake of having a box in the sidebar. It's rather like the "influenced" and "influenced by" items in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_philosopher" title="Template:Infobox philosopher">Infobox philosopher</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_scientist" title="Template:Infobox scientist">Infobox scientist</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, which were <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_philosopher#Influences/influenced" title="Template talk:Infobox philosopher">recently removed</a>. Our time would be better spent improving the text than futzing about with new sidebars. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> I'll echo the sentiment above that an article can in general have more than one audience, which makes for hard writing. Moreover, this is one way that we differ from textbooks: a typical textbook is made with an audience in mind and a sense of where in the curriculum it's going to be used. Another difference alluded to above is that textbooks are generally sequential, rather than "random-access". The standard approach in teaching a course is to begin at the beginning of the book and work through the chapters pretty much in the order they're printed, maybe not getting all the way to the end. The challenges of writing well in that style are going to be different than the challenges of writing well on this platform, just by the nature of the platform itself. My sense of the overall situation is that the top priority for some articles, like short ones on highly specialized upper-level topics, should be to expand, organize, and reference them. A lot of improvement in those corners of the encyclopedia would involve writing at a similar level to what the existing text presumes, but just being less half-ass about it. In other places, the top priority ought to be providing a solid opening. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-XOR'easter-20231115082400-Jmabel-20231114203200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20231115082400-Jmabel-20231114203200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20231115082400-Jmabel-20231114203200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geometry_guy-20231116004300-XOR'easter-20231115082400"></span>It has always been thus, as I know from the day I joined the project in 2007. Wikipedia is not a textbook, and this is particularly stark in advanced mathematics articles... but we should – and often do – strive to make mathematics articles as accessible as possible to the dedicated reader, by making our explanations as clear as possible, and by linking to sources and resources that will help readers learn more and then appreciate the value and beauty of maths. <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geometry_guy" title="User talk:Geometry guy">Geometry guy</a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Geometry_guy-20231116004300-XOR'easter-20231115082400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geometry_guy-20231116004300-XOR'easter-20231115082400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geometry_guy-20231116004300-XOR'easter-20231115082400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ByVarying-20231116223500-Jmabel-20231114203200"></span>There is a conflict between your first and second points here IMO. If it is true that we <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">"are writing to teach the material to someone who is at the level in mathematics to be able to understand the relevant concept, theorem, etc., but to whom this particular material is new"</q> then it just can't be that the lede should be "broadly comprehensible" by appealing to intuition and lacking rigor. No one ever learned a mathematical concept without seeing its actual definition, or something very close to it. This is exemplified by many analysis articles on WP nowadays. For instance, <a href="/wiki/Distribution_(mathematics)" title="Distribution (mathematics)">Distribution</a> has a long lede that attempts many times to give the reader an intuitive idea of what distributions are, without ever actually saying explicitly what they are. It is not informative at all. One has to dig down quite considerably to learn anything on this page. The problem is hardly unique to that article.</dd> <dd>I think Gödel's incompleteness theorem(s) is a bad example. This is a topic which has great significance in popular mathematics and about which much philosophy, etc. has been written. It is accurate to the RS to present it as that article does. The same is not true of most math topics. <a href="/wiki/User:ByVarying" title="User:ByVarying"><span style="color:#96A">ByVarying</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ByVarying" title="User talk:ByVarying"><span style="color:#630">talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-ByVarying-20231116223500-Jmabel-20231114203200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ByVarying-20231116223500-Jmabel-20231114203200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ByVarying-20231116223500-Jmabel-20231114203200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D.Lazard-20231117102900-ByVarying-20231116223500"></span>Just a comment on <a href="/wiki/Distribution_(mathematics)" title="Distribution (mathematics)">Distribution (mathematics)</a>: It is wrong that the definition of distributions is not given in the lead. It is clearly explained that distributions are linear forms on the infinitely differential functions with compact support, and that a function can be considered as a distribution by integrating the product of the function with infinitely differential functions with compact support. This is a complete and accurate definition.</dd> <dd>If some readers do not recognize this as a definition, it is probably because passing from functions to distributions is a fundamental change of paradigm that requires some work to be well understood. Probably, the lead could be improved on this point, but this is not an easy task. <a href="/wiki/User:D.Lazard" title="User:D.Lazard">D.Lazard</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:D.Lazard" title="User talk:D.Lazard">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-D.Lazard-20231117102900-ByVarying-20231116223500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D.Lazard-20231117102900-ByVarying-20231116223500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D.Lazard-20231117102900-ByVarying-20231116223500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ByVarying-20231117110700-D.Lazard-20231117102900"></span>To be clear, the reason I didn't understand that the definition of distribution wasn't in the lede was that I didn't scroll all the way down to the last paragraph to find it. It's a little embarrassing that my statement turned out not to be true, but I think the example is still relevant in that the four intervening paragraphs, which I assume attempt to prepare one for the definition, do not do so. <a href="/wiki/User:ByVarying" title="User:ByVarying"><span style="color:#96A">ByVarying</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ByVarying" title="User talk:ByVarying"><span style="color:#630">talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-ByVarying-20231117110700-D.Lazard-20231117102900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ByVarying-20231117110700-D.Lazard-20231117102900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ByVarying-20231117110700-D.Lazard-20231117102900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-20231117051800-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible"></span>OK: let me be more concrete. Does anyone think my example above about adding a parenthetical phrase to explain "lemniscates" is not the sort of thing that makes an article more useful? Can it really be better to make someone click through to get a concept we can explain pretty well in a couple of words? </p><p>Or let's take a couple of sentences in the (generally decently written) article <a href="/wiki/Topological_space" title="Topological space">Topological space</a>. </p> <ul><li>"Here we also allow <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle X}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>X</mi> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle X}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/68baa052181f707c662844a465bfeeb135e82bab" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:1.98ex; height:2.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle X}"/></span> to be empty." Why not just "<span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle X}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>X</mi> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle X}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/68baa052181f707c662844a465bfeeb135e82bab" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:1.98ex; height:2.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle X}"/></span> may also be an <a href="/wiki/Empty_set" title="Empty set">empty set</a>" (we might even omit "also")?</li> <li>"In other words, each point of the set <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle X}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>X</mi> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle X}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/68baa052181f707c662844a465bfeeb135e82bab" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:1.98ex; height:2.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle X}"/></span> belongs to every one of its neighbourhoods with respect to <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\mathcal {N}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi class="MJX-tex-caligraphic" mathvariant="script">N</mi> </mrow> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\mathcal {N}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/b7551c7bed2cd2ee83e10536d157c94a5f8f72fd" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; margin-left: -0.062ex; width:2.337ex; height:2.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\mathcal {N}}}"/></span>." I believe it would not be instantly obvious to someone who has not already studied topology that "its" refers back to "each point", not to <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle X}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>X</mi> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle X}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/68baa052181f707c662844a465bfeeb135e82bab" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:1.98ex; height:2.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle X}"/></span>. I had to read it twice myself, and it states a fact that I knew perfectly well. It could be clarified by writing (for example) "In other words, each point <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle x}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>x</mi> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle x}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/87f9e315fd7e2ba406057a97300593c4802b53e4" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:1.33ex; height:1.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle x}"/></span> of the set <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle X}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>X</mi> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle X}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/68baa052181f707c662844a465bfeeb135e82bab" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:1.98ex; height:2.176ex;" alt="{\displaystyle X}"/></span> belongs to every one of its (<span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle x}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>x</mi> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle x}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/87f9e315fd7e2ba406057a97300593c4802b53e4" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:1.33ex; height:1.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle x}"/></span>'s) neighbourhoods with respect to <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\mathcal {N}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi class="MJX-tex-caligraphic" mathvariant="script">N</mi> </mrow> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\mathcal {N}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/b7551c7bed2cd2ee83e10536d157c94a5f8f72fd" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; margin-left: -0.062ex; width:2.337ex; height:2.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\mathcal {N}}}"/></span>."</li></ul> <p>These are trivial examples, but I'm picking them because I think everyone reading this can presumably understand them. This sort of thing drives me up a wall when I try to read Wikipedia articles about math topics where I certainly have a background that should suffice to read a well-written article on the topic. </p><p>Non-rhetorical question: don't most of you find yourself with the same problem when you try to read a Wikipedia math article outside of your own specific field? Because last week in Toronto, when we were discussing this in a room where probably half the people had STEM degrees, most of us at least a Masters, it appeared to be a pretty universally shared experience. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jmabel-20231117051800-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-20231117051800-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-20231117051800-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20231117084600-Jmabel-20231117051800"></span>Adding parenthetical phrases (short pieces of text that distract from the main sentence (a complete thought, usually formatted with a capital starting letter and ending with a period) by separating pieces of it by long distances from other pieces) can make text harder to read. Using unfamiliar jargon also makes text hard to read but we should avoid piling on one problem to fix another. In some cases a <i>single level</i> of short glosses may be ok. In others, a more jargon-free choice of wording may be a better choice. In the case in question, explaining that a lemniscate is an algebraic curve studied by Bernoulli would not help. All we really need to say is that curves that cross themselves, like a figure 8, are not manifolds. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-David_Eppstein-20231117084600-Jmabel-20231117051800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20231117084600-Jmabel-20231117051800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20231117084600-Jmabel-20231117051800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231117230900-Jmabel-20231117051800"></span>Yes, there is plenty of agreement that we should try to work on this. But it's a huge amount of difficult work researching, synthesizing, writing, drawing or soliciting diagrams, and making decisions and compromises; it takes both mathematical subject knowledge and writing skill/taste; and ideally it involves collaborating with other Wikipedians to settle on something that is precise enough for a specialist audience while also being as broadly legible as practical to a wider audience. There are hard choices to make about inter- and intra-article organization, tone, emphasis, level of detail, etc. If you want to pick an article or cluster of articles and get to work, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">"be bold"</a> about making changes, with the understanding that your changes might be disputed or reverted, so you are likely to need to engage in sometimes frustrating discussions and do more meta-work than typical when writing for yourself. If you get stuck or need help or feedback, you can recruit volunteers here. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231117230900-Jmabel-20231117051800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231117230900-Jmabel-20231117051800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231117230900-Jmabel-20231117051800"></span></dd></dl> <p>If anyone wants ideas for what to improve first, I took the "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vital_articles" title="Wikipedia:Vital articles">Vital articles</a>" for mathematics and found their 30-day page view counts. These topics are likely to have broader audiences than many of the more esoteric articles, and only a few of them have any GA/FA stamp of approval. </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Extended content</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="General_(5_articles)" data-mw-thread-id="h-General_(5_articles)-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible"><span id="General_.285_articles.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-General_(5_articles)-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible"></span>General (5 articles)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-General_(5_articles)-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: General (5 articles)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_b_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="B-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Delisted good article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></span></span> <i><b><a href="/wiki/Mathematics" title="Mathematics">Mathematics</a></b></i> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/1" title="Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/1">Level 1</a>) - 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142,557</li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Featured_article_star.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Featured article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/16px-Featured_article_star.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/24px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/32px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Pi" title="Pi"><span class="texhtml mvar" style="font-style:italic;">π</span></a> - 173,469</li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_c_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="C-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Fraction" title="Fraction">Fraction</a> - 20,799</li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_b_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="B-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Integer" title="Integer">Integer</a> - 46,072 <ul><li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_c_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="C-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/0" title="0">0</a> - 241,262 (compare with <a href="/wiki/1" title="1">1</a>, not on this list, which has 248,145)</li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_c_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="C-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Natural_number" title="Natural number">Natural number</a> - 51,345</li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Good article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/31px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <a href="/wiki/Prime_number" title="Prime number">Prime number</a> - 123,187</li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_b_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="B-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Complex_number" title="Complex number">Complex number</a> - 53,705</li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_b_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="B-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Failed good article nominee"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/31px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <a href="/wiki/Number_theory" title="Number theory">Number theory</a> - 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36,550</li></ul></li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_b_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="B-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Failed good article nominee"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/31px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <a href="/wiki/Area" title="Area">Area</a> - 15,529</li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_c_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="C-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Conic_section" title="Conic section">Conic section</a> - 20,720 <ul><li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_c_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="C-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Circle" title="Circle">Circle</a> - 40,105</li></ul></li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_c_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="C-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Line_(geometry)" title="Line (geometry)">Line</a> - 9,302</li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_c_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="C-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Polygon" title="Polygon">Polygon</a> - 22,187 <ul><li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_c_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="C-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Former featured article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg/16px-Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg/24px-Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg/32px-Featured_article_star_-_cross.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Triangle" title="Triangle">Triangle</a> - 36,061</li></ul></li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_c_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="C-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Three-dimensional_space" title="Three-dimensional space">Three-dimensional space</a> - 20,725</li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_c_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="C-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Volume" title="Volume">Volume</a> - 19,626</li></ul></li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_b_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="B-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Failed good article nominee"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/31px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <a href="/wiki/Topology" title="Topology">Topology</a> - 35,479</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible-20231117225600"><span id="Probability_and_statistics_.282_articles.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible-20231117225600"></span>Probability and statistics (2 articles)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)-Making_mathematical_articles_more_broadly_accessible-20231117225600"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Probability and statistics (2 articles)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20231117225600-Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)"></span><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_b_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="B-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/Probability" title="Probability">Probability</a> - 31,176</li> <li><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_b_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="B-Class article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Delisted good article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_unsupport_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></span></span> <b><a href="/wiki/Statistics" title="Statistics">Statistics</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/2" title="Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/2">Level 2</a>) - 51,094</li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>Also in this range are <a href="/wiki/Quadratic_formula" title="Quadratic formula">Quadratic formula</a> (70,039), <a href="/wiki/Sine_and_cosine" title="Sine and cosine">Sine and cosine</a> (52,339), and probably others that aren't springing to mind right now. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-XOR'easter-20231117225600-Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20231117225600-Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20231117225600-Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231117231400-XOR'easter-20231117225600"></span>XOR'easter</a>, how much trouble would it be to get a similar view count for all of the math wikiproject articles of top/high(/mid) priority? –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231117231400-XOR'easter-20231117225600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231117231400-XOR'easter-20231117225600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231117231400-XOR'easter-20231117225600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20231117232100-Jacobolus-20231117231400"></span>Good question. Long enough that I'm not going to try by hand; there are <a href="/wiki/Category:High-priority_mathematics_articles" title="Category:High-priority mathematics articles">911 "high-priority" mathematics articles</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Top-priority_mathematics_articles" title="Category:Top-priority mathematics articles">244 "top-priority" ones</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-XOR'easter-20231117232100-Jacobolus-20231117231400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20231117232100-Jacobolus-20231117231400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20231117232100-Jacobolus-20231117231400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231117232300-XOR'easter-20231117232100"></span>Oh, I thought you had a script. Maybe someone can figure out how to automate this. (I could probably, but I'm not feeling super motivated to try right now.) –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231117232300-XOR'easter-20231117232100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231117232300-XOR'easter-20231117232100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231117232300-XOR'easter-20231117232100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20231117233100-Jacobolus-20231117232300"></span>Funny story about that: I remembered doing something along these lines for physics a while ago, and I thought there was a script for it. Then I finally found my notes and discovered that I had done it by hand. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-XOR'easter-20231117233100-Jacobolus-20231117232300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20231117233100-Jacobolus-20231117232300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20231117233100-Jacobolus-20231117232300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231117233800-XOR'easter-20231117232100"></span>There's apparently an existing tool. So that's convenient. For example, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/massviews/?platform=all-access&agent=user&source=category&start=2022-11-16&end=2023-11-16&subjectpage=1&subcategories=0&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&target=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:High-priority_mathematics_articles">high-priority math article views in the past year</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231117233800-XOR'easter-20231117232100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231117233800-XOR'easter-20231117232100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231117233800-XOR'easter-20231117232100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20231117234400-Jacobolus-20231117233800"></span>Thanks. "Massviews"... not the most obvious name! <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-XOR'easter-20231117234400-Jacobolus-20231117233800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:44, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20231117234400-Jacobolus-20231117233800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20231117234400-Jacobolus-20231117233800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231117234800-Jacobolus-20231117233800"></span>Highest-view articles that are concrete math concepts per se are apparently <a href="/wiki/Roman_numerals" title="Roman numerals">Roman numerals</a>, <a href="/wiki/Poisson_distribution" title="Poisson distribution">Poisson distribution</a>, <a href="/wiki/Golden_ratio" title="Golden ratio">Golden ratio</a>, <a href="/wiki/Fibonacci_sequence" title="Fibonacci sequence">Fibonacci sequence</a>, <a href="/wiki/Taylor_series" title="Taylor series">Taylor series</a>, <a href="/wiki/Exponential_distribution" title="Exponential distribution">Exponential distribution</a>, <a href="/wiki/Gamma_distribution" title="Gamma distribution">Gamma distribution</a>, <a href="/wiki/Gamma_function" title="Gamma function">Gamma function</a>, ... Seems like people interested in introductory statistics topics do a lot of Wikipedia lookups. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231117234800-Jacobolus-20231117233800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231117234800-Jacobolus-20231117233800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231117234800-Jacobolus-20231117233800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20231118073200-Jacobolus-20231117234800"></span>One of those high-viewcount and high-priority articles, <a href="/wiki/Arithmetic" title="Arithmetic">arithmetic</a>, has been undergoing major changes this month from a couple of editors whose names I don't recognize. Might be for the better, I'm not sure, but could at least benefit from some checking. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-David_Eppstein-20231118073200-Jacobolus-20231117234800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20231118073200-Jacobolus-20231117234800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20231118073200-Jacobolus-20231117234800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231118074500-David_Eppstein-20231118073200"></span>The previous state of <a href="/wiki/Arithmetic" title="Arithmetic">arithmetic</a> wasn't very inspiring, and definitely needed some help. I haven't looked super closely but at least it doesn't seem to be getting worse. It wouldn't be bad to have some more group effort go into organizing and fleshing out the article though, if anyone else wants to dive in there. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231118074500-David_Eppstein-20231118073200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231118074500-David_Eppstein-20231118073200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231118074500-David_Eppstein-20231118073200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chatul-20231120152300-Jacobolus-20231118074500"></span>I still see issues: <ol><li><a href="/wiki/Arithmetic#Definition,_etymology,_and_related_fields" title="Arithmetic">Arithmetic#Definition, etymology, and related fields</a> has an extremely dated reference to Algebra; Abstract Algebra deals with more than numbers.</li> <li>No mention of <a href="/wiki/Transcendental_number" title="Transcendental number">transcendental numbers</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Arithmetic#Number_theory" title="Arithmetic">Arithmetic#Number theory</a> is too narrow, e.g., no mention of <a href="/wiki/Gaussian_integer" title="Gaussian integer">Gaussian integers</a>.</li></ol></dd> <dd>These are areas that deserve links to existing articles but not lengthy expositions here. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Chatul" title="User:Chatul">Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chatul" title="User talk:Chatul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Chatul-20231120152300-Jacobolus-20231118074500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chatul-20231120152300-Jacobolus-20231118074500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chatul-20231120152300-Jacobolus-20231118074500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayBeeEll-20231118172100-David_Eppstein-20231118073200"></span>One of the two (Phlsph7) is responsible for bringing <a href="/wiki/Logic" title="Logic">Logic</a> to FA status recently. --<a href="/wiki/User:JayBeeEll" title="User:JayBeeEll">JBL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayBeeEll" title="User talk:JayBeeEll">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-JayBeeEll-20231118172100-David_Eppstein-20231118073200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 18 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayBeeEll-20231118172100-David_Eppstein-20231118073200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayBeeEll-20231118172100-David_Eppstein-20231118073200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231119184500-Jacobolus-20231117233800"></span>Okay, here's a sorted list of all the top/high priority articles with more than 700 daily views:</dd> <dd>More than 5k views per day: <a href="/wiki/Albert_Einstein" title="Albert Einstein">Albert Einstein</a>, <a href="/wiki/Isaac_Newton" title="Isaac Newton">Isaac Newton</a>, <a href="/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan" title="Srinivasa Ramanujan">Srinivasa Ramanujan</a>, <a href="/wiki/0" title="0">0</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pi" title="Pi">Pi</a>, <a href="/wiki/Normal_distribution" title="Normal distribution">Normal distribution</a>, <a href="/wiki/1" title="1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Aristotle" title="Aristotle">Aristotle</a>,</dd> <dd>More than 3k views per day: <a href="/wiki/Standard_deviation" title="Standard deviation">Standard deviation</a>, <a href="/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem" title="Bayes' theorem">Bayes' theorem</a>, <a href="/wiki/Galileo_Galilei" title="Galileo Galilei">Galileo Galilei</a>, <a href="/wiki/Mathematics" title="Mathematics">Mathematics</a>, <a href="/wiki/Quantum_mechanics" title="Quantum mechanics">Quantum mechanics</a>, <a href="/wiki/E_(mathematical_constant)" title="E (mathematical constant)">E (mathematical constant)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Roman_numerals" title="Roman numerals">Roman numerals</a>, <a href="/wiki/Prime_number" title="Prime number">Prime number</a>, <a href="/wiki/Archimedes" title="Archimedes">Archimedes</a>, <a href="/wiki/Poisson_distribution" title="Poisson distribution">Poisson distribution</a>, <a href="/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash_Jr." title="John Forbes Nash Jr.">John Forbes Nash Jr.</a>, <a href="/wiki/Golden_ratio" title="Golden ratio">Golden ratio</a>, <a href="/wiki/Time" title="Time">Time</a>, <a href="/wiki/Fibonacci_sequence" title="Fibonacci sequence">Fibonacci sequence</a>, <a href="/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion" title="Newton's laws of motion">Newton's laws of motion</a>, <a href="/wiki/Taylor_series" title="Taylor series">Taylor series</a>, <a href="/wiki/John_von_Neumann" title="John von Neumann">John von Neumann</a>, <a href="/wiki/Fourier_transform" title="Fourier transform">Fourier transform</a>, <a href="/wiki/2" title="2">2</a></dd> <dd>More than 2k views per day: <a href="/wiki/Entropy" title="Entropy">Entropy</a>, <a href="/wiki/Physics" title="Physics">Physics</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pythagorean_theorem" title="Pythagorean theorem">Pythagorean theorem</a>, <a href="/wiki/4" title="4">4</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pythagoras" title="Pythagoras">Pythagoras</a>, <a href="/wiki/Bertrand_Russell" title="Bertrand Russell">Bertrand Russell</a>, <a href="/wiki/Theory_of_relativity" title="Theory of relativity">Theory of relativity</a>, <a href="/wiki/5" title="5">5</a>, <a href="/wiki/8" title="8">8</a>, <a href="/wiki/Information" title="Information">Information</a>, <a href="/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Descartes" title="René Descartes">René Descartes</a>, <a href="/wiki/Variance" title="Variance">Variance</a>, <a href="/wiki/Aryabhata" title="Aryabhata">Aryabhata</a>, <a href="/wiki/6" title="6">6</a>, <a href="/wiki/Exponential_distribution" title="Exponential distribution">Exponential distribution</a>, <a href="/wiki/Calculus" title="Calculus">Calculus</a>, <a href="/wiki/Gamma_distribution" title="Gamma distribution">Gamma distribution</a>, <a href="/wiki/Algorithm" title="Algorithm">Algorithm</a>, <a href="/wiki/Gamma_function" title="Gamma function">Gamma function</a>, <a href="/wiki/Dot_product" title="Dot product">Dot product</a>, <a href="/wiki/Principal_component_analysis" title="Principal component analysis">Principal component analysis</a>, <a href="/wiki/Game_theory" title="Game theory">Game theory</a>, <a href="/wiki/Tesseract" title="Tesseract">Tesseract</a>, <a href="/wiki/Matrix_(mathematics)" title="Matrix (mathematics)">Matrix (mathematics)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Number" title="Number">Number</a>, <a href="/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations" title="Maxwell's equations">Maxwell's equations</a>, <a href="/wiki/Eigenvalues_and_eigenvectors" title="Eigenvalues and eigenvectors">Eigenvalues and eigenvectors</a></dd> <dd>More than 1.5k views per day: <a href="/wiki/Butterfly_effect" title="Butterfly effect">Butterfly effect</a>, <a href="/wiki/Chaos_theory" title="Chaos theory">Chaos theory</a>, <a href="/wiki/Quadratic_formula" title="Quadratic formula">Quadratic formula</a>, <a href="/wiki/Chi-squared_test" title="Chi-squared test">Chi-squared test</a>, <a href="/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method" title="Monte Carlo method">Monte Carlo method</a>, <a href="/wiki/10" title="10">10</a>, <a href="/wiki/Logarithm" title="Logarithm">Logarithm</a>, <a href="/wiki/Logic" title="Logic">Logic</a>, <a href="/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life" title="Conway's Game of Life">Conway's Game of Life</a>, <a href="/wiki/General_relativity" title="General relativity">General relativity</a>, <a href="/wiki/Euclid" title="Euclid">Euclid</a>, <a href="/wiki/Linear_regression" title="Linear regression">Linear regression</a>, <a href="/wiki/Statistics" title="Statistics">Statistics</a>, <a href="/wiki/Central_limit_theorem" title="Central limit theorem">Central limit theorem</a>, <a href="/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis" title="Riemann hypothesis">Riemann hypothesis</a>, <a href="/wiki/Singular_value_decomposition" title="Singular value decomposition">Singular value decomposition</a>, <a href="/wiki/Euler%27s_formula" title="Euler's formula">Euler's formula</a>, <a href="/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)" title="Entropy (information theory)">Entropy (information theory)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Derivative" title="Derivative">Derivative</a>, <a href="/wiki/Turing_machine" title="Turing machine">Turing machine</a>, <a href="/wiki/Abacus" title="Abacus">Abacus</a>, <a href="/wiki/Complex_number" title="Complex number">Complex number</a>, <a href="/wiki/Algebra" title="Algebra">Algebra</a>, <a href="/wiki/Leonhard_Euler" title="Leonhard Euler">Leonhard Euler</a>, <a href="/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_equations" title="Navier–Stokes equations">Navier–Stokes equations</a>, <a href="/wiki/Sigmoid_function" title="Sigmoid function">Sigmoid function</a>, <a href="/wiki/Natural_number" title="Natural number">Natural number</a>, <a href="/wiki/Laplace_transform" title="Laplace transform">Laplace transform</a>, <a href="/wiki/Dirac_delta_function" title="Dirac delta function">Dirac delta function</a>, <a href="/wiki/Exponential_function" title="Exponential function">Exponential function</a>, <a href="/wiki/Spacetime" title="Spacetime">Spacetime</a>, <a href="/wiki/Spherical_coordinate_system" title="Spherical coordinate system">Spherical coordinate system</a>, <a href="/wiki/Probability_density_function" title="Probability density function">Probability density function</a></dd> <dd>More than 1k views per day: <a href="/wiki/Regression_analysis" title="Regression analysis">Regression analysis</a>, <a href="/wiki/Fast_Fourier_transform" title="Fast Fourier transform">Fast Fourier transform</a>, <a href="/wiki/Matrix_multiplication" title="Matrix multiplication">Matrix multiplication</a>, <a href="/wiki/Determinant" title="Determinant">Determinant</a>, <a href="/wiki/Sine_and_cosine" title="Sine and cosine">Sine and cosine</a>, <a href="/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_Gauss" title="Carl Friedrich Gauss">Carl Friedrich Gauss</a>, <a href="/wiki/Data_science" title="Data science">Data science</a>, <a href="/wiki/Integral" title="Integral">Integral</a>, <a href="/wiki/Markov_chain" title="Markov chain">Markov chain</a>, <a href="/wiki/Integer" title="Integer">Integer</a>, <a href="/wiki/Quadratic_equation" title="Quadratic equation">Quadratic equation</a>, <a href="/wiki/Expected_value" title="Expected value">Expected value</a>, <a href="/wiki/Confidence_interval" title="Confidence interval">Confidence interval</a>, <a href="/wiki/Collatz_conjecture" title="Collatz conjecture">Collatz conjecture</a>, <a href="/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem" title="P versus NP problem">P versus NP problem</a>, <a href="/wiki/Fourier_series" title="Fourier series">Fourier series</a>, <a 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cosines</a>, <a href="/wiki/Power_of_two" title="Power of two">Power of two</a>, <a href="/wiki/Axiom" title="Axiom">Axiom</a>, <a href="/wiki/Platonic_solid" title="Platonic solid">Platonic solid</a>, <a href="/wiki/Euclidean_geometry" title="Euclidean geometry">Euclidean geometry</a>, <a href="/wiki/Divergence_theorem" title="Divergence theorem">Divergence theorem</a>, <a href="/wiki/Radian" title="Radian">Radian</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wave_equation" title="Wave equation">Wave equation</a>, <a href="/wiki/Euler%27s_totient_function" title="Euler's totient function">Euler's totient function</a>, <a href="/wiki/Tensor_product" title="Tensor product">Tensor product</a>, <a href="/wiki/Perfect_number" title="Perfect number">Perfect number</a>, <a href="/wiki/Euclidean_space" title="Euclidean space">Euclidean space</a>, <a href="/wiki/Arithmetic" title="Arithmetic">Arithmetic</a>, <a href="/wiki/Random_variable" title="Random variable">Random variable</a></dd> <dd>–<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231119184500-Jacobolus-20231117233800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 19 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231119184500-Jacobolus-20231117233800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231119184500-Jacobolus-20231117233800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20231120031800-Jacobolus-20231119184500"></span>Thanks for organizing the list this way. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> The article <a href="/wiki/Circle" title="Circle">Circle</a> seems particularly lackluster: many bulleted lists instead of prose, few references. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-XOR'easter-20231120031800-Jacobolus-20231119184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20231120031800-Jacobolus-20231119184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20231120031800-Jacobolus-20231119184500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Circle" title="Circle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231120042300-XOR'easter-20231120031800"></span>Circle</a> is definitely on my list of pages to eventually dramatically expand. It's a bit tricky to figure out how to organize because there is <i>so much</i> to say and so many relevant sources. For inspiration take a look at <i><a href="/wiki/A_Treatise_on_the_Circle_and_the_Sphere" title="A Treatise on the Circle and the Sphere">A Treatise on the Circle and the Sphere</a></i>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231120042300-XOR'easter-20231120031800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231120042300-XOR'easter-20231120031800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231120042300-XOR'easter-20231120031800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XOR'easter-20231120055000-Jacobolus-20231120042300"></span>I seriously thought about starting by writing a section that summarized Book 3 of Euclid.... <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR'easter">XOR'easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:XOR'easter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-XOR'easter-20231120055000-Jacobolus-20231120042300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XOR'easter-20231120055000-Jacobolus-20231120042300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XOR'easter-20231120055000-Jacobolus-20231120042300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231120061400-XOR'easter-20231120055000"></span>We should start with a dedicated article about Book 3 of Euclid. Ideally we'd also have dedicated articles about Book I (parallelograms / affine geometry), Book II ("quadrature"), Book V (proportions), Book VI (similarity), Books VII–IX (number theory), Book X (incommensurable lines), Books XI–XIII (solid geometry). (Aside: I've been reading a translation/commentary and other sources about <a href="/wiki/Theodosius%27_Spherics" title="Theodosius' Spherics">Theodosius' <i>Spherics</i></a> of which the first half is more or less "let's make every analogy of every proposition we can from <i>Elements</i> III on the sphere". I'm still not quite ready to expand the <i>Spherics</i> article though.) –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231120061400-XOR'easter-20231120055000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231120061400-XOR'easter-20231120055000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231120061400-XOR'easter-20231120055000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Silvermatsu-20231118164200-Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)"></span>Regarding the lead sentence of <a href="/wiki/Yoneda_lemma" title="Yoneda lemma">Yoneda lemma</a>, it says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">the Yoneda lemma is arguably the most important result in category theory.</q>. This seems to be due to the addition of Template:Technical to the article, but I wonder if it helps with accessibility. By the way, nominating some articles to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYK">WP:DYK</a> may be more useful than adding maintenance templates to the top of the articles. --<a href="/wiki/User:Silvermatsu" title="User:Silvermatsu">SilverMatsu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silvermatsu" title="User talk:Silvermatsu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Silvermatsu-20231118164200-Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 18 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Silvermatsu-20231118164200-Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Silvermatsu-20231118164200-Probability_and_statistics_(2_articles)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYK"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231118170500-Silvermatsu-20231118164200"></span>WP:DYK</a> basically doesn't want technical articles. They just sit in a queue before eventually someone decides they aren't of general enough interest and get dropped. Not worth the trouble to nominate things there. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231118170500-Silvermatsu-20231118164200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231118170500-Silvermatsu-20231118164200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231118170500-Silvermatsu-20231118164200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayBeeEll-20231118171800-Jacobolus-20231118170500"></span>I got <a href="/wiki/Affine_symmetric_group" title="Affine symmetric group">affine symmetric group</a> there -- I think it was helpful that along the way I was repeatedly pushed to keep writing the introduction in a more and more gentle way, well beyond what I thought possible. --<a href="/wiki/User:JayBeeEll" title="User:JayBeeEll">JBL</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayBeeEll" title="User talk:JayBeeEll">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-JayBeeEll-20231118171800-Jacobolus-20231118170500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayBeeEll-20231118171800-Jacobolus-20231118170500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayBeeEll-20231118171800-Jacobolus-20231118170500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Integer_factorization" data-mw-thread-id="h-Integer_factorization-20231030175400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Integer_factorization-20231030175400"></span>Integer factorization<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Integer_factorization-20231030175400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Integer factorization"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-20231030175400-Integer_factorization"></span>The article <a href="/wiki/Integer_factorization" title="Integer factorization">integer factorization</a> lists a lot of algorithms. I think it should say what algorithms are the most practical. Somewhere (I couldn't find it again) I read that Shanks's SQUFOF is clearly the best for <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle n<2^{64}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>n</mi> <mo><</mo> <msup> <mn>2</mn> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn>64</mn> </mrow> </msup> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle n<2^{64}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/4fa0fc04f117716cb51c559b3222224aa3ea836a" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.338ex; width:7.532ex; height:2.676ex;" alt="{\displaystyle n<2^{64}}"/></span>, or something a little bigger than that; that Quadratic Sieve was best for some range, and that something else was better for some other range. </p><p>Can someone add that to the article? <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">You talkin' to me?</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Bubba73-20231030175400-Integer_factorization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 30 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-20231030175400-Integer_factorization"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-20231030175400-Integer_factorization"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-20231101050600-Bubba73-20231030175400"></span>And <a href="/wiki/General_number_field_sieve" title="General number field sieve">General number field sieve</a> says that it is best for integers over 100 digits. So what are the approximate range where each is the best? <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">You talkin' to me?</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Bubba73-20231101050600-Bubba73-20231030175400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-20231101050600-Bubba73-20231030175400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-20231101050600-Bubba73-20231030175400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-20231105010600-Bubba73-20231030175400"></span>Also, I think it would be good to have an article about how to factor an integer. I remember a journal article with that title decades ago. Also, Knuth, volume 2, § 4.5.4 goes through a process, but it is out of date. He first does trial factorization and then switches to Fermat's method, which isn't currently the best thing to do. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">You talkin' to me?</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Bubba73-20231105010600-Bubba73-20231030175400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 5 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-20231105010600-Bubba73-20231030175400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-20231105010600-Bubba73-20231030175400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D.Lazard-20231105113500-Bubba73-20231105010600"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">What are the approximate range where each is the best?</q> This strongly depends on the used computer architecture and the used basic algorithms (integer multiplication, linear algebra, ...). So, I doubt that any reliable encyclopedic answer can be provided.</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">I think it would be good to have an article about how to factor an integer.</q> See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHOWTO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHOWTO">WP:NOTHOWTO</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:D.Lazard" title="User:D.Lazard">D.Lazard</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:D.Lazard" title="User talk:D.Lazard">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-D.Lazard-20231105113500-Bubba73-20231105010600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 5 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D.Lazard-20231105113500-Bubba73-20231105010600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D.Lazard-20231105113500-Bubba73-20231105010600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231105144600-D.Lazard-20231105113500"></span>More accessible explanations near the front, some historical discussion, possibly an example or two, and some explicit comparison of various methods wouldn't necessarily make <a href="/wiki/Integer_factorization" title="Integer factorization">integer factorization</a> into a "howto". What we have now is mostly a list of wikilinks to various methods with no explanation or context. A novice reader of the integer factorization page (say a high school student) isn't going to get much out of it, even if integer factorization is relevant to one of their interests or projects, because the page is written in a pretty inaccessible way.</dd> <dd>But <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a>, what did you have in mind? You can always try adding the information you are looking for to the article. Or if you propose something concrete maybe others can help. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231105144600-D.Lazard-20231105113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 5 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231105144600-D.Lazard-20231105113500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231105144600-D.Lazard-20231105113500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-20231105221500-Jacobolus-20231105144600"></span>I would want some reference on which to base such an article. Something like try trial division up to some point, and if that fails to completely factor it, do a primality test on what remains. If it is composite, then try to factor it with method X. etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">You talkin' to me?</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Bubba73-20231105221500-Jacobolus-20231105144600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 5 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-20231105221500-Jacobolus-20231105144600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-20231105221500-Jacobolus-20231105144600"></span> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-20231105223000-Bubba73-20231105221500"></span>The Joy of Factoring</i>, by Wagstaff, page 247 gives several tips. It also says that the Quadratic Sieve is best for numbers with 50-100 digits and the Number Field Sieve is best for numbers with more than 100 digits. At least that should go in the <a href="/wiki/Integer_factorization" title="Integer factorization">integer factorization</a> article. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">You talkin' to me?</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Bubba73-20231105223000-Bubba73-20231105221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-20231105223000-Bubba73-20231105221500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-20231105223000-Bubba73-20231105221500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20231105231800-Bubba73-20231105223000"></span>Is that ten-year-old comparison still accurate, though? As of a different 2011 comparison the crossover was more like in the low 90s <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=15109">[1]</a> and since then some NSF implementations have had significant speedups <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://cado-nfs.gitlabpages.inria.fr/">[2]</a>. Later posts in the same thread put the crossover at around 100 again. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-David_Eppstein-20231105231800-Bubba73-20231105223000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 5 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20231105231800-Bubba73-20231105223000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20231105231800-Bubba73-20231105223000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-20231106004800-David_Eppstein-20231105231800"></span>Probably not. I'm not up to date on this. But it may give a rough idea. It could be in there with the date of the statement, and note that things change, and it depends on other factors. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">You talkin' to me?</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Bubba73-20231106004800-David_Eppstein-20231105231800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-20231106004800-David_Eppstein-20231105231800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-20231106004800-David_Eppstein-20231105231800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20231105234700-Jacobolus-20231105144600"></span>I tried to make the first paragraph of <a href="/wiki/Integer_factorization" title="Integer factorization">integer factorization</a> a bit more accessible. I think it would still be good to add another paragraph to the lead (and another section to the article) describing pre-computer pen-and-paper factorization algorithms and efforts. –<a href="/wiki/User:Jacobolus" title="User:Jacobolus">jacobolus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacobolus" title="User talk:Jacobolus">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Jacobolus-20231105234700-Jacobolus-20231105144600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 5 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacobolus-20231105234700-Jacobolus-20231105144600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacobolus-20231105234700-Jacobolus-20231105144600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-20231121030900-Integer_factorization"></span>Regarding "how to", it shouldn't have the name "how to factor an integer", but something like "method to factor an integer". Also, <a href="/wiki/Greatest_common_divisor" title="Greatest common divisor">greatest common divisor</a> tells you "how to" find the GCD. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">You talkin' to me?</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Bubba73-20231121030900-Integer_factorization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-20231121030900-Integer_factorization"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-20231121030900-Integer_factorization"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamfang-20231125053900-Bubba73-20231121030900"></span>"factoring algorithms" <a href="/wiki/User:Tamfang" title="User:Tamfang">—Tamfang</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamfang" title="User talk:Tamfang">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Tamfang-20231125053900-Bubba73-20231121030900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamfang-20231125053900-Bubba73-20231121030900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamfang-20231125053900-Bubba73-20231121030900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-20231125080400-Tamfang-20231125053900"></span>That's the right idea, but the more idiomatic phrase (maybe 2.5x more popular in Google Scholar) is "factorization algorithm" (singular because that's what Wikipedia tends to do). —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-David_Eppstein-20231125080400-Tamfang-20231125053900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-20231125080400-Tamfang-20231125053900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-20231125080400-Tamfang-20231125053900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-20231125215300-David_Eppstein-20231125080400"></span>Something like that, but not just a list of factoring algorithms, but something to give guidelines about what should be used and when. I don't have a reference for this, but, unless you know that there are no small factors, I always start with some trial division. Sometimes trial division is enough. But after a certain number of small factors have been checked, do a primality test on what remains. (And you may want to do a primality test right after some factors have been found.) If it is composite, then what you do next depends on how large the remaining number is. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">You talkin' to me?</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Bubba73-20231125215300-David_Eppstein-20231125080400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 25 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-20231125215300-David_Eppstein-20231125080400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-20231125215300-David_Eppstein-20231125080400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-20231125222200-Integer_factorization"></span>Summarizing Wagstaff's tips: </p><p>1. Do at least a probable prime test first </p><p>2. Look for small factors </p><p>3. Trial division first, then ECM with a small bound and increase the bound, if necessary </p><p>4. Parallelize if you can </p><p>5. Remember that Pollard Rho and ECM may not find factors in order </p><p>6. Choose the best algorithm for the size of the number. Quadratic Sieve is fastest for 50-100 digits and Number Field Sieve is fastest for more than 100 digits. </p><p>7. when a factor is discovered, check it for primality. Use the BPSW test. If you need to prove a number to be prime, use the Elliptic Curve Prime Proving method, or if you can factor p-1, use one of those methods. </p><p>Now, this isn't what I do because I always check for some small factors before a primality test, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">You talkin' to me?</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov#c-Bubba73-20231125222200-Integer_factorization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-20231125222200-Integer_factorization"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-20231125222200-Integer_factorization"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&oldid=1191049224">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2023/Nov&oldid=1191049224</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Category</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Mathematics_archives/2023" title="Category:WikiProject Mathematics archives/2023">WikiProject Mathematics archives/2023</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 21 December 2023, at 07:36<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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