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data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">Vikipēdijas lapa</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="lv" dir="ltr"><p>Arī latviešu valodā intonācijai var būt semantiska nozīme. Būtībā tā būtu ievietojama vienā grupā ar norvēģu un japāņu, kas ir pitch accent valodas, nevis kopā ar franču valodu. Protams, vajadzētu atsevišķu rakstu par pitch accent un īpašajām iezīmēm latviešu valodā <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/159.148.162.59" title="Special:Contributions/159.148.162.59">159.148.162.59</a> 09:59, 25 janvārī, 2009 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Beidzot uzdūros grāmatai, kur bija par to zāli, diemžēl pamatīgi iegrābos :( Augstāk esošais lietotājs droši vien jāapbēdina, jo, šķiet, ka jēdziens "pitch accent" latviešu valodā nepastāv kā tāds. Mani novērojumi par intonāciju hierarhisko iedalījumu angļu valodā:</dd></dl> <pre> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intonation_(linguistics)" class="extiw" title="en:Intonation (linguistics)">en:Intonation (linguistics)</a> (runājot par teikumiem, ne vārdiem) / <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_(linguistics)" class="extiw" title="en:Tone (linguistics)">en:Tone (linguistics)</a> —<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_language" class="extiw" title="en:Tonal language">en:Tonal language</a> (visās zilbēs) | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_accent" class="extiw" title="en:Pitch accent">en:Pitch accent</a> (tikai dažreiz) </pre> <p>Un intonācijas hierarhiskais iedalījums latviešu valodā: </p> <pre> Intonācija / Intonācija —Intonācija | Intonācija </pre> <p>Tēzaurā, kur ir digitizēti visi 8 latv. literārās val. vārdn. sējumi (diezgan uzticams avots, manuprāt) pie šķirkļiem "tonis" un "tonalitāte", nav minēts nekas saistīts ar valodniecību, kas noved pie secinājuma, ka, piem., ķīniešu valodu klasificēšana par "tonālām" ir... <i>original research</i> - adaptācija no angļu Vikipēdijas. Ja ir interese palasīt neformālus viedokļus par instrumentāļa neesamību LV valodā un pitch accent jēdziena neesamību :D - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:T-XdlhOXS2UJ:klab.lv/users/krii/1004389.html%3Fthread%3D8557413+pitch+accent&cd=5&hl=lv&ct=clnk&gl=lv&lr=lang_lv">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:T-XdlhOXS2UJ:klab.lv/users/krii/1004389.html%3Fthread%3D8557413+pitch+accent&cd=5&hl=lv&ct=clnk&gl=lv&lr=lang_lv</a> <a href="/wiki/Dal%C4%ABbnieks:Samarkandas_valdnieks" title="Dalībnieks:Samarkandas valdnieks">SV</a> 22:43, 1 novembrī, 2011 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Izdarīts</b>. 3 angļu valodas terminus (<i>pitch</i>, <i>tone</i> un <i>intonation</i>) var +/- nošķirt 2 latviešu valodas kategorijās "zilbes intonācija" (<i>pitch</i>/<i>tone</i>) un "teikuma intonācija" (<i>intonation</i>). Abiem ir ieraksti akad. term. datubāzē, lai gan tikai <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://termini.lza.lv/term.php?term=zilbes%20inton%C4%81cija&list=inton%C4%81cija&lang=LV">zilbes intonācijai</a> ir skaidrojums (teikuma intonācijai nav, bet ieraksts tik un tā ir, tātad leģitīms termins).</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Vienīgā problēma, kas paliek uz šo brīdi ir, ka akad. term db iekļautā <i>Valodniecības terminu skaidrojošā vārdnīca</i> sajauc nelielā putrā vairāku diakritisko zīmju nosaukumus, piemēram, mistiskā kārtā viņi ir izdomājuši pārsaukt tildi (~) virs patskaņa par cirkumfleksu (^), kaut arī tilde ir tilde, un tad cirkumfleksu viņi ir nosaukuši par "jumtiņu" kaut arī šis nosaukums bieži tiek izmantots, lai atsauktos uz "kāronu" (<a href="/wiki/%C5%A0" title="Š">š</a>, <a href="/wiki/%C5%BD" title="Ž">ž</a>, <a href="/wiki/%C4%8C" title="Č">č</a> utt.), kāronu savukārt viņi ir nosaukuši par "apgrieztu jumtiņu". Vārdsak., diezgan lielas neskaidrības, bet pat visrespektablākajās enciklopēdijās ir daudz kļūdu, tāpēc tāda lieta gadās un tildi virs patskaņa es tā arī saucu par "tildi" un neņēmos viņu pārdēvēt par "cirkumfleksu". <a href="/wiki/Dal%C4%ABbnieks:Neitr%C4%81ls_v%C4%81rds" title="Dalībnieks:Neitrāls vārds">Neitrāls vārds</a> (<a href="/wiki/Dal%C4%ABbnieka_diskusija:Neitr%C4%81ls_v%C4%81rds" title="Dalībnieka diskusija:Neitrāls vārds">diskusija</a>) 15:34, 30 novembrī, 2013 (EET)</dd></dl>    <div class="ext-discussiontools-emptystate"><div class="ext-discussiontools-emptystate-text"><h3>Sāc diskusiju par Intonācija</h3><div class="plainlinks"><p><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Talk_pages" class="extiw" title="mediawikiwiki:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Talk pages">Diskusiju lapas</a> ir vieta, kur dalībnieki var apspriest to, kā panākt, lai Vikipēdija ir vieta, kur informācija ir visprecīzākā. 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