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<span class="vector-toc-numb">1</span> <span>Pagsasalin sa BetaWiki</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">21 komento</span> <ul id="toc-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reklamo_laban_kay_User:Celester_Mejia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reklamo_laban_kay_User:Celester_Mejia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>Reklamo laban kay User:Celester Mejia</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 (na) komento</span> <ul id="toc-Reklamo_laban_kay_User:Celester_Mejia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Mga_Litrato_Sa_Tagalog_Wikipedia_ng_MariMar" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Mga_Litrato_Sa_Tagalog_Wikipedia_ng_MariMar"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>Mga Litrato Sa Tagalog Wikipedia ng MariMar</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 komento</span> <ul id="toc-Mga_Litrato_Sa_Tagalog_Wikipedia_ng_MariMar-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bagong_suleras" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bagong_suleras"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Bagong suleras</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 komento</span> <ul id="toc-Bagong_suleras-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Katanungan_sa_Infobox" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Katanungan_sa_Infobox"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Katanungan sa Infobox</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 komento</span> <ul id="toc-Katanungan_sa_Infobox-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Katanungan_sa_Kategorya" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Katanungan_sa_Kategorya"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>Katanungan sa Kategorya</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 komento</span> <ul id="toc-Katanungan_sa_Kategorya-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bagong_nominasyon_sa_pagka-Tagapangasiwa" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bagong_nominasyon_sa_pagka-Tagapangasiwa"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Bagong nominasyon sa pagka-Tagapangasiwa</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 komento</span> <ul id="toc-Bagong_nominasyon_sa_pagka-Tagapangasiwa-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Paaralan" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Paaralan"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Paaralan</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 komento</span> <ul id="toc-Paaralan-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Malawakang_pagbura" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Malawakang_pagbura"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Malawakang pagbura</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">27 komento</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Malawakang_pagbura-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Ipakita/Itago ang subseksyon na Malawakang pagbura</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Malawakang_pagbura-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Sang-ayon(1)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sang-ayon(1)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.1</span> <span>Sang-ayon(1)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Sang-ayon(1)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tutol(7)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tutol(7)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.2</span> <span>Tutol(7)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Tutol(7)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Puna" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Puna"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.3</span> <span>Puna</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Puna-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="mw-content-container"> <main id="content" class="mw-body"> <header class="mw-body-header vector-page-titlebar"> <nav aria-label="Mga nilalaman" class="vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-titlebar-toc vector-button-flush-left" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Itago/Ipakita ang talaan ng mga nilalaman" > <label id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-label" for="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-listBullet mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-listBullet"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Itago/Ipakita ang talaan ng mga nilalaman</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> </div> </div> </div> </nav> <h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading mw-first-heading"><span class="mw-page-title-namespace">Wikipedia</span><span class="mw-page-title-separator">:</span><span class="mw-page-title-main">Kapihan/Arkibo 8</span></h1> <div id="p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown mw-portlet mw-portlet-lang" > <input type="checkbox" id="p-lang-btn-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox mw-interlanguage-selector" aria-label="Mayroon lamang ang artikulong ito sa wikang ito. Idagdag ang artikulo sa ibang mga wika" > <label id="p-lang-btn-label" for="p-lang-btn-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--action-progressive mw-portlet-lang-heading-0" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-language-progressive mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-language-progressive"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Magdagdag ng wika</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> <div class="after-portlet after-portlet-lang"><span class="uls-after-portlet-link"></span><span class="wb-langlinks-add wb-langlinks-link"><a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewItem?site=tlwiki&page=Wikipedia%3AKapihan%2FArkibo+8" title="Magdagdag ng mga link sa ibang wika" class="wbc-editpage">Magdagdag ng link</a></span></div> </div> </div> </div> </header> <div class="vector-page-toolbar"> <div class="vector-page-toolbar-container"> <div id="left-navigation"> <nav aria-label="Namespace"> <div id="p-associated-pages" class="vector-menu vector-menu-tabs mw-portlet mw-portlet-associated-pages" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-nstab-project" class="selected vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8" title="Tingnan ang pahina ng proyekto [c]" accesskey="c"><span>Proyekto</span></a></li><li id="ca-talk" class="new vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usapang_Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&redlink=1" rel="discussion" class="new" title="Usapan tungkol sa nilalaman nito (hindi pa naisusulat) [t]" accesskey="t"><span>Usapan</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="vector-variants-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown emptyPortlet" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-variants-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-variants-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Ibahin ang baryante o variant ng wika" > <label id="vector-variants-dropdown-label" for="vector-variants-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Tagalog</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="p-variants" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-variants emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> <div id="right-navigation" class="vector-collapsible"> <nav aria-label="Mga tingin"> <div id="p-views" class="vector-menu vector-menu-tabs mw-portlet mw-portlet-views" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-view" class="selected vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8"><span>Basahin</span></a></li><li id="ca-edit" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit" title="Baguhin ang kodigong batayan ng pahinang ito [e]" accesskey="e"><span>Baguhin ang wikitext</span></a></li><li id="ca-history" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=history" title="Nakaraang pagbabago sa pahinang ito [h]" accesskey="h"><span>Tingnan ang kasaysayan</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Page tools"> <div id="vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-tools-dropdown" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Mga kagamitan" > <label id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-label" for="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Mga kagamitan</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-tools-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> <div id="vector-page-tools" class="vector-page-tools vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-page-tools-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-unpinned" data-feature-name="page-tools-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-page-tools" data-pinned-container-id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-page-tools-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Mga kagamitan</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-page-tools.pin">ilipat sa gilid</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-page-tools.unpin">itago</button> </div> <div id="p-cactions" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-cactions emptyPortlet vector-has-collapsible-items" title="More options" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Mga aksyon </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-more-view" class="selected vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8"><span>Basahin</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-edit" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit" title="Baguhin ang kodigong batayan ng pahinang ito [e]" accesskey="e"><span>Baguhin ang wikitext</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-history" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=history"><span>Tingnan ang kasaysayan</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-tb" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-tb" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Pangkalahatan </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="t-whatlinkshere" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Ano_ang_nakakawing_dito/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8" title="Talaan ng mga pahinang wiking nakaturo rito. [j]" accesskey="j"><span>Mga nakaturo rito</span></a></li><li id="t-recentchangeslinked" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Nakakawing_ng_kamakailang_pagbabago/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8" rel="nofollow" title="Mga huling binago sa mga kaugnay na pahina mula sa pahinang ito [k]" accesskey="k"><span>Kaugnay na pagbabago</span></a></li><li id="t-upload" class="mw-list-item"><a href="//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard?uselang=tl" title="Magkarga ng mga larawan o iba pang midya [u]" accesskey="u"><span>Mag-upload ng file</span></a></li><li id="t-specialpages" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Natatanging_mga_pahina" title="Tala ng mga natatanging pahina [q]" accesskey="q"><span>Natatanging pahina</span></a></li><li id="t-permalink" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&oldid=172909" title="Ibigay ang palagiang kawing para sa kasalukuyang bersyon ng pahinang ito"><span>Permanenteng link</span></a></li><li id="t-info" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=info" title="More information about this page"><span>Impormasyon ng pahina</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Natatangi:UrlShortener&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftl.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3AKapihan%2FArkibo_8"><span>Kumuha ng pinaikling URL</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener-qrcode" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Natatangi:QrCode&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftl.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3AKapihan%2FArkibo_8"><span>I-download ang QR code</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-coll-print_export" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-coll-print_export" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> I-print/I-export </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="coll-create_a_book" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Natatangi:Aklat&bookcmd=book_creator&referer=Wikipedia%3AKapihan%2FArkibo+8"><span>Lumikha ng isang aklat</span></a></li><li id="coll-download-as-rl" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Natatangi:DownloadAsPdf&page=Wikipedia%3AKapihan%2FArkibo_8&action=show-download-screen"><span>I-download bilang PDF</span></a></li><li id="t-print" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&printable=yes" title="Ipakita ang bersyon ng pahinang itong madaling maililimbag [p]" accesskey="p"><span>Bersyong mapi-print</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-wikibase-otherprojects" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-wikibase-otherprojects emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Sa iba pang proyekto </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vector-column-end"> <div class="vector-sticky-pinned-container"> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Page tools"> <div id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-appearance-landmark" aria-label="Itsura"> <div id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> <div id="vector-appearance" class="vector-appearance vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-appearance-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-pinned" data-feature-name="appearance-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-appearance" data-pinned-container-id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-appearance-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Itsura</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.pin">ilipat sa gilid</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.unpin">itago</button> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div id="bodyContent" class="vector-body" aria-labelledby="firstHeading" data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">Mula sa Wikipedia, ang malayang ensiklopedya</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"><div class="subpages">< <bdi dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan" title="Wikipedia:Kapihan">Wikipedia:Kapihan</a></bdi></div></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="tl" dir="ltr"><table class="messagebox"> <tbody><tr> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Talaksan:Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Archive"><img alt="Archive" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/50px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/75px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/100px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a></span> </td> <td>Isang <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:ARCHIVE" class="extiw" title="en:WP:ARCHIVE">arkibo</a></i> ang pahinang ito. <b>Paki-usap, <u>huwag</u> baguhin ang nilalaman nito.</b>. Ilagay ang mga bagong komento sa <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan" title="Wikipedia:Kapihan">kasalukuyang pahina ng usapan</a>. </td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"></span>Pagsasalin sa BetaWiki<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section's source code: Pagsasalin sa BetaWiki"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki"></span>(Dahil kumplikado ang mensahe, ang mensaheng ito ay nasa Ingles. Maaaring mag-iwan ng komento sa Tagalog kung nais niyo.) </p><p>In an attempt to unify the various Tagalog translations used on all current and future Wikimedia projects, I decided to start translating on BetaWiki. So far, 369 messages (and counting) have been successfully translated. However, there are a few discrepancies with regard to translation, as well as a lot of changes, so take note carefully: </p> <ul><li>English translations have been completely eliminated. This means that the BetaWiki translation for "Upload file" is <i>Magkarga ng talaksan</i> and not <i>Magkarga ng talaksan (file)</i>. Those having difficulty in understanding can be referred to a glossary of terms that we can make as a help page.</li> <li>Translations taken from both the Tagalog Wikipedia and the Tagalog Wiktionary, the two Wikimedia projects with the most complete Tagalog translations for their interfaces, will be used. Both sets of registers will be merged, resulting in a unified translation. However, this will mean that some messages will be changed when the other is used, or it will result in a completely new message.</li> <li>New technical terms will be introduced. Unless we reconcile with the Philippine free-software community about technical terms, some terms are not just grammatically but also lexically and conceptually incorrect, and as such will be replaced with the following terms: <ul><li>Database: <i>talaan</i> (table, Debian translation) has been replaced with <i>kalipunan ng datos</i> ("data repository", see Spanish <i>base de datos</i>). A database is not a mere table of information, but it is a repository of easily-accessible information.h <ul><li>From this, you can get <i>aliping kalipunan ng datos</i> (database slave) and <i>pinunong kalipunan ng datos</i> (database master)</li></ul></li> <li>Install: <i>iluklok</i> (install as in "Iniluklok si Arroyo bilang pangulo") has been replaced with <i>instala</i> (Spanish, install as in "Nag-instala kami ng mga ilaw"). See the <i>English-Tagalog Dictionary</i> (Fr. English).</li> <li>Cache: <i>baunan</i> (Sagalongos). Derived from this is <i>ibaon</i> (to cache).</li> <li>Browse: <i>basa-basahin</i> (Fr. English). Derived from this is <i>pambasa-basa</i> (browser, so "pambasa-basang Internet" would be "Internet browser"). Unless you want <i>nabigador</i> (Spanish-derived).</li> <li>Server: <i>serbidor</i> (Fr. English)</li> <li>Cookie: <i>kuki</i> (Sagalongos)</li> <li>IP address: <i>direksyong IP</i> (Spanish-derived)</li></ul></li></ul> <p>If you have any additions or suggestions, please say them! --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Sky_Harbor" title="Tagagamit:Sky Harbor"><font color="#0066ff"><b>Sky Harbor</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 5 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-05T09:14:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"></span>Mabuting pagsasalin! <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-05T09:14:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 5 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-05T09:14:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-05T09:14:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"></span>Para sa bagong teknikal na mga termino, kailangan nating magbanggit ng sanggunian. Kung maisasalin pa ito sa mas mauunawaan ng mga ordinaryong nagsasalita ng Tagalog, mas mabuti. Katulad ng salin ng <i>random page</i>, imbis na "artikulong walang-pili" naging "pumili ng alin mang artikulo". Kung masyadong tayong nababahala sa mga teknikal na terminong na naka-panaklong ang salin mula sa Ingles katulad ng "Magkarga ng talaksan (<i>file</i>)", maganda ang gumawa ng glosaryo ngunit kailangang lagi nakikita ang <i>link</i> nito (siguro nakalathala sa <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice" title="MediaWiki:Sitenotice">MediaWiki:Sitenotice</a>). Pero <i>practice</i> na ng ibang mga manunulat ng mga Tagalog ang ilagay sa loob panaklong ang salin mula sa Ingles. Nakita ko ang ganitong istilo sa mga libro ni Zaide. <i>Personally</i>, mas pabor ako sa mga terminong madaling intindihin. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Tagagamit:Jojit fb">Jojit</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Usapang tagagamit:Jojit fb">usapan</a>) <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:51, 7 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-07T11:18:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z"></span>Kahit na, kailangan natin ng konsistensi. Dito lang sa Tagalog Wikipedia ang kaisa-isang Wikipedia na kailangan pa ng Ingles na salin sa interface <b>ng katutubong wika</b>. Hindi ito matatagpuan sa ibang Wikipedia kundi sa dito at baka lang sa ibang mga Wikipedia sa mga wikang Pilipino. Mahiya naman tayo sa ating sarili: tayo ay nagiging biktima ng Taglish na pag-iisip ng sambayanan at ng KWF. Oo, kailangan na madaling gamitin ang Wikipedia para sa mga nagbibisita, pero kailangan pa ba nating tumaliwas sa karaniwan? --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Sky_Harbor" title="Tagagamit:Sky Harbor"><font color="#0066ff"><b>Sky Harbor</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-07T11:18:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 7 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-07T11:18:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-07T11:18:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T03:25:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-07T11:18:00.000Z"></span>Para sa akin, ok lang naman tanggaling ang Ingles na salin at maganda rin naman ang suhestyon mo na lumikha ng isang glosaryo. Nabanggit ko lang ang ibang <i>practice</i> ng ibang manunulat, para lamang ikumpara. Ngunit ganito pa rin dapat ang patakaran sa pagsalin: <ol><li>Kailangang may sanggunian ang teknikal na terminong hindi pamilyar. Hindi dapat tayo mag-imbento ng bagong termino dahil hindi tayo mga eksperto. At kahit pa siguro eksperto tayo, kailangan pa rin magbigay ng sanggunian dahil ganoon din ang ginagawa sa ibang proyekto ng Wikipedia, partikular ang Ingles na Wikipedia. Tingnan <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Verifiability">en:Wikipedia:Verifiability</a>.</li> <li>Kung walang maibigay na sanggunian sa mga hindi pamilyar na mga teknikal na termino, ipapanatili ang Ingles na termino. Sang-ayon po sa KWF, <i>acceptable</i> ang paggamit ng wikang banyaga, kung hindi ito maisasalin sa katutubong wika. Huwag po nating balewalain ang KWF dahil mas may awtoridad sila kaysa sa atin. At isa pa, ito na po ang pangkalahatang kasunduan o <i>consensus</i> dito sa Tagalog Wikipedia, tingnan ang kaso ng <a href="/wiki/Usapan:United_Kingdom" title="Usapan:United Kingdom">United Kingdom</a>.</li> <li>Gumawa ng glosaryo para sa lahat ng teknikal na termino (pamilyar man o hindi) na ginagamit sa <i>system messages</i>. At tiyakin na madaling makita ito ng publiko. Maaaring ilagay ito sa <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice" title="MediaWiki:Sitenotice">MediaWiki:Sitenotice</a>.</li></ol></dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Tagagamit:Jojit fb">Jojit</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Usapang tagagamit:Jojit fb">usapan</a>) <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T03:25:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-07T11:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:25, 8 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T03:25:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-07T11:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T03:25:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-07T11:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-08T10:14:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T03:25:00.000Z"></span>Sa tingin ko ay hindi maipapaganap ang mga batas ng Wikipedya dito, maging ang batas laban sa mga bagong salita. Bakit? Kasi ang mga patakarang iyon ay para lamang sa mga artikulo, at sa tingin ko ay hindi na natin kailangan manangguni dahil mga salita lamang naman iyan na nasa wikang Tagalog (kaya matatagpuan sa mga talasalitaan). Problema nga lamang, totoong naging at nagiging biktima tayo, at, sana hindi, lahat ng mga Pilipino at mananagalog ng kinabukasan ng Komisyon at ng Taglish/Filipino/Englog na patuloy na sumisira sa ating panitikan. Pati na rin ang mga saling Ingles sa tabi ng mga teknikal na salita ay kailangang alisin. At hindi tamang dahilan para sa akin na dahil kakaunti lamang ang nakakaalam ng ganoong kalalalim na salita ay kailangan na nating maglagay ng mga salin, hanggang Tagalog ang salita ay maaari pa rin iyon. Paano na kung sa balang panahon mamatay na nang tuluyan ang wikang Tagalog, ang gagawin ba ng mga Wikipedista ng kinabukasan ay "Wikipedya, ang malayang ensiklopedya (<i>Wikipedia the free encyclopedia</i>)" na ang ating pambungad. Aba siyempre hindi! Bakit ang Latin at Esperanto hindi naman sila gumagamit ng mga saling Ingles kahit gaano pa kaluma, kalalim at kahirap-intindihin and wika, at kakaunti ang nagwiwika. At bilang isang purista, sang-ayon ako sa lahat ng sinabi ni Sky Harbor. Ating tandaan na ito ang <b>Tagalog</b> na Wikipedya hindi ang <i>Taglish Wikipedia, ang freeng encyclopedia</i>. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-08T10:14:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T03:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 8 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-08T10:14:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T03:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-08T10:14:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T03:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T10:57:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-08T10:14:00.000Z"></span>Akala ko ba kailangang <i>consistent</i>, kung ginagamit ang patakaran sa artikulo, dapat gamitin din sa <i>system messages</i>. Ang <i>exception</i> lang siguro ay ang mga pahina ng Usapan. Kailangan talagang may sanggunian, hindi po tayo mga eksperto sa linggwistika. Igalang po natin ang mga totoong dalubhasa. Kung matatapuan sa talasalitaan ang hindi pamilyar na salita, ibigay ang sanggunian sa pahina ng Usapan ng MediaWiki <i>namespace</i>. Kapag nagbigay tayo ng mga bagong salita na walang sanggunian, ito'y <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:No original research">original research</a></i>. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Tagagamit:Jojit fb">Jojit</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Usapang tagagamit:Jojit fb">usapan</a>) <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T10:57:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-08T10:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 8 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T10:57:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-08T10:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T10:57:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-08T10:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T11:44:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T10:57:00.000Z"></span>Sana naman mareresolbahan ito. Totoo na dapat umiiwas tayo sa mga neolohismo at may sapat na sanggunian ang mga salitang ginagamit, na dapat madaling gamitin ang Wikipedia, at dapat may konsistensi tayo sa ibang mga Wikipedia. Pero dapat rin na kailangan nating panatilihin ang kalinisan ng Tagalog. Maaari man na magbago ang Tagalog, pero hindi ito magbabago kapag salat pa rin ang Tagalog sa mga salitang teknikal. Bakit kaya tayo'y nilipasan ng Malay at Indones sa kaalaman ng wika? Sana makakapagusap tayo sa isang taga-KWF tungkol dito. Pero naman, nakakahiya mula sa kanila kung sila'y nagbigay-suhestiyon na gamitin ang Taglish. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Sky_Harbor" title="Tagagamit:Sky Harbor"><font color="#0066ff"><b>Sky Harbor</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T11:44:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 8 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T11:44:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T10:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T11:44:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T10:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T12:02:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T11:44:00.000Z"></span>Ito ang tinutukoy ko na sinabi ng KWF tungkol sa mga pagbaybay ng hiram na salitang teknikal: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://wika.pbwiki.com/f/ORTOPDF.pdf">http://wika.pbwiki.com/f/ORTOPDF.pdf</a>. Tingnan ang nakasaad sa pahina 12, Seksyon B.1. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Tagagamit:Jojit fb">Jojit</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Usapang tagagamit:Jojit fb">usapan</a>) <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T12:02:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 8 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T12:02:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T11:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T12:02:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T11:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T12:02:00.000Z"></span>Sa anong wika? Nakakahiya naman na ginagawang pormal ng KWF ang Taglish. At iyan ay isang mungkahi sa palabaybayan na hindi pa natutupad ngayon. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Sky_Harbor" title="Tagagamit:Sky Harbor"><font color="#0066ff"><b>Sky Harbor</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T12:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 8 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T12:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-08T12:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-09T00:27:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z"></span>Sa kahit anumang wika. Kung teknikal na termino, madalas ang paghiram sa wikang Ingles. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Tagagamit:Jojit fb">Jojit</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Usapang tagagamit:Jojit fb">usapan</a>) <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-09T00:27:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 9 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-09T00:27:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-09T00:27:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-09T06:32:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z"></span>Marahil hindi pa napapatupad ang ortograpiyang iyan ngunit ito'y bunga ng konsultasyon sa iba't ibang sektor katulad ng mga guro at dalubhasa sa wika. (Sabi yan dito: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://wika.pbwiki.com/KWF%20Komisyon%20sa%20Wikang%20Filipino">http://wika.pbwiki.com/KWF%20Komisyon%20sa%20Wikang%20Filipino</a> .) Samakatuwid, mabisang patakaran ito dahil maraming kasangkot na eksperto dito. At sabi rin doon na matatapos ang pinal na bersyon pagkatapos ng 2007. 2008 na ngayon, malamang may pinal na bersyon at naipapatupad na ito. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Tagagamit:Jojit fb">Jojit</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Usapang tagagamit:Jojit fb">usapan</a>) <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-09T06:32:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:32, 9 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-09T06:32:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-09T06:32:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-08T12:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Squalluto-2008-01-20T10:00:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z"></span>Magandang Araw! makikisawsaw po. :D Ang aking mungkahi lamang po ay gamitin ang orihinal na salita kung ito ay teknikal tulad ng "Cache"...ang iba naman ay gamitin ang masAngkop na salita tulad ng sa "Install",masmainam pong gamitin ang "ikabit" o "ipasok" kaysa sa salitang "instala" na sa unang basa pa lamang ay si Judy Ann ang unang pumasok sa aking isipan. :D Salamat po! <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Squalluto" title="Tagagamit:Squalluto">Squalluto</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Squalluto-2008-01-20T10:00:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 20 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Squalluto-2008-01-20T10:00:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Squalluto-2008-01-20T10:00:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z"></span>Huwag sundin ang patakaran ng KWF dahil iyon ay para sa Filipino at hindi sa Tagalog. Kung susundin ang patakaran ng KWF, mababawasan ang mga mananalita ng Tagalog. Lumalabas na Filipino ang salita ng mga Tagalog dahil pinipili nila ito sa halip na Tagalog. (<---Nakarinig ka na ba ng ganitong klase ng Tagalog sa kalye, paaralan, media atbp.? Hindi ganitong Tagalog ang maririnig mo kundi ang mas natural na klase nito, Filipino.) <dl><dd>Una sa lahat, ang KWF ay hindi lamang para sa wikang Filipino. Nilikha ang komisyon para din sa iba't ibang wika sa Pilipinas. Ngunit maliban sa puntong iyon, kung mayroon kang maibibigay na dokumento tungkol sa <b>opisyal</b> na Ortograpiyang Tagalog na ginawa ng mga dalubhasa sa wika, maaari nating gamitin iyon. Kung wala, kailangan natin sundin ang Ortograpiyang Filipino ng KWF dahil unibersal ang sakop nito (i.e. nalalapat sa lahat ng wika sa Pilipinas) at ginawa ng mga eksperto. Tandaan na maraming Ortograpiya ang Tagalog, hahanapin natin iyong <b>opisyal</b>. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Tagagamit:Jojit fb">Jojit</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Usapang tagagamit:Jojit fb">usapan</a>) <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:20, 22 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-07T02:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-22T10:39:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z"></span>Parang masyado naman nating pinagdidiinan ang salitang "Opisyal". Gusto ko lang pong ipaalala na ang wika ay hindi batay sa mga sinasabi ng mga lingwistiko kundi sa totoong binibigkas ng mga nagwiwika nito. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-22T10:39:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 22 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-22T10:39:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-22T10:39:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T11:42:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-22T10:39:00.000Z"></span>Kailangan kasi <b>opisyal</b> dahil kundi opisyal, hindi tayo magkakasundo kung ano ang dapat na <i>standard</i> o pamantayan na gamiting ortograpiya. At kung aasa lamang tayo sa mga likas na tagapagsalita, hindi tayo makakabuo ng gabay o patakaran para sa ortograpiya dito sa Tagalog na Wikipedia dahil iba't iba ang palabaybayan ng mga likas na tagapagsalita ng Tagalog. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Tagagamit:Jojit fb">Jojit</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Usapang tagagamit:Jojit fb">usapan</a>) <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T11:42:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-22T10:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 22 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T11:42:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-22T10:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T11:42:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-22T10:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Squalluto-2008-01-23T05:03:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z"></span>Nakasawsaw na rin naman ako...tama po si Jojit...dahil kung hindi opisyal ang ginagamit nating wika o ortograpiya,hindi na ito isang wikipedya ng Filipino/Tagalog...dahil lahat ay maaari nang gumawa ng sarili nilang wika,sariling wikang pinoy o kung anumang wika ang kanilang mabubuo...Sundin na lamang ang opisyal na patakaran dahil ito ang giginhawa sa buhay ng mga manunulat. Kung hindi tayo maninindigan sa opisyal na patakaran..parang sinabi na rin nating hindi ang BATAS ang magsasabi kung MALI ang magkaroon ng kabit kundi ang siyang nangangabit at kinakabitan. :D hehehe. <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Squalluto" title="Tagagamit:Squalluto">Squalluto</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Squalluto-2008-01-23T05:03:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:03, 23 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Squalluto-2008-01-23T05:03:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Squalluto-2008-01-23T05:03:00.000Z-Jojit_fb-2008-01-22T02:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-23T10:42:00.000Z-Squalluto-2008-01-23T05:03:00.000Z"></span>Magandang halimbawa! Parang ang gusto ko lamang sabihin ay hindi kailanman nangangailangan ng isang batas upang ipagbawal ang pagpatay, likas na sa tao para isipin na masama ito. Parang sa Tagalog, hindi na nangangangailangan ng mga batas upang sabihin na tama ang "Siya ay naglalakad.", at mali ang "Sina ay nangalakadan." dahil sapat na para sa isang Tagalog upang malaman ito. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-23T10:42:00.000Z-Squalluto-2008-01-23T05:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 23 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-23T10:42:00.000Z-Squalluto-2008-01-23T05:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-23T10:42:00.000Z-Squalluto-2008-01-23T05:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-26T04:14:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"></span>Iluklok ba talaga o instala? Sa tingin ko ay mas mabuti kung iluklok at mas katutubo pa. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-26T04:14:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:14, 26 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-26T04:14:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-26T04:14:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-26T08:34:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"></span>Sa "<i>feed</i>" din ay wala tayong salin, mayroon ba kayong mga mungkahi? Ito iyong <i>feed</i> sa "<i>RSS Feed</i>" at "<i>Atom Feed</i>". <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-26T08:34:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 26 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-26T08:34:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-26T08:34:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-05T03:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-02-08T12:15:00.000Z-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki"></span>(Indent reset) Hindi ako natutuwa sa mga salin ni Felipe Aira. Sa kanyang "simplipikasyon" ng mga salin, pati na ang tuntunin ng balarila ay binabaliwala! Mas grabe pa ito sa mga kasalukuyang saling matatagpuan dito. Linilinis ko na ito. Kailangan natin rin ng konsultasyon sa mga dalubhasa tungkol sa balarila. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Sky_Harbor" title="Tagagamit:Sky Harbor"><font color="#0066ff"><b>Sky Harbor</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Sky_Harbor-2008-02-08T12:15:00.000Z-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 8 Pebrero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-02-08T12:15:00.000Z-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-02-08T12:15:00.000Z-Pagsasalin_sa_BetaWiki"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reklamo_laban_kay_User:Celester_Mejia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reklamo_laban_kay_User:Celester_Mejia-2008-01-05T14:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reklamo_laban_kay_User:Celester_Mejia-2008-01-05T14:50:00.000Z"></span>Reklamo laban kay <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Celester_Mejia" class="mw-redirect" title="Tagagamit:Celester Mejia">User:Celester Mejia</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reklamo_laban_kay_User:Celester_Mejia-2008-01-05T14:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section's source code: Reklamo laban kay User:Celester Mejia"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starczamora-2008-01-05T14:50:00.000Z-Reklamo_laban_kay_User:Celester_Mejia"></span>Nag-ambag siya sa <a href="/wiki/Pinoy_Idol" title="Pinoy Idol">Pinoy Idol</a>, ngunit marami siyang maling ginawa: </p> <ul><li>Naglagay siya ng interwiki na Indones, kahit na wala pang artikulo ukol dito.</li> <li>Naglagay siya ng template para sa "Napiling Artikulo" nang walang nominasyon at konsenso.</li></ul> <p>Maidagdag ko rin na marami rin siyang mali-maling pag-ambag sa Inggles na bersyon ng nasabing artikulo, na siyang binago ko na't inireklamo na rin sa WP Tambayan. Nais ko lamang pong malaman kung ano po ang nararapat nating gawin ukol dito. Salamat. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Tagagamit:Starczamora&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Tagagamit:Starczamora (hindi pa naisusulat)">Starczamora</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Starczamora-2008-01-05T14:50:00.000Z-Reklamo_laban_kay_User:Celester_Mejia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 5 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starczamora-2008-01-05T14:50:00.000Z-Reklamo_laban_kay_User:Celester_Mejia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starczamora-2008-01-05T14:50:00.000Z-Reklamo_laban_kay_User:Celester_Mejia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T01:02:00.000Z-Starczamora-2008-01-05T14:50:00.000Z"></span>Makhang mabuti naman ang kanyang mga binago sa mga artikulo, maliban na lamang ang pagdaragdag ng {{<a href="/wiki/Padron:Napiling_artikulo" title="Padron:Napiling artikulo">napiling artikulo</a>}}. Inalis niya naman ang suleras na ito sa <a href="/wiki/Mau_Marcelo" title="Mau Marcelo">Mau Marcelo</a>. 'Di bale hindi niya naman kailangan ng harang, sana, at mukhang makakausap pa nang maayos. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T01:02:00.000Z-Starczamora-2008-01-05T14:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 6 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T01:02:00.000Z-Starczamora-2008-01-05T14:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T01:02:00.000Z-Starczamora-2008-01-05T14:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starczamora-2008-01-06T10:56:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T01:02:00.000Z"></span>Nawa'y hindi na niya ulitin ang walang-habas na <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:VANDAL" class="extiw" title="en:WP:VANDAL">bandalismo</a> upang hindi siya mabigyan ng <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WARN" class="extiw" title="en:WP:WARN">babala</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Tagagamit:Starczamora&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Tagagamit:Starczamora (hindi pa naisusulat)">Starczamora</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Starczamora-2008-01-06T10:56:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T01:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:56, 6 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starczamora-2008-01-06T10:56:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T01:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starczamora-2008-01-06T10:56:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T01:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T11:43:00.000Z-Starczamora-2008-01-06T10:56:00.000Z"></span>Hindi na. Ang akala ko lamang naman noong una ay magiging nominado sa mga Napiling Artikulo ang aking ginawa kapag nilagay ko ang -Featured Article- sa aking ginawa. Nang kinopya ko yun sa artikulo ni Mau Marcelo, hindi ko sinasadyang mapindot ang (BAGUDHIN) at yun na nga. Pasensya na. <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Celester_Mejia" class="mw-redirect" title="Tagagamit:Celester Mejia">Celester Mejia</a> 21: 42, 6 Enero 2008 (UTC) <dl><dd>Kung hangad mong magharap (<i>nominate</i>) ng isang artikulo para ito ay maging isa Napiling Artikulo, maaari mong iharap ang artikulo rito: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Mga_nominasyon_para_sa_Napiling_Artikulo_at_Larawan" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Mga nominasyon para sa Napiling Artikulo at Larawan">Wikipedia:Mga nominasyon para sa Napiling Artikulo at Larawan</a>. Kung mayroon ka pang iba mga tanong maaari mo akong tanungin nang personal sa aking usapan. (pindutin yung "Aira" sa aking lagda) <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T11:43:00.000Z-Starczamora-2008-01-06T10:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:43, 6 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T11:43:00.000Z-Starczamora-2008-01-06T10:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T11:43:00.000Z-Starczamora-2008-01-06T10:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mga_Litrato_Sa_Tagalog_Wikipedia_ng_MariMar" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mga_Litrato_Sa_Tagalog_Wikipedia_ng_MariMar-2008-01-06T09:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mga_Litrato_Sa_Tagalog_Wikipedia_ng_MariMar-2008-01-06T09:13:00.000Z"></span>Mga Litrato Sa Tagalog Wikipedia ng MariMar<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mga_Litrato_Sa_Tagalog_Wikipedia_ng_MariMar-2008-01-06T09:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section's source code: Mga Litrato Sa Tagalog Wikipedia ng MariMar"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:13:00.000Z-Mga_Litrato_Sa_Tagalog_Wikipedia_ng_MariMar"></span>Ako po ang nag-ambag ng mga larawan nakasaad sa Tagalog Wikipedia ng MariMar. Hindi ko po alam kung paano mabago ang lisensya ng paggamit ng litrato ng hindi ito nabubura. Paano ko ito mababago, kasama na ang pagbago ng gamit ng larawan. Salamat. <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Celester_Mejia" class="mw-redirect" title="Tagagamit:Celester Mejia">Celester Mejia</a> 14:09, 6 Enero 2008 </p> <dl><dd>Kung gusto mo ako na lamang ang magbabago. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:13:00.000Z-Mga_Litrato_Sa_Tagalog_Wikipedia_ng_MariMar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:13, 6 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:13:00.000Z-Mga_Litrato_Sa_Tagalog_Wikipedia_ng_MariMar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:13:00.000Z-Mga_Litrato_Sa_Tagalog_Wikipedia_ng_MariMar"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:52:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:13:00.000Z"></span>Pinalitan ko na. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:52:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:52, 6 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:52:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:52:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-06T09:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd>Salamat! (ö,) <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Celester_Mejia" class="mw-redirect" title="Tagagamit:Celester Mejia">Celester Mejia</a> 20:45, 6 Enero 2008</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bagong_suleras" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bagong_suleras-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bagong_suleras-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z"></span>Bagong suleras<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bagong_suleras-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section's source code: Bagong suleras"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z-Bagong_suleras"></span>Mga tagapangasiwa mayroon pangkat (kategorya) na sa tingin ko ay dapat iragdag sa inyong mga binabantayan: <a href="/wiki/Kategorya:Mga_pahinang_minungkahing_burahin" title="Kategorya:Mga pahinang minungkahing burahin">category:Mga pahinang minungkahing burahin</a> </p><p>Ay oo nga pala hindi lamang ga tagapangasiwa ang inaanyayahan ko. Lahat kayo! Parang <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AfD" class="extiw" title="en:WP:AfD">en:WP:AfD</a> ang magiging halaga nito. Kaya please! Kung maaari lamang ay mabura na ang mga iyon dahil sa tingin ko ay kailangan na. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z-Bagong_suleras" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 13 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z-Bagong_suleras"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z-Bagong_suleras"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Katanungan_sa_Infobox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Katanungan_sa_Infobox-2008-01-11T12:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Katanungan_sa_Infobox-2008-01-11T12:33:00.000Z"></span>Katanungan sa Infobox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Katanungan_sa_Infobox-2008-01-11T12:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section's source code: Katanungan sa Infobox"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:33:00.000Z-Katanungan_sa_Infobox"></span>Gumawa ako ng infobox para sa artikulo ng <a href="/wiki/Haribon" title="Haribon">Haribon</a> ngunit hindi lumalabas ang litrato ng agila. Binalik ko na lamang sa "Hidden comment" ang taxobox_image na parte ng taxobox. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Tagagamit:Lenticel">Lenticel</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:33:00.000Z-Katanungan_sa_Infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:33, 11 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:33:00.000Z-Katanungan_sa_Infobox"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:33:00.000Z-Katanungan_sa_Infobox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-11T12:37:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:33:00.000Z"></span>Inayos ko na ang problema. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-11T12:37:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 11 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-11T12:37:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-11T12:37:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:54:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-11T12:37:00.000Z"></span>Salamat sa mabilis na pag-aksyon--<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Tagagamit:Lenticel">Lenticel</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:54:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-11T12:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 11 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:54:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-11T12:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-2008-01-11T12:54:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-11T12:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Katanungan_sa_Kategorya" data-mw-thread-id="h-Katanungan_sa_Kategorya-2008-01-12T22:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Katanungan_sa_Kategorya-2008-01-12T22:52:00.000Z"></span>Katanungan sa Kategorya<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Katanungan_sa_Kategorya-2008-01-12T22:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section's source code: Katanungan sa Kategorya"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-12T22:52:00.000Z-Katanungan_sa_Kategorya"></span>gumawa ako ng kategoryang "Category:Mga karakter ng Marvel Comics". Naging sub-kategorya ito ng "Category:Mga karakter" ngunit hindi ng "Category:Komiks". Pareho ko namang inilagay sa pahina ng "Category:Mga karakter ng Marvel Comics" ang parehong kategorya.--<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Tagagamit:Lenticel">Lenticel</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Lenticel-2008-01-12T22:52:00.000Z-Katanungan_sa_Kategorya" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 12 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-12T22:52:00.000Z-Katanungan_sa_Kategorya"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-2008-01-12T22:52:00.000Z-Katanungan_sa_Kategorya"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T07:54:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-12T22:52:00.000Z"></span>Inayos ko na rin. Ang ginawa ko ay nilagyan ko nito. [[Category:Komiks|*]] <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T07:54:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-12T22:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 13 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T07:54:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-12T22:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T07:54:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-12T22:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-14T00:06:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T07:54:00.000Z"></span>Salamat muli. Marami talagang kailangang ayusin sa Wikipedya na ito.--<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; background: white; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Usapang tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">usapan</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Lenticel-2008-01-14T00:06:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T07:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 14 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-14T00:06:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T07:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-2008-01-14T00:06:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T07:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bagong_nominasyon_sa_pagka-Tagapangasiwa" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bagong_nominasyon_sa_pagka-Tagapangasiwa-2008-01-13T06:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bagong_nominasyon_sa_pagka-Tagapangasiwa-2008-01-13T06:11:00.000Z"></span>Bagong nominasyon sa pagka-Tagapangasiwa<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bagong_nominasyon_sa_pagka-Tagapangasiwa-2008-01-13T06:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section's source code: Bagong nominasyon sa pagka-Tagapangasiwa"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-13T06:11:00.000Z-Bagong_nominasyon_sa_pagka-Tagapangasiwa"></span>Ninomina ni <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Estudyante" title="Tagagamit:Estudyante">Estudyante</a> si <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira">Felipe Aira</a> sa pagka-Tagapangasiwa. Maaaring tingnan ang nominasyon at bumoto <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Nominasyon_para_sa_Tagapangasiwa_ng_Wikipedia_Tagalog" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Nominasyon para sa Tagapangasiwa ng Wikipedia Tagalog">dito</a>. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Sky_Harbor" title="Tagagamit:Sky Harbor"><font color="#0066ff"><b>Sky Harbor</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-13T06:11:00.000Z-Bagong_nominasyon_sa_pagka-Tagapangasiwa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:11, 13 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-13T06:11:00.000Z-Bagong_nominasyon_sa_pagka-Tagapangasiwa"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-13T06:11:00.000Z-Bagong_nominasyon_sa_pagka-Tagapangasiwa"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Paaralan" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paaralan-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paaralan-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z"></span>Paaralan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paaralan-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section's source code: Paaralan"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z-Paaralan"></span>Tingnan niyo itong mga artikulong ito: <a href="/wiki/Mataas_na_Paaralang_Pang-Agham_ng_Marikina" class="mw-redirect" title="Mataas na Paaralang Pang-Agham ng Marikina">Mataas na Paaralang Pang-Agham ng Marikina</a>, <a href="/wiki/Mataas_na_Paaralang_Pang-Agham_ng_Lungsod_Quezon" class="mw-redirect" title="Mataas na Paaralang Pang-Agham ng Lungsod Quezon">Mataas na Paaralang Pang-Agham ng Lungsod Quezon</a> at <a href="/wiki/Mataas_na_Paaralang_Nasyonal_na_Pang-Agham_ng_Rizal" class="mw-redirect" title="Mataas na Paaralang Nasyonal na Pang-Agham ng Rizal">Mataas na Paaralang Nasyonal na Pang-Agham ng Rizal</a>. Pansinin niyong sinasama roon ang isang talaan ng mga guro. Kailangan pa ba nating isama sila? Sa tingin ko hindi, maliban na lamang sa mga opisyales, kasi hindi naman sila tanyag <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Notability" class="extiw" title="en:WP:Notability">en:WP:Notability</a></i>. Kung oo naman na kailangan natin silang isama, isasama ko rin ang isang talaan ng mga guro sa <a href="/wiki/RC" class="mw-redirect" title="RC">RC</a>. Pero talagang sa tingin ko ay hindi. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z-Paaralan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 13 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z-Paaralan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z-Paaralan"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-15T02:23:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z"></span>Dapat tanggalin ang mga listahan ng guro. Hindi sila tanyag at maaari ring mapalitan ng walang pasabi.--<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; background: white; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Usapang tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">usapan</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Lenticel-2008-01-15T02:23:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 15 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-15T02:23:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-2008-01-15T02:23:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-13T11:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-15T06:27:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-15T02:23:00.000Z"></span>Tinanggal ko na maliban sa <a href="/wiki/Mataas_na_Paaralang_Nasyonal_na_Pang-Agham_ng_Rizal" class="mw-redirect" title="Mataas na Paaralang Nasyonal na Pang-Agham ng Rizal">Mataas na Paaralang Nasyonal na Pang-Agham ng Rizal</a>. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Tagagamit:Jojit fb">Jojit</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Usapang tagagamit:Jojit fb">usapan</a>) <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-15T06:27:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-15T02:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 15 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-15T06:27:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-15T02:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-15T06:27:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-15T02:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Malawakang_pagbura" data-mw-thread-id="h-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z"></span>Malawakang pagbura<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section's source code: Malawakang pagbura"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z-Malawakang_pagbura"></span>Kagaya ng mga naunang puna rito, ang dami (bilang) ng ating mga artikulo ay lubha ngang lumaki. Ngunit ang mga "artikulong" bagong ito ay walang kaalamang ibinibigay o <i>useless</i> at pandagdag lamang ng estadistika. Kayo ako <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> 11:54, 17 Enero 2008 (UTC) -- ay nagmumungkahi ng malawakan at mabilisang pagbura sa lahat ng mga artikulong ginawa nina Wikiboost at iba pang manggagamit na gumawa ng mga artikulong kagaya ng mga ginawa niyang isang pangungusap lamang ang laman, na hindi nabago o napahaba matapos ang isang linggo ng pagtatapos ng botohan para sa mungkahing ito. Minumungkahi ko ring itakda ang pagsasara ng usaping ito isang buwan pagkatapos ng araw na ito. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z-Malawakang_pagbura" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 17 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z-Malawakang_pagbura"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z-Malawakang_pagbura"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-18T12:09:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z"></span>Sinabihan ko na ang Tambayan sa Ingles na Wikipedya upang malaman ang opinyon nila.--<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; background: white; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Usapang tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">usapan</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Lenticel-2008-01-18T12:09:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 18 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-18T12:09:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-2008-01-18T12:09:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:40:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-18T12:09:00.000Z"></span>Kung gusto nyong burahin ang mga artikulong ginawa ko, <font color="#CE1126"> <b>sige gawin nyo</b> </font> pero dapat rebyuhin nyo <b>lahat</b> ng artikulong ginawa mula <a href="/wiki/Disyembre" title="Disyembre">Disyembre</a> <a href="/wiki/2003" title="2003">2003</a> at hindi mula noong nagsimula akong sumali sa wikipedia. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Wikiboost" title="Tagagamit:Wikiboost">Wikiboost</a> <dl><dd>Hindi lahat ng tao dito ay sang-ayon o tutol sa malawakang pagbura. Bilang isa sa mga user na gumawa ng mga stubs na ito, dapat ay magsabi ka rin ng iyong kuru-kuro upang maayos natin ang poblemang ito.--<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; background: white; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Usapang tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">usapan</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:40:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-18T12:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:40, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:40:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-18T12:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:40:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-18T12:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Sang-ayon(1)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sang-ayon(1)-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z"><span id="Sang-ayon.281.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sang-ayon(1)-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z"></span>Sang-ayon(1)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sang-ayon(1)-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section's source code: Sang-ayon(1)"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)"></span>Para sa mas mataas na kalidad ng Wikipedya! Nangako rin si Emir na siya ay magbabalik kapag nawala na ang mga artikulong iyon nang kami ay nag<i>chat</i>. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 17 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-17T11:54:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)"></span></li> <li><strike><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-18T01:01:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)"></span>Labis akong sumasaang-ayon sa mungkahing ito. Maari ko na bang simulang ng kategoryang mabilisang pagbura? <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Mananaliksik" title="Tagagamit:Mananaliksik">Mananaliksik</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-18T01:01:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 18 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-18T01:01:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)"></span></strike><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-18T01:01:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li><strike> <li><strike><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emir214-2008-01-18T12:14:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)"></span>Sang-ayon</b> Maibalik ang kalidad ng Wikipedia! (Mahirap mag-isa sa isang krusada.) - <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Emir214" title="Tagagamit:Emir214">Emir214</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Emir214-2008-01-18T12:14:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 18 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a></strike> Tignan sa ilalim.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emir214-2008-01-18T12:14:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emir214-2008-01-18T12:14:00.000Z-Sang-ayon(1)"></span></li></strike></ol><strike><div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Tutol(7)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tutol(7)-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-18T13:40:00.000Z"><span id="Tutol.287.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tutol(7)-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-18T13:40:00.000Z"></span>Tutol(7)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tutol(7)-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-18T13:40:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section's source code: Tutol(7)"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div></strike><strike><dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-58.71.27.88-2008-01-18T13:40:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span>Tutol</b>. Mas mabuti na palawakin ang mga artikulong ito imbes na burahin. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/58.71.27.88" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/58.71.27.88">58.71.27.88</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-58.71.27.88-2008-01-18T13:40:00.000Z-Tutol(7)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 18 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-58.71.27.88-2008-01-18T13:40:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-58.71.27.88-2008-01-18T13:40:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span></dd></dl></strike><strike><ol><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-18T23:36:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span>Tutol</b> Ayon sa itaas. Ito dapat ang pakay ng aking mungkahi sa pag-impruba ng kalidad. Nakakasama hindi lamang sa Wikipedia kundi rin sa mga nag-ambag ng mga artikulong iyon na binabaliwala natin ang kanilang mga kontribusyon. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Sky_Harbor" title="Tagagamit:Sky Harbor"><font color="#0066ff"><b>Sky Harbor</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-18T23:36:00.000Z-Tutol(7)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 18 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-18T23:36:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-18T23:36:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Booster_Gold-2008-01-19T08:34:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span>Ayoko nga</b>. Ang hirap kayang gawin yun. Hindi po ako bot, taong-tao ako. Manual kong pinasok yan. Willing akong i-recategorized ang mga ginawa ko, just like yun sinabi sa akin ni Lenticel at i-improve na rin. -<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Booster_Gold" title="Tagagamit:Booster Gold">Booster Gold</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Booster_Gold-2008-01-19T08:34:00.000Z-Tutol(7)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Booster_Gold-2008-01-19T08:34:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Booster_Gold-2008-01-19T08:34:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Auto007-2008-01-20T01:15:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span>Tutol</b>. Dapat igalang ang kontribusyon ng bawat nilalang. - <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Auto007" title="Tagagamit:Auto007">Auto007</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Auto007-2008-01-20T01:15:00.000Z-Tutol(7)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:15, 20 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Auto007-2008-01-20T01:15:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Auto007-2008-01-20T01:15:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Exec8-2008-01-20T03:16:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span>Tutol</b>. Hindi ko na nagugustuhan ang palakad dito sa Tagalog Wikipedia lalo na nang pinaghihinalaan pa akong si <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Wikiboost" title="Tagagamit:Wikiboost">User:Wikiboost</a> na mahirap patunayan sa pamamagitan lamang ng pasilip sa <i>IP Address</i>. Kung nais nilang simulan ang proyektong ito, ako ay hindi magsasayang ng aking oras para lamang sa paghanap at pagtukoy ng artikulong buburahin. Sila na lang. Mas gusto ko pang palawagin ang mga artikulong nagawa na tulad ng mga kilalang personalidad at kilalang mga lugar sa mundo. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Exec8" title="Tagagamit:Exec8">Exec8</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Exec8-2008-01-20T03:16:00.000Z-Tutol(7)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 20 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Exec8-2008-01-20T03:16:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Exec8-2008-01-20T03:16:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Squalluto-2008-01-20T09:13:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span>Tutol</b>. Sang-ayon ako sa mungkahing palawigin na lamang ang mga artikulo. Nagagawa nila ang pagbubura sa wikipedyang Ingles dahil malaki na ang komunidad...kumbaga kung sakaling may maikling artikulong naiambag,maraming manggagamit ang maaaring magpalawak sa nasabing artikulo sa loob ng kaunting panahon at kung sakaling hindi ito mapalawak,ibig sabihin ay hindi importante ang artikulo. Sa kaso ng ating Tagalog Wikipedya,kakaunti lamang tayo rito kung kaya't subukan na lamang nating palawakin ang mga ito...sa bilis ng ating makakaya. :D <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Squalluto" title="Tagagamit:Squalluto">Squalluto</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Squalluto-2008-01-20T09:13:00.000Z-Tutol(7)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:13, 20 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Squalluto-2008-01-20T09:13:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Squalluto-2008-01-20T09:13:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-24T01:20:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span>Tutol</b>. Siguro nga tamang palawigin na lamang ang mga artikulo, naging batayan ko lamang sa una kong desisyon ay ang mga nakikita ko noong mga artikulong binura/inalis ni <i>Bluemask</i> noong bago-bago pa lang ako dito. Maraming mga artikulo noon ang binura dahil sa kakulangan at iisa lang ang pangungusap ng mga iyon. Palagay ko maganda nga ang mga mungkahi sa ibaba. <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Mananaliksik" title="Tagagamit:Mananaliksik">Mananaliksik</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-24T01:20:00.000Z-Tutol(7)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 24 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-24T01:20:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-24T01:20:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emir214-2008-01-19T11:27:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span>Tutol</b>. Binago ko ang boto ko dahil alam kong hindi magtatagumpay ang malawakang pambura dahil maaari pang palawigin ang mga artikulong ito at isali sa <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Paggawa_at_Pagsasaayos_ng_mga_Artikulo" title="Wikipedia:Paggawa at Pagsasaayos ng mga Artikulo">Wikipedia:Paggawa at Pagsasaayos ng mga Artikulo</a>. Kayo na ang bahala kung gusto niyo o hindi. Iminungkahi ko rin ang aspektong ito kay <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira">User:Felipe Aira</a> sa aming <i>chat</i>:</li></ol></strike><strike><table class="cquote pullquote" role="presentation" style="margin:auto; border-collapse: collapse; border: none; background-color: transparent; width: auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: top; border: none; color: #B2B7F2; font-size: 40px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: left; padding: 10px 10px;">“ </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; border: none; padding: 4px 10px;">Emir (1/17/2008 8:31:15 PM): maaari ring palawakin ang mga artikulong istub at isali sa <a class="external free" href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paggawa_at_Pagsasaayos_ng_mga_Artikulo">http://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paggawa_at_Pagsasaayos_ng_mga_Artikulo</a><i></i> <p><i>Ryan James Tamayo Amparo (1/17/2008 8:37:17 PM): siguro</i> </p> </td> <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: bottom; border: none; color: #B2B7F2; font-size: 40px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: right; padding: 10px 10px;">” </td></tr> </tbody></table></strike><strike><p>- <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Emir214" title="Tagagamit:Emir214">Emir214</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Emir214-2008-01-19T11:27:00.000Z-Tutol(7)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emir214-2008-01-19T11:27:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emir214-2008-01-19T11:27:00.000Z-Tutol(7)"></span> </p></strike><strike><ol><li><dl><dd>Dapat lamang, pero imposible naman yata iyon. Kalahati ng mga artikulo natin ay mga ganoon. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a></dd></dl></li></ol></strike><strike><div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Puna" data-mw-thread-id="h-Puna-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-18T01:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Puna-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-18T01:24:00.000Z"></span>Puna<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Puna-Malawakang_pagbura-2008-01-18T01:24:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section's source code: Puna"><span>baguhin ang wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div></strike><strike><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-18T01:24:00.000Z-Puna"></span>Iniisip ko na masyadong "madali" kung buburahin na lang natin basta-basta ang mga stubs. Oo, makalat at walang kalidad ang mga artikulong ito pero hindi iyon dahilan para magbura. Mungkahi ko ay isang "selective ban" sa mga gumawa ng mga stubs na ito. Dapat silang pagbawalan sa paggawa ng mga bagong artikulo hangga't 50% o higit pang mga dati nilang ginawa na mga artikulo ay walang sanggunian at hindi umaabot sa "Start" o "B" na kalidad. Dapat silang magkaroon ng responsibilidad sa mga ginagawa nila. </p><p>Sa totoo lang hindi ako makapag-ambag ng mabuti (maliban sa mga hindi kaaya-aya na stubs) dito sa tl kasi may poblema ata ang <a href="/wiki/Padron:Cite_news" title="Padron:Cite news">template:cite news</a> at wala tayong <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite_sources" title="Wikipedia:Cite sources">Wikipedia:Cite sources</a> para turuan ang mga user ng wastong pag-ayos ng mga sanggunian ng mga artikulo :(--<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; background: white; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Usapang tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">usapan</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Lenticel-2008-01-18T01:24:00.000Z-Puna" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 18 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-18T01:24:00.000Z-Puna"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-2008-01-18T01:24:00.000Z-Puna"></span> </p><p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-18T02:48:00.000Z-Puna"></span> Bagama't sang-ayon ako sa mas mataas na kalidad ng mga artikulo dito sa Tagalog na Wikipedia, hindi maaaring maging kandidato ng mabilisang pagbura (<i>speedy deletion</i>) ang mga artikulong ginawa ng mga mala-bot na mga tagagamit. Hindi pasado ang mga artikulong ito sa pamantayan ng mabilisang pagbura (tingnan <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">en:Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion</a>). Bilang isang tagapangasiwa, hindi ko binubura ang mga ito dahil sa patakarang iyon. Paano ko nasabing hindi nakapasa? May konteksto at may nilalaman ang mga ito. Mayroong mga ganitong katulad na isang pangungusap na artikulo sa Ingles na Wikipedia (tingnan (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Affcot" class="extiw" title="en:Upper Affcot">en:Upper Affcot</a> o <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myklebostad,_Tjeldsund" class="extiw" title="en:Myklebostad, Tjeldsund">en:Myklebostad, Tjeldsund</a>) na kanilang pinapahintulot. Para maresolba ito, ang pwede nating gawin ay lagyan ng mga <i>notability</i> at <i>unreferenced tags</i> ang mga ito (katulad ng ginawa sa <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walmu" class="extiw" title="en:Walmu">en:Walmu</a> at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Dove,_Suffolk" class="extiw" title="en:River Dove, Suffolk">en:River Dove, Suffolk</a>). O kaya, imbis na mabilisang pagbura, maaaring gamitin ang <a href="/wiki/Padron:Afd" title="Padron:Afd">Template:afd</a>, kung hindi ito papasa sa pagiging <i>notable</i> o kung may <i>significance</i>. Pero kung AFD (<i>articles for deletion</i>), kailangang isa-isa itong pag-usapan kung buburahin at hindi malawakan (halimbawa <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Mga_artikulong_buburahin/Michael_Charleston_Chua" title="Wikipedia:Mga artikulong buburahin/Michael Charleston Chua">Wikipedia:Mga artikulong buburahin/Michael Charleston Chua</a>). --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Tagagamit:Jojit fb">Jojit</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Jojit_fb" title="Usapang tagagamit:Jojit fb">usapan</a>) <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-18T02:48:00.000Z-Puna" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 18 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-18T02:48:00.000Z-Puna"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jojit_fb-2008-01-18T02:48:00.000Z-Puna"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z-Puna"></span>Tama ba itong aking pagkakaalam (medyo may katagalan na kasi akong hindi nakakapaglagda dito sa Wikipedia) na sa <i>Ingles</i> na bersyon nito ay binubura agad nila ang mga pahina/artikulo na kulang o hindi sapat ang dami ng pangkabatirang nakasulat dito. Pakipayuhan ako. Salamat. <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Mananaliksik" title="Tagagamit:Mananaliksik">Mananaliksik</a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z-Puna" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z-Puna"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z-Puna"></span> </p></strike><strike><dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T02:56:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z"></span>Sagot kay Jojit</b> Malamang hindi ito <i>eligible</i> para sa mabilisang pagbura (ngunit naniniwala akong ang mga ito ay totoong mga kandidato sa mabilisang pagbura), pero maging <i>eligible</i> man o hindi kung makapagbibigay ng sang-ayunan ang mungkahing ito burahin nang malawakan ang mga artikulong iyon ay maaari nang gawin iyon, at isawalambahala ang mga patakaran. Ito ay dahil ang pamayanan naman ang mayroong hangad nito, at para ito sa interes ng pamayanan. Dahil sa tingin ko ay mas malakas ang awtoridad at kapangyarihan ng pamayanan kaysa sa mga batas na mismong ang pamayanan ang may-akda. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T02:56:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T02:56:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T02:56:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T02:56:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z-1"></span>Sagot kay Mananaliksik</b> Oo nga sa tingin ko ay buburahin nga ng mga Wikipedistang Ingles ang mga artikulong iyon kung ito ay nangyari sa kanilang wiki. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T02:56:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T02:56:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T02:56:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z-1"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T03:33:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z"></span>Sagot kay Lenticel</b> <i>Selective ban</i> ba? Ang magiging batayan ng isang pagbabawal (<i>ban</i>) ay kung gumagawa sila ng malakang bandalismong sa tingin ko ay totoong ginagawa nila. Kaya kung pagbabawalan natin sila nangangahulugan lamang iyong ang mga gawa nila ay bandalismo at dahil bandlismo ang mga ito kailangan itong burahin. 'Di ba? <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T03:33:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:33, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T03:33:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T03:33:00.000Z-Mananaliksik-2008-01-19T01:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T03:33:00.000Z"></span>Ayon sa Ingles na depinisyon ng partial ban o sa aking bersyon ay selective ban: <i>partial bans are sometimes used when a user's disruptive activities are limited to a specific page or subject matter.</i> Sabi lamang dito ay disruptive, hindi bandalsimo. Minsan, may mga editor na nagsusulat sa wikipedia "in good faith" ngunit talagang nakakasama sa proyekto, yun ang "disruptive". Sa mga users na gusto lamang manggulo, yun ang tinatawag na bandalismo. Ang mga nagparami ng artikulo sa Tagalog wikipedia ay maari nating tawaging disruptive at hindi vandals. Ang ban ay itatakda upang hindi na sila gumawa ng bagong mga isang artikulo (at dumagdag pa sa poblemang hinaharap natin ngayon) at mag-ayos na lang ng mga dating artikulo.--<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; background: white; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Usapang tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">usapan</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T03:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:38, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T03:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T03:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T08:22:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z"></span>Ang kailangan natin intindihin dito ay <b>lahat ng mga ambag sa Wikipedia ay may balididad hangga't ito'y itinuring na wala</b>. Ano kaya ang pakay ng mungkahi na ito? May insentibo ba ang mga may-akda ng mga artikulong iyon na imprubahin ang kanilang mga artikulo kung ito ang ginagawa natin: na binabaliwala natin ang mga ambag nina Wikiboost atbp.? Ano ba ang insentibo sa kanila na puwersahan nating pinapabago ang kanilang mga artikulo at magkaroon ng mas mataas na pananagutan sa kanilang mga artikulong inilikha? Paano ba silang magbabago ng kanilang mga artikulo kung tayo man, sa botohang ito, ay may-sala rin sa 'di pagbibigay-halaga sa kalidad imbis sa kantidad? Hindi lang sina Wikiboost atbp. ang may-sala dito, kundi lahat tayo. Nawawala lamang ang diwa ng Wikipedia sa botohang ito. Respetuhin naman natin ang mga ambag nila. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Sky_Harbor" title="Tagagamit:Sky Harbor"><font color="#0066ff"><b>Sky Harbor</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T08:22:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T08:22:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T08:22:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem" class="extiw" title="en:Ad hominem"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T08:52:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T08:22:00.000Z"></span>ad hominem</a> yang mungkahi mo Sky. Hindi ibig sabihin na dahil hindi maganda ang mga edits natin ay wala na tayong karapatang magpuna ng pagkakamali ng iba. Ang mungkahi kong ban ay hindi upang parusahan sina Wikiboost atbp ngunit pampigil sa mga bagong artikulo na magdadagdag lang ng poblema. Tungkol naman sa insentibo, wala naman talagang insentibo ang kahit sinong Wikipedista dito (wala namang sisikat sa atin dahil sa Wiki at hindi rin naman ako magkakahanap ng kasintahan dito). Ang mungkahi kong ban ay makatutulong din sa mga nagparami ng mga artikulo na maintindihan ang kalagayan ng mga nagpapaunlad ng kalidad ng mga artikulo.--<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; background: white; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Usapang tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">usapan</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T08:52:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T08:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T08:52:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T08:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T08:52:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T08:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T09:22:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T08:52:00.000Z"></span>Ang mungkahi ko (na nasa itaas) ay <i>ad hominem</i>? Baka komento ko. Pero, kahit na. Ang ibig kong sabihin sa insentibo ay may insentibo ba silang magbago (o bumalik sa Wikipedia, kung ganun) kung parang panig nila ay sila'y pinaparusahan at parang binabaliwala ang kanilang mga ambag. Tingnan naman natin ang ito mula sa haka-haka nila. Kung ako ay mamimimili ng anumang kontrobersiya sa anumang Wikipedia na nag-abot ng ganitong baitang, pipiliin ko ang pagharang kay Emir214 sa Wikipediang Ingles. Gulo na nga ang problema, at ngayon, may kaguluhan na tungkol sa mungkahing ito. Anong solusyon ba ang bubunga ba sa pagbura ng mga artikulo nila? Wala! Tingnan mo nga ang sagot ni Wikiboost: parang nais na niyang umalis pagkatapos burahin ang kanyang mga ambag. Kaya nasaan ang insentibo na baguhin ang kanilang mga inilikha kung ang tingin nila ay parang tinatratuhan sila nang wala ng pamayanan? Kahit kung ako'y tumututol sa mungkahi ni Felipe Aira, nais ko pa rin maging tagapamagitan ng mga mag-aaway na kampo dito. --<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Sky_Harbor" title="Tagagamit:Sky Harbor"><font color="#0066ff"><b>Sky Harbor</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T09:22:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T08:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:22, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T09:22:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T08:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T09:22:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T08:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T10:35:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T09:22:00.000Z"></span>Hindi ko kasi alam ang Tagalog ng "comment". Pareho nating ayaw ng poblema na ito at ang malawakang pagbura, tama? Nag-bigay ako ng mungkahi na mapipigilan ang malawakang pagbura at sabay na matutulungan ng pag-unlad ng Wikipedia. Hindi parusa ang "ban" (ilang ulit ko bang sasabihin ito). Ikaw ba ano sa palagay mong dapat nating gawin? Hindi natin pwedeng hayaan na lang silang paramihin pa ang mga artikulong iisang pangungusap lang tama?--<a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: teal; background: white; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Lenticel" title="Usapang tagagamit:Lenticel"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">usapan</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T10:35:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T09:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:35, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T10:35:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T09:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenticel-2008-01-19T10:35:00.000Z-Sky_Harbor-2008-01-19T09:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T10:48:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T10:35:00.000Z"></span>(Paumanhin sa pakikisawsaw)</small> Totoong tamang kailangan natin silang pigilan gumawa ng mga karagdagan pang mga artikulong hindi naman nila pinopokusan. Sang-ayon ako sa <i>ban</i> kung itutuloy pa nila ang pagdaragdag. Pero hanggang hindi pa sila nagiging aktibo sa mga aspetong iyon, siguro huwag na. Kagaya ng sinabi mo, ito ay hindi isang parusa kundi pamigil. Muli sinasabi ko sa inyong ang mga artikulo ay para magbigay-alam hindi magdagdag ng estadistika. Ngayon nagbibigay-alam ba ang mga artikulong iyon? 'Di ba hindi? Kaya kailangan nating burahin ang mga iyon. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T10:48:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T10:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:48, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T10:48:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T10:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T10:48:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T10:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T10:51:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z"></span>Sagot kay Lenticel sa itaas</b> Mapanira (<i>disruptive</i>) man o bandalismo isa lamang iyon; hindi ito nakakaganda sa Wikipedya. Kaya, gaya ng mga bandalismo, kailangan na itong burahin. <a href="/wiki/Natatangi:Mga_ambag/Felipe_Aira" title="Natatangi:Mga ambag/Felipe Aira"><font color="#FCD116"><b>--</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#0038A8"><b>Felipe</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/Usapang_tagagamit:Felipe_Aira" title="Usapang tagagamit:Felipe Aira"><font color="#CE1126"><b>Aira</b></font></a> <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8#c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T10:51:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 19 Enero 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T10:51:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">sumagot</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felipe_Aira-2008-01-19T10:51:00.000Z-Lenticel-2008-01-19T06:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></strike>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Kinuha sa "<a dir="ltr" href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&oldid=172909">https://tl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kapihan/Arkibo_8&oldid=172909</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> Huling pagbabago: 10:39, 14 Pebrero 2008.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Magagamit ang teksto sa ilalim ng <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/">Lisensyang Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike</a>; maaaring mailapat ang karagdagang termino. 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