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Přidejte jej i v ostatních jazycích" > <label id="p-lang-btn-label" for="p-lang-btn-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only mw-portlet-lang-heading-empty" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-language mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-language"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Přidat jazyky</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div class="mw-portlet-empty-language-selector-body"> Obsah stránky není podporován v jiných jazycích. </div> </div> </div> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&action=edit&section=new" class="cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--action-progressive" id="ca-addsection" data-event-name="addsection-header"><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-speechBubbleAdd-progressive mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-speechBubbleAdd-progressive"></span> <span>Přidat téma</span> </a> </header> <div class="vector-page-toolbar"> <div class="vector-page-toolbar-container"> <div id="left-navigation"> <nav aria-label="Jmenné prostory"> <div id="p-associated-pages" class="vector-menu vector-menu-tabs mw-portlet mw-portlet-associated-pages" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-nstab-main" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Konstantinopol" title="Zobrazit obsahovou stránku [c]" accesskey="c"><span>Článek</span></a></li><li id="ca-talk" class="selected vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Diskuse:Konstantinopol" rel="discussion" title="Diskuse ke stránce [t]" accesskey="t"><span>Diskuse</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="vector-variants-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown emptyPortlet" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-variants-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-variants-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Změnit variantu jazyka" > <label id="vector-variants-dropdown-label" for="vector-variants-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">čeština</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="p-variants" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-variants emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> <div id="right-navigation" class="vector-collapsible"> <nav aria-label="Zobrazení"> <div id="p-views" class="vector-menu vector-menu-tabs mw-portlet mw-portlet-views" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-view" class="selected vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Diskuse:Konstantinopol"><span>Číst</span></a></li><li id="ca-edit" class="istalk vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&action=edit" title="Editovat zdrojový kód této stránky [e]" accesskey="e"><span>Editovat zdroj</span></a></li><li id="ca-history" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&action=history" title="Starší verze této stránky. [h]" accesskey="h"><span>Zobrazit historii</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Nástroje ke stránce"> <div id="vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-tools-dropdown" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Nástroje" > <label id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-label" for="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Nástroje</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-tools-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> <div id="vector-page-tools" class="vector-page-tools vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-page-tools-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-unpinned" data-feature-name="page-tools-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-page-tools" data-pinned-container-id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-page-tools-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Nástroje</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-page-tools.pin">přesunout do postranního panelu</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-page-tools.unpin">skrýt</button> </div> <div id="p-cactions" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-cactions emptyPortlet vector-has-collapsible-items" title="Další možnosti" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Akce </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-more-view" class="selected vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Diskuse:Konstantinopol"><span>Číst</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-edit" class="istalk vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&action=edit" title="Editovat zdrojový kód této stránky [e]" accesskey="e"><span>Editovat zdroj</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-addsection" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&action=edit&section=new"><span>Přidat téma</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-history" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&action=history"><span>Zobrazit historii</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-tb" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-tb" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Obecné </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="t-whatlinkshere" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Co_odkazuje_na/Diskuse:Konstantinopol" title="Seznam všech wikistránek, které sem odkazují [j]" accesskey="j"><span>Odkazuje sem</span></a></li><li id="t-recentchangeslinked" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Souvisej%C3%ADc%C3%AD_zm%C4%9Bny/Diskuse:Konstantinopol" rel="nofollow" title="Nedávné změny stránek, na které je odkazováno [k]" accesskey="k"><span>Související změny</span></a></li><li id="t-upload" class="mw-list-item"><a href="//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard?uselang=cs" title="Nahrát obrázky či jiná multimédia [u]" accesskey="u"><span>Načíst soubor</span></a></li><li id="t-permalink" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&oldid=22892935" title="Trvalý odkaz na současnou verzi této stránky"><span>Trvalý odkaz</span></a></li><li id="t-info" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&action=info" title="Více informací o této stránce"><span>Informace o stránce</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:UrlShortener&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcs.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDiskuse%3AKonstantinopol"><span>Získat zkrácené URL</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener-qrcode" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:QrCode&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcs.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDiskuse%3AKonstantinopol"><span>Stáhnout QR kód</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-coll-print_export" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-coll-print_export" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Tisk/export </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="coll-create_a_book" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Kniha&bookcmd=book_creator&referer=Diskuse%3AKonstantinopol"><span>Vytvořit knihu</span></a></li><li id="coll-download-as-rl" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:DownloadAsPdf&page=Diskuse%3AKonstantinopol&action=show-download-screen"><span>Stáhnout jako PDF</span></a></li><li id="t-print" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&printable=yes" title="Tato stránka v podobě vhodné k tisku [p]" accesskey="p"><span>Verze k tisku</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-wikibase-otherprojects" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-wikibase-otherprojects emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Na jiných projektech </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vector-column-end"> <div class="vector-sticky-pinned-container"> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Nástroje ke stránce"> <div id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-appearance-landmark" aria-label="Vzhled"> <div id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> <div id="vector-appearance" class="vector-appearance vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-appearance-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-pinned" data-feature-name="appearance-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-appearance" data-pinned-container-id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-appearance-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Vzhled</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.pin">přesunout do postranního panelu</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.unpin">skrýt</button> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div id="bodyContent" class="vector-body" aria-labelledby="firstHeading" data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">Z Wikipedie, otevřené encyklopedie</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="cs" dir="ltr"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cařihrad" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cařihrad"><span id="Ca.C5.99ihrad"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cařihrad"></span>Cařihrad<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cařihrad"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&action=edit&section=1" title="Editovat zdrojový kód sekce Cařihrad"><span>editovat zdroj</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Chtěl bych se zeptat, jestli se tento název, dle mého názoru absolutně nesprávný (mluvíme-li o dějinách Byzance), může používat, když se v Dějinách Byzance od dr. Zástěrové, což je jakýsi základní zdroj, vyskytuje pouze Konstantinopol, vyjma první strany. --<a href="/wiki/Wikipedista:BBukovec" title="Wikipedista:BBukovec">BBukovec</a> <small><a href="/wiki/Diskuse_s_wikipedistou:BBukovec" title="Diskuse s wikipedistou:BBukovec">✉</a></small> 23. 11. 2010 </p> <dl><dd>Podle mého názoru jde o plnohodnotný název, ba se mi zdá v některých případech i lepší, neboť je český. Mám tím na mysli jeho použití co se týče slovanských osobností, dějinných událostí týkajících se Slovanů apod. Přímo v dějinách Byzance je možné, že je Konstantinopol vhodnější, ale pokud se mluví v obecné rovině (nevztaženě k dějinám Byzance) např. o dobytí Cařihradu, nechal bych to. Je to podobný problém jako Basel a Basilej, Schwerin a Zvěřín, Cáchy a Aachen ... To už bychom také mohli potlačovat název Byzanc, neboť říše sama se označovala za Římskou. --<a href="/wiki/Wikipedista:Beregund" title="Wikipedista:Beregund">Beregund</a> (<a href="/wiki/Diskuse_s_wikipedistou:Beregund" title="Diskuse s wikipedistou:Beregund">diskuse</a>) 23. 5. 2012, 23:34 (UTC) <dl><dd>Ještě jsem tedy neviděl knihu o středověkých dějinách Německa, kde by se hovořilo běžně v textu o Aachenu. Cařihrad byzantologové nepoužívají již delší dobu a ona už i sama Konstantinopol je počeštěním typu London – Londýn, tedy výrazem českým. Cařihrad je výrazem zcela jiným, neoficiálním. Dalším problémem je špatné přesměrování - Cařihrad čtenáře odkáže na Konstantinopol, tedy středověké město, ačkoli se v textu mnohdy hovoří o městu Konstantinye (název Istanbulu používaný kanceláří osmanského sultána), tedy výrazu novověkém.--<a href="/wiki/Wikipedista:BBukovec" title="Wikipedista:BBukovec">BBukovec</a> (<a href="/wiki/Diskuse_s_wikipedistou:BBukovec" title="Diskuse s wikipedistou:BBukovec">diskuse</a>) 24. 5. 2012, 14:21 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Nemyslím si, že je potřeba zastávat tak extrémní názor a Cařihrad prostě vyřadit. Je to pravda mírně zastaralý název a v literatuře se moc nevyskytuje, ale rozhodně má své místo v článku. Rovněž bych zpochybnil to, zda je Cařihrad oficiální nebo neoficiální název – v případě toponym ze středověké epochy, navíc ve slovanském prostředí, můžeme těžko hovořit o rozdílu mezi oficiálním a neoficiálním. Cařihrad prostě ke Konstantinopoli patří – tento název byl v minulosti v pramenech slovanského původu, aspoň pokud vím, celkem frekventovaně používán. Krom toho, "novověká" Konstantinopol je prostě Istanbul, ačkoliv se jí tak začalo oficiálně říkat až později. Já bych to nechal tak, jak je. Rozhodně bych ale zase neřekl, že Cařihrad je "lepší" název, už proto, že v moderní literatuře se mnohem častěji setkáváme s Konstantinopolí. Současný stav článku má sice hodně k dokonalosti, ale zmínka o tomto útvaru, stejně jako o přesměrování z Cařihradu k charakteristice města a jeho zpracování zde neodmyslitelně patří. --<a href="/wiki/Wikipedista:Mozzan" title="Wikipedista:Mozzan">Mozzan</a> (<a href="/wiki/Diskuse_s_wikipedistou:Mozzan" title="Diskuse s wikipedistou:Mozzan">diskuse</a>) 29. 5. 2012, 14:26 (UTC) </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Citováno z „<a dir="ltr" href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&oldid=22892935">https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Konstantinopol&oldid=22892935</a>“</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> Stránka byla naposledy editována 17. 6. 2023 v 08:20.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text je dostupný pod <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.cs">licencí Creative Commons Uveďte původ – Zachovejte licenci</a>, případně za dalších podmínek. 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