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class="signpost-author">By <a href="/wiki/User:JPxG" title="User:JPxG">JPxG</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Smallbones</a></span></div></div><div class="hidden-piccyembed" style="display:none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:BoMcMillin.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/BoMcMillin.jpg/1px-BoMcMillin.jpg" decoding="async" width="1" height="1" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/BoMcMillin.jpg/2px-BoMcMillin.jpg 1.5x" data-file-width="1000" data-file-height="563"/></a></span></div><div class="signpost-article" style="padding: 0 2vw; max-width:80em; margin: 0 auto;"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248129851">.mw-parser-output .wp-signpost-block-2{line-height:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .wp-signpost-block-2-full{font-size:1em;font-family:sans-serif,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial}.mw-parser-output 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WhiteHatWiki threatened libel suit?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gonzalez_fined._WhiteHatWiki_threatened_libel_suit?-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>The long saga of the paid Wikipedia edits made at the behest of Portland, Oregon mayoral candidate <a href="/wiki/Rene_Gonzalez_(politician)" title="Rene Gonzalez (politician)">Rene Gonzalez</a> (or his commissioner's office) continued on October 15, during a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpRHVc9jJX0&t=345s">candidate debate.</a> </p><p>Gonzalez justified the paid edits made by his commissioner's office staff — with the help of contractor WhiteHatWiki — by saying that the contractor had trained his staff to counter misinformation spread about him. He <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpRHVc9jJX0&t=400s">said</a> "Wikipedia is one of the tools that I have used and will use in the future". </p><p>Co-moderator Shane Dixon Kavanaugh, who <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2024/08/portland-commissioner-rene-gonzalez-spent-thousands-in-city-funds-to-polish-wikipedia-page.html">first reported the story</a> in <i><a href="/wiki/The_Oregonian" title="The Oregonian">The Oregonian</a></i>, probed further, asking if he was "fine with sticking taxpayers with that bill". Gonzalez attacked the accuracy of the original article, saying they "had to correct it under a threat of a libel suit from the contractor". Kavanaugh disagreed. A correction to the original article had made this change: </p> <table> <tbody><tr> <td style="width: 50%;"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote" style="padding-top:1em; padding-bottom:1em;"><p><b>Old:</b><br/>The company hired by Gonzalez submitted the proposed changes to Wikipedia on June 25 </p></blockquote> </td> <td style="width: 50%;"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote" style="padding-top:1em; padding-bottom:1em;"><p><b>New:</b><br/>A Gonzalez staffer submitted the proposed changes to Wikipedia on June 25 </p></blockquote> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>The next Monday, the <a href="/wiki/Portland_City_Auditor" title="Portland City Auditor">Portland City Auditor</a>'s office <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.portland.gov/auditor/elections/documents/2024-01-rg-amended-determination-reconsideration/download">released its second report</a>, a "reconsideration" based on new evidence, with respect to a complaint that Gonzalez had misused taxpayer money to fund his campaign. </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.opb.org/article/2024/10/21/portland-oregon-rene-gonzalez-wikipedia-campaign-finance-rules-mayor-candidate/">They found that he had</a>, for paying to post a requested edit saying he was a Democrat. </p><p>It would have been allowed if it had been about his non-partisan commissioner's position, rather than about his current mayoral campaign — but an edit to disclose his political party could only have been relevant to the mayoral campaign. The auditor’s office also said that Gonzalez hadn't cooperated in providing the information on that requested edit; for example, he had pressured the chief deputy auditor by accusing him of a conflict of interest. The fine was $2,400. </p><p>Gonzalez's city-paid policy advisor had actually submitted the requested edits drafted with WhiteHatWiki despite his discomfort with them, and an attempt to "slow-walk" the process. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2024/09/exceedingly-close-call-of-illegality-in-gonzalezs-wikipedia-edits-portland-auditor-says-calls-for-state-investigation.html"><i>The Oregonian</i></a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.portland.gov/auditor/elections/documents/2024-01-rg-amended-determination-reconsideration/download">Exhibit A, pp.8-9</a>. </p><p>The entire process involving WhiteHatWiki helping to create and submit the requested edits started with WhiteHatWiki and the commissioner's office staff exploring possible edits. </p> <ul><li>Rene Gonzalez's policy advisor "shared with investigators that when he joined the Commissioner’s office in February 2024, the decision to edit the Wikipedia page had already been made. He was assigned to work on the Wikipedia edits with WhiteHatWiki shortly after his arrival at the City and described his role as a 'middleman' between WhiteHatWiki and Gonzalez."</li> <li>The advisor and WhiteHatWiki "exchanged ideas for edits over the course of a few months (March – June, 2024.)" He said that he "did not care for the Wikipedia project, so he 'slow-walked' it". He "recalls having several discussions with Gonzalez and others in the office about the status and content of the Wikipedia edits".</li> <li>According to the advisor, "the Wikipedia edits under consideration with WhiteHatWiki were frequently an agenda item during the full office’s Monday meetings". He "estimates the Wikipedia edits were discussed four to five times at these Monday meetings during the course of a few months" and "further recalls that Gonzalez was present for the meetings 'consistently,'" but "reflected that it is possible Gonzalez was not there every single time".</li> <li>Gonzalez's advisor "informed investigators that because he was slow on the project, Gonzalez would check in with him periodically (about once a month) for an update".</li></ul> <p>Both Rene Gonzalez and WhiteHatWiki CEO Ed Sussman were asked for comment when the story first broke. On August 7, I asked whether the mayoral campaign had paid for Wikipedia editing in making the edit requests on the article. An unsigned response from the candidate's official email address — presumably Gonzalez — stated that no campaign staffers had been paid for the edits, and referred me to the commissioner's office as well as the "paid editor" who had commented on the article’s talk page. Nobody from the commissioner's office (including Gonzalez's policy advisor) replied to a request sent to his official email address. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1251906771#need_quote_for_The_Signpost" title="Special:PermanentLink/1251906771">Sussman’s reply</a> on August 8 stated that WhiteHatWiki "only served as a consultant", and thus didn’t need to declare as a paid editor. He did say that that the editor was an "employee of the commissioner", but denied that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAID">paid editing disclosure</a> policy applied: only the less-strict <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">conflict of interest</a> guideline. </p><p>The three main involved parties all seem to agree that Gonzalez's policy advisor was being paid while he posted edits to the article talk page. And WhiteHatWiki was being paid. But nobody made a formal paid editing declaration. – <span style="font-size:85%;"><a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">S</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism,_Wikipedia_and_fascism,_and/or_Wikipedia_and_Donald_Trump" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism,_Wikipedia_and_fascism,_and/or_Wiki-signpost-article-title"><span id="Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism.2C_Wikipedia_and_fascism.2C_and.2For_Wikipedia_and_Donald_Trump"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism,_Wikipedia_and_fascism,_and/or_Wiki-signpost-article-title"></span>Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism, Wikipedia and fascism, and/or Wikipedia and Donald Trump<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism,_Wikipedia_and_fascism,_and/or_Wiki-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p><i><a href="/wiki/Pirate_Wires" class="mw-redirect" title="Pirate Wires">Pirate Wires</a></i> wrote an <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.piratewires.com/p/donald-trump-fascism-authoritarianism-wikipedia">article</a> about a Wikipedia article (itself about other newspaper articles), which as of press time was titled <a href="/wiki/Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism" class="mw-redirect" title="Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism">Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism</a>, although a second move request and a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism">deletion debate</a> are both currently underway. The claims made therein are generally along the lines that the article is irreparably biased, that it was written unreasonably close to the election, that it reflects a failure of the project and a "tightly coordinated effort to control the narrative". It afterwards goes into substantial detail on sourcing and policy — beyond what can be summarized here. </p><p>Just a year ago, <a href="/wiki/Elon_Musk" title="Elon Musk">Elon Musk</a> offered to donate $1 billion to the Wikimedia Foundation, contingent on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-11-06/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-11-06/Opinion">one small requirement</a>, and today he remains a regular feature of the news cycle, for a variety of reasons; of late, the most noticeable being his <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/31/elon-musk-hearing-election-payments/75966934007/">effusively outspoken</a> support of Donald Trump's campaign for President of the United States. This item is no exception, as he tweeted the original <i>Pirate Wires</i> article, sparking additional coverage of his remarks by the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/3208021/musk-wikipedia-broken-page-resurfaces-defining-trump-fascism/"><i>Washington Examiner</i></a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/wikipedia-controlled-by-far-left-why-elon-musk-wants-people-to-stop-donating-to-platform/articleshow/114614574.cms"><i>The Times of India</i></a>, the latter of which saying he believes Wikipedia is "controlled by far-left activists. People should stop donating to them." </p><p>Lest the <a href="/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation" title="Simulacra and Simulation">level of simulacra</a> become unmanageable (articles about tweets about articles about articles about articles about public statements about things potentially happening in reality), and more to the point: while some claims are obviously silly, allegations of political bias on Wikipedia are neither a new phenomenon nor <i>prima facie</i> preposterous. You can see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-02-04/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-02-04/Recent research">previous <i>Signpost</i> reporting</a> for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Recent research">some attempts to study this more or less rigorously</a>. Indeed, there is a very long article titled <a href="/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia" title="Criticism of Wikipedia">Criticism of Wikipedia</a> detailing twenty years of these allegations, as well as the subsequent back-and-forth on them. If anyone remembers this article exists a dozen news cycles from now, we might actually be able to find out whether it's biased. – <span style="font-size:85%;"><a href="/wiki/User:JPxG" title="User:JPxG">J</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="C6-H0" data-mw-thread-id="h-C6-H0-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-C6-H0-signpost-article-title"></span>C6-H0<span data-mw-comment-end="h-C6-H0-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:BoMcMillin.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/BoMcMillin.jpg/300px-BoMcMillin.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="169" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/BoMcMillin.jpg/450px-BoMcMillin.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/BoMcMillin.jpg/600px-BoMcMillin.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1000" data-file-height="563"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage">Quarterback <a href="/wiki/Bo_McMillin" title="Bo McMillin">Bo McMillin</a> scores on a 32 yard run in the third quarter</div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p>Way back on October 29, 1921, tiny <a href="/wiki/Centre_College" title="Centre College">Centre College</a> defeated the dominant American football team of the day — <a href="/wiki/List_of_Harvard_Crimson_football_seasons" title="List of Harvard Crimson football seasons">Harvard</a> — 6–0 in one of the biggest upsets in football history. Exactly 103 years later, the Wikipedia <a href="/wiki/1921_Centre_vs._Harvard_football_game" title="1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game">article on the game</a> was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TFA">Today's Featured Article</a> on the <a href="/wiki/Main_page" class="mw-redirect" title="Main page">main page</a>. The same day, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.centre.edu/news/Centre-Harvard-1921-upset-C6H0-wikipedia">Centre College News</a> featured the main author of the article, <a href="/wiki/User:PCN02WPS" title="User:PCN02WPS">Patrick Nelson</a>, who graduated from Centre this May with a degree in mathematics. </p><p>Nelson started editing Wikipedia during high school, focusing on college football rivalries. He told CCN that wiki editing "helped prepare him for the rigors of college writing". The preparation worked both ways "Getting not only my work, but also Centre's name, in front of millions of eyes is very exciting. Especially so, knowing that Centre contributed to my writing and research skills (and provided resources that I used to research that article) and, in part, made the article possible in doing so." </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id=""Knowledge_is_human"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Knowledge_is_human"-signpost-article-title"><span id=".22Knowledge_is_human.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Knowledge_is_human"-signpost-article-title"></span>"Knowledge is human"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Knowledge_is_human"-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"></div><div class="signpost-sidebar signpost-sidebar-fillerimage"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Knowledge_Is_Human_Landing_Page_Animated_Banner.gif" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Knowledge_Is_Human_Landing_Page_Animated_Banner.gif/300px-Knowledge_Is_Human_Landing_Page_Animated_Banner.gif" decoding="async" width="300" height="198" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Knowledge_Is_Human_Landing_Page_Animated_Banner.gif/450px-Knowledge_Is_Human_Landing_Page_Animated_Banner.gif 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Knowledge_Is_Human_Landing_Page_Animated_Banner.gif/600px-Knowledge_Is_Human_Landing_Page_Animated_Banner.gif 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="675"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div class="signpost-fillerimage">One of many images on Commons</div></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248129851"><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-narrow"> <p>The Wikimedia Foundation's <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://lbbonline.com/news/wikipedia-says-knowledge-is-human-in-latest-campaign">latest PR</a> campaign is "Knowledge is human" designed by the VIRTUE Worldwide advertising agency. <a href="/wiki/User:ZMcCune_(WMF)" title="User:ZMcCune (WMF)">Zack McCune</a> of the WMF is quoted as saying, "We’re living in a world that feels defined by online echo chambers, misinformation, and polarised opinions. This leaves people around the world increasingly sceptical of their information sources." The project's <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/our-work/knowledge-is-human/">landing page</a> shows videos, photos of people many of us know, and is designed to emphasize the humanity of Wikipedia. It is an updated version of a campaign presented last year. One innovation is a Wikipedia truck which made at least four stops in New York City, and the same number in Los Angeles. The truck displays a huge version of a Wikipedia article on its side and is displayed on billboards and in other ads. See also <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation/Communications/Knowledge_is_Human" class="extiw" title="m:Wikimedia Foundation/Communications/Knowledge is Human">meta</a> and articles <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.designrush.com/news/virtue-us-wikipedia-launch-knowledge-is-human-campaign">in <i>Design Rush</i></a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://adage.com/article/creativity/creative-ads-today-barilla-cooper-tires-craft-sportswear-mms-marc-jacobs-wikipedia-youtube/2589706"><i>Ad Age</i></a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="In_brief" data-mw-thread-id="h-In_brief-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-In_brief-signpost-article-title"></span>In brief<span data-mw-comment-end="h-In_brief-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><b>Australian place names</b>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://phys.org/news/2024-10-australia-wikipedia.html">Phys.org</a> reviews a Wikihistories project <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikihistories.github.io/reports/2024.pdf"><i>How Australian Places are Represented on Wikipedia</i>.</a> The project, led by <a href="/wiki/Heather_Ford" title="Heather Ford">Heather Ford</a>, gives an outstanding overview of Australian place name articles, their editors, and the editing process that any Wikipedia editor should be able to recognize and learn from.</li> <li><b>Indian court case</b>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/wikipedia-suspends-access-to-ani-defamation-case-page-following-delhi-hc-order/article68778075.ece">straight from</a> <i><a href="/wiki/The_Hindu" title="The Hindu">The Hindu</a></i>.</li> <li><b>Legal trouble</b>: The <a href="/wiki/BBC" title="BBC">BBC</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrdydkypv7o">reports</a> on the same case.</li></ul> <p><br/><br/> </p> <div style="text-align:center"><small><i>Do you want to contribute to "In the media" by writing a story or even just an "in brief" item? 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To follow comments, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media&action=watch">add the page to your watchlist</a>.</span> If your comment has not appeared here, you can try <span class="noprint plainlinks purgelink"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media&action=purge"><span title="Purge this page">purging the cache</span></a></span>.</div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"><div class="nomobile"></div> <p>Hey, I finally (quasi) made it onto a Signpost! :) <a href="/wiki/User:EF5" title="User:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>E</b></span></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EF5" title="User talk:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>F</b></span></a></sub><sub><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/EF5" title="Special:Contributions/EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>5</b></span></a></sub></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-EF5-20241106175800-Discuss_this_story" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EF5-20241106175800-Discuss_this_story"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EF5-20241106175800-Discuss_this_story"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallbones-20241106184300-EF5-20241106175800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:EF5" title="User:EF5">EF5</a>:</span> - You sound like a wild and quasi guy. Please let us know which article you are referring to! <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Smallbones</a><sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallbones" title="User talk:Smallbones"><span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-Smallbones-20241106184300-EF5-20241106175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallbones-20241106184300-EF5-20241106175800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallbones-20241106184300-EF5-20241106175800"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EF5-20241106184500-Smallbones-20241106184300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Smallbones</a>:</span> The <a href="/wiki/Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism" class="mw-redirect" title="Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism">CBDTaF</a> deletion discussion was initiated by me (albeit under a different username). It isn’t the prettiest of AfDs, but oh well. <a href="/wiki/User:EF5" title="User:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>E</b></span></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EF5" title="User talk:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>F</b></span></a></sub><sub><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/EF5" title="Special:Contributions/EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>5</b></span></a></sub></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-EF5-20241106184500-Smallbones-20241106184300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EF5-20241106184500-Smallbones-20241106184300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EF5-20241106184500-Smallbones-20241106184300"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallbones-20241106195800-EF5-20241106184500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:EF5" title="User:EF5">EF5</a>:</span> - Ah, so you're responsible for that mess! If you're lucky, you might get the record for longest AFD. But I think it might be snow closed as <i>no consensus</i>. As I just looked at it, I was thinking I might !vote keep, because of all the reliable sources mentioned, but then I'd really have to read the article to make a final decision and figured "naw". They actually seem pretty well behaved for such a contentious AFD. Pleasure to make your acquaintance. <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Smallbones</a><sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallbones" title="User talk:Smallbones"><span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-Smallbones-20241106195800-EF5-20241106184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallbones-20241106195800-EF5-20241106184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallbones-20241106195800-EF5-20241106184500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EF5-20241106200100-Smallbones-20241106195800"></span>It's most likely going to be closed as "no consensus", I'm just sad I didn't get that <s>million</s> billion dollars from Elon <small>(kidding, of course)</small>. It's my pleasure as well. :) <a href="/wiki/User:EF5" title="User:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>E</b></span></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EF5" title="User talk:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>F</b></span></a></sub><sub><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/EF5" title="Special:Contributions/EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>5</b></span></a></sub></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-EF5-20241106200100-Smallbones-20241106195800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EF5-20241106200100-Smallbones-20241106195800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EF5-20241106200100-Smallbones-20241106195800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallbones-20241107034300-EF5-20241106175800"></span>For folks wondering about the outcome of the Portland mayoral election, the Oregonian called it (based on an incomplete vote tally and a new <a href="/wiki/Ranked_voting" title="Ranked voting">ranked voting</a> system), for Keith Wilson 1st, Carmen Rubio 2nd, and Rene Gonzalez 3rd. Gonzalez early on had been the leading candidate. The likely cause for his loss was simply that he was too far to the right of Portland voters and that an organized "Don't rank Gonzalez" movement ran a tough campaign directly against him. Did the paid editing scandal have anything to do with his loss? Perhaps a bit, but he also had a couple other communication problems that together might have been more important (IMHO). <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Smallbones</a><sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallbones" title="User talk:Smallbones"><span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-Smallbones-20241107034300-EF5-20241106175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallbones-20241107034300-EF5-20241106175800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallbones-20241107034300-EF5-20241106175800"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OhanaUnited-20241112042800-EF5-20241106175800"></span>For the Australian place name, I'm very confused about the PDF. Page 2 says the work is licensed under CC-BY 4.0 <b>and</b> CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0. So which one is it? <a href="/wiki/User:OhanaUnited" title="User:OhanaUnited"><b style="color: #0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:OhanaUnited" title="User talk:OhanaUnited"><b style="color: green;"><sup>Talk page</sup></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-OhanaUnited-20241112042800-EF5-20241106175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OhanaUnited-20241112042800-EF5-20241106175800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OhanaUnited-20241112042800-EF5-20241106175800"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallbones-20241113032500-OhanaUnited-20241112042800"></span>Good catch - I can confirm that p.2 of the report lists the 2 different CC licenses. I'm looking into it further. <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Smallbones</a><sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallbones" title="User talk:Smallbones"><span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-Smallbones-20241113032500-OhanaUnited-20241112042800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallbones-20241113032500-OhanaUnited-20241112042800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallbones-20241113032500-OhanaUnited-20241112042800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Dual-licence" class="mw-redirect" title="Dual-licence"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Josve05a-20241113152000-Smallbones-20241113032500"></span>Dual-licence</a> is a thing. <a href="/wiki/User:Josve05a" title="User:Josve05a">Jonatan Svensson Glad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Josve05a" title="User talk:Josve05a">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-Josve05a-20241113152000-Smallbones-20241113032500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Josve05a-20241113152000-Smallbones-20241113032500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Josve05a-20241113152000-Smallbones-20241113032500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallbones-20241113164900-Josve05a-20241113152000"></span>I've contacted the right people and am confident that the apparent contradiction will soon be corrected. Which license? I'm not sure yet. <a href="/wiki/User:Josve05a" title="User:Josve05a">Jonatan Svensson Glad</a>'s comment is interesting though. It might not apply to CC licenses, but it might. In which case, it might seem that reusers would always pick the least restrictive CC-BY, but what if they chose CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0? It would seem to me that the next set of resusers would have to use CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0, if only because they didn't know that a CC-BY copy existed. The only thing I can see in the CC's explanation is that you can't impose additional restrictions, so it would matter which license applied first. In this case ... No, that's just too big a can of worms for me. I'll say that the least restrictive (CC-BY) must apply. Unless the author then released a copy CC-0, ... <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Smallbones</a><sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallbones" title="User talk:Smallbones"><span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-Smallbones-20241113164900-Josve05a-20241113152000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallbones-20241113164900-Josve05a-20241113152000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallbones-20241113164900-Josve05a-20241113152000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Josve05a-20241114143500-Smallbones-20241113164900"></span>As a Commons admin, I can sy it is not unusual. You may also license the same content different licenses on different sites - such as cc-by on Commons, but CC-BY-NC-ND on e.g. Flickr, but "All rights reserved" on their own website. There's nothing wrong with that. Ans as you say, he next set of resusers would have to use CC-BY-NC-ND unless they find the more free license option. Even on Commons some file may be licensed with both a "free" cc-by license, but also a nc-nd license as well (we even have some templates to support that). <a href="/wiki/User:Josve05a" title="User:Josve05a">Jonatan Svensson Glad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Josve05a" title="User talk:Josve05a">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-Josve05a-20241114143500-Smallbones-20241113164900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Josve05a-20241114143500-Smallbones-20241113164900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Josve05a-20241114143500-Smallbones-20241113164900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><ul><li><ul><li><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smallbones-20241114151100-Josve05a-20241114143500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Josve05a" title="User:Josve05a">Josve05a</a>:</span> I've quickly looked around on Commons and couldn't find anything. Could you post a link here? <a href="/wiki/User:Smallbones" title="User:Smallbones">Smallbones</a><sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smallbones" title="User talk:Smallbones"><span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-Smallbones-20241114151100-Josve05a-20241114143500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smallbones-20241114151100-Josve05a-20241114143500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smallbones-20241114151100-Josve05a-20241114143500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Josve05a-20241114205000-Smallbones-20241114151100"></span>To clarify with a simpler example, take a look at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0" class="extiw" title="c:Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0">c:Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0</a> on Commons, where reusers can choose any version of cc-by-sa they prefer. Similarly, <a href="/wiki/File:US-power-strip-rotated.jpg" title="File:US-power-strip-rotated.jpg">File:US-power-strip-rotated.jpg</a> is licensed under both cc-by-sa 3.0 and cc-by-nc-sa 2.0. Although we could remove the “non-free” license, due the share-alike requirement (-sa-) the secondary license (albeit more restrictive) makes it possible for reusers to work with the more restrictive license if they want to incorporate the media into a project that won’t be as freely licensed. It’s about flexibility for reusers while still respecting the licensing terms. However, the PDF above I believe might wither be a mistake or they meant to attribute the licenses to different part (such as the text being ccc-by, while the design or media might be -nc-nd or something. But since they have published this, their original intend do not matter as much...) Also, they are also using images from Adobestock, which are not freely licensed, so the licenses do not apply to those images making it even more complicated to determined what is freely licensed and what is not. <a href="/wiki/User:Josve05a" title="User:Josve05a">Jonatan Svensson Glad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Josve05a" title="User talk:Josve05a">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_the_media#c-Josve05a-20241114205000-Smallbones-20241114151100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Josve05a-20241114205000-Smallbones-20241114151100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Josve05a-20241114205000-Smallbones-20241114151100"></span><br/><div style="clear:both;"></div></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></div></div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1240929115">.mw-parser-output .signpost-footer{padding-top:2em}.mw-parser-output .signpost-issue-navigation,.mw-parser-output .signpost-ticker,.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar{box-sizing:border-box;clear:both;font-family:Georgia,Palatino,Palatino Linotype,Times,Times New Roman,serif;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .signpost-issue-navigation{font-size:116%;display:flex;flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;font-style:italic;gap:1em;justify-content:space-between;padding:0 2vw;margin:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .signpost-issue-nav-casing{font-size:80%;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .signpost-ticker{border-top:3px double #BBB;color:var(--color-subtle,#333);font-size:110%;padding:5px 2vw;text-align:center;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar{border-top:1px solid #999;padding:3px 2vw}.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar>div{color:#444;display:flex;flex-flow:row wrap;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:center;font-size:90%;margin:0 auto;max-width:80em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .signpost-linkbar>div>div{display:inline-block;flex:1 1 auto;min-width:6em}</style> <div class="signpost-footer"> <div class="signpost-issue-navigation noprint"></div> <div class="signpost-ticker">Keep up with <i>The Signpost</i> on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/wikisignpost">Twitter</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.facebook.com/wikisignpost">Facebook</a> or <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikis.world/@WikiSignpost">Mastodon</a>.</div> <div class="signpost-linkbar"> <div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Home</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/About" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/About">About</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives">Archives</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom">Newsroom</a></div> <div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Subscribe" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe">Subscribe</a></div> <div><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions">Suggestions</a></span></div> </div></div></div>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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