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- <i><a href="/wiki/User:Samsara" title="User:Samsara">Samsara</a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bernard_Mandeville#c-Samsara-2006-01-09T03:02:00.000Z-Benefit,_but_virtue?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samsara-2006-01-09T03:02:00.000Z-Benefit,_but_virtue?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samsara-2006-01-09T03:02:00.000Z-Benefit,_but_virtue?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="POV" data-mw-thread-id="h-POV-2006-02-27T13:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-POV-2006-02-27T13:17:00.000Z"></span>POV<span data-mw-comment-end="h-POV-2006-02-27T13:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bernard_Mandeville&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: POV"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lestrade-2006-02-27T13:17:00.000Z-POV"></span>The Encyclopedia Britannica article, from which this article was taken, advanced a point of view. Instead of describing Mandeville's ideas as vile, it should simply present them and let the reader decide on their truth.<a href="/wiki/User:Lestrade" title="User:Lestrade">Lestrade</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bernard_Mandeville#c-Lestrade-2006-02-27T13:17:00.000Z-POV" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)</a>Lestrade<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lestrade-2006-02-27T13:17:00.000Z-POV"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lestrade-2006-02-27T13:17:00.000Z-POV"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Updated_the_format" data-mw-thread-id="h-Updated_the_format-2006-06-12T08:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Updated_the_format-2006-06-12T08:49:00.000Z"></span>Updated the format<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Updated_the_format-2006-06-12T08:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bernard_Mandeville&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Updated the format"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T08:49:00.000Z-Updated_the_format"></span>I left the text alone, it seemed a fair summary. I also added him to 'philosophers' - the Britannica describes him as a philosopher, as does the Encarta. </p><p>More could be added to 'influences' and also 'influenced by', if there is a consensus on that. </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:GwydionM" title="User:GwydionM">GwydionM</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bernard_Mandeville#c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T08:49:00.000Z-Updated_the_format" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T08:49:00.000Z-Updated_the_format"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T08:49:00.000Z-Updated_the_format"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:14:00.000Z-Updated_the_format"></span>Regarding his birthdate, I could find no support for January 19th or 21st, the latter being recorded as his date of death. </p><p>I have listed him as both a Dutch philosopher and an English philosopher: where he was born and where he worked. </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:GwydionM" title="User:GwydionM">GwydionM</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bernard_Mandeville#c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:14:00.000Z-Updated_the_format" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:14:00.000Z-Updated_the_format"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:14:00.000Z-Updated_the_format"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:30:00.000Z-Updated_the_format"></span>I included the <b>Costerman tax riots</b> because it came from a reliable source, and sounds an interesting topic. Googling for it produced nothing useful. </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:GwydionM" title="User:GwydionM">GwydionM</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bernard_Mandeville#c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:30:00.000Z-Updated_the_format" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:30:00.000Z-Updated_the_format"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:30:00.000Z-Updated_the_format"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JRB-Europe-2019-01-15T09:57:00.000Z-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:30:00.000Z"></span>I came across an article concerning the Costerman riots in Dutch. Added a reference to the article. But my addition was removed by the "owner" of this article. So be it. Some remarks. 1) these riots were no tax riots, but a power struggle between Rotterdam regents and William of Orange. 2) His father was heavily involved in this riots and Bernard Mandeville himself most likely wrote the pamphlet that led to the sacking of the house of the "chief of police" (for lack of a better term). Would be an interesting subject for some dissertation to prove this without doubt, using an computer aided analysis of all his texts, both in English and Dutch. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JRB-Europe&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JRB-Europe (page does not exist)">JRB-Europe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JRB-Europe" title="User talk:JRB-Europe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bernard_Mandeville#c-JRB-Europe-2019-01-15T09:57:00.000Z-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JRB-Europe-2019-01-15T09:57:00.000Z-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JRB-Europe-2019-01-15T09:57:00.000Z-GwydionM-2006-06-12T09:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Possible_Norman_ancestry" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possible_Norman_ancestry-2011-04-11T21:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possible_Norman_ancestry-2011-04-11T21:14:00.000Z"></span>Possible Norman ancestry<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possible_Norman_ancestry-2011-04-11T21:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bernard_Mandeville&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Possible Norman ancestry"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-128.125.1.2-2011-04-11T21:14:00.000Z-Possible_Norman_ancestry"></span>The text states "Although the name Mandeville suggests a French origin, his ancestors had lived in the Netherlands since at least the 16th century." In the early 1600's, French Huguenots, including some Mandevilles, emigrated to Holland. The name comes from what is now called Mandeville-en-Bessin in Normandy. I think Bernard de Mandeville was supposed to have descended from them, but I don't have a reference. I did not change the text. Maybe someone can check this out. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/128.125.1.2" title="Special:Contributions/128.125.1.2">128.125.1.2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:128.125.1.2" title="User talk:128.125.1.2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bernard_Mandeville#c-128.125.1.2-2011-04-11T21:14:00.000Z-Possible_Norman_ancestry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 11 April 2011 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-128.125.1.2-2011-04-11T21:14:00.000Z-Possible_Norman_ancestry"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-128.125.1.2-2011-04-11T21:14:00.000Z-Possible_Norman_ancestry"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JRB-Europe-2019-01-15T09:44:00.000Z-128.125.1.2-2011-04-11T21:14:00.000Z"></span>I had a look at the internet at the Dutch sources. It seems very likely that his ancestor with the name Mandeville came to Friesland in 1568 with Walloon troops under command of <a href="/wiki/Caspar_de_Robles" class="mw-redirect" title="Caspar de Robles">Caspar de Robles</a>, a very able soldier, bureaucrat and diplomat, who amazingly managed to solve a decades old conflict concerning the financing of dikes. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JRB-Europe&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JRB-Europe (page does not exist)">JRB-Europe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JRB-Europe" title="User talk:JRB-Europe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bernard_Mandeville#c-JRB-Europe-2019-01-15T09:44:00.000Z-128.125.1.2-2011-04-11T21:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:44, 15 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JRB-Europe-2019-01-15T09:44:00.000Z-128.125.1.2-2011-04-11T21:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JRB-Europe-2019-01-15T09:44:00.000Z-128.125.1.2-2011-04-11T21:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="File:BERNARD_DE_MANDEVILLE.png_Nominated_for_Deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:BERNARD_DE_MANDEVILLE.png_Nominated_for_Deletion-2012-05-11T08:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:BERNARD_DE_MANDEVILLE.png_Nominated_for_Deletion-2012-05-11T08:56:00.000Z"></span>File:BERNARD DE MANDEVILLE.png Nominated for Deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:BERNARD_DE_MANDEVILLE.png_Nominated_for_Deletion-2012-05-11T08:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bernard_Mandeville&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: File:BERNARD DE MANDEVILLE.png Nominated for Deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommonsNotificationBot-2012-05-11T08:56:00.000Z-File:BERNARD_DE_MANDEVILLE.png_Nominated_for_Deletion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Image-x-generic.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Image-x-generic.svg/100px-Image-x-generic.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Image-x-generic.svg/150px-Image-x-generic.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Image-x-generic.svg/200px-Image-x-generic.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> </td> <td>An image used in this article, <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BERNARD_DE_MANDEVILLE.png" class="extiw" title="commons:File:BERNARD DE MANDEVILLE.png">File:BERNARD DE MANDEVILLE.png</a>, has been nominated for deletion at <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons" title="Wikimedia Commons">Wikimedia Commons</a> in the following category: <i>Deletion requests May 2012</i> <dl><dt>What should I do?</dt></dl> <p><i>Don't panic</i>; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. 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As they [the poor] ought to be kept from starving, so they should receive nothing worth saving. If here and there one of the lowest class by uncommon industry, and pinching his belly, lifts himself above the condition he was brought up in, nobody ought to hinder him; nay, it is undeniably the wisest course for every person in the society, and for every private family to be frugal; but it is the interest of all rich nations, that the greatest part of the poor-should almost never be idle, and yet continually spend what they get.... Those that get their living by their daily labour ... have nothing to stir them up to be serviceable but their wants which it is prudence to relieve, but folly to cure. The only thing then that can render the labouring man industrious, is a moderate quantity of money, for as too little will, according as his temper is, either dispirit or make him desperate, so too much will make him insolent and lazy.... 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