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The consensus is based entirely on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> that establish <a href="/wiki/Rumi#cite_note-howisit-8" title="Rumi">his birthplace</a> and <a href="/wiki/Rumi#cite_note-9" title="Rumi">native language</a> within a Persian cultural-historical context. <b>Before reopening a debate</b> on Rumi's ethnicity, please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Weight" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Weight">WP:Weight</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>, as well as <a href="/wiki/Talk:Rumi/Rumi%27s_heritage" title="Talk:Rumi/Rumi's heritage">Talk:Rumi/Rumi's heritage</a>. See also modern, authoritative biographies of Rumi, such as that of Professor <a href="/wiki/Franklin_Lewis" title="Franklin Lewis">Franklin Lewis</a>, and note the relative ubiquity of such descriptions as "Persian poet Rumi" and "Persian mystic Rumi" in <a href="/wiki/Google_Books" title="Google Books">Google Books</a> and <a href="/wiki/Google_Scholar" title="Google Scholar">Google Scholar</a> sources.</td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1135653291">@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .article-history{min-width:80%}}</style><table class="article-history tmbox tmbox-notice"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_oppose_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Former good article nominee"><img alt="Former good article nominee" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/50px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="51" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/75px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/100px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><b>Rumi</b> was a <i><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_articles" title="Wikipedia:Good articles">good articles</a></b></i> nominee, but did not meet the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_criteria" title="Wikipedia:Good article criteria">good article criteria</a> at the time. 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data-file-height="128"/></a></span></span> Article milestones</th></tr><tr style="text-align:left"><th>Date</th><th>Process</th><th>Result</th></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rumi&oldid=44474170">March 19, 2006</a></span></td><td><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Jalal_al-Din_Muhammad_Rumi/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Peer review/Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi/archive1">Peer review</a></b></td><td>Reviewed</td></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rumi&oldid=68777591">August 11, 2006</a></span></td><td><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Peer_review/Jalal_ad-Din_Muhammad_Balkhi-Rumi" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Peer review/Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Balkhi-Rumi">WikiProject peer review</a></b></td><td>Reviewed</td></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rumi&oldid=122935674">April 17, 2007</a></span></td><td><b><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Good article nominee</a></b></td><td>Not listed</td></tr><tr><td colspan="3" style="width:100%"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_date.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="On this day..."><img alt="On this day..." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Nuvola_apps_date.svg/20px-Nuvola_apps_date.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Nuvola_apps_date.svg/30px-Nuvola_apps_date.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Nuvola_apps_date.svg/40px-Nuvola_apps_date.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a></span> Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Main Page">Main Page</a> in the <i>"<a 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He cites, MOS:Ethnicity, but it claims it shouldn't be apart of the lead <b>unless</b> relevant to the subject's notability. Consensus has been reached on the talk page about this tiring topic already. Please reintroduce Persian. </p><p>The lead in for Socrates is that he is a Greek Philosopher, Rumi is no different here. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24" title="Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24">2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900-Ethnicity_Removed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900-Ethnicity_Removed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900-Ethnicity_Removed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505025900-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900"></span>I'd like to mention instead of addressing or explaining his reasoning he simply deleted my comments as an IP user from his talk page. MOS:Ethnicity has not been proved to apply here. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24" title="Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24">2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505025900-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:59, 5 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505025900-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505025900-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Onpoint12-20240827235800-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505025900"></span>Comments about this editor's edits are duly noted. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Onpoint12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Onpoint12 (page does not exist)">Onpoint12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Onpoint12" title="User talk:Onpoint12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-Onpoint12-20240827235800-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505025900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Onpoint12-20240827235800-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505025900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Onpoint12-20240827235800-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505025900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.73.57.133-20230908062700-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900"></span>Can someone do that please? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.73.57.133" title="Special:Contributions/103.73.57.133">103.73.57.133</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:103.73.57.133&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:103.73.57.133 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-103.73.57.133-20230908062700-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 8 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.73.57.133-20230908062700-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.73.57.133-20230908062700-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Onpoint12-20240804100200-103.73.57.133-20230908062700"></span>MOS:Ethnicity does not apply here since Rumi's Persian identity is central to his notability. Merely highlighting his origins in 'Greater Iran' lacks clarity for an opening paragraph and he is described as Persian in any reputable academic source (many of which are already cited on this page). <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Onpoint12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Onpoint12 (page does not exist)">Onpoint12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Onpoint12" title="User talk:Onpoint12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-Onpoint12-20240804100200-103.73.57.133-20230908062700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Onpoint12-20240804100200-103.73.57.133-20230908062700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Onpoint12-20240804100200-103.73.57.133-20230908062700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HistoryofIran-20240826222900-Onpoint12-20240804100200"></span>Sorry, but his Persian poetry is, not his Persian ethnicity, hence <a href="/wiki/MOS:ETHNICITY" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:ETHNICITY">MOS:ETHNICITY</a> applies. <a href="/wiki/User:HistoryofIran" title="User:HistoryofIran">HistoryofIran</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HistoryofIran" title="User talk:HistoryofIran">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-HistoryofIran-20240826222900-Onpoint12-20240804100200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HistoryofIran-20240826222900-Onpoint12-20240804100200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HistoryofIran-20240826222900-Onpoint12-20240804100200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Onpoint12-20240827235600-HistoryofIran-20240826222900"></span>His ethnocultural identity is 'Persian' and it is indelibly associated with him and his contribution to Persian literature - as recognised by multiple credible sources used on this page. It is also an important descriptor for the sake of a) clarity (versus saying he is from Khwarezm in Greater Iran, which is opaque and arguably contradictory and b) consistency with other pages on Wikipedia where many poets have ethnocultural descriptors i.e. Greek, Roman preceding the word 'poet'. Any attempt to deny this descriptor works against educating the reader. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Onpoint12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Onpoint12 (page does not exist)">Onpoint12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Onpoint12" title="User talk:Onpoint12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-Onpoint12-20240827235600-HistoryofIran-20240826222900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Onpoint12-20240827235600-HistoryofIran-20240826222900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Onpoint12-20240827235600-HistoryofIran-20240826222900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900"></span>"<i>consistency with other pages on Wikipedia where many poets have ethnocultural descriptors i.e. Greek, Roman preceding the word 'poet'.</i>"</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS">WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS</a> is not an argument.</dd> <dd>Rumi isn't known for being a "Persian", he is known for his <b>poetry</b>. Which has been already stated, which you have clearly ignored. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kansas_Bear" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Kansas Bear">Kansas Bear</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kansas_Bear" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Kansas Bear">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400-2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24-20230505013900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Onpoint12-20240828001000-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400"></span>Rumi is knwon for being a 'Persian poet' in the same way other poets in other languages are 'French poets' or 'English poets'. It refers to ethnocultural identity and contribution. Importantly, academic sources refer to him as the same. The fact that other pages manage to clarify such facts illustrates why they score better for clarity, an area where this page underperforms alarmingly. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Onpoint12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Onpoint12 (page does not exist)">Onpoint12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Onpoint12" title="User talk:Onpoint12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-Onpoint12-20240828001000-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Onpoint12-20240828001000-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Onpoint12-20240828001000-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REHASH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REHASH"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kansas_Bear-20240828001500-Onpoint12-20240828001000"></span>WP:REHASH</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kansas_Bear" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Kansas Bear">Kansas Bear</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kansas_Bear" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Kansas Bear">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-Kansas_Bear-20240828001500-Onpoint12-20240828001000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kansas_Bear-20240828001500-Onpoint12-20240828001000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kansas_Bear-20240828001500-Onpoint12-20240828001000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Onpoint12-20240828002000-Kansas_Bear-20240828001500"></span>Previous editors' comments suggest your rationales for these ongoing changes fail to resonate. I am not adding 'Persian' as an ethnic descriptor; please re read my rationale, check the sources used on this page, and understand that MOS:ETHNICITY does not apply here. As others have already highlighted in the past. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Onpoint12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Onpoint12 (page does not exist)">Onpoint12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Onpoint12" title="User talk:Onpoint12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-Onpoint12-20240828002000-Kansas_Bear-20240828001500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Onpoint12-20240828002000-Kansas_Bear-20240828001500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Onpoint12-20240828002000-Kansas_Bear-20240828001500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Onpoint12-20240828005900-Onpoint12-20240828002000"></span>I await a response on why adding 'Persian' as a descriptor to 'poet' is an ethnic reference that has no place in the article. As mentioned many times, it reflects his 'ethnocultural' identity and contribution, an important aspect of the subject that helps educate the reader, and which is recognised by the sources used on this page (which also describe him as a 'Persian poet). <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Onpoint12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Onpoint12 (page does not exist)">Onpoint12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Onpoint12" title="User talk:Onpoint12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-Onpoint12-20240828005900-Onpoint12-20240828002000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Onpoint12-20240828005900-Onpoint12-20240828002000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Onpoint12-20240828005900-Onpoint12-20240828002000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Onpoint12-20240828010500-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400"></span>He is well known as being a 'Persian poet', which recognises his ethnocultural identity and contribution. I again highlight the sources used on this page. A simple Google search will also furnish you with the same evidence. Simply telling me he is known for his poetry does not preclude notability based on his ethnocultural identity, the evidence for which is overwhelming <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Onpoint12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Onpoint12 (page does not exist)">Onpoint12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Onpoint12" title="User talk:Onpoint12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-Onpoint12-20240828010500-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Onpoint12-20240828010500-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Onpoint12-20240828010500-Kansas_Bear-20240828000400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HistoryofIran-20240828014800-Onpoint12-20240828010500"></span>Could you please some <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> that talks about the importance of this "ethnocultural identity"? There are other ways to highlight a poet without going against <a href="/wiki/MOS:ETHNICITY" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:ETHNICITY">MOS:ETHNICITY</a>, eg <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HistoryofIran/Saadi_Shirazi">[1]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:HistoryofIran" title="User:HistoryofIran">HistoryofIran</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HistoryofIran" title="User talk:HistoryofIran">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-HistoryofIran-20240828014800-Onpoint12-20240828010500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HistoryofIran-20240828014800-Onpoint12-20240828010500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HistoryofIran-20240828014800-Onpoint12-20240828010500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Runi_quote_about_source_of_lights" data-mw-thread-id="h-Runi_quote_about_source_of_lights-20240726035900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Runi_quote_about_source_of_lights-20240726035900"></span>Runi quote about source of lights<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Runi_quote_about_source_of_lights-20240726035900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rumi&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Runi quote about source of lights"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badgettrg-20240726035900-Runi_quote_about_source_of_lights"></span>OK to add Rumi's statement, "Thus, even though two lamp-dishes be not joined, Yet their light is united in a single ray" from <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Masnavi_I_Ma%27navi/Book_III#STORY_XVII._The_Vakil_of_the_Prince_of_Bokhara">https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Masnavi_I_Ma%27navi/Book_III#STORY_XVII._The_Vakil_of_the_Prince_of_Bokhara</a>. </p><p><br/> This passage could go in the Teachings section as representing the concept of a commonality to divine teachings. I also encounter this passage translated to English as "The lamps are different, but the Light is the same; it comes from Beyond." I am not certain of the source of this translation, it might be Coleman Barks. <a href="/wiki/User:Badgettrg" title="User:Badgettrg">Badgettrg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Badgettrg" title="User talk:Badgettrg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-Badgettrg-20240726035900-Runi_quote_about_source_of_lights" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badgettrg-20240726035900-Runi_quote_about_source_of_lights"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badgettrg-20240726035900-Runi_quote_about_source_of_lights"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity"><span id="Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi.27s_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity"></span>Request to Reinstate Rumi's Persian Ethnocultural Identity<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rumi&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Request to Reinstate Rumi's Persian Ethnocultural Identity"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I want to bring attention to the fact that Rumi is widely recognized as a Persian poet and mystic in numerous academic sources. Removing his Persian identity from this page seems highly questionable and contradicts established scholarly consensus. Given the importance of this aspect of Rumi’s heritage, any removal of such references raises concerns about bias or misinformation. I request that the users who are preventing the accurate representation of Rumi’s Persian heritage be thoroughly investigated. Let's maintain the integrity of the content and be fair to the historical and cultural significance of such figures. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity_2-20241020105500"><span id="Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi.27s_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity_2-20241020105500"></span>Request to Reinstate Rumi's Persian Ethnocultural Identity<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity_2-20241020105500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rumi&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Request to Reinstate Rumi's Persian Ethnocultural Identity"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikihero1994-20241020105500-Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity_2"></span>I would like to propose that Rumi's Persian ethnocultural identity be reinstated in the article's introduction. Rumi is frequently described as a Persian poet and mystic in authoritative academic sources, which are key to understanding his contributions to Persian literature, culture, and Sufism. Removing his Persian identity contradicts scholarly consensus and misrepresents his background. </p><p>Why this matters: </p><p>Scholarly Consensus: Numerous reliable sources (WP ) refer to Rumi as a Persian figure. Examples include: Franklin Lewis, in his biography Rumi: Past and Present, East and West, consistently refers to him as a "Persian poet." Avery, Heath-Stubbs, and Goulding's book Persian Literature discusses Rumi's impact on Persian literature. Scholarly articles and books listed on Google Scholar and Google Books almost unanimously describe him as a "Persian mystic" or "Persian poet." The removal of "Persian" from Rumi's description diminishes the clarity and cultural context that is central to his historical identity. For example, figures like Socrates are described as Greek philosophers, and Virgil as a Roman poet. These ethnocultural identifiers provide necessary context. </p><p>MOS Consideration: </p><p>Relevance to Notability: According to [[MOS ]], ethnicity should not be mentioned unless it is significant to the subject's notability. In Rumi’s case, his Persian identity is central to his work and how it is understood globally. His contributions to Persian literature and Sufism are foundational, making "Persian" not only appropriate but essential for historical accuracy. </p><p>User Bear argued that MOS applies because Rumi is known for his poetry, not his ethnicity. However, this logic neglects the fact that Rumi’s ethnocultural identity as a Persian is crucial to his literary contributions. Describing him simply as "from Greater Iran" lacks clarity and misleads the reader. Rumi is known as a "Persian poet" in the same way that other poets are labeled by their ethno-cultural identity (e.g., "French poet," "Greek poet"). </p><p>Supporting Sources: </p><p>Lewis, Franklin. "Rumi: Past and Present, East and West: The Life, Teachings and Poetry of Jalal Al-Din Rumi." Oneworld Publications, 2007. Avery, Peter, and Heath-Stubbs, John. "Persian Literature." Cambridge University Press, 1979. Goulding, Edmund L., "The Persian Mysticism of Rumi." Journal of the American Oriental Society, Vol. 121, No. 2, 2001. Several editors, including User , have pointed out the overwhelming academic consensus on Rumi’s Persian identity. User has also mentioned that Rumi’s contributions are tied more to his Persian poetry, which still reinforces the importance of his ethnocultural identity. Disregarding this descriptor works against educating the reader about his historical significance. </p><p>Furthermore, User:2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24 and User:103.73.57.133 previously raised valid concerns about the removal of "Persian," and their arguments about the clarity and consistency with other pages were dismissed without sufficient engagement. </p><p>In summary, MOS does not apply here because Rumi's ethnocultural identity is directly related to his notability, just like other poets are labeled with their respective cultural or ethnic backgrounds. Ignoring this introduces unnecessary ambiguity and detracts from the integrity of the article. I urge for the term "Persian" to be reintroduced as part of his primary descriptor. </p><p>I would appreciate input from editors like User Bear, User , User , and User:2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24 to discuss this matter further and come to a resolution based on the available evidence. </p><p>Thank you for considering this request. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wikihero1994&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wikihero1994 (page does not exist)">Wikihero1994</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wikihero1994&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Wikihero1994 (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wikihero1994" title="Special:Contributions/Wikihero1994">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rumi#c-Wikihero1994-20241020105500-Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikihero1994-20241020105500-Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikihero1994-20241020105500-Request_to_Reinstate_Rumi's_Persian_Ethnocultural_Identity_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_November_2024"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_November_2024"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_November_2024"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rumi&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.spanglefish.com/maulana/">http://www.spanglefish.com/maulana/</a> </p><p>Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi, also known simply as Rumi, is a 13th-century poet and mystic who is often claimed by both Afghanistan and Iran. </p><p>Rumi was born in 1207 in the city of Balkh, which was part of the historical Khorasan region. Today, Balkh is within the borders of modern Afghanistan. Because of this, Afghans see Rumi as part of their cultural and historical heritage. Rumi’s birthplace in Afghanistan and the cultural influences from his early years in Balkh are fundamental reasons that Afghans consider him Afghan. </p><p>Rumi’s cultural identity also reflects the Persian language, as he wrote in Persian, a language historically shared by many regions, including present-day Afghanistan and Iran. However, his poetry and teachings draw from the traditions, culture, and spirituality of the entire Khorasan region, which included Afghanistan at that time. This shared heritage has led people from various countries to claim Rumi as their own, but from a geographical and historical standpoint, many see his birthplace in Balkh as a key reason to view him as Afghan. </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rumi&oldid=1256546517">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rumi&oldid=1256546517</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Former_good_article_nominees" title="Category:Former good article nominees">Former good article nominees</a></li><li><a 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