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class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WP_TOL_logo.png/35px-WP_TOL_logo.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WP_TOL_logo.png/53px-WP_TOL_logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WP_TOL_logo.png/70px-WP_TOL_logo.png 2x" data-file-width="1279" data-file-height="810" /></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life">Tree of Life</a> </td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WP_TOL_logo.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/WP_TOL_logo.png/140px-WP_TOL_logo.png" decoding="async" width="140" height="89" 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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a class="mw-selflink selflink">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Tree of Life</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Tree of Life</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">taxonomic</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475" /><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/40px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/80px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620" /></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This WikiProject was featured on the WikiProject report at <i>The Signpost</i> on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-12-26/WikiProject_report" class="extiw" title="wikipediawikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-12-26/WikiProject report">26 December 2011</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-12-27/WikiProject_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2019-12-27/WikiProject report">27 December 2019</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475" /> <table id="archivebox" role="presentation" class="tmbox tmbox-notice mbox-small" style="text-align: center; padding: 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_2" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 2">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_3" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 3">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_4" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 4">4</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_5" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 5">5</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_6" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 6">6</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_7" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 7">7</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_8" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 8">8</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_9" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 9">9</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_10" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 10">10</a><br /><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_11" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 11">11</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_12" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 12">12</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_13" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 13">13</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_14" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 14">14</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_15" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 15">15</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_16" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 16">16</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_17" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 17">17</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_18" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 18">18</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_19" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 19">19</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_20" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 20">20</a><br /><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_21" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 21">21</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_22" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 22">22</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_23" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 23">23</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_24" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 24">24</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_25" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 25">25</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_26" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 26">26</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_27" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 27">27</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_28" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 28">28</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_29" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 29">29</a>, <a 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_37" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 37">37</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_38" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 38">38</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_39" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 39">39</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_40" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 40">40</a><br /><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_41" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 41">41</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_42" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 42">42</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_43" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 43">43</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_44" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 44">44</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_45" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 45">45</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_46" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 46">46</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_47" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 47">47</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_48" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 48">48</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_49" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 49">49</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_50" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 50">50</a><br /><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_51" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 51">51</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_52" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 52">52</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_53" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 53">53</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_54" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 54">54</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_55" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 55">55</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_56" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 56">56</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/Archive_57" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 57">57</a>, <a 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Sections older than <b>45 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span>.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p><p><br /> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" /> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IUCN_critically_endangered_file" data-mw-thread-id="h-IUCN_critically_endangered_file-20250118181800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IUCN_critically_endangered_file-20250118181800"></span>IUCN critically endangered file<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IUCN_critically_endangered_file-20250118181800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: IUCN critically endangered file"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1264776157">.mw-parser-output .tracked{float:right;clear:right;margin:0 0 1em 1em;width:12em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);border-radius:2px;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive,#EAECF0);color:var(--color-base,#202122);font-size:85%;text-align:center;padding:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .tracked-url{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .tracked-closure{color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .tracked-resolved{color:var(--color-success,#14866d)}</style><div role="note" class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate">Tracked in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/" class="extiw" title="phabricator:">Phabricator</a><br /><span class="tracked-url"><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384128" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T384128"><span class="trakfab-T384128"> Task T384128</span></a></span><br /></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MtBotany-20250118181800-IUCN_critically_endangered_file"></span><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Status_iucn3.1_CR.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Status_iucn3.1_CR.svg/220px-Status_iucn3.1_CR.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="59" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Status_iucn3.1_CR.svg/330px-Status_iucn3.1_CR.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Status_iucn3.1_CR.svg/440px-Status_iucn3.1_CR.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="137" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>I have tried looking at the svg file that is displayed when a species is classified as critically endangered by the IUCN and is not displaying for me. I have tried looking at it on multiple devices using different browsers and using different ISPs (phone network and my home ISP). It is not showing up on any of them. There are no recent edits to the <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Status_iucn3.1_CR.svg">file on commons</a>, so I cannot imagine why this is happening. Is there anyone else for who the image at right is not showing up? <a href="/wiki/User:MtBotany" title="User:MtBotany">🌿<span style="color:#254c00">Mt</span><span style="color:#326500">B</span><span style="color:#3e7e00">o</span><span style="color:#4a9700">t</span><span style="color:#57b000">a</span><span style="color:#63ca00">n</span><span style="color:#70e300">y</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MtBotany" title="User talk:MtBotany">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-MtBotany-20250118181800-IUCN_critically_endangered_file" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MtBotany-20250118181800-IUCN_critically_endangered_file"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MtBotany-20250118181800-IUCN_critically_endangered_file"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IJReid-20250118194700-MtBotany-20250118181800"></span>The current and all old versions of the file are not visible for me either. I wonder if there were recent HTML/SVG rendering changes and the specific file now contains an error. <b><a href="/wiki/User:IJReid" title="User:IJReid">IJReid</a></b> <sup><small>{{<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IJReid#top" title="User talk:IJReid">T</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/IJReid" title="Special:Contributions/IJReid">C</a> - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DINO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DINO">D</a> - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TREEREQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TREEREQ">R</a>}}</small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-IJReid-20250118194700-MtBotany-20250118181800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IJReid-20250118194700-MtBotany-20250118181800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IJReid-20250118194700-MtBotany-20250118181800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MtBotany-20250118204200-IJReid-20250118194700"></span>The image file is displaying to the right for me. Where is it not showing or what skins/devices have the problem.?  — <span style="white-space: nowrap;font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;"> <a href="/wiki/User:Jts1882" title="User:Jts1882">Jts1882</a> |<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jts1882" title="User talk:Jts1882"> talk</a> </span> <dl><dd>I've tried looking at it on Firefox and Safari, using a Windows laptop, on an Android phone, and on an iPhone. I also tried clearing my cashe and restarting my computer. My account is using the default Vector (2022) skin responsive mode is enabled and so it limited width mode. I think those are all the defaults, I cannot recall that I changed anything. I'm accessing the next via the US. Anything else? Oh and I was just looking up another article, <a href="/wiki/Lise_Meitner" title="Lise Meitner">Lise Meitner</a>, and one of the svg files is not rendering there. But it is not all svg files. <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NuclearReaction.svg">link to NuclearReaction.svg</a>, not rendering for me, but <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner#/media/File:Lise_Meitner_signature.svg">link to Lise_Meitner_signature.svg</a> is showing up. The error message is "Sorry, the file cannot be displayed There seems to be a technical issue. You can retry if it persists. Error: could not load impage from <a class="external free" href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/NuclearReaction.svg/1024px-NuclearReaction.svg.png">https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/NuclearReaction.svg/1024px-NuclearReaction.svg.png</a>" Edit to add: since this seems to be wider than just one file maybe I should ask at the Teahouse? <a href="/wiki/User:MtBotany" title="User:MtBotany">🌿<span style="color:#254c00">Mt</span><span style="color:#326500">B</span><span style="color:#3e7e00">o</span><span style="color:#4a9700">t</span><span style="color:#57b000">a</span><span style="color:#63ca00">n</span><span style="color:#70e300">y</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MtBotany" title="User talk:MtBotany">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-MtBotany-20250118204200-IJReid-20250118194700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 18 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MtBotany-20250118204200-IJReid-20250118194700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MtBotany-20250118204200-IJReid-20250118194700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Starfish_conundrum" data-mw-thread-id="h-Starfish_conundrum-20250126170600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Starfish_conundrum-20250126170600"></span>Starfish conundrum<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Starfish_conundrum-20250126170600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Starfish conundrum"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20250126170600-Starfish_conundrum"></span>I've run into a problem with <a href="/wiki/Draft:List_of_starfish_in_New_Zealand" title="Draft:List of starfish in New Zealand">Draft:List of starfish in New Zealand</a>. The authors of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://dn790000.ca.archive.org/0/items/niwabiodiversitymemoir01172001/niwabiodiversitymemoir01172001.pdf">this</a> checklist/paper/document/thing take an exceedingly broad view of "New Zealand" – they include species found from <a href="/wiki/Lord_Howe_Island" title="Lord Howe Island">Lord Howe Island</a> and <a href="/wiki/Norfolk_Island" title="Norfolk Island">Norfolk Island</a>, which are patently not part of NZ. In the introduction they talk of <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-italic inline-quote-talk-marks">the New Zealand biogeographic region (24° to 57° S, 157° E to 167° W), including the <a href="/wiki/Exclusive_Economic_Zone" class="mw-redirect" title="Exclusive Economic Zone">Exclusive Economic Zone</a>...</q> The result is that some, even many, species included on their list are not what I'd call NZ starfish. For example <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=Asterina_anomala&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Asterina anomala (page does not exist)">Asterina anomala</a></i> is included on their checklist (see page 10), but on consulting its description (p. 164) we learn its distribution is <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704" /><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-italic inline-quote-talk-marks">Tropical Australia and Christmas Island. Recorded from Lord Howe Island</q>. The species has been moved to a different genus, but WoRMS <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=459522#distributions">[1]</a> corroborates this range. </p><p>So: should I prune out starfish that aren't actually found in New Zealand? The problem is that species distribution is of course rather messy. Or should I stick with their checklist and make the scope of the draft the "New Zealand biogeographic region", which I am 1) somewhat averse to doing, and 2) will probably really annoy the Australians. Thank you for any input. <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Cremastra-20250126170600-Starfish_conundrum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 26 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20250126170600-Starfish_conundrum"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20250126170600-Starfish_conundrum"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YorkshireExpat-20250126185700-Cremastra-20250126170600"></span>Those islands are Aussie. I say prune. Can always start a similar list for Australia. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YorkshireExpat&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YorkshireExpat (page does not exist)">YorkshireExpat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YorkshireExpat" title="User talk:YorkshireExpat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-YorkshireExpat-20250126185700-Cremastra-20250126170600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 26 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YorkshireExpat-20250126185700-Cremastra-20250126170600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YorkshireExpat-20250126185700-Cremastra-20250126170600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lavateraguy-20250126190700-Cremastra-20250126170600"></span>That "rectangle" also includes another Australian island, <a href="/wiki/Macquarie_Island" title="Macquarie Island">Macquarie Island</a>, and the barely above high tide <a href="/wiki/Elizabeth_Reef" title="Elizabeth Reef">Elizabeth Reef</a> and <a href="/wiki/Middleton_Reef" title="Middleton Reef">Middleton Reef</a>, the latter two lying north of Lord Howe Island [User:Lavateraguy|Lavateraguy]] (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lavateraguy" title="User talk:Lavateraguy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Lavateraguy-20250126190700-Cremastra-20250126170600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 26 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lavateraguy-20250126190700-Cremastra-20250126170600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lavateraguy-20250126190700-Cremastra-20250126170600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lavateraguy-20250126195500-Cremastra-20250126170600"></span>I wondered how the scope compared to <a href="/wiki/Zealandia" title="Zealandia">Zealandia</a> (and neighbouring ocean basins), but the Kermadec and Macquarie Ridges lie outside Zealandia, and the north west parts of Zealandia (<a href="/wiki/New_Caledonia" title="New Caledonia">New Caledonia</a> etc.) are excluded. New Zealand biogeographic region might not be a well-defined term, but I find <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.oneearth.org/realms/australasia/">one site</a> which places Lord Howe, Norfolk and Macquarie Islands within the New Zealand Subrealm. But terrestrial biogeographic realms don't apply to the ocean floor - I find a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ecosystem-guides.com/biogeographical-regions-of-the-world.html">site</a> which has the study area split between the Central Indo-Pacific, Temperate Australasia and Southern Ocean regions.</dd> <dd>It would be possible to prune for Lord Howe, Norfolk and Macquarie Islands, but there is also the possibility of abyssal species whose distribution lies outside the New Zealand EEZ. <a href="/wiki/User:Lavateraguy" title="User:Lavateraguy">Lavateraguy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lavateraguy" title="User talk:Lavateraguy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Lavateraguy-20250126195500-Cremastra-20250126170600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 26 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lavateraguy-20250126195500-Cremastra-20250126170600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lavateraguy-20250126195500-Cremastra-20250126170600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YorkshireExpat-20250126205500-Lavateraguy-20250126195500"></span>New Zealand is a political construct, and that's what I suspect most people would think of when confronted with the title. Therefore defining the scope as the EEZ makes sense to me. However, there seems to be some debate as to the <a href="/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone_of_New_Zealand" title="Exclusive economic zone of New Zealand">extent of that</a>?! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YorkshireExpat&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YorkshireExpat (page does not exist)">YorkshireExpat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YorkshireExpat" title="User talk:YorkshireExpat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-YorkshireExpat-20250126205500-Lavateraguy-20250126195500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 26 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YorkshireExpat-20250126205500-Lavateraguy-20250126195500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YorkshireExpat-20250126205500-Lavateraguy-20250126195500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snoteleks-20250127013900-YorkshireExpat-20250126205500"></span>I would actually suggest not using political constructs at all and instead using geographical names. I can give the following example as an argument. As someone who has been taught much of Spanish biology and biogeography, I know there is an <b>extremely important</b> difference between geographical and political terms: <ul><li>Geographical terms divide territories according to natural barriers, including ocean. Therefore, they are appropriate when talking about biological realms. E.g., "Iberian fauna" (pertaining to the entire <a href="/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula" title="Iberian Peninsula">Iberian Peninsula</a> exclusively), "Balearic fauna" (<a href="/wiki/Balearic_Islands" title="Balearic Islands">Balearic Islands</a>), "Canarian fauna" (<a href="/wiki/Canary_Islands" title="Canary Islands">Canary Islands</a>), "Macaronesian fauna" (<a href="/wiki/Macaronesia" title="Macaronesia">Macaronesia</a>, the archipelago composed by Canary, <a href="/wiki/Azores" title="Azores">Azores</a>, <a href="/wiki/Madeira" title="Madeira">Madeira</a> and <a href="/wiki/Cape_Verde" title="Cape Verde">Cape Verde</a> islands).</li> <li>Political terms divide territories according to artificial impermanent barriers imposed by humans, which do not define natural barriers most of the time. E.g., "Spanish fauna" (pertaining to only around 80% of the Peninsula + Balearic Islands and Canary Islands), "Portuguese fauna" (again, only part of the Peninsula + Azores and Madeira islands), etc. The mixture of fauna/flora from both the Peninsula and far away islands under the same label makes no sense unless it's within a national-level project, and even then it's discouraged (Spanish botanists know well enough to divide into Iberian flora, Balearic flora and Canarian flora, even when that entails mentioning Portuguese [aka non-Spanish] flora).</li></ul></dd> <dd>On some instances, such as "<a href="/wiki/Cape_Verde" title="Cape Verde">Cape Verde</a> fauna", geographical and political terminology is equivalent, but on most scenarios it is not, including Spain, Portugal, and New Zealand. Therefore I suggest we avoid use of political terminology when dealing with biogeography. Also, country borders change every decade, while biological realms do not. — <span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#8a4ff0"><a href="/wiki/User:Snoteleks" title="User:Snoteleks"><i><b><span style="color:#8a4ff0">Snoteleks</span></b></i></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snoteleks" title="User talk:Snoteleks"><i><span style="color:#8a4ff0">talk</span></i></a>)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Snoteleks-20250127013900-YorkshireExpat-20250126205500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 27 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snoteleks-20250127013900-YorkshireExpat-20250126205500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snoteleks-20250127013900-YorkshireExpat-20250126205500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20250127151100-Snoteleks-20250127013900"></span>You make a good point, but given the actual location of these islands, I think it's better to stick with the political construct – especially when the geographical term seems to be little-used.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/File:Lord_Howe_Island.PNG" title="File:Lord Howe Island.PNG">Here's</a> Lord Howe Island – looks like it's associated with Australia rather than New Zealand.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/File:Norfolk_Island_in_Australia.svg" title="File:Norfolk Island in Australia.svg">Norfolk Island</a> is trickier, but at this point it is easier for the reader to have the scope be "New Zealand", which they're familiar with, rather than some "<a href="/w/index.php?title=New_Zealand_biogeographical_region&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="New Zealand biogeographical region (page does not exist)">New Zealand biogeographical region</a>" with which they're not. In any case, this isn't a situation like the Iberian peninsula where there's an obviously-missing bit: it's just a matter of which islands to include and which not to. <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Cremastra-20250127151100-Snoteleks-20250127013900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 27 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20250127151100-Snoteleks-20250127013900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20250127151100-Snoteleks-20250127013900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snoteleks-20250127201500-Cremastra-20250127151100"></span>Yes, that seems more appropriate. It's better to separate notable (aka mentioned in biological literature) islands from other islands/continents. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I didn't mean to suggest some all-encompassing New Zealand realm, rather I wanted to suggest exactly that: dividing it into the different islands/archipelagos — <span style="font-family:Consolas;color:#8a4ff0"><a href="/wiki/User:Snoteleks" title="User:Snoteleks"><i><b><span style="color:#8a4ff0">Snoteleks</span></b></i></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snoteleks" title="User talk:Snoteleks"><i><span style="color:#8a4ff0">talk</span></i></a>)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Snoteleks-20250127201500-Cremastra-20250127151100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 27 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snoteleks-20250127201500-Cremastra-20250127151100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snoteleks-20250127201500-Cremastra-20250127151100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Categorisation_of_monotypic_genus_articles?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Categorisation_of_monotypic_genus_articles?-20250207012600"><span id="Categorisation_of_monotypic_genus_articles.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Categorisation_of_monotypic_genus_articles?-20250207012600"></span>Categorisation of monotypic genus articles?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Categorisation_of_monotypic_genus_articles?-20250207012600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Categorisation of monotypic genus articles?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ethmostigmus-20250207012600-Categorisation_of_monotypic_genus_articles?"></span>Just wondering how we should apply "[taxon] described in [year]" and "taxa described by [author]" categories to articles on monotypic genera, ie. articles that cover both a genus and its only species. If the sole species in the genus was described in 1758 by author A, but the genus was described in 1830 by author B, do we add both sets of categories, or only the categories relating to the description of the genus? If I remember correctly I believe <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MICRO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MICRO">WP:MICRO</a> categorises the species redirect with the relevant categories, but I'm not sure if that is an accepted practice in other areas. Currently working on cleaning up several monotypic spider genus articles and just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Ethmostigmus" title="User:Ethmostigmus">Ethmostigmus</a> 🌿 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ethmostigmus" title="User talk:Ethmostigmus">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ethmostigmus" title="Special:Contributions/Ethmostigmus">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Ethmostigmus-20250207012600-Categorisation_of_monotypic_genus_articles?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ethmostigmus-20250207012600-Categorisation_of_monotypic_genus_articles?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ethmostigmus-20250207012600-Categorisation_of_monotypic_genus_articles?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dyanega-20250207013800-Ethmostigmus-20250207012600"></span>Having the species redirect and genus articles each with their correct category seems appropriate to me, policy or not. <a href="/wiki/User:Dyanega" title="User:Dyanega">Dyanega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dyanega" title="User talk:Dyanega">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Dyanega-20250207013800-Ethmostigmus-20250207012600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:38, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dyanega-20250207013800-Ethmostigmus-20250207012600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dyanega-20250207013800-Ethmostigmus-20250207012600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250207034800-Dyanega-20250207013800"></span>I think that's current practice. It means you can't use the species category tree to navigate <i>from</i> the articles, but at least it does mean that via redirects you can use the category to navigate <i>to</i> the articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250207034800-Dyanega-20250207013800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250207034800-Dyanega-20250207013800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250207034800-Dyanega-20250207013800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20250207112100-Chipmunkdavis-20250207034800"></span>I agree. Also note that when the genus name needs disambiguating so the article is at the name of the sole species, the same logic applies: the article and redirect are categorized according to their titles. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Peter_coxhead-20250207112100-Chipmunkdavis-20250207034800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:21, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20250207112100-Chipmunkdavis-20250207034800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20250207112100-Chipmunkdavis-20250207034800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YorkshireExpat-20250207155600-Dyanega-20250207013800"></span>This is what I do. I've had some people get shirty about categories on redirects though. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YorkshireExpat&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YorkshireExpat (page does not exist)">YorkshireExpat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YorkshireExpat" title="User talk:YorkshireExpat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-YorkshireExpat-20250207155600-Dyanega-20250207013800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YorkshireExpat-20250207155600-Dyanega-20250207013800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YorkshireExpat-20250207155600-Dyanega-20250207013800"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOMPATIBLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INCOMPATIBLE"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Plantdrew-20250207210600-Dyanega-20250207013800"></span>WP:INCOMPATIBLE</a> is the shortcut to a section of the guideline that deals with this. There isn't a taxonomic example given there, but there is an example covering a grouping of fictional organisms belonging to two different species. <a href="/wiki/User:Plantdrew" title="User:Plantdrew">Plantdrew</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plantdrew" title="User talk:Plantdrew">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Plantdrew-20250207210600-Dyanega-20250207013800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Plantdrew-20250207210600-Dyanega-20250207013800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Plantdrew-20250207210600-Dyanega-20250207013800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ethmostigmus-20250209083500-Dyanega-20250207013800"></span>Thanks all for the input! <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOMPATIBLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INCOMPATIBLE">WP:INCOMPATIBLE</a> seems to apply well here - should this be mentioned/linked in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MONOTYPICFAUNA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MONOTYPICFAUNA">WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA</a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MONOTYPICFLORA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MONOTYPICFLORA">WP:MONOTYPICFLORA</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Ethmostigmus" title="User:Ethmostigmus">Ethmostigmus</a> 🌿 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ethmostigmus" title="User talk:Ethmostigmus">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ethmostigmus" title="Special:Contributions/Ethmostigmus">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Ethmostigmus-20250209083500-Dyanega-20250207013800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ethmostigmus-20250209083500-Dyanega-20250207013800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ethmostigmus-20250209083500-Dyanega-20250207013800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Phylogeny_posters_as_resources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Phylogeny_posters_as_resources-20250208131900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Phylogeny_posters_as_resources-20250208131900"></span>Phylogeny posters as resources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Phylogeny_posters_as_resources-20250208131900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Phylogeny posters as resources"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jts1882-20250208131900-Phylogeny_posters_as_resources"></span>Many of you will be aware of the Angiosperm Phylogeny Poster and other plant phylogeny posters. Some may not be aware of the posters for plant orders and families. There is now a hyperlinked summary of all the plant posters, with links to the different language versions: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344193089_Plant_Phylogeny_Posters_PPP_TOTAL_LIST_-_all_poster_titles_and_languages_with_links">Plant_Phylogeny_Posters_PPP_TOTAL_LIST</a>. </p><p>There are also some new animals ones, for birds, mammals, primates, snakes, hexapods and spiders. The hyperlinked list is at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/374919613_Animal_Phylogeny_Posters_AnimalPPs_TOTAL_LIST_-_all_poster_titles_and_languages_with_links">Animal_Phylogeny_Posters_AnimalPPs_TOTAL_LIST</a>. </p><p>While I don't think they are appropriate for referencing articles, I find them a useful tool for getting a quick reminder of the relationships. Most give the source for the work.  — <span style="white-space: nowrap;font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;"> <a href="/wiki/User:Jts1882" title="User:Jts1882">Jts1882</a> |<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jts1882" title="User talk:Jts1882"> talk</a> </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Jts1882-20250208131900-Phylogeny_posters_as_resources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jts1882-20250208131900-Phylogeny_posters_as_resources"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jts1882-20250208131900-Phylogeny_posters_as_resources"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Ptenothrix_species_4"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Ptenothrix_species_4"-20250213104200"><span id=".22Ptenothrix_species_4.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Ptenothrix_species_4"-20250213104200"></span>"Ptenothrix species 4"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Ptenothrix_species_4"-20250213104200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: "Ptenothrix species 4""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elmidae-20250213104200-"Ptenothrix_species_4""></span>Is <a href="/wiki/Ptenothrix_species_4" title="Ptenothrix species 4">that</a> a validly described species? BugGuide has it as <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bugguide.net/node/view/1940422/tree">"sp.4 at collembola.org"</a>, which is even funkier. There seem to be 21 of these species in the genus (at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.collembola.org/taxa/pteninae.htm">Collembola.org</a>). Are these placeholder names, or did Janssens & pals run out of ideas for names, or what...? --<span style="font-family:Courier"><a href="/wiki/User:Elmidae" title="User:Elmidae">Elmidae</a></span> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elmidae" title="User talk:Elmidae">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elmidae" title="Special:Contributions/Elmidae">contribs</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Elmidae-20250213104200-"Ptenothrix_species_4"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elmidae-20250213104200-"Ptenothrix_species_4""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elmidae-20250213104200-"Ptenothrix_species_4""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lavateraguy-20250213113800-Elmidae-20250213104200"></span>It's a placeholder name. One would need to check the original literature to be sure, but I suspect that the numbering may originate with collembola.org. There are cases where placeholder names are used consistently, unambiguously, and in multiple sources, such as sp. "locality" or sp. "identifying trait" (some plant examples might even have wikipedia pages), but sp. "letter" or sp. "number" are less likely to be consistently used.</dd> <dd>The page would need a taxobox. <a href="/wiki/User:Lavateraguy" title="User:Lavateraguy">Lavateraguy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lavateraguy" title="User talk:Lavateraguy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Lavateraguy-20250213113800-Elmidae-20250213104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:38, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lavateraguy-20250213113800-Elmidae-20250213104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lavateraguy-20250213113800-Elmidae-20250213104200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dyanega-20250213154800-Lavateraguy-20250213113800"></span>I thought we had (though maybe not in this talk) discussed before whether an organism with no scientific name should or should not be given a taxobox, and the consensus was to <b>not</b> do so, if only because it creates the false impression that the taxon name is accepted by the scientific community. Something that is a "placeholder" name can be an article title, but it really shouldn't be placed in italics, or given a taxobox. If it eventually is given a name, then the existing article can be moved and edited accordingly. <a href="/wiki/User:Dyanega" title="User:Dyanega">Dyanega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dyanega" title="User talk:Dyanega">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Dyanega-20250213154800-Lavateraguy-20250213113800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dyanega-20250213154800-Lavateraguy-20250213113800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dyanega-20250213154800-Lavateraguy-20250213113800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jts1882-20250213160700-Dyanega-20250213154800"></span>According to <i>collembola.org</i> "Ptenothrix species 1" was described in 1969 and "Ptenothrix species 4" in 2008. That's a long time to keep a placeholder. "Ptenothrix species 3" has six forms. CoL has <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.catalogueoflife.org/data/browse?taxonKey=74JN">80 <i>Ptenothrix</i> species</a> and doesn't list these placeholders. None of the species have Janssens or Moorehead as author.  — <span style="white-space: nowrap;font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;"> <a href="/wiki/User:Jts1882" title="User:Jts1882">Jts1882</a> |<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jts1882" title="User talk:Jts1882"> talk</a> </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Jts1882-20250213160700-Dyanega-20250213154800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jts1882-20250213160700-Dyanega-20250213154800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jts1882-20250213160700-Dyanega-20250213154800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Plantdrew-20250213170700-Jts1882-20250213160700"></span>There are <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?edits%5Bbots%5D=both&templates_yes=&language=en&labels_yes=&page_image=any&ns%5B0%5D=1&namespace_conversion=keep&categories=Undescribed+species&links_to_all=&sortby=title&templates_any=&source_combination=&labels_no=&referrer_url=&edits%5Banons%5D=both&manual_list_wiki=&pagepile=&links_to_no=&cb_labels_yes_l=1&interface_language=en&wpiu=any&show_disambiguation_pages=both&templates_no=&cb_labels_no_l=1&langs_labels_yes=&cb_labels_any_l=1&subpage_filter=either&larger=&search_max_results=500&ores_prob_to=&min_redlink_count=1&active_tab=tab_output&depth=6&common_wiki_other=&sparql=&max_sitelink_count=&after=&manual_list=&project=wikipedia&wikidata_source_sites=&outlinks_any=&sortorder=ascending&output_limit=&links_to_any=&doit=">207 articles</a> under <a href="/wiki/Category:Undescribed_species" title="Category:Undescribed species">Category:Undescribed species</a>. 178 have a Taxobox, Speciesbox or an Automatic taxobox (Automatic taxobox should be preferred as it supports <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|Species text=</code> and <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|Binomial text=</code>, which allow the "species" to displayed unitalicized).</dd> <dd>I would have no problem deleting most of the undescribed species. But it might be useful to distinguish between undescribed species that have a placeholder "designation" (<a href="/wiki/Boswellia_sp._A" title="Boswellia sp. A">Boswellia sp. A</a>, <a href="/wiki/Gen._nov._70,_sp._1" title="Gen. nov. 70, sp. 1">Gen. nov. 70, sp. 1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Heliotropium_aff._wagneri" title="Heliotropium aff. wagneri">Heliotropium aff. wagneri</a>) and those that have a placeholder "name" (<a href="/wiki/Eremophila_glabra_subsp._South_Coast" title="Eremophila glabra subsp. South Coast">Eremophila glabra subsp. South coast (A. Chapman AC 15)</a>). Some Polbot created articles sourced to IUCN have "names", but others have designations. Australian sources for undescribed species often have pretty robust "names", that will usually be cited as synonyms in Australian taxonomic databases once the species is described, and there is often a suggestion of a potential type specimen (e.g. (A. Chapman AC 15)). <a href="/wiki/User:Plantdrew" title="User:Plantdrew">Plantdrew</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plantdrew" title="User talk:Plantdrew">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Plantdrew-20250213170700-Jts1882-20250213160700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Plantdrew-20250213170700-Jts1882-20250213160700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Plantdrew-20250213170700-Jts1882-20250213160700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lavateraguy-20250213164900-Dyanega-20250213154800"></span>There is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NSPECIES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NSPECIES">WP:NSPECIES</a>; there was discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:NSPECIES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:NSPECIES">WT:NSPECIES</a> towards the end of last year. Neither seems to be specific about species that are not formally described, but I would expect that they have to meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. I've invited that article creator to join this discussion. The discussion about taxoboxes may have been elsewhere <a href="/wiki/User:Lavateraguy" title="User:Lavateraguy">Lavateraguy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lavateraguy" title="User talk:Lavateraguy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Lavateraguy-20250213164900-Dyanega-20250213154800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lavateraguy-20250213164900-Dyanega-20250213154800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lavateraguy-20250213164900-Dyanega-20250213154800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lark999-20250213175500-Dyanega-20250213154800"></span>I agree with this here. I think personally that placeholders should be fine until transfer as well. Additionally I know of a dude that is currently going over the species and attempting to get them described. (he is trying to go after species 6 first and species 3 and 4 later on because they are complicated...)</dd> <dd>In general for Ptenothrix in specific- the scientific community has a consensus to use the placeholders until further evidence is presented. if you go to any citizen science site (iNaturalist for example) people will be defining species to genus but at the same time marking them up as said species. I can verifiy that these species do exist- as I personally encounter Ptenothrix species 3 in almost all its variations on a regular basis. It exists and is scientifically used therefore I believe we should at least share the information about its valid existence. I also agree that they shouldn't need speciesboxes- it looks funky. <a href="/wiki/User:Lark999" title="User:Lark999">Lark999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lark999" title="User talk:Lark999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Lark999-20250213175500-Dyanega-20250213154800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lark999-20250213175500-Dyanega-20250213154800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lark999-20250213175500-Dyanega-20250213154800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250213183000-Elmidae-20250213104200"></span>Up for deletion, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ptenothrix_species_4" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ptenothrix species 4">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ptenothrix species 4</a> and another AfD about a not formally described species, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bosavi_woolly_rat" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bosavi woolly rat">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bosavi woolly rat</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Hemiauchenia" title="User:Hemiauchenia">Hemiauchenia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hemiauchenia" title="User talk:Hemiauchenia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Hemiauchenia-20250213183000-Elmidae-20250213104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250213183000-Elmidae-20250213104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hemiauchenia-20250213183000-Elmidae-20250213104200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_Cultivar" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Cultivar-20250216035400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Cultivar-20250216035400"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/Cultivar" title="Cultivar">Cultivar</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Cultivar-20250216035400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for Cultivar"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Cultivar" title="Cultivar"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20250216035400-Good_article_reassessment_for_Cultivar"></span>Cultivar</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Cultivar/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Cultivar/1">reassessment page</a>. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Z1720-20250216035400-Good_article_reassessment_for_Cultivar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20250216035400-Good_article_reassessment_for_Cultivar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20250216035400-Good_article_reassessment_for_Cultivar"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_genera_in_Sepiidae,_splitting_Genus_Sepia" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_genera_in_Sepiidae,_splitting_Genus_Sepia-20250218051200"><span id="New_genera_in_Sepiidae.2C_splitting_Genus_Sepia"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_genera_in_Sepiidae,_splitting_Genus_Sepia-20250218051200"></span>New genera in Sepiidae, splitting Genus <i>Sepia</i><span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_genera_in_Sepiidae,_splitting_Genus_Sepia-20250218051200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: New genera in Sepiidae, splitting Genus Sepia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anthropophoca-20250218051200-New_genera_in_Sepiidae,_splitting_Genus_Sepia"></span>Modified from <a href="/wiki/Talk:Sepiidae#Reclassification" title="Talk:Sepiidae">Talk:Sepiidae#Reclassification</a>: </p><p>A <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00227-023-04195-3">paper</a> by <a href="/wiki/Kubodera" class="mw-redirect" title="Kubodera">Kubodera</a> et. al. has proposed a new classification schema for this <a href="/wiki/Sepiidae" title="Sepiidae">family</a>, which has been accepted by <a href="/wiki/WoRMS" class="mw-redirect" title="WoRMS">WoRMS</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=11723">,</a> its child project MolluscaBase, <a href="/wiki/SeaLifeBase" title="SeaLifeBase">SeaLifeBase</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.sealifebase.ca/summary/FamilySummary.php?ID=1897">,</a> and <a href="/wiki/INaturalist" title="INaturalist">iNat</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/67960-Sepiidae">.</a> However i'm not aware if this is accepted as consensus by malacologists and therefore whether the pages and associated taxoboxes should be amended. Does anyone else have a better idea on this? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Anthropophoca&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Anthropophoca (page does not exist)">Anthropophoca</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anthropophoca" title="User talk:Anthropophoca">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Anthropophoca-20250218051200-New_genera_in_Sepiidae,_splitting_Genus_Sepia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anthropophoca-20250218051200-New_genera_in_Sepiidae,_splitting_Genus_Sepia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anthropophoca-20250218051200-New_genera_in_Sepiidae,_splitting_Genus_Sepia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jts1882-20250218071900-Anthropophoca-20250218051200"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Gastropods" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gastropods">Gastropod Project</a> follows WoRMS/MolluscaBase as its guideline taxonomy (i.e. for determining articles and taxobox classification), so I think updating the articles to reflect the new classification would get consensus.  — <span style="white-space: nowrap;font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;"> <a href="/wiki/User:Jts1882" title="User:Jts1882">Jts1882</a> |<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jts1882" title="User talk:Jts1882"> talk</a> </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Jts1882-20250218071900-Anthropophoca-20250218051200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:19, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jts1882-20250218071900-Anthropophoca-20250218051200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jts1882-20250218071900-Anthropophoca-20250218051200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="History_merge_needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-History_merge_needed-20250218155400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-History_merge_needed-20250218155400"></span>History merge needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-History_merge_needed-20250218155400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: History merge needed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kevmin-20250218155400-History_merge_needed"></span>Is there anyone with the ability to merge page histories that can clean up the cut-paste move reversion that <a href="/wiki/User:Bubblesorg" title="User:Bubblesorg">Bubblesorg</a> did on <i><a href="/wiki/Sequoia_dakotensis" title="Sequoia dakotensis">Sequoia dakotensis</a></i>? The first half of the page history is at <i><a href="/wiki/Sequoites_dakotensis" class="mw-redirect" title="Sequoites dakotensis">Sequoites dakotensis</a></i> but the second half is now at <i>Sequoia dakotensis</i>. The article will preferably to end up at <i>Sequoites dakotensis</i> given that while genus placement is divided in the literature between the two, recent papers/books are in agreement that the taxon actually belongs to <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=Parataxodium&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Parataxodium (page does not exist)">Parataxodium</a></i> and it will eventually need a redescription and genus update. While we wait its better to have the article at the cupressaceous form genus rather than the <a href="/wiki/Orthotaxon" class="mw-redirect" title="Orthotaxon">orthotaxon</a>. Thanks!--<a href="/wiki/User:Kevmin" title="User:Kevmin"><span style="color: #120A8F;">Kev</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kevmin" title="User talk:Kevmin"><span style="color: #228B22;">min</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kevmin" title="Special:Contributions/Kevmin">§</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Kevmin-20250218155400-History_merge_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kevmin-20250218155400-History_merge_needed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kevmin-20250218155400-History_merge_needed"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_elephant_stubs" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_elephant_stubs-20250220144900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_elephant_stubs-20250220144900"></span>New elephant stubs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_elephant_stubs-20250220144900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: New elephant stubs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Rose-Tu" title="Rose-Tu"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Another_Believer-20250220144900-New_elephant_stubs"></span>Rose-Tu</a> and <a href="/wiki/Tula-Tu" class="mw-redirect" title="Tula-Tu">Tula-Tu</a> ---<a href="/wiki/User:Another_Believer" title="User:Another Believer"><span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span></a> <sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Another_Believer" title="User talk:Another Believer"><span style="color:#C60">Talk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Another_Believer-20250220144900-New_elephant_stubs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 20 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Another_Believer-20250220144900-New_elephant_stubs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Another_Believer-20250220144900-New_elephant_stubs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250221031200-Another_Believer-20250220144900"></span>Timely, I wonder if any Wikipedian will be on hand for Tula-Tu's public debut (tomorrow in Oregon's local time). <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250221031200-Another_Believer-20250220144900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 21 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250221031200-Another_Believer-20250220144900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250221031200-Another_Believer-20250220144900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_Move_at_Talk:Gunnison_Grouse" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_Move_at_Talk:Gunnison_Grouse-20250224185200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_Move_at_Talk:Gunnison_Grouse-20250224185200"></span>Requested Move at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Gunnison_Grouse" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Gunnison Grouse">Talk:Gunnison Grouse</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_Move_at_Talk:Gunnison_Grouse-20250224185200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Requested Move at Talk:Gunnison Grouse"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Somatochlora-20250224185200-Requested_Move_at_Talk:Gunnison_Grouse"></span>I'm hoping to get some more eyes on the move request here. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Somatochlora" title="User:Somatochlora">Somatochlora</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Somatochlora" title="User talk:Somatochlora">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Somatochlora-20250224185200-Requested_Move_at_Talk:Gunnison_Grouse" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Somatochlora-20250224185200-Requested_Move_at_Talk:Gunnison_Grouse"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Somatochlora-20250224185200-Requested_Move_at_Talk:Gunnison_Grouse"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Authority_of_Mandibulata" data-mw-thread-id="h-Authority_of_Mandibulata-20250301194700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Authority_of_Mandibulata-20250301194700"></span>Authority of Mandibulata<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Authority_of_Mandibulata-20250301194700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Authority of Mandibulata"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250301194700-Authority_of_Mandibulata"></span>I've been looking, but I can't find the authority of the major arthropod clade <a href="/wiki/Mandibulata" title="Mandibulata">Mandibulata</a>. The origin of the current definition of the concept seems to go back to RE Snodgrass's 1938 work "Evolution of the Annelida, Onychophora and Arthropoda", but the name Mandibulata seems to have been already used for insects in the 19th century. Help would be appreciated. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Hemiauchenia" title="User:Hemiauchenia">Hemiauchenia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hemiauchenia" title="User talk:Hemiauchenia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Hemiauchenia-20250301194700-Authority_of_Mandibulata" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 1 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250301194700-Authority_of_Mandibulata"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hemiauchenia-20250301194700-Authority_of_Mandibulata"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YorkshireExpat-20250301210700-Hemiauchenia-20250301194700"></span>Do you mean Snodgrass? Seems legit, see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://academic.oup.com/jcb/article-abstract/21/4/1084/2679926">here</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://entomologia.rediris.es/sea/bol/vol26/s2/articulo/">here</a> (if my Spanish is any good). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.gbif.org/species/100347520">GBIF</a> also agrees. Seems that he had <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/handle/10088/71727/Snodgrass_1922_148-152.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y">already</a> used the term himself. Are you referring to other even earlier usages? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YorkshireExpat&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YorkshireExpat (page does not exist)">YorkshireExpat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YorkshireExpat" title="User talk:YorkshireExpat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-YorkshireExpat-20250301210700-Hemiauchenia-20250301194700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 1 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YorkshireExpat-20250301210700-Hemiauchenia-20250301194700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YorkshireExpat-20250301210700-Hemiauchenia-20250301194700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250301211700-YorkshireExpat-20250301210700"></span>Yes, whoops corrected. On scholar I'm seeing references to "Mandibulata" going back to the 19th century <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=Mandibulata&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=any&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=1938&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5">[2]</a>, not sure if this those are just spurious results though. <a href="/wiki/User:Hemiauchenia" title="User:Hemiauchenia">Hemiauchenia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hemiauchenia" title="User talk:Hemiauchenia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Hemiauchenia-20250301211700-YorkshireExpat-20250301210700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 1 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250301211700-YorkshireExpat-20250301210700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hemiauchenia-20250301211700-YorkshireExpat-20250301210700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Louis_Agassiz" title="Louis Agassiz"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250301212100-Hemiauchenia-20250301211700"></span>Louis Agassiz</a> seems to use it for at least some insects in this 1850 book for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=WB3FjzQOaFAC&oi=fnd&pg=PA3&dq=info:IZjz-LCzxRsJ:scholar.google.com/&ots=LnfOC-8LNt&sig=T_pnuWi7dBeB-CZ0EzzihdsVdOI&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false">[3]</a>. If a clade gets redefined it still retains it's original authority, for example <a href="/wiki/Elasmobranchii" title="Elasmobranchii">Elasmobranchii</a> when originally defined by Bonaparte in 1838 was equivalent to modern <a href="/wiki/Chondrichthyes" title="Chondrichthyes">Chondrichthyes</a>, but was later redefined to represent a subgroup, but still retains Bonaparte as authority. That GBIF is explicitly stated to be drawn from German Wikipedia, which I do not think is an authoritative source. <a href="/wiki/User:Hemiauchenia" title="User:Hemiauchenia">Hemiauchenia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hemiauchenia" title="User talk:Hemiauchenia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Hemiauchenia-20250301212100-Hemiauchenia-20250301211700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 1 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250301212100-Hemiauchenia-20250301211700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hemiauchenia-20250301212100-Hemiauchenia-20250301211700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IJReid-20250301231400-Hemiauchenia-20250301212100"></span>It is attributed to Clairville by Macleary 1821 <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/104500#page/336/mode/1up">[4]</a> so that is probably a good place to start. <b><a href="/wiki/User:IJReid" title="User:IJReid">IJReid</a></b> <sup><small>{{<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IJReid#top" title="User talk:IJReid">T</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/IJReid" title="Special:Contributions/IJReid">C</a> - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DINO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DINO">D</a> - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TREEREQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TREEREQ">R</a>}}</small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-IJReid-20250301231400-Hemiauchenia-20250301212100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 1 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IJReid-20250301231400-Hemiauchenia-20250301212100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IJReid-20250301231400-Hemiauchenia-20250301212100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IJReid-20250301231700-IJReid-20250301231400"></span>Which would appear to be <a href="/wiki/Joseph_Philippe_de_Clairville" title="Joseph Philippe de Clairville">Joseph Philippe de Clairvilles</a> 1798 book on entomology, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/53504#page/50/mode/1up">page 44</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:IJReid" title="User:IJReid">IJReid</a></b> <sup><small>{{<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IJReid#top" title="User talk:IJReid">T</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/IJReid" title="Special:Contributions/IJReid">C</a> - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DINO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DINO">D</a> - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TREEREQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TREEREQ">R</a>}}</small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-IJReid-20250301231700-IJReid-20250301231400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 1 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IJReid-20250301231700-IJReid-20250301231400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IJReid-20250301231700-IJReid-20250301231400"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20220504171347/http://www.insecta.bio.spbu.ru/z/nom/Mandibulata.htm"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Monster_Iestyn-20250302233600-IJReid-20250301231700"></span>According to Kluge's nomina circumscribentia website</a> (which appears to be down currently), Clairville, 1798 is the earliest to use the name Mandibulata, but used only for certain groups of insects (as already mentioned), while Snodgrass's 1935 "Principles of insect morphology" is apparently the first to use the current definition of Crustacea+Myriapoda+Hexapoda. <a href="/wiki/User:Monster_Iestyn" title="User:Monster Iestyn">Monster Iestyn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Monster_Iestyn" title="User talk:Monster Iestyn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Monster_Iestyn-20250302233600-IJReid-20250301231700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 2 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Monster_Iestyn-20250302233600-IJReid-20250301231700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Monster_Iestyn-20250302233600-IJReid-20250301231700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250302234600-Monster_Iestyn-20250302233600"></span>Did Snodgrass acknowledge the original Clairville authority? Who should I attribute the authority to, Snodgrass or Clairville? <a href="/wiki/User:Hemiauchenia" title="User:Hemiauchenia">Hemiauchenia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hemiauchenia" title="User talk:Hemiauchenia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Hemiauchenia-20250302234600-Monster_Iestyn-20250302233600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 2 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250302234600-Monster_Iestyn-20250302233600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hemiauchenia-20250302234600-Monster_Iestyn-20250302233600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Monster_Iestyn-20250303000600-Hemiauchenia-20250302234600"></span>So far as I can tell, no, he didn't. (Snodgrass's work is fully available on Internet Archive <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.50045/mode/2up">[5]</a>, if you want to check for yourself; Mandibulata's chapter starts at page 8) I don't really know who it should be attributed to, as both Clairville (1798) and Snodgrass (either 1935 or 1938) are credited as the authority by different sources. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://journals.ku.edu/InvertebratePaleo/article/view/5624">Treatise on Invertebrate Paleontology Part Q (Arthropoda 3, Crustacea, Ostracoda)</a> (1961) for instance prefers using Clairville, 1798 with a note saying it was emended, while a number of results on Googles Books appear for "Mandibulata Snodgrass" (annoyingly all of these are snippet view only, at least for me). <a href="/wiki/User:Monster_Iestyn" title="User:Monster Iestyn">Monster Iestyn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Monster_Iestyn" title="User talk:Monster Iestyn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Monster_Iestyn-20250303000600-Hemiauchenia-20250302234600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 3 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Monster_Iestyn-20250303000600-Hemiauchenia-20250302234600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Monster_Iestyn-20250303000600-Hemiauchenia-20250302234600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900-Monster_Iestyn-20250303000600"></span>Maybe @<a href="/wiki/User:Dyanega" title="User:Dyanega">Dyanega</a> has a better idea, though I know the ICZN rules are much looser above family level names. <a href="/wiki/User:Hemiauchenia" title="User:Hemiauchenia">Hemiauchenia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hemiauchenia" title="User talk:Hemiauchenia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900-Monster_Iestyn-20250303000600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 3 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900-Monster_Iestyn-20250303000600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900-Monster_Iestyn-20250303000600"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dyanega-20250303184200-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900"></span>The ICZN does not regulate names above superfamily at all; for dates or authorships or spellings, it's a proverbial wild west show. ;-) <a href="/wiki/User:Dyanega" title="User:Dyanega">Dyanega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dyanega" title="User talk:Dyanega">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-Dyanega-20250303184200-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 3 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dyanega-20250303184200-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dyanega-20250303184200-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IJReid-20250303005900-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900"></span>If the rules everywhere throughout biology are the same (which I do think they are), Mandibulate Clairville, 1798 is the authority of the name, with Mandibulata Clairville, 1798 sensu Snodgrass, 1935 being a more "complete" attribution for the use as a clade for all insects with mandibles. The ICZN doesn't even try and provide rules for suprafamiliar clades such as this, and I don't think Phylocode has really been alive long enough if it is even applied at all within invertebrates. Clairville, 1798 should be seen as the authority for the name even if some studies incorrectly cite otherwise. <b><a href="/wiki/User:IJReid" title="User:IJReid">IJReid</a></b> <sup><small>{{<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IJReid#top" title="User talk:IJReid">T</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/IJReid" title="Special:Contributions/IJReid">C</a> - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DINO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DINO">D</a> - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TREEREQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TREEREQ">R</a>}}</small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#c-IJReid-20250303005900-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 3 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IJReid-20250303005900-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IJReid-20250303005900-Hemiauchenia-20250303000900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&oldid=1278645361">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life&oldid=1278645361</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Project-Class_taxonomic_pages" title="Category:Project-Class taxonomic pages">Project-Class taxonomic pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_taxonomic_pages" title="Category:NA-importance taxonomic pages">NA-importance taxonomic pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Tree of Life articles">WikiProject Tree of Life articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 3 March 2025, at 18:42<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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