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While it has been reviewed by human transcribers, it may contain errors. Please review the episode audio before quoting from this transcript and email transcripts@nytimes.com with any questions.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">From The New York Times, I’m Michael Barbaro. This is “The Daily.”</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Last Tuesday, voters across the country approved measures to protect abortion rights while rejecting the presidential candidate who claimed to champion those same rights.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Today, my colleague, Kate Zernike, explains that gap and what it tells us about the new politics of abortion.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">It’s Tuesday, November 12th.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Kate, so much of the focus on Election Day was, quite naturally, on the race for President. And I think, as a result, a lot of us, and, here, I’m guilty myself, didn’t quite understand how much abortion is on the ballot, and literally, not in that spiritual way that we sometimes talk about in political reporting that something is on the ballot. No, this was actually on the ballot.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s right. So in 10 states, and pretty diverse states across the country, there were amendments on the ballot to establish abortion rights in the state constitution. This was a record number of ballot measures on abortion. In seven of those 10 states, those amendments won.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So, quick math, that’s a 70 percent victory rate in all of these states and has to be seen as a very big win for abortion rights.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Absolutely. And this is really the biggest victory for abortion rights groups since “Roe” was overturned 2 and 1/2 years ago.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">OK, and just explain how these 10 measures ended up on so many of these state ballots at the exact same time.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Between the time of “Roe” in 1973 and “Dobbs,” ballot measures were actually something that anti-abortion groups used to their advantage. So there were 44 in that time period, almost 50 years. And only four of them were put forward by abortion rights groups.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So, basically, ballot initiatives have been a tool of anti-abortion forces.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Absolutely. That’s even true coming out of “Dobbs,” the decision where the Supreme Court overturned “Roe v. Wade.” Anti-abortion groups know that, under “Dobbs,” the question of how you regulate abortion is going to go back to the States.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So they think, we’re going to continue this playbook. We’re going to have all these abortion ballot measures to ban abortion in the States. So the first place we see this is in Kansas in August of 2022, which is two months after “Dobbs.” Anti-abortion groups have put a measure on the ballot saying, there is no right to abortion in the state constitution. And they think they’re going to sweep this. They think this is a given. It’s going to be a sleepy August election. Nobody’s going to turn out, except for their voters. And they’ll win.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. And, as you said, history is on their side when it comes to ballot initiatives restricting abortion.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s right.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It turns out, abortion rights groups really rally their supporters to work against this ballot amendment. And it fails in August. So abortion rights groups look at Kansas and think, wow, we got a ton of support there. Maybe these ballot measures can actually be a way of establishing abortion rights and guaranteeing abortion access in other states.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so, they begin to put measures on the ballot in the midterms of 2022. And by the end of that year, we see, really, a winning streak for the abortion rights side. They’ve won six out of six ballot measures. The next year, they try for Ohio, the first real red state. They win Ohio. So, now, going to this year and the presidential contest, abortion rights groups are seven for seven.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And just to be very clear about what it is we’re talking about here that’s happening in the seven states you just mentioned, increasingly after Kansas, and correct me if I’m wrong, these are efforts to put something in a state’s constitution that protects abortion and therefore means that, if a Republican legislature in the state decides to try to restrict it, they can’t. A judge would look at the constitution and say, you just can’t do that. The voters in the state have said, this is a right. Therefore, they’d strike down any legislative effort to ban abortion.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s right. And most of these measures are establishing a right to abortion until viability, which is the time in pregnancy when a fetus can survive outside the uterus. That’s actually the standard that was in “Roe v. Wade.” And most of the states also say that, after that point, the legislature can regulate abortion. But they can’t prohibit women from getting abortions if they need them in a medical emergency. So essentially, what all of these ballot measures are doing is restoring “Roe,” but in the state constitution, instead of having it in the federal constitution.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Fascinating. So let’s turn to the mechanics of the 2024 ballot initiatives and the plan to extend this abortion rights winning streak to a much broader set of states, with the reality, of course, that must have been in the back of everyone’s head, that 2024 was different because it’s a presidential year.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. It’s the first presidential year post -“Dobbs.” So there are two ways of looking at this. And those two ways do overlap. And the first is that abortion rights groups are looking at all these states where, post -“Dobbs,” there are bans on abortion, and thinking, these ballot measures can be a way of restoring abortion access. Democrats, meanwhile, are looking at how abortion has galvanized all these voters.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">The lesson coming out of the 2022 midterms was that the candidates of abortion rights won. The Democrats headed off the red wave in the House of Representatives. Anti-abortion candidates lost in a couple of states. And they’re thinking, OK, we can use this issue to power victories for our candidates who stand for abortion rights, and Democrats in particular. This is really going to galvanize turnout.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. The thinking was that, even when Joe Biden was the nominee, and a relatively weak nominee vis a vis Trump in the polls, that abortion rights could make the difference in a few key battleground states because it was going to bring out voters who care about abortion. And those voters would see the Democrat as the only logical candidate to protect abortion rights, given Trump’s role in reversing “Roe v. Wade.”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, and this wasn’t some pie in the sky thing. This was a proven strategy. So this was something not only that Democrats thought was going to work, but that Republicans thought was going to work.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">How do folks end up choosing the 10 states that they do, where these ballot amendments end up being?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So as abortion rights groups and Democrats go into 2024 and the presidential race, there are only 17 states in the entire country that allow citizen-sponsored ballot measures, which means that people can sign a petition. You gather petitions outside your grocery store or your hardware store, whatever. And people put this question directly before the voters. And of those 17 states, 10 of them had abortion bans. So this was always going to be a limited strategy.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Got it.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So when it comes to the 10 measures that are on the ballot this year, some of those are blue states that are just trying to enshrine a right to abortion that’s already in state law. And that’s New York, Colorado, and Maryland. Then you have red and purple states, where either abortion is already banned, or the state legislature and the governor are trying to ban abortion. And the goal of the ballot measure there is either to overturn the ban or to hold a ban off. So those states are Montana, Missouri, South Dakota, Florida, Nebraska, Nevada, and Arizona.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And, of course, two of the states that you just mentioned in your red and purple list are battleground states, Nevada and Arizona. So as everyone gears up to try to protect abortion rights in these 10 states in time for last Tuesday, what ends up being the playbook deployed in all of these states?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So the sponsors of these ballot measures are seeing that there’s a shift in the way Americans are thinking about abortion. A lot of Americans, a lot of people I talk to, particularly men, thought, or think, that abortion is something that irresponsible women use as birth control. And that’s not necessarily true. But that was the bias. That was the real stigma around abortion. What’s happening, as you see all these states ban abortion, is people are seeing the very real consequences of this. And they’re seeing that women who have much wanted pregnancies can’t get medical care when they need it.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">For as long as I can remember, I wanted to be a mom. I’m lucky to have my son. But I wasn’t lucky with my second pregnancy. There was a fetal anomaly. And to protect myself, I needed an abortion.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The abortion rights groups sponsoring these ballot measures really take that idea of abortion as health care and put that at the center of their campaigns.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Just thinking of politicians interfering, denying my wife the care she needs. It’s unforgivable.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Missouri’s abortion ban goes too far.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The ad that I think about a lot was one in Florida where you have this couple. And the woman is saying —</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Due to the abortion ban, I was being forced to carry the baby from 23 weeks all the way to 37 weeks.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I had to carry a pregnancy to 37 weeks, even though I knew, and even though doctors told me, this would not be a healthy child.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Having to watch your wife be in pain and continue to tell her to keep going, that everything’s going to be OK, knowing it’s not, that was the hardest thing.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And the ad ends with the woman saying —</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This ban is torture.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This ban is torture.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. These ads end up feeling quite strikingly non-partisan, or almost post-partisan. They’re all about women’s health.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yes, and polls are showing that these ads are changing minds, that people who see them are more inclined to support abortion rights.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You mentioned, Kate, that Democrats end up seizing on these ballot initiatives as well, hoping that they’re going to boost turnout for them. My recollection is that they end up adopting very similar messages to the sponsors of these bills, right?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, so, once Kamala Harris becomes the nominee, she really makes this a centerpiece of her campaign.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording (kamala harris)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Working people, working women, have to travel to another state to get on a plane, sitting next to strangers, to go and get the health care she needs.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You have her surrogates like JB Pritzker.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording (jb pritzker)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Americans don’t want to be forced to drive 100 miles to deliver a baby because a draconian abortion law shut down the maternity ward!</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Gretchen Whitmer, Michelle Obama, all coming out and talking about this.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording (michelle obama)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">One woman spent 22 days in jail on murder charges after she miscarried in her own bathroom. We are seeing doctors unsure if they can treat ectopic pregnancies.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. She spoke very explicitly about women bleeding out on a hospital bed because of some of these state bans on abortion.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, and that message from Michelle Obama really closes out Kamala Harris’s campaign, talking about how you need to vote for Democratic candidates because this issue is life and death for many women. And on Election Day, when we look at the results of these ballot measures, it’s an incredible success for the abortion rights side.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">In Arizona, it wins by 62 percent, in Nevada by 64 percent. Missouri becomes the first state to overturn a ban on abortion. And they get 52 percent of support.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">In a very red state.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah. Even in one of those three states where the ballot measure didn’t succeed, which is Florida, it still got a majority of support. It was 57 percent. It was just that Florida required 60 percent to pass.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So not just wins for abortion rights in these seven states, but clear majorities.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, and I think, in some states, it was even more support for abortion rights than the sponsors expected. It also helped Democrats in some down ballot races for Congress and state legislatures. But the Democrat who everyone thought it would help the most did not benefit from this. And that was Kamala Harris.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We’ll be right back.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">So, Kate, how much did these mostly-winning abortion rights amendments not help Kamala Harris? Quantify that for us.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It’s a pretty huge gap. And, of course, the votes are still being counted. But from what we know now on Monday afternoon, if you look at Arizona, for instance, a battleground state, remember, I just told you that 62 percent voted for the abortion measure. 46 percent voted for Harris.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s an 8 point gap. Nevada, it’s even bigger. Abortion, the ballot measure gets 64 percent. Harris gets 47.5 — almost 17 points. In Missouri, which is a red state, where Harris was never expected to win, abortion rights gets 52 percent. Harris gets 40.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Wow.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Then you look at Florida, where I think some Democrats had begun to hope that abortion might actually pull it out for them. The abortion ballot measure got 57 percent support. Harris got 43 percent.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Wow. So you’re talking about, in a bunch of these cases, double digit gaps between those who cared enough about abortion to vote to enshrine it in their state’s constitution and those willing to vote for Harris. And essentially, what this data you just cited reveals is that a bunch of people were capable of holding two thoughts in their heads at once and splitting those two things up.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s right. And this is something that a lot of people had actually tried to warn about, that even in some of the earlier ballot measures, like in California, in 2022, the ballot measures were outperforming Democrats. The ballot measure in California got more votes than the state’s popular governor, Gavin Newsom, who’s a Democrat. So this shouldn’t have been seen as a silver bullet strategy. But by the end, people really thought it was going to be that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But I think it’s worth explaining why Democrats, especially, thought that a vote for abortion rights was, quite logically, going to be a vote for Kamala Harris in this race. And that’s because of the unique, singular role that Trump played in appointing the Supreme Court that overturned “Roe,” because, as you just told us, Kate, in the first half of this conversation, Democrats seemed to benefit a lot from the issue of abortion in the last election, the 2022 midterms, and because Kamala Harris was campaigning so emphatically and explicitly as the candidate of abortion rights.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s right. And I think, also, if you think about the way abortion has traditionally been framed, it’s an issue of women’s rights. So I think a lot of Democrats thought it was reasonable to think, all these people coming out to support abortion rights are also going to be excited about the idea of electing the country’s first female president.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So just walk us through, in the kind of postmortem way that I’m sure Democrats are, the understanding of why so many voters split their ballot.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">One way to think about this is that Harris was actually a victim of her own success, in the way she changed how the country thought about abortion.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Just explain that, because that’s a little bit of a complicated idea.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">If you’re coming at this from the perspective of wanting to increase abortion access or guarantee abortion access, it was really smart to talk about this as a matter of health care, as a matter of health care freedom and the right to make your own decisions, because it really appeals to a libertarian spirit in this country and a sentiment that a lot of independents and Republicans have.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">So you saw people crossing traditional party lines to vote for abortion rights. But those people who might now see abortion rights as something they want to support aren’t necessarily going to be on board for the rest of the Democratic agenda. They’re not necessarily going to be the people who want student loan forgiveness, for example. They’re not necessarily going to be the people who want to vote for the country’s first female president.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But, of course, the thing that also has to be true here, for those who are going to split their tickets on this scale that we’re talking about, is that these voters have to not see Trump as a threat to abortion rights.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. And Trump effectively neutralized the issue for himself because, as much as he was saying to anti-abortion groups, I’m the guy who finally got the court to overturn “Roe v. Wade,” he was saying to people who support abortion rights, you don’t have to worry about me. I’m not going to impose a national ban on abortion. I just want to give all this back to the states.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And polls showed that people believed him. For instance, in a Times poll two months before the election, 70 percent of Trump voters said they did not believe that he would sign a national ban on abortion. So in some sense, the way to look at this is, Harris’s strategy was effective. But so was Trump’s.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">In the end, Kate, what seems really significant about this election is that it gave voters who cared about abortion rights the ability to say so in their vote without voting for the candidate who claimed she was the champion of abortion rights, Kamala Harris. And that makes me wonder, are Democrats looking back and asking themselves if putting abortion on the ballot as its own issue was a mistake, that they could have done it a different year and then asked people to vote on abortion by voting for Harris.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I think that conversation is surely happening. But for abortion rights groups, the immediate issue is restoring abortion access. And so, they’re looking at that conversation and saying, don’t be so cynical. If we’re talking about this as a matter of women dying, we’re not going to wait another year and let more women die. We need to fix this now.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Issue over party.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Absolutely. And that’s not to say that, of course, these groups wanted Kamala Harris to win the White House. But they’re also incredibly grateful to her. Her legacy becomes that she spoke about abortion in a different way. They would say that she was a big reason that the issue won, the way she talked about abortion and got the Democratic Party, which had always really hesitated — Joe Biden did not want to say the word, abortion. Kamala Harris changed all that. And so, her legacy is this expansion of abortion rights, this protection of abortion rights in some states. And that’s not nothing.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Put a different way, abortion rights didn’t help Kamala Harris win in 2024. But Kamala Harris helped abortion rights win in 2024.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s certainly how abortion rights groups see that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It strikes me, Kate, that for many Democrats and many Democratic women, there’s going to be a lot of dissonance in the results of this election because there is simultaneously this huge electoral win for what many see as an essential woman’s right, an abortion, and a huge electoral defeat for the woman candidate for president who championed that right.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I think that dissonance is at the heart of a lot of shock that many women are feeling about this because, for so long, feminism and abortion were intertwined. So it was easy for them to think, the public is really moved on abortion rights. That means the public supports women’s rights. The reason that abortion rights groups used to center the phrase and the idea of my body, my choice, was because they really saw abortion as the right of women to determine the course of their own lives. But in this election, that wasn’t how we talked about abortion.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Kamala Harris and the supporters of these ballot measures didn’t talk about feminism and abortion. They decoupled those two things. Abortion is about protecting women who want to be mothers and making sure that a husband doesn’t need to worry about his wife, giving him and her doctor the ability to help her make this decision. So the path for abortion rights is making it less and less of a feminist idea. It’s making it more about protecting women, but in a paternal way. And that’s not the same as autonomy for women.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. None of those campaign ads and none of those campaign speeches acknowledged the simple reality that a woman in the United States might want to have an abortion because she might not want to have a baby.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. That decoupling leaves feminism in a really uncertain place. It really diminished the question of, do we trust women to determine the course of their own lives? So when you look at last Tuesday, you can argue that the results tell us that we’ve changed the way we talk about abortion. We’ve changed the way we think about abortion. But what we haven’t changed is the way we think about and talk about women.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, Kate, thank you very much.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Thank you, Michael.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We’ll be right back.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Here’s what else you need to know today. With two senior appointments, President-elect Trump laid the groundwork for carrying out the large-scale deportation of undocumented immigrants that his campaign long promised. According to The Times, Trump is expected to name Stephen Miller as his White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy and Tom Homan as his border czar. During Trump’s first term, both men promoted the zero tolerance policy that led to the separation of thousands of undocumented immigrants from their children at the US-Mexico border. And —</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording (joe biden)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This is the last time I will stand here at Arlington as Commander-in-Chief. It’s been the greatest honor of my life, to lead you, to serve you, to care for you, to defend you, just as you defended us, generation after generation after generation.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">On Monday, President Biden observed his final Veterans Day as President at Arlington National Cemetery, where he lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Without mentioning Trump by name, Biden offered a firm contrast with the former President, who, according to aides, mocked veterans who were killed in battle.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording (joe biden)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So for all the military families, for all those with their loved ones still missing or unaccounted for, for all Americans grieving the loss of a loved one who wore the uniform, Jill and I want you to know, we see you. We thank you. And we’ll never stop working to meet our sacred obligation to you and your family.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Today’s episode was produced by Asthaa Chaturvedi and Carlos Prieto. It was edited by MJ Davis Lin, contains original music by Elisheba Ittoop, Pat McCusker, and Dan Powell, and was engineered by Chris Wood. 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-->0:00</div></div></div></div></header><div class="css-uzyn7p"><div class="css-1vxywau"><p class="css-1nng8z9">transcript</p><h2 class="css-8p0vwh">Why Abortion Rights Won Even as Kamala Harris Lost</h2><h4 class="css-qsd3hm">Voters in red and blue states supported abortion rights, but the movement’s winning streak came to an end.</h4><time dateTime="2024-11-12T11:00:16.000Z" class="css-1e6es05">2024-11-12T06:00:16-05:00</time></div><dl class="css-p98d0w"><dt class="css-xx7kwh"></dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This transcript was created using speech recognition software. While it has been reviewed by human transcribers, it may contain errors. Please review the episode audio before quoting from this transcript and email transcripts@nytimes.com with any questions.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">From The New York Times, I’m Michael Barbaro. This is “The Daily.”</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Last Tuesday, voters across the country approved measures to protect abortion rights while rejecting the presidential candidate who claimed to champion those same rights.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Today, my colleague, Kate Zernike, explains that gap and what it tells us about the new politics of abortion.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">It’s Tuesday, November 12th.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Kate, so much of the focus on Election Day was, quite naturally, on the race for President. And I think, as a result, a lot of us, and, here, I’m guilty myself, didn’t quite understand how much abortion is on the ballot, and literally, not in that spiritual way that we sometimes talk about in political reporting that something is on the ballot. No, this was actually on the ballot.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s right. So in 10 states, and pretty diverse states across the country, there were amendments on the ballot to establish abortion rights in the state constitution. This was a record number of ballot measures on abortion. In seven of those 10 states, those amendments won.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So, quick math, that’s a 70 percent victory rate in all of these states and has to be seen as a very big win for abortion rights.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Absolutely. And this is really the biggest victory for abortion rights groups since “Roe” was overturned 2 and 1/2 years ago.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">OK, and just explain how these 10 measures ended up on so many of these state ballots at the exact same time.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Between the time of “Roe” in 1973 and “Dobbs,” ballot measures were actually something that anti-abortion groups used to their advantage. So there were 44 in that time period, almost 50 years. And only four of them were put forward by abortion rights groups.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So, basically, ballot initiatives have been a tool of anti-abortion forces.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Absolutely. That’s even true coming out of “Dobbs,” the decision where the Supreme Court overturned “Roe v. Wade.” Anti-abortion groups know that, under “Dobbs,” the question of how you regulate abortion is going to go back to the States.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So they think, we’re going to continue this playbook. We’re going to have all these abortion ballot measures to ban abortion in the States. So the first place we see this is in Kansas in August of 2022, which is two months after “Dobbs.” Anti-abortion groups have put a measure on the ballot saying, there is no right to abortion in the state constitution. And they think they’re going to sweep this. They think this is a given. It’s going to be a sleepy August election. Nobody’s going to turn out, except for their voters. And they’ll win.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. And, as you said, history is on their side when it comes to ballot initiatives restricting abortion.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s right.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It turns out, abortion rights groups really rally their supporters to work against this ballot amendment. And it fails in August. So abortion rights groups look at Kansas and think, wow, we got a ton of support there. Maybe these ballot measures can actually be a way of establishing abortion rights and guaranteeing abortion access in other states.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so, they begin to put measures on the ballot in the midterms of 2022. And by the end of that year, we see, really, a winning streak for the abortion rights side. They’ve won six out of six ballot measures. The next year, they try for Ohio, the first real red state. They win Ohio. So, now, going to this year and the presidential contest, abortion rights groups are seven for seven.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And just to be very clear about what it is we’re talking about here that’s happening in the seven states you just mentioned, increasingly after Kansas, and correct me if I’m wrong, these are efforts to put something in a state’s constitution that protects abortion and therefore means that, if a Republican legislature in the state decides to try to restrict it, they can’t. A judge would look at the constitution and say, you just can’t do that. The voters in the state have said, this is a right. Therefore, they’d strike down any legislative effort to ban abortion.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s right. And most of these measures are establishing a right to abortion until viability, which is the time in pregnancy when a fetus can survive outside the uterus. That’s actually the standard that was in “Roe v. Wade.” And most of the states also say that, after that point, the legislature can regulate abortion. But they can’t prohibit women from getting abortions if they need them in a medical emergency. So essentially, what all of these ballot measures are doing is restoring “Roe,” but in the state constitution, instead of having it in the federal constitution.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Fascinating. So let’s turn to the mechanics of the 2024 ballot initiatives and the plan to extend this abortion rights winning streak to a much broader set of states, with the reality, of course, that must have been in the back of everyone’s head, that 2024 was different because it’s a presidential year.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. It’s the first presidential year post -“Dobbs.” So there are two ways of looking at this. And those two ways do overlap. And the first is that abortion rights groups are looking at all these states where, post -“Dobbs,” there are bans on abortion, and thinking, these ballot measures can be a way of restoring abortion access. Democrats, meanwhile, are looking at how abortion has galvanized all these voters.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">The lesson coming out of the 2022 midterms was that the candidates of abortion rights won. The Democrats headed off the red wave in the House of Representatives. Anti-abortion candidates lost in a couple of states. And they’re thinking, OK, we can use this issue to power victories for our candidates who stand for abortion rights, and Democrats in particular. This is really going to galvanize turnout.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. The thinking was that, even when Joe Biden was the nominee, and a relatively weak nominee vis a vis Trump in the polls, that abortion rights could make the difference in a few key battleground states because it was going to bring out voters who care about abortion. And those voters would see the Democrat as the only logical candidate to protect abortion rights, given Trump’s role in reversing “Roe v. Wade.”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, and this wasn’t some pie in the sky thing. This was a proven strategy. So this was something not only that Democrats thought was going to work, but that Republicans thought was going to work.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">How do folks end up choosing the 10 states that they do, where these ballot amendments end up being?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So as abortion rights groups and Democrats go into 2024 and the presidential race, there are only 17 states in the entire country that allow citizen-sponsored ballot measures, which means that people can sign a petition. You gather petitions outside your grocery store or your hardware store, whatever. And people put this question directly before the voters. And of those 17 states, 10 of them had abortion bans. So this was always going to be a limited strategy.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Got it.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So when it comes to the 10 measures that are on the ballot this year, some of those are blue states that are just trying to enshrine a right to abortion that’s already in state law. And that’s New York, Colorado, and Maryland. Then you have red and purple states, where either abortion is already banned, or the state legislature and the governor are trying to ban abortion. And the goal of the ballot measure there is either to overturn the ban or to hold a ban off. So those states are Montana, Missouri, South Dakota, Florida, Nebraska, Nevada, and Arizona.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And, of course, two of the states that you just mentioned in your red and purple list are battleground states, Nevada and Arizona. So as everyone gears up to try to protect abortion rights in these 10 states in time for last Tuesday, what ends up being the playbook deployed in all of these states?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So the sponsors of these ballot measures are seeing that there’s a shift in the way Americans are thinking about abortion. A lot of Americans, a lot of people I talk to, particularly men, thought, or think, that abortion is something that irresponsible women use as birth control. And that’s not necessarily true. But that was the bias. That was the real stigma around abortion. What’s happening, as you see all these states ban abortion, is people are seeing the very real consequences of this. And they’re seeing that women who have much wanted pregnancies can’t get medical care when they need it.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">For as long as I can remember, I wanted to be a mom. I’m lucky to have my son. But I wasn’t lucky with my second pregnancy. There was a fetal anomaly. And to protect myself, I needed an abortion.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The abortion rights groups sponsoring these ballot measures really take that idea of abortion as health care and put that at the center of their campaigns.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Just thinking of politicians interfering, denying my wife the care she needs. It’s unforgivable.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Missouri’s abortion ban goes too far.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The ad that I think about a lot was one in Florida where you have this couple. And the woman is saying —</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Due to the abortion ban, I was being forced to carry the baby from 23 weeks all the way to 37 weeks.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I had to carry a pregnancy to 37 weeks, even though I knew, and even though doctors told me, this would not be a healthy child.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Having to watch your wife be in pain and continue to tell her to keep going, that everything’s going to be OK, knowing it’s not, that was the hardest thing.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And the ad ends with the woman saying —</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This ban is torture.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This ban is torture.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. These ads end up feeling quite strikingly non-partisan, or almost post-partisan. They’re all about women’s health.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yes, and polls are showing that these ads are changing minds, that people who see them are more inclined to support abortion rights.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You mentioned, Kate, that Democrats end up seizing on these ballot initiatives as well, hoping that they’re going to boost turnout for them. My recollection is that they end up adopting very similar messages to the sponsors of these bills, right?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, so, once Kamala Harris becomes the nominee, she really makes this a centerpiece of her campaign.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording (kamala harris)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Working people, working women, have to travel to another state to get on a plane, sitting next to strangers, to go and get the health care she needs.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You have her surrogates like JB Pritzker.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording (jb pritzker)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Americans don’t want to be forced to drive 100 miles to deliver a baby because a draconian abortion law shut down the maternity ward!</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Gretchen Whitmer, Michelle Obama, all coming out and talking about this.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording (michelle obama)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">One woman spent 22 days in jail on murder charges after she miscarried in her own bathroom. We are seeing doctors unsure if they can treat ectopic pregnancies.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. She spoke very explicitly about women bleeding out on a hospital bed because of some of these state bans on abortion.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, and that message from Michelle Obama really closes out Kamala Harris’s campaign, talking about how you need to vote for Democratic candidates because this issue is life and death for many women. And on Election Day, when we look at the results of these ballot measures, it’s an incredible success for the abortion rights side.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">In Arizona, it wins by 62 percent, in Nevada by 64 percent. Missouri becomes the first state to overturn a ban on abortion. And they get 52 percent of support.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">In a very red state.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah. Even in one of those three states where the ballot measure didn’t succeed, which is Florida, it still got a majority of support. It was 57 percent. It was just that Florida required 60 percent to pass.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So not just wins for abortion rights in these seven states, but clear majorities.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, and I think, in some states, it was even more support for abortion rights than the sponsors expected. It also helped Democrats in some down ballot races for Congress and state legislatures. But the Democrat who everyone thought it would help the most did not benefit from this. And that was Kamala Harris.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We’ll be right back.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">So, Kate, how much did these mostly-winning abortion rights amendments not help Kamala Harris? Quantify that for us.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It’s a pretty huge gap. And, of course, the votes are still being counted. But from what we know now on Monday afternoon, if you look at Arizona, for instance, a battleground state, remember, I just told you that 62 percent voted for the abortion measure. 46 percent voted for Harris.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s an 8 point gap. Nevada, it’s even bigger. Abortion, the ballot measure gets 64 percent. Harris gets 47.5 — almost 17 points. In Missouri, which is a red state, where Harris was never expected to win, abortion rights gets 52 percent. Harris gets 40.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Wow.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Then you look at Florida, where I think some Democrats had begun to hope that abortion might actually pull it out for them. The abortion ballot measure got 57 percent support. Harris got 43 percent.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Wow. So you’re talking about, in a bunch of these cases, double digit gaps between those who cared enough about abortion to vote to enshrine it in their state’s constitution and those willing to vote for Harris. And essentially, what this data you just cited reveals is that a bunch of people were capable of holding two thoughts in their heads at once and splitting those two things up.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s right. And this is something that a lot of people had actually tried to warn about, that even in some of the earlier ballot measures, like in California, in 2022, the ballot measures were outperforming Democrats. The ballot measure in California got more votes than the state’s popular governor, Gavin Newsom, who’s a Democrat. So this shouldn’t have been seen as a silver bullet strategy. But by the end, people really thought it was going to be that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But I think it’s worth explaining why Democrats, especially, thought that a vote for abortion rights was, quite logically, going to be a vote for Kamala Harris in this race. And that’s because of the unique, singular role that Trump played in appointing the Supreme Court that overturned “Roe,” because, as you just told us, Kate, in the first half of this conversation, Democrats seemed to benefit a lot from the issue of abortion in the last election, the 2022 midterms, and because Kamala Harris was campaigning so emphatically and explicitly as the candidate of abortion rights.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s right. And I think, also, if you think about the way abortion has traditionally been framed, it’s an issue of women’s rights. So I think a lot of Democrats thought it was reasonable to think, all these people coming out to support abortion rights are also going to be excited about the idea of electing the country’s first female president.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So just walk us through, in the kind of postmortem way that I’m sure Democrats are, the understanding of why so many voters split their ballot.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">One way to think about this is that Harris was actually a victim of her own success, in the way she changed how the country thought about abortion.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Just explain that, because that’s a little bit of a complicated idea.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">If you’re coming at this from the perspective of wanting to increase abortion access or guarantee abortion access, it was really smart to talk about this as a matter of health care, as a matter of health care freedom and the right to make your own decisions, because it really appeals to a libertarian spirit in this country and a sentiment that a lot of independents and Republicans have.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">So you saw people crossing traditional party lines to vote for abortion rights. But those people who might now see abortion rights as something they want to support aren’t necessarily going to be on board for the rest of the Democratic agenda. They’re not necessarily going to be the people who want student loan forgiveness, for example. They’re not necessarily going to be the people who want to vote for the country’s first female president.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But, of course, the thing that also has to be true here, for those who are going to split their tickets on this scale that we’re talking about, is that these voters have to not see Trump as a threat to abortion rights.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. And Trump effectively neutralized the issue for himself because, as much as he was saying to anti-abortion groups, I’m the guy who finally got the court to overturn “Roe v. Wade,” he was saying to people who support abortion rights, you don’t have to worry about me. I’m not going to impose a national ban on abortion. I just want to give all this back to the states.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And polls showed that people believed him. For instance, in a Times poll two months before the election, 70 percent of Trump voters said they did not believe that he would sign a national ban on abortion. So in some sense, the way to look at this is, Harris’s strategy was effective. But so was Trump’s.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">In the end, Kate, what seems really significant about this election is that it gave voters who cared about abortion rights the ability to say so in their vote without voting for the candidate who claimed she was the champion of abortion rights, Kamala Harris. And that makes me wonder, are Democrats looking back and asking themselves if putting abortion on the ballot as its own issue was a mistake, that they could have done it a different year and then asked people to vote on abortion by voting for Harris.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I think that conversation is surely happening. But for abortion rights groups, the immediate issue is restoring abortion access. And so, they’re looking at that conversation and saying, don’t be so cynical. If we’re talking about this as a matter of women dying, we’re not going to wait another year and let more women die. We need to fix this now.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Issue over party.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Absolutely. And that’s not to say that, of course, these groups wanted Kamala Harris to win the White House. But they’re also incredibly grateful to her. Her legacy becomes that she spoke about abortion in a different way. They would say that she was a big reason that the issue won, the way she talked about abortion and got the Democratic Party, which had always really hesitated — Joe Biden did not want to say the word, abortion. Kamala Harris changed all that. And so, her legacy is this expansion of abortion rights, this protection of abortion rights in some states. And that’s not nothing.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Put a different way, abortion rights didn’t help Kamala Harris win in 2024. But Kamala Harris helped abortion rights win in 2024.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s certainly how abortion rights groups see that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It strikes me, Kate, that for many Democrats and many Democratic women, there’s going to be a lot of dissonance in the results of this election because there is simultaneously this huge electoral win for what many see as an essential woman’s right, an abortion, and a huge electoral defeat for the woman candidate for president who championed that right.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I think that dissonance is at the heart of a lot of shock that many women are feeling about this because, for so long, feminism and abortion were intertwined. So it was easy for them to think, the public is really moved on abortion rights. That means the public supports women’s rights. The reason that abortion rights groups used to center the phrase and the idea of my body, my choice, was because they really saw abortion as the right of women to determine the course of their own lives. But in this election, that wasn’t how we talked about abortion.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Kamala Harris and the supporters of these ballot measures didn’t talk about feminism and abortion. They decoupled those two things. Abortion is about protecting women who want to be mothers and making sure that a husband doesn’t need to worry about his wife, giving him and her doctor the ability to help her make this decision. So the path for abortion rights is making it less and less of a feminist idea. It’s making it more about protecting women, but in a paternal way. And that’s not the same as autonomy for women.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. None of those campaign ads and none of those campaign speeches acknowledged the simple reality that a woman in the United States might want to have an abortion because she might not want to have a baby.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. That decoupling leaves feminism in a really uncertain place. It really diminished the question of, do we trust women to determine the course of their own lives? So when you look at last Tuesday, you can argue that the results tell us that we’ve changed the way we talk about abortion. We’ve changed the way we think about abortion. But what we haven’t changed is the way we think about and talk about women.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, Kate, thank you very much.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kate zernike</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Thank you, Michael.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We’ll be right back.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Here’s what else you need to know today. With two senior appointments, President-elect Trump laid the groundwork for carrying out the large-scale deportation of undocumented immigrants that his campaign long promised. According to The Times, Trump is expected to name Stephen Miller as his White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy and Tom Homan as his border czar. During Trump’s first term, both men promoted the zero tolerance policy that led to the separation of thousands of undocumented immigrants from their children at the US-Mexico border. And —</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording (joe biden)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This is the last time I will stand here at Arlington as Commander-in-Chief. It’s been the greatest honor of my life, to lead you, to serve you, to care for you, to defend you, just as you defended us, generation after generation after generation.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">On Monday, President Biden observed his final Veterans Day as President at Arlington National Cemetery, where he lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Without mentioning Trump by name, Biden offered a firm contrast with the former President, who, according to aides, mocked veterans who were killed in battle.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived recording (joe biden)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So for all the military families, for all those with their loved ones still missing or unaccounted for, for all Americans grieving the loss of a loved one who wore the uniform, Jill and I want you to know, we see you. We thank you. And we’ll never stop working to meet our sacred obligation to you and your family.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Today’s episode was produced by Asthaa Chaturvedi and Carlos Prieto. It was edited by MJ Davis Lin, contains original music by Elisheba Ittoop, Pat McCusker, and Dan Powell, and was engineered by Chris Wood. 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While it has been reviewed by human transcribers, it may contain errors. Please review the episode audio before quoting from this transcript and email transcripts@nytimes.com with any questions. From The New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is \"The Daily.\" [MUSIC PLAYING] Last Tuesday, voters across the country approved measures to protect abortion rights while rejecting the presidential candidate who claimed to champion those same rights. Today, my colleague, Kate Zernike, explains that gap and what it tells us about the new politics of abortion. [MUSIC PLAYING] It's Tuesday, November 12th. Kate, so much of the focus on Election Day was, quite naturally, on the race for President. And I think, as a result, a lot of us, and, here, I'm guilty myself, didn't quite understand how much abortion is on the ballot, and literally, not in that spiritual way that we sometimes talk about in political reporting that something is on the ballot. No, this was actually on the ballot. That's right. So in 10 states, and pretty diverse states across the country, there were amendments on the ballot to establish abortion rights in the state constitution. This was a record number of ballot measures on abortion. In seven of those 10 states, those amendments won. So, quick math, that's a 70 percent victory rate in all of these states and has to be seen as a very big win for abortion rights. Absolutely. And this is really the biggest victory for abortion rights groups since \"Roe\" was overturned 2 and 1/2 years ago. OK, and just explain how these 10 measures ended up on so many of these state ballots at the exact same time. Between the time of \"Roe\" in 1973 and \"Dobbs,\" ballot measures were actually something that anti-abortion groups used to their advantage. So there were 44 in that time period, almost 50 years. And only four of them were put forward by abortion rights groups. So, basically, ballot initiatives have been a tool of anti-abortion forces. Absolutely. That's even true coming out of \"Dobbs,\" the decision where the Supreme Court overturned \"Roe v. Wade.\" Anti-abortion groups know that, under \"Dobbs,\" the question of how you regulate abortion is going to go back to the States. Right. So they think, we're going to continue this playbook. We're going to have all these abortion ballot measures to ban abortion in the States. So the first place we see this is in Kansas in August of 2022, which is two months after \"Dobbs.\" Anti-abortion groups have put a measure on the ballot saying, there is no right to abortion in the state constitution. And they think they're going to sweep this. They think this is a given. It's going to be a sleepy August election. Nobody's going to turn out, except for their voters. And they'll win. Right. And, as you said, history is on their side when it comes to ballot initiatives restricting abortion. That's right. It turns out, abortion rights groups really rally their supporters to work against this ballot amendment. And it fails in August. So abortion rights groups look at Kansas and think, wow, we got a ton of support there. Maybe these ballot measures can actually be a way of establishing abortion rights and guaranteeing abortion access in other states. And so, they begin to put measures on the ballot in the midterms of 2022. And by the end of that year, we see, really, a winning streak for the abortion rights side. They've won six out of six ballot measures. The next year, they try for Ohio, the first real red state. They win Ohio. So, now, going to this year and the presidential contest, abortion rights groups are seven for seven. And just to be very clear about what it is we're talking about here that's happening in the seven states you just mentioned, increasingly after Kansas, and correct me if I'm wrong, these are efforts to put something in a state's constitution that protects abortion and therefore means that, if a Republican legislature in the state decides to try to restrict it, they can't. A judge would look at the constitution and say, you just can't do that. The voters in the state have said, this is a right. Therefore, they'd strike down any legislative effort to ban abortion. That's right. And most of these measures are establishing a right to abortion until viability, which is the time in pregnancy when a fetus can survive outside the uterus. That's actually the standard that was in \"Roe v. Wade.\" And most of the states also say that, after that point, the legislature can regulate abortion. But they can't prohibit women from getting abortions if they need them in a medical emergency. So essentially, what all of these ballot measures are doing is restoring \"Roe,\" but in the state constitution, instead of having it in the federal constitution. Fascinating. So let's turn to the mechanics of the 2024 ballot initiatives and the plan to extend this abortion rights winning streak to a much broader set of states, with the reality, of course, that must have been in the back of everyone's head, that 2024 was different because it's a presidential year. Right. It's the first presidential year post -\"Dobbs.\" So there are two ways of looking at this. And those two ways do overlap. And the first is that abortion rights groups are looking at all these states where, post -\"Dobbs,\" there are bans on abortion, and thinking, these ballot measures can be a way of restoring abortion access. Democrats, meanwhile, are looking at how abortion has galvanized all these voters. The lesson coming out of the 2022 midterms was that the candidates of abortion rights won. The Democrats headed off the red wave in the House of Representatives. Anti-abortion candidates lost in a couple of states. And they're thinking, OK, we can use this issue to power victories for our candidates who stand for abortion rights, and Democrats in particular. This is really going to galvanize turnout. Right. The thinking was that, even when Joe Biden was the nominee, and a relatively weak nominee vis a vis Trump in the polls, that abortion rights could make the difference in a few key battleground states because it was going to bring out voters who care about abortion. And those voters would see the Democrat as the only logical candidate to protect abortion rights, given Trump's role in reversing \"Roe v. Wade.\" Yeah, and this wasn't some pie in the sky thing. This was a proven strategy. So this was something not only that Democrats thought was going to work, but that Republicans thought was going to work. How do folks end up choosing the 10 states that they do, where these ballot amendments end up being? So as abortion rights groups and Democrats go into 2024 and the presidential race, there are only 17 states in the entire country that allow citizen-sponsored ballot measures, which means that people can sign a petition. You gather petitions outside your grocery store or your hardware store, whatever. And people put this question directly before the voters. And of those 17 states, 10 of them had abortion bans. So this was always going to be a limited strategy. Got it. So when it comes to the 10 measures that are on the ballot this year, some of those are blue states that are just trying to enshrine a right to abortion that's already in state law. And that's New York, Colorado, and Maryland. Then you have red and purple states, where either abortion is already banned, or the state legislature and the governor are trying to ban abortion. And the goal of the ballot measure there is either to overturn the ban or to hold a ban off. So those states are Montana, Missouri, South Dakota, Florida, Nebraska, Nevada, and Arizona. And, of course, two of the states that you just mentioned in your red and purple list are battleground states, Nevada and Arizona. So as everyone gears up to try to protect abortion rights in these 10 states in time for last Tuesday, what ends up being the playbook deployed in all of these states? So the sponsors of these ballot measures are seeing that there's a shift in the way Americans are thinking about abortion. A lot of Americans, a lot of people I talk to, particularly men, thought, or think, that abortion is something that irresponsible women use as birth control. And that's not necessarily true. But that was the bias. That was the real stigma around abortion. What's happening, as you see all these states ban abortion, is people are seeing the very real consequences of this. And they're seeing that women who have much wanted pregnancies can't get medical care when they need it. For as long as I can remember, I wanted to be a mom. I'm lucky to have my son. But I wasn't lucky with my second pregnancy. There was a fetal anomaly. And to protect myself, I needed an abortion. The abortion rights groups sponsoring these ballot measures really take that idea of abortion as health care and put that at the center of their campaigns. Just thinking of politicians interfering, denying my wife the care she needs. It's unforgivable. Missouri's abortion ban goes too far. The ad that I think about a lot was one in Florida where you have this couple. And the woman is saying -- Due to the abortion ban, I was being forced to carry the baby from 23 weeks all the way to 37 weeks. I had to carry a pregnancy to 37 weeks, even though I knew, and even though doctors told me, this would not be a healthy child. Having to watch your wife be in pain and continue to tell her to keep going, that everything's going to be OK, knowing it's not, that was the hardest thing. And the ad ends with the woman saying -- This ban is torture. This ban is torture. Right. These ads end up feeling quite strikingly non-partisan, or almost post-partisan. They're all about women's health. Yes, and polls are showing that these ads are changing minds, that people who see them are more inclined to support abortion rights. You mentioned, Kate, that Democrats end up seizing on these ballot initiatives as well, hoping that they're going to boost turnout for them. My recollection is that they end up adopting very similar messages to the sponsors of these bills, right? Yeah, so, once Kamala Harris becomes the nominee, she really makes this a centerpiece of her campaign. Working people, working women, have to travel to another state to get on a plane, sitting next to strangers, to go and get the health care she needs. You have her surrogates like JB Pritzker. Americans don't want to be forced to drive 100 miles to deliver a baby because a draconian abortion law shut down the maternity ward! Gretchen Whitmer, Michelle Obama, all coming out and talking about this. One woman spent 22 days in jail on murder charges after she miscarried in her own bathroom. We are seeing doctors unsure if they can treat ectopic pregnancies. Right. She spoke very explicitly about women bleeding out on a hospital bed because of some of these state bans on abortion. Yeah, and that message from Michelle Obama really closes out Kamala Harris's campaign, talking about how you need to vote for Democratic candidates because this issue is life and death for many women. And on Election Day, when we look at the results of these ballot measures, it's an incredible success for the abortion rights side. In Arizona, it wins by 62 percent, in Nevada by 64 percent. Missouri becomes the first state to overturn a ban on abortion. And they get 52 percent of support. In a very red state. Yeah. Even in one of those three states where the ballot measure didn't succeed, which is Florida, it still got a majority of support. It was 57 percent. It was just that Florida required 60 percent to pass. So not just wins for abortion rights in these seven states, but clear majorities. Yeah, and I think, in some states, it was even more support for abortion rights than the sponsors expected. It also helped Democrats in some down ballot races for Congress and state legislatures. But the Democrat who everyone thought it would help the most did not benefit from this. And that was Kamala Harris. [MUSIC PLAYING] We'll be right back. [MUSIC PLAYING] So, Kate, how much did these mostly-winning abortion rights amendments not help Kamala Harris? Quantify that for us. It's a pretty huge gap. And, of course, the votes are still being counted. But from what we know now on Monday afternoon, if you look at Arizona, for instance, a battleground state, remember, I just told you that 62 percent voted for the abortion measure. 46 percent voted for Harris. That's an 8 point gap. Nevada, it's even bigger. Abortion, the ballot measure gets 64 percent. Harris gets 47.5 -- almost 17 points. In Missouri, which is a red state, where Harris was never expected to win, abortion rights gets 52 percent. Harris gets 40. Wow. Then you look at Florida, where I think some Democrats had begun to hope that abortion might actually pull it out for them. The abortion ballot measure got 57 percent support. Harris got 43 percent. Wow. So you're talking about, in a bunch of these cases, double digit gaps between those who cared enough about abortion to vote to enshrine it in their state's constitution and those willing to vote for Harris. And essentially, what this data you just cited reveals is that a bunch of people were capable of holding two thoughts in their heads at once and splitting those two things up. That's right. And this is something that a lot of people had actually tried to warn about, that even in some of the earlier ballot measures, like in California, in 2022, the ballot measures were outperforming Democrats. The ballot measure in California got more votes than the state's popular governor, Gavin Newsom, who's a Democrat. So this shouldn't have been seen as a silver bullet strategy. But by the end, people really thought it was going to be that. But I think it's worth explaining why Democrats, especially, thought that a vote for abortion rights was, quite logically, going to be a vote for Kamala Harris in this race. And that's because of the unique, singular role that Trump played in appointing the Supreme Court that overturned \"Roe,\" because, as you just told us, Kate, in the first half of this conversation, Democrats seemed to benefit a lot from the issue of abortion in the last election, the 2022 midterms, and because Kamala Harris was campaigning so emphatically and explicitly as the candidate of abortion rights. That's right. And I think, also, if you think about the way abortion has traditionally been framed, it's an issue of women's rights. So I think a lot of Democrats thought it was reasonable to think, all these people coming out to support abortion rights are also going to be excited about the idea of electing the country's first female president. So just walk us through, in the kind of postmortem way that I'm sure Democrats are, the understanding of why so many voters split their ballot. One way to think about this is that Harris was actually a victim of her own success, in the way she changed how the country thought about abortion. Just explain that, because that's a little bit of a complicated idea. If you're coming at this from the perspective of wanting to increase abortion access or guarantee abortion access, it was really smart to talk about this as a matter of health care, as a matter of health care freedom and the right to make your own decisions, because it really appeals to a libertarian spirit in this country and a sentiment that a lot of independents and Republicans have. So you saw people crossing traditional party lines to vote for abortion rights. But those people who might now see abortion rights as something they want to support aren't necessarily going to be on board for the rest of the Democratic agenda. They're not necessarily going to be the people who want student loan forgiveness, for example. They're not necessarily going to be the people who want to vote for the country's first female president. But, of course, the thing that also has to be true here, for those who are going to split their tickets on this scale that we're talking about, is that these voters have to not see Trump as a threat to abortion rights. Right. And Trump effectively neutralized the issue for himself because, as much as he was saying to anti-abortion groups, I'm the guy who finally got the court to overturn \"Roe v. Wade,\" he was saying to people who support abortion rights, you don't have to worry about me. I'm not going to impose a national ban on abortion. I just want to give all this back to the states. And polls showed that people believed him. For instance, in a Times poll two months before the election, 70 percent of Trump voters said they did not believe that he would sign a national ban on abortion. So in some sense, the way to look at this is, Harris's strategy was effective. But so was Trump's. In the end, Kate, what seems really significant about this election is that it gave voters who cared about abortion rights the ability to say so in their vote without voting for the candidate who claimed she was the champion of abortion rights, Kamala Harris. And that makes me wonder, are Democrats looking back and asking themselves if putting abortion on the ballot as its own issue was a mistake, that they could have done it a different year and then asked people to vote on abortion by voting for Harris. I think that conversation is surely happening. But for abortion rights groups, the immediate issue is restoring abortion access. And so, they're looking at that conversation and saying, don't be so cynical. If we're talking about this as a matter of women dying, we're not going to wait another year and let more women die. We need to fix this now. Issue over party. Absolutely. And that's not to say that, of course, these groups wanted Kamala Harris to win the White House. But they're also incredibly grateful to her. Her legacy becomes that she spoke about abortion in a different way. They would say that she was a big reason that the issue won, the way she talked about abortion and got the Democratic Party, which had always really hesitated -- Joe Biden did not want to say the word, abortion. Kamala Harris changed all that. And so, her legacy is this expansion of abortion rights, this protection of abortion rights in some states. And that's not nothing. Put a different way, abortion rights didn't help Kamala Harris win in 2024. But Kamala Harris helped abortion rights win in 2024. That's certainly how abortion rights groups see that. It strikes me, Kate, that for many Democrats and many Democratic women, there's going to be a lot of dissonance in the results of this election because there is simultaneously this huge electoral win for what many see as an essential woman's right, an abortion, and a huge electoral defeat for the woman candidate for president who championed that right. And I think that dissonance is at the heart of a lot of shock that many women are feeling about this because, for so long, feminism and abortion were intertwined. So it was easy for them to think, the public is really moved on abortion rights. That means the public supports women's rights. The reason that abortion rights groups used to center the phrase and the idea of my body, my choice, was because they really saw abortion as the right of women to determine the course of their own lives. But in this election, that wasn't how we talked about abortion. Kamala Harris and the supporters of these ballot measures didn't talk about feminism and abortion. They decoupled those two things. Abortion is about protecting women who want to be mothers and making sure that a husband doesn't need to worry about his wife, giving him and her doctor the ability to help her make this decision. So the path for abortion rights is making it less and less of a feminist idea. It's making it more about protecting women, but in a paternal way. And that's not the same as autonomy for women. Right. None of those campaign ads and none of those campaign speeches acknowledged the simple reality that a woman in the United States might want to have an abortion because she might not want to have a baby. Right. That decoupling leaves feminism in a really uncertain place. It really diminished the question of, do we trust women to determine the course of their own lives? So when you look at last Tuesday, you can argue that the results tell us that we've changed the way we talk about abortion. We've changed the way we think about abortion. But what we haven't changed is the way we think about and talk about women. [MUSIC PLAYING] Well, Kate, thank you very much. Thank you, Michael. [MUSIC PLAYING] We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today. With two senior appointments, President-elect Trump laid the groundwork for carrying out the large-scale deportation of undocumented immigrants that his campaign long promised. According to The Times, Trump is expected to name Stephen Miller as his White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy and Tom Homan as his border czar. During Trump's first term, both men promoted the zero tolerance policy that led to the separation of thousands of undocumented immigrants from their children at the US-Mexico border. And -- This is the last time I will stand here at Arlington as Commander-in-Chief. It's been the greatest honor of my life, to lead you, to serve you, to care for you, to defend you, just as you defended us, generation after generation after generation. On Monday, President Biden observed his final Veterans Day as President at Arlington National Cemetery, where he lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Without mentioning Trump by name, Biden offered a firm contrast with the former President, who, according to aides, mocked veterans who were killed in battle. So for all the military families, for all those with their loved ones still missing or unaccounted for, for all Americans grieving the loss of a loved one who wore the uniform, Jill and I want you to know, we see you. We thank you. And we'll never stop working to meet our sacred obligation to you and your family. [MUSIC PLAYING] Today's episode was produced by Asthaa Chaturvedi and Carlos Prieto. It was edited by MJ Davis Lin, contains original music by Elisheba Ittoop, Pat McCusker, and Dan Powell, and was engineered by Chris Wood. Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Landsverk of Wonderly. [MUSIC PLAYING] That's it for \"The Daily.\" I'm Michael Barbaro. See you tomorrow. 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Wade.\"","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":283.91,"start":280.63}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And most of the states also say that, after that point, the legislature can regulate abortion.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":288.38,"start":283.91}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"But they can't prohibit women from getting abortions if they need them in a medical emergency.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":292.94,"start":288.38}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"So essentially, what all of these ballot measures are doing is restoring \"Roe,\" but in the state constitution, instead of having it in the federal constitution.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":300.002,"start":292.94}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"Fascinating.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":301.21,"start":300.002}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"So let's turn to the mechanics of the 2024 ballot initiatives and the plan to extend this abortion rights winning streak to a much broader set of states, with the reality, of course, that must have been in the back of everyone's head, that 2024 was different because it's a presidential year.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":318.317,"start":301.21}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Right.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":319.15,"start":318.317}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"It's the first presidential year post -\"Dobbs.\"","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":321.72,"start":319.15}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"So there are two ways of looking at this.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":323.56,"start":321.72}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And those two ways do overlap.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":325.68,"start":323.56}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And the first is that abortion rights groups are looking at all these states where, post -\"Dobbs,\" there are bans on abortion, and thinking, these ballot measures can be a way of restoring abortion access.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":336.4,"start":325.68}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Democrats, meanwhile, are looking at how abortion has galvanized all these voters.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":341.95,"start":336.4}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"The lesson coming out of the 2022 midterms was that the candidates of abortion rights won.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":347.68,"start":341.96}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"The Democrats headed off the red wave in the House of Representatives.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":351.83,"start":347.68}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Anti-abortion candidates lost in a couple of states.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":354.63,"start":351.83}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And they're thinking, OK, we can use this issue to power victories for our candidates who stand for abortion rights, and Democrats in particular.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":363.405,"start":354.63}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"This is really going to galvanize turnout.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":365.155,"start":363.405}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"Right.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":366.113,"start":365.165}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"The thinking was that, even when Joe Biden was the nominee, and a relatively weak nominee vis a vis Trump in the polls, that abortion rights could make the difference in a few key battleground states because it was going to bring out voters who care about abortion.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":382.17,"start":366.113}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"And those voters would see the Democrat as the only logical candidate to protect abortion rights, given Trump's role in reversing \"Roe v. Wade.\"","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":390.507,"start":382.17}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Yeah, and this wasn't some pie in the sky thing.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":393.09,"start":390.507}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"This was a proven strategy.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":394.56,"start":393.09}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"So this was something not only that Democrats thought was going to work, but that Republicans thought was going to work.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":400.07,"start":394.56}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"How do folks end up choosing the 10 states that they do, where these ballot amendments end up being?","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":407.58,"start":400.08}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"So as abortion rights groups and Democrats go into 2024 and the presidential race, there are only 17 states in the entire country that allow citizen-sponsored ballot measures, which means that people can sign a petition.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":421.025,"start":407.59}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"You gather petitions outside your grocery store or your hardware store, whatever.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":424.4,"start":421.025}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And people put this question directly before the voters.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":427.64,"start":424.4}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And of those 17 states, 10 of them had abortion bans.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":431.257,"start":427.64}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"So this was always going to be a limited strategy.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":433.34,"start":431.257}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"Got it.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":433.76,"start":433.35}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"So when it comes to the 10 measures that are on the ballot this year, some of those are blue states that are just trying to enshrine a right to abortion that's already in state law.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":442.21,"start":433.77}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And that's New York, Colorado, and Maryland.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":445.75,"start":442.21}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Then you have red and purple states, where either abortion is already banned, or the state legislature and the governor are trying to ban abortion.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":455.24,"start":445.75}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And the goal of the ballot measure there is either to overturn the ban or to hold a ban off.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":459.41,"start":455.24}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"So those states are Montana, Missouri, South Dakota, Florida, Nebraska, Nevada, and Arizona.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":465.98,"start":459.41}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"And, of course, two of the states that you just mentioned in your red and purple list are battleground states, Nevada and Arizona.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":472.71,"start":465.99}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"So as everyone gears up to try to protect abortion rights in these 10 states in time for last Tuesday, what ends up being the playbook deployed in all of these states?","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":488.76,"start":472.71}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"So the sponsors of these ballot measures are seeing that there's a shift in the way Americans are thinking about abortion.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":495.95,"start":488.77}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"A lot of Americans, a lot of people I talk to, particularly men, thought, or think, that abortion is something that irresponsible women use as birth control.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":504.69,"start":495.95}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And that's not necessarily true.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":506.25,"start":504.69}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"But that was the bias.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":507.41,"start":506.25}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"That was the real stigma around abortion.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":509.37,"start":507.41}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"What's happening, as you see all these states ban abortion, is people are seeing the very real consequences of this.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":514.98,"start":509.37}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And they're seeing that women who have much wanted pregnancies can't get medical care when they need it.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":521.107,"start":514.98}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING^","text":"For as long as I can remember, I wanted to be a mom.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":524.19,"start":521.107}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING^","text":"I'm lucky to have my son.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":526.05,"start":524.19}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING^","text":"But I wasn't lucky with my second pregnancy.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":528.77,"start":526.05}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING^","text":"There was a fetal anomaly.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":530.57,"start":528.77}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING^","text":"And to protect myself, I 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far.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":550.81,"start":548.1}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"The ad that I think about a lot was one in Florida where you have this couple.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":554.83,"start":550.82}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And the woman is saying --","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":556.66,"start":554.83}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING^","text":"Due to the abortion ban, I was being forced to carry the baby from 23 weeks all the way to 37 weeks.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":566.72,"start":556.67}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"I had to carry a pregnancy to 37 weeks, even though I knew, and even though doctors told me, this would not be a healthy 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BARBARO","text":"Right.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":596.528,"start":595.58}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"These ads end up feeling quite strikingly non-partisan, or almost post-partisan.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":602.92,"start":596.528}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"They're all about women's health.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":606.39,"start":602.92}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Yes, and polls are showing that these ads are changing minds, that people who see them are more inclined to support abortion rights.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":614.52,"start":606.4}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"You mentioned, Kate, that Democrats end up seizing on these ballot initiatives as well, hoping that they're going to boost turnout for 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JB Pritzker.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":651.39,"start":649.06}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING (JB PRITZKER)^","text":"Americans don't want to be forced to drive 100 miles to deliver a baby because a draconian abortion law shut down the maternity ward!","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":661.8,"start":651.4}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Gretchen Whitmer, Michelle Obama, all coming out and talking about this.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":665.6,"start":661.81}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING (MICHELLE OBAMA)^","text":"One woman spent 22 days in jail on murder charges after she miscarried in her own bathroom.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":675.29,"start":665.61}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING (MICHELLE OBAMA)^","text":"We are seeing doctors unsure if they can treat ectopic pregnancies.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":680.222,"start":675.29}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"Right.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":681.18,"start":680.222}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"She spoke very explicitly about women bleeding out on a hospital bed because of some of these state bans on abortion.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":691.05,"start":681.18}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Yeah, and that message from Michelle Obama really closes out Kamala Harris's campaign, talking about how you need to vote for Democratic candidates because this issue is life and death for many women.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":701.97,"start":691.06}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And on Election Day, when we look at the results of these ballot measures, it's an incredible success for the abortion rights side.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":707.79,"start":701.97}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"In Arizona, it wins by 62 percent, in Nevada by 64 percent.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":715.82,"start":711.04}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Missouri becomes the first state to overturn a ban on abortion.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":720.95,"start":715.82}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And they get 52 percent of support.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":722.648,"start":720.95}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"In a very red state.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":724.19,"start":722.648}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Yeah.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":724.982,"start":724.2}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Even in one of those three states where the ballot measure didn't succeed, which is Florida, it still got a majority of support.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":730.7,"start":724.982}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"It was 57 percent.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":731.84,"start":730.7}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"It was just that Florida required 60 percent to pass.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":734.57,"start":731.84}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"So not just wins for abortion rights in these seven states, but clear majorities.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":739.97,"start":734.58}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Yeah, and I think, in some states, it was even more support for abortion rights than the sponsors expected.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":745.15,"start":739.98}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"It also helped Democrats in some down ballot races for Congress and state legislatures.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":750.91,"start":745.15}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"But the Democrat who everyone thought it would help the most did not benefit from this.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":757.18,"start":750.91}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And that was Kamala Harris.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":758.595,"start":757.18}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"[MUSIC PLAYING]","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":761.954,"start":758.605}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"We'll be right back.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":767.784,"start":765.88}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"[MUSIC PLAYING]","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":771.242,"start":767.794}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"So, Kate, how much did these mostly-winning abortion rights amendments not help Kamala Harris?","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":789.64,"start":780.64}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"Quantify that for us.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":791.94,"start":789.64}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"It's a pretty huge gap.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":794.11,"start":791.95}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And, of course, the votes are still being counted.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":796.69,"start":794.11}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"But from what we know now on Monday afternoon, if you look at Arizona, for instance, a battleground state, remember, I just told you that 62 percent voted for the abortion measure.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":807.33,"start":796.69}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"46 percent voted for Harris.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":809.53,"start":807.33}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"That's an 8 point gap.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":810.85,"start":809.54}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Nevada, it's even bigger.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":812.41,"start":810.85}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Abortion, the ballot measure gets 64 percent.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":814.72,"start":812.41}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Harris gets 47.5 --","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":816.46,"start":814.72}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"almost 17 points.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":817.98,"start":816.46}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"In Missouri, which is a red state, where Harris was never expected to win, abortion rights gets 52 percent.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":823.68,"start":817.98}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Harris gets 40.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":824.745,"start":823.68}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"Wow.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":825.62,"start":824.745}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Then you look at Florida, where I think some Democrats had begun to hope that abortion might actually pull it out for them.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":832.91,"start":825.63}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"The abortion ballot measure got 57 percent support.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":836.25,"start":832.91}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"Harris got 43 percent.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":837.855,"start":836.25}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"Wow.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":838.73,"start":837.855}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"So you're talking about, in a bunch of these cases, double digit gaps between those who cared enough about abortion to vote to enshrine it in their state's constitution and those willing to vote for Harris.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":855.84,"start":838.73}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"And essentially, what this data you just cited reveals is that a bunch of people were capable of holding two thoughts in their heads at once and splitting those two things up.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":864.375,"start":855.84}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"That's right.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":865.5,"start":864.375}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"And this is something that a lot of people had actually tried to warn about, that even in some of the earlier ballot measures, like in California, in 2022, the ballot measures were outperforming Democrats.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":877.74,"start":865.5}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"The ballot measure in California got more votes than the state's popular governor, Gavin Newsom, who's a Democrat.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":883.16,"start":877.74}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"So this shouldn't have been seen as a silver bullet strategy.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":886.73,"start":883.16}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"KATE ZERNIKE","text":"But by the end, people really 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deportation of undocumented immigrants that his campaign long promised.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":1380.95,"start":1369.33}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"According to The Times, Trump is expected to name Stephen Miller as his White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy and Tom Homan as his border czar.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":1392.07,"start":1380.95}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"During Trump's first term, both men promoted the zero tolerance policy that led to the separation of thousands of undocumented immigrants from their children at the US-Mexico border.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":1405.3,"start":1392.07}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"And --","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":1406.2,"start":1405.3}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING (JOE BIDEN)^","text":"This is the last time I will stand here at Arlington as Commander-in-Chief.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":1411.29,"start":1406.21}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING (JOE BIDEN)^","text":"It's been the greatest honor of my life, to lead you, to serve you, to care for you, to defend you, just as you defended us, generation after generation after generation.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":1425.3,"start":1411.29}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"On Monday, President Biden observed his final Veterans Day as President at Arlington National Cemetery, where he lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":1437.6,"start":1425.31}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"MICHAEL BARBARO","text":"Without mentioning Trump by name, Biden offered a firm contrast with the former President, who, according to aides, mocked veterans who were killed in battle.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":1450.71,"start":1437.6}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING (JOE BIDEN)^","text":"So for all the military families, for all those with their loved ones still missing or unaccounted for, for all Americans grieving the loss of a loved one who wore the uniform, Jill and I want you to know, we see you.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":1465.7,"start":1450.72}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING (JOE BIDEN)^","text":"We thank you.","timecode":{"__typename":"AudioTimecode","end":1467.47,"start":1465.7}},{"__typename":"AudioTranscriptFragment","speaker":"^ARCHIVED RECORDING (JOE BIDEN)^","text":"And we'll never stop working to meet our sacred obligation to you and your 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