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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sociology" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sociology">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Sociology</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Sociology</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">sociology articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-mid"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_sociology_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance sociology articles">Mid</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Mid-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sociology/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Religious club <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2603:3023:916:4A88:111:7623:3FF3:3B9E" title="Special:Contributions/2603:3023:916:4A88:111:7623:3FF3:3B9E">2603:3023:916:4A88:111:7623:3FF3:3B9E</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2603:3023:916:4A88:111:7623:3FF3:3B9E&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2603:3023:916:4A88:111:7623:3FF3:3B9E (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-2603:3023:916:4A88:111:7623:3FF3:3B9E-20220819162000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 19 August 2022 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2603:3023:916:4A88:111:7623:3FF3:3B9E-20220819162000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2603:3023:916:4A88:111:7623:3FF3:3B9E-20220819162000"></span> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="History" data-mw-thread-id="h-History-2005-05-29T06:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-History-2005-05-29T06:29:00.000Z"></span>History<span data-mw-comment-end="h-History-2005-05-29T06:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Club_(organization)&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: History"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-70.112.72.88-2009-06-15T04:00:00.000Z-History"></span>The reference to the Hoboken Turtle Club mentions that it existed as of 1911. In fact, the club existed much later than that -- at least until 1939. Should this be changed? My source for this is a New Yorker article that makes mention of it from that year: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20061211133042rn_2/www.newyorker.com/archive/content/articles/010219fr_mitchell?010219fr_mitchell">http://web.archive.org/web/20061211133042rn_2/www.newyorker.com/archive/content/articles/010219fr_mitchell?010219fr_mitchell</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.112.72.88" title="Special:Contributions/70.112.72.88">70.112.72.88</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.112.72.88&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:70.112.72.88 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-70.112.72.88-2009-06-15T04:00:00.000Z-History" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:00, 15 June 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.112.72.88-2009-06-15T04:00:00.000Z-History"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.112.72.88-2009-06-15T04:00:00.000Z-History"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2005-05-29T06:29:00.000Z-History"></span>Can the paragraph beginning, "The number of regularly established clubs in London is now..." be safely omitted? It seems to be just a list of clubs current as of 1911, and thuse irrelevant to the modern day even in a historical sense. <a href="/wiki/User:--_April" title="User:-- April">-- April</a> </p><p>Probably. I just cut and pasted this one since I have an aesthetic aversion to empty pages, I don't know anything about the club scene myself. <a href="/wiki/User:Bryan_Derksen" title="User:Bryan Derksen">Bryan Derksen</a> </p><p>And I'm grateful! The history of clubs is quite interesting, actually, and we may want to keep some sections of it. But modernizing the end of it will take work - there's everything from the club scene to chess clubs to cover. <a href="/wiki/User:--_April" title="User:-- April">-- April</a> </p><p>I removed three more paragraphs specific to turn-of-the-century English clubs. Historians can always go to the 11854564564897944844888845844444 Britannica if they're curious. :) <a href="/wiki/User:--_April" title="User:-- April">-- April</a> </p><p>The article <a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">Club</a> rhubarbs for ages about stuffy London gentleman's clubs, but next to nothing about the sort of ordinary sport or whatever club that very many ordinary people are in. I split off the Roman clubs section and the Greek clubs section onto separate pages.<a href="/wiki/User:Anthony_Appleyard" title="User:Anthony Appleyard">Anthony Appleyard</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Anthony_Appleyard-2005-05-29T06:29:00.000Z-History" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 29 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2005-05-29T06:29:00.000Z-History"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2005-05-29T06:29:00.000Z-History"></span> </p><p>In the list of famous members of the Bread Street/Friday Street Club, I'm trying to add links for them all. I can't figure out who Beaumont or Fletcher are. There aren't any famous Beaumonts of the period in WP, and there are two famous Fletchers, both literary (John and Phineas). Can anyone with a direct knowledge of the club itself help me out? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:--_Trinite&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:-- Trinite (page does not exist)">--Trinite</a> 16:43, 13 Mar 2006 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cleanup" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cleanup-2005-09-21T17:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cleanup-2005-09-21T17:14:00.000Z"></span>Cleanup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cleanup-2005-09-21T17:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Club_(organization)&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Cleanup"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kewp-2005-09-21T17:14:00.000Z-Cleanup"></span>I placed the {{cleanup-date|September 2005}} tag on this page. I think it's too long and meandering--it need sections, etc. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kewp" title="User:Kewp">Kewp</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Kewp-2005-09-21T17:14:00.000Z-Cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 21 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kewp-2005-09-21T17:14:00.000Z-Cleanup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kewp-2005-09-21T17:14:00.000Z-Cleanup"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ClaudeMuncey-2005-11-12T17:21:00.000Z-Cleanup"></span>In response to the cleanup request, I split this article into sections, and rearranged some stuff to match. To balance it out, some material on ancient clubs may have to move back, and additional material on political and social clubs included. <a href="/wiki/User:ClaudeMuncey" title="User:ClaudeMuncey">ClaudeMuncey</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-ClaudeMuncey-2005-11-12T17:21:00.000Z-Cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 12 November 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ClaudeMuncey-2005-11-12T17:21:00.000Z-Cleanup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ClaudeMuncey-2005-11-12T17:21:00.000Z-Cleanup"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Club_(disamgibuation),_Club,_Social_Cub_and_their_relatives_have_an_illogical_structure." data-mw-thread-id="h-Club_(disamgibuation),_Club,_Social_Cub_and_their_relatives_have_an_illogical_st-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"><span id="Club_.28disamgibuation.29.2C_Club.2C_Social_Cub_and_their_relatives_have_an_illogical_structure."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Club_(disamgibuation),_Club,_Social_Cub_and_their_relatives_have_an_illogical_st-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"></span>Club (disamgibuation), Club, Social Cub and their relatives have an illogical structure.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Club_(disamgibuation),_Club,_Social_Cub_and_their_relatives_have_an_illogical_st-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Club_(organization)&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Club (disamgibuation), Club, Social Cub and their relatives have an illogical structure."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z-Club_(disamgibuation),_Club,_Social_Cub_and_their_relatives_have_an_illogical_st"></span>The official club disambiguation page (<a href="/wiki/Club_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Club (disambiguation)">Club (disambiguation)</a>) is not very good. It is incomplete and only lists one category of social <b><a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">club</a></b>, while discussing <a href="/wiki/Sports_club" title="Sports club">sports clubs</a>, <a href="/wiki/Country_clubs" class="mw-redirect" title="Country clubs">country clubs</a>, <a href="/wiki/Health_clubs" class="mw-redirect" title="Health clubs">health clubs</a> and <a href="/wiki/Gyms" class="mw-redirect" title="Gyms">gyms</a> at the same level of detail. For example, <b>social clubs</b> and <b>country clubs</b> are listed as distinct categories. This page (<b><a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">club</a></b>) does a step further and gives disambiguation at a higher level of detail, which is necessary because there are so many types of social clubs, many of which overlap. Furthermore a search for "club" takes one to <b><a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">club</a></b> not to <b><a href="/wiki/Club_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Club (disambiguation)">club (disambiguation)</a></b>. The whole structure of the club subject is fraught with logical errors. </p><p>The <a href="/wiki/Club_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Club (disambiguation)">Club (disambiguation)</a> page does not have a link to <b><a href="/wiki/Social_club" title="Social club">Social club</a></b>! That could be corrected, but there are other problems. In reality <b>country clubs</b> should overlap heavily and be cited extensively in the article, <b><a href="/wiki/Social_clubs" class="mw-redirect" title="Social clubs">social clubs</a></b>, but the latter ignores many classes of social clubs and partly social clubs. </p><p>Furthermore, <a href="/wiki/Club_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Club (disambiguation)">Club (disambiguation)</a> is inaccurate, since <a href="/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_club" title="Gentlemen's club">Gentlemen's club</a> is a common euphemism for a strip club. </p><p>Again, there is no need for references in this article because they are provided in the individual articles. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zeamays" title="User:Zeamays">Zeamays</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zeamays" title="User talk:Zeamays">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z-Club_(disamgibuation),_Club,_Social_Cub_and_their_relatives_have_an_illogical_st" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z-Club_(disamgibuation),_Club,_Social_Cub_and_their_relatives_have_an_illogical_st"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z-Club_(disamgibuation),_Club,_Social_Cub_and_their_relatives_have_an_illogical_st"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bduke-2007-12-09T22:08:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"></span>I do not agree. The fact that individual articles have references is OK for lists, but this is not a list and it should be referenced. I have not reverted your removal of the tag, but I think we should try to get consensus here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Bduke" title="User:Bduke">Bduke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bduke" title="User talk:Bduke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Bduke-2007-12-09T22:08:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bduke-2007-12-09T22:08:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bduke-2007-12-09T22:08:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrainyBabe-2007-12-10T22:14:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"></span>I agree with <a href="/wiki/User:Zeamays" title="User:Zeamays">Zeamays</a> that the <b>club</b> family is imperfect: the answer is to correct the errors and improve the overall structure. I agree with <a href="/wiki/User:Bduke" title="User:Bduke">Bduke</a> that this article, <a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">club</a>, is not a list but a proper article, and as such should be properly referenced. There are articles I have contributed to in which virtually every section begins with a "main" tag, and one of the chief jobs of those who watch the article is to hone the contributions of the eager many, and direct their enthusiasm to the separate articles. One example is <a href="/wiki/Horse" title="Horse">horse</a>, which is long, but which nonetheless spins off as much as possible into daughter articles. Although the <i>club</i> family of articles is not likely to attract the level and rate of editorial additions that <i>horse</i> does, I think it is a perfectly valid method of controlling and shaping a group of information.</dd> <dd>Two points of fact: <a href="/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_club" title="Gentlemen's club">gentlemen's club</a> is a legitimate term with its primary meaning the long-standing one. They are still important features of the British establishment, not merely archaisms or historical footnotes. We have encyclopedic standards to maintain; it is entirely appropriate to have an article about <a href="/wiki/Strip_club" title="Strip club">strip clubs</a>, and indicate that they are also known as gentlemen's clubs, but that is a euphemistic colloquialism.</dd> <dd>Secondly, <a href="/wiki/Social_club" title="Social club">social club</a> and <a href="/wiki/Country_club" title="Country club">country club</a> do not overlap to a great extent in Britain, where I am writing from. If the former article is missing information, please add to it.</dd> <dd>I have put many hours into some of these articles, especially <a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">club</a> and <a href="/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_club" title="Gentlemen's club">gentlemen's club</a>. Frankly, they were pretty dire before I decided to get my hands dirty; and they are still far from adequate now, particularly with regard to references. I welcome constructive engagement with them, but I may not be able to contribute much over the next couple of weeks -- it depends on my activities outside WP, which are a bit unpredictable. Good luck! <a href="/wiki/User:BrainyBabe" class="mw-redirect" title="User:BrainyBabe">BrainyBabe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrainyBabe" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BrainyBabe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-BrainyBabe-2007-12-10T22:14:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrainyBabe-2007-12-10T22:14:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrainyBabe-2007-12-10T22:14:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrainyBabe-2007-12-10T22:20:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"></span>I forgot to say, I don't know how to arrange it, but it would be great if a search for "club" would go straight to the dab page, not to this one. People might be thinking of <a href="/wiki/Golf_clubs" class="mw-redirect" title="Golf clubs">golf clubs</a> (the implements) or <a href="/wiki/Juggling_club" title="Juggling club">juggling clubs</a> or any of many other meanings. <a href="/wiki/User:BrainyBabe" class="mw-redirect" title="User:BrainyBabe">BrainyBabe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrainyBabe" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BrainyBabe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-BrainyBabe-2007-12-10T22:20:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrainyBabe-2007-12-10T22:20:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrainyBabe-2007-12-10T22:20:00.000Z-Zeamays-2007-12-09T20:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_proposal_(2010)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_proposal_(2010)-2010-07-19T06:25:00.000Z"><span id="Merge_proposal_.282010.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_proposal_(2010)-2010-07-19T06:25:00.000Z"></span>Merge proposal (2010)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_proposal_(2010)-2010-07-19T06:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Club_(organization)&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Merge proposal (2010)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2010-07-19T06:25:00.000Z-Merge_proposal_(2010)"></span>The proposal is to merge <a href="/wiki/Voluntary_association" title="Voluntary association">Voluntary association</a> to here. As far as I can see, there are no significant conceptual distinctions – although there are of course differences in connotation; one wouldn't call a <i><a href="/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_club" title="Gentlemen's club">gentlemen's club</a></i> a <i>gentlemen's voluntary association</i>. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lambiam" title="User talk:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Lambiam-2010-07-19T06:25:00.000Z-Merge_proposal_(2010)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2010-07-19T06:25:00.000Z-Merge_proposal_(2010)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2010-07-19T06:25:00.000Z-Merge_proposal_(2010)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rorybowman-2010-08-07T19:07:00.000Z-Lambiam-2010-07-19T06:25:00.000Z"></span>AGAINST</b> There is a significant legal distinction in that the word "club" is used colloquially but the term "voluntary association" is often used to distinguish a legal entity from other types such as a <a href="/wiki/Cooperative" title="Cooperative">cooperative</a>, domestic <a href="/wiki/Corporation" title="Corporation">corporation</a>, <a href="/wiki/Charity" class="mw-disambig" title="Charity">charity</a> corporation or so on. Clubs may choose what type of <a href="/wiki/Legal_entity" class="mw-redirect" title="Legal entity">legal entity</a> to be, but the phrase <a href="/wiki/Voluntary_association" title="Voluntary association">voluntary association</a> often has a precise and technical legal meaning. <a href="/wiki/User:Rorybowman" title="User:Rorybowman">Rorybowman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rorybowman" title="User talk:Rorybowman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Rorybowman-2010-08-07T19:07:00.000Z-Lambiam-2010-07-19T06:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rorybowman-2010-08-07T19:07:00.000Z-Lambiam-2010-07-19T06:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rorybowman-2010-08-07T19:07:00.000Z-Lambiam-2010-07-19T06:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Clubbing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Clubbing-2010-11-15T01:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Clubbing-2010-11-15T01:17:00.000Z"></span>Clubbing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Clubbing-2010-11-15T01:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Club_(organization)&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Clubbing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SteveM123-2010-11-15T01:17:00.000Z-Clubbing"></span>It is said that clubbing is injurious to health. </p><p><small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:SteveM123" title="User:SteveM123">SteveM123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SteveM123" title="User talk:SteveM123">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SteveM123" title="Special:Contributions/SteveM123">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-SteveM123-2010-11-15T01:17:00.000Z-Clubbing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SteveM123-2010-11-15T01:17:00.000Z-Clubbing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SteveM123-2010-11-15T01:17:00.000Z-Clubbing"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_24_June_2015" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_24_June_2015-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_24_June_2015-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Requested move 24 June 2015<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_24_June_2015-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Club_(organization)&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Requested move 24 June 2015"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cuchullain-2015-07-06T18:28:00.000Z-Requested_move_24_June_2015"></span>The following is a closed discussion of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review" title="Wikipedia:Move review">move review</a>. No further edits should be made to this section. </i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the move request was: <b>Move</b> as proposed. <a href="/wiki/User:Cuchullain" title="User:Cuchullain">Cúchullain</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cuchullain" title="User talk:Cuchullain"><sup>t</sup></a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cuchullain" title="Special:Contributions/Cuchullain"><small>c</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Cuchullain-2015-07-06T18:28:00.000Z-Requested_move_24_June_2015" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cuchullain-2015-07-06T18:28:00.000Z-Requested_move_24_June_2015"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cuchullain-2015-07-06T18:28:00.000Z-Requested_move_24_June_2015"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><br/> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z-Requested_move_24_June_2015"></span>Club</a> → <a href="/wiki/Club_(organization)" title="Club (organization)">Club (organization)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Club_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Club (disambiguation)">Club (disambiguation)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">Club</a></li></ul> <p>– I do not believe that the organizational concept is the primary topic of "club", or that the term has any primary topic. The club as a weapon is older, and many incoming links are intended for the music genre. <a href="/wiki/User:BD2412" title="User:BD2412"><span style="background:gold"><i><b>bd2412</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BD2412" title="User talk:BD2412"><b>T</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z-Requested_move_24_June_2015" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 24 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z-Requested_move_24_June_2015"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z-Requested_move_24_June_2015"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregKaye-2015-06-24T18:21:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> <a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">Club</a> → <a href="/wiki/Club_(organization)" title="Club (organization)">Club (organization)</a> per no primary topic.</dd> <dd><b>Oppose</b> <a href="/wiki/Club_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Club (disambiguation)">Club (disambiguation)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">Club</a>. The title topic Club in this listing of many types of club needs itself to be disambiguated from all the many items listed within its own listing. A redirect to <a href="/wiki/Club_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Club (disambiguation)">Club (disambiguation)</a> provides a suitably solution for the disambiguation of the list. <a href="/wiki/User:GregKaye" title="User:GregKaye">Greg</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregKaye" title="User talk:GregKaye">Kaye</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-GregKaye-2015-06-24T18:21:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 24 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregKaye-2015-06-24T18:21:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GregKaye-2015-06-24T18:21:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T00:58:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> as proposed. GregKaye's proposal would result in a malplaced disambiguation page, which is something he seems to disagree with, but as yet has little support. <a href="/wiki/User:Bkonrad" title="User:Bkonrad">older</a> ≠ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bkonrad" title="User talk:Bkonrad">wiser</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T00:58:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T00:58:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T00:58:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Bkonrad" title="User:Bkonrad"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T00:58:00.000Z"></span>Bkonrad</a> Please consider definition of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=misplaced+define">malplaced</a> which do not apply. How is a disambiguation page malplaced at a location that presents it as containing disambiguations and in a way that disambiguates the list content presented from <i>any and all</i> items on the list? <a href="/wiki/User:GregKaye" title="User:GregKaye">Greg</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregKaye" title="User talk:GregKaye">Kaye</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T00:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T00:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T00:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T10:40:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z"></span>Because there is no primary topic, the disambiguation page should reside at the base name. <a href="/wiki/User:Bkonrad" title="User:Bkonrad">older</a> ≠ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bkonrad" title="User talk:Bkonrad">wiser</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T10:40:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T10:40:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T10:40:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:GregKaye" title="User:GregKaye"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BDD-2015-06-25T13:57:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z"></span>GregKaye</a>: see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MALPLACED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MALPLACED">WP:MALPLACED</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:BDD" title="User:BDD">BDD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BDD" title="User talk:BDD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-BDD-2015-06-25T13:57:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BDD-2015-06-25T13:57:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BDD-2015-06-25T13:57:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T04:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T19:03:00.000Z-BDD-2015-06-25T13:57:00.000Z"></span>TY <a href="/wiki/User:BDD" title="User:BDD">BDD</a> surely it is also a violation of WP:ASSERT to claim that an article is "malplaced" when no reasoned argument for this claim is given. <a href="/wiki/User:GregKaye" title="User:GregKaye">Greg</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregKaye" title="User talk:GregKaye">Kaye</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T19:03:00.000Z-BDD-2015-06-25T13:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T19:03:00.000Z-BDD-2015-06-25T13:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T19:03:00.000Z-BDD-2015-06-25T13:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T19:31:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T19:03:00.000Z"></span>But there is reasoned argument for this--only you happen to disagree with the argument. That doesn't mean there is none. <a href="/wiki/User:Bkonrad" title="User:Bkonrad">older</a> ≠ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bkonrad" title="User talk:Bkonrad">wiser</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T19:31:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T19:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T19:31:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T19:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bkonrad-2015-06-25T19:31:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T19:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-70.51.203.69-2015-06-25T04:06:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Strong support</b> a club is a blunt instrument used to bludgeon and strike things. Further, it is a suite in a deck of cards. Tertiarily, it is an organization. -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.51.203.69" title="Special:Contributions/70.51.203.69">70.51.203.69</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:70.51.203.69" title="User talk:70.51.203.69">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-70.51.203.69-2015-06-25T04:06:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.51.203.69-2015-06-25T04:06:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.51.203.69-2015-06-25T04:06:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T05:11:00.000Z-70.51.203.69-2015-06-25T04:06:00.000Z"></span>Exactly, <i>a</i> club could be many different things which is why the disambiguation page should stay at <a href="/wiki/Club_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Club (disambiguation)">Club (disambiguation)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:GregKaye" title="User:GregKaye">Greg</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregKaye" title="User talk:GregKaye">Kaye</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T05:11:00.000Z-70.51.203.69-2015-06-25T04:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T05:11:00.000Z-70.51.203.69-2015-06-25T04:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T05:11:00.000Z-70.51.203.69-2015-06-25T04:06:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BD2412-2015-06-25T17:41:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T05:11:00.000Z"></span>Under your approach, <a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">Club</a> would be a redirect to <a href="/wiki/Club_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Club (disambiguation)">Club (disambiguation)</a>. That would make this title inconsistent with literally hundreds of thousands of titles that avoid such a pattern. I am not at all averse to discussing whether that is the more precise title, but we should do so in a general policy discussion, not in the context of creating a single outlier. <a href="/wiki/User:BD2412" title="User:BD2412"><span style="background:gold"><i><b>bd2412</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BD2412" title="User talk:BD2412"><b>T</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-BD2412-2015-06-25T17:41:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T05:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BD2412-2015-06-25T17:41:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T05:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BD2412-2015-06-25T17:41:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-06-25T05:11:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Club_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Club (disambiguation)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T18:58:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-25T17:41:00.000Z"></span>Club (disambiguation)</a> is a perfectly sensible article title for a list of disambiguated articles that relate to the term club. No confusion is generated. Please explain the problem. The article is not about a club and has a different content. There is an extremely close natural association between article titles <a href="/wiki/Club_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Club (disambiguation)">Club (disambiguation)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">Club</a>. How does this, I think, reasonable suggestion constitute a generation of an <a href="/wiki/Outlier" title="Outlier">outlier</a>? Are there no other examples that follow what seems to me to be a logical and grammatically sound solution? <a href="/wiki/User:GregKaye" title="User:GregKaye">Greg</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregKaye" title="User talk:GregKaye">Kaye</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T18:58:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-25T17:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T18:58:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-25T17:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GregKaye-2015-06-25T18:58:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-25T17:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kennethaw88-2015-06-26T00:37:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> per nom. This is not a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC">WP:PRIMARYTOPIC</a>, and the disambiguation should be moved per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MALPLACED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MALPLACED">WP:MALPLACED</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Kennethaw88" title="User:Kennethaw88">kennethaw88</a></b> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kennethaw88" title="User talk:Kennethaw88">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Kennethaw88-2015-06-26T00:37:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:37, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kennethaw88-2015-06-26T00:37:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kennethaw88-2015-06-26T00:37:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Red_Slash-2015-06-26T05:17:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Reasonably strong oppose</b> for several reasons. This seems like a pretty straightforward primary topic to me, especially since we ain't writing a dictionary. I do join the chorus of voices that <a href="/wiki/Club" class="mw-disambig" title="Club">Club</a> <i>must not</i> redirect to a dab page. If consensus ends up deciding that there's no primary topic, the dab page <b>must</b> be moved here. <a href="/wiki/User:Red_Slash" title="User:Red Slash"><span style="color:#FF4131;">Red </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Red_Slash" title="User talk:Red Slash"><b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Red_Slash-2015-06-26T05:17:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:17, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Red_Slash-2015-06-26T05:17:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Red_Slash-2015-06-26T05:17:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-70.51.203.69-2015-06-27T04:19:00.000Z-Red_Slash-2015-06-26T05:17:00.000Z"></span>The primary topic, if there is one, is the blunt object, which has historically been an element of many crimes and much warfare, and most of human pre-history and history. -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.51.203.69" title="Special:Contributions/70.51.203.69">70.51.203.69</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:70.51.203.69" title="User talk:70.51.203.69">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-70.51.203.69-2015-06-27T04:19:00.000Z-Red_Slash-2015-06-26T05:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.51.203.69-2015-06-27T04:19:00.000Z-Red_Slash-2015-06-26T05:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.51.203.69-2015-06-27T04:19:00.000Z-Red_Slash-2015-06-26T05:17:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-76.120.162.73-2015-06-30T23:01:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>, the type of organization is not the main topic <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.120.162.73" title="Special:Contributions/76.120.162.73">76.120.162.73</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:76.120.162.73" title="User talk:76.120.162.73">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-76.120.162.73-2015-06-30T23:01:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 30 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-76.120.162.73-2015-06-30T23:01:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-76.120.162.73-2015-06-30T23:01:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Necrothesp-2015-07-01T16:23:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> per nom. No clear primary topic. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Necrothesp" title="User:Necrothesp">Necrothesp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Necrothesp" title="User talk:Necrothesp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Club_(organization)#c-Necrothesp-2015-07-01T16:23:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 1 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Necrothesp-2015-07-01T16:23:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Necrothesp-2015-07-01T16:23:00.000Z-BD2412-2015-06-24T15:42:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review" title="Wikipedia:Move review">move review</a>. 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