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c16">「え?」</span> <span class="f13 c01">私</span><span class="f17 c01">「今回のような噴火は防げない。原因は運が悪かったとしか言えないと思う。それを避けるためには、火山には登らないことですね」</span> <span class="f13 c16">記者</span><span class="f13 c16">「・・・」</span> <span class="f13 c01">コメントにならなくてごめんね。</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/tigers_1964/status/517261460850749441" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-01 19:35:17</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='1' data-id='517266644448448512'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/dandonban' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="2" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">はるやすみ</strong> <span class="status_name">@dandonban</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/tigers_1964" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@tigers_1964</a> まず質問が悪いですよねw 「山登りでの被害を減らすべき対策はなんでしょう?」ならば、常時からヘルメットを着用するとか、避難場所を確認していおく などの回答がありますが【被害を出さない】ならその回答以外はあり得ませんよねw<a href="https://x.com/SagamiNoriaki" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@SagamiNoriaki</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/dandonban/status/517266644448448512" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-01 19:55:53</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='2' data-id='517266240306286592'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/Dr_RasuKaru' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="3" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">となりのラスカル®</strong> <span class="status_name">@Dr_RasuKaru</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>でも、私もあれから考えてますが、それが結論になりそうです。 登山家の方には本当に申し訳ないと思いますが、ないんですよ。 ただ…日本に死火山は筑波山位しか知らない。 だから休火山が活動し始めた時の事を考えたかったのですが…。 今のところない。 <a href="https://x.com/tigers_1964" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@tigers_1964</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/Dr_RasuKaru/status/517266240306286592" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-01 19:54:16</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='3' data-id='517288638544379904'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/1972tue0127' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="4" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">∃.くるくるパーティー・狂茶党☤</strong> <span class="status_name">@1972tue0127</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/mimi_laboheme" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@mimi_laboheme</a> <a href="https://x.com/tigers_1964" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@tigers_1964</a> 火山は数十キロ圏居住すべきではないけど、日本の場合何処で線ひくかですね。 ちなみに阿蘇山が本気で噴火したら九州壊滅(現在予兆無し当面危険無しとの予測)イエローストーンが本気で噴火したら世界規模の大災害。(絶賛前兆有り)</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/1972tue0127/status/517288638544379904" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-01 21:23:16</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='4' data-id='517318744586989569'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/BON_NOB' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="5" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">BON_NOB</strong> <span class="status_name">@BON_NOB</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/BB45_Colorado" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@BB45_Colorado</a> <a href="https://x.com/tigers_1964" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@tigers_1964</a> 自分は、やはり火山の国・北海道は道東育ちで<span class="f17 c16">小学生の頃「雌阿寒岳」に家族で登ったりしてましたが、今思うとリスクと背中合わせだったんだなと。</span>当然小学生に覚悟などある訳もなく。今回、小6女児が行方不明というのが一番気になってます。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/BON_NOB/status/517318744586989569" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-01 23:22:54</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='5' data-id='517333142470811650'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/hosoi_to' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="6" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">ぬめりとり</strong> <span class="status_name">@hosoi_to</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>「大きな被害があり、こんなことが二度と起こらないようにするには何か方法はないのでしょうか?」という疑問は、いち読者である私にもあり、学者さんからすれば「シロートさんの発想かよ」と一笑に付す代物であったにしても、読者のかわりに質問した記者を支持したい。RT <a href="https://x.com/tigers_1964" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@tigers_1964</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/hosoi_to/status/517333142470811650" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-02 00:20:07</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='6' data-id='517340145071046656'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/tzgarage' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">H・たかさん</strong> <span class="status_name">@tzgarage</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/tigers_1964" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@tigers_1964</a> <a href="https://x.com/ozyszm" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@ozyszm</a> ある意味正論かも? 元々日本では山は信仰の対象であって、おいそれと立ち入ってはならない場所だったのだし。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/tzgarage/status/517340145071046656" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-02 00:47:56</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='7' data-id='517264636643516416'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/YoshinoBancho' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="8" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">よしの番長</strong> <span class="status_name">@YoshinoBancho</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>RT <a href="https://x.com/tigers_1964" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@tigers_1964</a> <a href="https://x.com/kikumaco" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@kikumaco</a> ちなみに、記者:「二度と交通事故被害を出さないようどうすべきでしょうか?」。私:「自動車を全廃すべきですね」って言うロジックも(やや極端ですが)、アリです。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/YoshinoBancho/status/517264636643516416" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-01 19:47:54</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='8' data-id='517265973850562560'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/kikumaco' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="9" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">あ〜る菊池誠(反緊縮)公式</strong> <span class="status_name">@kikumaco</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/YoshinoBancho" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@YoshinoBancho</a> 登山中の噴火による事故は防ぎようがない(予知もできないし、避ける方法もない)という意味なので、要するに火山に登る人はそのリスクはあると覚悟しなさいということですね</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/kikumaco/status/517265973850562560" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-01 19:53:13</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='9' data-id='517390990571601920'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/kiraguit' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="10" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">吉良知彦</strong> <span class="status_name">@kiraguit</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/kikumaco" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@kikumaco</a> <a href="https://x.com/YoshinoBancho" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@YoshinoBancho</a> <a href="https://x.com/takuramix" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@takuramix</a> こどもの頃<span class="f17 c16">、阿蘇山にのぼったらシェルターがあってその意味を知らされた</span>時、そういうことか!と思い知らされました</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/kiraguit/status/517390990571601920" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-02 04:09:59</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='10' data-id='517391708858761217'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/takuramix' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="11" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">タクラミックス</strong> <span class="status_name">@takuramix</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/kiraguit" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@kiraguit</a> <a href="https://x.com/kikumaco" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@kikumaco</a> <a href="https://x.com/YoshinoBancho" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@YoshinoBancho</a> あのシェルター、凄い分厚いコンクリートで、あのリアリティって凄いですよね。 あの記憶があるもので、火山にはなかなか近寄る気になれないですw</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/takuramix/status/517391708858761217" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-02 04:12:50</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='11' data-id='517270514826768384'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/tigers_1964' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="0" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">Ryusuke IMURA</strong> <span class="status_name">@tigers_1964</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f13 c01">だって,</span><span class="f20 c01">「二度と被害を出さない・・・」</span><span class="f13 c01">って聞かれたんだから,仕方ないじゃないか.「教訓は?」とか,「今後は?」という話なら,イロイロ答えたよ.</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/tigers_1964/status/517270514826768384" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-01 20:11:15</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='12' data-id='517275098110119936'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/YoshinoBancho' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="8" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">よしの番長</strong> <span class="status_name">@YoshinoBancho</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/tigers_1964" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@tigers_1964</a> マスコミのインタビュアーは一問一答じゃないんですから、ここでイロイロ答えましょうよ。真っ当な大学の真っ当な先生なんでしょ。せっかくの啓蒙の機会を逃してて残念。でも発言した結果、メディアの編集で「切られた」かも知れなくて、それなら良く解るんですが。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/YoshinoBancho/status/517275098110119936" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-01 20:29:28</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='13' data-id='517277346551066624'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/tigers_1964' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="0" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong class="emj">Ryusuke IMURA</strong> <span class="status_name">@tigers_1964</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>.<a href="https://x.com/YoshinoBancho" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@YoshinoBancho</a> <span class="f13 c01">ま,記者からのインタビューはこの問答の前にも30分くらいありました.それは噴火予知の可能性についてでした.30分以上私の予知に対する意見を記者の方は聞いていました.</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/tigers_1964/status/517277346551066624" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2014-10-01 20:38:24</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='14' data-id='517275418878279682'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/tigers_1964' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="0" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="1" /> <strong 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