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margin: 0 0 0.5em 0.5em; text-align:left; border: 1px solid #380000; width:175px;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="font-size: 95%; text-align:center; color:White; background-color:#380000"><b>Drink the Kool-Aid</b><br /><a href="/wiki/Cult" title="Cult"><font size="4" color="White"><b>Cults</b></font></a> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" align="center"><a href="/wiki/Category:Cults" title="Category:Cults"><img alt="RW Cult Template.png" src="/w/images/thumb/8/81/RW_Cult_Template.png/100px-RW_Cult_Template.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" srcset="/w/images/thumb/8/81/RW_Cult_Template.png/150px-RW_Cult_Template.png 1.5x, /w/images/8/81/RW_Cult_Template.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 95%; color:White; background-color:#380000; text-align:center;"><b>But you <i>WANT</i> to stay!</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 95%; background-color:#FFFFFF;"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Gorean" title="Gorean">Gorean</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Dianetics" title="Dianetics">Dianetics</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/World_Mission_Society_Church_of_God" title="World Mission Society Church of God">World Mission Society Church of God</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites" title="Black Hebrew Israelites">Black Hebrew Israelites</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Fascism" title="Fascism">Fascism</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Gamergate" title="Gamergate">Gamergate</a></li></ul> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 95%; color:White; background-color:#380000; text-align:center;"><b>Cults of personality</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 95%; background-color:#FFFFFF;"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Reyna_Chicas" title="Reyna Chicas">Reyna Chicas</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ayn_Rand" title="Ayn Rand">Ayn Rand</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ronald_Reagan" title="Ronald Reagan">Ronald Reagan</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Rick_Joyner" title="Rick Joyner">Rick Joyner</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">Donald Trump</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Javier_Milei" title="Javier Milei">Javier Milei</a></li></ul> <div class="vte plainlinks" style="font-size:smaller; text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Template:Cult" title="Template:Cult">v</a> - <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Cult" title="Template talk:Cult">t</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cult&action=edit">e</a></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b>Erhard Seminars Training</b> (<b>EST</b><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1">[note 1]</a></sup>) was a two-weekend seminar and its controlling <a href="/wiki/Organized_religion" class="mw-redirect" title="Organized religion"> organization</a>, originally cobbled together and operated by former encyclopedia- and used-car-salesman <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Erhard" class="extiw" title="wp:Werner Erhard" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: Werner Erhard">Werner Erhard</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> (born Jack Paul Rosenberg) (1935–) from the early 1970s to 1984. Participants shelled out big bucks to spend two weekends alternately being verbally abused and called <a href="/wiki/Asshole" class="mw-redirect" title="Asshole">assholes</a>, subjected to <a href="/wiki/Jargon" class="mw-redirect" title="Jargon">jargon</a>-laden <a href="/wiki/Quack" class="mw-redirect" title="Quack">quack</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/motivational_speaker" class="extiw" title="wp:motivational speaker" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: motivational speaker">motivational speeches</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> which preached <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/narcissism" class="extiw" title="wp:narcissism" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: narcissism">narcissism</span></a>,<sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> <a href="/wiki/Solipsism" title="Solipsism">solipsism</a> and <a href="/wiki/Existentialism" title="Existentialism">existentialism</a>, doing guided <a href="/wiki/Meditation" title="Meditation">meditation</a> sessions, and being allowed only two bathroom breaks in each day's 16-hour session and no <a href="/wiki/Food" class="mw-redirect" title="Food">food</a> or drink. This particular combination of techniques - combining verbal abuse, sleep deprivation and denial of daily necessities with teaching new beliefs <s>victims</s> customers wouldn't otherwise hold - is known in other contexts as <a href="/wiki/Brainwashing" title="Brainwashing">brainwashing</a>. </p><p>EST's apparent successors (not always corporately linked, but peddling remarkably similar programs from much the same people) include the organizations <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Erhard_and_Associates" class="extiw" title="wp:Werner Erhard and Associates" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: Werner Erhard and Associates">Werner Erhard and Associates</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> or WEA (1981-1991), <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Education" class="extiw" title="wp:Landmark Education" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: Landmark Education">Landmark Education</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> (1991-2013), and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Worldwide" class="extiw" title="wp:Landmark Worldwide" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: Landmark Worldwide">Landmark Worldwide</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> (2013- ) and their flagship "courses" <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Erhard_and_Associates" class="extiw" title="wp:Werner Erhard and Associates" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: Werner Erhard and Associates">the Forum</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> (1984-1991) and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Forum" class="extiw" title="wp:Landmark Forum" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: Landmark Forum">Landmark Forum</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> (1991- ) </p><p>The EST "training" represented the archetypal <a href="/wiki/Large_group_awareness_training" title="Large group awareness training">large group awareness training</a> (LGAT). </p> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Getting_.22it.22"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Getting "it"</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#EST_attendees_couldn.27t_take_meal_breaks.2C_but.E2.80.A6"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">EST attendees couldn't take meal breaks, but…</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Influences_and_sources"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Influences and sources</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Similar_programs"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Similar programs</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Popular_culture"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Popular culture</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#External_links"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">External links</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Notes"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Notes</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#References"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">References</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <h2><span id="Getting_"it""></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Getting_.22it.22">Getting "it"</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Erhard_Seminars_Training&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Getting "it"">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>At the end of the two weekends the <s>victim</s> participant was supposed to "get it". Get what? Well, you just shelled out a quite significant sum in pre-late-70s-<a href="/wiki/Inflation" title="Inflation">inflation</a> dollars to fatten Werner Erhard's bank account. Get it? </p><p>Participants who "got it" came out of EST with a new vocabulary of incomprehensible and ultimately meaningless <a href="/wiki/Psychobabble" class="mw-redirect" title="Psychobabble">psychobabble</a> that was supposed to "transform" their lives, or something. It consisted of stringing phrases together like "personal space", "world working", "creating context", "manifesting", "generating principles", and other meaningless bibble-babble. These phrases could be randomly strung together in any order and still be equally meaningful to an EST initiate and meaningless to everyone else. Participants were also instructed during the last part of the training, after they were supposed to have "gotten it", to go out and actively <a href="/wiki/Evangelism" title="Evangelism"> recruit</a> others <a href="/wiki/Pyramid_scheme" title="Pyramid scheme"> to empty out their bank accounts for this</a> "experience", speaking of course in incomprehensible babble<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2">[1]</a></sup> (so the person wouldn't have a clue what EST actually was) but bubbling with so much enthusiasm that it must be something <i>good</i>. </p><p>While Werner Erhard preached taking charge of one's own <a href="/wiki/Life" title="Life">life</a> and personal <a href="/wiki/Freedom" class="mw-redirect" title="Freedom">freedom</a> to attendees, which was part of what they were supposed to "get" from the training, the situation within the est organization itself was quite different: its paid staff and the large contingent of unpaid "graduate" volunteers were expected to revere Erhard as "The Source" and to follow an <a href="/wiki/Authoritarian" class="mw-redirect" title="Authoritarian">authoritarian</a> bureaucratic regimen of service to the company. </p> <h2><span id="EST_attendees_couldn't_take_meal_breaks,_but…"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="EST_attendees_couldn.27t_take_meal_breaks.2C_but.E2.80.A6">EST attendees couldn't take meal breaks, but…</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Erhard_Seminars_Training&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: EST attendees couldn't take meal breaks, but…">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>A spin-off or front group of EST, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunger_Project" class="extiw" title="wp:The Hunger Project" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: The Hunger Project">The Hunger Project</span></a>,<sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> founded in 1977, does little to nothing concrete in the way of sending actual aid or advocating for structural reforms to relieve world hunger.<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3">[2]</a></sup> Instead, it teaches the mystical <a href="/wiki/Woo" title="Woo">woo</a> that hunger will end when a global shift in consciousness and attitude occurs where people "rethink their position" on world hunger. To bring this about, of course, meant sending donations and recruiting new members for The Hunger Project, creating an ever-widening circle of initiates who "rethink their position" on hunger, which will end hunger when <a href="/wiki/Pyramid_scheme" title="Pyramid scheme">enough people</a> do this. Get it? The Hunger Project also has a reputation for trying to remove all critical information about itself from the <a href="/wiki/Internet" title="Internet">Internet</a> (gee, <a href="/wiki/Scientology" class="mw-redirect" title="Scientology">why does this sound familiar</a>?) </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Influences_and_sources">Influences and sources</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Erhard_Seminars_Training&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Influences and sources">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>EST did not happen all of a sudden in a vacuum; it evolved as a combination of techniques and philosophies which Erhard borrowed from Mind Dynamics (see below), <a href="/wiki/Scientology" class="mw-redirect" title="Scientology">Scientology</a>, <a href="/wiki/Zen" title="Zen">Zen</a>, Gestalt psychology, <a href="/wiki/Martin_Heidegger" title="Martin Heidegger">Martin Heidegger</a>'s <a href="/wiki/Existentialist" class="mw-redirect" title="Existentialist">existentialist</a> <a href="/wiki/Philosophy" title="Philosophy">philosophy</a>, Dale Carnegie's public-speaking and motivation seminars,<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4">[3]</a></sup> popular motivational books (of which the most influential were Napoleon Hill's <i>Think and Grow Rich</i><sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5">[4]</a></sup> and Maxwell Maltz' <i>Psycho-Cybernetics</i><sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6">[5]</a></sup>), and techniques Erhard developed and refined for training salespeople at the encyclopedia-sales companies he worked for. </p><p>Much of Erhard's original staff at EST consisted of people who had worked under him in encyclopedia sales, and who had come to see him as something of a brilliant <a href="/wiki/Guru" title="Guru">guru</a> due to the effectiveness of his sales training. He had also sent his salespeople to Dale Carnegie's seminars, Mind Dynamics seminars, Zen lectures by <a href="/wiki/Alan_Watts" title="Alan Watts">Alan Watts</a>, and Scientology "<a href="/wiki/Auditing" class="mw-redirect" title="Auditing">auditing</a>" sessions as part of their training, and attended them himself to learn what techniques he could borrow from them for his own sales training. He became a Mind Dynamics trainer himself; in 1971 he claimed to have a transformative experience while driving to work during which all these teachings suddenly clicked into synthesis and he "got it", and left Mind Dynamics within a month to start EST. Even a sympathetic biography<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7">[6]</a></sup> says he already had his own program in mind when he began attending Scientology auditing, Dale Carnegie seminars, and Mind Dynamics, and went to them primarily to learn what techniques he could appropriate for his own, making the timing of his "transformation" story rather suspect. (Compare the apotheosis of <a href="/wiki/Kim_Il_Sung" class="mw-redirect" title="Kim Il Sung">Kim Il Sung</a>.) </p><p>Scientology placed Werner Erhard on its list of "<a href="/wiki/Suppressive_person" title="Suppressive person">suppressive persons</a>",<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8">[7]</a></sup> claims he stole a lot of material and methods from them, and runs an "est repair rundown" session claiming to "undo the damage" done by est. Scientology was most likely behind a character-assassination scheme in which rumors surfaced of <a href="/wiki/Child_molestation" class="mw-redirect" title="Child molestation">child molestation</a> and <a href="/wiki/Tax" title="Tax">tax</a> evasion by Erhard, reported by CBS' <i>60 Minutes</i> in 1991, both of which charges Erhard was later "cleared" of.<sup>[<a href="/wiki/Help:References" title="Help:References"><i>citation needed</i></a>]</sup> </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Similar_programs">Similar programs</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Erhard_Seminars_Training&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Similar programs">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>Although EST was officially retired in 1984, a nearly identical program (albeit minus the more abusive techniques of EST) has continued under other names, as "The Forum" from 1985–1990 and as "Landmark Education" or "The Landmark Forum" from 1991 to the present. Werner Erhard retired in 1991 and cut his ties to Landmark, turning it over to his brother and to former associates. Landmark's disclaimer warns that some participants "who have no personal or family history of mental illness or <a href="/wiki/Drug_abuse" title="Drug abuse">drug abuse</a> have reported experiencing brief, temporary episodes of emotional upset ranging from heightened activity, irregular or diminished sleep, to mild <a href="/wiki/Psychotic" class="mw-redirect" title="Psychotic">psychotic</a>-like behavior. An even smaller number of people have reported more serious symptoms ranging from mild psychotic behavior to psychosis occasionally requiring medical care and hospitalization. In less than 1/1000 of 1% of participants, there have been reports of unexplained <a href="/wiki/Suicide" title="Suicide">suicide</a> or other destructive behavior." Landmark Worldwide is currently the subject of a Wikipedia arbitration case.<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9">[8]</a></sup> The Hunger Project still exists under its current name and now claims to be completely independent of Erhard and the EST successors. </p><p>"Mind Dynamics" was a two-weekend seminar that operated from 1968 to 1973 that is considered something of a precursor to EST. Werner Erhard had been a Mind Dynamics trainer before leaving in 1971 to start his own program. Unlike EST, Mind Dynamics made medical claims for the program, claiming to teach using the <a href="/wiki/Mind-body_woo" title="Mind-body woo">power of the mind to cure diseases</a>, which is why it was shut down in 1973 due to impending legal action from the State of <a href="/wiki/California" class="mw-redirect" title="California">California</a> for fraudulent representation and practicing <a href="/wiki/Medicine" title="Medicine">medicine</a> without a license. Mind Dynamics also claimed to be able to teach <a href="/wiki/Clairvoyance" title="Clairvoyance">clairvoyance</a>, <a href="/wiki/Extra-sensory_perception" class="mw-redirect" title="Extra-sensory perception">extra-sensory perception</a>, mind reading, and other <a href="/wiki/Pseudoscientific" class="mw-redirect" title="Pseudoscientific">pseudoscientific</a> silliness. EST never made such claims but appropriated the structure of the Mind Dynamics training and its guided meditation sessions called "processes". </p><p>"Lifespring" was a similar <a href="/wiki/Self-help" class="mw-redirect" title="Self-help">self-help</a> seminar founded in 1974 lasting until the 1990s. It was widely thought of as an EST knock-off and indeed was founded by another former Mind Dynamics trainer. Lifespring was sued multiple times by attendees who claimed psychological damage from the program and the subject of investigative news reporting during the 1980s over reports it was even more abusive than EST. Many similar seminars are in operation today, many of them founded by former Lifespring trainers; sociologists have coined the term "<a href="/wiki/Large_group_awareness_training" title="Large group awareness training">large group awareness training</a>" for these seminars (sometimes lumping in movements as diverse as <a href="/wiki/Promise_Keepers" title="Promise Keepers">Promise Keepers</a>, <a href="/wiki/Amway" title="Amway">Amway</a> motivational meetings, and Dale Carnegie's public speaking seminars) and trace their origin and development back through Lifespring and EST to Mind Dynamics. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Popular_culture">Popular culture</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Erhard_Seminars_Training&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Popular culture">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>EST is often mentioned in discussions of just how narcissistic the "me generation" could be in the 1970s, and was spoofed in films like <i>Semi-Tough</i> and <i>Spirit of '76</i>, and books like Cyra McFadden's <i>The Serial</i> that poked fun at the excesses of <a href="/wiki/California" class="mw-redirect" title="California">California</a> <a href="/wiki/Kook" class="mw-redirect" title="Kook">kookiness</a> in the 1970s. Especially remarkable was how this bizarre movement pulled in a large number of seemingly liberal and progressive celebrities as participants and supporters: <a href="/wiki/Fun:John_Denver" title="Fun:John Denver">John Denver</a>, <a href="/wiki/Buckminster_Fuller" title="Buckminster Fuller">Buckminster Fuller</a>, <a href="/wiki/Yoko_Ono" class="mw-redirect" title="Yoko Ono">Yoko Ono</a>, Jerry Rubin, Raul Julia, and numerous others, and had them spouting incomprehensible EST psychobabble . est, the <a href="/wiki/Esalen_Institute" title="Esalen Institute">Esalen Institute</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Human_Potential_Movement" title="Human Potential Movement">Human Potential Movement</a> featured prominently in episode 3 of Adam Curtis' 2002 miniseries <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_of_the_Self" class="extiw" title="wp:The Century of the Self" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: The Century of the Self">The Century of the Self</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup></i>.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10">[9]</a></sup> In one episode, entitled <i>There is a Policeman Inside All Our Heads: He Must Be Destroyed</i>, former <a href="/wiki/Yippie" title="Yippie">Yippie</a> and collaborator of Jerry Rubin, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stew_Albert" class="extiw" title="wp:Stew Albert" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: Stew Albert">Stew Albert,</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup><sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-11">[10]</a></sup> described Rubin's later est-inspired worldview as <i>"<a href="/wiki/Socialism" title="Socialism">socialism</a> in one person, that, of course, is <a href="/wiki/Capitalism" title="Capitalism">capitalism</a>."</i> </p><p>EST is also an important subplot in the TV series <i>The Americans</i>, in which Philip, a Russian spy, begins going to EST seminars in order to deal with his past and his double life. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="External_links">External links</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Erhard_Seminars_Training&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: External links">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.culteducation.com/group/908-est.html">Rick Ross Institute archive of articles on Erhard Seminars Training</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.culteducation.com/group/981-the-hunger-project.html">Rick Ross Institute archive of articles on The Hunger Project</a></li> <li>Parodies of EST in <i>Semi-Tough</i>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5XYNQv6F_o">Video 1</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgwPZBCua-g">Video 2</a></li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Notes">Notes</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Erhard_Seminars_Training&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Notes">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="references-small" style="font-size:90%;"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-1">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="/wiki/Latin" title="Latin">Latin</a> for "it is".</span> </li> </ol></div></div> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="References">References</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Erhard_Seminars_Training&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: References">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="references-small" style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; font-size:90%;"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-2">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">See the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a> article on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word-of-mouth_marketing" class="extiw" title="wp:Word-of-mouth marketing" rel="nofollow">Word-of-mouth marketing</a>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-3">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/07/hunger-artistThe">Hunger Artist: Let Them Eat est: The 1978 Mother Jones article in which "we confront Werner Erhard with our awareness of his manifestation of what we're clear is a big scam."</a> by Suzanne Gordon (July/August 2009) <i>Mother Jones</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-4">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">See the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a> article on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Carnegie" class="extiw" title="wp:Dale Carnegie" rel="nofollow">Dale Carnegie</a>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-5">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">See the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a> article on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_and_Grow_Rich" class="extiw" title="wp:Think and Grow Rich" rel="nofollow">Think and Grow Rich</a>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-6"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-6">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">See the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a> article on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho-Cybernetics" class="extiw" title="wp:Psycho-Cybernetics" rel="nofollow">Psycho-Cybernetics</a>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-7"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-7">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man</i> (W.W. Bartley III, Clarkson N. Potter Publishers, 1978)</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-8"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-8">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.xenu.net/archive/enemy_names/enemy_list.html">The Scientology Enemies List</a> (Flag ED 2830RB, 25 July 1992) <i>Operation Clambake</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-9"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-9">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Landmark_Worldwide">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Landmark_Worldwide</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-10"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-10">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0432232/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0432232/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1</a></span> </li> 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