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help me clean up this template</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Tech_News:_2024-46">17 Tech News: 2024-46</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#NamespaceInfo_and_subpages">18 NamespaceInfo and subpages</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#Problem_with_Commons_categories_in_Multilingual_sites_in_Wikidata,_consequences_for_Commons">19 Problem with Commons categories in Multilingual sites in Wikidata, consequences for Commons</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#Templates_in_description_field_bug">20 Templates in description field bug</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#Tech_News:_2024-47">21 Tech News: 2024-47</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#"Content"-pages_on_Special:NamespaceInfo">22 "Content"-pages on Special:NamespaceInfo</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#"Use_this_file"_no_reaction">23 "Use this file" no reaction</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#Date_bug?">24 Date bug?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#Category_and_disambiguation">25 Category and disambiguation</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#Errors_in_Template:Licensed-FOP">26 Errors in Template:Licensed-FOP</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#Navbox_loses_background_blue_on_mobile">27 Navbox loses background blue on mobile</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#Template_Assessments_bug">28 Template Assessments bug</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#"Could_not_acquire_lock"_error_for_larger_file_uploads">29 "Could not acquire lock" error for larger file uploads</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#Flag_of_Ulyanovsk_Oblast_(2004).svg">30 Flag of Ulyanovsk Oblast (2004).svg</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#How_to_separate_links_into_redlinks_and_bluelinks?">31 How to separate links into redlinks and bluelinks?</a></li> </ul> </div> <div style="clear:both;"></div><div style="padding:3px 3px 0 0; overflow: hidden; font-family:sans-serif; font-size:120%; color:var(--color-emphasized,#000); border-bottom:1px solid; border-bottom-color:#347BFF; background:transparent;"> </div> <div class="center plainlinks"> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=new">Start a new discussion</a> </div></div></div></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r916187265">.mw-parser-output .autoarchive-resolved-section{margin-bottom:0.4em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);color:var(--color-base,#202122);width:100%}.mw-parser-output .autoarchive-resolved-section.ars-hide{display:none}.mw-parser-output .autoarchive-resolved-section .ars-icon{padding:2px;width:34px}.mw-parser-output .autoarchive-resolved-section .ars-tracking{display:none}.mw-parser-output .autoarchiv-erledigt-fehler strong{color:red}</style> <table id="autoarchiv-erledigt-baustein" class="autoarchive-resolved-section ars-hide layouttemplate" dir="ltr" lang="en"> <tbody><tr> <td class="ars-icon"><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Filing_cabinet_icon.svg/30px-Filing_cabinet_icon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Filing_cabinet_icon.svg/45px-Filing_cabinet_icon.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Filing_cabinet_icon.svg/60px-Filing_cabinet_icon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/><figcaption></figcaption></figure></td> <td><a href="/wiki/User:SpBot" title="User:SpBot">SpBot</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Talk_page_guidelines#Archiving" title="Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Talk page guidelines">archives</a> all sections tagged with <bdi lang="en">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Section_resolved" title="Template:Section resolved">Section resolved</a>|1=~~~~}}</bdi> after 1 day and sections whose most recent comment is older than 30 days. </td> </tr> <tr> <td></td> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_to_search_fields_of_files'_Information_template?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_search_fields_of_files'_Information_template?-20241006190300">How to search fields of files' Information template?</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: How to search fields of files' Information template?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> For example, how could one search file description for a term like "Kathmandu" (as asked about by another user <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Ydiuurc5zv6im2xq" class="extiw" title="mediawikiwiki:Topic:Ydiuurc5zv6im2xq">here</a>) like on can search with <code>intitle</code>. <code>description:"Kathmandu"</code> does show some results but I don't know what it does and the results don't have that word in their description. I could not find info on this at <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch" class="extiw" title="mw:Help:CirrusSearch">mw:Help:CirrusSearch</a> either. Info how to search specified fields of <a href="/wiki/Template:Information" title="Template:Information">{{Information}}</a> should be added here. One could also use this to infer categories (such as by reading the date field and then adding it to a category by date like "<a href="/wiki/Category:Videos_by_year" title="Category:Videos by year">Videos of {year}</a>") as proposed <a href="/wiki/Commons:Bots/Work_requests#Auto-addition_of_inferrable_categories" title="Commons:Bots/Work requests">here</a>. This may also be needed for a date range filter, see <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T329961" class="extiw" title="phab:T329961">phab:T329961</a>. I'd like to search the date field but there is no information on how to do that at <a href="/wiki/Help:Searching" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Searching">Help:Searching</a> but I think it's already possible if I remember correctly. For example, I found that many files in <code><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&ns6=1&search=deepcategory%3A%22NASA+videos+from+unidentified+year%22+deepcategory%3A%22Videos+of+2020%E2%80%8E%22+filetype%3Avideo&advancedSearch-current={%22fields%22:{%22filetype%22:%22video%22}}">deepcategory:"NASA videos from unidentified year" deepcategory:"Videos of 2020‎"</a></code> have been miscategorized into Videos of 2020 (and thus should not be copied into "NASA videos in 2020" from there) where they have the correct date in the date field which is why I'd like to use that to correct that as well as copy them to their year category in <a href="/wiki/Category:Videos_from_NASA_by_year" title="Category:Videos from NASA by year">Category:Videos from NASA by year</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241006190300-How_to_search_fields_of_files'_Information_template?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><ul><li>Another example: one could set subcats of <a href="/wiki/Category:Media_from_scholarly_journals" title="Category:Media from scholarly journals">Category:Media from scholarly journals</a> depending on the link in the source field. For example, files with an URL starting with <code>https://www.nature.com/</code> or a DOI that resolves to one should be in a respective subcat of <a href="/wiki/Category:Media_from_Nature_Publishing_Group_journals" title="Category:Media from Nature Publishing Group journals">Category:Media from Nature Publishing Group journals</a>.</li> <li>One could also search the source field to put files into cats like <a href="/wiki/Category:Audio_files_from_Soundcloud.com" title="Category:Audio files from Soundcloud.com">Category:Audio files from Soundcloud.com</a> and so on.</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241010121600-Prototyperspective-20241006190300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Ydzokakqzm1kmahy" class="extiw" title="mw:Topic:Ydzokakqzm1kmahy">Here</a> EBernhardson (WMF) said Unfortunately, the image description is simply an argument to a template. CirrusSearch doesn't do anything at that level and can't be that specific..</dd> <dd>I think the best workaround currently would be to use the insource search operator with the field name first so for example I searched for <code>insource:"|source=[https://soundcloud.com</code> to identify files for <a href="/wiki/Category:Audio_files_from_Soundcloud.com" title="Category:Audio files from Soundcloud.com">Category:Audio files from Soundcloud.com</a>. I think easily searching fields of the File pages' Information template could be enabled by <ol><li>Developing some regex that searches for any content after e.g. <code>|source=</code></li> <li>Creating some alias for it so instead of writing some complex regex query every time one can simply enter e.g. <code>info-source:"soundcloud.com"</code></li></ol></dd> <dd>Please comment what you think about this proposed way to make this possible and if you have any info on what would be needed for that. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241023130600-Prototyperspective-20241010121600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Would be great if somebody could develop such (a) regex(es) if there is no better way to search specific fields of the Information template. It's great that files have that structured metadata but it could be much more useful if it was searchable. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241117131700-Prototyperspective-20241023130600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension-20241024160500"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension (page does not exist)">Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> This just materialized on a file I was editing, so I quickly turned the red link blue and found that it's popped up on 800+ files. What is this? Why is it here? —<a href="/wiki/User:Koavf" title="User:Koavf">Justin (koavf)</a>❤<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koavf" title="User talk:Koavf">T</a>☮<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Koavf" title="Special:Contributions/Koavf">C</a>☺<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Koavf" title="Special:EmailUser/Koavf">M</a>☯ <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Koavf-20241024160500-Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I noticed this too. I got as far as figuring out that <code>{{#invoke:ISOdate|ISOdate|1=2006-07-24}}</code> adds the category. I'm not too versed in Lua modules, so can't really continue the hunt. <a href="/wiki/User:Cryptic-waveform" title="User:Cryptic-waveform">Cryptic-waveform</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cryptic-waveform" title="User talk:Cryptic-waveform">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Cryptic-waveform-20241024190200-Koavf-20241024160500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>And so does <code>{{#invoke:DateI18n|Date|year=2000|month=1|day=1}}</code>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cryptic-waveform" title="User:Cryptic-waveform">Cryptic-waveform</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cryptic-waveform" title="User talk:Cryptic-waveform">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Cryptic-waveform-20241024190600-Cryptic-waveform-20241024190200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>May be related to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-JsonConfig/commit/db05e3251393d734605d20c98a63dbd7f93d9426">https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-JsonConfig/commit/db05e3251393d734605d20c98a63dbd7f93d9426</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cryptic-waveform" title="User:Cryptic-waveform">Cryptic-waveform</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cryptic-waveform" title="User talk:Cryptic-waveform">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Cryptic-waveform-20241024191300-Cryptic-waveform-20241024190600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cscott" title="User:Cscott">Cscott</a>: Is this related to your change? And is it a desired outcome? <a href="/wiki/User:Cryptic-waveform" title="User:Cryptic-waveform">Cryptic-waveform</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cryptic-waveform" title="User talk:Cryptic-waveform">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Cryptic-waveform-20241024191500-Cryptic-waveform-20241024191300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Koavf" title="User:Koavf">Koavf</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Cryptic-waveform" title="User:Cryptic-waveform">Cryptic-waveform</a> & @<a href="/wiki/User:Cscott" title="User:Cscott">Cscott</a> - FYI, I used the <a href="/wiki/Commons:CropTool" title="Commons:CropTool">CropTool</a> today and the extracted photo file has the this same hidden category as the the original photo file here: <a href="/wiki/File:Zheng_Jianbang_in_2023_(cropped).jpg" title="File:Zheng Jianbang in 2023 (cropped).jpg">File:Zheng Jianbang in 2023 (cropped).jpg</a>. <ul><li>1. Does this category still apply to cropped images extracted from files within this new category?</li> <li>2. Was a there any "notice" or other advance communication about this small, but highly noticable "hidden" category? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Ooligan" title="User:Ooligan">Ooligan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ooligan" title="User talk:Ooligan">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Ooligan-20241024221100-Koavf-20241024160500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><ol><li>I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯</li> <li>No.</li></ol></dd> <dd>—<a href="/wiki/User:Koavf" title="User:Koavf">Justin (koavf)</a>❤<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koavf" title="User talk:Koavf">T</a>☮<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Koavf" title="Special:Contributions/Koavf">C</a>☺<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Koavf" title="Special:EmailUser/Koavf">M</a>☯ <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Koavf-20241024223400-Ooligan-20241024221100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> Related: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_24#Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_24#Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cryptic-waveform" title="User:Cryptic-waveform">Cryptic-waveform</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cryptic-waveform" title="User talk:Cryptic-waveform">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Cryptic-waveform-20241024192100-Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>See also <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JsonConfig" class="extiw" title="mw:Extension:JsonConfig">mw:Extension:JsonConfig</a>. No idea why this is something that needs to be tracked. —<a href="/wiki/User:Koavf" title="User:Koavf">Justin (koavf)</a>❤<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koavf" title="User talk:Koavf">T</a>☮<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Koavf" title="Special:Contributions/Koavf">C</a>☺<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Koavf" title="Special:EmailUser/Koavf">M</a>☯ <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Koavf-20241024194300-Cryptic-waveform-20241024192100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Could someone please have a look at <a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2024/10/Category:Nazi_symbols_status" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/10/Category:Nazi symbols status">Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/10/Category:Nazi symbols status</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Nazi_symbols_status&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Nazi symbols status (page does not exist)">Nazi symbols status</a>. This category should be empty but it's weirdly populated. Files in this category have the category <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension (page does not exist)">Pages using the JsonConfig extension</a>. Is this in any way related to this? <a href="/wiki/User:Ratekreel" title="User:Ratekreel">Ratekreel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ratekreel" title="User talk:Ratekreel">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Ratekreel-20241106075500-Cryptic-waveform-20241024192100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Requested_fix" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_fix-Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension-20241024223800">Requested fix</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Requested fix">edit</a>]</div> <a href="/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Interface_admin_request" title="Commons:Administrators' noticeboard">Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Interface_admin_request</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Koavf" title="User:Koavf">Justin (koavf)</a>❤<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koavf" title="User talk:Koavf">T</a>☮<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Koavf" title="Special:Contributions/Koavf">C</a>☺<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Koavf" title="Special:EmailUser/Koavf">M</a>☯ <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Koavf-20241024223800-Requested_fix" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The category is empty now. Good to delete? Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Aafi" title="User:Aafi">Aafi</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aafi" title="User talk:Aafi"> (talk)</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Aafi-20241105134600-Koavf-20241024223800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Perhaps also good to keep a look at <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378352" class="extiw" title="phab:T378352">phab:T378352</a>. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Aafi" title="User:Aafi">Aafi</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aafi" title="User talk:Aafi"> (talk)</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Aafi-20241105134700-Aafi-20241105134600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Emptying was predicted to complete at the end of december. File <a href="/wiki/File:Chrysalis5504.jpg" title="File:Chrysalis5504.jpg">File:Chrysalis5504.jpg</a> had <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension (page does not exist)">Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension</a> and it was red, whereas the cat itself was empty. No change after "null edit". Fixed after real edit. Now nazi file <a href="/wiki/File:Deutsches_Reichsgesetzblatt_33T1_126_0846.jpg" title="File:Deutsches Reichsgesetzblatt 33T1 126 0846.jpg">File:Deutsches_Reichsgesetzblatt_33T1_126_0846.jpg</a> has that cat (see above). Strange. <a href="/wiki/User:Taylor_49" title="User:Taylor 49">Taylor 49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taylor_49" title="User talk:Taylor 49">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Taylor_49-20241106192900-Aafi-20241105134600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/File:Deutsches_Reichsgesetzblatt_33T1_126_0908.jpg" title="File:Deutsches Reichsgesetzblatt 33T1 126 0908.jpg">File:Deutsches_Reichsgesetzblatt_33T1_126_0908.jpg</a> pretends to be in "<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension (page does not exist)">Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension</a>" (red and empty, should NOT be there) and in "<a href="/wiki/Category:Nazi_symbols" title="Category:Nazi symbols">Category:Nazi symbols</a>" (OK), OTOH it does NOT show "<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Nazi_symbols_status&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Nazi symbols status (page does not exist)">Category:Nazi symbols status</a>", but when looking into that cat, it is listed there. Commons is severely broken today. <a href="/wiki/User:Taylor_49" title="User:Taylor 49">Taylor 49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taylor_49" title="User talk:Taylor 49">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Taylor_49-20241106193400-Taylor_49-20241106192900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Taylor_49" title="User:Taylor 49">Taylor 49</a>, last time I checked <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Nazi_symbols_status&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Nazi symbols status (page does not exist)">Nazi symbols status</a> had approximately 27,000 files and presumably all of them had <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension (page does not exist)">Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension</a>. Currently, there are 14,829 files and it looks like all of them have Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension. I don't know exactly what happened to the rest of the files.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/File:Deutsches_Reichsgesetzblatt_33T1_126_0846.jpg" title="File:Deutsches Reichsgesetzblatt 33T1 126 0846.jpg">Deutsches Reichsgesetzblatt 33T1 126 0846.jpg</a> and <a href="/wiki/File:Deutsches_Reichsgesetzblatt_33T1_126_0908.jpg" title="File:Deutsches Reichsgesetzblatt 33T1 126 0908.jpg">Deutsches Reichsgesetzblatt 33T1 126 0908.jpg</a> are not longer in Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension and are normally categorised. Is it safe to assume for the rest of the files? Also <a href="/wiki/Category:Nazi_symbols" title="Category:Nazi symbols">Category:Nazi symbols</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Nazi_symbols_status&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Nazi symbols status (page does not exist)">Category:Nazi symbols status</a> are also correctly behaving now. <a href="/wiki/User:Ratekreel" title="User:Ratekreel">Ratekreel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ratekreel" title="User talk:Ratekreel">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Ratekreel-20241107041700-Taylor_49-20241106193400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>A few files have "fixed themselves" since yesterday, but there is still the discrepancy in both directions: <ul><li>"<a href="/wiki/Category:Symbols_of_communism" title="Category:Symbols of communism">Category:Symbols of communism</a>" (blue) has ca 3'000 files, but when looking on a single file, it claims NOT to be in that cat</li> <li>"<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_using_the_JsonConfig_extension&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension (page does not exist)">Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension</a>" (red) claims to be empty, but when looking on nazi files from "<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Nazi_symbols_status&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Nazi symbols status (page does not exist)">Category:Nazi symbols status</a>" (blue), they claim to be in "Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension"</li></ul></dd> <dd>It's ultimately a BUG, and a new one. The legacy flaw of all WMF wikis is that sometimes a file claims to be in an existing cat, but when looking on that cat the file is not there. What we can observe here is new and worse than that. <a href="/wiki/User:Taylor_49" title="User:Taylor 49">Taylor 49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taylor_49" title="User talk:Taylor 49">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Taylor_49-20241107144000-Ratekreel-20241107041700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Should_Template:Compressed_version_be_used_with_Lossy_WebP?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Should_Template:Compressed_version_be_used_with_Lossy_WebP?-20241025183700">Should <a href="/wiki/Template:Compressed_version" title="Template:Compressed version">Template:Compressed version</a> be used with Lossy WebP?</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Should Template:Compressed version be used with Lossy WebP?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> It's unclear to me what the role of <a href="/wiki/Template:Archival_version" title="Template:Archival version">Template:Archival version</a> is now in 2024. Although it makes a lot of sense in a world where GIF, PNG, and JPEG were the "Big Three" commonly supported image formats on the web (ignoring BMP, which I think did enjoy an era of support most associated with the early web), it seems a bit technical whether or not the <a href="/wiki/Template:Archival_version" title="Template:Archival version">Template:Archival version</a> & <a href="/wiki/Template:Compressed_version" title="Template:Compressed version">Template:Compressed version</a> templates should still be used on new uploads today with the advent of WebP. I'm not an expert, but I think modernly, Mediawiki is happy to take PNG and shunt it to WebP automatically, as a display format that saves bandwidth without conscious change of workflow on part of the user. The transparent nature of these bandwidth savings is less applicable to JPEG (which can also be automatically converted to WebP for bandwidth savings), but when that's done, the converted WebP still must deal with the limitations of the legacy JPEG format. Namely: lack of support for alpha transparency, and converting lossy-to-lossy (necessarily degrading the image, versus if the user had just embraced lossy WebP to begin with). I'm new to Wikimedia, and trying to determine the best way to upload my images so that: <ol><li>Pages that include my images continue to load fast</li> <li>My images are stored at the highest resolution possible and in the best quality possible</li></ol> To satisfy both of these goals, I thought I should hijack <a href="/wiki/Template:Archival_version" title="Template:Archival version">Template:Archival version</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:Compressed_version" title="Template:Compressed version">Template:Compressed version</a> as an "existing structure" and seemingly "best practice" put into place during an era when it was expected that the <a href="/wiki/Template:Compressed_version" title="Template:Compressed version">Template:Compressed version</a> would be a JPEG. Lending legitimacy to this, the Template has a (deprecated) field named "Filetype", implying that at least in the past, it was appropriate to use the template with more than just JPEG images. So I went ahead and tried it: <ul><li>Archive version: <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Connection_Machine_CM-2_and_DataVault_at_Computer_Museum_of_America.png">File:Connection Machine CM-2 and DataVault at Computer Museum of America.png</a></li> <li>Compressed version: <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Connection_Machine_CM-2_and_DataVault_at_Computer_Museum_of_America.webp">File:Connection Machine CM-2 and DataVault at Computer Museum of America.webp</a></li></ul> However, there are currently a few problems with this. <ol><li>Although <a href="/wiki/Template:Compressed_version" title="Template:Compressed version">Template:Compressed version</a> claims filetype can be omitted and then defaults to an "intelligent guess", it seems that in reality, it has not been able to detect usage of the template with WebP, and instead defaults to the text to "This image is a JPEG version [...]" when used with WebP. If this is a valid usecase of the template, the text can be changed to support detection of WebP easily enough.</li> <li>Although I hoped that by using WebP for the compressed thumbnail version instead of JPEG I would gain access to alpha transparency (improving dark mode support on Wikipedia), it seems that the thumbnail generated at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connection_Machine" class="extiw" title="w:Connection Machine">w:Connection Machine</a> filled the transparency with the colour white, which is especially unfortunate for this primarily black object where it is hard to discern detail against a white background. Although in this specific case, I may want to consider a permanently dark background to set this object against instead of transparency, it can be imagined that there are cases where it would be nice for thumbnails to adapt to Light Mode and Dark Mode versions of Wikipedia.<div style="height:0.5em"></div>I am told that the lack of support for transparent thumbnails of WebP images is caused by "<a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T283646" class="extiw" title="phab:T283646">Phab:T283646</a> which leads to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://github.com/ImageMagick/ImageMagick/issues/3772">this ImageMagick issue</a>" but I wonder if it might also have been done on purpose, to avoid issues where people have uploaded transparent images in the era of Wikipedia not supporting dark mode, not expecting them to be set against anything other than a white background...</li> <li>I'm not completely sure that any of this makes sense for me to worry about, and perhaps it is actually fine to upload only a 60 MB PNG and let Mediawiki worry about bandwidth efficiency. I need to check in with people more familiar with the technology involved, which is what I'm doing right now here at the Village Pump.</li></ol> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I would note that Mediawiki doesn't seem to be doing a great job with my 60 MB PNG, still serving it as a 4 MB thumbnail image at least in File: namespace, while the WebP I uploaded is 2 MB at full resolution (barely discernible loss of quality), is converted to a 1.13 MB PNG for display in File: namespace, a 75% savings.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I'd note it is a little frustrating that it converted my WebP to PNG, but I suppose this was done to ensure compatibility. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://caniuse.com/webp">https://caniuse.com/webp</a> claims WebP support is up to 95.69% among browsers that are currently used. The remaining 4.3% is still a sizable portion to support, especially in the context of Wikipedia, but it seems like it would at least be possible to read my useragent and determine that like almost all browsers released in the past 5 years, my browser supports WebP and can be served a smaller file.</dd></dl></dd></dl> In summary, please leave your thoughts on if using Lossy WebP in <a href="/wiki/Template:Compressed_version" title="Template:Compressed version">Template:Compressed version</a> is valid and useful, or if there is some better technical way going forward, such as uploading only a Lossless WebP (which unlike PNG, does properly support photo metadata). —<a href="/wiki/User:Hubcapp" title="User:Hubcapp">Hubcapp</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hubcapp" title="User talk:Hubcapp">(talk)</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Hubcapp-20241025183700-Should_Template:Compressed_version_be_used_with_Lossy_WebP?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>1. <a href="/wiki/Template:Archival_version" title="Template:Archival version">{{Archival version}}</a> is to indicate "don't mess with this, so that others can mess with the same reference at a later time". Now we could say that this is somewhat dated, as we already don't allow most people to change the version of an image, asking people to upload them separately.</dd> <dd>2. Storing VERY high resolution images, means that the thumbnail has to take a huge leap from large to small. And it needs to do this with settings that are 'OK' for most of the images. This at times can result in suboptimal results. For that reason, it may be better to make your own slightly smaller version, applying self selected settings, and then uploading that smaller version of the file, for 'general use' in the Wikipedia, where often images get downscaled to something like 220px or smaller. However, in MOST cases, the images aren't used that widely and that critical that this is warranted, and it can always be done later.</dd> <dd>3. Compressed version: This template indeed was not handling webp. I have updated its dependency to provide support for this.</dd> <dd>4. In general, you should not worry about data and bandwidth usage. Where required and useful, as well as permitting time and money, the engineers will use newer technologies as they become ubiquitously available. In many cases having a simpler more 'wasteful' flow, makes up by being way faster and easier to manage and understand in the short term. (At the same time, this is not a license for uploading multi gigabyte files with little value and/or use). —<a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" title="User:TheDJ">TheDJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ" title="User talk:TheDJ">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheDJ" title="Special:Contributions/TheDJ">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-TheDJ-20241029154400-Hubcapp-20241025183700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Re 2.: There exists <a href="/wiki/Template:No_scaled_down_dupes" title="Template:No scaled down dupes">Template:No scaled down dupes</a>, which implies it is improper to upload a lower resolution version of an image. Do you mean it's actually OK to upload a "smaller" version (in terms of resolution), or by "smaller" did you mean "more optimally compressed but still at full resolution"? And to clarify, you're saying that the Archival/Compressed versions dichotomy is in fact still useful for new uploads (but generally only for very high traffic images where it matters more)?</dd> <dd>Re 3.: Thank you for clarifying it's OK to use WebP in <a href="/wiki/Template:Compressed_version" title="Template:Compressed version">Template:Compressed version</a> and providing support for it!</dd> <dd>Re 4.: Is it perhaps a good idea to upload *only* Lossless WebP? In my case, the resolution of my camera is roughly 6000 by 4000, so I'm not in multi-gig territory. However "Very Large Image" seems to be both a matter of opinion, and a definition that has changed as technology has advanced.</dd> <dd>Thanks, —<a href="/wiki/User:Hubcapp" title="User:Hubcapp">Hubcapp</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hubcapp" title="User talk:Hubcapp">(talk)</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Hubcapp-20241030023400-TheDJ-20241029154400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikimaps_Warper_edits_not_working" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikimaps_Warper_edits_not_working-20241027101900">Wikimaps Warper edits not working</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Wikimaps Warper edits not working">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Somehow <a href="/wiki/Special:OAuthListConsumers/view/d3308b00209d49e5a1d764aee019f83c" title="Special:OAuthListConsumers/view/d3308b00209d49e5a1d764aee019f83c">Special:OAuthListConsumers/view/d3308b00209d49e5a1d764aee019f83c</a> stopped working for me. The tool sets the bounding box for maps depending on definitions of control points at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://warper.wmflabs.org">https://warper.wmflabs.org</a> . It's unclear who currently maintains the tool. @<a href="/wiki/User:Chippyy" title="User:Chippyy">Chippyy</a>: seems inactive. For several, including <a href="/wiki/File:Sanborn_Fire_Insurance_Map_from_White_River_Junction,_Windsor_County,_Vermont,_1917,_Plate_0002.jpg" title="File:Sanborn Fire Insurance Map from White River Junction, Windsor County, Vermont, 1917, Plate 0002.jpg">Here</a>, I had to complete the infobox fields manually. It doesn't seem to be a problem of the other content on file description pages, as <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Sanborn_Fire_Insurance_Map_from_White_River_Junction,_Windsor_County,_Vermont,_1917,_Plate_0002.jpg&oldid=949803256">this</a> didn't get updated either. It does work for @<a href="/wiki/User:Kognos" title="User:Kognos">Kognos</a> at <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Admiralty_Chart_No_3549_River_Uruguay_Juncal_Island_to_Concepcion_del_Uruguay,_Published_1906,_New_Edition_1934_(composite).jpg&action=history">[1]</a> and a few other contributors <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?hidebots=1&translations=filter&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&tagfilter=OAuth+CID%3A+544&limit=1000&days=30&enhanced=1&title=Special:RecentChanges&urlversion=2">[2]</a>. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241027101900-Wikimaps_Warper_edits_not_working" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Also, it doesn't appear to depend on the absence of SDC statements: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=949820511">[3]</a> failed too.</dd> <dd>It doesn't seem to work for other users any more either: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/7308">[4]</a> by @<a href="/wiki/User:Groupsixty" title="User:Groupsixty">Groupsixty</a>. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241027112500-Enhancing999-20241027101900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I'm afraid I have no idea why it's not working for others. I have had problems with the warper in the past, but it has been working OK, if sometimes a bit slow, recently. As you have noticed, I use the warper quite a lot. I set the template to Map, then click on the "Georeference..." button. If I am not currently logged on to the warper I get a logon page, select log on through Commons, then allow Oauth. I then georeference the map, and the bounds are automatically updated. I guess this is no different from what others are trying to do. I agree that the lack of any clear path to support is frustrating. I have been quite unclear in the past as to where any requests for help should be posted, and have had little success in getting support. The Wikimaps Warper category is useful, but there is still no indication as to who actually owns the project. Any enlightenment appreciated! <a href="/wiki/User:Kognos" title="User:Kognos">Kognos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kognos" title="User talk:Kognos">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Kognos-20241028180900-Enhancing999-20241027101900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Maybe it's a browser issue, It used to work for me last year. The category is at <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikimaps_Warper" title="Category:Wikimaps Warper">Category:Wikimaps Warper</a>. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241028183900-Kognos-20241028180900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Susannaanas" title="User:Susannaanas">Susannaanas</a> do you know who is maintaining wikimaps warper? --<a href="/wiki/User:Zache" title="User:Zache">Zache</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zache" title="User talk:Zache">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Zache-20241028182700-Enhancing999-20241027101900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_category_content_be_viewed_by_date?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_category_content_be_viewed_by_date?-20241028142600">Can category content be viewed by date?</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Can category content be viewed by date?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi. Category content is always sorted by alphabet as the default. This can be unconvenient when parts of series become scattered all over the list. Is it possible or could it be possible to overview the contents by date at the push of a button? This would be pretty neat. I will give two examples : <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Uncategorized_images_of_the_Rijksmuseum">1 sorted by alphabet</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&sort=create_timestamp_desc&search=%22Uncategorized%20images%20of%20the%20Rijksmuseum%22&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns4=1&ns6=1">2 sorted by date, (more coherent)</a>. As you can see this link is very long and can be hard to put into a short working link (such as a text button). I would like (the option) to keep the layout ot example 1 in favor of listed as in 2, because it shows images next to eachother and gives overall a better overview per viewed segment of pages, like as if looking trough a category. This project idea would make the category contents available, to more people in a more appealing format, to have series more or less grouped by upload-date, and not scattered by alphabet. This would be more ergonomic and visually intuitive. Can this be done? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Pelikana" title="User:Pelikana">Peli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pelikana" title="User talk:Pelikana">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Pelikana-20241028142600-Can_category_content_be_viewed_by_date?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Currently if you enable <a href="/wiki/Help:Gadget-DeepcatSearch" title="Help:Gadget-DeepcatSearch">Help:Gadget-DeepcatSearch</a> it lets you 1 click to a deepcat search of the cat you are viewing. with a few more clicks you can get to a sorted-by-upload-date list.</dd> <dd>i have considered expanding its functionality to include more direct links to oldest-first, newest-first... lists.</dd> <dd>it's also not difficult to make some user js to make those links. <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-RoyZuo-20241028144800-Pelikana-20241028142600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Honestly, having a one-click sort by date would be super appreciated. I could only wish to have the ability to make custom js. — <a href="/wiki/User:Huntster" title="User:Huntster">Huntster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huntster" title="User talk:Huntster">t</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Huntster" title="Special:EmailUser/Huntster">@</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Huntster" title="Special:Contributions/Huntster">c</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Huntster-20241028174600-RoyZuo-20241028144800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> Ah cool. But it would not be available to all visitors unless they install it? I wanted to do a post script of previous request. :: Earlier trials to install it on that page failed, but now the link is on the page. This fixes my issue, and keeps this as wanted extention to all cat pages if possible in any way. To me this sorting method means a incredible release of the pressure to rush to categorize everything (over 100k items) just to be able to overlook some parts of this material as more coherent series. Especially now the tool Cat-a-lot has become a much too slow tool for this scale projects. Thanks. I had that gadget enabled and just now explored the sort options, seems to work well to find other points of departure to explore this huge 'unsorted' category. <a href="/wiki/User:Pelikana" title="User:Pelikana">Peli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pelikana" title="User talk:Pelikana">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Pelikana-20241028142600-Can_category_content_be_viewed_by_date?-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><ul><li>I think it would be great if that gadget would be enabled by default. However, for that to happen the <a href="/wiki/Help:Search" title="Help:Search">deepcategory</a> problems (at least <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T376440" class="extiw" title="phab:T376440">phab:T376440</a>) would need to be solved.</li> <li>The link currently shows items directly in the category as well as in subcategories – if you only want to see items directly in the category, change "deepcategory" to "incategory".</li> <li>Another issue is that one can only sort by upload date, but not by date of what's in the media file (the date field in the file's <a href="/wiki/Template:Information" title="Template:Information">{{Information}}</a>) – see e.g. <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T329961" class="extiw" title="phab:T329961">phab:T329961</a> and the things linked there. Cat-a-lot has recently been improved so should be faster again.</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241028214300-Pelikana-20241028142600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If you want to sort by date, ppl need to get on the CommonsData bandwagon, because that is the only way that will ever become a reality. —<a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" title="User:TheDJ">TheDJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ" title="User talk:TheDJ">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheDJ" title="Special:Contributions/TheDJ">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-TheDJ-20241029151800-Prototyperspective-20241028214300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Disagree. What would be needed is to make use of the Information template – see <a href="#How_to_search_fields_of_files'_Information_template?">#How to search fields of files' Information template?</a>. I don't care whether the data from that template is 1. read and written to structured data and 2. kept in sync with structured data or whether it can be searched another way, I just disagree that this is required and also see an issue where this data would need to be written to over 100 million files and thus may not be feasible while one can already search data in the file information template via <code>insource</code> which could readily be improved upon. (If it doesn't become a reality otherwise, that is because of ideology and/or having invested much into a somewhat redundant techcomponent that makes it hard for some to see or consider, possibly–likely better, alternatives.) <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241029164400-TheDJ-20241029151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Is that (whatever it means or implies) really needed, just to find out the upload-date? This can be done already in special search. <a href="/wiki/User:Pelikana" title="User:Pelikana">Pelikana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pelikana" title="User talk:Pelikana">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Pelikana-20241029152900-TheDJ-20241029151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>No, the comment was about the date the media was recorded. I think I overread "upload-date" and the title was unclear on whether you mean upload-date or date the file was taken but it's also relevant in general so I thought it was relevant enough to mention. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241029165000-Pelikana-20241029152900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" title="User:TheDJ">TheDJ</a> do you mean sdc or...? <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-RoyZuo-20241101190600-TheDJ-20241029151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Ok. tx Any way to get around alphabetical order can be helpful in some huge unsorted categories. On smaller cats and sorted cats by crafted sortkeys the option would be needless and to be avoided. Maybe it could be just an optional piece of code to put in the header of the most relevant huge unsorted categories. I have another topic to ask attention for, it is on the [<a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:VisualFileChange.js#Why_is_Scroll_Down_by_keyboard_disabled_and_can_this_be_fixed%3F">talk page of visual file change</a>]. Open question and request about scrolling by keyboard. <a href="/wiki/User:Pelikana" title="User:Pelikana">Peli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pelikana" title="User talk:Pelikana">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Pelikana-20241031102100-Prototyperspective-20241028214300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Requested more than a decade ago (<a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71417" class="extiw" title="phab:T71417">phab:T71417</a>) and triaged as "Low" priority. 😒 — <a href="/wiki/User:Draceane" title="User:Draceane">Draceane</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Draceane" title="User talk:Draceane">talk</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Draceane" title="Special:Contributions/Draceane">contrib.</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Draceane-20241101201600-Pelikana-20241028142600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The API also supports by date added to the category (Not neccessarily the same thing as date created) - <a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmtitle=Category:Uncategorized_images_of_the_Rijksmuseum&cmsort=timestamp&cmlimit=max">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmtitle=Category:Uncategorized_images_of_the_Rijksmuseum&cmsort=timestamp&cmlimit=max</a> . In theory it would be easier to add support for sorting categories in that way than other forms of sort by "date". Someone would still have to do it though. <a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" title="User:Bawolff">Bawolff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff" title="User talk:Bawolff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Bawolff-20241104063100-Draceane-20241101201600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That would also be very useful. Maybe that should be added to that linked phab issue? I don't think it would be as useful as sorting by date taken however. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241104105400-Bawolff-20241104063100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Upload_Wizard_very_slow" data-mw-thread-id="h-Upload_Wizard_very_slow-20241028145100">Upload Wizard very slow</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Upload Wizard very slow">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r914379029">.mw-parser-output .tracked{float:right;clear:right;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#999);border-radius:2px;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive,#eee);font-size:85%;text-align:center;padding:0.5em;margin-left:1em;margin-bottom:1em;width:12em;color:var(--color-emphasized,black)}.mw-parser-output .tracked p{margin:0}.mw-parser-output .tracked-url{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .tracked .status,.mw-parser-output .tracked-status{font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .tracked .status.resolved,.mw-parser-output .tracked-resolved{color:green}.mw-parser-output .tracked .status.critical,.mw-parser-output .tracked-critical{color:red;font-size:1.5em}</style>Tracked in <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator">Phabricator</a> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379462" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T379462">Task T379462</a> RESOLVED Repeated UploadWizard failures: "Server did not respond in time"</div> <div class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r914379029">Tracked in <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator">Phabricator</a> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379035" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T379035">Task T379035</a> RESOLVED Consider lifting AssembleUploadChunks and PublishStashedFile out of the low-traffic consumer</div> <div class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r914379029">Tracked in <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator">Phabricator</a> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378385" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T378385">Task T378385</a> RESOLVED Spike in JobQueue job backlog time (500ms -> 4-8 minutes)</div> <div class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r914379029">Tracked in <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator">Phabricator</a> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378609" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T378609">Task T378609</a> RESOLVED Monitoring to surface "low-traffic" jobs isolation failure</div> <div class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r914379029">Tracked in <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator">Phabricator</a> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378276" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T378276">Task T378276</a> DUPLICATE Mass uploads to Commons doesn't work for me</div> For the past few days, Upload Wizard has been very slow. Uploads that used to take secs now take mins. The behaviour I see: when I start uploads, it runs at 1-2 MB/sec for a few seconds. Then it slows down to < 1KB/sec for long periods. Intermittently, there is a burst of 1-2 MB/sec for a few seconds. When I use chunked upload for a new version of a file, with chuck size 4 MB, the chunks upload fast, but then finishing and posting takes several minutes. Others have reported similar issues @<a href="/wiki/User:%E5%BB%A3%E4%B9%9D%E7%9B%B4%E9%80%9A%E8%BB%8A" title="User:廣九直通車">廣九直通車</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:MPF" title="User:MPF">MPF</a>: . Would appreciate any suggestions and help. <a href="/wiki/User:Tagooty" title="User:Tagooty">Tagooty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tagooty" title="User talk:Tagooty">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Tagooty-20241028145100-Upload_Wizard_very_slow" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I just uploaded 3 images with Upload Wizard, each with around 10MB size. It took me almost 9 minutes to upload, compose and queue the files, and after populating the files with descriptions and categories, it takes me another 3 minutes to finish the whole upload procedure. Moreover, during the first 9 minutes, I remember Upload Wizard reported errors with server connection. What's the problem? Should I send the matter to Phabricator?<a href="/wiki/User:%E5%BB%A3%E4%B9%9D%E7%9B%B4%E9%80%9A%E8%BB%8A" title="User:廣九直通車">廣九直通車</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E5%BB%A3%E4%B9%9D%E7%9B%B4%E9%80%9A%E8%BB%8A" title="User talk:廣九直通車">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-廣九直通車-20241029080400-Tagooty-20241028145100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Dito, also have errors when uploading larger files --<a href="/wiki/User:PantheraLeo1359531" title="User:PantheraLeo1359531">PantheraLeo1359531 😺</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PantheraLeo1359531" title="User talk:PantheraLeo1359531">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-PantheraLeo1359531-20241029080800-廣九直通車-20241029080400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Interestingly, I also tried direct upload from Flickr. Everything works perfectly fine in this case. Interesting...<a href="/wiki/User:%E5%BB%A3%E4%B9%9D%E7%9B%B4%E9%80%9A%E8%BB%8A" title="User:廣九直通車">廣九直通車</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E5%BB%A3%E4%B9%9D%E7%9B%B4%E9%80%9A%E8%BB%8A" title="User talk:廣九直通車">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-廣九直通車-20241029100800-PantheraLeo1359531-20241029080800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Today, I'm unable to upload any picture with Upload Wizard. I have opened <a href="/wiki/Commons:Upload_Wizard_feedback#Unable_to_upload_photo_with_Upload_Wizard" title="Commons:Upload Wizard feedback">a new thread</a> on a help page about it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jakubhal" title="User:Jakubhal">Jakubhal</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Jakubhal-20241029173300-Tagooty-20241028145100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi all, I would suggest you to open a Phabricator ticket about the problems you're having, and then kindly link it back to me, so that I could solicitate some action from the devs. Is it possible? <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User:Sannita (WMF)">Sannita (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User talk:Sannita (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Sannita_(WMF)-20241029184300-Jakubhal-20241029173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I guess this is <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378276" class="extiw" title="phab:T378276">phab:T378276</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" title="User:Bawolff">Bawolff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff" title="User talk:Bawolff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Bawolff-20241031025000-Sannita_(WMF)-20241029184300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Well, as of 31 October, it appears that the problem is largely solved. Just uploaded a total of 55MB of files, and the process is smooth. This thread may be kept in case things break again, however.<a href="/wiki/User:%E5%BB%A3%E4%B9%9D%E7%9B%B4%E9%80%9A%E8%BB%8A" title="User:廣九直通車">廣九直通車</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E5%BB%A3%E4%B9%9D%E7%9B%B4%E9%80%9A%E8%BB%8A" title="User talk:廣九直通車">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-廣九直通車-20241031082900-Bawolff-20241031025000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Seems like the underlying cause is <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378385" class="extiw" title="phab:T378385">phab:T378385</a>. Basically, the upload wizard (chunked upload) jobs share infrastructure with other jobs that only get triggered rarely. All of a sudden flagged revisions extension started making a lot of a type of job that normally does not get triggered very often. This meant that the UploadWizard jobs had to wait for those to complete first, slowing things down. It seems like that situation resolved, so upload wizard should be back to normal now. <a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" title="User:Bawolff">Bawolff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff" title="User talk:Bawolff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Bawolff-20241031212700-廣九直通車-20241031082900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sounds like weird planning when batch jobs meant to do stuff in off-hours to reduce load for day-to-day operations in one wiki sink regular operations in another wiki. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241101071300-Bawolff-20241031212700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Similiarly: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378385#10282871" class="extiw" title="phab:T378385">phab:T378385#10282871</a> ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241101223300-Bawolff-20241031212700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" title="User:Bawolff">Bawolff</a> Not sure if <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378276" class="extiw" title="phab:T378276">phab:T378276</a> is resolved and the root cause properly addressed as task <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379035" class="extiw" title="phab:T379035">phab:T379035</a> is titled "consider".</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User:Sannita (WMF)">Sannita (WMF)</a>: is there any progress on your side? ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241107125300-Enhancing999-20241101223300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The immediate issue is resolved - its no longer slow. The other task is a follow up to try and reduce the risk of a similar thing happening in the future. <a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" title="User:Bawolff">Bawolff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff" title="User talk:Bawolff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Bawolff-20241107135900-Enhancing999-20241107125300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Well, it's no longer slow each time a user aborts an upload, but that doesn't mean the problem was resolved.</dd> <dd>Given the current configuration that has Commons uploaders wait while MediaWiki performance maintenance at Wikipedia, it's likely to happen again. We don't want to open and close tickets merely because a user closed their browser. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241107140600-Bawolff-20241107135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>As a general principle, tasks are supposed to represent something to do. The <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379035" class="extiw" title="phab:T379035">phab:T379035</a> is supposed to represent the long term fix, where the other one is supposed to represent making things work right now & figuring out what happened. Since the long term fixes stuff is encapsulated in the other task, it makes no sense to keep the T378385 open since there is nothing to do on that task that isn't covered by T379035 [That said, the issue is possibly reoccurring right now]. <a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" title="User:Bawolff">Bawolff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff" title="User talk:Bawolff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Bawolff-20241109102400-Enhancing999-20241107140600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378276" class="extiw" title="phab:T378276">phab:T378276</a> is about an existing, severe problem that needs to be solved.</dd> <dd><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379035" class="extiw" title="phab:T379035">phab:T379035</a> about an investigation that may or may not fix the problem. For casual readers, it might not even clear that is concerns Commons and that it could fix a severe issue at Commons. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241109113400-Bawolff-20241109102400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks to those working on these issues. For the record, I recently posted to the Help Desk here: <a href="/wiki/Help_desk#Upload_Wizard_broken_for_me" class="mw-redirect" title="Help desk">Help_desk#Upload Wizard broken for me</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:RobbieIanMorrison" title="User:RobbieIanMorrison">RobbieIanMorrison</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RobbieIanMorrison" title="User talk:RobbieIanMorrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-RobbieIanMorrison-20241109201100-Enhancing999-20241109113400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> Good news: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379035#10318390" class="extiw" title="phab:T379035">phab:T379035#10318390</a> notes the deployment, so category updates at Wikipedia will no longer have Commons uploaders wait while uploading. Also, if I understood the fix correctly, uploads by url wont impact upload wizard performance any more. Thanks for everyone involved in finally investigating and fixing this. It would be good to have links to the reports allowing to check those upload queues for saturation. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241114140400-Upload_Wizard_very_slow" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/CbmStnlGk/jobqueue-job?orgId=1&refresh=5m&var-dc=codfw%20prometheus%2Fk8s&var-job=AssembleUploadChunks">AssembleUploadChunks</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/CbmStnlGk/jobqueue-job?orgId=1&refresh=5m&var-dc=codfw%20prometheus%2Fk8s&var-job=PublishStashedFile">PublishStashedFile</a> ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241114140700-Enhancing999-20241114140400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tech_News:_2024-44" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tech_News:_2024-44-20241028205200">Tech News: 2024-44</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Tech News: 2024-44">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="plainlinks"> Latest <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">tech news</a> from the Wikimedia technical community. 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This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366068">[7]</a></li></ul> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">Tech news</a> prepared by <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers">Tech News writers</a> and posted by <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery">bot</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">Contribute</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/44" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/44">Translate</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech" class="extiw" title="m:Tech">Get help</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Talk:Tech/News">Give feedback</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors" class="extiw" title="m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors">Subscribe or unsubscribe</a>. </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a></bdi> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241028205200-Tech_News:_2024-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Russian_txt_in_English_field" data-mw-thread-id="h-Russian_txt_in_English_field-20241101210900">Russian txt in English field</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Russian txt in English field">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Is it possible to automatically switch all the descriptions created by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Aleksandr_Patil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Aleksandr Patil (page does not exist)">Aleksandr Patil</a> from English to Russian? He apparently is not aware that he is using the English field. <a href="/wiki/User:Hjart" title="User:Hjart">Hjart</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hjart" title="User talk:Hjart">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Hjart-20241101210900-Russian_txt_in_English_field" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I guess we need a friendly bot owner. <a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter" title="User talk:Ymblanter">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Ymblanter-20241101215500-Hjart-20241101210900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_to_copy_texts_from_Wikipedia_articles_via_browser_automatically?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_copy_texts_from_Wikipedia_articles_via_browser_automatically?-20241103122700">How to copy texts from Wikipedia articles via browser automatically?</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: How to copy texts from Wikipedia articles via browser automatically?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:How_to_make_a_spoken_Wikipedia_audio_using_AI_%E2%80%93_step_1_of_2_(copy_%26_adjust_article_content).gif" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/How_to_make_a_spoken_Wikipedia_audio_using_AI_%E2%80%93_step_1_of_2_%28copy_%26_adjust_article_content%29.gif/220px-How_to_make_a_spoken_Wikipedia_audio_using_AI_%E2%80%93_step_1_of_2_%28copy_%26_adjust_article_content%29.gif" decoding="async" width="220" height="273" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/How_to_make_a_spoken_Wikipedia_audio_using_AI_%E2%80%93_step_1_of_2_%28copy_%26_adjust_article_content%29.gif/330px-How_to_make_a_spoken_Wikipedia_audio_using_AI_%E2%80%93_step_1_of_2_%28copy_%26_adjust_article_content%29.gif 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/How_to_make_a_spoken_Wikipedia_audio_using_AI_%E2%80%93_step_1_of_2_%28copy_%26_adjust_article_content%29.gif/440px-How_to_make_a_spoken_Wikipedia_audio_using_AI_%E2%80%93_step_1_of_2_%28copy_%26_adjust_article_content%29.gif 2x" data-file-width="1456" data-file-height="1806"/></a><figcaption>Illustration of process I'm looking to automate more</figcaption></figure> Does somebody know how to automatically fetch Wikipedia article content into local files? The caveat here is that the API probably can't be used since the content is modified via CSS based on the CSS classes of the text content. Scraping the full HTML files and then converting these to text locally after the CSS modifications would probably be too difficult – I think automating the browser would be easier and maybe there are further methods. The content I'm looking to copy is the article contents up to the See also/Notes/References section. It would be best if all tables removed via hiding their CSS classes mark the file somehow so depending on the table one can insert the table in list format manually (this is under development, it would be best if it automatically converted tables or added a note that 'Table XYZ is not included here'). <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241103122700-How_to_copy_texts_from_Wikipedia_articles_via_browser_automatically?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:LicenseReview,_where_to_find_the_dropdown_menu_messages?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:LicenseReview,_where_to_find_the_dropdown_menu_messages?-20241103220100"><a href="/wiki/Template:LicenseReview" title="Template:LicenseReview">Template:LicenseReview</a>, where to find the dropdown menu messages?</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Template:LicenseReview, where to find the dropdown menu messages?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello, as a license reviewer, I'll have the option to click either "[license +]" or "[license -]". On "license -", I get a dropdown choice of different options, like "all rights reserved" or "non-commercial". Where are these text strings located? Where is a good place to ask for additions to them (maybe here?)? I'd like to have something like License review failed -> Reason: "Source link dead & archived versions unusable." to document the reality. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Grand-Duc" title="User:Grand-Duc">Grand-Duc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grand-Duc" title="User talk:Grand-Duc">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Grand-Duc-20241103220100-Template:LicenseReview,_where_to_find_the_dropdown_menu_messages?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Grand-Duc" title="User:Grand-Duc">Grand-Duc</a>! If the file was uploaded long ago you might want to read/comment <a href="/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Almost_400k_files_need_license_review" title="Commons:Village pump">Commons:Village_pump#Almost_400k_files_need_license_review</a>. 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The conference will feature discussions around the usage of MediaWiki software by and within companies in different industries and will inspire and onboard new users.</li></ul> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">Tech news</a> prepared by <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers">Tech News writers</a> and posted by <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery">bot</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">Contribute</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/45" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/45">Translate</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech" class="extiw" title="m:Tech">Get help</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Talk:Tech/News">Give feedback</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors" class="extiw" title="m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors">Subscribe or unsubscribe</a>. </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a></bdi> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241104204600-Tech_News:_2024-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="template:information_undisplayable_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-template:information_undisplayable_name-20241109222800">template:information undisplayable name</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: template:information undisplayable name">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I found the error. even if <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E3%83%BB%E3%83%BB%E3%83%BB%E3%83%BB" title="User talk:・・・・">・・・・</a> inputs template to them name but <a href="/wiki/Template:Author_missing" title="Template:Author missing">{{Author missing}}</a>. thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Eien20" title="User:Eien20">eien20</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eien20" title="User talk:Eien20">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Eien20-20241109222800-template:information_undisplayable_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Garbled_characters_in_SVG_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-Garbled_characters_in_SVG_image-20241110145400">Garbled characters in SVG image</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Garbled characters in SVG image">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Fiji_Province.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Fiji_Province.svg/220px-Fiji_Province.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="146" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Fiji_Province.svg/330px-Fiji_Province.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Fiji_Province.svg/440px-Fiji_Province.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="425"/></a><figcaption>Fiji ....</figcaption></figure> See <a href="/wiki/File:Fiji_Province.svg" title="File:Fiji Province.svg">File:Fiji Province.svg</a>. How can I fix it?--<a href="/wiki/User:BigBullfrog" title="User:BigBullfrog">BigBullfrog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BigBullfrog" title="User talk:BigBullfrog">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-BigBullfrog-20241110145400-Garbled_characters_in_SVG_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:BigBullfrog" title="User:BigBullfrog">BigBullfrog</a>: </dd> <dd>The file was using the Fantasy font. On Commons, that apparently turns Latin characters into special characters (which is not UTF-8). I overrode that choice with a style block that specifies <code>text</code> elements should use sans-serif.</dd> <dd>The file also has Arabic in it (with <code>display="none"</code>), but it should use translation units rather than translation planes.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Glrx" title="User:Glrx">Glrx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Glrx" title="User talk:Glrx">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Glrx-20241110153000-BigBullfrog-20241110145400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Glrx" title="User:Glrx">Glrx</a>: It doesn't work in some Wikipedias (e.g. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Fiji#/media/File:Fiji_Province.svg">en wiki</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Fiji_Province.svg">de wiki</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:BigBullfrog" title="User:BigBullfrog">BigBullfrog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BigBullfrog" title="User talk:BigBullfrog">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-BigBullfrog-20241111183600-Glrx-20241110153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Those links work for me. You may need to refresh the page without using the browser cache. <a href="/wiki/User:Glrx" title="User:Glrx">Glrx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Glrx" title="User talk:Glrx">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Glrx-20241111202500-BigBullfrog-20241111183600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Problem_with_thumbnails" data-mw-thread-id="h-Problem_with_thumbnails-20241110220300">Problem with thumbnails</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Problem with thumbnails">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/File:Yiannis_Boutaris_Drasi.jpg" title="File:Yiannis Boutaris Drasi.jpg">File:Yiannis Boutaris Drasi.jpg</a> is doing a problem with thumbnails, it can't be used in Wikipedia, Regards!! --<a href="/wiki/User:Ezarate" title="User:Ezarate">Ezarate</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ezarate" title="User talk:Ezarate">esteban</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Ezarate-20241110220300-Problem_with_thumbnails" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Creation_of_new_pages_logged_as_performed_unknown_action_"create/create"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Creation_of_new_pages_logged_as_performed_unknown_action_"create/create"-20241111001200">Creation of new pages logged as performed unknown action "create/create"</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Creation of new pages logged as performed unknown action "create/create"">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r914379029">Tracked in <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator">Phabricator</a> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379534" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T379534">Task T379534</a> </div> It seems that the creation of new pages currently shows up in the logs as [User] performed unknown action "create/create". Just reporting this for the technically minded... <a href="/wiki/User:Gestumblindi" title="User:Gestumblindi">Gestumblindi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gestumblindi" title="User talk:Gestumblindi">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Gestumblindi-20241111001200-Creation_of_new_pages_logged_as_performed_unknown_action_"create/create"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yikes. filed —<a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" title="User:TheDJ">TheDJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ" title="User talk:TheDJ">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheDJ" title="Special:Contributions/TheDJ">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-TheDJ-20241111095800-Gestumblindi-20241111001200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Please_help_me_clean_up_this_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Please_help_me_clean_up_this_template-20241111044800">Please help me clean up this template</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Please help me clean up this template">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I created <a href="/wiki/Template:AlphaFold" title="Template:AlphaFold">{{AlphaFold}}</a> to better address a frequent source of AI images that I was seeing, but I'm not good enough with templates to set up proper langswitching, etcetera. Could someone take a look and make sure I didn't break anything? Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:The_Squirrel_Conspiracy" title="User:The Squirrel Conspiracy">The Squirrel Conspiracy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Squirrel_Conspiracy" title="User talk:The Squirrel Conspiracy">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-The_Squirrel_Conspiracy-20241111044800-Please_help_me_clean_up_this_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tech_News:_2024-46" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tech_News:_2024-46-20241112000300">Tech News: 2024-46</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Tech News: 2024-46">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="plainlinks"> Latest <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">tech news</a> from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/46" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/46">Translations</a> are available. Updates for editors <ul><li>On wikis with the <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Translate" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Translate">Translate extension</a> enabled, users will notice that the FuzzyBot will now automatically create translated versions of categories used on translated pages. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285463">[11]</a></li> <li>View all 29 community-submitted tasks that were <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently_resolved_community_tasks" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks">resolved last week</a>. For example, the submitted task to use the <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Extension:SecurePoll" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:SecurePoll">SecurePoll extension</a> for English Wikipedia's special <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Wikipedia:Administrator_elections" class="extiw" title="w:en:Wikipedia:Administrator elections">administrator election</a> was resolved on time. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371454">[12]</a></li></ul> Updates for technical contributors <ul><li><img alt="Advanced item" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/12px-Octicons-tools.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/18px-Octicons-tools.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/24px-Octicons-tools.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="1024"/> In <code dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.44/wmf.2" class="extiw" title="mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.2">1.44.0-wmf-2</a></code>, the logic of Wikibase function <code>getAllStatements</code> changed to behave like <code>getBestStatements</code>. Invoking the function now returns a copy of values which are immutable. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T270851">[13]</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/">Wikimedia REST API</a> users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. The API will be rerouting some page content endpoints from RESTbase to the newer <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/API:REST_API" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:REST API">MediaWiki REST API</a> endpoints. The <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374683" class="extiw" title="phab:T374683">impacted endpoints</a> include getting page/revision metadata and rendered HTML content. These changes will be available on testwiki later this week, with other projects to follow. This change should not affect existing functionality, but active users of the impacted endpoints should verify behavior on testwiki, and raise any concerns on the related <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374683" class="extiw" title="phab:T374683">Phabricator ticket</a>.</li></ul> In depth <ul><li>Admins and users of the Wikimedia projects <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Moderator_Tools/Automoderator#Usage" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Automoderator">where Automoderator is enabled</a> can now monitor and evaluate important metrics related to Automoderator's actions. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://superset.wmcloud.org/superset/dashboard/unified-automoderator-activity-dashboard/">This Superset dashboard</a> calculates and aggregates metrics about Automoderator's behaviour on the projects in which it is deployed. Thanks to the Moderator Tools team for this Dashboard; you can visit <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Moderator_Tools/Automoderator/Unified_Activity_Dashboard" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Automoderator/Unified Activity Dashboard">the documentation page</a> for more information about this work. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369488">[14]</a></li></ul> Meetings and events <ul><li>21 November 2024 (<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons_community_discussion_-_21_November_2024_8:00_UTC" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 21 November 2024 8:00 UTC">8:00 UTC</a> & <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons_community_discussion_-_21_November_2024_16:00_UTC" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 21 November 2024 16:00 UTC">16:00 UTC</a>) - <a href="/wiki/Commons:WMF_support_for_Commons/Commons_community_calls" title="Commons:WMF support for Commons/Commons community calls">Community call</a> with Wikimedia Commons volunteers and stakeholders to help prioritize support efforts for 2025-2026 Fiscal Year. The theme of this call is how content should be organised on Wikimedia Commons.</li></ul> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">Tech news</a> prepared by <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers">Tech News writers</a> and posted by <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery">bot</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">Contribute</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/46" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/46">Translate</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech" class="extiw" title="m:Tech">Get help</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Talk:Tech/News">Give feedback</a> • <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors" class="extiw" title="m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors">Subscribe or unsubscribe</a>. </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a></bdi> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241112000300-Tech_News:_2024-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NamespaceInfo_and_subpages" data-mw-thread-id="h-NamespaceInfo_and_subpages-20241112103200"><a href="/wiki/Special:NamespaceInfo" title="Special:NamespaceInfo">NamespaceInfo</a> and subpages</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: NamespaceInfo and subpages">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/Special:NamespaceInfo" title="Special:NamespaceInfo">Special:NamespaceInfo</a> lists namespaces that can have subpages. Sample: "User talk" can have subpages, "Files" can't. Currently the following namespaces have subpages enabled, but I'm not sure if they should: <ul><li>Category</li> <li>Creator</li> <li>Institution</li></ul> ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241112103200-NamespaceInfo_and_subpages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Problem_with_Commons_categories_in_Multilingual_sites_in_Wikidata,_consequences_for_Commons" data-mw-thread-id="h-Problem_with_Commons_categories_in_Multilingual_sites_in_Wikidata,_consequences-20241114053900">Problem with Commons categories in Multilingual sites in Wikidata, consequences for Commons</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Problem with Commons categories in Multilingual sites in Wikidata, consequences for Commons">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> In Wikidata there are Wikidata items that have a label that starts with "Category", have a statement "instance of" and have a link to "category's main topic" (and vice versa in the linked Wikidata item about the subject with a "topic's main category"); here referred to as Wikimedia category and subject Wikidata item. I always thought that such Wikidata items in Commons are automatically put through to for example the Wikidata Infobox and corresponding Wikipedia's. Example: <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9097136" class="extiw" title="d:Q9097136">d:Q9097136</a> is such a Wikimedia category; its 'Multilingual sites' contains a link to the Commons category <a href="/wiki/Category:Spijkenisse" title="Category:Spijkenisse">Category:Spijkenisse</a> and it has no image, that is in the corresponding subject Wikidata item <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q488545" class="extiw" title="d:Q488545">d:Q488545</a>. The Wikidata Infobox in <a href="/wiki/Category:Spijkenisse" title="Category:Spijkenisse">Category:Spijkenisse</a> shows the image and other information from the subject Wikidata item and it shows even the link to the subject Wikidata item, but this subject Wikidata item does not have any 'Multilingual sites'. And the EN-WP article <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Spijkenisse" class="extiw" title="w:en:Spijkenisse">w:en:Spijkenisse</a> has a link to the correct Commons category (under "Tools"), though there is no link in the Wikimedia category to the EN-WP article. So my conclusion is that there is an automatically procedure that links both Wikidata items to each other and their content to all the places where they are needed. <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Question</bdi> Is this correct? Problem: But now there is a discussion on <a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2024/09/Category:Redirects_connected_to_a_Wikidata_item" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/09/Category:Redirects connected to a Wikidata item">Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/09/Category:Redirects connected to a Wikidata item</a> where someone pointed out that there are situations in which this automatism does not work and so people invent work-arounds that causes other problems (in this case often an empty gallery page is created with a redirect to the Commons category, and this empty gallery page is used in the 'Multilingual sites' of the subject Wikidata item, see all pages in <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_connected_to_a_Wikidata_item" title="Category:Redirects connected to a Wikidata item">c:Category:Redirects connected to a Wikidata item</a> for examples). One problem is a link in a Commons category to a Wikidata "Family tree" template: <ul><li>Open the <a href="/wiki/Category:Carlo_Buonaparte" title="Category:Carlo Buonaparte">c:Category:Carlo_Buonaparte</a> and the "Family tree" template. On the side of the sons you can see "Joseph Bonaparte" does not have any link, just a "[d]" you can click to enter his <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7726" class="extiw" title="d:Q7726">d:Q7726</a> Wikidata entry: There you can see the 'Multilingual sites' field has no entries, as the <a href="/wiki/Category:Joseph_Bonaparte" title="Category:Joseph Bonaparte">Category:Joseph Bonaparte</a> is instead linked to <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q31993664" class="extiw" title="d:Q31993664">d:Q31993664</a>. If you are looking for images you have to do a long scroll to the Property:P373 in order to jump back to Commons. So even if the Commons category is present in the property "Commons category" of <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7726" class="extiw" title="d:Q7726">d:Q7726</a> it makes no direct link.</li></ul> <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Question</bdi> Can this problem be solved? Is this the right place to ask for such a solution? I already have asked the same question on <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2024/11#Problem_with_Commons_categories_in_Multilingual_sites" class="extiw" title="d:Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2024/11">d:Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2024/11#Problem_with_Commons_categories_in_Multilingual_sites</a> but I did not get an answer. <a href="/wiki/User:JopkeB" title="User:JopkeB">JopkeB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JopkeB" title="User talk:JopkeB">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-JopkeB-20241114053900-Problem_with_Commons_categories_in_Multilingual_sites_in_Wikidata,_consequences" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think it's fairly easy to fix: One should just add Commons sitelinks to the item with the articles they describe, whenever possible. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241116124200-JopkeB-20241114053900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> for your reaction. What do you exactly mean? For the example of <a href="/wiki/Category:Carlo_Buonaparte" title="Category:Carlo Buonaparte">Category:Carlo_Buonaparte</a>: what should be done to get the correct links to Joseph Bonaparte? <a href="/wiki/User:JopkeB" title="User:JopkeB">JopkeB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JopkeB" title="User talk:JopkeB">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-JopkeB-20241118044900-Enhancing999-20241116124200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ask Wikidata to link <a href="/wiki/Category:Joseph_Bonaparte" title="Category:Joseph Bonaparte">Category:Joseph Bonaparte</a> from <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7726" class="extiw" title="d:Q7726">d:Q7726</a>. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241118104500-JopkeB-20241118044900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi> Anyone can do that. Why did you say "Ask Wikidata"? <a href="/wiki/User:Yann" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yann" title="User talk:Yann">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Yann-20241118111300-Enhancing999-20241118104500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Because, it's likely that your edit will be undone shortly (not by me). ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241118111900-Yann-20241118111300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't see why. I have done hundreds such edits, and they were very rarely contested. I think the links were automatically and erroneously added when a Wikipedia category exists. Commons categories should be linked to Wikipedia articles, not to Wikipedia categories. Is there anyone opposing that? <a href="/wiki/User:Yann" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yann" title="User talk:Yann">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Yann-20241118113700-Enhancing999-20241118111900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Yann" title="User:Yann">Yann</a>: I am afraid <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> is right: Pi bot undid your change and the problem has not yet been solved. <a href="/wiki/User:JopkeB" title="User:JopkeB">JopkeB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JopkeB" title="User talk:JopkeB">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-JopkeB-20241118153200-Yann-20241118113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ah. :( @<a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a>: Hi, Please stop your bot from linking to the wrong items, i.e. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q7726&action=history">[15]</a>. There is quite a consensus that Wikipedia articles should be linked to Commons categories. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Yann" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yann" title="User talk:Yann">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Yann-20241118153600-JopkeB-20241118153200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>AFAIK Mike Peel has decided that he has authority over what Commons users want. :((( Now I have opened a discussion on <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Links_to_Commons_categories" class="extiw" title="d:Wikidata:Project chat">Wikidata:Project chat</a>. You may want to give your opinions there. <a href="/wiki/User:Yann" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yann" title="User talk:Yann">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Yann-20241118182400-JopkeB-20241118153200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Yann: do you have diffs to support your statement "I have done hundreds such edits"? ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241119142200-Yann-20241118113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>OK, so this is actually an issue with <a href="/wiki/Template:Wikidata/FamilyTree" title="Template:Wikidata/FamilyTree">{{Wikidata/FamilyTree}}</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Pyb" title="User:Pyb">Pyb</a>: can you help? The Lua code that looks for the Commons link should automatically follow <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityPage/P910" class="extiw" title="d:Special:EntityPage/P910">topic's main category (P910)</a> values to the category item and get the Commons sitelink from there, but it looks like it currently doesn't. You could use the 'getCommonsLink' function from <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:Wikidata_Infobox#L-94">Wikidata Infobox</a> to do this. I'll also raise this at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Wikidata/FamilyTree" title="Template talk:Wikidata/FamilyTree">Template talk:Wikidata/FamilyTree</a>. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Peel" title="User talk:Mike Peel">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Mike_Peel-20241119072300-JopkeB-20241114053900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a>: No, it is not. This issue is not only for people, but for any subject.</dd> <dd>Wikidata links to the wrong items. Demonstration (and please note that this is valid for any Wikimedia project, not only Commons): Say that a project has a page X linked to a WD item #1. Then, as the subject becomes sufficiently important, a subpage X1 is created. Will WD change the link to another item?</dd> <dd>If there is no gallery, a Commons category is linked to the corresponding WD item. Then why changing the link if a gallery is created? <a href="/wiki/User:Yann" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yann" title="User talk:Yann">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Yann-20241119074800-Mike_Peel-20241119072300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Subpages are rare on Wikipedias. Category items still exist for Wikipedia categories, though - in the named case, you broke the Commons link at <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Joseph_Bonaparte" class="extiw" title="de:Kategorie:Joseph Bonaparte">de:Kategorie:Joseph Bonaparte</a> with your edits. For templates, the solution is to follow <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityPage/P910" class="extiw" title="d:Special:EntityPage/P910">topic's main category (P910)</a>/<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityPage/P301" class="extiw" title="d:Special:EntityPage/P301">category's main topic (P301)</a>, which is what the Wikidata Infobox does, and could also be applied here. It's not optimal, and and I would like to see things improved in the long term - but it's what works practically right now. If you want to have a better solution, get a clear consensus somewhere, and go ask WMDE to make changes to Wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Peel" title="User talk:Mike Peel">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Mike_Peel-20241119082200-Yann-20241119074800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>According to <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mike_Peel&diff=prev&oldid=2277060082">[16]</a>, things are not set in stone. Martin says that links could be changed if there is a consensus on Commons for that. <a href="/wiki/User:Yann" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yann" title="User talk:Yann">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Yann-20241119164800-JopkeB-20241114053900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Templates_in_description_field_bug" data-mw-thread-id="h-Templates_in_description_field_bug-20241118161500">Templates in description field bug</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Templates in description field bug">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r914379029">Tracked in <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator">Phabricator</a> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380190" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T380190">Task T380190</a> Template used in information->description causes wrong image description to be returned from API</div> Continuing <a href="/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical/Archive/2024/10#Templates_in_description_field_cause_empty_caption_in_Media_Viewer" title="Commons:Village pump/Technical/Archive/2024/10">Commons:Village pump/Technical/Archive/2024/10#Templates in description field cause empty caption in Media Viewer</a>: I write to inform that I reported the problem as <a class="external free" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380190">https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380190</a>. You can add more details if you wish, or interact in some other ways – I'm not familiar with Phabricator savoir vivre and politics. I would also like to add that I feel demotivated and hopeless by the way the now archived thread linked above was handled. I asked for help and no one even bothered to answer "no, I won't help, do it yourself". The thread was left to die, without anyone giving a helping hand to bring the topic closer to some solution. I don't think that ignoring a problem makes it disappear. This was an unpleasant experience for me to collaborate this way. I hope someone reads this feedback and makes some use of it. <a href="/wiki/User:Derbeth" title="User:Derbeth">Derbeth</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Derbeth" title="User talk:Derbeth">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Derbeth-20241118161500-Templates_in_description_field_bug" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Maybe <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User:Sannita (WMF)">User:Sannita (WMF)</a> can help? It's a problem I was wondering how to get around it before. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241119142500-Derbeth-20241118161500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'll flag it to the devs and see if they can do something about it. I'm sorry that @<a href="/wiki/User:Derbeth" title="User:Derbeth">Derbeth</a> had this unpleasant experience. I'll keep you posted about it, but please be aware that it might take some time. <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User:Sannita (WMF)">Sannita (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User talk:Sannita (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Sannita_(WMF)-20241119145100-Enhancing999-20241119142500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> Thank you Sannita. I fully understand fixing bugs takes time. I just wish discussions here were more like "exchanging different opinions -> agreeing what to do -> doing", instead of "dissolving" without any conclusion, as I felt was the case with the topic I started in October. --<a href="/wiki/User:Derbeth" title="User:Derbeth">Derbeth</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Derbeth" title="User talk:Derbeth">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Derbeth-20241119165100-Templates_in_description_field_bug" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yeah, I see. As I said, I'll try this time to get you a solution for it, instead of just disappearing. If you don't hear from me, you're free to ping me on my talk page about this bug. <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User:Sannita (WMF)">Sannita (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User talk:Sannita (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Sannita_(WMF)-20241119172100-Derbeth-20241119165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I wish that too. I think people did not engage exchanging different opinions -> because it's clear this needs to be fixed and people share the opinion that it needs to be fixed with it not being useful in regards to getting it fixed to write that. -> agreeing what to do for bugs people generally agree that it should be reported and fixed. Somebody should have asked to create a phab issue. -> doing this part is the key problem. Even major bugs like all interactive charts on Wikipedia being broken or Commons categories not showing on mobile are not getting fixed after timescales of 5 years to decades. I don't think complaining about this is enough anymore so I made concrete suggestions on how to fix this here. They could readily be discussed and implemented which would result in all technical issues being addressed more often and more quickly: <dl><dd><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:MediaWiki_Product_Insights/Contributor_retention_and_growth#Please_increase_MediaWiki_development_capacity_further" class="extiw" title="mw:Talk:MediaWiki Product Insights/Contributor retention and growth">Please increase MediaWiki development capacity further</a>. </dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241119173700-Derbeth-20241119165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The commons category thing is not a case of insufficient resources. The graph thing is partially a resource problem, but that is hardly the only issue there and it would be a gross oversimplification to boil it down to just that. Some problems are resource problems, i would even say many problems on commons are resource problems, but not all problems are resource problems. <a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" title="User:Bawolff">Bawolff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff" title="User talk:Bawolff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Bawolff-20241119210900-Prototyperspective-20241119173700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Those were just examples. Meant to add a note that the hiding of categories on mobile doesn't even really require much resources but dropped it; this just makes it even worse. Add them already, what gives WMF the permission to just hide away this core useful data I wonder. It's not a simplification to say things are technical development capacity problems, it would be solved much faster with more thinking/development capacity or are we waiting for a new Internet protocol for it to be invented before it can be addressed? I was not describing "resource" problems, I was describing a lack of technical development...obviously increasing technical development would result in more technical issues getting fixed and faster. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241119211500-Bawolff-20241119210900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sure, but i also think some of these problems are deciding what to do problems. No amount of technical resources will fix a problem if the underlying issue is we simply decided not to do it. Like the category thing in particular is pretty clearly not a case of WMF being too busy - its a trivial change. Its a product failure - there is a mismatch between what commons thinks is important and what that particular team thinks is important. If we want to fix that we need better communication not more people fixing bugs (there are other things where more people would be helpful). <a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" title="User:Bawolff">Bawolff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff" title="User talk:Bawolff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Bawolff-20241120091100-Prototyperspective-20241119211500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>These were examples so ignore this example if it's a bad example. we simply decided not to do it we did not. its a trivial change which is one reason why I don't donate to WMF and think they're doing a bad job what that particular team thinks is important what team? we need better communication there have been Wishlist proposals and phabricator issues and it's the most-supported request in the technical needs survey. All WMF needs to do is listen a bit and/or engage in any of these venues. not more people fixing bugs I see a tiny fraction of usually quite useful proposals in <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Community_Wishlist_Survey_results" class="extiw" title="meta:Category:Community Wishlist Survey results">meta:Category:Community Wishlist Survey results</a> have been implemented so far and on phabricator it's an even more desolate situation. We need far more people fixing bugs. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241120192800-Bawolff-20241120091100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There are always going to be more tasks than people. Having more people does not mean they will neccesarily work on the things you want them to. Like if there is something everyone agrees needs to be worked, but is pushed for something higher priority - then yes, more people will help with that. If there is something nobody seems to intend to fix, more people won't help, because that is not going to change the intention. <a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" title="User:Bawolff">Bawolff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff" title="User talk:Bawolff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Bawolff-20241125144800-Prototyperspective-20241120192800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I wasn't saying anything to the contrary. Anyway, as a note the likelihood of particularly useful or needed issues/proposals getting implemented is higher with more developers working on issues and more development per dev. Moreover, if lots of issues like pesky bugs are worked on then there is more possibility for other devs to work on interesting features since the major bugs are already being taken care of. e.g. we can't innovate much if everyone is only busy fixing bugs. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Prototyperspective-20241125150500-Bawolff-20241125144800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tech_News:_2024-47" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tech_News:_2024-47-20241119015700">Tech News: 2024-47</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Tech News: 2024-47">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="plainlinks"> Latest <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">tech news</a> from the Wikimedia technical community. 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Presumably at Commons that is "File:"-namespace. You might want to compare it with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NamespaceInfo" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:Special:NamespaceInfo">Wikipedia:Special:NamespaceInfo</a> and <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NamespaceInfo" class="extiw" title="wikidata:Special:NamespaceInfo">Wikidata:Special:NamespaceInfo</a>. It's not clear what the exact meaning or definition of "content"-namespace is. Maybe it's merely that they are counted that way for <a href="/wiki/Special:Statistics" title="Special:Statistics">Special:Statistics</a>? Weirdly it shows more "uploaded files" than content pages. Possibly we should also add "Data:"-namespace and "TimeText:"-namespace to the group. Not sure about "Category"- and "Gallery"-namespace. I'd probably either add or remove both. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241119143200-"Content"-pages_on_Special:NamespaceInfo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Content namespaces are usually default namespaces to search, namespaces used forspecial:statistics, used in a bunch of query special pages, and a bunch of other places in mediawiki. Its basically anything that should be considered real content as opposed to something like the Commons: namespace which hosts meta content. You can request the list of content namespaces be changed at phabricator. <a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" title="User:Bawolff">Bawolff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff" title="User talk:Bawolff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Bawolff-20241119205400-Enhancing999-20241119143200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Use_this_file"_no_reaction" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Use_this_file"_no_reaction-20241120151200">"Use this file" no reaction</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: "Use this file" no reaction">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/File:Dunluce_Castle._County_Antrim,_Ireland-LCCN2002717364.jpg" title="File:Dunluce Castle. County Antrim, Ireland-LCCN2002717364.jpg">File:Dunluce Castle. County Antrim, Ireland-LCCN2002717364.jpg</a> clicking the gadget has no response for me. is it the same for you? <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-RoyZuo-20241120151200-"Use_this_file"_no_reaction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I can reproduce it. Looking at the browser console, it says “TypeError: s is undefined” at <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-Stockphoto.js&oldid=916983667#L-451">Stockphoto.js, line 451</a> (where “s” probably means <var>prefill</var>). I currently don’t have the time/energy to debug this; you may want to write on the talk page of the script to avoid the problem getting archived and forgotten without being resolved. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tacsipacsi" title="User:Tacsipacsi">Tacsipacsi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tacsipacsi" title="User talk:Tacsipacsi">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Tacsipacsi-20241122004300-RoyZuo-20241120151200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Date_bug?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Date_bug?-20241120151300">Date bug?</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Date bug?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Dunluce_Castle._County_Antrim,_Ireland-LCCN2002717364.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Dunluce_Castle._County_Antrim%2C_Ireland-LCCN2002717364.jpg/220px-Dunluce_Castle._County_Antrim%2C_Ireland-LCCN2002717364.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="167" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Dunluce_Castle._County_Antrim%2C_Ireland-LCCN2002717364.jpg/330px-Dunluce_Castle._County_Antrim%2C_Ireland-LCCN2002717364.jpg 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Dunluce_Castle._County_Antrim%2C_Ireland-LCCN2002717364.jpg/440px-Dunluce_Castle._County_Antrim%2C_Ireland-LCCN2002717364.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3654" data-file-height="2768"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> in the mediaviewer it says "Created: 1500 Uploaded: 17 June 2014". i dont know where 1500 comes from. <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-RoyZuo-20241120151300-Date_bug?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There is some hidden text in the template output that says: <code>between 1890 and 1900<div style="display: none;">date QS:P571,+1500-00-00T00:00:00Z/6,P1319,+1890-00-00T00:00:00Z/9,P1326,+1900-00-00T00:00:00Z/9</div></code>. Possibly this comes from <a href="/wiki/Module:Complex_date" title="Module:Complex date">Module:Complex date</a> but i am not sure. <a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" title="User:Bawolff">Bawolff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff" title="User talk:Bawolff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Bawolff-20241120170600-RoyZuo-20241120151300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category_and_disambiguation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category_and_disambiguation-20241121074800">Category and disambiguation</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Category and disambiguation">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi everybody. I hope it's the right place to my question about categories and disambiguation. I started to move, but now I stopped it, categories of <a href="/wiki/Category:Municipalities_in_Spain" title="Category:Municipalities in Spain">Category:Municipalities in Spain</a> having ambiguos titles to leave space for the disambiguation page. For example I moved <a href="/wiki/Category:Lena" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Lena">Category:Lena</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Lena_(Asturias)" title="Category:Lena (Asturias)">Category:Lena (Asturias)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Orbita" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Orbita">Category:Orbita</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Orbita,_%C3%81vila" title="Category:Orbita, Ávila">Category:Orbita, Ávila</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Mar%C3%ADa" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:María">Category:María</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Mar%C3%ADa,_Almer%C3%ADa" title="Category:María, Almería">Category:María, Almería</a> and so on, around 20 or maybe 30 movings. N.B. In other situations, when the topic was clearly the main one, I just created a disambiguation page, for example in <a href="/wiki/Category:%C3%81vila" title="Category:Ávila">Category:Ávila</a> I added a link to <a href="/wiki/Category:%C3%81vila_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Ávila (disambiguation)">Category:Ávila (disambiguation)</a>, the same in <a href="/wiki/Category:Segovia" title="Category:Segovia">Category:Segovia</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Segovia_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Segovia (disambiguation)">Category:Segovia (disambiguation)</a>. Anyway I was asked to revert some edits for some categories, <a href="/wiki/Category:Pego" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Pego">Category:Pego</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Llerena" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Llerena">Category:Llerena</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Tormos" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Tormos">Category:Tormos</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Caso" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Caso">Category:Caso</a>,<a href="/wiki/Category:Tibi" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Tibi">Tibi</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Ibi" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Ibi">Ibi</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Navia" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Navia">Navia</a> and some others (but not clear exactly which ones) with the motivation that "are all municipialities and therefore primary topics". My question is about it: is it always the municipality the primary topic? I do not think so, I can't find a rule about it and I think that every situation is a specific one. I start to check other examples in <a href="/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_categories" title="Category:Disambiguation categories">Category:Disambiguation categories</a> and it seems that the municipality is NOT always the main topic, including when municipality it's olny one. Just some examples in alphabetical order. <a href="/wiki/Category:Aba,_Nigeria" title="Category:Aba, Nigeria">Category:Aba, Nigeria</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Aba" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Aba">Category:Aba</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Acushnet" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Acushnet">Category:Acushnet</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Acushnet,_Massachusetts" title="Category:Acushnet, Massachusetts">Category:Acushnet, Massachusetts</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Adria" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Adria">Category:Adria</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Adria_(Italy)" title="Category:Adria (Italy)">Category:Adria (Italy)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Adstock" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Adstock">Category:Adstock</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Adstock,_Quebec" title="Category:Adstock, Quebec">Category:Adstock, Quebec</a>. I'm ready to revert and/or fix my edits if they are wrong, but I would to know if there are any rules about it or it's better to analize every single situation one by one, and use the talk's page in the category to discuss it. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:MrKeefeJohn" title="User:MrKeefeJohn">MrKeefeJohn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrKeefeJohn" title="User talk:MrKeefeJohn">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-MrKeefeJohn-20241121074800-Category_and_disambiguation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think it's not so much a technical question, than one the needs to be decided for each category separately. There is CfD for this. Obviously, you could try to formulate a more general proposal.</dd> <dd>Personally, I think it's understandable that Spanish Wikipedia may use "<a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lena" class="extiw" title="es:Lena">Lena</a>" for the the municipality and English Wikipedia uses "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Station" class="extiw" title="w:North Station">North Station</a>" for a specific station. Neither should impact our choices for <a href="/wiki/Category:Lena" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Lena">Category:Lena</a> or <a href="/wiki/Category:North_Station" title="Category:North Station">Category:North Station</a> though. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Enhancing999-20241125114800-MrKeefeJohn-20241121074800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Errors_in_Template:Licensed-FOP" data-mw-thread-id="h-Errors_in_Template:Licensed-FOP-20241122203400">Errors in Template:Licensed-FOP</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Errors in Template:Licensed-FOP">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Dear fellow Wikimedians, here is one for the template experts, it regards the <a href="/wiki/Template:Licensed-FOP" title="Template:Licensed-FOP">{{Licensed-FOP}}</a> template. IMHO <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Licensed-FOP&diff=prev&oldid=957432592">this edit</a> has introduced two errors into the template by making it create unmatched/unbalanced <code>{{...}}</code> and <code><div>...</div></code>. I have tried to fix this in the two last edits (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Licensed-FOP&diff=next&oldid=957432592">[21]</a>, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Licensed-FOP&diff=next&oldid=960531268">[22]</a>). Could you please check whether the template is now (more or less) correct again, or if I have overlooked or even introduced yet another error (in the latter case please take my apologies!)? Thank you very much for your help! Best, – <a href="/wiki/User:Aristeas" title="User:Aristeas">Aristeas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aristeas" title="User talk:Aristeas">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Aristeas-20241122203400-Errors_in_Template:Licensed-FOP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aristeas" title="User:Aristeas">Aristeas</a> still broken. See, for example, uses at <a href="/wiki/File:Tower_of_Taipei_101.jpg" title="File:Tower of Taipei 101.jpg">File:Tower of Taipei 101.jpg</a> and <a href="/wiki/File:Singapore_Merlion_Park,_August_2023.jpg" title="File:Singapore Merlion Park, August 2023.jpg">File:Singapore Merlion Park, August 2023.jpg</a>. In fact, <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Barera" title="User:Michael Barera">Michael Barera</a> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AKansas_City_June_2022_14_%28T-Mobile_Center%29.jpg&oldid=prev&diff=961134834">removed the template</a> I added on the desc page of his image of T-Mobile arena, citing this broken template as the reason (<a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_Barera&diff=prev&oldid=961365254">read this</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:JWilz12345" title="User:JWilz12345">JWilz12345</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JWilz12345" title="User talk:JWilz12345">Talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JWilz12345" title="Special:Contributions/JWilz12345">Contributions</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-JWilz12345-20241124232700-Aristeas-20241122203400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Navbox_loses_background_blue_on_mobile" data-mw-thread-id="h-Navbox_loses_background_blue_on_mobile-20241123154800">Navbox loses background blue on mobile</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Navbox loses background blue on mobile">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/Template:Navbox" title="Template:Navbox">Template:Navbox</a> try <a href="/wiki/Category:Dresden_in_the_2010s" title="Category:Dresden in the 2010s">Category:Dresden in the 2010s</a>. background is all white on light mode and all dark on dark mode. many gridlines are also missing. <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-RoyZuo-20241123154800-Navbox_loses_background_blue_on_mobile" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_Assessments_bug" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_Assessments_bug-20241123155400">Template Assessments bug</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Template Assessments bug">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi, In this image <a href="/wiki/File:Louis_Armstrong_restored.jpg" title="File:Louis Armstrong restored.jpg">File:Louis Armstrong restored.jpg</a>, there is an issue with the <a href="/wiki/Template:Assessments" title="Template:Assessments">{{Assessments}}</a> template. It says This file is marked as a valued image, but it is missing its scope! Please refer to <a href="/wiki/Template:Assessments/doc" title="Template:Assessments/doc">Template:Assessments/doc</a>! However there is the parameter "val-nom=Louis Armstrong restored.jpg" corresponding to <a href="/wiki/Commons:Valued_image_candidates/Louis_Armstrong_restored.jpg" title="Commons:Valued image candidates/Louis Armstrong restored.jpg">Commons:Valued image candidates/Louis Armstrong restored.jpg</a>. Any idea? <a href="/wiki/User:Yann" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yann" title="User talk:Yann">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Yann-20241123155400-Template_Assessments_bug" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The template is missing the parameter <code>val-cat</code> which (<a href="/wiki/Template:Assessments/doc" title="Template:Assessments/doc">cf. template docs</a>) should link to the category in which the image is the most valuable one. Normally this value can be copied from the first parameter of the <a href="/wiki/Template:VI" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:VI">{{VI}}</a> template or from the <code>scope</code> parameter of the <a href="/wiki/Template:VIC" title="Template:VIC">{{VIC}}</a> template in the VI nomination. In this example (<a href="/wiki/Commons:Valued_image_candidates/Louis_Armstrong_restored.jpg" title="Commons:Valued image candidates/Louis Armstrong restored.jpg">cf. the VI nomination</a>) the value should be <code>val-cat=Louis Armstrong</code>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Aristeas" title="User:Aristeas">Aristeas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aristeas" title="User talk:Aristeas">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Aristeas-20241123162600-Yann-20241123155400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That fixed the issue. Thanks a lot! <a href="/wiki/User:Yann" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yann" title="User talk:Yann">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Yann-20241123170000-Aristeas-20241123162600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="font-size:90%; margin:2px 0; padding:8px; clear:both; border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1); background-color:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); color:var(--color-base,#202122);" class="mw-notalk"><img alt="Checkmark" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg/20px-OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg/40px-OOjs_UI_icon_check-constructive.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20"/> This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. --<a href="/wiki/User:%E5%BB%A3%E4%B9%9D%E7%9B%B4%E9%80%9A%E8%BB%8A" title="User:廣九直通車">廣九直通車</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E5%BB%A3%E4%B9%9D%E7%9B%B4%E9%80%9A%E8%BB%8A" title="User talk:廣九直通車">talk</a>) 05:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC) </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Could_not_acquire_lock"_error_for_larger_file_uploads" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Could_not_acquire_lock"_error_for_larger_file_uploads-20241124133200">"Could not acquire lock" error for larger file uploads</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: "Could not acquire lock" error for larger file uploads">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi! Especially when it comes to uploading larger files, the error "Could not acquire lock. Somebody else is doing smth. with that file." occurs. It is frustrating when there are many attempts needed to upload a larger file. The error occurs with the Upload Wizard and th chunked upload. It's been already around for several days. --<a href="/wiki/User:PantheraLeo1359531" title="User:PantheraLeo1359531">PantheraLeo1359531 😺</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PantheraLeo1359531" title="User talk:PantheraLeo1359531">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-PantheraLeo1359531-20241124133200-"Could_not_acquire_lock"_error_for_larger_file_uploads" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Flag_of_Ulyanovsk_Oblast_(2004).svg" data-mw-thread-id="h-Flag_of_Ulyanovsk_Oblast_(2004).svg-20241124215200"><a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_Ulyanovsk_Oblast_(2004).svg" title="File:Flag of Ulyanovsk Oblast (2004).svg">Flag of Ulyanovsk Oblast (2004).svg</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Flag of Ulyanovsk Oblast (2004).svg">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/User:Glrx" title="User:Glrx"></a> hi, this file seems to crash the file-page itself, also if there is a working file already uploaded - can somebody confirm this? i dont think its a cache-issue - thx already uploaded new working file: <a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_Ulyanovsk_Oblast_(2004)_02.svg" title="File:Flag of Ulyanovsk Oblast (2004) 02.svg">Flag of Ulyanovsk Oblast (2004) 02.svg</a> - other one is not needed anymore, just for debugging --<a href="/wiki/User:Mrmw" title="User:Mrmw">Mrmw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrmw" title="User talk:Mrmw">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Mrmw-20241124215200-Flag_of_Ulyanovsk_Oblast_(2004).svg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>file also doesnt appear at user-file-list: <a href="/wiki/Special:ListFiles/%E5%B9%BB%E5%85%89%E5%B0%98" title="Special:ListFiles/幻光尘">c:special:ListFiles/幻光尘</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Mrmw" title="User:Mrmw">Mrmw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrmw" title="User talk:Mrmw">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Mrmw-20241124220000-Mrmw-20241124215200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mrmw" title="User:Mrmw">Mrmw</a>: </dd> <dd>The 16 Feb 2019 version fails because it does not have a namespace declaration. Here is Chrome's error message: <dl><dd><a class="external free" href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/6/6f/20241124212357%21Flag_of_Ulyanovsk_Oblast_%282004%29.svg">https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/6/6f/20241124212357%21Flag_of_Ulyanovsk_Oblast_%282004%29.svg</a></dd> <dd><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre>This page contains the following errors: error on line 24 at column 54: Namespace prefix inkscape for connector-curvature on path is not defined Below is a rendering of the page up to the first error. </pre></div></dd></dl></dd> <dd>The file would have worked on Commons until April 2024 when the renderer was changed. After that, old cache images would give the appearance of working, but the renderer would fail to generate new images.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Glrx" title="User:Glrx">Glrx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Glrx" title="User talk:Glrx">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-Glrx-20241125184700-Mrmw-20241124215200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_to_separate_links_into_redlinks_and_bluelinks?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_separate_links_into_redlinks_and_bluelinks?-20241125180200">How to separate links into redlinks and bluelinks?</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Technical&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: How to separate links into redlinks and bluelinks?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2018/02/Category:Panoramics/workplace" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/2018/02/Category:Panoramics/workplace">Commons:Categories for discussion/2018/02/Category:Panoramics/workplace</a> (careful! LARGE page, 558k bytes) i wanna separate the rows into 2 groups: 1 group for target=redlink; 1 group for target=bluelink. how may i do that? so that i have 2 tables at the end. or just the simplest problem, how do i separate a group of mixed links into red or blue links? <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#c-RoyZuo-20241125180200-How_to_separate_links_into_redlinks_and_bluelinks?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>nvm. i came up with a trick. i'm gonna do ifexist and insert number 0 if bluelink, then they get sorted and nicely separated. <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a 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data-language-local-name="Persian" class="interlanguage-link-target">فارسی</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fi mw-list-item"><a href="https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(tekniikka)" title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (tekniikka) – Finnish" lang="fi" hreflang="fi" data-title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (tekniikka)" data-language-autonym="Suomi" data-language-local-name="Finnish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Suomi</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fr mw-list-item"><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Questions_techniques" title="Wikipédia:Questions techniques – French" lang="fr" hreflang="fr" data-title="Wikipédia:Questions techniques" data-language-autonym="Français" data-language-local-name="French" class="interlanguage-link-target">Français</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-frr mw-list-item"><a href="https://frr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:T%C3%A4chnik" title="Wikipedia:Tächnik – Northern Frisian" lang="frr" hreflang="frr" data-title="Wikipedia:Tächnik" data-language-autonym="Nordfriisk" data-language-local-name="Northern Frisian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Nordfriisk</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gl mw-list-item"><a href="https://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:A_Taberna_(t%C3%A9cnica)" title="Wikipedia:A Taberna (técnica) – Galician" lang="gl" hreflang="gl" data-title="Wikipedia:A Taberna (técnica)" data-language-autonym="Galego" data-language-local-name="Galician" class="interlanguage-link-target">Galego</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-glk mw-list-item"><a href="https://glk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%D9%82%D8%A3%D9%88%D9%87_%D8%AF%DB%8C%DA%A9%D8%A4%D9%86/%D9%81%D9%86%D8%AF_%D8%A4_%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%85" title="Wikipedia:قأوه دیکؤن/فند ؤ لیم – Gilaki" lang="glk" hreflang="glk" data-title="Wikipedia:قأوه دیکؤن/فند ؤ لیم" data-language-autonym="گیلکی" data-language-local-name="Gilaki" class="interlanguage-link-target">گیلکی</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hr mw-list-item"><a href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Kafi%C4%87/Tehni%C4%8Dka_pitanja" title="Wikipedija:Kafić/Tehnička pitanja – Croatian" lang="hr" hreflang="hr" data-title="Wikipedija:Kafić/Tehnička pitanja" data-language-autonym="Hrvatski" data-language-local-name="Croatian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Hrvatski</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hu mw-list-item"><a href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_(m%C5%B1szaki)" title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (műszaki) – Hungarian" lang="hu" hreflang="hu" data-title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (műszaki)" data-language-autonym="Magyar" data-language-local-name="Hungarian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Magyar</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hy mw-list-item"><a href="https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8E%D5%AB%D6%84%D5%AB%D5%BA%D5%A5%D5%A4%D5%AB%D5%A1:%D4%BD%D5%B8%D6%80%D5%B0%D6%80%D5%A4%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%B6/%D5%BF%D5%A5%D5%AD%D5%B6%D5%AB%D5%AF%D5%A1%D5%AF%D5%A1%D5%B6" title="Վիքիպեդիա:Խորհրդարան/տեխնիկական – Armenian" lang="hy" hreflang="hy" data-title="Վիքիպեդիա:Խորհրդարան/տեխնիկական" data-language-autonym="Հայերեն" data-language-local-name="Armenian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Հայերեն</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-id mw-list-item"><a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Teknis)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Teknis) – Indonesian" lang="id" hreflang="id" data-title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Teknis)" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Indonesia" data-language-local-name="Indonesian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Bahasa Indonesia</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ilo mw-list-item"><a href="https://ilo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Teknikal" title="Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Teknikal – Iloko" lang="ilo" hreflang="ilo" data-title="Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Teknikal" data-language-autonym="Ilokano" data-language-local-name="Iloko" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ilokano</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-it mw-list-item"><a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Officina" title="Wikipedia:Officina – Italian" lang="it" hreflang="it" data-title="Wikipedia:Officina" data-language-autonym="Italiano" data-language-local-name="Italian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Italiano</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-jv mw-list-item"><a href="https://jv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Angkringan_T%C3%A8hnis" title="Wikipédia:Angkringan Tèhnis – Javanese" lang="jv" hreflang="jv" data-title="Wikipédia:Angkringan Tèhnis" data-language-autonym="Jawa" data-language-local-name="Javanese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Jawa</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ka mw-list-item"><a href="https://ka.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%83%95%E1%83%98%E1%83%99%E1%83%98%E1%83%9E%E1%83%94%E1%83%93%E1%83%98%E1%83%90:%E1%83%A4%E1%83%9D%E1%83%A0%E1%83%A3%E1%83%9B%E1%83%98/%E1%83%A2%E1%83%94%E1%83%A5%E1%83%9C%E1%83%98%E1%83%99%E1%83%A3%E1%83%A0%E1%83%98_%E1%83%A1%E1%83%90%E1%83%99%E1%83%98%E1%83%97%E1%83%AE%E1%83%94%E1%83%91%E1%83%98" title="ვიკიპედია:ფორუმი/ტექნიკური საკითხები – Georgian" lang="ka" hreflang="ka" data-title="ვიკიპედია:ფორუმი/ტექნიკური საკითხები" data-language-autonym="ქართული" data-language-local-name="Georgian" class="interlanguage-link-target">ქართული</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-kk mw-list-item"><a href="https://kk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8B%D2%9B" title="Уикипедия:Форум/Техникалық – Kazakh" lang="kk" hreflang="kk" data-title="Уикипедия:Форум/Техникалық" data-language-autonym="Қазақша" data-language-local-name="Kazakh" class="interlanguage-link-target">Қазақша</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ko mw-list-item"><a href="https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%9C%84%ED%82%A4%EB%B0%B1%EA%B3%BC:%EC%82%AC%EB%9E%91%EB%B0%A9_(%EA%B8%B0%EC%88%A0)" title="위키백과:사랑방 (기술) – Korean" lang="ko" hreflang="ko" data-title="위키백과:사랑방 (기술)" data-language-autonym="한국어" data-language-local-name="Korean" class="interlanguage-link-target">한국어</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ks mw-list-item"><a href="https://ks.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%90%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%96%D9%BE%DB%8C%D9%96%DA%88%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D8%A0%D8%B3%D9%8E%D9%85%D8%A8%D9%8E%D9%84%DB%8C_(%D8%AA%D9%8E%DA%A9%D9%86%DB%8C%D9%96%DA%A9%DB%8C)" title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:اؠسَمبَلی (تَکنیٖکی) – Kashmiri" lang="ks" hreflang="ks" data-title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:اؠسَمبَلی (تَکنیٖکی)" data-language-autonym="कॉशुर / کٲشُر" data-language-local-name="Kashmiri" class="interlanguage-link-target">कॉशुर / کٲشُر</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ksh mw-list-item"><a href="https://ksh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technische_Krom" title="Wikipedia:Technische Krom – Colognian" lang="ksh" hreflang="ksh" data-title="Wikipedia:Technische Krom" data-language-autonym="Ripoarisch" data-language-local-name="Colognian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ripoarisch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ku mw-list-item"><a href="https://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%AEk%C3%AEpediya:D%C3%AEwan_(tekn%C3%AEk%C3%AE)" title="Wîkîpediya:Dîwan (teknîkî) – Kurdish" lang="ku" hreflang="ku" data-title="Wîkîpediya:Dîwan (teknîkî)" data-language-autonym="Kurdî" data-language-local-name="Kurdish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Kurdî</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-la mw-list-item"><a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Nuntii_Technici" title="Vicipaedia:Nuntii Technici – Latin" lang="la" hreflang="la" data-title="Vicipaedia:Nuntii Technici" data-language-autonym="Latina" data-language-local-name="Latin" class="interlanguage-link-target">Latina</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ml mw-list-item"><a href="https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%80%E0%B4%A1%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AF:%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%9E%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%9A%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D_(%E0%B4%B8%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%87%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%82)" title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പഞ്ചായത്ത് (സാങ്കേതികം) – Malayalam" lang="ml" hreflang="ml" data-title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പഞ്ചായത്ത് (സാങ്കേതികം)" data-language-autonym="മലയാളം" data-language-local-name="Malayalam" class="interlanguage-link-target">മലയാളം</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mr mw-list-item"><a href="https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%A1%E0%A5%80/%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A8" title="विकिपीडिया:चावडी/तांत्रिक प्रश्न – Marathi" lang="mr" hreflang="mr" data-title="विकिपीडिया:चावडी/तांत्रिक प्रश्न" data-language-autonym="मराठी" data-language-local-name="Marathi" class="interlanguage-link-target">मराठी</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ms mw-list-item"><a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kedai_Kopi_(teknikal)" title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi (teknikal) – Malay" lang="ms" hreflang="ms" data-title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi (teknikal)" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Melayu" data-language-local-name="Malay" class="interlanguage-link-target">Bahasa Melayu</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-my mw-list-item"><a href="https://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%80%80%E1%80%AE%E1%80%95%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%92%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8:%E1%80%9C%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%96%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%9B%E1%80%8A%E1%80%BA%E1%80%86%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA_(%E1%80%94%E1%80%8A%E1%80%BA%E1%80%B8%E1%80%95%E1%80%8A%E1%80%AC)" title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင် (နည်းပညာ) – Burmese" lang="my" hreflang="my" data-title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင် (နည်းပညာ)" data-language-autonym="မြန်မာဘာသာ" data-language-local-name="Burmese" class="interlanguage-link-target">မြန်မာဘာသာ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nds mw-list-item"><a href="https://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technik" title="Wikipedia:Technik – Low German" lang="nds" hreflang="nds" data-title="Wikipedia:Technik" data-language-autonym="Plattdüütsch" data-language-local-name="Low German" class="interlanguage-link-target">Plattdüütsch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ne mw-list-item"><a href="https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80_(%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95)" title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी (प्राविधिक) – Nepali" lang="ne" hreflang="ne" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी (प्राविधिक)" data-language-autonym="नेपाली" data-language-local-name="Nepali" class="interlanguage-link-target">नेपाली</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nl mw-list-item"><a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SHEIC" title="Wikipedia:SHEIC – Dutch" lang="nl" hreflang="nl" data-title="Wikipedia:SHEIC" data-language-autonym="Nederlands" data-language-local-name="Dutch" class="interlanguage-link-target">Nederlands</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pfl mw-list-item"><a href="https://pfl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technik" title="Wikipedia:Technik – Palatine German" lang="pfl" hreflang="pfl" data-title="Wikipedia:Technik" data-language-autonym="Pälzisch" data-language-local-name="Palatine German" class="interlanguage-link-target">Pälzisch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pl mw-list-item"><a href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Kwestie_techniczne" title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Kwestie techniczne – Polish" lang="pl" hreflang="pl" data-title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Kwestie techniczne" data-language-autonym="Polski" data-language-local-name="Polish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Polski</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ps mw-list-item"><a href="https://ps.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%DA%A9%D9%8A%D9%BE%DB%90%DA%89%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A8%D9%86%DA%89%D8%A7%D8%B1%DA%81%D8%A7%DB%8C/%D8%AA%D8%AE%D9%86%D9%8A%DA%A9" title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای/تخنيک – Pashto" lang="ps" hreflang="ps" data-title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای/تخنيک" data-language-autonym="پښتو" data-language-local-name="Pashto" class="interlanguage-link-target">پښتو</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pt mw-list-item"><a href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Caf%C3%A9_dos_programadores" title="Wikipédia:Café dos programadores – Portuguese" lang="pt" hreflang="pt" data-title="Wikipédia:Café dos programadores" data-language-autonym="Português" data-language-local-name="Portuguese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Português</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-rm mw-list-item"><a href="https://rm.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Novitads_da_tecnica" title="Wikipedia:Novitads da tecnica – Romansh" lang="rm" hreflang="rm" data-title="Wikipedia:Novitads da tecnica" data-language-autonym="Rumantsch" data-language-local-name="Romansh" class="interlanguage-link-target">Rumantsch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ru mw-list-item"><a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9" title="Википедия:Форум/Технический – Russian" lang="ru" hreflang="ru" data-title="Википедия:Форум/Технический" data-language-autonym="Русский" data-language-local-name="Russian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Русский</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sa mw-list-item"><a href="https://sa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE" title="विकिपीडिया:तन्त्रांशसभा – Sanskrit" lang="sa" hreflang="sa" data-title="विकिपीडिया:तन्त्रांशसभा" data-language-autonym="संस्कृतम्" data-language-local-name="Sanskrit" class="interlanguage-link-target">संस्कृतम्</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sah mw-list-item"><a href="https://sah.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%8D%D0%B4%D1%8C%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%8D:%D0%9A%D1%8D%D0%BF%D1%81%D1%8D%D1%82%D1%8D%D1%80_%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%80/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%8D%D0%B9" title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Техническэй – Yakut" lang="sah" hreflang="sah" data-title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Техническэй" data-language-autonym="Саха тыла" data-language-local-name="Yakut" class="interlanguage-link-target">Саха тыла</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-scn mw-list-item"><a href="https://scn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Malfunziunamenti" title="Wikipedia:Malfunziunamenti – Sicilian" lang="scn" hreflang="scn" data-title="Wikipedia:Malfunziunamenti" data-language-autonym="Sicilianu" data-language-local-name="Sicilian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Sicilianu</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sd mw-list-item"><a href="https://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%B5%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AD_%D9%85%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88/%D9%BD%D9%8A%DA%AA%D9%86%D9%8A%DA%AA%D9%84" title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو/ٽيڪنيڪل – Sindhi" lang="sd" hreflang="sd" data-title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو/ٽيڪنيڪل" data-language-autonym="سنڌي" data-language-local-name="Sindhi" class="interlanguage-link-target">سنڌي</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-se mw-list-item"><a href="https://se.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teknihkka" title="Wikipedia:Teknihkka – Northern Sami" lang="se" hreflang="se" data-title="Wikipedia:Teknihkka" data-language-autonym="Davvisámegiella" data-language-local-name="Northern Sami" class="interlanguage-link-target">Davvisámegiella</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sh mw-list-item"><a href="https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Pijaca/Tehni%C4%8Dka_pitanja" title="Wikipedija:Pijaca/Tehnička pitanja – Serbo-Croatian" lang="sh" hreflang="sh" data-title="Wikipedija:Pijaca/Tehnička pitanja" data-language-autonym="Srpskohrvatski / српскохрватски" data-language-local-name="Serbo-Croatian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Srpskohrvatski / српскохрватски</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-shn mw-list-item"><a href="https://shn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%82%87%E1%81%B6%E1%80%AE%E1%82%87%E1%81%BD%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%90%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%82%83%E1%80%B8:%E1%80%9C%E1%81%A2%E1%81%BC%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89%E1%81%BC%E1%80%99%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89%E1%81%BC%E1%80%B5%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%82%88_(%E1%80%95%E1%81%A2%E1%82%86%E1%80%B8%E1%80%91%E1%82%85%E1%81%B5%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89)" title="ဝီႇၶီႇၽီးတီးယႃး:လၢၼ်ႉၼမ်ႉၼဵင်ႈ (ပၢႆးထႅၵ်ႉ) – Shan" lang="shn" hreflang="shn" data-title="ဝီႇၶီႇၽီးတီးယႃး:လၢၼ်ႉၼမ်ႉၼဵင်ႈ (ပၢႆးထႅၵ်ႉ)" data-language-autonym="ၽႃႇသႃႇတႆး " data-language-local-name="Shan" class="interlanguage-link-target">ၽႃႇသႃႇတႆး </a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-si mw-list-item"><a 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title="Wikipedia:Goob/Farsamo – Somali" lang="so" hreflang="so" data-title="Wikipedia:Goob/Farsamo" data-language-autonym="Soomaaliga" data-language-local-name="Somali" class="interlanguage-link-target">Soomaaliga</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sq mw-list-item"><a href="https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hap%C3%ABsira_teknike" title="Wikipedia:Hapësira teknike – Albanian" lang="sq" hreflang="sq" data-title="Wikipedia:Hapësira teknike" data-language-autonym="Shqip" data-language-local-name="Albanian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Shqip</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sr mw-list-item"><a href="https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B3/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0" title="Википедија:Трг/Техника – Serbian" lang="sr" hreflang="sr" data-title="Википедија:Трг/Техника" data-language-autonym="Српски / srpski" data-language-local-name="Serbian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Српски / srpski</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-su mw-list-item"><a href="https://su.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sawala_(t%C3%A9knis)" title="Wikipedia:Sawala (téknis) – Sundanese" lang="su" hreflang="su" data-title="Wikipedia:Sawala (téknis)" data-language-autonym="Sunda" data-language-local-name="Sundanese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Sunda</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-szl mw-list-item"><a href="https://szl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Tech%C5%84iczne_kwestyje" title="Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Techńiczne kwestyje – Silesian" lang="szl" hreflang="szl" data-title="Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Techńiczne kwestyje" data-language-autonym="Ślůnski" data-language-local-name="Silesian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ślůnski</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ta mw-list-item"><a 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hreflang="te" data-title="వికీపీడియా:రచ్చబండ (సాంకేతికము)" data-language-autonym="తెలుగు" data-language-local-name="Telugu" class="interlanguage-link-target">తెలుగు</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tg mw-list-item"><a href="https://tg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B0:%D2%9A%D0%B0%D2%B3%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D3%A3" title="Википедиа:Қаҳвахона/Фаннӣ – Tajik" lang="tg" hreflang="tg" data-title="Википедиа:Қаҳвахона/Фаннӣ" data-language-autonym="Тоҷикӣ" data-language-local-name="Tajik" class="interlanguage-link-target">Тоҷикӣ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tr mw-list-item"><a href="https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:K%C3%B6y_%C3%A7e%C5%9Fmesi_(teknik)" title="Vikipedi:Köy çeşmesi (teknik) – Turkish" lang="tr" hreflang="tr" data-title="Vikipedi:Köy çeşmesi (teknik)" data-language-autonym="Türkçe" data-language-local-name="Turkish" 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