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Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a>, editors may use {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_template-protected" title="Template:Edit template-protected">edit template-protected</a>}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's <b><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_surname/doc" title="Template:R from surname/doc">documentation</a></b> to add usage notes or <a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">categories</a>. <p>Any contributor may edit the template's <b><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_surname/sandbox" title="Template:R from surname/sandbox">sandbox</a></b>. This template does not have a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_sandbox_and_test_cases" title="Wikipedia:Template sandbox and test cases">testcases</a> subpage. You can create the testcases subpage <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_from_surname/testcases&action=edit&preload=Template:Documentation/preload-testcases&summary=Create+%5B%5BWP%3ATESTCASES%7Ctest+cases%5D%5D+for+%5B%5BTemplate%3AR+from+surname%5D%5D">here</a>. </p> <div style="padding:0.5em"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1127644699">.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox .commentboxInput,.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox br{display:none}</style> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="commentbox" class="commentbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/w/index.php" method="get" id="request_edit_inputbox"><input type="hidden" value="edit" name="action"/><input type="hidden" value="Template:Request edit button/preload" name="preload"/><input type="hidden" value="Edit template-protected" name="preloadparams[]"/><div class="cdx-text-input"><input type="hidden" name="preloadtitle" class="mw-inputbox-input commentboxInput cdx-text-input__input" value="Edit request {{subst:#time:j F Y}}" placeholder="" size="50" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="new" name="section"/><input type="hidden" value="Template talk:R from surname" name="title"/><br/><input type="submit" name="create" value="Request edit" class="cdx-button cdx-button--action-progressive cdx-button--weight-primary"/></form></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category_Surnames" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category_Surnames-2007-11-24T13:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category_Surnames-2007-11-24T13:02:00.000Z"></span>Category Surnames<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category_Surnames-2007-11-24T13:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_surname&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Category Surnames"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-24T13:02:00.000Z-Category_Surnames"></span>I will momentarily add <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a> to this template so that this category is expanded by the surname set represented by use of this redirect template. If you have objections and would like to discuss this change, please revert my change and initiate a discussion here. Regards. --User:Ceyockey (<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ceyockey" title="User talk:Ceyockey">talk to me</a></i></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Ceyockey-2007-11-24T13:02:00.000Z-Category_Surnames" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-24T13:02:00.000Z-Category_Surnames"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-24T13:02:00.000Z-Category_Surnames"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-26T00:16:00.000Z-Ceyockey-2007-11-24T13:02:00.000Z"></span>This change has been undone after discussion with <a href="/wiki/User:Brewcrewer" title="User:Brewcrewer">User:Brewcrewer</a> who is working hard on sub-categorizing surnames. --User:Ceyockey (<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ceyockey" title="User talk:Ceyockey">talk to me</a></i></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Ceyockey-2007-11-26T00:16:00.000Z-Ceyockey-2007-11-24T13:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-26T00:16:00.000Z-Ceyockey-2007-11-24T13:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-26T00:16:00.000Z-Ceyockey-2007-11-24T13:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Using_the_template_to_assist_sub-categorization" data-mw-thread-id="h-Using_the_template_to_assist_sub-categorization-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Using_the_template_to_assist_sub-categorization-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z"></span>Using the template to assist sub-categorization<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Using_the_template_to_assist_sub-categorization-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_surname&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Using the template to assist sub-categorization"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z-Using_the_template_to_assist_sub-categorization"></span>One could add a parameter to the template like "ori" or "lang" (for "origin" and "language" respectively) that would auto-sub-categorize surnames to particular categories. </p> <pre>Present form: {{surname}} => <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a> Future form: {{surname|ori=African}} => <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:African_surnames&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:African surnames (page does not exist)">Category:African surnames</a> </pre> <p>The best way to implement might be to allow any value for the "ori" parameter and include available term-category mappings in the documentation. If a term is used for the parameter that is not recognized, the categorization would default to <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a>; but if a new category were created with a new term-category mapping that is used as a parameter value, the category would autopopulate. For instance, if "ori=Burmese" does not have a corresponding <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Burmese_surnames&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Burmese surnames (page does not exist)">Category:Burmese surnames</a>, a tagged surname would end up in <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a>, but when <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Burmese_surnames&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Burmese surnames (page does not exist)">Category:Burmese surnames</a> is created, it would autopopulate with the so-tagged surnames. </p><p>I'm only a brown-belt at template-smithing, so if this is a direction that would be desirable to go, I'll need some time to learn some of the subtler syntax of templates. </p><p>--User:Ceyockey (<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ceyockey" title="User talk:Ceyockey">talk to me</a></i></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Ceyockey-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z-Using_the_template_to_assist_sub-categorization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z-Using_the_template_to_assist_sub-categorization"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z-Using_the_template_to_assist_sub-categorization"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Issue_regarding_subcategory_class_labels" data-mw-thread-id="h-Issue_regarding_subcategory_class_labels-Using_the_template_to_assist_sub-categorization-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Issue_regarding_subcategory_class_labels-Using_the_template_to_assist_sub-categorization-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z"></span>Issue regarding subcategory class labels<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Issue_regarding_subcategory_class_labels-Using_the_template_to_assist_sub-categorization-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_surname&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Issue regarding subcategory class labels"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z-Issue_regarding_subcategory_class_labels"></span>I'm not sure how labels like "Japanese surname", "African surname" and "Czech surname" would be equally well handled by a common parameter. For instance, using "national origin" would not be good for African or Czech (the first is a continent, the second a former nation, Czechoslovakia). One could go with "geographical origin" - that might work across the board. "Ethnic origin" would be problematic - that would work for Japanese, but not for African (tremendous variety of ethnicities) and maybe not for Czech (not familiar enough with European ethnography to say). --User:Ceyockey (<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ceyockey" title="User talk:Ceyockey">talk to me</a></i></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Ceyockey-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z-Issue_regarding_subcategory_class_labels" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z-Issue_regarding_subcategory_class_labels"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ceyockey-2007-11-25T22:45:00.000Z-Issue_regarding_subcategory_class_labels"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Editprotected_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Editprotected_request-2009-04-19T21:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Editprotected_request-2009-04-19T21:56:00.000Z"></span>Editprotected request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Editprotected_request-2009-04-19T21:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_surname&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Editprotected request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><code><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OlEnglish-2009-04-19T21:56:00.000Z-Editprotected_request"></span>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Editprotected" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editprotected">editprotected</a>}}</code> Wish to add the following text: </p> <blockquote> <div><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="See_also">See also</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_surname&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: See also"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_sort_name" title="Template:R from sort name">Template:R from sort name</a></li></ul> </blockquote> <p>-- <b><a href="/wiki/User:OlEnglish" title="User:OlEnglish">OlEnglish</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OlEnglish" title="User talk:OlEnglish">Talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-OlEnglish-2009-04-19T21:56:00.000Z-Editprotected_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OlEnglish-2009-04-19T21:56:00.000Z-Editprotected_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OlEnglish-2009-04-19T21:56:00.000Z-Editprotected_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2009-04-19T22:10:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2009-04-19T21:56:00.000Z"></span>I've put in a doc subpage so you can edit this yourself. Regards, — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-MSGJ-2009-04-19T22:10:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2009-04-19T21:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 19 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2009-04-19T22:10:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2009-04-19T21:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2009-04-19T22:10:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2009-04-19T21:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Surnames" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Surnames-2009-06-29T15:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Surnames-2009-06-29T15:26:00.000Z"></span>Category:Surnames<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Surnames-2009-06-29T15:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_surname&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Category:Surnames"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><code><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-William_Allen_Simpson-2009-06-29T15:26:00.000Z-Category:Surnames"></span>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Editprotected" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editprotected">editprotected</a>}}</code> Folks have been adding the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Surname" title="Template:Surname">surname</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template after this template, or adding the category directly. Please restore the former use of this category, so that redirects will be found by folks looking in the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Allincluded" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Allincluded">allincluded</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> Surnames category for similar names. </p><p>After existing category: </p> <pre>[[Category:Redirects from surnames<noinclude>| </noinclude>]] [[Category:Surnames<noinclude>| R from surname</noinclude>]] </pre> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:William_Allen_Simpson" title="User:William Allen Simpson">William Allen Simpson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:William_Allen_Simpson" title="User talk:William Allen Simpson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-William_Allen_Simpson-2009-06-29T15:26:00.000Z-Category:Surnames" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-William_Allen_Simpson-2009-06-29T15:26:00.000Z-Category:Surnames"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-William_Allen_Simpson-2009-06-29T15:26:00.000Z-Category:Surnames"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2009-07-01T08:22:00.000Z-William_Allen_Simpson-2009-06-29T15:26:00.000Z"></span>Well, there was no opposition to this suggestion so I have implemented it as requested. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-MSGJ-2009-07-01T08:22:00.000Z-William_Allen_Simpson-2009-06-29T15:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2009-07-01T08:22:00.000Z-William_Allen_Simpson-2009-06-29T15:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2009-07-01T08:22:00.000Z-William_Allen_Simpson-2009-06-29T15:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mclay1-2010-08-28T15:57:00.000Z-MSGJ-2009-07-01T08:22:00.000Z"></span>But there are often already articles on the surnames themselves or disambiguation pages for people with the surname. I don't think <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a> should be added to the redirects. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Mclay1" title="User:Mclay1"><span style="color:red;">McLerristarr</span></a> / <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mclay1" title="User talk:Mclay1"><span style="color:blue;">Mclay1</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Mclay1-2010-08-28T15:57:00.000Z-MSGJ-2009-07-01T08:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mclay1-2010-08-28T15:57:00.000Z-MSGJ-2009-07-01T08:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mclay1-2010-08-28T15:57:00.000Z-MSGJ-2009-07-01T08:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OlEnglish-2010-09-03T15:28:00.000Z-Mclay1-2010-08-28T15:57:00.000Z"></span>I think all that's necessary to do is to just add <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_surnames" title="Category:Redirects from surnames">Category:Redirects from surnames</a> as a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:OlEnglish" title="User:OlEnglish"><span style="font-size:x-large;">œ</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:OlEnglish" title="User talk:OlEnglish"><sup>™</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-OlEnglish-2010-09-03T15:28:00.000Z-Mclay1-2010-08-28T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OlEnglish-2010-09-03T15:28:00.000Z-Mclay1-2010-08-28T15:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OlEnglish-2010-09-03T15:28:00.000Z-Mclay1-2010-08-28T15:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Redirects" data-mw-thread-id="h-Redirects-2013-06-28T19:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Redirects-2013-06-28T19:29:00.000Z"></span>Redirects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Redirects-2013-06-28T19:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_surname&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Redirects"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-06-28T19:29:00.000Z-Redirects"></span>Two points: </p> <ul><li>All that are needed are one or two shortcuts unless more <i>existing</i> shortcuts are found. The procedure is, if one wants to include new shortcuts, they should first be created and <i>only then</i> they are added to the documentation page. Otherwise, they will show as <span style="color: red;"><b>red links</b></span> and may confuse other contributors.</li> <li>There are good reasons to show <i>all</i> existing redirects in the <b>Redirects</b> section. They are then available for use by anyone who may want to use them. Also, if an administrator does not want so many redirects and wants to delete some of them, they have a list to use for that work. – <i><b><small><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span></a></small></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;"><i>C<small>LIMAX</small>!</i></b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-06-28T19:29:00.000Z-Redirects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-06-28T19:29:00.000Z-Redirects"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-06-28T19:29:00.000Z-Redirects"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Surnames_override" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Surnames_override-2013-10-24T04:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Surnames_override-2013-10-24T04:55:00.000Z"></span>Category:Surnames override<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Surnames_override-2013-10-24T04:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_surname&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Category:Surnames override"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2013-10-24T04:55:00.000Z-Category:Surnames_override"></span>This template adds pages it's used on to <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a>, could we add a parameter or second template to override that. That category may be a good thing in the vast majority of cases (I have no opinion), but there are exceptions. For example this category is on both <a href="/wiki/Obama" class="mw-redirect" title="Obama">Obama</a> (a redirect) and <a href="/wiki/Obama_(surname)" title="Obama (surname)">Obama (surname)</a> (a page about the surname), and it should probably only be on the surname page. <a href="/wiki/User:Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman" title="User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman">Emmette Hernandez Coleman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman" title="User talk:Emmette Hernandez Coleman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2013-10-24T04:55:00.000Z-Category:Surnames_override" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2013-10-24T04:55:00.000Z-Category:Surnames_override"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2013-10-24T04:55:00.000Z-Category:Surnames_override"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T02:24:00.000Z-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2013-10-24T04:55:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gold_check_mark.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/18px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/27px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/36px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span><b> Partly done</b> – <a href="/wiki/User:Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman" title="User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman">read below</a> – <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;"><i>C<small>LIMAX</small>!</i></b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T02:24:00.000Z-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2013-10-24T04:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T02:24:00.000Z-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2013-10-24T04:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T02:24:00.000Z-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2013-10-24T04:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T12:57:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T02:24:00.000Z"></span>Can you undo this? <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_surnames" title="Category:Redirects from surnames">Category:Redirects from surnames</a> is a hidden category. Excluding thousands of redirects from <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a> because of a single instance of doubling up is not something I agree with. —<a href="/wiki/User:Xezbeth" title="User:Xezbeth">Xezbeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xezbeth" title="User talk:Xezbeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T12:57:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T02:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T12:57:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T02:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T12:57:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T02:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T16:37:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T12:57:00.000Z"></span>The reason this was done was because <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_surnames" title="Category:Redirects from surnames">Category:Redirects from surnames</a> is a subcat of <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a>. I will happily self-revert if you can justify why thousands of entries in a subcat should also populate (over populate?) the parent cat at the very same time they populate its subcat. What's the sense of that? Why do you feel that thousands of redirects must populate both a subcat and its parent cat? – <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;"><i>C<small>LIMAX</small>!</i></b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T16:37:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T12:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T16:37:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T12:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T16:37:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T12:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T16:37:00.000Z"></span>Because <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_surnames" title="Category:Redirects from surnames">Category:Redirects from surnames</a> is a hidden administration category. Per the description "Do not include this category in content categories", it shouldn't be in <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a>, which is part of the encyclopedia. Suppressing <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a> on a redirect like <a href="/wiki/Obama" class="mw-redirect" title="Obama">Obama</a> makes sense, but removing it on every single surname redirect just because of that is overkill. In addition, while I'm not sure if it's the done thing elsewhere, <a href="/wiki/Category:Surnames" title="Category:Surnames">Category:Surnames</a> currently has a template that says "For convenience, all surnames are included in this category. This includes all surnames that can also be found in the subcategories." I've been using it for my own convenience since 2012, and having to monitor a separate category for redirects is going to be annoying. —<a href="/wiki/User:Xezbeth" title="User:Xezbeth">Xezbeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xezbeth" title="User talk:Xezbeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T16:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T16:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-13T16:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T00:34:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z"></span>You have made a good case for a revert. If there were a way to suppress it on redirects as you described above, would that be useful to you? Would you use it? – <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;"><i>C<small>LIMAX</small>!</i></b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T00:34:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 14 May 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T00:34:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T00:34:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xezbeth-2014-05-14T05:33:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z"></span>The suppression has been added by using "nocat" in the 1st parameter as in: <ul><li><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_surname" title="Template:R from surname">R from surname</a>|nocat}}</code>.</li></ul></dd> <dd>The same has been done for <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_given_name" title="Template:R from given name">R from given name</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, as well. – <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine </span></a></b></i></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Thank you, and I'll definitely use nocat in future, mainly when there's a primary topic for a surname in addition to a separate surname article. —<a href="/wiki/User:Xezbeth" title="User:Xezbeth">Xezbeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xezbeth" title="User talk:Xezbeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Xezbeth-2014-05-14T05:33:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xezbeth-2014-05-14T05:33:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xezbeth-2014-05-14T05:33:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-13T18:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T13:47:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-14T05:33:00.000Z"></span>YW! and check out the <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Obama&redirect=no">Obama</a></span> redirect, which shows the workings of the nocat param. – <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;"><i>C<small>LIMAX</small>!</i></b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T13:47:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-14T05:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T13:47:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-14T05:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T13:47:00.000Z-Xezbeth-2014-05-14T05:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T13:47:00.000Z"></span> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=R+from+surname&title=Special:Search&go=Go&searchToken=3kl9nl3x6h529n8px6p4o9rc8">There are still something like 36k pages</a> listed in this Cat. I'm not clear whether that's <dl><dd>bcz not enuf editors, to keep up with the misuses of the template, give a damn, or</dd> <dd>bcz the instances that are left are all appropriate. Could we have the status clarified,</dd></dl></dd> <dd>so we know whether it might be worth investing the energy of working out a <a href="/wiki/Kludge" title="Kludge">kluge</a> that could be a long-term solution?<br/>--<a href="/wiki/User:Jerzy" title="User:Jerzy">Jerzy</a>•<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerzy" title="User talk:Jerzy">t</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T13:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T13:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2014-05-14T13:47:00.000Z"></span><br/> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><small style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-13T13:19:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z"></span>To</small> editor <a href="/wiki/User:Jerzy" title="User:Jerzy">Jerzy</a>:</span> Is there any specific reason why you think this is a problem that needs a solution? I'll go ahead and ping <a href="/wiki/User:Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman" title="User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman">Emmette Hernandez Coleman</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Xezbeth" title="User:Xezbeth">Xezbeth</a> to see if they would like to comment, since they know much more about the surnames category than I do. <i><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</span></a></b></i> <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>u</sup></a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paine_Ellsworth" title="Special:Contributions/Paine Ellsworth"><small>c</small></a> <small><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-13T13:19:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-13T13:19:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-13T13:19:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xezbeth-2016-09-13T13:58:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-13T13:19:00.000Z"></span>There's only 15,000 redirects in the category. There are hardly any primary topic surname redirects that also have a corresponding surname article, so as far as I'm concerned there isn't a problem that needs solving. —<a href="/wiki/User:Xezbeth" title="User:Xezbeth">Xezbeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xezbeth" title="User talk:Xezbeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Xezbeth-2016-09-13T13:58:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-13T13:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xezbeth-2016-09-13T13:58:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-13T13:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xezbeth-2016-09-13T13:58:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-13T13:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerzy-2016-09-14T03:32:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z"></span> Nope, that was the full dump: I inferred from the <i>existence</i> of the template that pages carrying it are problematic in some way (which i am otherwise quite happy to remain unaware of), that could be alleviated by having the template draw <i>someone's</i> attention to them. Perhaps the template should be enhanced to say something like "As of September 2016, the remaining pages bearing it have been deemed sufficiently low in harm that diversion of resources to eliminating the condition (the one the templates are triggered by) would currently be more harmful than ignoring the currently known instances." Or something simpler, written by someone who <i>knows</i> why creation of the template was desirable.<br/>--<a href="/wiki/User:Jerzy" title="User:Jerzy">Jerzy</a>•<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerzy" title="User talk:Jerzy">t</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Jerzy-2016-09-14T03:32:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:32, 14 September 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerzy-2016-09-14T03:32:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerzy-2016-09-14T03:32:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-08-24T05:01:00.000Z"></span><br/> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-14T04:50:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-09-14T03:32:00.000Z"></span>You seem to be assuming that all of these rcats and their tracking categories are here to capture bad/problematic redirects, and in some cases this is true. Rcats that capture <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CNR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CNR">CNRs</a> and those many mainspace rcats that, under certain conditions, will populate <a href="/wiki/CAT:WRONG" class="mw-redirect" title="CAT:WRONG">CAT:WRONG</a> place redirects into categories that can be monitored and used by editors to fix the redirects. However the vast majority of rcats and redirect categories allow tracking just to keep track of the redirects, not because there is any specific problem. How would one go in and "fix" the redirects that populate <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_moves" title="Category:Redirects from moves">Category:Redirects from moves</a> or <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_merges" title="Category:Redirects from merges">Category:Redirects from merges</a>? There's nothing really wrong with those redirects, they just need to be tracked and monitored. Sometimes it's the quantity of redirects in a category that is tracked, and so on. That is why I asked you to be more specific, because just to assume that these templates always capture redirects that are problematic in some way isn't always a correct assumption, which may be the case with this rcat, <i>R from surname</i>. There is nothing problematic about most of the redirects on Wikipedia, and tracking them is a job for a community of staggering proportion, which is thankfully what Wikipedia is. <i><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</span></a></b></i> <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>u</sup></a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paine_Ellsworth" title="Special:Contributions/Paine Ellsworth"><small>c</small></a> <small><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-14T04:50:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-09-14T03:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 14 September 2016 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-14T04:50:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-09-14T03:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-14T04:50:00.000Z-Jerzy-2016-09-14T03:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jerzy-2016-09-16T11:20:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-14T04:50:00.000Z"></span> Ah, i think i get it! I prolly looked at the <i>markup</i> on the page i'd edited, then the places-used count, never saw the template text, and didn't care to dive into whatever presumably obscure situtation would make editors put Rdrs at so many surname pages. Ironically, my memory was not quite sharp enuf to imagine (without both colleagues' patience, and 2 days' subconscious mulling) why thousands of Rdrs from surnames should exist, tho i would like to have: only now do i recall the Rdr from <a href="/wiki/Greenberg" title="Greenberg">Greenberg</a> to, IIRC, a toy manufacturer (rather than to <a href="/wiki/Joseph_Greenberg" title="Joseph Greenberg">Joseph Greenberg</a>, American linguist!) back around 2003/4. (IIRC, the Rdr had been created by, uh, an obscure <a href="/wiki/Georgia_(country)" title="Georgia (country)">Georgian</a> linguist who claimed apparent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">OR</a> as evidence that <a href="/wiki/Basque_(language)" class="mw-redirect" title="Basque (language)">Basque</a> was a close relative of <a href="/wiki/Georgian" class="mw-disambig" title="Georgian">Georgian</a>, presumably against Greenberg's increasingly persuasive evidence that almost everything in Europe, and in South and West Asia, belongs in a <s><a href="/w/index.php?title=Nostratian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Nostratian (page does not exist)">Nostratian</a></s> <a href="/wiki/Nostratic" class="mw-redirect" title="Nostratic">Nostratic</a> super-family that includes the <a href="/wiki/Ural-Altaic" class="mw-redirect" title="Ural-Altaic">Ural-Altaic</a> and <a href="/wiki/Indo-European" class="mw-redirect" title="Indo-European">Indo-European</a> families.) With a little luck, telling you this will help make it a <a href="/wiki/Lessons_learned" title="Lessons learned">lesson-learned</a> for me, to look at the Rdr's wiki-source.)<br/>--<a href="/wiki/User:Jerzy" title="User:Jerzy">Jerzy</a>•<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jerzy" title="User talk:Jerzy">t</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_surname#c-Jerzy-2016-09-16T11:20:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-14T04:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 16 September 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jerzy-2016-09-16T11:20:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-14T04:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jerzy-2016-09-16T11:20:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-09-14T04:50:00.000Z"></span><br/></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_25_July_2019" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_25_July_2019-2019-07-25T06:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_25_July_2019-2019-07-25T06:30:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request on 25 July 2019<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_25_July_2019-2019-07-25T06:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_surname&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Template-protected edit request on 25 July 2019"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geolodus-2019-07-25T06:30:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_25_July_2019"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. 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