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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Greece" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Greece">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Greece</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Greece</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Greek articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-mid"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Greek_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Greek articles">Mid</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Mid-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Greece/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256394742"><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg/16px-Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg/25px-Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg/33px-Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="251" data-file-height="383"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albania" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Albania">Albania</a> <span class="wpb-header-bubbles import-mid">Mid‑importance</span></td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg/60px-Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg.png" decoding="async" width="60" height="92" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg/90px-Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg/120px-Coat_of_arms_of_Albania.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="251" data-file-height="383"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><i><b>Greeks in Albania</b></i> is part of the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albania" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Albania">WikiProject Albania</a></b>, an attempt to co-ordinate articles relating to <b><a href="/wiki/Albania" title="Albania">Albania</a></b> on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albania" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Albania">project page</a>, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albania" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albania">discussion</a>. If you are new to editing Wikipedia visit the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Introduction">welcome page</a> so as to become familiar with the guidelines. If you would like to participate, please join the project and help with our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albania/To_Do_List" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Albania/To Do List">open tasks</a>.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Albania</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Albania</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Albania</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Albania articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-mid"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Albania_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Albania articles">Mid</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Mid-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albania/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Albania/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256394742"><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png/14px-Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png" decoding="async" width="14" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png/21px-Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png/28px-Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png 2x" data-file-width="800" data-file-height="1404"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups">Ethnic groups</a> </td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png/50px-Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="88" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png/75px-Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png/100px-Zuni-girl-with-jar2.png 2x" data-file-width="800" data-file-height="1404"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This article is within the scope of <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups">WikiProject Ethnic groups</a></b>, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles relating to <a href="/wiki/Ethnic_group" class="mw-redirect" title="Ethnic group">ethnic groups</a>, nationalities, and other cultural identities on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Ethnic groups</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Ethnic groups</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Ethnic groups articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-unknown"><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Ethnic_groups_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance Ethnic groups articles">???</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has not yet received a rating on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr><tr><td colspan="3" style="padding:0"><table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="background:transparent;width:100%"><tbody><tr><th style="text-align:left;padding:0.2em 2px 0.2em 0">WikiProject Ethnic groups open tasks:</th></tr><tr><td style="text-align:left;padding:5px;background-color:white;border:1px solid #c0c090;margin-top:5px"> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Clipboard.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Clipboard.svg/35px-Clipboard.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="35" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Clipboard.svg/53px-Clipboard.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Clipboard.svg/70px-Clipboard.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> Here are some open <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups">WikiProject Ethnic groups</a> tasks: </p> <ul><li>Meta-tasks: <ul><li>Place the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ethnic_groups" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ethnic groups">Ethnic groups</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template <b>on the talk page</b> of articles within the scope of this project.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups/Archive_11#How_does_Wikipedia_rate_the_.22importance.22_of_an_ethnic_group.3F" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Archive 11">Resolve the disparity in importance rankings among different ethnic groups</a></li></ul></li> <li>Articles about ethnic groups that currently have issues needing resolution: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_Ethnic_groups_articles" title="Category:Unassessed Ethnic groups articles">Category:Unassessed Ethnic groups articles</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Ethnic_groups_articles_needing_merge_action" title="Category:Ethnic groups articles needing merge action">Category:Ethnic groups articles needing merge action</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Ethnic_groups_articles_needing_infoboxes" title="Category:Ethnic groups articles needing infoboxes">Category:Ethnic groups articles needing infoboxes</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Ethnic_groups_articles_needing_reassessment" title="Category:Ethnic groups articles needing reassessment">Category:Ethnic groups articles needing reassessment</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Ethnic_groups_articles_needing_attention" title="Category:Ethnic groups articles needing attention">Category:Ethnic groups articles needing attention</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Iyer" title="Iyer">Iyer</a></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Peruvian_people" class="mw-redirect" title="Peruvian people">Peruvian people</a></b></li></ul></li> <li>Start an article: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups/Article_requests" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Article requests">Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Article requests</a></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Feel free to <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups_tasks" title="Template:WikiProject Ethnic groups tasks">edit this list</a> or <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups_tasks" title="Template talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups tasks">discuss these tasks</a>. </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256394742"><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Female_Face_Mask_(Gambanda),_early_1900s,_Central_Africa,_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo,_Pende_people,_wood,_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG/19px-Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG" decoding="async" width="19" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG/28px-Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG/37px-Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG 2x" data-file-width="3240" data-file-height="4320"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anthropology" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthropology">Anthropology</a><span class="wpb-nested-task-force">: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anthropology/Oral_tradition_taskforce" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthropology/Oral tradition taskforce">Oral tradition</a></span> </td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Female_Face_Mask_(Gambanda),_early_1900s,_Central_Africa,_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo,_Pende_people,_wood,_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG/80px-Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG" decoding="async" width="80" height="107" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG/120px-Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG/160px-Female_Face_Mask_%28Gambanda%29%2C_early_1900s%2C_Central_Africa%2C_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo%2C_Pende_people%2C_wood%2C_fiber_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08700.JPG 2x" data-file-width="3240" data-file-height="4320"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This article is within the scope of <b><a 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Sections older than <b>180 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:ClueBot_III" title="User:ClueBot III">ClueBot III</a></span> when more than 8 sections are present.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <p><span style="color: #FF0000;">You may</span> <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greeks_in_Albania&action=edit&section=0">want to increment</a></span> <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Archive_basics" title="Template:Archive basics">Archive basics</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> <span style="color: #FF0000;">to</span> <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|counter= 2</code><span style="color: #FF0000;"> as <a href="/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania/Archive_1" title="Talk:Greeks in Albania/Archive 1">Talk:Greeks in Albania/Archive 1</a> is larger than the recommended <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">150Kb</a>.</span> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Origins" data-mw-thread-id="h-Origins-20221215005800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Origins-20221215005800"></span>Origins<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Origins-20221215005800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greeks_in_Albania&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Origins"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FierakuiVërtet-20221215005800-Origins"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg">Khirurg</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Alexikoua" title="User:Alexikoua">Alexikoua</a> The disputed origin is not my claim, but a <a href="/wiki/Minority_Rights_Group_International" title="Minority Rights Group International">Minority Rights Group International</a> one. The source i provided "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://muse.jhu.edu/article/468236">Macedonia between Greek, Bulgarian, Albanian, and Serbian National Aspirations, 1870-1912</a>" acknowledges Greece's attempts of hellenization of southern Albania: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">He also resented Greek attempts to Hellenize and thus separate the Albanian Orthodox population from the rest of the Albanians and Albania in order for Greece to annex Toskëria.</q> Therefore the claim cannot be considered unfounded. <a href="/wiki/User:FierakuiV%C3%ABrtet" title="User:FierakuiVërtet">FierakuiVërtet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FierakuiV%C3%ABrtet" title="User talk:FierakuiVërtet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-FierakuiVërtet-20221215005800-Origins" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FierakuiVërtet-20221215005800-Origins"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FierakuiVërtet-20221215005800-Origins"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Khirurg-20221215011800-FierakuiVërtet-20221215005800"></span>That has nothing to do with what you are trying to add to the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg">Khirurg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Khirurg" title="User talk:Khirurg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Khirurg-20221215011800-FierakuiVërtet-20221215005800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:18, 15 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Khirurg-20221215011800-FierakuiVërtet-20221215005800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Khirurg-20221215011800-FierakuiVërtet-20221215005800"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexikoua-20221215034200-Khirurg-20221215011800"></span>We need to follow wp:RS and use wp:ACADEMIC and wp:SECONDARY to back our claims. Minority Rights Group International isn't an academic institution.<a href="/wiki/User:Alexikoua" title="User:Alexikoua">Alexikoua</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexikoua" title="User talk:Alexikoua">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Alexikoua-20221215034200-Khirurg-20221215011800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexikoua-20221215034200-Khirurg-20221215011800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexikoua-20221215034200-Khirurg-20221215011800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FierakuiVërtet-20221215205100-Alexikoua-20221215034200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Alexikoua" title="User:Alexikoua">Alexikoua</a> It doesn't have to be academic to be reliable. Anyway you could look this other two up: <ol><li><i>Miranda Vickers, Balkans Series The Greek Minority in Albania – Current Tensions</i><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/111787/2010_01_$Balkan%20Series%200110%20WEB.pdf">[1]</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">As with the population statistics, the origin of the Greek minority in Albania is bitterly disputed. During five centuries of Ottoman rule, there was no official distinction between Albania and Epirus. Although Greek historiography claims that ethnic Greeks settled in what is now southern Albania during the pre-Christian period, Albanian historians argue that southern Albania was largely inhabited by Illyrians and that during the 18th century, whilst under the effective control of Albanian feudal lords, a major influx of Greeks settled in the present day Gjirokaster district of southern Albania to work as agricultural labourers. Ottoman sources and accounts by English travellers suggest that during the early 19th century the Drin Valley was largely Albanian. The district of Himara, however, on the southern coast, appears to have always have had a Greek population. In the latter period of Ottoman rule, Himara enjoyed a considerable measure of practical independence from central authority</q></li> <li>(for an ONG) <i>Hart Laurie Kain, "Northern Epiros": The Greek Minority in Southern Albania</i><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/northern-epiros-greek-minority-southern-albania">[2]</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Albanians argue that the present Greek minority is descended from poor sharecroppers who migrated in the nineteenth century to southern Albania to work for Albanian landowners. Greeks contend that the Greek population is indigenous, and that the elite - the educated, urban population - of Albania was always culturally Greek.</q></li></ol></dd> <dd>Even though the second one is written for an ONG, <i>Hart</i> Laurie Kain is an UCLA anthropologist. I even feel like you used some of his works in your past editing, if i'm not wrong. It seems clear that there is a dispute about Greeks of Albania origins. <a href="/wiki/User:FierakuiV%C3%ABrtet" title="User:FierakuiVërtet">FierakuiVërtet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FierakuiV%C3%ABrtet" title="User talk:FierakuiVërtet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-FierakuiVërtet-20221215205100-Alexikoua-20221215034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 15 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FierakuiVërtet-20221215205100-Alexikoua-20221215034200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FierakuiVërtet-20221215205100-Alexikoua-20221215034200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Khirurg-20221215222200-FierakuiVërtet-20221215205100"></span>The mere fact that you insist on an "Origins" section is itself indicative of a larger problem. Such sections are by their very nature POV-magnets because they attract nationalists trying to prove that their group was "there first". There is a History section, and nothing more is needed. The fringe POV that Greeks in Albania suddenly appeared in the region in the 19th century is well-known as a fringe nationalist theory attempting to delegitimize the Greek minority, and if you read your own sources, you will see that neither of them endorse it, they merely report it as "Albanians argue...". I have yet to see a serious scholar actually endorse this theory. <a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg">Khirurg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Khirurg" title="User talk:Khirurg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Khirurg-20221215222200-FierakuiVërtet-20221215205100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 15 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Khirurg-20221215222200-FierakuiVërtet-20221215205100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Khirurg-20221215222200-FierakuiVërtet-20221215205100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexikoua-20221216043500-Khirurg-20221215222200"></span>Those opinions are good additions for articles such as 'Albanian nationalism' as the authors (Hart, Vickers) state that they came from what certain Albanian groups believe and lack scholarly basis. <a href="/wiki/User:Alexikoua" title="User:Alexikoua">Alexikoua</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexikoua" title="User talk:Alexikoua">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Alexikoua-20221216043500-Khirurg-20221215222200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:35, 16 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexikoua-20221216043500-Khirurg-20221215222200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexikoua-20221216043500-Khirurg-20221215222200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FierakuiVërtet-20221216195000-Khirurg-20221215222200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg">Khirurg</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Alexikoua" title="User:Alexikoua">Alexikoua</a> They do not endorse it, but neither did they discredit it. Surely they did not brand it "Nationalist fringe theory". The sentences' structure is: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Greek historiography claims that [...] Albanian historian argue that [...].</q> and <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Albanians argue [...]. Greeks contend [...].</q> Even the Greeks' stance is merely reported in parallel to the Albanians' one. It doesn't have to be in an "Origin" section, but the information itself should be included. <a href="/wiki/User:FierakuiV%C3%ABrtet" title="User:FierakuiVërtet">FierakuiVërtet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FierakuiV%C3%ABrtet" title="User talk:FierakuiVërtet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-FierakuiVërtet-20221216195000-Khirurg-20221215222200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 16 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FierakuiVërtet-20221216195000-Khirurg-20221215222200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FierakuiVërtet-20221216195000-Khirurg-20221215222200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Khirurg-20221216214000-FierakuiVërtet-20221216195000"></span>It's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FRINGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FRINGE">WP:FRINGE</a> because it's not based on anything and not a single reputable historian endorses it. It's a classic example of <a href="/wiki/Nationalist_historiography" title="Nationalist historiography">nationalist historiography</a> and it's not going anywhere in the article, whether an "Origins" section or elsewhere. <a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg">Khirurg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Khirurg" title="User talk:Khirurg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Khirurg-20221216214000-FierakuiVërtet-20221216195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 16 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Khirurg-20221216214000-FierakuiVërtet-20221216195000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Khirurg-20221216214000-FierakuiVërtet-20221216195000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A02:908:1994:3F60:9396:20BC:2D48:3437-20241012175400-Khirurg-20221216214000"></span>And who decides who is a reputable historian or not? Where do you base your claims off that it is a nationalist historiography? Are we going to mention how greek wikipedia says Skanderbeg is of serbian origin even though it is not verified? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:908:1994:3F60:9396:20BC:2D48:3437" title="Special:Contributions/2A02:908:1994:3F60:9396:20BC:2D48:3437">2A02:908:1994:3F60:9396:20BC:2D48:3437</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A02:908:1994:3F60:9396:20BC:2D48:3437&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A02:908:1994:3F60:9396:20BC:2D48:3437 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-2A02:908:1994:3F60:9396:20BC:2D48:3437-20241012175400-Khirurg-20221216214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2A02:908:1994:3F60:9396:20BC:2D48:3437-20241012175400-Khirurg-20221216214000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2A02:908:1994:3F60:9396:20BC:2D48:3437-20241012175400-Khirurg-20221216214000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Updated" data-mw-thread-id="h-Updated-20230311182500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Updated-20230311182500"></span>Updated<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Updated-20230311182500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greeks_in_Albania&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Updated"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alltan-20230311182500-Updated"></span>The lead is used for updated figures, not for 20-year-old figures. I've reverted Khirurg.<a href="/wiki/User:Alltan" title="User:Alltan">Alltan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alltan" title="User talk:Alltan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Alltan-20230311182500-Updated" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alltan-20230311182500-Updated"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alltan-20230311182500-Updated"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Khirurg-20230311183100-Alltan-20230311182500"></span>The lede should present a balanced and complete summary of the article, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LEDE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LEDE">WP:LEDE</a>. There is no requirement that states that the lede should only present current figures. Hiding the fact that that most Greeks from Albania have received Greek citizenship is a disservice to readers. <a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg">Khirurg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Khirurg" title="User talk:Khirurg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Khirurg-20230311183100-Alltan-20230311182500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 11 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Khirurg-20230311183100-Alltan-20230311182500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Khirurg-20230311183100-Alltan-20230311182500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alltan-20230311184500-Khirurg-20230311183100"></span>How is this hidden? You can add it without mentioning old figures because these two facts are unconnected. If the lead mentions that "most Greeks from Albania have received Greek citizenship" then it should mention the fact that most Greeks from Albania actually live in Greece today. It's already a disservice to readers that this article tells them that "200,000 Greeks live in Albania and Greece". <a href="/wiki/User:Alltan" title="User:Alltan">Alltan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alltan" title="User talk:Alltan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Alltan-20230311184500-Khirurg-20230311183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 11 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alltan-20230311184500-Khirurg-20230311183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alltan-20230311184500-Khirurg-20230311183100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Khirurg-20230311185700-Alltan-20230311184500"></span>The lede does state that 80% have migrated to Greece, so I don't know what you're complaining about. Now where is the wikipedia policy that states that the lede should present an unbalanced picture and withhold information from readers? Hiding the fact that most of the 189,000 have received Greek citizenship is a disservice to readers. <a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg">Khirurg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Khirurg" title="User talk:Khirurg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Khirurg-20230311185700-Alltan-20230311184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 11 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Khirurg-20230311185700-Alltan-20230311184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Khirurg-20230311185700-Alltan-20230311184500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alltan-20230311190600-Khirurg-20230311185700"></span>The lead doesn't state anywhere that 80% have migrated to Greece. There are 13k people with special IDs. Why is it unbalanced to mention old figures in the article and not in the introduction?<a href="/wiki/User:Alltan" title="User:Alltan">Alltan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alltan" title="User talk:Alltan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Alltan-20230311190600-Khirurg-20230311185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alltan-20230311190600-Khirurg-20230311185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alltan-20230311190600-Khirurg-20230311185700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Khirurg-20230311191400-Alltan-20230311190600"></span>Because it presents an incomplete and unbalanced picture of the situation. There were 189,000 holders of these special IDs in 2001, 13,000 now, with the rest having received Greek citizenship in the meantime. <i>That</i> is the complete and balanced picture. The question is why you are so opposed to it to showing it to readers. <a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg">Khirurg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Khirurg" title="User talk:Khirurg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Khirurg-20230311191400-Alltan-20230311190600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 11 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Khirurg-20230311191400-Alltan-20230311190600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Khirurg-20230311191400-Alltan-20230311190600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alltan-20230311202600-Khirurg-20230311191400"></span>I don't understand what makes it unbalanced per se. The lead doesn't state that most Greeks from Albania live in Greece. If it did so, then it could say that most Greeks from Albania moved to Greece gradually and acquired special IDs and later Greek citizenship and about 13k remain today in Greece with special IDs.<a href="/wiki/User:Alltan" title="User:Alltan">Alltan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alltan" title="User talk:Alltan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Alltan-20230311202600-Khirurg-20230311191400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alltan-20230311202600-Khirurg-20230311191400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alltan-20230311202600-Khirurg-20230311191400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Khirurg-20230311204400-Alltan-20230311202600"></span>It's unbalanced because it omits to mention that the 189,000 holders of the special ID now number 13,000 because most of them received Greek citizenship. Surely you are aware of this. <a href="/wiki/User:Khirurg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Khirurg">Khirurg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Khirurg" title="User talk:Khirurg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Khirurg-20230311204400-Alltan-20230311202600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Khirurg-20230311204400-Alltan-20230311202600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Khirurg-20230311204400-Alltan-20230311202600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alltan-20230311223400-Khirurg-20230311204400"></span>I proposed that without mentioning specific older figures it can still be written that most Greeks from Albania moved to Greece gradually and acquired special IDs and later Greek citizenship while about 13k remain today in Greece with special IDs.<a href="/wiki/User:Alltan" title="User:Alltan">Alltan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alltan" title="User talk:Alltan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Alltan-20230311223400-Khirurg-20230311204400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 11 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alltan-20230311223400-Khirurg-20230311204400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alltan-20230311223400-Khirurg-20230311204400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Omonoia_census" data-mw-thread-id="h-Omonoia_census-20230311203100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Omonoia_census-20230311203100"></span>Omonoia census<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Omonoia_census-20230311203100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greeks_in_Albania&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Omonoia census"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alltan-20230311203100-Omonoia_census"></span>I moved a sentence to Diaspora#Greece because it's not even discussed in the article itself and there's no corroboration that any "census" was carried by this organization.<a href="/wiki/User:Alltan" title="User:Alltan">Alltan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alltan" title="User talk:Alltan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Alltan-20230311203100-Omonoia_census" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 11 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alltan-20230311203100-Omonoia_census"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alltan-20230311203100-Omonoia_census"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pettifer_and_update" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pettifer_and_update-20230313010900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pettifer_and_update-20230313010900"></span>Pettifer and update<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pettifer_and_update-20230313010900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greeks_in_Albania&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Pettifer and update"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maleschreiber-20230313010900-Pettifer_and_update"></span>Pettifer (2001): <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">At the same time, however, apart from a few prominent figures, it appears that many ethnic Greeks did not feel secure with their cultural identity as Greeks within the party, often adopting Albanian names and severing any remaining links with the Orthodox Church during the period in which it remained legal</q> was cited in the article as <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">During communist rule many Greek members of Albanian political parties didn't feel secure, and had to adopt Albanian names, as well as cut off their ties with the Eastern Orthodox Church.</q> Pettifer (2001) doesn't claim that Greek members of the Party of Labor had to adopt Albanian names but that they themselves felt insecure of their cultural identity and embraced another one which didn't have religious ties. These are two different subjects.</li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">According to Greek minority leaders, the existence of Greek communities outside the "minority zones" is even outright denied.</q> I removed this sentence because it doesn't correspond to reality of 2023 or 2008. There are Greek schools in Himara and elsewhere. The biggest school in Greek is in fact in the capital of Albania and Greeks could and did register themselves as Greeks everywhere in Albania. There is genuinely no limit to what any community can do. If the article focused more on how the Greek community is organized, such issues would be more apparent.--<a href="/wiki/User:Maleschreiber" title="User:Maleschreiber">Maleschreiber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maleschreiber" title="User talk:Maleschreiber">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Maleschreiber-20230313010900-Pettifer_and_update" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maleschreiber-20230313010900-Pettifer_and_update"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maleschreiber-20230313010900-Pettifer_and_update"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Identity_Cards_for_Co-Ethnics_now_uncommon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Identity_Cards_for_Co-Ethnics_now_uncommon-20230314094200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Identity_Cards_for_Co-Ethnics_now_uncommon-20230314094200"></span>Identity Cards for Co-Ethnics now uncommon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Identity_Cards_for_Co-Ethnics_now_uncommon-20230314094200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greeks_in_Albania&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Identity Cards for Co-Ethnics now uncommon"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-122.57.69.122-20230314094200-Identity_Cards_for_Co-Ethnics_now_uncommon"></span>Worthy to note that special identity cards for co-ethnics are less common nowadays due to citizenship being granted to Albanians. Since the 1990s and early 2000s when it was common, citizenship laws have changed making it easier to naturalise and live and work in Greece without special identification. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/122.57.69.122" title="Special:Contributions/122.57.69.122">122.57.69.122</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:122.57.69.122" title="User talk:122.57.69.122">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-122.57.69.122-20230314094200-Identity_Cards_for_Co-Ethnics_now_uncommon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-122.57.69.122-20230314094200-Identity_Cards_for_Co-Ethnics_now_uncommon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-122.57.69.122-20230314094200-Identity_Cards_for_Co-Ethnics_now_uncommon"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_contribution" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_contribution-20230318231300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_contribution-20230318231300"></span>My contribution<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_contribution-20230318231300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greeks_in_Albania&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: My contribution"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rootcragsar-20230318231300-My_contribution"></span>A user left a comment on my talk page regarding my recent edits, which were made all at once. I chose to make the changes this way because there appears to be a conflict surrounding these pages. Additionally, non-established users and readers have shared this on social media groups, and some users on this page have been directly mentioned. Upon reading the article, I noticed several areas where the copywriting and word choices were inadequate. Furthermore, there were clear biases present in the text. </p><p>My edits were simple: I updated the copywriting and added more details. For instance, the article mentioned that only approximately 13,000 ethnic Greeks had special identity cards reserved for ethnic Greeks outside of Greece. This is correct, but it fails to acknowledge that 500,000 Albanians have taken Greek nationality, which the source mentions. Many of those individuals are likely to be among the initial 189,000 holders of the special identity cards issued in 2001, especially as the total number of Albanian nationals in Greece has not exceeded 500,000 by the sources readily available. </p><p>In relation to the <a href="/wiki/Greeks" title="Greeks">Greeks</a> page, as there is a linkage, many users, some of whom are active on this page, wanted to note that most ethnic Greeks have left Albania, causing their population to dwindle. My edits on this page also include this information, citing the Myria Georgiou source. I added this information to the demographic section because it is supported by other sources that confirm Greeks from Albania have been migrating to Greece since the 1990s. </p><p>I also felt it would be helpful to mention that special identity cards are provided prior to citizenship, and once citizenship is granted, they are no longer issued, renewed, or offered. These pieces of information provide a better understanding of the complexity of the topic of Greeks in and from Albania and help to neutralize the overall picture. Prior to my edits and those of others, it seemed to imply that identity cards were in some way fraudulent due to the ability to falsify documentation. Additionally, there was disregard for the statistics that Albanians of all ethnic backgrounds have acquired Greek citizenship in large numbers. </p><p>Finally, the previous version of the text implied that the Greek government still considers 300,000 Greeks to be in Albania. However, this is no longer the case and has not been supported by sources other than outdated ones. </p><p>I hope this provides a sufficient explanation. <a href="/wiki/User:Rootcragsar" title="User:Rootcragsar">Rootcragsar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rootcragsar" title="User talk:Rootcragsar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Rootcragsar-20230318231300-My_contribution" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rootcragsar-20230318231300-My_contribution"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rootcragsar-20230318231300-My_contribution"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Northern_Epirus_section" data-mw-thread-id="h-Northern_Epirus_section-20230711013500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Northern_Epirus_section-20230711013500"></span>Northern Epirus section<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Northern_Epirus_section-20230711013500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greeks_in_Albania&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Northern Epirus section"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexikoua-20230711013500-Northern_Epirus_section"></span>The article is titled Greeks in Albania and Northern Epirus is the most common name this group calls the region as such it makes sense to keep this head as the most representative one in this case. See for example <i><a href="/wiki/Cham_Albanians#Chameria" title="Cham Albanians">Chams article and its Chameria section</a></i>.<a href="/wiki/User:Alexikoua" title="User:Alexikoua">Alexikoua</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexikoua" title="User talk:Alexikoua">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Alexikoua-20230711013500-Northern_Epirus_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 11 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexikoua-20230711013500-Northern_Epirus_section"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexikoua-20230711013500-Northern_Epirus_section"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Botushali-20230711014600-Alexikoua-20230711013500"></span>Northern Epirus and Chameria are not the same. You've had such a discussion previously regarding the terms. <a href="/wiki/User:Botushali" title="User:Botushali">Botushali</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Botushali" title="User talk:Botushali">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Botushali-20230711014600-Alexikoua-20230711013500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 11 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Botushali-20230711014600-Alexikoua-20230711013500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Botushali-20230711014600-Alexikoua-20230711013500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexikoua-20230711020600-Botushali-20230711014600"></span>Is that all you can present <i>Northern Epirus and Chameria are not the same?</i> without reasoning and explanation that's a simply a typical nationalist POV. You are in the wrong place for such declarations.<a href="/wiki/User:Alexikoua" title="User:Alexikoua">Alexikoua</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexikoua" title="User talk:Alexikoua">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Alexikoua-20230711020600-Botushali-20230711014600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:06, 11 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexikoua-20230711020600-Botushali-20230711014600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexikoua-20230711020600-Botushali-20230711014600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maleschreiber-20230711134400-Alexikoua-20230711020600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Alexikoua" title="User:Alexikoua">Alexikoua</a>:</span> the article is titled <i>Greeks in Albania</i>. <i>Northern Epirus</i> is a geo-political & expansionist term which was never a geographical term unlike <i>Chameria</i> which is a historical, geographical term. The term <i>Northern Epirus</i> is embraced only by a minority of Greeks in Albania and it is not used officially by Greece. It will not be used as a neutral, geographical descriptor because it's not such a term. The change I introduced phrases the use of the term <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The Greek minority in Albania is concentrated in the south of the country, near the border with Greece. After 1912, in Greece part of this area became known as Northern Epirus.</q> Your edit removed Kokolakis (2003) and Kallivretakis (1995) and re-introduced the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OFFTOPIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OFFTOPIC">WP:OFFTOPIC</a> and inaccurate statement <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">However, in more recent years the majority of emigrants holding Albanian citizenship in general dropped and many of them eventually returned from Greece to Albania.</q> There has been no return to Albania from any country and the outmigration rate has only increased in the last 6 years.--<a href="/wiki/User:Maleschreiber" title="User:Maleschreiber">Maleschreiber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maleschreiber" title="User talk:Maleschreiber">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-Maleschreiber-20230711134400-Alexikoua-20230711020600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maleschreiber-20230711134400-Alexikoua-20230711020600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maleschreiber-20230711134400-Alexikoua-20230711020600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vorioiperotes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vorioiperotes-20241013141600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vorioiperotes-20241013141600"></span>Vorioiperotes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vorioiperotes-20241013141600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greeks_in_Albania&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Vorioiperotes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:2D9F:AF39:6241:F2DA-20241013141600-Vorioiperotes"></span>Would this be better as Voreeoeeperotes? Since the iota and eta are both pronounced as 'ee'? To avoid confusion I mean <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:2D9F:AF39:6241:F2DA" title="Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:2D9F:AF39:6241:F2DA">2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:2D9F:AF39:6241:F2DA</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:2D9F:AF39:6241:F2DA&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:2D9F:AF39:6241:F2DA (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greeks_in_Albania#c-2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:2D9F:AF39:6241:F2DA-20241013141600-Vorioiperotes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:2D9F:AF39:6241:F2DA-20241013141600-Vorioiperotes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:2D9F:AF39:6241:F2DA-20241013141600-Vorioiperotes"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greeks_in_Albania&oldid=1251103164">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greeks_in_Albania&oldid=1251103164</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Greek_articles" title="Category:C-Class Greek articles">C-Class Greek articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Greek_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Greek articles">Mid-importance Greek articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Greece_general_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Greece general articles">WikiProject Greece general articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_WikiProject_Greece_pages" title="Category:All WikiProject Greece pages">All WikiProject Greece pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Albania_articles" title="Category:C-Class Albania articles">C-Class Albania articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Albania_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Albania articles">Mid-importance Albania articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Albania_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Albania articles">WikiProject Albania articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Ethnic_groups_articles" title="Category:C-Class Ethnic groups articles">C-Class Ethnic groups articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Ethnic_groups_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance Ethnic groups articles">Unknown-importance Ethnic groups articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Ethnic groups articles">WikiProject Ethnic groups articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Anthropology_articles" title="Category:C-Class Anthropology articles">C-Class Anthropology articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Anthropology_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance Anthropology articles">Unknown-importance Anthropology articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_Oral_tradition_articles" title="Category:C-Class Oral tradition articles">C-Class Oral tradition articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Oral_tradition_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance Oral tradition articles">Unknown-importance Oral tradition articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Oral_tradition_taskforce_articles" title="Category:Oral tradition taskforce articles">Oral tradition taskforce articles</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_pages_about_contentious_topics" title="Category:Wikipedia pages about contentious topics">Wikipedia pages about contentious topics</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 14 October 2024, at 12:22<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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