Trope Finder - TV Tropes

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2 * progress * progress : -1 + (4 - 2 * progress) * progress; window.scrollTo(0, start * (1 - ease_in_out_quad)); if (elapsed_time < duration) { requestAnimationFrame(scroll); } else { window.scrollTo(0, 0); } } scroll(); } // FOLDER BUTTONS (unused) - declared to prevent console errors. function toggleAllFolders() {} function togglefolder(id) {} var device_type = get_device_type(); const mobile_menu_button = document.querySelector('.mobile-menu-toggle-button'); if (mobile_menu_button) { mobile_menu_button.addEventListener('click', function(e) { e.preventDefault(); const header = document.querySelector('header#main-header-bar'); if (header.classList.contains('mobile-menu-active')) { header.classList.remove('mobile-menu-active'); } else { header.classList.add('mobile-menu-active'); } }); } // tracking height for multiple folders to insert ads var global_pHeight = 0; // MODAL - FOLDER - SPOILER BUTTONS document.body.addEventListener('click', function(e) { // WATCH / FOLLOW BUTTONS const target = e.target.closest('.watch-button'); const loggedInElement = document.getElementById('logged_in'); const loggedIn = loggedInElement ? loggedInElement.value : null; //special code for the desktop-on-mobile-toggle cookie link if (e.target.closest('#desktop-on-mobile-toggle > a')) { e.preventDefault(); var body_class = "desktop-on-mobile"; var userPrefs = document.getElementById('user-prefs'); if (userPrefs.classList.contains(body_class)) { cookies.remove(body_class); } else { cookies.create(body_class, 'true', 300, '/'); } location.reload(); } // Display toggle buttons for user preferences if (e.target.closest('.display-toggles > li')) { var toggle = e.target; if(toggle.tagName.toLowerCase() === 'li') toggle = toggle.children[0]; var body_class = ''; var pref = ''; var val = 0; // SIDEBAR AND MOBILE MENU OPTIONS if (toggle.classList.contains('wide-load')) { body_class = "wide-load"; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('sticky-header')) { body_class = "sticky-header"; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('night-vision')) { body_class = "night-vision"; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('show-spoilers')) { body_class = "show-spoilers"; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('tvtropes-editor-on')) { body_class = "tvtropes-editor-on"; } // PROFILE PAGE OPTIONS else if (toggle.classList.contains('folders-open')) { body_class = "folders-open"; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('wysiwyg-toggle')) { body_class = "wysiwyg-toggle"; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('mono-font')) { body_class = "mono-font"; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('lefthand-sidebar')) { body_class = "lefthand-sidebar"; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('highlight-links')) { body_class = "highlight-links"; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('forum-gingerbread')) { body_class = "forum-gingerbread"; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('shared-avatars')) { body_class = "shared-avatars"; pref = 'accept_share'; val = toggle.classList.contains('active') ? 0 : 1; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('new-search')) { body_class = "new-search"; pref = 'new_search'; val = toggle.classList.contains('active') ? 0 : 1; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('stop-auto-play-video')) { body_class = "stop-auto-play-video"; pref = 'stop_auto_play_video'; val = toggle.classList.contains('active') ? 0 : 1; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('notification-pm')) { body_class = 'notification-pm'; pref = 'toggle_notification_pm'; val = toggle.classList.contains('active') ? 0 : 1; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('notification-video')) { body_class = 'notification-video'; pref = 'toggle_notification_video'; val = toggle.classList.contains('active') ? 0 : 1; } else if (toggle.classList.contains('notification-query')) { body_class = 'notification-query'; pref = 'toggle_notification_query'; val = toggle.classList.contains('active') ? 0 : 1; } if (pref === 'accept_share' || pref === 'new_search' || pref === 'stop_auto_play_video' || pref === 'toggle_notification_query' || pref === 'toggle_notification_pm' || pref === 'toggle_notification_video') { if (pref === 'new_search' && document.querySelector('#new-search-toggle')) show_loader(); fetch('/ajax/toggle_user_prefs.php', { method: 'POST', headers: { 'Content-Type': 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded', }, body: 'pref=' + encodeURIComponent(pref) + '&value=' + encodeURIComponent(val) }) .then(response => response.json()) .then(json => { if (pref === 'new_search') { const newSearchToggle = document.querySelector('#new-search-toggle'); const searchInput = document.getElementById('srch-term').value; const pageType = document.getElementsByName('page_type')[0].value; if (newSearchToggle && newSearchToggle.classList.contains('active')) { kill_modal(); window.location.href = '/pmwiki/elastic_search_result.php?new_search=true&q=' + encodeURIComponent(searchInput) + '&page_type=' + encodeURIComponent(pageType); } else if (newSearchToggle) { kill_modal(); window.location.href = '/pmwiki/search_result.php?new_search=false&q=' + encodeURIComponent(searchInput); } } }) .catch(error => { console.error('Error:', error); }); document.querySelector('form.search').addEventListener('submit', function(e) { if (cookies.read('new-search') === 'true') { e.preventDefault(); this.setAttribute('action', "/pmwiki/elastic_search_result.php"); } }); } // Toggle 'active' class based on body_class var displayToggles = document.querySelectorAll('.display-toggle.' + body_class); displayToggles.forEach(item_to_toggle => { item_to_toggle.classList.toggle('active'); }); var userPrefs = document.getElementById('user-prefs'); userPrefs.classList.toggle(body_class); console.log('BODY CLASS:',body_class); if (userPrefs.classList.contains(body_class)) { cookies.create(body_class, 'true', 300, '/'); } else { cookies.remove(body_class); // Specific logic for 'show-spoilers' class if (body_class === "show-spoilers") { document.querySelectorAll('.spoiler').forEach(spoiler => { spoiler.classList.remove('off'); }); } } } if (target && loggedIn !== null) { e.preventDefault(); if (loggedIn === 'true') { target.classList.add('processing'); } // Article if (target.getAttribute('data-watch-info')) { var data = target.dataset.watchInfo.split(','); if (!data.length) return; var addOrDrop = target.classList.contains('watching') || target.parentElement.classList.contains('watching') ? 'drop' : 'add'; handleWatchItem(addOrDrop, data[0], data[1], target); // Discussion page } else if (target.getAttribute('data-watch-discussion-info')) { var data = target.dataset.watchDiscussionInfo.split(','); if (!data.length) return; var addOrDrop = target.classList.contains('watching') || target.parentElement.classList.contains('watching') ? 'drop' : 'add'; var pageType = 'Discussion'; handleWatchItem(addOrDrop, data[0], data[1], target, pageType); // Forum thread } else if (target.getAttribute('data-watch-thread-id')) { var threadId = target.getAttribute('data-watch-thread-id'); var url = target.classList.contains('watching') || target.parentElement.classList.contains('watching') ? '/pmwiki/thread_watch_drop.php?thread=' : '/pmwiki/setthreadwatch.php?d_id='; url += threadId; handleWatchThread(url, target); } } // Check for kill modal button click if (e.target.classList.contains('kill-modal-button')) { e.preventDefault(); kill_modal(); } // Check for data-click-toggle without data-click-toggle-target const targetWithoutToggleTarget = e.target.closest('*[data-click-toggle]:not([data-click-toggle-target])'); if (targetWithoutToggleTarget) { e.preventDefault(); const toggleClass = targetWithoutToggleTarget.getAttribute('data-click-toggle'); targetWithoutToggleTarget.classList.toggle(toggleClass); } // Check for data-click-toggle with data-click-toggle-target const targetWithToggleTarget = e.target.closest('*[data-click-toggle][data-click-toggle-target]'); if (targetWithToggleTarget) { e.preventDefault(); // Check if the target contains fetch_articles in the onclick attribute const hasFetchArticles = targetWithToggleTarget.getAttribute('onclick') && targetWithToggleTarget.getAttribute('onclick').includes('fetch_articles'); // If fetch_articles is not in the onclick attribute, stop propagation if (!hasFetchArticles) { e.stopPropagation(); } const toggleTarget = targetWithToggleTarget.getAttribute('data-click-toggle-target'); const toggleClass = targetWithToggleTarget.getAttribute('data-click-toggle'); if (toggleTarget.indexOf(',') > -1) { const targets = toggleTarget.split(","); targets.forEach(t => { document.querySelectorAll('#' + t).forEach(el => { el.classList.toggle(toggleClass); }); }); } else { document.querySelectorAll('#' + toggleTarget).forEach(el => { el.classList.toggle(toggleClass); }); } } // initiate all modals const modalTarget = e.target.closest('*[data-modal-target]'); if(modalTarget) { if (!modalTarget) { return; // Skip, if no target found with the specified attribute } // Get modal details let modal = modalTarget.getAttribute('data-modal-target'); let msg = modalTarget.getAttribute('data-modal-vars') ? modalTarget.getAttribute('data-modal-vars') : modalTarget.getAttribute('data-modal-confirmation-message'); let url = modalTarget.getAttribute('data-modal-confirmation-url'); // convert to json if possible try { var obj = JSON.parse(msg); if (obj && typeof obj === "object") { msg = obj; } } catch (e) { } // Skip modal and go straight to the link if (modal === "allow") return; // Don't allow link since we are showing a modal instead e.preventDefault(); // Add support for alert tags if (modal.substring(0, 6) === "alert-") { // Message array const msgArr = { "alert-banned": "Your permissions for this area have been suspended. Please visit <a href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/WhatToDoIfYouAreSuspended'>this page</a> for more details.", "alert-bounced": "This account has committed severe or repeated violations of our rules and is permanently denied access to many of the account features of the site. If you feel that this may be an error, please <a href=\"/pmwiki/contact.php\">contact the mods</a>.", "alert-denied": "Your account was denied by a moderator. If you believe this was done in error please <a href=\"/pmwiki/contact.php\">contact the mods</a>.", "alert-verify": "You must verify your email address before doing this. Check your email for a link.", "alert-approval": "Your account must be approved by a moderator before you can do this. If you still have this problem in a couple hours try <a href=\"/pmwiki/contact.php\">contacting the mods</a>.", "alert-age": "Your account is not old enough. Give it a little more time.", "alert-mod": "This page is only for moderators. Try something else.", "alert-db": "We are currently updating our database systems to UTF-8MB4. Please try again in 10-12 hours." }; if (modal in msgArr) { msg = msgArr[modal]; } else { msg = "Unknown error. Please <a href=\"/pmwiki/contact.php\">Contact us</a> if the problem persists."; } modal = "alert"; } // Bring up modal now show_modal(modal, msg, url); } // SPOILERS const spoilers = e.target.closest('.spoiler'); if (spoilers) { spoilers.classList.toggle('off'); } // OPEN INDIVIDUAL FOLDERS const folders = e.target.closest('.folderlabel'); if (folders && e.target.getAttribute('onclick') !== "toggleAllFolders();") { e.preventDefault(); folders.classList.toggle('is-open'); let folder = folders.nextElementSibling; if (folders.classList.contains('is-open')) { gtag('event', 'folder_click', {'device_type': device_type}); } if (folder && folders.classList.contains('is-open') && live_ads == 1 && (document.body.clientWidth && document.body.clientWidth<=768) && tvtropes_config.universal_page_type == 'Article') { if (folder.querySelectorAll('.tvtropes-ad-unit').length === 0) { global_pHeight = insert_ads_in_content(folder, globalAdInsertionCount, global_pHeight); } } } // OPEN ALL FOLDERS const allFolders = e.target.closest('div[onclick*="toggleAllFolders()"]'); if (allFolders) { let parentElement = allFolders.parentNode; // If the button is inside an H2, select the parent div of it if (parentElement.tagName === 'H2') parentElement = parentElement.parentNode; let isCurrentlyOpen = e.target.classList.contains('is-open'); // Select only folder labels that are inside the same parent div as the clicked button let foldersAndButtons = parentElement.querySelectorAll('.folderlabel, .toggle-all-folders-button'); foldersAndButtons.forEach(function(element) { if (isCurrentlyOpen) { element.classList.remove('is-open'); } else { element.classList.add('is-open'); } }); if (!isCurrentlyOpen) { gtag('event', 'all_folders_click', {'device_type': device_type}); // Also target only .folder elements within the same parent div parentElement.querySelectorAll('.folder').forEach(function(folder) { if (!folder.querySelector('.tvtropes-ad-unit') && live_ads == 1 && (document.body.clientWidth && document.body.clientWidth<=768) && tvtropes_config.universal_page_type == 'Article') { global_pHeight = insert_ads_in_content(folder, globalAdInsertionCount, global_pHeight); } }); } } }, true); // Add/remove watched article var handleWatchItem = function(addOrDrop, groupname, title, obj, pageType = '') { fetch("/ajax/watchlist.php", { method: "POST", headers: { 'Content-Type': 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded; charset=UTF-8' }, body: `groupname=${encodeURIComponent(groupname)}&title=${encodeURIComponent(title)}&type=${encodeURIComponent(addOrDrop)}&json=1&pageType=${encodeURIComponent(pageType)}` }) .then(response => response.json()) .then(data => { obj.classList.remove('processing'); if (obj.classList.contains('tile-watch-button')) { obj.parentNode.classList.toggle('watching'); } else { obj.classList.toggle('watching'); } }) .catch(error => { obj.classList.remove('processing'); show_modal('alert-red', 'Whoops, something went wrong. 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Trying to rediscover a long lost show or other medium but need a little help? Head to <a href="/pmwiki/query.php?type=ykts">Media Finder</a> and try your luck there. Want to propose a new trope? You should be over at the <a href="/pmwiki/yk_activity.php">Trope Launch Pad.</a></p> <div class="two-column gutter-top"> <div class="column-box left"> <a href="#" class="button blue full-width text-center create-post-btn" data-modal-target="login" > Find a Trope </a> </div> <div class="column-box right"> <form class="search-threads" method="POST" action="query.php"> <input type="hidden" name="qtype" value="lnf" /> <input type="hidden" name="sort" value="activity" /> <input type="hidden" name="status" value="all" /> <input type="text" class="form-control" id="thread-search-query" name="sparam" placeholder="Search Questions" value="" > <button type="submit" class="search-submit"><i class="fa fa-search"></i></button> </form> </div> </div> <div id="create-post-form" class="two-column section-block hidden-until-active gutter-top"> <p class="separator font-s text-light">Find a Trope:</p> <form class="no-style" method="post" action="/ajax/query-handler.php"> <div class="column-box left"> <input type="text" class="form-control" id="discussion-title" name="title" placeholder="Title" maxlength="100" required> </div> <div class="column-box right"> <select name="category" class="form-control"> <option value="">Select Medium</option> <option value="Anime">Anime</option> <option value="Film">Film</option> <option value="Literature">Literature</option> <option value="Live Action TV">Live Action TV</option> <option value="Music">Music</option> <option value="Print Comic">Print Comic</option> <option value="Radio">Radio</option> <option value="Videogame">Videogame</option> <option value="Web Original">Web Original</option> <option value="Webcomic">Webcomic</option> <option value="Western Animation">Western Animation</option> </select> </div> <div class="column-box"> <p class="font-s text-light">Describe the Trope:</p> <textarea class="form-control auto-height" id="discussion-text" name="remark" style="margin-top:3px;" required></textarea> </div> <div class="column-box text-center"> <button type="submit" id="submit-button" class="btn-submit blue" >Submit</button> </div> <input type="hidden" name="action" value="postNewQuery"> <input type="hidden" name="qtype" value="lnf"> </form> </div> <hr class="solid gutter-top"/> <div class="list-controls two-column gutter-top text-right query_filter_cont mobile_buttons_order"> <div class="first_row_buttons"> <span class="inline-block position-relative query_dropdown_filters"> <a data-modal-target="login" class="font-s button skinny" title="Filter by your queries">Mine</a> </span> <span class="inline-block position-relative query_dropdown_filters"> <a data-modal-target="login" class="font-s button skinny" title="Filter by your replies">Replies</a> </span> </div> <div class="second_row_buttons"> <span class="inline-block gutter-left position-relative query_dropdown_filters"> <a href="#" class="gutter-left font-s button skinny" data-hover-menu-target="status-filter-menu">Filter By Status <i class="fa 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class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Rachel4732"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/user-lamp-160x160.png"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139358" class="troper-post-time"> 25th Nov, 2024 11:44:05 AM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139358&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Hair</a> <a href='/pmwiki/query.php?type=lnf&status=all&sort=activity&f=Live Action TV' class='bubble blue'>Live Action TV</a></h2> <p>When a woman's hair moves in slow motion when she shakes her head back and forth. </p><p>Example: A woman takes off her motorcycle helmet and moves her head around as her hair spills out. This sequence is almost always presented in slow motion. </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139358"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139358&type=lnf'>0 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139357"></a> <div id="comment-139357" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/FatherGay" class="troper-name">FatherGay</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> May, 2020</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/FatherGay"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/user-lamp-160x160.png"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139357" class="troper-post-time"> 25th Nov, 2024 11:28:20 AM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139357&type=lnf' class='title bold'>(pain) wheel</a></h2> <p>A villain or group of villains has a wheel they spin, usually with different ways to die or be tortured on it, and often with their unwilling victim tied to the centre. Do we have this one? Or something similar? </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139357"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139357&type=lnf'>1 reply <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139344"></a> <div id="comment-139344" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Chabal2" class="troper-name">Chabal2</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Jan, 2010</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Chabal2"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/boss_god2.jpg_100.jpeg"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139344" class="troper-post-time"> 24th Nov, 2024 10:43:08 PM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139344&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Oblivious To The Distraction</a></h2> <p>A character is talking and is so into their speech or whathever they're doing that they don't notice their audience is staring at something behind/next to them. Can overlap with <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FailedASpotCheck' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FailedASpotCheck' data-format='RmFpbGVkQVNwb3RDaGVjaw=='>Failed a Spot Check</a> or <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RightBehindMe' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RightBehindMe' data-format='UmlnaHRCZWhpbmRNZQ=='>Right Behind Me</a>, but it's not necessarily the person they're talking about. </p><p><ul ><li> In <a class='createlink' rel='nofollow' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodzillaVsKong' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodzillaVsKong' data-format='R29kemlsbGFWc0tvbmc='>Godzilla Vs Kong</a>, the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad' data-format='QmlnQmFk'>Big Bad</a> is talking to the heroes, completely unaware that Mechagodzilla is reactivating right behind him, and only when he realizes the heroes are looking horrified does he turn around. </li><li> In <a class='createlink' rel='nofollow' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheOffice' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheOffice' data-format='VGhlT2ZmaWNl'>The Office</a>, Michael Scott tries to give a presentation next to a TV with a screensaver bouncing around, with everyone looking at the logo instead of him, and when he thinks they're reacting to his ideas it's actually to the logo <em>just</em> missing the corner of the screen. </li><li> In <a class='createlink' rel='nofollow' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DawnOfWar2' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DawnOfWar2' data-format='RGF3bk9mV2FyMg=='>Dawn Of War 2</a>, Kaptain Bluddflagg is beating on an Eldar corpse until his <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NumberTwo' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NumberTwo' data-format='TnVtYmVyVHdv'>Number Two</a> manages to tell him there's a small army behind him. </li></ul></p> <span class="edited-by">Edited by Chabal2</span> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139344"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139344&type=lnf'>3 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139355"></a> <div id="comment-139355" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper has-tag"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Toko90s" class="troper-name">Toko90s</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on">Previously <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TokoWH' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TokoWH' data-format='VG9rb1dI'>Toko WH</a> </span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Jun, 2022</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Toko90s"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/spyro.png"/> </a> </span> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline text-center mobile-off">Previously <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TokoWH' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TokoWH' data-format='VG9rb1dI'>Toko WH</a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139355" class="troper-post-time"> 25th Nov, 2024 09:58:55 AM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139355&type=lnf' class='title bold'>People won't check out a series for fear of it going on to long</a></h2> <p>Similar to <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArchivePanic' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArchivePanic' data-format='QXJjaGl2ZVBhbmlj'>Archive Panic</a>, but the series is still young but can be guessed to go on for a <em>very</em> long time. This came to me when I noticed some people saying they don't wanna check out <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/PokemonHorizons' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/PokemonHorizons' data-format='QW5pbWUvUG9rZW1vbkhvcml6b25z'>Pok茅mon Horizons</a></em> for sake of a potential 'nother 30+ year ride happening. </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139355"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139355&type=lnf'>1 reply <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139349"></a> <div id="comment-139349" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper has-tag"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/gramarie" class="troper-name">gramarie</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on">miss archer </span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Aug, 2020</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/gramarie"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/megan_thee_stallion_blonde_hair.png"/> </a> </span> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline text-center mobile-off">miss archer </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139349" class="troper-post-time"> 25th Nov, 2024 04:21:06 AM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139349&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Does this example fall under Grey And Gray Morality?</a></h2> <p>From a certain point of view, Lyle and Erik are victims of abuse who are capable of murder, while Jos茅 and Kitty are <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbusiveParents' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbusiveParents' data-format='QWJ1c2l2ZVBhcmVudHM='>Abusive Parents</a> who went through their own struggles and are links in the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChainOfHarm' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChainOfHarm' data-format='Q2hhaW5PZkhhcm0='>Chain of Harm</a>. </p><p>- Or is there a better or more specific trope for this? </p> <span class="edited-by">Edited by gramarie</span> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139349"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139349&type=lnf'>1 reply <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139164"></a> <div id="comment-139164" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Theharbo" class="troper-name">Theharbo</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Oct, 2011</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Theharbo"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/sci_fi_integration.jpg"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139164" class="troper-post-time"> 18th Nov, 2024 04:54:02 AM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139164&type=lnf' class='title bold'>A trope for being robbed of a win at the finish line.</a></h2> <p>You know that feeling of "I did everything right and still lost because <em>insert thing</em> happened at the exact moment where it could screw everything up"? </p><p>That. Do we have a trope for that feeling of being denied a win at a critical juncture despite everything going right up until then? </p><p>Think: </p><p><ul ><li> <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Videogame/MarioKart' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Videogame/MarioKart' data-format='W1tWaWRlb2dhbWUvTWFyaW9LYXJ0IEJsdWUgc2hlbGxdXQ=='>Blue shell</a> at the finish line. </li><li> <a class='urllink' href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vzfeyh-ow8&t=571s'>A medic in TF2 landing a clutch healing dart from across the map to keep your opponent alive<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a> </li></ul></p><p></p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139164"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139164&type=lnf'>3 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139353"></a> <div id="comment-139353" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper has-tag"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/AwkbutTVT" class="troper-name">AwkbutTVT</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on">Uber Bard </span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Nov, 2023</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/AwkbutTVT"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_2024_10_03_052328.png"/> </a> </span> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline text-center mobile-off">Uber Bard </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139353" class="troper-post-time"> 25th Nov, 2024 08:53:42 AM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139353&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Creature who is mainly a mouth</a></h2> <p>I know we have Oculothorax for creatures that are mainly an eye and Cephalothorax for creatures that are mainly a head, but do we have one for a mouth? </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139353"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139353&type=lnf'>0 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139352"></a> <div id="comment-139352" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper has-tag"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/sohibil" class="troper-name">sohibil</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on">pragmatic scientist </span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Dec, 2020</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/sohibil"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/frank_5.png"/> </a> </span> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline text-center mobile-off">pragmatic scientist </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139352" class="troper-post-time"> 25th Nov, 2024 08:46:16 AM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139352&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Significant insignificant place.</a></h2> <p>Whatever this place is (town, building, e.t.c.) it is an ass-end of nowhere and very little people know about it. Despite that some of the most important events, deciding the fate of humankind, took place here. </p><p>To be specific, I'm talking about the <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DayOfTheTentacle' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DayOfTheTentacle' data-format='W1tWaWRlb0dhbWUvRGF5T2ZUaGVUZW50YWNsZSBFZGlzb24gTWFuc2lvbl1d'>Edison Mansion</a> where supposedly the U.S. Constitution was drafted, and 400 years later it became Purple Tentacle's base of operations. </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139352"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139352&type=lnf'>0 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139343"></a> <div id="comment-139343" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/JacobyInvestigative" class="troper-name">JacobyInvestigative</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Aug, 2021</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/JacobyInvestigative"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/user-lamp-160x160.png"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139343" class="troper-post-time"> 24th Nov, 2024 09:29:42 PM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139343&type=lnf' class='title bold'>A second player is required for a video game mission</a></h2> <p>In short, the mission can only be done if there is a second human player playing with the 1st player. </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139343"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139343&type=lnf'>1 reply <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139337"></a> <div id="comment-139337" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/SpectacularRain" class="troper-name">SpectacularRain</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date">(Pilot)</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/SpectacularRain"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/user-lamp-160x160.png"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139337" class="troper-post-time"> 24th Nov, 2024 06:24:41 PM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139337&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Guy wrestles Girl plot</a> <a href='/pmwiki/query.php?type=lnf&status=all&sort=activity&f=Live Action TV' class='bubble blue'>Live Action TV</a></h2> <p>An episode of a series where either gender challenges the other to a wrestling match or a fight. </p> <span class="edited-by">Edited by SpectacularRain</span> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139337"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139337&type=lnf'>2 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139339"></a> <div id="comment-139339" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper has-tag"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Stouca" class="troper-name">Stouca</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on">Ignore the username, call me Stoutlyn. </span> </span> <span class="member_join_date">(Apprentice)</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Stouca"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/65ee7457_ad89_4dc7_9b6e_4a793fc3617e.png"/> </a> </span> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline text-center mobile-off">Ignore the username, call me Stoutlyn. </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139339" class="troper-post-time"> 24th Nov, 2024 08:03:28 PM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status resolved'>resolved</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139339&type=lnf' class='title bold'><i class='fa fa-lock'></i> Unhelpful Suspect Description</a></h2> <p>Mainly when a character describes a suspect, but their description isn鈥檛 easy to figure out. </p> <span class="edited-by">Edited by Stouca</span> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139339"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139339&type=lnf'>0 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139335"></a> <div id="comment-139335" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Aazkaal" class="troper-name">Aazkaal</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Sep, 2019</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Aazkaal"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/jeh2vh8w_400x400.jpg"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139335" class="troper-post-time"> 24th Nov, 2024 04:56:07 PM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status resolved'>resolved</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139335&type=lnf' class='title bold'><i class='fa fa-lock'></i> Atrocious phone contact name</a></h2> <p>Someone sees under what name they or someone else are recorded in the phone's contact list, and find it funny, offensive and/or confusing. </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139335"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139335&type=lnf'>1 reply <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139333"></a> <div id="comment-139333" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Pyotr" class="troper-name">Pyotr</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Nov, 2024</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Pyotr"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/pyotr.jpg"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139333" class="troper-post-time"> 24th Nov, 2024 03:31:01 PM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139333&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Hypothesis: Once Popular, now forgotten</a></h2> <p>A series that was popular in its time but is now forgotten or doesn鈥檛 have the same audience compared to its golden era. </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139333"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139333&type=lnf'>1 reply <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139334"></a> <div id="comment-139334" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/BlueBlazes" class="troper-name">BlueBlazes</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Dec, 2019</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/BlueBlazes"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/user-lamp-160x160.png"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139334" class="troper-post-time"> 24th Nov, 2024 03:52:04 PM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139334&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Unusual crime</a></h2> <p>Someone is arrested or charged with committing an incredibly specific/odd crime </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139334"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139334&type=lnf'>0 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139331"></a> <div id="comment-139331" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/hazelnutpie" class="troper-name">hazelnutpie</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> May, 2013</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/hazelnutpie"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img20200605125634657961.png"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139331" class="troper-post-time"> 24th Nov, 2024 01:42:51 PM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status resolved'>resolved</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139331&type=lnf' class='title bold'><i class='fa fa-lock'></i> ambiguous salvation</a> <a href='/pmwiki/query.php?type=lnf&status=all&sort=activity&f=Literature' class='bubble blue'>Literature</a></h2> <p>It's not like <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NiceJobBreakingItHero' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NiceJobBreakingItHero' data-format='TmljZUpvYkJyZWFraW5nSXRIZXJv'>Nice Job Breaking It, Hero</a>, where the protagonist unambiguously makes things worse, but rather, it's more unclear whether they are actually saving someone or dooming them to an even more terrible fate. </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139331"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139331&type=lnf'>2 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139325"></a> <div id="comment-139325" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/lunartemis" class="troper-name">lunartemis</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date">(Pilot)</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/lunartemis"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/user-lamp-160x160.png"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139325" class="troper-post-time"> 24th Nov, 2024 08:37:15 AM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139325&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Simple mistake causes disastrous effects</a></h2> <p>Example: An engineer making a multi-billion dollar spacecraft forgot to screw in one tiny bolt, and now the entire spacecraft just broke up during launch. </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139325"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139325&type=lnf'>2 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139326"></a> <div id="comment-139326" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper has-tag"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/MarqFJA" class="troper-name">MarqFJA</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on">The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer </span> </span> <span class="member_join_date">(Before Recorded History)</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/MarqFJA"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/black_hand_of_nod_by_jarmenkell_7.jpg"/> </a> </span> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline text-center mobile-off">The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139326" class="troper-post-time"> 24th Nov, 2024 09:32:20 AM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139326&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Multiple randomly chosen models</a> <a href='/pmwiki/query.php?type=lnf&status=all&sort=activity&f=Videogame' class='bubble blue'>Videogame</a></h2> <p>In many video games, the norm is for character/unit models to be all identical within a given "class"; such is the case for first-person shooters, where a given character type (e.g. common infantry from a particular faction in a military shooter, or units in strategy games) has the exact same appearance between all instances. Some video games, however, break from this pattern by having a range of visually distinct models that the character/unit can be randomly assigned, even though the equipment, stats, abilities, etc. are identical regardless of the model. </p><p>Examples: <ul ><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/CommandAndConquerGenerals' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/CommandAndConquerGenerals' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL0NvbW1hbmRBbmRDb25xdWVyR2VuZXJhbHM='>Command & Conquer: Generals</a></em>, the GLA's Technical has three different models, one of which is randomly assigned when a Technical is produced. </li><li> In <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/CallOfDuty' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/CallOfDuty' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL0NhbGxPZkR1dHk='>Call of Duty</a></em>, the soldiers of certain factions (typically those considered as "irregular military") have a wide range of randomly assigned models; these include the <a class='urllink' href='https://callofduty.fandom.com/wiki/Brazilian_Militia'>Brazilian Militia<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a> and the <a class='urllink' href='https://callofduty.fandom.com/wiki/Czech_Resistance'>Czech Resistance<img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif" height="12" width="12" style="border:none;" /></a>. </li></ul></p><p>Is there a trope for this? </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139326"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139326&type=lnf'>0 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139309"></a> <div id="comment-139309" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/SharkToast" class="troper-name">SharkToast</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Mar, 2013</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/SharkToast"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/user-lamp-160x160.png"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139309" class="troper-post-time"> 23rd Nov, 2024 01:56:40 PM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139309&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Work gets wackier as it goes on</a></h2> <p>A work that starts off as relatively grounded becomes wackier by the end. </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139309"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139309&type=lnf'>2 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139301"></a> <div id="comment-139301" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper has-tag"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit" class="troper-name">TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on">The clown of STEEL </span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Mar, 2024</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/archerschaubskeleton.jpg"/> </a> </span> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline text-center mobile-off">The clown of STEEL </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139301" class="troper-post-time"> 23rd Nov, 2024 10:03:34 AM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139301&type=lnf' class='title bold'>World Of Mayflies/Past People Died Young</a></h2> <p>I've noticed that some people interpret life expentacy statistics as "you will live exactly this number of years". So, when a certain time and place is described as having a low life expentancy (like, for exmaple, an expentancy of 30 years for the Middle Ages), people will assume that 30 years was considered old in the Middle Ages (in real life, life expantancy also keeps track of child mortality, which was way higher in the past; so people in the Middle Ages <em>did</em> die young, but in the sense of "you either die at 7 months or 70 years", instead of literally living up to 30 years). </p><p>Is this a common stereotype of <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDungAges' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDungAges' data-format='VGhlRHVuZ0FnZXM='>The Dung Ages</a>? Whether the author legitmately believed it, or is parodying it, or implementing it for a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fantasy' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fantasy' data-format='e3tGYW50YXN5fX0='>Fantasy</a> or other fictional setting, the setting portrayed is a <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrapsackWorld' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrapsackWorld' data-format='Q3JhcHNhY2tXb3JsZA=='>Crapsack World</a> where people are lucky to reach even 30 years, whether for mundande reasons (like violence or disease), something more esoteric (as if people literally aged faster), or outright supernatural (some force that is culling individuals older than a certain age). </p><p>In terms of actual works, it was parodied in <em><a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/KingdomOfLoathing' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/KingdomOfLoathing' data-format='VmlkZW9HYW1lL0tpbmdkb21PZkxvYXRoaW5n'>Kingdom of Loathing</a></em>'s Monster Manuel, which justifies the very vulgar <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FictionalConstellations' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FictionalConstellations' data-format='RmljdGlvbmFsQ29uc3RlbGxhdGlvbnM='>Fictional Constellations</a> with claiming that in the past, life expentancy was lower, and the people that named the constellations were younger as well— in this case, <a class='twikilink' href='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HormoneAddledTeenager' title='/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HormoneAddledTeenager' data-format='e3tIb3Jtb25lIEFkZGxlZCBUZWVuYWdlcn19cw=='>Hormone Addled Teenagers</a>. </p><p>Do we have a trope to describe this? </p> <div class='footer'><div class='button-group skinny font-s float-right'><a href="#upvote" data-modal-target="login" data-query-id="139301"><i class="fa fa-thumbs-up"></i> <span class="count">0</span></a><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139301&type=lnf'>10 replies <i class='fa fa-chevron-right font-xs'></i></a></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <style> .member_join_date { font-size: 0.9em; color: #9299a3; } </style> <a name="139323"></a> <div id="comment-139323" class="comment-box has-footer "> <div class="comment-head"> <span class="troper-handle-wrapper "> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Jerry" class="troper-name">Jerry</a> <span class="troper-avatar-tagline mobile-on"></span> </span> <span class="member_join_date"><strong>Since:</strong> Aug, 2013</span> </div> <div class="comment-body"> <div class="troper-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="troper-avatar"> <a href="pmwiki.php/Tropers/Jerry"> <img src="https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/jerry_ava_ki.png"/> </a> </span> </div> <div class="troper-comment has-title"> <a href="#comment-139323" class="troper-post-time"> 24th Nov, 2024 05:37:37 AM </a> <div class="comment"> <h2 class='comment-title'><div class='status-alert float-right bug-status open'>open</div><a href='/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=139323&type=lnf' class='title bold'>Drive through wedding</a></h2> <p>A wedding 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