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Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a>, editors may use {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_template-protected" title="Template:Edit template-protected">edit template-protected</a>}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's <b><a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box/doc" title="Template:US state navigation box/doc">documentation</a></b> to add usage notes or <a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">categories</a>. <p>Any contributor may edit the template's <b><a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box/sandbox" title="Template:US state navigation box/sandbox">sandbox</a></b>. Functionality of the template can be checked using <b><a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box/testcases" title="Template:US state navigation box/testcases">test cases</a></b>. </p> <div style="padding:0.5em"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1127644699">.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox .commentboxInput,.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox br{display:none}</style> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="commentbox" class="commentbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/w/index.php" method="get" id="request_edit_inputbox"><input type="hidden" value="edit" name="action"/><input type="hidden" value="Template:Request edit button/preload" name="preload"/><input type="hidden" value="Edit template-protected" name="preloadparams[]"/><div class="cdx-text-input"><input type="hidden" name="preloadtitle" class="mw-inputbox-input commentboxInput cdx-text-input__input" value="Edit request {{subst:#time:j F Y}}" placeholder="" size="50" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="new" name="section"/><input type="hidden" value="Template talk:US state navigation box" name="title"/><br/><input type="submit" name="create" value="Request edit" class="cdx-button cdx-button--action-progressive cdx-button--weight-primary"/></form></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tnavbar-header" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tnavbar-header-2007-03-08T20:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tnavbar-header-2007-03-08T20:07:00.000Z"></span>Tnavbar-header<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tnavbar-header-2007-03-08T20:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Tnavbar-header"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Appraiser-2007-03-08T20:07:00.000Z-Tnavbar-header"></span>I think adding the header (view, discuss, and edit) to the template will invite a lot of vandalism and undesirable changes. Vandals are most often inexperienced users who might have difficulty finding a template in order to change it, but this addition puts the power at their fingertips. After all if you're going to write graffiti, you might as well affect 100s of articles instead of just one at a time.--<a href="/wiki/User:Appraiser" title="User:Appraiser">Appraiser</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Appraiser-2007-03-08T20:07:00.000Z-Tnavbar-header" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Appraiser-2007-03-08T20:07:00.000Z-Tnavbar-header"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Appraiser-2007-03-08T20:07:00.000Z-Tnavbar-header"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z-Appraiser-2007-03-08T20:07:00.000Z"></span>Hi. Is there a way to add show/hide but remove the edit options? Also, links to the captial city seem to have broken sometime today (though I could be mistaken). -<a href="/wiki/User:Susanlesch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susanlesch">Susanlesch</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z-Appraiser-2007-03-08T20:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z-Appraiser-2007-03-08T20:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z-Appraiser-2007-03-08T20:07:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CapitalR-2007-03-08T23:15:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z"></span>All of the capital links seem to be working fine to me (both in IE and Firefox). What kind of browser are you using? Also, at the discussion <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._states/state_templates#Straw_Polls" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates#Straw Polls</a>, it was agreed not to use the Show/Hide form for these boxes, but you're welcome to continue that discussion either on this talk page or on the other talk page. --<a href="/wiki/User:CapitalR" title="User:CapitalR">CapitalR</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-CapitalR-2007-03-08T23:15:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CapitalR-2007-03-08T23:15:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CapitalR-2007-03-08T23:15:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susanlesch-2007-03-09T06:06:00.000Z-CapitalR-2007-03-08T23:15:00.000Z"></span>In Firefox 2.0.0.2 the capital city links don't work on my machine as of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AUS_state_navigation_box&diff=112687380&oldid=112682278">this edit</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:Susanlesch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susanlesch">Susanlesch</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Susanlesch-2007-03-09T06:06:00.000Z-CapitalR-2007-03-08T23:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susanlesch-2007-03-09T06:06:00.000Z-CapitalR-2007-03-08T23:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susanlesch-2007-03-09T06:06:00.000Z-CapitalR-2007-03-08T23:15:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CapitalR-2007-03-09T10:11:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-09T06:06:00.000Z"></span>Yup, you're definitely right about that screwing up the capital links in FireFox. Right now I have no idea why, so I just turned off the view/talk/edit template until we can get this figured out. I'll do some tests in my sandbox tomorrow to try to fix it. --<a href="/wiki/User:CapitalR" title="User:CapitalR">CapitalR</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-CapitalR-2007-03-09T10:11:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-09T06:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CapitalR-2007-03-09T10:11:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-09T06:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CapitalR-2007-03-09T10:11:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-09T06:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zyxw-2007-04-06T04:31:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z"></span>In edits made on April 2nd & 3rd I successfully added <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Tnavbar" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Tnavbar">Tnavbar</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to create the "v-d-e" (view, discuss, edit) links. While implementing that I also added "show/hide" to deal with articles containing multiple navigation boxes at the bottom of the page (see <a href="/wiki/Sacramento,_California" title="Sacramento, California">Sacramento, California</a> or <a href="/wiki/Denver,_Colorado" class="mw-redirect" title="Denver, Colorado">Denver, Colorado</a>). This was done via <code>class=collapsible</code> and a new <code>collapse_state</code> parameter that can force the template to display in one of three states: collapsed, expanded, or autocollapse (default setting: only collapse when more than one collapsible template on a page). If the individual U.S. state templates are updated to pass along this parameter, by adding: <dl><dd><code>| collapse_state = {{{1}}}</code></dd></dl></dd> <dd>then the following would be possible: <dl><dd><code>{{Colorado|collapsed}}</code> - insert Colorado navbox, collapsed</dd> <dd><code>{{Colorado|expanded}}</code> - insert Colorado navbox, expanded</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Hopefully that will eliminate some of the concerns raised at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._states/state_templates" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates</a> back in Aug/Sep 2006. I also updated the documentation and moved it to <a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box/doc" title="Template:US state navigation box/doc">Template:US state navigation box/doc</a> which is transcluded for viewing in <a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box" title="Template:US state navigation box">Template:US state navigation box</a>. The end result can be seen by viewing <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:US_state_navigation_box&oldid=120126669">this edit</a>. <b>Note:</b> You won't find any of this in the current version because all of my edits were reverted today (for more information see the <a href="#Revert">#Revert</a> discussion below).</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Zyxw" title="User:Zyxw">Zyxw</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Zyxw-2007-04-06T04:31:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zyxw-2007-04-06T04:31:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zyxw-2007-04-06T04:31:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-03-08T20:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Revert" data-mw-thread-id="h-Revert-2007-04-06T00:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Revert-2007-04-06T00:46:00.000Z"></span>Revert<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Revert-2007-04-06T00:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Revert"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:46:00.000Z-Revert"></span>Hello. I don't see consensus for omitting v-d-e and show-hide on the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._states/state_templates">page cited in the edit history</a> and am thinking about reverting to the new design pending a note on the user's talk page. -<a href="/wiki/User:Susanlesch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susanlesch">Susanlesch</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:46:00.000Z-Revert" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:46:00.000Z-Revert"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:46:00.000Z-Revert"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:46:00.000Z"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._states/state_templates#Straw_Polls" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates#Straw Polls</a> and read all other issues. Why don't we create <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:US_state_navigation_box_2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:US state navigation box 2 (page does not exist)">Template:US state navigation box 2</a> for people who prefer the show/hide features. —<a href="/wiki/User:RJN" title="User:RJN">RJN</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:51:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z"></span>Well, the straw poll for show-hide (in which I voted) has 2 votes against and 1 vote for, yes? Sure you can make another box if you want. -<a href="/wiki/User:Susanlesch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susanlesch">Susanlesch</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:51:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:51:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T00:51:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:US_state_navigation_box_2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:US state navigation box 2 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RJN-2007-04-06T00:59:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z"></span>Template:US state navigation box 2</a> has been created for people who prefer the show/hide features edited by Zyxw. —<a href="/wiki/User:RJN" title="User:RJN">RJN</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-RJN-2007-04-06T00:59:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RJN-2007-04-06T00:59:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RJN-2007-04-06T00:59:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T01:11:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:59:00.000Z"></span>RJN, that was nice of you. The problem is you've changed the default for fifty states who just got used to the new one. Would you consider swapping the code between the two templates? Thanks in advance. -<a href="/wiki/User:Susanlesch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susanlesch">Susanlesch</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T01:11:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T01:11:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susanlesch-2007-04-06T01:11:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z"></span>As the one who added these features to the template, I don't think there is any need for two separate "US state navigation box" templates. I only see two ways that might be used: <ol><li>Some of the state navigation box templates implemented with <a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box" title="Template:US state navigation box">Template:US state navigation box</a> switch over to style #2 while other states retain style #1. This would be a bad idea since the template's purpose was to standardize the look of the navigation box for each state.</li> <li>An entire set of 50+ alternate state templates copied from the originals. Trying to keep the two sets of templates in sync would be a maintenance nightmare.</li></ol></dd> <dd>My reason for making the changes is that I noticed the template's creator had been trying to add the "v-d-e" links in edits on March 8th and 9th (see the <a href="#Tnavbar-header">#Tnavbar-header</a> discussion above). While implementing that I also added "show/hide" because it seems to be an emerging standard for navigational templates to include both. However, if the consensus here is to leave out "v-d-e" and "show/hide", then that ought to apply to all states. Obviously I'm in favor of including it, but I'll save those comments for another time.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Zyxw" title="User:Zyxw">Zyxw</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z-RJN-2007-04-06T00:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-06T14:13:00.000Z-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z"></span>I'm in favor of retaining the show/hide and the v-d-e links. I am definitely opposed to having the 2 separate templates, it defeats the purpose of creating a consistent template for all the states to use. I also agree with <a href="/wiki/User:Zyxw" title="User:Zyxw">Zyxw</a> that it would lead to continous maintenance issues. <a href="/wiki/User:VerruckteDan" title="User:VerruckteDan">VerruckteDan</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-06T14:13:00.000Z-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-06T14:13:00.000Z-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-06T14:13:00.000Z-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:37:00.000Z-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z"></span>Since there's been no further discussions and the consensus seems to favor maintaining the vde and show/hide, I've restored the coding. <a href="/wiki/User:VerruckteDan" title="User:VerruckteDan">VerruckteDan</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:37:00.000Z-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:37:00.000Z-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:37:00.000Z-Zyxw-2007-04-06T02:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarsRover-2007-04-16T17:55:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:37:00.000Z"></span>Sorry to chime in late. But there is something inheritely wrong with creating navigation templates that are so large that people want to hide them. They start to include stuff that is not needed but nobody notices. I have a gripe about the US County template were it includes a map of where the county is but its not needed since its already in the articles. btw, is there a way to specify whether by default its shown or hidden when including it. It seems to be randomly open or close when I tried using one. --<a href="/wiki/User:MarsRover" title="User:MarsRover">MarsRover</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-MarsRover-2007-04-16T17:55:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarsRover-2007-04-16T17:55:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarsRover-2007-04-16T17:55:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z-MarsRover-2007-04-16T17:55:00.000Z"></span>The explanation of the parameter that controls whether a navbox is collapsed or expanded can be found near the bottom of the preceding section of this talk page and in the <a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box#Usage" title="Template:US state navigation box">documentation</a> on the template page. As for over-sized navboxes, I agree, they lose functionality. I don't know of any state navbox that is clearly oversized, but I haven't looked at them all recently. The show/hide feature is useful for articles with multiple navboxes. With multiple boxes, the US state navbox collapses, by default (as do any other box that uses a standard navbox template) to reduce their footprints and allow users to select to see the navbox they wish.</dd> <dd>As for the maps being used in the county navboxes, some discussions are occurring on that <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:US_county_navigation_box" title="Template talk:US county navigation box">talk page</a> and I'd invite you to comment there. <a href="/wiki/User:VerruckteDan" title="User:VerruckteDan">VerruckteDan</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z-MarsRover-2007-04-16T17:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z-MarsRover-2007-04-16T17:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z-MarsRover-2007-04-16T17:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zyxw-2007-04-18T05:53:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z"></span>I updated each of the individual U.S. state templates so they can be forced into expanded mode on a page by page basis. Using Colorado as an example, simply replace <b><code>{{Colorado}}</code></b> with <b><code>{{Colorado|expanded}}</code></b>. The word "expanded" could actually be replaced with any text other than "collapsed" (always collapsed) or "autocollapse" (the default mode: only collapsed when more than one navigation box of this type). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Zyxw" title="User:Zyxw">Zyxw</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Zyxw-2007-04-18T05:53:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zyxw-2007-04-18T05:53:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zyxw-2007-04-18T05:53:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zyxw-2007-04-18T07:12:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z"></span>For a good example of a page with multiple collapsed navigation boxes, see the article for <b><a href="/wiki/Phoenix,_Arizona" title="Phoenix, Arizona">Phoenix, Arizona</a></b>. It has six navigation boxes at the bottom of the page. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Zyxw" title="User:Zyxw">Zyxw</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Zyxw-2007-04-18T07:12:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zyxw-2007-04-18T07:12:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zyxw-2007-04-18T07:12:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-16T23:41:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="TfD_nomination_of_Template:US_state_navigation_box_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-TfD_nomination_of_Template:US_state_navigation_box_2-2007-04-14T16:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-TfD_nomination_of_Template:US_state_navigation_box_2-2007-04-14T16:49:00.000Z"></span>TfD nomination of Template:US state navigation box 2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-TfD_nomination_of_Template:US_state_navigation_box_2-2007-04-14T16:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: TfD nomination of Template:US state navigation box 2"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:US_state_navigation_box_2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:US state navigation box 2 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:49:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:US_state_navigation_box_2"></span>Template:US state navigation box 2</a> has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:US_state_navigation_box_2" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Templates for deletion">the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:VerruckteDan" title="User:VerruckteDan">VerruckteDan</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:49:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:US_state_navigation_box_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:49:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:US_state_navigation_box_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T16:49:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:US_state_navigation_box_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Broken_templates?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Broken_templates?-2007-06-19T16:33:00.000Z"><span id="Broken_templates.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Broken_templates?-2007-06-19T16:33:00.000Z"></span>Broken templates?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Broken_templates?-2007-06-19T16:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Broken templates?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zaui-2007-06-19T16:33:00.000Z-Broken_templates?"></span>There's something wrong with the state templates - see <a href="/wiki/Template:Arizona" title="Template:Arizona">Template:Arizona</a>, <a href="/wiki/Template:California" title="Template:California">Template:California</a> and others, I assume. I've changed the Utah template back to the version that doesn't use the US state navigation box and it displays properly. — <a href="/wiki/User:Zaui" title="User:Zaui">Zaui</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zaui" title="User talk:Zaui">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Zaui-2007-06-19T16:33:00.000Z-Broken_templates?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zaui-2007-06-19T16:33:00.000Z-Broken_templates?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zaui-2007-06-19T16:33:00.000Z-Broken_templates?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zaui-2007-06-19T17:00:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-19T16:33:00.000Z"></span>Looks like it's fixed now. Thanks to whomever fixed it. — <a href="/wiki/User:Zaui" title="User:Zaui">Zaui</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zaui" title="User talk:Zaui">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Zaui-2007-06-19T17:00:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-19T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zaui-2007-06-19T17:00:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-19T16:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zaui-2007-06-19T17:00:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-19T16:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dispenser-2007-06-20T00:06:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-19T17:00:00.000Z"></span>Just what was the problem? Because I can't figure it out what the problem from the lastest change was unless it involved the font color. I'm attempting to simplify and <a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser/Navbox_conform" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dispenser/Navbox conform">conform</a> all navboxes and templates so infomation where problems occur is very useful. —<a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser" title="User:Dispenser">Dispenser</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Dispenser-2007-06-20T00:06:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-19T17:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dispenser-2007-06-20T00:06:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-19T17:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dispenser-2007-06-20T00:06:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-19T17:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zaui-2007-06-20T15:20:00.000Z-Dispenser-2007-06-20T00:06:00.000Z"></span>I didn't take a screen shot showing the problem, but it wasn't displaying properly - part of the code was visible at the top and the content was to the left and outside of the main box. As an experiment, you could restore the version that was in place at the time (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:US_state_navigation_box&oldid=139209170">this one</a>, I believe) and have a look. I don't think it would disrupt things too much. — <a href="/wiki/User:Zaui" title="User:Zaui">Zaui</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zaui" title="User talk:Zaui">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Zaui-2007-06-20T15:20:00.000Z-Dispenser-2007-06-20T00:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zaui-2007-06-20T15:20:00.000Z-Dispenser-2007-06-20T00:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zaui-2007-06-20T15:20:00.000Z-Dispenser-2007-06-20T00:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dispenser-2007-06-20T17:58:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-20T15:20:00.000Z"></span>That helped since most people complain about font or margin sizes. The problem was that I had been tested the wrong parameters, so then the parsing engine (It has to do with the way table are handled) barfed since there were "{}" in it. —<a href="/wiki/User:Dispenser" title="User:Dispenser">Dispenser</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Dispenser-2007-06-20T17:58:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-20T15:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dispenser-2007-06-20T17:58:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-20T15:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dispenser-2007-06-20T17:58:00.000Z-Zaui-2007-06-20T15:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="State=expanded" data-mw-thread-id="h-State=expanded-2008-02-22T22:46:00.000Z"><span id="State.3Dexpanded"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-State=expanded-2008-02-22T22:46:00.000Z"></span>State=expanded<span data-mw-comment-end="h-State=expanded-2008-02-22T22:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: State=expanded"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buaidh-2008-02-22T22:46:00.000Z-State=expanded"></span>Why can I no longer force the initial state of a US state navigation template to expanded? --<a href="/wiki/User:Buaidh" title="User:Buaidh">Buaidh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buaidh" title="User talk:Buaidh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Buaidh-2008-02-22T22:46:00.000Z-State=expanded" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buaidh-2008-02-22T22:46:00.000Z-State=expanded"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buaidh-2008-02-22T22:46:00.000Z-State=expanded"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CapitalR-2008-03-10T08:00:00.000Z-Buaidh-2008-02-22T22:46:00.000Z"></span>Try doing state=uncollapsed instead. --<a href="/wiki/User:CapitalR" title="User:CapitalR">CapitalR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CapitalR" title="User talk:CapitalR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-CapitalR-2008-03-10T08:00:00.000Z-Buaidh-2008-02-22T22:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CapitalR-2008-03-10T08:00:00.000Z-Buaidh-2008-02-22T22:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CapitalR-2008-03-10T08:00:00.000Z-Buaidh-2008-02-22T22:46:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buaidh-2008-03-10T13:07:00.000Z-State=expanded"></span>That doesn't seem to work either. --<a href="/wiki/User:Buaidh" title="User:Buaidh">Buaidh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buaidh" title="User talk:Buaidh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Buaidh-2008-03-10T13:07:00.000Z-State=expanded" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buaidh-2008-03-10T13:07:00.000Z-State=expanded"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buaidh-2008-03-10T13:07:00.000Z-State=expanded"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CapitalR-2008-04-13T09:57:00.000Z-Buaidh-2008-03-10T13:07:00.000Z"></span>Let me know where you're trying to do this and I'll have a look. --<a href="/wiki/User:CapitalR" title="User:CapitalR">CapitalR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CapitalR" title="User talk:CapitalR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-CapitalR-2008-04-13T09:57:00.000Z-Buaidh-2008-03-10T13:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CapitalR-2008-04-13T09:57:00.000Z-Buaidh-2008-03-10T13:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CapitalR-2008-04-13T09:57:00.000Z-Buaidh-2008-03-10T13:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit-2008-04-01T14:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit-2008-04-01T14:39:00.000Z"></span>Edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit-2008-04-01T14:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Edit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-198.185.18.207-2008-04-01T14:39:00.000Z-Edit"></span>{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Editprotected" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editprotected">editprotected</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> </p><p>Please move the ar. interwiki link inside the noinclude tags. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/198.185.18.207" title="Special:Contributions/198.185.18.207">198.185.18.207</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:198.185.18.207" title="User talk:198.185.18.207">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-198.185.18.207-2008-04-01T14:39:00.000Z-Edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-198.185.18.207-2008-04-01T14:39:00.000Z-Edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-198.185.18.207-2008-04-01T14:39:00.000Z-Edit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Od_Mishehu-2008-04-01T17:12:00.000Z-198.185.18.207-2008-04-01T14:39:00.000Z"></span>Removed from template - it belongs on doc page, and there's already one there for Arabic. If it's wrong, you can find the one from the template in the source of its old version. <a href="/wiki/User:Od_Mishehu" title="User:Od Mishehu">עוד מישהו</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Od_Mishehu" title="User talk:Od Mishehu">Od Mishehu</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Od_Mishehu-2008-04-01T17:12:00.000Z-198.185.18.207-2008-04-01T14:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Od_Mishehu-2008-04-01T17:12:00.000Z-198.185.18.207-2008-04-01T14:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Od_Mishehu-2008-04-01T17:12:00.000Z-198.185.18.207-2008-04-01T14:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Centering_title_and_left-align_text" data-mw-thread-id="h-Centering_title_and_left-align_text-2008-04-29T20:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Centering_title_and_left-align_text-2008-04-29T20:44:00.000Z"></span>Centering title and left-align text<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Centering_title_and_left-align_text-2008-04-29T20:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Centering title and left-align text"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CapitalR-2008-04-29T20:44:00.000Z-Centering_title_and_left-align_text"></span>I'd like to do a major upgrade to this template to fix a few problems with it. One major issue I have with it is that the title is not centered, due to the image at the top left (see <a href="/wiki/Boston" title="Boston">Boston</a>, <a href="/wiki/San_Jose,_California" title="San Jose, California">San Jose, California</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Las_Vegas,_Nevada" class="mw-redirect" title="Las Vegas, Nevada">Las Vegas, Nevada</a> for some of the many examples of where this makes it look weird). I know how to fix this problem and center the title, but of course this makes all of the lists look funny, because they are centered and will not align with the title anymore. These lists really should be left-align, however, as that makes them much easier to read (graphic design 101: never center text except in headings and titles), links them with their group headings better, and fixes the centering problem. </p><p>Here's an example of the New York one, before and after (note that the new version makes use of some new <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Navbox" title="Template:Navbox">Navbox</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> features (namely, the titlegroup parameter) that will be available after May 1): </p> <div class="navbox-styles"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1236075235">.mw-parser-output .navbox{box-sizing:border-box;border:1px solid #a2a9b1;width:100%;clear:both;font-size:88%;text-align:center;padding:1px;margin:1em auto 0}.mw-parser-output .navbox .navbox{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .navbox+.navbox,.mw-parser-output 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.navbox-title{background-color:#ddf}.mw-parser-output .navbox-subgroup .navbox-group,.mw-parser-output .navbox-subgroup .navbox-abovebelow{background-color:#e6e6ff}.mw-parser-output .navbox-even{background-color:#f7f7f7}.mw-parser-output .navbox-odd{background-color:transparent}.mw-parser-output .navbox .hlist td dl,.mw-parser-output .navbox .hlist td ol,.mw-parser-output .navbox .hlist td ul,.mw-parser-output .navbox td.hlist dl,.mw-parser-output .navbox td.hlist ol,.mw-parser-output .navbox td.hlist ul{padding:0.125em 0}.mw-parser-output .navbox .navbar{display:block;font-size:100%}.mw-parser-output .navbox-title .navbar{float:left;text-align:left;margin-right:0.5em}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .navbox-image img{max-width:none!important}@media print{body.ns-0 .mw-parser-output .navbox{display:none!important}}</style></div><div role="navigation" class="navbox" aria-labelledby="State_of_New_York" style="padding:3px"><table class="nowraplinks hlist mw-collapsible autocollapse 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.navbar-ct-full{font-size:114%;margin:0 7em}.mw-parser-output .navbar-ct-mini{font-size:114%;margin:0 4em}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .navbar li a abbr{color:var(--color-base)!important}@media(prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .navbar li a abbr{color:var(--color-base)!important}}@media print{.mw-parser-output .navbar{display:none!important}}</style><div class="navbar plainlinks hlist navbar-mini"><ul><li class="nv-view"><a href="/wiki/Template:New_York_(state)" title="Template:New York (state)"><abbr title="View this template">v</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-talk"><a href="/wiki/Template_talk:New_York_(state)" title="Template talk:New York (state)"><abbr title="Discuss this template">t</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-edit"><a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Template:New_York_(state)" title="Special:EditPage/Template:New York (state)"><abbr title="Edit this template">e</abbr></a></li></ul></div><div id="State_of_New_York" style="font-size:114%;margin:0 4em"><a href="/wiki/U.S._state" title="U.S. state">State</a> of <a href="/wiki/New_York_(state)" title="New York (state)">New York</a></div></th></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" colspan="2"><div><b><a href="/wiki/Albany,_New_York" title="Albany, New York">Albany</a></b> (capital)</div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%"><a href="/wiki/Outline_of_New_York_(state)" title="Outline of New York (state)">Topics</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Index_of_New_York_(state)%E2%80%93related_articles" title="Index of New York (state)–related articles">Index</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_airports_in_New_York_(state)" title="List of airports in New York (state)">Airports</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Bibliography_of_New_York_(state)" class="mw-redirect" title="Bibliography of New York (state)">Bibliography</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Climate_change_in_New_York_(state)" title="Climate change in New York (state)">Climate change</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_(state)" title="Crime in New York (state)">Crime</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_(state)" title="Demographics of New York (state)">Demographics</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_(state)" title="Economy of New York (state)">Economy</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Education_in_New_York_(state)" title="Education in New York (state)">Education</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Geography_of_New_York_(state)" title="Geography of New York (state)">Geography</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_York" title="Gun laws in New York">Gun laws</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Healthcare_in_New_York_(state)" title="Healthcare in New York (state)">Healthcare</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/History_of_New_York_(state)" title="History of New York (state)">History</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Homelessness_in_New_York" 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<li><a href="/wiki/Transportation_in_New_York_(state)" title="Transportation in New York (state)">Transportation</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Tourist_attractions_in_New_York_(state)" title="Category:Tourist attractions in New York (state)">Tourist attractions</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%"><a href="/wiki/Politics_of_New_York_(state)" title="Politics of New York (state)">Politics</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Abortion_in_New_York" title="Abortion in New York">Abortion</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_New_York_(state)" title="Administrative divisions of New York (state)">Administrative divisions</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/New_York%27s_congressional_districts" title="New York's congressional districts">Congressional districts</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Constitution_of_New_York" title="Constitution of New York">Constitution</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/United_States_congressional_delegations_from_New_York" title="United States congressional delegations from New York">Delegations</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/List_of_United_States_senators_from_New_York" title="List of United States senators from New York">Senators</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_United_States_representatives_from_New_York" title="List of United States representatives from New York">Representatives</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Elections_in_New_York_(state)" title="Elections in New York (state)">Elections</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Government_of_New_York_(state)" title="Government of New York (state)">Government</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Law_of_New_York_(state)" title="Law of New York (state)">Law</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%"><a href="/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States#New_York" title="List of regions of the United States">Regions</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Adirondack_Mountains" title="Adirondack Mountains">Adirondack Mountains</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Allegheny_Plateau" title="Allegheny Plateau">Allegheny Plateau</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Capital_District,_New_York" class="mw-redirect" title="Capital District, New York">Capital District</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Catskill_Mountains" title="Catskill Mountains">Catskill Mountains</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Central_New_York_Region" title="Central New York Region">Central Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Central_New_York" title="Central New York">Central New York</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Champlain_Valley" title="Champlain Valley">Champlain Valley</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area" title="New York metropolitan area">Tri-State area</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Finger_Lakes" title="Finger Lakes">Finger Lakes</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Phelps_and_Gorham_Purchase" title="Phelps and Gorham Purchase">Holland Purchase</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Hudson_Highlands" title="Hudson Highlands">Hudson Highlands</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Hudson_Valley" title="Hudson Valley">Hudson Valley</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Long_Island" title="Long Island">Long Island</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Mohawk_Valley_region" class="mw-redirect" title="Mohawk Valley region">Mohawk Valley</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Niagara_Frontier" title="Niagara Frontier">Niagara Frontier</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/North_Country_(New_York)" title="North Country (New York)">North Country</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ridge-and-Valley_Appalachians" title="Ridge-and-Valley Appalachians">Ridge and Valley</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/St._Lawrence_Seaway" title="St. Lawrence Seaway">St. Lawrence Seaway</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Shawangunk_Ridge" title="Shawangunk Ridge">Shawangunks</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ski_country" title="Ski country">Ski country</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Southern_Tier" title="Southern Tier">Southern Tier</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Southtowns" title="Southtowns">Southtowns</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Tech_Valley" title="Tech Valley">Tech Valley</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Thousand_Islands" title="Thousand Islands">Thousand Islands</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Tug_Hill" title="Tug Hill">Tug Hill</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Upstate_New_York" title="Upstate New York">Upstate</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Western_New_York" title="Western New York">Western</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%"><a href="/wiki/New_York_statistical_areas" title="New York statistical areas">Metro areas</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Albany,_New_York" title="Albany, New York">Albany</a> / <a href="/wiki/Schenectady,_New_York" title="Schenectady, New York">Schenectady</a> / <a href="/wiki/Troy,_New_York" title="Troy, New York">Troy</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Binghamton,_New_York" title="Binghamton, New York">Binghamton</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York" title="Buffalo, New York">Buffalo</a> / <a href="/wiki/Niagara_Falls,_New_York" title="Niagara Falls, New York">Niagara Falls</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Elmira,_New_York" title="Elmira, New York">Elmira</a> / <a href="/wiki/Corning_(city),_New_York" class="mw-redirect" title="Corning (city), New York">Corning</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Glens_Falls,_New_York" title="Glens Falls, New York">Glens Falls</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ithaca,_New_York" title="Ithaca, New York">Ithaca</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Jamestown,_New_York" title="Jamestown, New York">Jamestown</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Kingston,_New_York" title="Kingston, New York">Kingston</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/New_York_City" title="New York City">New York City</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Rochester,_New_York" title="Rochester, New York">Rochester</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Syracuse,_New_York" title="Syracuse, New York">Syracuse</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Utica,_New_York" title="Utica, New York">Utica</a> / <a href="/wiki/Rome,_New_York" title="Rome, New York">Rome</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Watertown,_New_York" title="Watertown, New York">Watertown</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%"><a href="/wiki/List_of_counties_in_New_York" title="List of counties in New York">Counties</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Albany_County,_New_York" title="Albany County, New York">Albany</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Allegany_County,_New_York" title="Allegany County, New York">Allegany</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/The_Bronx" title="The Bronx">Bronx</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Broome_County,_New_York" title="Broome County, New York">Broome</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Cattaraugus_County,_New_York" title="Cattaraugus County, New York">Cattaraugus</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Cayuga_County,_New_York" title="Cayuga County, New York">Cayuga</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Chautauqua_County,_New_York" title="Chautauqua County, New York">Chautauqua</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Chemung_County,_New_York" title="Chemung County, New York">Chemung</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Chenango_County,_New_York" title="Chenango County, New York">Chenango</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Clinton_County,_New_York" title="Clinton County, New York">Clinton</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Columbia_County,_New_York" title="Columbia County, New York">Columbia</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Cortland_County,_New_York" title="Cortland County, New York">Cortland</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Delaware_County,_New_York" title="Delaware County, New York">Delaware</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Dutchess_County,_New_York" title="Dutchess County, New York">Dutchess</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Erie_County,_New_York" title="Erie County, New York">Erie</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Essex_County,_New_York" title="Essex County, New York">Essex</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Franklin_County,_New_York" title="Franklin County, New York">Franklin</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Fulton_County,_New_York" title="Fulton County, New York">Fulton</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Genesee_County,_New_York" title="Genesee County, New York">Genesee</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Greene_County,_New_York" title="Greene County, New York">Greene</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Hamilton_County,_New_York" title="Hamilton County, New York">Hamilton</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Herkimer_County,_New_York" title="Herkimer County, New York">Herkimer</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Jefferson_County,_New_York" title="Jefferson County, New York">Jefferson</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Brooklyn" title="Brooklyn">Kings</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Lewis_County,_New_York" title="Lewis County, New York">Lewis</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Livingston_County,_New_York" title="Livingston County, New York">Livingston</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Madison_County,_New_York" title="Madison County, New York">Madison</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Monroe_County,_New_York" title="Monroe County, New York">Monroe</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Montgomery_County,_New_York" title="Montgomery County, New York">Montgomery</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Tryon_County,_New_York" title="Tryon County, New York">Tryon</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Nassau_County,_New_York" title="Nassau County, New York">Nassau</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Manhattan" title="Manhattan">New York</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Niagara_County,_New_York" title="Niagara County, New York">Niagara</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Oneida_County,_New_York" title="Oneida County, New York">Oneida</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Onondaga_County,_New_York" title="Onondaga County, New York">Onondaga</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ontario_County,_New_York" title="Ontario County, New York">Ontario</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Orange_County,_New_York" title="Orange County, New York">Orange</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Orleans_County,_New_York" title="Orleans County, New York">Orleans</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Oswego_County,_New_York" title="Oswego County, New York">Oswego</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Otsego_County,_New_York" title="Otsego County, New York">Otsego</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Putnam_County,_New_York" title="Putnam County, New York">Putnam</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Queens" title="Queens">Queens</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Rensselaer_County,_New_York" title="Rensselaer County, New York">Rensselaer</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Staten_Island" title="Staten Island">Richmond</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Rockland_County,_New_York" title="Rockland County, New York">Rockland</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/St._Lawrence_County,_New_York" title="St. Lawrence County, New York">Saint Lawrence</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Saratoga_County,_New_York" title="Saratoga County, New York">Saratoga</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Schenectady_County,_New_York" title="Schenectady County, New York">Schenectady</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Schoharie_County,_New_York" title="Schoharie County, New York">Schoharie</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Schuyler_County,_New_York" title="Schuyler County, New York">Schuyler</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Seneca_County,_New_York" title="Seneca County, New York">Seneca</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Steuben_County,_New_York" title="Steuben County, New York">Steuben</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Suffolk_County,_New_York" title="Suffolk County, New York">Suffolk</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Sullivan_County,_New_York" title="Sullivan County, New York">Sullivan</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Tioga_County,_New_York" title="Tioga County, New York">Tioga</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Tompkins_County,_New_York" title="Tompkins County, New York">Tompkins</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ulster_County,_New_York" title="Ulster County, New York">Ulster</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Warren_County,_New_York" title="Warren County, New York">Warren</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Washington_County,_New_York" title="Washington County, New York">Washington</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Charlotte_County,_Province_of_New_York" title="Charlotte County, Province of New York">Charlotte</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wayne_County,_New_York" title="Wayne County, New York">Wayne</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Westchester_County,_New_York" title="Westchester County, New York">Westchester</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wyoming_County,_New_York" title="Wyoming County, New York">Wyoming</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Yates_County,_New_York" title="Yates County, New York">Yates</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%"><a href="/wiki/List_of_places_in_New_York" class="mw-redirect" title="List of places in New York">Places</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/List_of_cities_in_New_York" class="mw-redirect" title="List of cities in New York">Cities</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_towns_in_New_York" title="List of towns in New York">Towns</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_American_Indian_Reservations_in_New_York_(state)" class="mw-redirect" title="List of American Indian Reservations in New York (state)">Indian reservations</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_villages_in_New_York" class="mw-redirect" title="List of villages in New York">Villages</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_census-designated_places_in_New_York" title="List of census-designated places in New York">Census-designated places</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%"><a href="/wiki/History_of_New_York_(state)" title="History of New York (state)">History</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Lenape" title="Lenape">Lenape</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/New_Netherland" title="New Netherland">New Netherland</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Rensselaerswyck" title="Rensselaerswyck">Rensselaerswyck</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_New_York" class="mw-redirect" title="History of slavery in New York">History of slavery in New York</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Province_of_New_York" title="Province of New York">Province of New York</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Stamp_Act_Congress" title="Stamp Act Congress">Stamp Act Congress</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Invasion_of_Canada_(1775)" class="mw-redirect" title="Invasion of Canada (1775)">Invasion of Canada (1775)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Saratoga_campaign" title="Saratoga campaign">Saratoga campaign</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/New_York_and_New_Jersey_campaign" title="New York and New Jersey campaign">New York and New Jersey campaign</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/State_cessions" title="State cessions">State cessions</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/New_York_in_the_American_Civil_War" title="New York in the American Civil War">New York in the American Civil War</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/9/11_attacks" class="mw-redirect" title="9/11 attacks">9/11 attacks</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" colspan="2"><div><span class="nowrap"><span class="mw-image-border noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="flag" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_New_York.svg/32px-Flag_of_New_York.svg.png" decoding="async" width="32" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_New_York.svg/48px-Flag_of_New_York.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_New_York.svg/64px-Flag_of_New_York.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="450"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Portal:New_York_(state)" title="Portal:New York (state)">New York (state) portal</a></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CapitalR/Navbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CapitalR/Navbox (page does not exist)">User:CapitalR/Navbox</a> </p><p>Anyone have any thoughts or problems with me making these changes in a few days? --<a href="/wiki/User:CapitalR" title="User:CapitalR">CapitalR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CapitalR" title="User talk:CapitalR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-CapitalR-2008-04-29T20:44:00.000Z-Centering_title_and_left-align_text" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CapitalR-2008-04-29T20:44:00.000Z-Centering_title_and_left-align_text"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CapitalR-2008-04-29T20:44:00.000Z-Centering_title_and_left-align_text"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z-CapitalR-2008-04-29T20:44:00.000Z"></span>Looks good to me. Go for it. — <a href="/wiki/User:Zaui" title="User:Zaui">Zaui</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zaui" title="User talk:Zaui">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z-CapitalR-2008-04-29T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z-CapitalR-2008-04-29T20:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z-CapitalR-2008-04-29T20:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susanlesch-2008-04-30T03:31:00.000Z-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>. The centering looks nice. The infinitesimal change in font size helps, too. Funny you mention graphic design 101, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.useit.com/alertbox/navigation-menu-alignment.html">Alertbox</a> this week is about (right) alignment. I trust your decision on whether groups as well as lists are left-justified. —<a href="/wiki/User:SusanLesch" title="User:SusanLesch"><b>SusanLesch</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Susanlesch" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Susanlesch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Susanlesch-2008-04-30T03:31:00.000Z-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susanlesch-2008-04-30T03:31:00.000Z-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susanlesch-2008-04-30T03:31:00.000Z-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VerruckteDan-2008-05-02T04:12:00.000Z-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> <a href="/wiki/User:VerruckteDan" title="User:VerruckteDan">VerruckteDan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VerruckteDan" title="User talk:VerruckteDan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-VerruckteDan-2008-05-02T04:12:00.000Z-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VerruckteDan-2008-05-02T04:12:00.000Z-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VerruckteDan-2008-05-02T04:12:00.000Z-Zaui-2008-04-29T22:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CapitalR-2008-05-10T16:38:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2008-05-02T04:12:00.000Z"></span>Okay, I just made the change and all the templates seem to still work. For templates like <a href="/wiki/Template:Hawaii" title="Template:Hawaii">Hawaii</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:American_Samoa" title="Template:American Samoa">American Somoa</a> there is now some large whitespace on the right side of the template since left-align is used. I added the parameter "image" for people who may be unhappy about this...set <code>|image = [[Image:...]]</code> to use the parameter. I recommend setting it to be a map or something, similar to how <a href="/wiki/Template:US_county_navigation_box" title="Template:US county navigation box">Template:US county navigation box</a> works. --<a href="/wiki/User:CapitalR" title="User:CapitalR">CapitalR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CapitalR" title="User talk:CapitalR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-CapitalR-2008-05-10T16:38:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2008-05-02T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CapitalR-2008-05-10T16:38:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2008-05-02T04:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CapitalR-2008-05-10T16:38:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2008-05-02T04:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nyttend-2008-05-13T12:05:00.000Z-CapitalR-2008-05-10T16:38:00.000Z"></span>One problem with the current alignment: the capital isn't centered under the state name anymore on my computer. Is this a display problem with my computer, or is it this way with the template itself? As long as we're putting the state's name and the capital's name roughly in the middle of the top bar, I think it would be a lot better to have both centered on the same line. <a href="/wiki/User:Nyttend" title="User:Nyttend">Nyttend</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nyttend" title="User talk:Nyttend">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Nyttend-2008-05-13T12:05:00.000Z-CapitalR-2008-05-10T16:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nyttend-2008-05-13T12:05:00.000Z-CapitalR-2008-05-10T16:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nyttend-2008-05-13T12:05:00.000Z-CapitalR-2008-05-10T16:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CapitalR-2008-05-13T20:39:00.000Z-Nyttend-2008-05-13T12:05:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, someone made a change recently that messed up the centering on IE; I reverted back to the previous version which seems to fix the problem. --<a href="/wiki/User:CapitalR" title="User:CapitalR">CapitalR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CapitalR" title="User talk:CapitalR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-CapitalR-2008-05-13T20:39:00.000Z-Nyttend-2008-05-13T12:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CapitalR-2008-05-13T20:39:00.000Z-Nyttend-2008-05-13T12:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CapitalR-2008-05-13T20:39:00.000Z-Nyttend-2008-05-13T12:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Of" data-mw-thread-id="h-Of-2008-09-02T20:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Of-2008-09-02T20:23:00.000Z"></span>Of<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Of-2008-09-02T20:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Of"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oldag07-2008-09-02T20:23:00.000Z-Of"></span>Is there a way to change the "of" in the "State 'of' XXXXX" section so it reflects the text color that the template specifies rather then black. See Texas template </p><p><br/> for the text parameter it is | text_color = #ffffff Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Oldag07" title="User:Oldag07">Oldag07</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oldag07" title="User talk:Oldag07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Oldag07-2008-09-02T20:23:00.000Z-Of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oldag07-2008-09-02T20:23:00.000Z-Of"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oldag07-2008-09-02T20:23:00.000Z-Of"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oldag07-2008-11-01T03:43:00.000Z-Oldag07-2008-09-02T20:23:00.000Z"></span>seems fixed now. thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Oldag07" title="User:Oldag07">Oldag07</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oldag07" title="User talk:Oldag07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Oldag07-2008-11-01T03:43:00.000Z-Oldag07-2008-09-02T20:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oldag07-2008-11-01T03:43:00.000Z-Oldag07-2008-09-02T20:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oldag07-2008-11-01T03:43:00.000Z-Oldag07-2008-09-02T20:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Limit_of_groups?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Limit_of_groups?-2008-12-02T23:05:00.000Z"><span id="Limit_of_groups.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Limit_of_groups?-2008-12-02T23:05:00.000Z"></span>Limit of groups?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Limit_of_groups?-2008-12-02T23:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Limit of groups?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kristinpedia-2008-12-02T23:05:00.000Z-Limit_of_groups?"></span>Is there a limit to the amount of groups you can add to a template? <a href="/wiki/User:Kristinpedia" title="User:Kristinpedia">Kristinpedia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kristinpedia" title="User talk:Kristinpedia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Kristinpedia-2008-12-02T23:05:00.000Z-Limit_of_groups?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kristinpedia-2008-12-02T23:05:00.000Z-Limit_of_groups?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kristinpedia-2008-12-02T23:05:00.000Z-Limit_of_groups?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Accessibility_improvement_for_visually-impaired_readers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Accessibility_improvement_for_visually-impaired_readers-2009-07-20T07:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Accessibility_improvement_for_visually-impaired_readers-2009-07-20T07:45:00.000Z"></span>Accessibility improvement for visually-impaired readers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Accessibility_improvement_for_visually-impaired_readers-2009-07-20T07:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Accessibility improvement for visually-impaired readers"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><code><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eubulides-2009-07-20T07:45:00.000Z-Accessibility_improvement_for_visually-impaired_readers"></span>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Editprotected" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editprotected">editprotected</a>}}</code> </p><p>This template creates a box that is unnecessarily hard for the visually impaired to read, because it creates unnecessary wikilinks to state flags that cause <a href="/wiki/Screen_readers" class="mw-redirect" title="Screen readers">screen readers</a> to say things like "Flag of Arizona link State link of Arizona link ...". The flag is purely decorative, and as per <i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ALT#When_not_to_specify" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ALT">WP:ALT #When not to specify</a></i> it should not have a link so that it does not bother the screen reader (and the user). There's a simple fix, which has already been applied to the sandbox and tested. </p><p>Please install <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:US_state_navigation_box/sandbox&diff=303091345&oldid=303091198">this trivial sandbox fix</a>. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Eubulides" title="User:Eubulides">Eubulides</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eubulides" title="User talk:Eubulides">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Eubulides-2009-07-20T07:45:00.000Z-Accessibility_improvement_for_visually-impaired_readers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eubulides-2009-07-20T07:45:00.000Z-Accessibility_improvement_for_visually-impaired_readers"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eubulides-2009-07-20T07:45:00.000Z-Accessibility_improvement_for_visually-impaired_readers"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Plastikspork-2009-07-20T07:59:00.000Z-Eubulides-2009-07-20T07:45:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Let me know if there are any problems. <a href="/wiki/User:Plastikspork" title="User:Plastikspork">Plastikspork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plastikspork" title="User talk:Plastikspork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Plastikspork-2009-07-20T07:59:00.000Z-Eubulides-2009-07-20T07:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 20 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Plastikspork-2009-07-20T07:59:00.000Z-Eubulides-2009-07-20T07:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Plastikspork-2009-07-20T07:59:00.000Z-Eubulides-2009-07-20T07:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Update_to_accessibility_improvement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Update_to_accessibility_improvement-Accessibility_improvement_for_visually-impaired_readers-2009-10-13T20:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Update_to_accessibility_improvement-Accessibility_improvement_for_visually-impaired_readers-2009-10-13T20:32:00.000Z"></span>Update to accessibility improvement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Update_to_accessibility_improvement-Accessibility_improvement_for_visually-impaired_readers-2009-10-13T20:32:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Update to accessibility improvement"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><code><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eubulides-2009-10-13T20:32:00.000Z-Update_to_accessibility_improvement"></span>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Editprotected" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editprotected">editprotected</a>}}</code> Since the previous comment, the Mediawiki software has been updated so that it now requires "<code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|link=</code><code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|alt=</code>", instead of just "<code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|link=</code>", for the image to be marked as purely decorative. This template therefore now generates an image that has accessibility problems; I discovered this while checking the <i><a href="/wiki/Pennsylvania_State_Capitol" title="Pennsylvania State Capitol">Pennsylvania State Capitol</a></i> article, a featured article candidate. The Mediawiki software no longer supports purely decorative images that have title text (used in tooltips). This means that the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|flag_caption=</code> parameter is no longer supported, but that's not much of a loss since it is obvious that the purely decorative image is the flag of the state in question. Please install <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:US_state_navigation_box/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=319686437">this sandbox patch</a></span>; I have <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:US_state_navigation_box/doc&diff=prev&oldid=319686844">updated</a></span> the documentation accordingly. <a href="/wiki/User:Eubulides" title="User:Eubulides">Eubulides</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eubulides" title="User talk:Eubulides">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Eubulides-2009-10-13T20:32:00.000Z-Update_to_accessibility_improvement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eubulides-2009-10-13T20:32:00.000Z-Update_to_accessibility_improvement"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eubulides-2009-10-13T20:32:00.000Z-Update_to_accessibility_improvement"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Plastikspork-2009-10-13T20:47:00.000Z-Eubulides-2009-10-13T20:32:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <a href="/wiki/User:Plastikspork" title="User:Plastikspork">Plastikspork</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plastikspork" title="User talk:Plastikspork"><sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Plastikspork-2009-10-13T20:47:00.000Z-Eubulides-2009-10-13T20:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Plastikspork-2009-10-13T20:47:00.000Z-Eubulides-2009-10-13T20:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Plastikspork-2009-10-13T20:47:00.000Z-Eubulides-2009-10-13T20:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Standardizing_this_template's_look" data-mw-thread-id="h-Standardizing_this_template's_look-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z"><span id="Standardizing_this_template.27s_look"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Standardizing_this_template's_look-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z"></span>Standardizing this template's look<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Standardizing_this_template's_look-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Standardizing this template's look"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z-Standardizing_this_template's_look"></span>I propose standardizing this template's look and feel with that of most other navboxes. In particular, this would move the large decorative flag from above the groups on the left to a small image in the title (many other navboxes use this style). In addition, it would make the group font slightly larger, and right-align it (again, standard). Finally, it would shrink the large title to a normal size and move the capital into the "above" navbox group. </p><p>This makes the template look much better when combined with other navboxes. It always looks funny to me when this one has the large flag image on the left and the large title font, and no other navboxes share this style. By making the style like other boxes, it will look much better. </p><p>Here's an example of what the change would look like: </p> <div class="navbox-styles"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1236075235"></div><div role="navigation" class="navbox" aria-labelledby="_State_of_New_York_Albany_(capital)" style="padding:3px"><table class="nowraplinks mw-collapsible uncollapsed navbox-inner" style="border-spacing:0;background:transparent;color:inherit"><tbody><tr><th scope="col" class="navbox-title" colspan="2" style="background:#cddeff;;width:auto;"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239400231"><div class="navbar plainlinks hlist navbar-mini"><ul><li class="nv-view"><a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box" title="Template:US state navigation box"><abbr title="View this template">v</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-talk"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><abbr title="Discuss this template">t</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-edit"><a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Template:US_state_navigation_box" title="Special:EditPage/Template:US state navigation box"><abbr title="Edit this template">e</abbr></a></li></ul></div><div id="_State_of_New_York_Albany_(capital)" style="font-size:114%;margin:0 4em"><div style="float:right;width:77px;padding:0em;"><br/> </div><div style="text-align: center;"><table style="background:transparent;color:inherit;text-align:center;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-size:140%;"><a href="/wiki/U.S._state" title="U.S. state">State</a> of <a href="/wiki/New_York" class="mw-disambig" title="New York">New York</a> </td></tr><tr><td style="font-weight:normal;"><b><a href="/wiki/Albany,_New_York" title="Albany, New York">Albany</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/List_of_capitals_in_the_United_States" title="List of capitals in the United States"><span style="color:inherit;">capital</span></a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="background:#cddeff;;width:1%;font-size:85%;text-align:center;padding:2px;white-space:normal;width:71px;"><a href="/wiki/Category:New_York" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:New York">Topics</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0;width:auto;"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"><div> <p><a href="/wiki/History_of_New_York" class="mw-disambig" title="History of New York">History</a> | <a href="/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_New_York" class="mw-disambig" title="List of colleges and universities in New York">Education</a> | <a href="/wiki/Politics_of_New_York" class="mw-disambig" title="Politics of New York">Politics</a> | ... </p> </div></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="background:#cddeff;;width:1%;font-size:85%;text-align:center;padding:2px;white-space:normal;width:71px;"><a href="/wiki/Regions_of_the_United_States#New_York" class="mw-redirect" title="Regions of the United States">Regions</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0;width:auto;"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"><div> <p><a href="/wiki/Adirondack_Mountains" title="Adirondack Mountains">Adirondack Mountains</a> | <a href="/wiki/Capital_District" class="mw-disambig" title="Capital District">Capital District</a> | <a href="/wiki/Catskill_Mountains" title="Catskill Mountains">Catskill Mountains</a> | ... </p> </div></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="background:#cddeff;;width:1%;font-size:85%;text-align:center;padding:2px;white-space:normal;width:71px;"><a href="/wiki/List_of_cities_in_New_York" class="mw-redirect" title="List of cities in New York">Metro areas</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0;width:auto;"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"><div> <p><a href="/wiki/Albany,_New_York" title="Albany, New York">Albany</a>/<a href="/wiki/Schenectady,_New_York" title="Schenectady, New York">Schenectady</a>/<a href="/wiki/Troy,_New_York" title="Troy, New York">Troy</a> | <a href="/wiki/Binghamton,_New_York" title="Binghamton, New York">Binghamton</a> | <a href="/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York" title="Buffalo, New York">Buffalo</a>/<a href="/wiki/Niagara_Falls,_New_York" title="Niagara Falls, New York">Niagara Falls</a> | ... </p> </div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p><br/> </p> <div class="navbox-styles"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1236075235"></div><div role="navigation" class="navbox" aria-labelledby="23px_State_of_New_York" style="padding:3px"><table class="nowraplinks mw-collapsible uncollapsed navbox-inner" style="border-spacing:0;background:transparent;color:inherit"><tbody><tr><th scope="col" class="navbox-title" colspan="2" style="background:#cddeff;"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239400231"><div class="navbar plainlinks hlist navbar-mini"><ul><li class="nv-view"><a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box" title="Template:US state navigation box"><abbr title="View this template">v</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-talk"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><abbr title="Discuss this template">t</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-edit"><a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Template:US_state_navigation_box" title="Special:EditPage/Template:US state navigation box"><abbr title="Edit this template">e</abbr></a></li></ul></div><div id="23px_State_of_New_York" style="font-size:114%;margin:0 4em"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_New_York.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_New_York.svg/23px-Flag_of_New_York.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_New_York.svg/35px-Flag_of_New_York.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_New_York.svg/46px-Flag_of_New_York.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="450"/></a></span> <a href="/wiki/U.S._state" title="U.S. state">State</a> of <a href="/wiki/New_York" class="mw-disambig" title="New York">New York</a></div></th></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" colspan="2" style="background:#cddeff;"><div><a href="/wiki/Albany,_New_York" title="Albany, New York">Albany</a> (<a href="/wiki/List_of_capitals_in_the_United_States" title="List of capitals in the United States">capital</a>)</div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="background:#cddeff;;width:1%"><a href="/wiki/Category:New_York" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:New York">Topics</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"><div> <p><a href="/wiki/History_of_New_York" class="mw-disambig" title="History of New York">History</a> | <a href="/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_New_York" class="mw-disambig" title="List of colleges and universities in New York">Education</a> | <a href="/wiki/Politics_of_New_York" class="mw-disambig" title="Politics of New York">Politics</a> | ... </p> </div></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="background:#cddeff;;width:1%"><a href="/wiki/Regions_of_the_United_States#New_York" class="mw-redirect" title="Regions of the United States">Regions</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"><div> <p><a href="/wiki/Adirondack_Mountains" title="Adirondack Mountains">Adirondack Mountains</a> | <a href="/wiki/Capital_District" class="mw-disambig" title="Capital District">Capital District</a> | <a href="/wiki/Catskill_Mountains" title="Catskill Mountains">Catskill Mountains</a> | ... </p> </div></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="background:#cddeff;;width:1%"><a href="/wiki/List_of_cities_in_New_York" class="mw-redirect" title="List of cities in New York">Metro areas</a></th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"><div> <p><a href="/wiki/Albany,_New_York" title="Albany, New York">Albany</a>/<a href="/wiki/Schenectady,_New_York" title="Schenectady, New York">Schenectady</a>/<a href="/wiki/Troy,_New_York" title="Troy, New York">Troy</a> | <a href="/wiki/Binghamton,_New_York" title="Binghamton, New York">Binghamton</a> | <a href="/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York" title="Buffalo, New York">Buffalo</a>/<a href="/wiki/Niagara_Falls,_New_York" title="Niagara Falls, New York">Niagara Falls</a> | ... </p> </div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>What do others think of this change? Note that I also proposed something similar <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:US_county_navigation_box#Reducing_title.27s_double_line_into_single_line" title="Template talk:US county navigation box">here</a> for county navboxes. --<a href="/wiki/User:CapitalR" title="User:CapitalR">CapitalR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CapitalR" title="User talk:CapitalR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z-Standardizing_this_template's_look" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z-Standardizing_this_template's_look"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z-Standardizing_this_template's_look"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-2010-04-20T22:57:00.000Z-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (User:<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Andy's talk</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Pigsonthewing-2010-04-20T22:57:00.000Z-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-2010-04-20T22:57:00.000Z-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-2010-04-20T22:57:00.000Z-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Plastikspork-2010-04-21T01:54:00.000Z-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> Sounds like a good plan. <a href="/wiki/User:Plastikspork" title="User:Plastikspork">Plastikspork</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plastikspork" title="User talk:Plastikspork"><sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Plastikspork-2010-04-21T01:54:00.000Z-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Plastikspork-2010-04-21T01:54:00.000Z-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Plastikspork-2010-04-21T01:54:00.000Z-CapitalR-2010-04-20T09:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CapitalR-2010-04-23T19:26:00.000Z-Plastikspork-2010-04-21T01:54:00.000Z"></span>Okay, I'm going to be bold and make the change. If there's a lot of fallout, I can always revert myself. From past experience, people tend to get pretty protective of their own state's template look, so hopefully this won't be too painful. --<a href="/wiki/User:CapitalR" title="User:CapitalR">CapitalR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CapitalR" title="User talk:CapitalR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-CapitalR-2010-04-23T19:26:00.000Z-Plastikspork-2010-04-21T01:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 23 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CapitalR-2010-04-23T19:26:00.000Z-Plastikspork-2010-04-21T01:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CapitalR-2010-04-23T19:26:00.000Z-Plastikspork-2010-04-21T01:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Remove_flags" data-mw-thread-id="h-Remove_flags-2010-11-13T01:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Remove_flags-2010-11-13T01:22:00.000Z"></span>Remove flags<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Remove_flags-2010-11-13T01:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Remove flags"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><code><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnevin-2010-11-13T01:22:00.000Z-Remove_flags"></span>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Editprotect" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editprotect">editprotect</a>}}</code> Can you please remove the flags per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ICONDECORATION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ICONDECORATION">WP:ICONDECORATION</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Gnevin" title="User:Gnevin">Gnevin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnevin" title="User talk:Gnevin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Gnevin-2010-11-13T01:22:00.000Z-Remove_flags" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:22, 13 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnevin-2010-11-13T01:22:00.000Z-Remove_flags"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnevin-2010-11-13T01:22:00.000Z-Remove_flags"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2010-11-15T12:45:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-11-13T01:22:00.000Z"></span>This was last discussed in April above and a consensus developed for the current version. Therefore I am declining this request for now and ask that you start a discussion on the matter. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-MSGJ-2010-11-15T12:45:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-11-13T01:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2010-11-15T12:45:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-11-13T01:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2010-11-15T12:45:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-11-13T01:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Color_logic" data-mw-thread-id="h-Color_logic-2010-12-19T15:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Color_logic-2010-12-19T15:57:00.000Z"></span>Color logic<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Color_logic-2010-12-19T15:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Color logic"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><code><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.35.24.151-2010-12-19T15:57:00.000Z-Color_logic"></span>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Editrequest" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editrequest">editrequest</a>}}</code> Please change "<code>background:{{{color|#cddeff}}};</code>" to "<code>{{#if:{{{color|}}}|background:{{{color}}};}}</code>". The reasoning is that we should be using the default navigation box coloring unless it is specified otherwise. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.35.24.151" title="Special:Contributions/68.35.24.151">68.35.24.151</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:68.35.24.151" title="User talk:68.35.24.151">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-68.35.24.151-2010-12-19T15:57:00.000Z-Color_logic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 19 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.35.24.151-2010-12-19T15:57:00.000Z-Color_logic"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.35.24.151-2010-12-19T15:57:00.000Z-Color_logic"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zzyzx11-2010-12-19T16:39:00.000Z-68.35.24.151-2010-12-19T15:57:00.000Z"></span>Because there have been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_edit_war_over_the_colour_of_templates" title="Wikipedia:Don't edit war over the colour of templates">various edit wars about the colours of templates</a> in the past (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_California#colour_changes_to_ca_related_templates" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California">this recent discussion comes to my mind</a>), your request may be viewed as controversial, especially if the "#cddeff" is being used deliberately by consensus. I would prefer an indication that this is not the case, before any changes are made. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Zzyzx11" title="User:Zzyzx11">Zzyzx11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzyzx11" title="User talk:Zzyzx11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Zzyzx11-2010-12-19T16:39:00.000Z-68.35.24.151-2010-12-19T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 19 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zzyzx11-2010-12-19T16:39:00.000Z-68.35.24.151-2010-12-19T15:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zzyzx11-2010-12-19T16:39:00.000Z-68.35.24.151-2010-12-19T15:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T17:45:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2010-12-19T16:39:00.000Z"></span>As far as I can tell, this would not actually change the color of any of the templates using this meta-template. Looking at all the templates calling this one, all have either a blank value for <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|color=</code> or have explicitly specified the value. None have omitted this parameter completely, so this particular value was/is never being used (and this is even before the IP recently blanked many of them). The result of using a blank value is to say "background:" which is just bad coding and would be better to omit the value completely. So, I am going to go ahead an boldly make the change. Please ping me and/or revert if this has an unintended controversial consequence. <a href="/wiki/User:Plastikspork" title="User:Plastikspork">Plastikspork</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plastikspork" title="User talk:Plastikspork"><sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T17:45:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2010-12-19T16:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T17:45:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2010-12-19T16:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T17:45:00.000Z-Zzyzx11-2010-12-19T16:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T21:22:00.000Z-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T17:45:00.000Z"></span>It looks like the IPs edits have been rolled back per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a>, which was a good move given the numerous color edit wars. I am going to start some threads on the individual templates which have more odd color choices and I invite others to discuss if you are interested. <a href="/wiki/User:Plastikspork" title="User:Plastikspork">Plastikspork</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plastikspork" title="User talk:Plastikspork"><sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T21:22:00.000Z-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T17:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T21:22:00.000Z-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T17:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T21:22:00.000Z-Plastikspork-2010-12-19T17:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removing_unhelpful_link" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removing_unhelpful_link-2012-04-09T18:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removing_unhelpful_link-2012-04-09T18:10:00.000Z"></span>Removing unhelpful link<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removing_unhelpful_link-2012-04-09T18:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Removing unhelpful link"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-09T18:10:00.000Z-Removing_unhelpful_link"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="full"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please remove the piped link from 'capital' to <a href="/wiki/List_of_capitals_in_the_United_States" title="List of capitals in the United States">List of capitals in the United States</a>. This navbox is about an individual state. There is no reasonable likelihood that this US-wide link would be useful to someone looking at this navbox for an individual state. <a href="/wiki/User:Colonies_Chris" title="User:Colonies Chris">Colonies Chris</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Colonies_Chris" title="User talk:Colonies Chris">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-09T18:10:00.000Z-Removing_unhelpful_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-09T18:10:00.000Z-Removing_unhelpful_link"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-09T18:10:00.000Z-Removing_unhelpful_link"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thumperward-2012-04-11T10:21:00.000Z-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-09T18:10:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Thumperward" title="User:Thumperward">Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thumperward" title="User talk:Thumperward">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Thumperward-2012-04-11T10:21:00.000Z-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-09T18:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thumperward-2012-04-11T10:21:00.000Z-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-09T18:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thumperward-2012-04-11T10:21:00.000Z-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-09T18:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-12T09:04:00.000Z-Thumperward-2012-04-11T10:21:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Colonies_Chris" title="User:Colonies Chris">Colonies Chris</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Colonies_Chris" title="User talk:Colonies Chris">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-12T09:04:00.000Z-Thumperward-2012-04-11T10:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 12 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-12T09:04:00.000Z-Thumperward-2012-04-11T10:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Colonies_Chris-2012-04-12T09:04:00.000Z-Thumperward-2012-04-11T10:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request_on_13_April_2013" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request_on_13_April_2013-2013-04-13T00:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_on_13_April_2013-2013-04-13T00:19:00.000Z"></span>Edit request on 13 April 2013<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_on_13_April_2013-2013-04-13T00:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Edit request on 13 April 2013"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Frietjes-2013-04-13T00:19:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_13_April_2013"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="full"><tbody><tr><td 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Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="navbox-styles"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1236075235"></div><div role="navigation" class="navbox" aria-labelledby="&#123;&#123;&#123;type&#125;&#125;&#125;_of_&#123;&#123;&#123;name&#125;&#125;&#125;" style="padding:3px"><table class="nowraplinks mw-collapsible autocollapse navbox-inner" style="border-spacing:0;background:transparent;color:inherit"><tbody><tr><th scope="col" class="navbox-title" colspan="2"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239400231"><div class="navbar plainlinks hlist navbar-mini"><ul><li class="nv-view"><a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box" title="Template:US state navigation box"><abbr title="View this template">v</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-talk"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><abbr title="Discuss this template">t</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-edit"><a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Template:US_state_navigation_box" title="Special:EditPage/Template:US state navigation box"><abbr title="Edit this template">e</abbr></a></li></ul></div><div id="&#123;&#123;&#123;type&#125;&#125;&#125;_of_&#123;&#123;&#123;name&#125;&#125;&#125;" style="font-size:114%;margin:0 4em">{{{type}}} of {{{name}}}</div></th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%">group1</th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"></div><table class="nowraplinks navbox-subgroup" style="border-spacing:0"><tbody><tr><th id="group1a" scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%">group1a</th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em">list1a</div></td></tr></tbody></table><div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div> <div class="navbox-styles"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1236075235"></div><div role="navigation" class="navbox" aria-labelledby="&#123;&#123;&#123;type&#125;&#125;&#125;_of_&#123;&#123;&#123;name&#125;&#125;&#125;" style="padding:3px"><table class="nowraplinks mw-collapsible autocollapse navbox-inner" style="border-spacing:0;background:transparent;color:inherit"><tbody><tr><th scope="col" class="navbox-title" colspan="2"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239400231"><div class="navbar plainlinks hlist navbar-mini"><ul><li class="nv-view"><a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box/sandbox" title="Template:US state navigation box/sandbox"><abbr title="View this template">v</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-talk"><a href="/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box/sandbox" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:US state navigation box/sandbox"><abbr title="Discuss this template">t</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-edit"><a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Template:US_state_navigation_box/sandbox" title="Special:EditPage/Template:US state navigation box/sandbox"><abbr title="Edit this template">e</abbr></a></li></ul></div><div id="&#123;&#123;&#123;type&#125;&#125;&#125;_of_&#123;&#123;&#123;name&#125;&#125;&#125;" style="font-size:114%;margin:0 4em">{{{type}}} of {{{name}}}</div></th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%">group1</th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"></div><table class="nowraplinks navbox-subgroup" style="border-spacing:0"><tbody><tr><th id="group1a" scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%">group1a</th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em">list1a</div></td></tr></tbody></table><div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>please update to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:US_state_navigation_box/sandbox&oldid=550082535">this version</a> of the same box, which (1) removes the extraneous div tags from around the lists, and (2) allows for alternative use of listX, which is compatible with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Navbox" title="Template:Navbox">navbox</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, and we are already allowing for groupX. </p><p>note that the double div causes a gap when you try to embed navbox subgroups. and this will fix that problem (see the example above which shows the spacing between group1 and group1a). <a href="/wiki/User:Frietjes" title="User:Frietjes">Frietjes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Frietjes" title="User talk:Frietjes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Frietjes-2013-04-13T00:19:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_13_April_2013" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 13 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Frietjes-2013-04-13T00:19:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_13_April_2013"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Frietjes-2013-04-13T00:19:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_13_April_2013"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-04-13T07:33:00.000Z-Frietjes-2013-04-13T00:19:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Done</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Redrose64-2013-04-13T07:33:00.000Z-Frietjes-2013-04-13T00:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:33, 13 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Template-protected edit request on 27 September 2014"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_September_2014"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please add a <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|flag_border=</code> parameter to allow <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ohio" title="Template:Ohio">Ohio</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to opt out of a border around its non-rectangular flag. See <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/627248151" title="Special:Diff/627248151">Special:Diff/627248151</a> for the proposed change. Thanks! – <a href="/wiki/User:Mxn" title="User:Mxn">Minh Nguyễn</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mxn" title="User talk:Mxn">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mxn" title="Special:Contributions/Mxn">contribs</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_September_2014" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_September_2014"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_September_2014"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SiBr4-2014-09-27T09:28:00.000Z-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z"></span>Wouldn't it be a better idea to use a flag template for the flag icon? <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/627258367" title="Special:Diff/627258367">Coding like this</a> automatically generates the state's flag and removes the border in the case of Ohio (assuming <code>{{{state}}}</code> is the state name, which it turns out to not be). I've also tried making the flagdeco template a fallback in case no image is specified (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:US_state_navigation_box/sandbox&diff=627259595&oldid=627258367">sandbox diff</a>/<a href="/wiki/Template:US_state_navigation_box/testcases" title="Template:US state navigation box/testcases">testcase</a>), since the available parameters may not correspond to the country data template title in all cases. <span style="font-family:serif;"><a href="/wiki/User:SiBr4" title="User:SiBr4">SiBr<sub>4</sub></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SiBr4" title="User talk:SiBr4">talk</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-SiBr4-2014-09-27T09:28:00.000Z-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 27 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SiBr4-2014-09-27T09:28:00.000Z-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SiBr4-2014-09-27T09:28:00.000Z-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SiBr4-2014-09-27T11:55:00.000Z-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z"></span>I've tested a version with flag templates only (which ignores the <code>{{{flag_image}}}</code> parameter altogether) for all states/territories and it doesn't change anything except for a few of them: for <a href="/wiki/Template:Ohio" title="Template:Ohio">Ohio</a> the border is removed as requested, for <a href="/wiki/Template:Utah" title="Template:Utah">Utah</a> the flag icon changes to the updated post-2011 flag, for <a href="/wiki/Template:United_States_Virgin_Islands" title="Template:United States Virgin Islands">USVI</a> a flag icon is added where it currently has none, and for the historical <a href="/wiki/Template:State_of_Franklin" title="Template:State of Franklin">Franklin</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:Jefferson_Territory" title="Template:Jefferson Territory">Jefferson</a> a big redlink is added because they don't have country data templates. For the latter three the flag icon could be disabled again by setting a new parameter (<code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|state_name=</code> as it is called in the current sandbox version, though <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|flag_name=</code> would be clearer) to "none". So a <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Flagdeco" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Flagdeco">flagdeco</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> icon being a fallback of a manual image with <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|flag_image=</code> isn't actually necessary.</dd> <dd>TL;DR summary of my above comments: using <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Flagdeco" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Flagdeco">flagdeco</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for the flag image automatically removes the border for Ohio without noticeably changing the navboxes for other states, so I'm going to do that instead. <span style="font-family:serif;"><a href="/wiki/User:SiBr4" title="User:SiBr4">SiBr<sub>4</sub></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SiBr4" title="User talk:SiBr4">talk</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-SiBr4-2014-09-27T11:55:00.000Z-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SiBr4-2014-09-27T11:55:00.000Z-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SiBr4-2014-09-27T11:55:00.000Z-Mxn-2014-09-27T06:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mxn-2014-09-27T23:02:00.000Z-SiBr4-2014-09-27T11:55:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, that sounds good to me. – <a href="/wiki/User:Mxn" title="User:Mxn">Minh Nguyễn</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mxn" title="User talk:Mxn">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mxn" title="Special:Contributions/Mxn">contribs</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Mxn-2014-09-27T23:02:00.000Z-SiBr4-2014-09-27T11:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 27 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mxn-2014-09-27T23:02:00.000Z-SiBr4-2014-09-27T11:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mxn-2014-09-27T23:02:00.000Z-SiBr4-2014-09-27T11:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Additional_section_needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Additional_section_needed-2018-04-26T21:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Additional_section_needed-2018-04-26T21:57:00.000Z"></span>Additional section needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Additional_section_needed-2018-04-26T21:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Additional section needed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RSStockdale-2018-04-26T21:57:00.000Z-Additional_section_needed"></span>Please add a section 9. Needed by the Florida infobox. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:RSStockdale" title="User:RSStockdale">RSStockdale</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RSStockdale" title="User talk:RSStockdale">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-RSStockdale-2018-04-26T21:57:00.000Z-Additional_section_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 26 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RSStockdale-2018-04-26T21:57:00.000Z-Additional_section_needed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RSStockdale-2018-04-26T21:57:00.000Z-Additional_section_needed"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Below" data-mw-thread-id="h-Below-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Below-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z"></span>Below<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Below-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Below"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z-Below"></span>This template passes through the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|belowclass=</code> parameter but not <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|below=</code>. Is that deliberate? It would be helpful to be able to add a footer linking to any book, category, outline, portal etc. relating to the state. <a href="/wiki/User:Certes" title="User:Certes">Certes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Certes" title="User talk:Certes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z-Below" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 18 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z-Below"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z-Below"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dreamy_Jazz-2019-01-11T18:55:00.000Z-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Certes" title="User:Certes">Certes</a>:</span> <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Done</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Dreamy_Jazz" title="User:Dreamy Jazz">Dreamy <i style="color:#d01e1e"><b>Jazz</b></i></a> 🎷 <sup><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dreamy_Jazz" title="User talk:Dreamy Jazz">talk to me</a></i> | <i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dreamy_Jazz" title="Special:Contributions/Dreamy Jazz">my contributions</a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Dreamy_Jazz-2019-01-11T18:55:00.000Z-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 11 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dreamy_Jazz-2019-01-11T18:55:00.000Z-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dreamy_Jazz-2019-01-11T18:55:00.000Z-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:57:00.000Z-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z"></span>[ec] I agree that this would be useful. Unless there is evidence of a consensus to leave it out, I suggest you assume that it was not intentional and fix it if you can. · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood"><sup>(talk)</sup></a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:57:00.000Z-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 11 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:57:00.000Z-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:57:00.000Z-Certes-2018-09-18T15:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:58:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:57:00.000Z"></span>Better late than never I guess. · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood"><sup>(talk)</sup></a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:58:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 11 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:58:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:58:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2019-01-11T18:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Remove_flags..._again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Remove_flags..._again-20220913000700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Remove_flags..._again-20220913000700"></span>Remove flags... again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Remove_flags..._again-20220913000700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Remove flags... again"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thrakkx-20220913000700-Remove_flags..._again"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_225#MOS:DECOR_and_navboxes" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 225">This recent MOS discussion</a> came to the unanimous conclusion that flags and seals do not belong in navboxes, and they specifically cited navboxes that use this template as examples to form this conclusion. The flag code should be removed. This has also been <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Remove_flags">proposed before</a> and rejected on weak arguments. <a href="/wiki/User:Thrakkx" title="User:Thrakkx">Thrakkx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thrakkx" title="User talk:Thrakkx">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Thrakkx-20220913000700-Remove_flags..._again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thrakkx-20220913000700-Remove_flags..._again"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thrakkx-20220913000700-Remove_flags..._again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thrakkx-20220930000400-Thrakkx-20220913000700"></span>Since <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SILENCE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SILENCE">nobody has protested</a> in 2 weeks, adding formal edit request. <a href="/wiki/User:Thrakkx" title="User:Thrakkx">Thrakkx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thrakkx" title="User talk:Thrakkx">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Thrakkx-20220930000400-Thrakkx-20220913000700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 30 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thrakkx-20220930000400-Thrakkx-20220913000700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thrakkx-20220930000400-Thrakkx-20220913000700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20220930030300-Thrakkx-20220930000400"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Completed</b></span>. <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> , <a href="/wiki/Editor" class="mw-redirect" title="Editor"><span style="color:black">ed.</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>put'r there</sup></a> <small><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box#c-Paine_Ellsworth-20220930030300-Thrakkx-20220930000400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20220930030300-Thrakkx-20220930000400"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20220930030300-Thrakkx-20220930000400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&oldid=1238203077">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:US_state_navigation_box&oldid=1238203077</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_United_States_articles" title="Category:Template-Class United States articles">Template-Class United States articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_United_States_articles" title="Category:NA-importance United States articles">NA-importance United States articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_United_States_articles_of_NA-importance" title="Category:Template-Class United States articles of NA-importance">Template-Class United States articles of NA-importance</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_United_States_articles" title="Category:WikiProject United States articles">WikiProject United States articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 2 August 2024, at 17:17<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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