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class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>Sul rap siamo male informati</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 commenti</span> <ul id="toc-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rap_Italiano" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rap_Italiano"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>Rap Italiano</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Rap_Italiano-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Caparezza???" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Caparezza???"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Caparezza???</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 commento</span> <ul id="toc-Caparezza???-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Dal_'700_al_'900" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Dal_'700_al_'900"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Dal '700 al '900</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 commento</span> <ul id="toc-Dal_'700_al_'900-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show,_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_world" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show,_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_world"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>History : <i>H.I.P. H.O.P.</i> TV show, the very first fully hip-hop TV show in the world</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 commento</span> <ul id="toc-History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show,_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_world-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikilinks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikilinks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Wikilinks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 commento</span> <ul id="toc-Wikilinks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-nascita_genere" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#nascita_genere"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>nascita genere</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-nascita_genere-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Per_poter_rappare,_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali,_non_è_necessario_possedere_una_voce_eccellente." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Per_poter_rappare,_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali,_non_è_necessario_possedere_una_voce_eccellente."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Per poter rappare, a differenza degli altri generi musicali, non è necessario possedere una voce eccellente.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 commento</span> <ul id="toc-Per_poter_rappare,_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali,_non_è_necessario_possedere_una_voce_eccellente.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Marco_Piccolo" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Marco_Piccolo"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Marco Piccolo</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 commento</span> <ul id="toc-Marco_Piccolo-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Anni_Settanta" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Anni_Settanta"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Anni Settanta</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 commento</span> <ul id="toc-Anni_Settanta-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Origine_del_termine" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Origine_del_termine"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Origine del termine</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 commenti</span> <ul id="toc-Origine_del_termine-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="mw-content-container"> <main id="content" class="mw-body"> <header class="mw-body-header vector-page-titlebar"> <nav aria-label="Indice" class="vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-titlebar-toc vector-button-flush-left" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Mostra/Nascondi l'indice" > <label id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-label" for="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-listBullet mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-listBullet"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Mostra/Nascondi l'indice</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> </div> </div> </div> </nav> <h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading mw-first-heading"><span class="mw-page-title-namespace">Discussione</span><span class="mw-page-title-separator">:</span><span class="mw-page-title-main">Rap</span></h1> <div id="p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown mw-portlet mw-portlet-lang mw-portlet-lang-icon-only" > <input type="checkbox" id="p-lang-btn-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox mw-interlanguage-selector-empty" aria-label="Questa voce esiste solo in questa lingua. 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aria-label="Aspetto"> <div id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> <div id="vector-appearance" class="vector-appearance vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-appearance-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-pinned" data-feature-name="appearance-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-appearance" data-pinned-container-id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-appearance-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Aspetto</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.pin">sposta nella barra laterale</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.unpin">nascondi</button> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div id="bodyContent" class="vector-body" aria-labelledby="firstHeading" data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">Da Wikipedia, l'enciclopedia libera.</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="it" dir="ltr"><meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fonti" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fonti"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fonti"></span>Fonti<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fonti"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section's source code: Fonti"><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>é molto impreciso, tratta principalmente i Rapper di maggior spessore, non riesce a delimitare bene la differenza tra Hip Hop e Rap cosa che tantissimi italiani non hanno capito, non c'è neanche una foto di un MC afroamericano ma ci sono solo i pochi bianchi conosciuti per il rap, ok mettere Eminem che è il rapper più mainstream in assoluto tanto che molti pensano pure che sia il migliore al mondo, ma almeno mettete uno qualsiasi tra questi che hanno fatto la storia del genere e li segue solo chi davvero vuole avvicinarsi al rap e alla cultura Hip Hop, Grandmaster Flash, SugarHill Gang, Nas, Notorius B.I.G., Dr Dre, Rakim, Wu tang </p><p>A me da l'impressione di essere stato preso da qualche parte ma non ho trovato alcuna fonte. Ha comunque ancora bisogno di una sistemata. Sbisolo </p><p>Non sono sicura che sia copiato da qualche parte: è troppo discorsivo e abbastanza confusionario... sembra un po' la ricerca di uno studente con le idee un po' poco chiare. A parte la wikificazione, che ho più o meno terminato, andrebbe <i>pesantemente</i> rivisto. </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Utente:Frieda" title="Utente:Frieda">Frieda</a> 14:14, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>Concordo. E mi sembra assolutamente non completa come voce. Insomma impressioni per certi versi simili a quelle su <a href="/wiki/Tupac_Shakur" title="Tupac Shakur">Tupac Shakur</a>. </p> <dl><dd>ciao --Balubino (<a href="/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Balubino" title="Discussioni utente:Balubino">discutimi</a>) 22:08, Dic 1, 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>Sono Dipo..un B-Boy da anni..direi una decina. ho cercato di aggiustare questa pagina, ma i casini che ho letto, sono troppi per raddrizzare sta pagina !! spero di aver presto il tempo di dire le cose come stanno avevo iniziato col Writing, ora mi sono evoluto come Aerografista. ho il Rap dentro da quando avevo una 20 anni, e ora sono intorno ai 30. vedrò cosda posso fare. la cosa PEGGIORE che ho letto, è stato che Dre e Puff Daddy hanno lanciato tupac e Notorious BIG !! esattamente il contrario !!!!!!!!!!!! soprattutto perchè tupac e notorious BIG sono morti quando Dre e Puff Daddy erano 2 MC pressocchè sconosciuti !! <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.dipoairstyle.net">http://www.dipoairstyle.net</a> </p><p>Non ho capito come funzionano le discussioni su wikipedia, spero sia questo il modo giusto: mi dispiace contraddirti ma è così, Puff Daddy ha lanciato Notorious BIG, anche se lui stesso ha debuttato come rapper dopo la sua morte. Per quanto riguarda 2pac, Dr Dre l'ha fatto firmare quando già aveva pubblicato dei dischi, ma dire che era sconosciuto è veramente da ignoranti, perdonami. Dr. Dre è stato da sempre un rapper famosissimo, esordito negli anni '80 con uno dei gruppi più influenti in assoluto, gli N.W.A. Ti basta leggere gli articoli wikipedia di questi personaggi per trovare riscontro. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati-2006-01-24T21:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati-2006-01-24T21:24:00.000Z"></span>Sul rap siamo male informati<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati-2006-01-24T21:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section's source code: Sul rap siamo male informati"><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div><span style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: white; background: blue; font-weight: bold; border: 1px solid black; font-stretch: ultra-condensed"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Twice25-2006-01-29T00:29:00.000Z-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati"></span>cb</span> <i>La discussione proviene dalla pagina <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar" title="Wikipedia:Bar">wikipedia:bar</a></b></i>.<br/> <small>– Il <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Cambusa" title="Wikipedia:Cambusa">cambusiere</a> <a href="/wiki/Utente:Twice25" title="Utente:Twice25">rapper ^^</a> <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-Twice25-2006-01-29T00:29:00.000Z-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 29 gen 2006 (CET)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Twice25-2006-01-29T00:29:00.000Z-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Twice25-2006-01-29T00:29:00.000Z-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Civvi-2006-01-24T21:24:00.000Z-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati"></span>io non so bene usare wikipedia ma ci sarebbe da mettere mano alla pagina sul rap leggo: </p><p>Il manifesto di tutto questo fu "Batti il tuo tempo", col quale l'Isola Posse di Bologna invitava a combattere la disinformazione imperante a colpi di rap. </p><p>BATTI IL TUO TEMPO è degli ONDA ROSSA POSSE DI ROMA!!! <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080101000000/http://it.geocities.com/canidellastrada/home.htm">http://web.archive.org/web/20080101000000/http://it.geocities.com/canidellastrada/home.htm</a> </p><p>chi sa farlo faccia qualcosa.. grazie e ciao </p> <dl><dd>Uhm...così come sei riuscito a modificare questa pagina puoi modificare la pagina in questione, no? :-) --<a href="/wiki/Utente:Civvi" class="mw-redirect" title="Utente:Civvi"><span style="color:#C00090"><kbd>Civvì</kbd></span></a> <a href="/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Civvi" class="mw-redirect" title="Discussioni utente:Civvi"><sup>talk</sup></a> <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-Civvi-2006-01-24T21:24:00.000Z-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 24 gen 2006 (CET)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Civvi-2006-01-24T21:24:00.000Z-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Civvi-2006-01-24T21:24:00.000Z-Sul_rap_siamo_male_informati"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Senpaiottolo-2006-01-25T11:33:00.000Z-Civvi-2006-01-24T21:24:00.000Z"></span>Segnalo, oltretutto, che c'è nell'area la creazione di un sotto progetto RAP/R&B, solo che mancano aderenti, magari fatti vedere in <a href="/wiki/Discussioni_Wikipedia:Progetto_Musica" class="mw-redirect" title="Discussioni Wikipedia:Progetto Musica">Auditorium</a>.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=Utente:Senpaiottolo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Senpaiottolo (la pagina non esiste)"><span style="color:black"><b>Ş€ņpãİ-26 - おたく</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Senpaiottolo" title="Discussioni utente:Senpaiottolo"><b>scrivimi</b></a> <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-Senpaiottolo-2006-01-25T11:33:00.000Z-Civvi-2006-01-24T21:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:33, 25 gen 2006 (CET)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Senpaiottolo-2006-01-25T11:33:00.000Z-Civvi-2006-01-24T21:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Senpaiottolo-2006-01-25T11:33:00.000Z-Civvi-2006-01-24T21:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rap_Italiano" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rap_Italiano"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rap_Italiano"></span>Rap Italiano<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rap_Italiano"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section's source code: Rap Italiano"><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>ma nessuno ne parla? nessuno cita grandi come caparezza e franki hi nrg portano alta la bandiera del rap made in italy? </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Caparezza???" data-mw-thread-id="h-Caparezza???-2007-02-13T22:50:00.000Z"><span id="Caparezza.3F.3F.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Caparezza???-2007-02-13T22:50:00.000Z"></span>Caparezza???<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Caparezza???-2007-02-13T22:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section's source code: Caparezza???"><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Armi_e_ritagli-2007-02-13T22:50:00.000Z-Caparezza???"></span>Ma Caparezza fa rap??? <a href="/wiki/Utente:Jessy92" title="Utente:Jessy92">Jessy92</a> </p> <dl><dd>Non fa solo quello. Se poi come rap intendi l'attitudine piuttosto che il genere, è un altra questione. --<a href="/wiki/Utente:Armi_e_ritagli" class="mw-redirect" title="Utente:Armi e ritagli">Dr. Dre & Mr. Sandman</a> <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-Armi_e_ritagli-2007-02-13T22:50:00.000Z-Caparezza???" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 13 feb 2007 (CET)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Armi_e_ritagli-2007-02-13T22:50:00.000Z-Caparezza???"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Armi_e_ritagli-2007-02-13T22:50:00.000Z-Caparezza???"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dal_'700_al_'900" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dal_'700_al_'900-2007-08-11T07:32:00.000Z"><span id="Dal_.27700_al_.27900"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dal_'700_al_'900-2007-08-11T07:32:00.000Z"></span>Dal '700 al '900<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dal_'700_al_'900-2007-08-11T07:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section's source code: Dal '700 al '900"><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dipa-2007-08-11T07:32:00.000Z-Dal_'700_al_'900"></span>Propongo la rimozione del suddetto capitolo causa inesattezze e baggianate sulla storia della musica afroamericana. Si potrebbe semplicemente rimandare a una voce meglio strutturata. --<a href="/wiki/Utente:Dipa" title="Utente:Dipa">dipa</a> <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-Dipa-2007-08-11T07:32:00.000Z-Dal_'700_al_'900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:32, 11 ago 2007 (CEST)</a> cel mai tare rap a sa fie mereu ala din america <i>American rap 4evah</i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dipa-2007-08-11T07:32:00.000Z-Dal_'700_al_'900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dipa-2007-08-11T07:32:00.000Z-Dal_'700_al_'900"></span> </p><p>del rap voi non sapete niente è musica che si fa con il coure e con la mente!!! </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show,_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_world" data-mw-thread-id="h-History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show,_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_wor-2008-05-22T18:46:00.000Z"><span id="History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show.2C_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_world"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show,_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_wor-2008-05-22T18:46:00.000Z"></span>History : <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=H.I.P._H.O.P.&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="H.I.P. H.O.P. (la pagina non esiste)">H.I.P. H.O.P.</a></i> TV show, the very first fully hip-hop TV show in the world<span data-mw-comment-end="h-History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show,_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_wor-2008-05-22T18:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section's source code: History : H.I.P. H.O.P. TV show, the very first fully hip-hop TV show in the world"><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Www.why-2008-05-22T18:46:00.000Z-History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show,_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_wor"></span>First, please excuse my bad english, i'm french ! </p><p>I don't speak italian. </p><p>So, it's up to you to draw your own conclusions here and publish these informations : </p><p>The subject : in 1984, was created in France the first fully hip hop TV show in the world (so before american hip hop TV shows), named <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=H.I.P._H.O.P.&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="H.I.P. H.O.P. (la pagina non esiste)">H.I.P. H.O.P.</a></i>, imagined and presented by Sidney. </p><p>So, i think it's impossible to avoid speaking about this TV show in a hip hop history article. How not to mention this world history fact ? </p><p>In added, Sidney was the first black announcer in the french TV history. </p><p>(What a very hip-hop symbol ! It was one of the first time in the world, maybe the first, that hip-hop made the proof it could change society. But this may be an opinion...) </p><p>In added, by the fact with the TV show, Sidney is the first french famous rap singer, not Dee Nasty, as said in some of wikipedia articles. </p><p>Dee Nasty made the first french rap album, in the end of 1984, which is the second stage of hip-hop french history, but nobody heard about it at this moment, it takes for him many years before becoming more famous. Sidney made before him the first french rap single (in particular, the TV show song), and immediatly famous by the TV show. </p><p>It's important to say that all officials french medias say exactly the same thing, without any contradictions. </p><p>Here are links, to help to think about it : </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://univ-admin.umusic.fr/servlet/FrontCreatorServlet?action=biography&artiste_id=94727">About <i>H.I.P. H.O.P.</i> and Sidney on Universal Music France official web site </a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.mcm.net/musique/cdenecoute/23728/">About <i>H.I.P. H.O.P.</i> and Sidney on MCM TV official web site </a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.univ-lyon2.fr/etu1060/0/fiche___article/">About <i>H.I.P. H.O.P.</i> and Sidney on a french hip-hop history resume, from "Festival l'Original 84-04"</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/sidney%2Bhip%2Bhop/video/x4xwui_hiphop-sydney_music">Extract from one show </a></li></ul> <p>Thanks </p><p>N.B. : the show had guests such as <a href="/wiki/Sugarhill_Gang" class="mw-redirect" title="Sugarhill Gang">Sugarhill Gang</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kurtis_Blow" title="Kurtis Blow">Kurtis Blow</a>, <a href="/wiki/Afrika_Bambaataa" title="Afrika Bambaataa">Afrika Bambaataa</a>, <a href="/wiki/Herbie_Hancock" title="Herbie Hancock">Herbie Hancock</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Breaks" title="The Breaks">The Breaks</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Tribe" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="The Tribe">The Tribe</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=The_Art_Of_Noise&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="The Art Of Noise (la pagina non esiste)">The Art Of Noise</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=The_Rock_Steady_Crew&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="The Rock Steady Crew (la pagina non esiste)">The Rock Steady Crew</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Futura_2000&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Futura 2000 (la pagina non esiste)">Futura 2000</a>, and many more. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Utente:Www.why&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Www.why (la pagina non esiste)">Www.why</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:Www.why&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:Www.why (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-Www.why-2008-05-22T18:46:00.000Z-History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show,_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_wor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 22 mag 2008 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Www.why-2008-05-22T18:46:00.000Z-History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show,_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_wor"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Www.why-2008-05-22T18:46:00.000Z-History_:_H.I.P._H.O.P._TV_show,_the_very_first_fully_hip-hop_TV_show_in_the_wor"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikilinks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikilinks-2009-06-29T19:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikilinks-2009-06-29T19:57:00.000Z"></span>Wikilinks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikilinks-2009-06-29T19:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section's source code: Wikilinks"><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrea.dematteis.1987-2009-06-29T19:57:00.000Z-Wikilinks"></span>C'è un po' di casino, la pagina andrebbe linkata a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hip_hop_music" class="extiw" title="en:hip hop music">en:hip hop music</a>, e la pagina <a href="/wiki/Hip_hop" title="Hip hop">hip hop</a> andrebbe collegata a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hip_hop" class="extiw" title="en:hip hop">en:hip hop</a> e non a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hip_hop_music" class="extiw" title="en:hip hop music">en:hip hop music</a> come adesso --<a href="/wiki/Utente:Andrea.dematteis.1987" title="Utente:Andrea.dematteis.1987">Dema</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Andrea.dematteis.1987" title="Discussioni utente:Andrea.dematteis.1987">msg</a>) <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-Andrea.dematteis.1987-2009-06-29T19:57:00.000Z-Wikilinks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 29 giu 2009 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrea.dematteis.1987-2009-06-29T19:57:00.000Z-Wikilinks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrea.dematteis.1987-2009-06-29T19:57:00.000Z-Wikilinks"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="nascita_genere" data-mw-thread-id="h-nascita_genere"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-nascita_genere"></span>nascita genere<span data-mw-comment-end="h-nascita_genere"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section's source code: nascita genere"><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>salve a tutti questo genere e nato sul finire anni 60 da dj kool herc, sono un appassionato rap dal 75 o più o meno in quel tempo ! </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Per_poter_rappare,_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali,_non_è_necessario_possedere_una_voce_eccellente." data-mw-thread-id="h-Per_poter_rappare,_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali,_non_è_necessario_p-2014-01-05T03:18:00.000Z"><span id="Per_poter_rappare.2C_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali.2C_non_.C3.A8_necessario_possedere_una_voce_eccellente."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Per_poter_rappare,_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali,_non_è_necessario_p-2014-01-05T03:18:00.000Z"></span>Per poter rappare, a differenza degli altri generi musicali, non è necessario possedere una voce eccellente.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Per_poter_rappare,_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali,_non_è_necessario_p-2014-01-05T03:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section's source code: Per poter rappare, a differenza degli altri generi musicali, non è necessario possedere una voce eccellente."><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-89.217.44.116-2014-01-05T03:18:00.000Z-Per_poter_rappare,_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali,_non_è_necessario_p"></span>--<a href="/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/89.217.44.116" title="Speciale:Contributi/89.217.44.116">89.217.44.116</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:89.217.44.116&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:89.217.44.116 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 04:18, 5 gen 2014 (CET)Affermazione soggettiva. Per rappare BENE non è necessario saper modulare bene la voce per il pop, il rock o quant'altro, ma è necessario saper modulare bene la voce per il genere RAP e la base che hai sotto la mano. Ritengo che la frase sia da rimuovere o modificare (fallacia di pregiudizio).--<a href="/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/89.217.44.116" title="Speciale:Contributi/89.217.44.116">89.217.44.116</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:89.217.44.116&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:89.217.44.116 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-89.217.44.116-2014-01-05T03:18:00.000Z-Per_poter_rappare,_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali,_non_è_necessario_p" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:18, 5 gen 2014 (CET)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-89.217.44.116-2014-01-05T03:18:00.000Z-Per_poter_rappare,_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali,_non_è_necessario_p"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-89.217.44.116-2014-01-05T03:18:00.000Z-Per_poter_rappare,_a_differenza_degli_altri_generi_musicali,_non_è_necessario_p"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Marco_Piccolo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Marco_Piccolo-2014-06-16T10:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Marco_Piccolo-2014-06-16T10:07:00.000Z"></span>Marco Piccolo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Marco_Piccolo-2014-06-16T10:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section's source code: Marco Piccolo"><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dejudicibus-2014-06-16T10:07:00.000Z-Marco_Piccolo"></span>Non trovo alcun riferimento a <a href="/w/index.php?title=Marco_Piccolo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Marco Piccolo (la pagina non esiste)">Marco Piccolo</a> nella versione inglese dell'articolo. Qui viene menzionato addirittura come l'inventore del termine che tuttavia ha un etimo nell'oratoria americana, per cui sono molto perplesso. Siete sicuri di questa informazione? La fonte? --<a href="/wiki/Utente:Dejudicibus" title="Utente:Dejudicibus">Dario de Judicibus</a> <small> (<a href="/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Dejudicibus" title="Discussioni utente:Dejudicibus">Scrivimi</a>) </small> <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-Dejudicibus-2014-06-16T10:07:00.000Z-Marco_Piccolo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 16 giu 2014 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dejudicibus-2014-06-16T10:07:00.000Z-Marco_Piccolo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dejudicibus-2014-06-16T10:07:00.000Z-Marco_Piccolo"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Anni_Settanta" data-mw-thread-id="h-Anni_Settanta-2014-06-16T10:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Anni_Settanta-2014-06-16T10:20:00.000Z"></span>Anni Settanta<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Anni_Settanta-2014-06-16T10:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section's source code: Anni Settanta"><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dejudicibus-2014-06-16T10:20:00.000Z-Anni_Settanta"></span>Il rap è figlia della sottocultura hip hop, come la break dance, lo scratching e i graffiti, e dato che l'Hip Hop nasce negli anni Settanta forse sarebbe da modificare la frase "fine degli anni sessanta". --<a href="/wiki/Utente:Dejudicibus" title="Utente:Dejudicibus">Dario de Judicibus</a> <small> (<a href="/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Dejudicibus" title="Discussioni utente:Dejudicibus">Scrivimi</a>) </small> <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-Dejudicibus-2014-06-16T10:20:00.000Z-Anni_Settanta" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 16 giu 2014 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dejudicibus-2014-06-16T10:20:00.000Z-Anni_Settanta"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dejudicibus-2014-06-16T10:20:00.000Z-Anni_Settanta"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Origine_del_termine" data-mw-thread-id="h-Origine_del_termine-2014-07-14T10:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Origine_del_termine-2014-07-14T10:07:00.000Z"></span>Origine del termine<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Origine_del_termine-2014-07-14T10:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section's source code: Origine del termine"><span>modifica wikitesto</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shivanarayana-2014-07-14T10:07:00.000Z-Origine_del_termine"></span>L'aggiunta in precedenza di questo personaggio come inventore del nome del genere musicale Rap si tratta sicuramente di vandalismo. In precedenza era presente Joe Tex, più verosimilmente come inventore del nome. Propongo di verificare BENE quest'altro personaggio e di rintrodurlo se confermato. </p> <dl><dd><small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="/wiki/Utente:FreeWiki93" title="Utente:FreeWiki93">FreeWiki93</a>]</b></small> (ho tolto la menzione del furbetto dal titolo discussione) Ho dato un'occhiata veloce alla versione inglese e mi pare malamente referenziata, l'<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/08/magazine/on-language-the-rap-on-hip-hop.html">articolo</a> non dice quanto riportato. Al volo si potrebbe partire da <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://books.google.it/books?id=J4i3zV4vnBAC&pg=PA359">qui</a>, che dice poco ma in maniera affidabile, eventualmente indagando da <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/site/comments/rap_sheet/">qui</a> per approfondimenti con fonti affidabili?!--<a href="/wiki/Utente:Shivanarayana" title="Utente:Shivanarayana">Shivanarayana</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Shivanarayana" title="Discussioni utente:Shivanarayana">msg</a>) <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-Shivanarayana-2014-07-14T10:07:00.000Z-Origine_del_termine" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 14 lug 2014 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shivanarayana-2014-07-14T10:07:00.000Z-Origine_del_termine"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shivanarayana-2014-07-14T10:07:00.000Z-Origine_del_termine"></span></dd> <dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FreeWiki93-2014-07-14T10:24:00.000Z-Shivanarayana-2014-07-14T10:07:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="/wiki/Utente:Shivanarayana" title="Utente:Shivanarayana">Shivanarayana</a>]</b></small> Hai fatto bene a togliere il nome del "furbetto". Ad ogni modo credo che questa particolare sezione etimologica dell'argomento sia complessa e particolare anche solo citando fonti comunque poco influenti anche se non anonime. --<a href="/wiki/Utente:FreeWiki93" title="Utente:FreeWiki93">FreeWiki93</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussioni_utente:FreeWiki93" title="Discussioni utente:FreeWiki93">msg</a>) <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Rap#c-FreeWiki93-2014-07-14T10:24:00.000Z-Shivanarayana-2014-07-14T10:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 14 lug 2014 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FreeWiki93-2014-07-14T10:24:00.000Z-Shivanarayana-2014-07-14T10:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">rispondi</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FreeWiki93-2014-07-14T10:24:00.000Z-Shivanarayana-2014-07-14T10:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Estratto da "<a dir="ltr" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&oldid=90654351">https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Rap&oldid=90654351</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> Questa pagina è stata modificata per l'ultima volta il 24 ago 2017 alle 17:05.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Il testo è disponibile secondo la <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.it">licenza Creative Commons Attribuzione-Condividi allo stesso modo</a>; possono applicarsi condizioni ulteriori. 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