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title="Category:Redirects for discussion">all</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_9?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 9">closing</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log">log</a></li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <th class="sidebar-heading" style="font-size: 110%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion">Miscellany</a></th> </tr> <tr> <td class="sidebar-content hlist" style="margin-top:0;padding-top:0;font-size: 110%;border-bottom:1px solid #aaa;"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#February_16,_2025" title="Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion">today</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Miscellaneous_pages_for_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Miscellaneous pages for deletion">all</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Old_business" title="Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion">closing</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Archived_debates?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates">log</a></li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <th class="sidebar-heading" style="font-size: 110%;display:block;margin-top:0.4em;"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Speedy_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Speedy deletion">Speedy deletion</a></th> </tr> <tr> <td class="sidebar-content hlist" style="margin-top:0;padding-top:0;font-size: 110%"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Candidates for speedy deletion">candidates</a></li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <th class="sidebar-heading" style="font-size: 110%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">Proposed deletion</a></th> </tr> <tr> <td class="sidebar-content hlist" style="margin-top:0;padding-top:0;font-size: 110%"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:All_articles_proposed_for_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:All articles proposed for deletion">all</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SDZeroBot/PROD_sorting?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SDZeroBot/PROD sorting">sorted</a>)</li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion_of_biographies_of_living_people?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people">BLPs</a></li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sidebar-below" style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;font-weight:normal;padding-bottom:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #aaa;"> <ul> <li> <div class="hlist"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">Policy</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Process</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Guide to deletion">Guide</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_image_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Guide to image deletion">Images</a>)</li> </ul> </div></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_guidelines_for_administrators?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators">Administrator guidelines</a></li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sidebar-navbar"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><style 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title="Edit this template">e</abbr></a></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1246091330"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238256588">.mw-parser-output .review-forum{width:auto}.mw-parser-output .review-forum .sidebar-content{margin-top:0;padding-top:0}.mw-parser-output .review-forum .sidebar-heading{font-weight:normal}</style> <table class="sidebar nomobile nowraplinks hlist review-forum"> <tbody> <tr> <th class="sidebar-title"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Processes?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Formal_review" title="Wikipedia:Processes">Formal review processes</a></th> </tr> <tr> <td class="sidebar-content"> <ul> <li><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Deletion review</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Move review">Move review</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrative_action_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Administrative action review">Administrative action review</a></li> </ul> <hr></td> </tr> <tr> <th class="sidebar-heading">For RfCs, community discussions, and to review closes of other reviews:</th> </tr> <tr> <td class="sidebar-content"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">Administrators' noticeboard</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th class="sidebar-heading">In bot-related matters:</th> </tr> <tr> <td class="sidebar-content"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard">Bots noticeboard</a></li> </ul> <hr></td> </tr> <tr> <th class="sidebar-heading">Discussion about closes prior to closing:</th> </tr> <tr> <td class="sidebar-content"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Discussions_for_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Discussions for discussion">Discussions for discussion</a></li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="sidebar-navbar"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239400231"> <div class="navbar plainlinks hlist navbar-mini"> <ul> <li class="nv-view"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Review_forum?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Review forum"><abbr title="View this template">v</abbr></a></li> <li class="nv-talk"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Review_forum?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template talk:Review forum"><abbr title="Discuss this template">t</abbr></a></li> <li class="nv-edit"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EditPage/Template:Review_forum?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EditPage/Template:Review forum"><abbr title="Edit this template">e</abbr></a></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> Deletion review (DRV) is for reviewing <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">speedy deletions</a> and outcomes of <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Deletion_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">deletion discussions</a>. This includes appeals to delete pages kept after a prior discussion. If you are considering a request for a deletion review, please read the "<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Purpose">Purpose</a>" section below to make sure that is what you wish to do. Then, follow the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Instructions">instructions</a> below. <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"> <input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none"> <div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label> </div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Purpose">1 Purpose</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Instructions">2 Instructions</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-3"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Steps_to_list_a_new_deletion_review">2.1 Steps to list a new deletion review</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Commenting_in_a_deletion_review">2.2 Commenting in a deletion review</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-5"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Temporary_undeletion">2.3 Temporary undeletion</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-6"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Closing_reviews">2.4 Closing reviews</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-7"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Speedy_closes">2.4.1 Speedy closes</a></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Active_discussions">3 Active discussions</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#16_February_2025">3.1 16 February 2025</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#14_February_2025">3.2 14 February 2025</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Moeed_Pirzada_(closed)">3.2.1 Moeed Pirzada (closed)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Rajat_Verma_(closed)">3.2.2 Rajat Verma (closed)</a></li> </ul></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#13_February_2025">3.3 13 February 2025</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip">3.3.1 United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip</a></li> </ul></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#9_February_2025">3.4 9 February 2025</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Aer_Lingus_Flight_328">3.4.1 Aer Lingus Flight 328</a></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Recent_discussions">4 Recent discussions</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#8_February_2025">4.1 8 February 2025</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#7_February_2025">4.2 7 February 2025</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#6_February_2025">4.3 6 February 2025</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#5_February_2025">4.4 5 February 2025</a></li> </ul></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Archive">5 Archive</a></li> </ul> </div> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)"> <h2 id="Purpose" data-mw-thread-id="h-Purpose">Purpose</h2> </div> <section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> <div style="border:2px solid grey; padding: 2ex;"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1252059228"> <div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"> </div> <div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"> <div class="module-shortcutlist"> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcut</a> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"> <div class="plainlist"> <ul> <li><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DWikipedia:DRVPURPOSE%26redirect%3Dno">WP:DRVPURPOSE</a></li> </ul> </div> </div> Deletion review may be used: <ol> <li>if someone believes the closer of a <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Deletion_discussions_(Nominations_for_deletion)" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">deletion discussion</a> interpreted the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:ROUGH_CONSENSUS?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ROUGH CONSENSUS">consensus</a> incorrectly;</li> <li>if a <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">speedy deletion</a> was done outside of the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Criteria" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">criteria</a> or is otherwise disputed;</li> <li>if significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page;</li> <li>if a page has been wrongly deleted with no way to tell what exactly was deleted; or</li> <li>if there were substantial procedural errors in the deletion discussion or speedy deletion.</li> </ol> Deletion review should not be used: <ol> <li>because of a disagreement with the deletion discussion's outcome that does not involve the closer's judgment (a page may be <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Renominating_for_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Renominating for deletion">renominated after a reasonable timeframe</a>);</li> <li>(This point formerly required first consulting the deleting admin if possible. As per <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_review/Archives/2020/September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Consulting_deleting_admin" title="Wikipedia talk:Deletion review/Archives/2020/September">this discussion</a> an editor is not required to consult the closer of a deletion discussion (or the deleting admin for a speedy deletion) before starting a deletion review. However doing so is good practice, and can often save time and effort for all concerned. Notifying the closer is required.)</li> <li>to point out <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Other_stuff_exists?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Other stuff exists">other pages</a> that have or have not been deleted (as each page is different and stands or falls on its own merits);</li> <li>to challenge an article's deletion via the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed deletion</a> process, or to have the history of a deleted page restored behind a new, improved version of the page, called a history-only undeletion (please go to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion">Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion</a> for these);</li> <li>to repeat arguments already made in the deletion discussion;</li> <li>to argue technicalities (such as a deletion discussion being closed ten minutes early);</li> <li>to request that previously deleted content be used on other pages (please go to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion">Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion</a> for these requests);</li> <li>to attack other editors, cast aspersions, or make accusations of bias (such requests may be speedily closed);</li> <li>for uncontroversial undeletions, such as undeleting a very old article where substantial new sources have subsequently arisen. Use <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion">Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion</a> instead. (If any editor objects to the undeletion, then it is considered controversial and this forum may be used.)</li> <li>to ask for permission to write a new version of a page which was deleted, unless it has been <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:SALT?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SALT">protected against creation</a>. In general you don't need anyone's permission to recreate a deleted page, and if your new version does not qualify for deletion then it will not be deleted.</li> </ol> Copyright violating, libelous, or otherwise <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Legal" title="Wikipedia:List of policies">prohibited content</a> will not be restored. </div> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"> <h2 id="Instructions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Instructions">Instructions</h2> </div> <section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1252059228"> <div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"> </div> <div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"> <div class="module-shortcutlist"> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcut</a> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"> <div class="plainlist"> <ul> <li><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DWikipedia:DELREVD%26redirect%3Dno">WP:DELREVD</a></li> </ul> </div> </div> Before listing a review request, please: <ol> <li>Consider attempting to discuss the matter with the closer as this could resolve the matter more quickly. There could have been a mistake, miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and a full review may not be needed. Such discussion also gives the closer the opportunity to clarify the reasoning behind a decision.</li> <li>Check that it is not on the list of <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Perennial_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Perennial requests">perennial requests</a>. Repeated requests every time some new, tiny snippet appears on the web have a tendency to be counter-productive. It is almost always best to play the waiting game unless you can decisively overcome the issues identified at deletion.</li> </ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Steps_to_list_a_new_deletion_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-Steps_to_list_a_new_deletion_review-Instructions">Steps to list a new deletion review</h3> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238436933"> <table class="box-Warning plainlinks ombox ombox-content" role="presentation"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-image"> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/40px-Ambox_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="40" data-file-height="40"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 40px;height: 40px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/40px-Ambox_important.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="40" data-height="40" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/60px-Ambox_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/80px-Ambox_important.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </td> <td class="mbox-text" style="text-align: left;">If your request is completely non-controversial (e.g., restoring an article deleted with a <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:PROD?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROD">PROD</a>, restoring an image deleted for lack of adequate licensing information, asking that the history be emailed to you, etc), please use <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion">Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion</a> instead.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table style="border:solid 1px black; padding: 0.5em; width:100%;" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="background:#F5B158;text-align:center;" colspan="2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="background:#FDF5E4; width: 5%; text-align: center; vertical-align: top;"><big>1.</big></td> <td style="background:#FDF5E4; width:95%;"><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DWikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_February_16%26action%3Dedit%26section%3D1%26preload%3DWikipedia:Deletion_review/New_day">Click here</a> and paste the template skeleton at the top of the discussions (but not at the top of the page). Then fill in <code>page</code> with the name of the page, <code>xfd_page</code> with the name of the deletion discussion page (leave blank for speedy deletions), and <code>reason</code> with the reason why the discussion result should be changed. For media files, <code>article</code> is the name of the article where the file was used, and it shouldn't be used for any other page. For example:<pre>{{subst:drv2 |page=File:Foo.png |xfd_page=Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 February 19#Foo.png |article=Foo |reason= }} ~~~~ </pre></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="background:#FDF5E4; width: 5%; text-align: center; vertical-align: top;"><big>2.</big></td> <td style="background:#FDF5E4; width:95%;">Inform the editor who closed the deletion discussion by adding the following on their user talk page: <dl> <dd> <code>{{subst:<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:DRV_notice?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:DRV notice">DRV notice</a>|PAGE_NAME}} ~~~~</code> </dd> </dl></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="background:#FDF5E4; width: 5%; text-align: center; vertical-align: top;"><big>3.</big></td> <td style="background:#FDF5E4; width:95%;">For nominations to overturn and delete a page previously kept, attach <code><noinclude>{{Delrev|date=2025 February 16}}</noinclude></code> to the top of the page under review to inform current editors about the discussion.</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="background:#FDF5E4; width: 5%; text-align: center; vertical-align: top;"><big>4.</big></td> <td style="background:#FDF5E4; width:95%;padding-bottom:1em;">Leave notice of the deletion review outside of and above the original deletion discussion: <ul> <li>If the deletion discussion's subpage name is the same as the deletion review's section header, use <code><noinclude>{{Delrevxfd|date=2025 February 16}}</noinclude></code></li> <li>If the deletion discussion's subpage name is different from the deletion review's section header, then use <code><noinclude>{{Delrevxfd|date=2025 February 16|page=SECTION HEADER AT THE DELETION REVIEW LOG}}</noinclude></code></li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="background:#F5B158;text-align:center;" colspan="2"> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Commenting_in_a_deletion_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-Commenting_in_a_deletion_review-Instructions">Commenting in a deletion review</h3> </div> Any editor may express their opinion about an article or file being considered for deletion review. In the deletion review discussion, please type one of the following opinions preceded by an asterisk (*) and surrounded by three apostrophes (''') on either side. If you have additional thoughts to share, you may type this after the opinion. Place four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your entry, which should be placed below the entries of any previous editors: <ul> <li>Endorse the original closing decision; or</li> <li>Relist on the relevant deletion forum (usually <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">Articles for deletion</a>); or</li> <li>List, if the page was speedy deleted outside of the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">established criteria</a> and you believe it needs a full discussion at the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_debates?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Deletion debates">appropriate forum</a> to decide if it should be deleted; or</li> <li>Overturn the original decision and optionally an (action) per the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Guide to deletion">Guide to deletion</a>. For a keep decision, the default action associated with overturning is delete and vice versa. If an editor desires some action other than the default, they should make this clear; or</li> <li>Allow recreation of the page if new information is presented and deemed sufficient to permit recreation.</li> </ul> Examples of opinions for an article that had been deleted: <ul> <li>*'''Endorse''' The original closing decision looks like it was sound, no reason shown here to overturn it. ~~~~</li> <li>*'''Relist''' A new discussion at AfD should bring a more thorough discussion, given the new information shown here. ~~~~</li> <li>*'''Allow recreation''' The new information provided looks like it justifies recreation of the article from scratch if there is anyone willing to do the work. ~~~~</li> <li>*'''List''' Article was speedied without discussion, criteria given did not match the problem, full discussion at AfD looks warranted. ~~~~</li> <li>*'''Overturn and merge''' The article is a content fork, should have been merged into existing article on this topic rather than deleted. ~~~~</li> <li>*'''Overturn and userfy''' Needs more development in userspace before being published again, but the subject meets our notability criteria. ~~~~</li> <li>*'''Overturn''' Original deletion decision was not consistent with current policies. ~~~~</li> </ul> Remember that deletion review is not an opportunity to (re-)express your opinion on the content in question. It is an opportunity to correct errors in process (in the absence of significant new information), and thus the action specified should be the editor's feeling of the correct interpretation of the debate. Deletion review is facilitated by succinct discussions of <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines">policies and guidelines</a>; long or repeated arguments are not generally helpful. Rather, editors should set out the key policies and guidelines supporting their preferred outcome. The presentation of new information about the content should be prefaced by Relist, rather than Overturn and (action). This information can then be more fully evaluated in its proper deletion discussion forum. Allow recreation is an alternative in such cases. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Temporary_undeletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Temporary_undeletion-Instructions">Temporary undeletion</h3> </div> Admins participating in deletion reviews are routinely requested to restore deleted pages under review and replace the content with the <code>{{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:TempUndelete?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:TempUndelete">TempUndelete</a>}}</code> template, leaving the history for review by everyone. However, copyright violations and violations of the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">policy on biographies of living persons</a> should not be restored. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Closing_reviews" data-mw-thread-id="h-Closing_reviews-Instructions">Closing reviews</h3> </div> A nominated page should remain on deletion review for at least seven days, unless the nomination was a proposed deletion. After seven days, an administrator will determine whether a <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> exists. If that consensus is to undelete, the admin should follow the instructions at <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Administrator_instructions?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Administrator instructions">Wikipedia:Deletion review/Administrator instructions</a>. If the consensus was to relist, the page should be relisted at the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_debates?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Deletion debates">appropriate forum</a>. If the consensus was that the deletion was endorsed, the discussion should be <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Wikipedia:Deletion_review_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">closed</a> with the consensus documented. If the administrator closes the deletion review as no consensus, the outcome should generally be the same as if the decision was endorsed. However: <ul> <li>If the decision under appeal was a <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Speedy_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Speedy deletion">speedy deletion</a>, the page(s) in question should be restored, as it indicates the deletion was not uncontroversial. The closer, or any editor, may then proceed to nominate the page at the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_venues?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Deletion venues">appropriate deletion discussion forum</a>, if they so choose.</li> <li>If the decision under appeal was an XfD close, the closer may, at their discretion, relist the page(s) at the relevant XfD.</li> </ul> Ideally all closes should be made by an administrator to ensure that what is effectively the final appeal is applied consistently and fairly but in cases where the outcome is patently obvious or where a discussion has not been closed in good time it is permissible for a non-admin (ideally a DRV regular) to close discussions. Non-consensus closes should be avoided by non-admins unless they are absolutely unavoidable and the closer is sufficiently experienced at DRV to make that call. (Hint: if you are not sure that you have enough DRV experience then you don't.) <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"> <h4 id="Speedy_closes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_closes-Closing_reviews">Speedy closes</h4> </div> <ul> <li>Objections to a <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:PROD?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROD">proposed deletion</a> can be processed immediately as though they were a request at <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion">Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion</a></li> <li>Where the closer of a deletion discussion realizes their close was wrong, and nobody has endorsed, the closer may speedily close as overturn. They should fully reverse their close, restoring any deleted pages if appropriate.</li> <li>Where the nominator of a DRV wishes to withdraw their nomination, and nobody else has recommended any outcome other than endorse, the nominator may speedily close as "endorse" (or ask someone else to do so on their behalf).</li> <li>Certain discussions may be closed without result if there is no prospect of success (e.g. disruptive or sockpuppet nominations, if the nominator is repeatedly nominating the same page, or the page is listed at <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:DEEPER?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEEPER">WP:DEEPER</a>). These will usually be marked as "administrative close".</li> </ul> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)">  <h2 id="Active_discussions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Active_discussions-20250209213500"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Active?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Active">Active discussions</a></h2> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="16_February_2025" data-mw-thread-id="h-16_February_2025-Active_discussions"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_February_16?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 February 16">16 February 2025</a></h3> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="14_February_2025" data-mw-thread-id="h-14_February_2025-Active_discussions-20250214093000"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_February_14?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 February 14">14 February 2025</a></h3> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"> <h4 id="Moeed_Pirzada_(closed)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Moeed_Pirzada_(closed)-14_February_2025-20250214093000"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Moeed_Pirzada&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Moeed Pirzada (page does not exist)">Moeed Pirzada</a> (closed)</h4> </div> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed mw-archivedtalk" style="width: 100%; text-align: left; border: 0px; margin-top: 0.2em;"> <tbody> <tr> <th style="background-color: #f2dfce; font-weight:normal; text-align:left;"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Moeed_Pirzada&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Moeed Pirzada (page does not exist)">Moeed Pirzada</a> – No. Any established editor is welcome to bring this for review, if needed. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Star Mississippi">Star</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Star Mississippi">Mississippi</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Star_Mississippi-20250214164600-Moeed_Pirzada_(closed)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></th> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The following is an archived debate of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page above. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white;"> <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Moeed_Pirzada&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Moeed Pirzada (page does not exist)">Moeed Pirzada</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Talk:Moeed_Pirzada&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Talk:Moeed Pirzada (page does not exist)">talk</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DMoeed_Pirzada%26action%3Dedit">edit</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DMoeed_Pirzada%26action%3Dhistory">history</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:Log%26page%3DMoeed%2BPirzada">logs</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Moeed_Pirzada?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Moeed Pirzada">links</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DMoeed_Pirzada%26action%3Dwatch">watch</a>) (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Moeed_Pirzada_(2nd_nomination)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moeed Pirzada (2nd nomination)">XfD</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Undelete/Moeed_Pirzada?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Undelete/Moeed Pirzada">restore</a>) </dd> </dl>Dear Wikipedia,On 14 February 2025, the Wikipedia article on Moeed Pirzada, a prominent Pakistani journalist and political commentator, was deleted after a second Articles for Deletion (AfD) discussion. I am writing to formally request a review of this deletion decision, as I believe that the notability of Moeed Pirzada has not been fully considered in the discussion.Moeed Pirzada is a recognized figure in journalism, having hosted multiple high-profile television programs, including: <ul> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://video.dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/pv/tonight-with-dr-moeed-pirzada/14090">Tonight with Moeed Pirzada</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dunya_News?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Dunya News">Dunya News</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.youtube.com/@92newshdTv/search?query%3DHard%2520Talk%2520Pakistan%2520with%2520Dr%2520Moeed%2520Pirzada">Hard Talk Pakistan with Dr. Moeed Pirzada</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/92_News?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="92 News">92 News</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://2009-2017.state.gov/secretary/20092013clinton/rm/2011/10/175979.htm">U.S. Department of State</a> – where he interviewed <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Hillary_Clinton?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Hillary Clinton">U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://2009-2017.state.gov/secretary/20092013clinton/rm/2010/03/138930.htm">Interview</a></li> </ul>His work has been widely covered by reliable, third-party sources, meeting Wikipedia’s <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>: <ul> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://tribune.com.pk/story/2525774/imran-riaz-khan-announces-relocation-abroad-after-leaving-pakistan">The Express Tribune</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.dawn.com/news/1759895">Dawn</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/16/rights-press-bodies-slam-pakistan-crackdown-on-critical-voices">Al Jazeera</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/another-pak-journalist-leaves-country-amid-mystery-over-arshad-sharifs-killing20221031174846/">ANI News</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://rsf.org/en/behind-pakistan-s-civilian-government-army-tightens-its-grip-journalists">Reporters Without Borders (RSF)</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://x.com/amnestysasia/status/1669310205501534209">Amnesty International</a></li> </ul>Press Freedom & Legal ActionsPirzada has been at the center of press freedom discussions, facing legal actions in Pakistan due to his reporting.<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#cite_note-1">[1]</a> The deletion discussion may not have fully considered his recent impact, particularly in international media coverage of press freedom and journalist persecution in Pakistan.<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#cite_note-2">[2]</a>He has been mentioned in major human rights reports, including Amnesty International and Reporters Without Borders, which highlight the suppression of journalistic freedom in Pakistan.<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#cite_note-3">[3]</a><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#cite_note-4">[4]</a>Request for ReviewGiven his widespread coverage in reliable sources and his continued influence in journalism, I request that the Wikipedia deletion decision be reconsidered. Specifically, I propose:1. Restoring the article, or2. Moving it to Draft space,where improvements can be made in compliance with Wikipedia’s policies.Thank you for your time and consideration. 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Al Jazeera. 2023-06-16. 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Journalism Pakistan. 2024-01-25. Retrieved 2025-02-14.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.atitle=Amnesty+International+and+RSF+Condemn+Cases+Against+Pakistani+Journalists&rft.date=2024-01-25&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.journalismpakistan.com%2Famnesty-international-and-rsf-condemn-cases-against-pakistani-journalists&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3ADeletion+review" class="Z3988"></li> </ol> </div> </div><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Zeeshank9?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Zeeshank9">Zeeshank9</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Zeeshank9?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Zeeshank9">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Zeeshank9-20250214093000-Moeed_Pirzada_(closed)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> This looks more like an AI-generated AfD !vote, made by a SPA at that, than a valid request for a deletion review.<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Badbluebus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Badbluebus">Badbluebus</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Badbluebus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Badbluebus">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Badbluebus-20250214142700-Zeeshank9-20250214093000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> <ul> <li>Dismiss without prejudice. Whether AI-generated or not, the appellant has a grand total of four edits in mainspace. Both the first and the recent AfDs were littered with obvious canvassing and/or sockpuppetry. Consensus among experienced, unbiased participants was very clear, and both AfDs were closed accordingly. I don't know if any of the Arbcom CT decisions applies to this topic, but regardless, I don't believe the appellant has a standing to appeal. If and when an editor who is actually here to build an encyclopedia wishes to appeal the close, I'd gladly listen. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250214151600-Zeeshank9-20250214093000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Procedurally close. Aside from the AI junk, we're well within the (broadly construed) scope of <s>ARBPIA5</s> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:CT/IPA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CT/IPA">CT/IPA</a>. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bobby_Cohn?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bobby Cohn">Bobby Cohn</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bobby_Cohn?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bobby Cohn">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Bobby_Cohn-20250214163200-Zeeshank9-20250214093000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The above is an archive of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"> <h4 id="Rajat_Verma_(closed)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rajat_Verma_(closed)-14_February_2025-20250214150400"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Rajat_Verma&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Rajat Verma (page does not exist)">Rajat Verma</a> (closed)</h4> </div> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed mw-archivedtalk" style="width: 100%; text-align: left; border: 0px; margin-top: 0.2em;"> <tbody> <tr> <th style="background-color: #f2dfce; font-weight:normal; text-align:left;"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Rajat_Verma&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Rajat Verma (page does not exist)">Rajat Verma</a> – Requestor has been sock blocked and there's no point in continuing this without an editor able to edit it. Any established editor who wants to work on this in draft space is welcome to request it. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Star Mississippi">Star</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Star Mississippi">Mississippi</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Star_Mississippi-20250216174400-Rajat_Verma_(closed)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></th> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The following is an archived debate of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page above. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white;"> <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Rajat_Verma&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Rajat Verma (page does not exist)">Rajat Verma</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rajat_Verma&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Talk:Rajat Verma (page does not exist)">talk</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DRajat_Verma%26action%3Dedit">edit</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DRajat_Verma%26action%3Dhistory">history</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:Log%26page%3DRajat%2BVerma">logs</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Rajat_Verma?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Rajat Verma">links</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DRajat_Verma%26action%3Dwatch">watch</a>) (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rajat_Verma_(2nd_nomination)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajat Verma (2nd nomination)">XfD</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Undelete/Rajat_Verma?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Undelete/Rajat Verma">restore</a>) </dd> </dl>Rajat Verma has got several significant roles post the past deletion. So can the deleted article be shifted to the draftspace so that it can be edited and developed into an article? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:ITVaddict?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:ITVaddict">ITVaddict</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:ITVaddict?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:ITVaddict">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-ITVaddict-20250214150400-Rajat_Verma_(closed)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:ITVaddict?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:ITVaddict">ITVaddict</a>, can you please share with us some of the sources you plan on citing for this draft? Your contribution history suggests you have no experience citing sources on Wikipedia. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250214154700-ITVaddict-20250214150400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> I would like to cite these:<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.indiatoday.in/television/celebrity/story/beyhadh-2-actor-rajat-verma-gets-emotional-about-his-exit-from-the-show-thanks-fans-for-their-love-1637428-2020-01-16">https://www.indiatoday.in/television/celebrity/story/beyhadh-2-actor-rajat-verma-gets-emotional-about-his-exit-from-the-show-thanks-fans-for-their-love-1637428-2020-01-16</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.hindustantimes.com/tv/beyhadh-2-actor-rajat-says-he-was-intimidated-by-jennifer-winget-i-was-shivering-standing-in-front-of-her/story-U3HqDmJhg80FmrD6zSUpBK.html">https://www.hindustantimes.com/tv/beyhadh-2-actor-rajat-says-he-was-intimidated-by-jennifer-winget-i-was-shivering-standing-in-front-of-her/story-U3HqDmJhg80FmrD6zSUpBK.html</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.news18.com/news/movies/rajat-verma-on-how-he-bagged-the-role-of-kartik-in-ishq-par-zor-nahin-3570341.html">https://www.news18.com/news/movies/rajat-verma-on-how-he-bagged-the-role-of-kartik-in-ishq-par-zor-nahin-3570341.html</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.indiatoday.in/television/celebrity/story/rajat-verma-says-his-role-in-ishk-par-zor-nahin-is-a-better-version-of-rishi-in-beyadh-2-1777799-2021-03-10,https://www.bizasialive.com/rajat-verma-set-to-make-comeback-on-sony-tvs-ishk-par-zor-nahin/">https://www.indiatoday.in/television/celebrity/story/rajat-verma-says-his-role-in-ishk-par-zor-nahin-is-a-better-version-of-rishi-in-beyadh-2-1777799-2021-03-10,https://www.bizasialive.com/rajat-verma-set-to-make-comeback-on-sony-tvs-ishk-par-zor-nahin/</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.indiatoday.in/television/celebrity/story/beyhadh-actor-rajat-verma-opens-up-on-being-typecast-and-playing-negative-role-in-faltu-2298384-2022-11-17">https://www.indiatoday.in/television/celebrity/story/beyhadh-actor-rajat-verma-opens-up-on-being-typecast-and-playing-negative-role-in-faltu-2298384-2022-11-17</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/exclusive-faltu-star-rajat-verma-says-i-dont-do-any-project-for-money-shares-advice-got-from-his-father-article-97422490">https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/exclusive-faltu-star-rajat-verma-says-i-dont-do-any-project-for-money-shares-advice-got-from-his-father-article-97422490</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.thehansindia.com/cinema/rajat-verma-opens-up-about-self-perception-and-acting-journey-879237">https://www.thehansindia.com/cinema/rajat-verma-opens-up-about-self-perception-and-acting-journey-879237</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/rajat-verma-opens-up-on-the-challenges-of-playing-double-role/articleshow/112355464.cms">https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/rajat-verma-opens-up-on-the-challenges-of-playing-double-role/articleshow/112355464.cms</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/rajat-vermas-first-action-sequence-in-dahej-daasi-a-unique-experience/articleshow/108066948.cms">https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/rajat-vermas-first-action-sequence-in-dahej-daasi-a-unique-experience/articleshow/108066948.cms</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:ITVaddict?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:ITVaddict">ITVaddict</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:ITVaddict?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:ITVaddict">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-ITVaddict-20250214161100-OwenX-20250214154700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> <dd> There is also this source:<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.iwmbuzz.com/television/news/exclusive-rajat-verma-and-aleya-ghosh-to-play-leads-in-story-squares-new-show-for-shemaroo-umang-rani-chatterjee-roped-in/2025/02/11">https://www.iwmbuzz.com/television/news/exclusive-rajat-verma-and-aleya-ghosh-to-play-leads-in-story-squares-new-show-for-shemaroo-umang-rani-chatterjee-roped-in/2025/02/11</a> This source talks about his next lead role <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:ITVaddict?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:ITVaddict">ITVaddict</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:ITVaddict?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:ITVaddict">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-ITVaddict-20250214162000-OwenX-20250214154700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <ul> <li>Endorse the deletion if the deletion is being appealed. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Robert_McClenon-20250214223300-ITVaddict-20250214150400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Weak Support for restoration of deleted article to draft space. On the one hand, the title was not salted, and restoration of articles that were deleted for <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:N?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notability</a> reasons as <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:TOOSOON?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOOSOON">too soon</a> can usually be reasonably restored to draft space for improvement and review. On the other hand, restoration of deleted articles is often a waste of the time of the requester and of the community, because it encourages a lazy approach to re-creation that does not establish notability. The requester would be better off to start over. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Robert_McClenon-20250214223300-ITVaddict-20250214150400-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Procedural endorse, maintain deleted. Requester has been blocked as sockpuppet. This was on the basis of behaviour alone, not checkuser, I believe, so I suppose could be overzealous (no evidence of this, just exploring the scenario); however the fact remains there does not seem to be any non-blocked bona fide user wanting to work on this. While the sources mentioned above are new ones, there is a preponderance of interviews with the article subject, so not likely to help much with notability. Therefore, the maximal overturn-like outcome here would have been a restoration to Draft with a significant challenge to overcome to achoieve a move to mainspace -- and now there is no-one to take on that work. Net-net, nothing to discuss here in any case. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Martinp?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Martinp">Martinp</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Martinp?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Martinp">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Martinp-20250216171800-ITVaddict-20250214150400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a>.[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> I agree. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Star Mississippi">Star Mississippi</a>, time for one of your trademark procedural closes? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250216173300-Martinp-20250216171800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl></li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The above is an archive of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="13_February_2025" data-mw-thread-id="h-13_February_2025-Active_discussions-20250213090800"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_February_13?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 February 13">13 February 2025</a></h3> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"> <h4 id="United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip" data-mw-thread-id="h-United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip-13_February_2025-20250213090800"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip">United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip</a></h4> </div> <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip">United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk:United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk:United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip">talk</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DUnited_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip%26action%3Dedit">edit</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DUnited_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip%26action%3Dhistory">history</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:Log%26page%3DUnited%2BStates%2Bproposed%2Btakeover%2Bof%2Bthe%2BGaza%2BStrip">logs</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip">links</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DUnited_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip%26action%3Dwatch">watch</a>) (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip">XfD</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Undelete/United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Undelete/United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip">restore</a>) </dd> </dl> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip</a> A page on this topic was first deleted after <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Donald_Trump_proposal_for_displacement_of_Palestinians_from_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump proposal for displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump proposal for displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip</a> per NOTNEWS (discussion 30 January - 2 February). Then followed the above discussion, starting 5 February, with delete votes like "He'll just forget about it in a week" and "Wasn't this all speculation from a single tweet?" and "Nothing will ever, ever, ever come of this latest idiotic plan untethered in any way with reality" and "Until something comes of it, it means basically nothing." and "Doesn't seem to have any notable impact, coverage seems mostly routine." After the initial delete votes, which were largely incorrect, most people voted keep because the plan, no matter how stupid or ingenious you may believe it to be, has had and continues to have serious real-world impact, as is clear from the massive number of independent, reliable sources from major news sources from all over the world specifically about this "plan", from the last 24 hours alone<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.google.be/search?q%3DTrump%2BGaza%26sca_esv%3Dbc494ed727a50377%26tbm%3Dnws%26source%3Dlnt%26tbs%3Dqdr:d%26sa%3DX%26ved%3D2ahUKEwjg3Kf2pMCLAxVlfKQEHSOpJoUQpwV6BAgBEA0%26biw%3D1536%26bih%3D738%26dpr%3D1.25">[1]</a>. This was reflected in the more recent votes, and also lead to the recreation of <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Trump_plan_for_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Trump plan for the Gaza Strip">Trump plan for the Gaza Strip</a> (deleted G4, I can't judge whether it was sufficiently similar or not to justify the G4 tag). I believe the AfD close to have been incorrect, as many of the delete votes were not policy based and/or clearly were made outdated by reality, and the later keep votes and just plain <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:N?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notability</a> had the better position. I had raised this yesterday with the closing admin, who didn't reply for some reason. I would at the very least want the discussion to be relisted, if not outright closed as keep. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250213090800-United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <ul> <li>Question Am I looking at the correct discussion, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Donald_Trump_proposal_for_displacement_of_Palestinians_from_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump proposal for displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump proposal for displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip</a>? Because I don't see any keep opinions in the last two of the four days this discussion was running. And where can I see the mentioned discussion which started on 5 February? Thanks! <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Daranios?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Daranios">Daranios</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Daranios?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Daranios">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Daranios-20250213110200-Fram-20250213090800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> No, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip</a> is the discussion for which this DRV was opened, the other one is a previous AfD for another earlier article on the same topic (and I'm not objecting to that AfD, just giving it as background). <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250213110400-Daranios-20250213110200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> <dd> I've added a more obvious link to the discussion I want reviewed, feel free to revert if this is not how this should be done. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250213110500-Daranios-20250213110200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl></li> <li>Endorse, but allow draftification or a selective merge into <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_second_Donald_Trump_administration?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Gaza" title="Foreign policy of the second Donald Trump administration">Foreign_policy_of_the_second_Donald_Trump_administration#Gaza</a> or a better target, if found, as long as that's not a backdoor to reintroducing the article into mainspace the next day. I agree with the appellant that many of the Delete !votes weren't based on P&G. So were many of the Keep ones. More to the point, quite a few of the Deletes were solidly based on guidelines, specifically <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:RECENTISM?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RECENTISM">WP:RECENTISM</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:RSBREAKING?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSBREAKING">WP:RSBREAKING</a>. For good or bad, we live in an era where the news cycle is dictated by the frequency of Trump's tweets. A few months from now, it will be easier to determine whether his proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip should be detailed in the "Background" section of an article called, "Timeline of the 2025 Egypt-Israel War", or as an entry in "List of failed proposals by Donald Trump#February 2025". I agree that we have an abundance of SIGCOV in secondary, reliable sources about this proposal, and that it should be mentioned in our existing pages about the Gaza war and US foreign policy. I am not convinced that we need a standalone article about it at this point, and the consensus at the AfD seemed to support this view. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250213134000-Fram-20250213090800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:RECENTISM?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RECENTISM">WP:RECENTISM</a> is an essay, not a guideline. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:RECENTISM?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RECENTISM">WP:RECENTISM</a> states "It is better to wait a day or two after an event before adding details to the encyclopedia, than to help spread potentially false rumors." The remainder of that section is in the same vein, and contains no reasons at all to not have an article on this topic which has now been in the news all over the world for a few weeks. We have articles for recent events all the time, we even have a main page section for this. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250213134400-OwenX-20250213134000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> True, RECENTISM is an essay, but WP:LASTING and WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE are guidelines. <s>I also don't see where you get <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">for a few weeks</q>. The announcement was made on 4 February - nine days ago. With the avalanche of news coverage, it may seem like weeks, but we are less than a week and a half since this became a thing,</s> and within another week and a half, it may very well be relegated to a footnote in the annals of history. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250213142400-Fram-20250213134400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Then how come <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Donald_Trump_proposal_for_displacement_of_Palestinians_from_the_Gaza_Strip?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump proposal for displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump proposal for displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip</a> started on 30 January, i.e. 2 weeks ago? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250213144000-OwenX-20250213142400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> You are right. The proposal was first mentioned on 26 January, as far as I can tell, two and a half weeks ago. My apologies. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250213144800-Fram-20250213144000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Thanks. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250213150800-OwenX-20250213144800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl></li> <li>Overturn to draftify. I agree there is rough consensus to not keep, with a prevailing argument being that it was <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:TOOSOON?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOOSOON">WP:TOOSOON</a> and could possibly be notable down the road. This ATD was not refuted by the delete !voters (outside of one who said they were <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">against draftification</q> without providing a reason). <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Frank Anchor">Frank</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Frank Anchor">Anchor</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Frank_Anchor-20250213143000-Fram-20250213090800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul> Soon to be forgotten, just a tweet, ... Two weeks later, France24 has a 45 minute debate on the plan<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/the-debate/20250212-trump-s-gaza-plan-will-arab-allies-push-back">[2]</a>, the Egyptian president cancels a US visit over the plan<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://egyptianstreets.com/2025/02/13/president-al-sisi-reportedly-cancels-white-house-visit-over-trumps-gaza-proposal/">[3]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/egypts-president-sisi-not-attend-any-white-house-talks-if-gaza-displacement-2025-02-12/">[4]</a>, it was the main topic (certainly in the press) of the visit of the Jordan king to Trump<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/12/middleeast/analysis-trump-gaza-jordan-king-intl-latam/index.html">[5]</a>, it got reactions yesterday and today from Emmanuel Macron, North Korea, China, Germany, Scotland, ... it may be the topic of an Arab summit<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/mena/2025/02/13/egypt-wants-to-hold-islamic-summit-to-broaden-opposition-to-trumps-gaza-proposals/">[6]</a> or other joined Arab efforts<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/arab-states-wake-up-to-fact-that-trump-means-what-he-says-on-gaza-56380703">[7]</a>, analysis of all kinds of impacts of the plan is being published left and right, e.g. a long ABC article about how the ICC may react and consider executing the Trump plan a war crime<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-officials-face-international-warrants-steps-displace-palestinians/story?id%3D118570535">[8]</a>... All this only from English-language sources, and only from the last 24 hours. This plan, no matter if anything ever comes from it, no matter even if it gets withdrawn tomorrow, has already had profound real-world impact and is a lot more notable than many routine articles about "events" (sports, weather, tv show episodes) which get created and kept without any fuss. I don't get the resistance against this or the reluctance to admit that yes, the votes arguing to delete it because it was just some tweet which would be forgotten the next day were completely wrong. We prided ourselves on being the go-to destination for the newest correct and up-to-date information during e.g. the Covid crisis, we recorded the other events in the Hamas-Israel war on a daily basis but now suddenly these qualities are to be avoided because, well, no idea really. It's not as if nothing has actually happened, the idea has had and continues to have a real-life impact. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250213150700-United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] Just in: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/turkeys-erdogan-calls-trumps-gaza-plan-a-major-threat-to-world-peace/">Turkey’s Erdogan calls Trump’s Gaza plan a ‘major threat’ to world peace</a>. As you probably can tell, I'm completely baffled by the insistence that this is such a minor thing, while everyone else around the world considers it the one of the most important events of the day even though the plan is a few weeks old now. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250213151900-United_States_proposed_takeover_of_the_Gaza_Strip" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <ul> <li>Endorse, but allow draftification. By my count, we have 9 !votes to keep the article in mainspace and 18 !votes to remove the article from mainspace, with most of those !votes to delete the article. As the delete comments are rooted in policy <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a>, the close is justifiable --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Enos733?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Enos733">Enos733</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Enos733?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Enos733">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Enos733-20250213165400-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> There was only one delete which actually referenced <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a>, and the issue isn't the vote count, but that the early votes (or the closer) have not taken into account the sustained coverage and the evolving noteworthiness of the issue, which was explicitly noted by many of the later keep voters. <ul> <li>"has created lots of analysis by independent secondary sources"</li> <li>I'm changing my !vote to strong keep. [...] I think that all the Delete !votes which were assuming that this was just a distraction, or a crazy idea that would blow over once its utter impracticality was realised, have been overtaken by events. "</li> <li>"it has impacted diplomatic negotiations, "</li> <li>"Situation has evolved a lot within the past week,"</li> <li>"has sustained international coverage. Note that many early !votes described this as just something Trump happens to say, but he has continued to double down and is considering freezing aid to Jordan and Egypt over the initiative. One source has stated that even if the proposal is meaningless rhetoric, it has "already done irreparable damage"</li> </ul> </dd> <dd> After the first day, votes are 8-5 for keeping, and these votes (as quoted above) specifically called out the changed circumstances, the continued coverage, the actual impact it has (so no longer just <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a>). My long post above are all sources from after these votes, showing even more impact and continued coverage in major international sources and from major international figures. See point 3 of the reasons for deletion review: "if significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page" <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250213171100-Enos733-20250213165400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Fram, a couple things. First, while only one discussant specifically mentioned CRYSTAL, other editors pointed to the essays <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:TRUMPCRUFT?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TRUMPCRUFT">WP:TRUMPCRUFT</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:RECENTISM?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RECENTISM">WP:RECENTISM</a>, both of which are based on <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">WP:NOT</a> or to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOPAGE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOPAGE">WP:NOPAGE</a>. Second, while there are times when a closer should consider more recent developments and discount early statements (such as when an individual was elected to a NPOL office, or when editors find additional sourcing to meet GNG), the context of this discussion was not about whether sources exist, but whether a stand alone page should exist in light of WP:NOT. So, it is not appropriate to summarily dismiss or minimize earlier !votes. As this is not a forum for AFD round 2, the close is justifiable. - <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Enos733?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Enos733">Enos733</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Enos733?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Enos733">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Enos733-20250213200600-Fram-20250213171100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl></li> <li>Endorse I think delete was the only correct reading of the discussion. Several of the later keep !votes are not well grounded in policy (discussing politics instead of sourcing) and even though there are a couple good arguments for keeping this as a stand-alone page, I can't see them overriding the consensus against having this as a page. I do agree with above participants that anything here can be merged into other articles as needed. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SportingFlyer-20250213195100-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Comment (involved). Since Fram has decided to call out !votes and state that nobody commented on notability from the delete/merge camp, I'd like to clarify. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">Wikipedia is not breaking news</a>. We are an encyclopedia. While sometimes news articles (such as in depth investigations) are secondary sources, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NEWSPRIMARY?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEWSPRIMARY">the vast majority of "run of the mill" news coverage is not secondary in nature</a>. It is by definition a primary source (see also <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:ROUTINE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ROUTINE">WP:ROUTINE</a>). Has there been some small "analysis" or "interpretation" that would qualify the news in question as a secondary source... sure - very, very little. And it's borderline analysis anyway - the news that exists right now is a collection of statements by Trump, a collection of statements/responses by others, and in some cases a surface-level attempt to connect Trump's goals to international law. That does not "significant coverage in secondary sources" make. Hence my !vote to delete/merge. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>A good thing to remember is that <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:DEADLINE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEADLINE">there is no rush to have an article on something</a> - if something is going to be notable, there is zero harm whatsoever in waiting for it to actually get the secondary coverage in academic sources or in depth investigative news sources (not just news reporting) that would show notability. Attempting to rush articles on this or other political topics into the mainspace can be nothing other than an attempt to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:RGW?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RGW">right great wrongs</a> by ensuring they're reported on Wikipedia ASAP, regardless of how actually notable they are. For all of these reasons, I would support the close as it was done (but again, I am involved so this is intended primarily as further explanation of my and others' !votes from my point of view in case it helps Fram/others understand them). Regards, -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Berchanhimez?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Berchanhimez-20250213200400-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> For full clarity, I consider that all the arguments I identify here are covered by <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:TRUMPCRUFT?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TRUMPCRUFT">WP:TRUMPCRUFT</a> and/or the fact that employees are not notable just because their agency is. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Berchanhimez?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Berchanhimez-20250213201000-Berchanhimez-20250213200400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> No idea what the "employee" line has to do with anything, but Yrumpcruft would be an article about the Goat statue or the Musk press conference and the pictures with his son X. In such cases, I would agree 100% with you that we shouldn´t have an article, that´s it just silly Trump news, and so on. But we don´t get such things dominating the news for two weeks and counting, we don´t get articles about the reactions from Macron, Erdogan, and every major country you can imagine; we don´t get meetings between heads of state dominated by such silly stuff, or announcements that foreign presidents won´t visit the US because of it, or serious proposals for counterplans. Dismissing this just because it started with Trump is just as wrong as would have been having articles on these other things just because they involved Trump. </dd> <dd> The news just keeps on coming, with Haaretz posting an article about how the existence of the plan boosts the position of Netanyahu<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/podcasts/2025-02-13/ty-article-podcast/israels-embrace-of-trumps-gaza-plan-is-atrocious-unthinkable-and-morally-wrong/00000195-012b-d1d7-a9d5-f96fbc430000">[9]</a>, and the Teheran Times at the same time explaining how it weakens the position of the Jordan king<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/509722/Why-Trump-s-plans-are-an-existential-threat-for-Jordan">[10]</a>. I guess I´ll just have to start a new article which can´t be G4´ed, and then see who with a straight face would argue that it isn´t a notable subject. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250213221400-Berchanhimez-20250213201000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Something "dominating the news" does not mean it is notable. Breaking news/contemporary news reports are primary sources. They are not secondary sources for GNG purposes. We don't care what the news organizations are reporting on to get their clicks for their income. We care what has actual notability beyond news reports. General news reporting <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NEWSPRIMARY?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEWSPRIMARY">is not a secondary source</a>. It isn't impossible to have secondary news articles this close to an event, but it is very difficult, because it requires significant in depth analysis beyond simply reporting what people on either side said and some context/backstory to it. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Berchanhimez?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Berchanhimez-20250213221700-Fram-20250213221400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl></li> <li>(Involved) Overturn either to no consensus or, at a minimum, to draftify. Clearly there was no consensus and, if the deletion stands, then a replacement article will be needed anyway. By the time of the close, those early !votes were hopelessly out of line with the situation on the ground and the evolving coverage in the sources. (That is why I changed my position from weak keep to strong keep shortly before the close.) Was the article created too soon? Quite probably. Is it too soon for us to have an article about it now? Absolutely not. Does not having an article about this topic create a conspicuous hole in Wikipedia? Yes, it does, and not a trivial one. As I said on the AfD, we simply can't not have an article about it. So, why force editors to start working on it again from scratch? --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:DanielRigal?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:DanielRigal">DanielRigal</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:DanielRigal?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:DanielRigal">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-DanielRigal-20250213201200-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li><s>Change result to Draftify</s>. None of the “delete” rationals were inconsistent, and most were arguments for draftifying (eg WP:RECENTISM). Reading the “delete” votes this way gives a clear consensus to Draftify. There was a consensus to “not keep in mainspace”. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SmokeyJoe">SmokeyJoe</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SmokeyJoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SmokeyJoe-20250213221500-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Overturn per “ Most of the !votes after 6 February were for keeping the article. As others point out above, the later votes deserve a higher weight. – SD0001 (talk) 10:08, 14 February 2025”. </dd> <dd> I didn’t note that before, but it is a pretty strong thing, a rush of “delete” !votes on the first day before things continued to develop. Overturn to “no consensus”. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SmokeyJoe">SmokeyJoe</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SmokeyJoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SmokeyJoe-20250214103900-SmokeyJoe-20250213221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl></li> <li>Overturn either to Relist or to Draftify - The news and the notability are both evolving rapidly, and a consensus to remove the article from article space may not be a consensus in one or two weeks. When the situation is changing rapidly, allowance should be made that <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:CCC?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CCC">consensus can change</a> rapidly. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Robert_McClenon-20250214022500-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Overturn to relist or no consensus. It's an evolving story. Most of the !votes after 6 February were for keeping the article. As others point out above, the later votes deserve a higher weight. – <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SD0001?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SD0001">SD0001</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SD0001?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SD0001">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SD0001-20250214100800-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Above, there is comment about "not news", how we need secondary sources and not just primary sources. I have already given some such sources above, and more and more are coming in. Le Monde, a top notch source, posts an analysis about how this plan is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/02/14/trump-s-gaza-plan-an-existential-threat-to-the-jordanian-monarchy_6738145_4.html">"an existential threat to the Jordanian monarchy"</a>, the Financial Times is discussing how Europe is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.ft.com/content/4191e62a-5daf-472a-89cb-796540a2a7df">"working with Arab states on alternative to Trump’s Gaza plan"</a>, Al Jazeera posts a thorougn analysis of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/13/trumps-gaza-plan-what-it-is-why-its-controversial-and-globally-rejected">"Trump’s Gaza ‘plan’: What it is, why it’s unworkable and globally rejected"</a>, The Spectator posts their analysis in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-trumps-gaza-plan-means-for-the-middle-east/">"What Trump’s Gaza plan means for the Middle East"</a>, universities are posting background stories about <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://besacenter.org/the-historical-roots-of-president-trumps-gaza-relocation-plan/">"The Historical Roots of President Trump’s Gaza Relocation Plan"</a>... This just from the last few hours, and just from English language sources, and next to the countless reactions from prominents, countries, groups still pouring in. Even if one agrees that the reading of the AfD was correct, it should be clear that by now the situation is completely different to what it was on 5 February and the continuing stream of background articles (and the real-life impact the plan has had already) pushes this way beyond what is required for an article. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250214102500-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Literally all of those are mere news reporting (including basic context), not in-depth original analysis/interpretation that qualifies as a secondary source. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Berchanhimez?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Berchanhimez">me</a> | <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Berchanhimez?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Berchanhimez">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Berchanhimez-20250214184000-Fram-20250214102500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl></li> </ul> <ul> <li>Can someone please tell those silly Arab nations that they will be holding a summit over something which isn't notable and will be forgotten in a week? I mean, what on Earth are they making a fuss about?<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/saudi-arabia-to-host-arab-summit-on-trumps-gaza-plan-7711476">[11]</a> Alternatively, we are making complete fools of ourselves by covering countless minor sporting events, storms and wildfire, crashes, local elections, ... but for some reason exclusing this. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fram?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Fram-20250214144000-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Overturn. Closing admin states " <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I think there is a consensus to Delete this article</q>", referencing another AFD whose basis was <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a>. This sounds like <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a> was the basis for the deletion. This is a major shift in US foreign policy, and is henceforth notable. Closing admin suggests going to DVR " <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">[s]hould progress be made on this proposal</q>". In my opinion, even if Trump were to say, "never mind, let's jettison this proposal", it would still be notable for it having been US policy for the few days that it was. --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:The Mountain of Eden">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20250214172500-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Comment' In contentious AFDs, I usually advice editors to consider coming to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRV">WP:DRV</a> to make their case. There are some AFDs, like this one, that a closer knows, in advance, will not be accepted by a certain percentage of participants. No matter what the closure had been, I had anticipated this AFD would show up at DRV. Over the years, I've found that even "No consensus" can be seen as a controversial closure. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Liz?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Liz">Liz</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Liz">Read!</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Liz?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Liz">Talk!</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Liz-20250216050700-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:07, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul> <dl> <dd> As for my opinion, as a closer, is this discussion was so divided, I don't think a relisting (or two) would have shifted a significant number of editors to a different point of view. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Liz?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Liz">Liz</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Liz">Read!</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Liz?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Liz">Talk!</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Liz-20250216051100-Fram-20250213151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="9_February_2025" data-mw-thread-id="h-9_February_2025-Active_discussions-20250209213500"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_February_9?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 February 9">9 February 2025</a></h3> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"> <h4 id="Aer_Lingus_Flight_328" data-mw-thread-id="h-Aer_Lingus_Flight_328-9_February_2025-20250209213500"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Aer_Lingus_Flight_328?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Aer Lingus Flight 328">Aer Lingus Flight 328</a></h4> </div> <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Aer_Lingus_Flight_328?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Aer Lingus Flight 328">Aer Lingus Flight 328</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk:Aer_Lingus_Flight_328?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk:Aer Lingus Flight 328">talk</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DAer_Lingus_Flight_328%26action%3Dedit">edit</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DAer_Lingus_Flight_328%26action%3Dhistory">history</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:Log%26page%3DAer%2BLingus%2BFlight%2B328">logs</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Aer_Lingus_Flight_328?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Aer Lingus Flight 328">links</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DAer_Lingus_Flight_328%26action%3Dwatch">watch</a>) (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aer_Lingus_Flight_328_(2nd_nomination)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aer Lingus Flight 328 (2nd nomination)">XfD</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Undelete/Aer_Lingus_Flight_328?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Undelete/Aer Lingus Flight 328">restore</a>) </dd> </dl> In spite of the fact there were more delete than keep !votes in this discussion, sometimes we just get things wrong. While I understand why this was nominated for deletion - the article at the time of nomination had three sources and was a recreation of a previously deleted article - the rationale for deletion was fails <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a>, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE">WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE</a>, and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:LASTING?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LASTING">WP:LASTING</a>, and I believe all of these reasons were clearly refuted by the introduction of additional sources which shows that it not only met GNG (significant international coverage), but that coverage was continuing (was in the news for months, including articles in April 1986, follow up stories two years later, and mentions decades later) and that it had lasting impacts (change to airframe design and airline safety structure). The discussion also broke towards keeping, and the delete !voters after either did not assess the sources or misapplied <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a>. I'm asking for this to be overturned to no consensus or possibly even a keep. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SportingFlyer-20250209213500-Aer_Lingus_Flight_328" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <ul> <li>Endorse. Even after <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Aviationwikiflight?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Aviationwikiflight">Aviationwikiflight</a> made the main argument to keep based on continuing coverage, opinions were split between Keep and Delete. The discussion as a whole shows a reasonably clear consensus to not retain this as a separate article so redirect as an ATD is a better close than "No Consensus". While aviation incident AfD's can be contentious, my reading has been that the guidelines are pretty deletionist so there is no good reason to favor keeping absent a majority in the discussion. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Eluchil404?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Eluchil404">Eluchil404</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Eluchil404?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Eluchil404">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Eluchil404-20250210023900-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Overturn to Keep Enough of the Delete !votes are factually wrong (GNG is, in fact, met) or misstate policy (that's not what NOTNEWS says) that closing as delete is an insult to the participants who participated in a thoughtful way. SportingFlyer is correct; we got this one wrong. I suspect we'll get the DRV wrong, too, as lately there's been a bias towards "no process problem means no problem" which I expect will be reflected in future commentaries. Also, an NC isn't necessarily better or worse than a redirect/merge. If there's really no consensus to delete, then enforcing a merge or redirect isn't necessary or appropriate. ATDs are not Alternatives to No Consensus. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jclemens">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Jclemens-20250210025900-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li><del>Overturn to Relist</del> - <del>On the one hand, the idea that a single Keep vote and the addition of sources justifies a conclusion to Keep is very much a stretch.</del><del>On the other hand, the addition of sources that were not considered by the early Delete votes is sufficient reason for a Relist of an AFD that was not previously relisted.</del><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Robert_McClenon-20250210042000-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a>: The AFD was relisted twice. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:HouseBlaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-HouseBlaster-20250210084700-Robert_McClenon-20250210042000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Indeed, and while the initial trajectory suggested newer people were swayed, the post-relist !votes seemed to ignore that part of the discussion. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jclemens">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Jclemens-20250210091400-HouseBlaster-20250210084700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> I am not sure who or what to be annoyed at. I see that the AFD was relisted twice. I don't think that I should have to read the history of the AFD to see the relists, because I think that the AFD should contain notes about the relists. Striking Relist and reconsidering. I don't think that a single Keep establishes consensus. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Robert_McClenon-20250210173800-Jclemens-20250210091400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Annoyed at myself for being confused by a Reflist in the middle of the AFD. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Robert_McClenon-20250210191900-Robert_McClenon-20250210173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl></li> <li>Overturn to Relist - there were several additional references added to the article and quite a few clarifying edits, too, which were not reflected in changes/reappraisal from the earlier participants. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bastun?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bastun">Bastun</a><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Bastun?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Bastun">Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Bastun-20250210120700-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Overturn to no consensus. I don't see any consensus to delete and/or redirect, and relisting the discussion for a third time will not change that. The delete/redirect !votes citing <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a> were successfully refuted based on <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:SUSTAINED?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUSTAINED">WP:SUSTAINED</a> coverage presented by Aviationwikiflight and SportingFlyer. Likewise, those two argued that these sources passed <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> and I do not see those arguments being successfully refuted. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Frank Anchor">Frank</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Frank Anchor">Anchor</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Frank_Anchor-20250210142100-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul> <dl> <dd> <dl> <dd> I will also add that there while <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOPAGE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOPAGE">WP:NOPAGE</a> could be a considered a reason to redirect, this guideline was not brought up by any redirect or delete !voter in the AFD (or the first AFD from 2019). All delete/redirect !votes were based on the sources not meeting <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> and/or <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:SUSTAINED?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUSTAINED">WP:SUSTAINED</a>. It is not the job of the keep !voters to demonstrate how the proposed target of the redirect fails to cover the encyclopedic content when such an argument is not made by delete/redirect !voters; keep !voters could not refute an argument that was not made. Therefore, any arguments in this DRV related to NOPAGE need to be disregarded. The purpose of a deletion review is to determine if the closer correctly assessed the consensus of the discussion, and NOT to relitigate the AFD with arguments not made in the AFD. The only acceptable venue for NOPAGE arguments is a new (or relisted) AFD. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Frank Anchor">Frank</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Frank Anchor">Anchor</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Frank_Anchor-20250212141700-Frank_Anchor-20250210142100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <ul> <li>Note from closer: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aer_Lingus_Flight_328_(2nd_nomination)" title="User talk:Asilvering">User talk:Asilvering#Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aer Lingus Flight 328 (2nd nomination)</a>. -- <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Asilvering?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Asilvering-20250210152800-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Endorse, though I would consider expanding the closing statement. In a case such as this, in which the target is already a part of a broader list article, arguments to keep need to justify the existence of a standalone article. The arguments to keep focus on the existence of many contemporary sources and showing the existence of sources over a period of time, without showing why the encyclopedic content could not be adequately covered in a list. I would agree that some arguments to delete misapply NOTNEWS - we do not entirely discount news coverage, we apply common sense with respect to expected flurries of news coverage that might create a large number of sources but do not necessarily offer independent content. That said, the keeps are weaker on the whole, and fundamentally do not show why a standalone article is justified. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Vanamonde93">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Vanamonde93-20250210170300-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> I don't remember ever seeing this as a rule. Is there a guideline you can link? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SportingFlyer-20250210173100-Vanamonde93-20250210170300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOPAGE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOPAGE">WP:NOPAGE</a> documents the basic principle, but long-standing practice supports this as well - when we have a little encyclopedic material about a subject, it is often presented as part of a larger topic. This isn't a deletionist principle - I am a firm believer that PERMASTUBS are a critical part of the encyclopedia - but when material can be viably covered in different ways, it is incumbent upon those who want a standalone to demonstrate the need for it (conversely, those proposing redirecting/merging need to justify why it wouldn't create balance problems - but that wasn't an issue here). <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Vanamonde93">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Vanamonde93-20250210212200-SportingFlyer-20250210173100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Look, I've participated in thousands of AfDs now. NOPAGE rarely, if ever, comes up. When it does, it's usually implicit, since there's generally a discussion as whether a redirect would be appropriate. That didn't happen here. The two redirect !voters didn't participate after sources were found. As an experienced AfD participant, I certainly didn't know I was facing the additional bar of showing that this almost 500-word (and expandable) article would not be better off covered as two sentences in another article, as no one had specifically argued for that, instead just mentioning a redirect might be an AtD. As a voter I was simply trying to demonstrate why it should be kept. So now we're in a situation where people are admitting GNG was met and that NOTNEWS was mis-applied, but are still nevertheless endorsing the close and keeping a completely valid article out of mainspace. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SportingFlyer-20250210215800-Vanamonde93-20250210212200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Arguing for redirection or merging is arguing against a standalone article. No specific reference to NOPAGE is required. I linked that guideline because you seemed to believe that finding a couple of sources was enough. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Vanamonde93">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Vanamonde93-20250211041100-SportingFlyer-20250210215800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:11, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> First, you specifically said <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">In a case such as this, in which the target is already a part of a broader list article, arguments to keep need to justify the existence of a stand-alone article.</q> That is not part of <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOPAGE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOPAGE">WP:NOPAGE</a>. Second, I never said "finding a couple sources is enough." There are many sources available here, and typically passing <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> is enough for a stand-alone article unless there's some sort of good reason not to have one. It's not an additional barrier for those advocating for a stand-alone page. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SportingFlyer-20250211043900-Vanamonde93-20250211041100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:39, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl></li> <li>Endorse or relist (in that order). I generally endorse the assessment of consensus as there were ~10 !votes to delete and ~5 to keep. While a mere majority does not define consensus, that margin does adequately support the conclusion of the admin. Likewise, though the keeps and deletes each have flaws, the delete arguments overall are more compelling. Delete and redirect is an entirely reasonable/appropriate option. If overturned, it should return to relisting. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Buffs?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Buffs">Buffs</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Buffs?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Buffs">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Buffs-20250210170600-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Comment - Oops. I misread the AFD because it had a Reflist in the middle. Completely striking. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Robert_McClenon-20250210175100-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>overturn to NC I don't see how the discussion can be said to have reached a consensus. Further, there are enough sources that WP:N is met. The NOTNEWS objections feel a bit weak in the face of coverage spanning more than a year. So keeping the article isn't offensive to our standards. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Hobit?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Hobit">Hobit</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Hobit?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Hobit">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Hobit-20250210183800-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Endorse I do think that the NOTNEWS objections feel weak, as sources describing the crash decades later were presented in the discussion. However, editors can have disagreements about the application of policies and guidelines. So, while Jclemens is correct that there is a bias in Deletion Review towards "no process problem means no problem," it should be a high bar to overturn a close (to keep) when the vast majority of editors recommended deletion of the article based on their understanding of our policies/guidelines. And, the editors after the second relist came to conclusion that the article should not remain in main space after SportingFlyer and Aviationwikiflight made the case that the article should be kept. This means that the last editors to comment were not persuaded to keep the article. So, I end up supporting the close, despite how I might have !voted. Based on the discussion, I cannot see a justifiable case to keep the article, and while a no consensus close may be justifiable, the most justifiable close is what was made - a redirect to a page where the incident is described. --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Enos733?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Enos733">Enos733</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Enos733?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Enos733">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Enos733-20250210210000-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Endorse. I agree with <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a>, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a> that several of the Delete !votes misapplied NOTNEWS, which is a common problem with several of the WP:NOT policy sections. I also accept that the claim of meeting GNG was not adequately refuted. But as Vanamonde93 points out, the Keep arguments failed to demonstrate how the proposed target of the redirect, which already had a description of the event, fails to cover the encyclopedic content. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOPAGE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOPAGE">WP:NOPAGE</a> instructs us that some notable content can fit well as an entry in a list or as a section in another article. In their closing comment, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Asilvering?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a> explicitly left the door wide open to merging more content into the target, and to discussing a possible split in the future. Even if we completely discard the NOTNEWS arguments, I still see a rough consensus not to keep the standalone article, and no compelling argument that the topic requires more than a list entry. This wasn't an easy AfD to close, and I think asilvering nailed it. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250210211000-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> I think the topic of being covered at the proposed merge target is an excellent point for a merge discussion, and properly brought up here. </dd> <dd> This isn't a merge discussion. </dd> <dd> Until and unless <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:PEREN?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Rename_AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PEREN">WP:PEREN#Rename AFD</a> is overturned (which I favor) arguments about whether an article should be kept or not are off-topic. The proper (and only) decision an AfD should be making is "Is this article compliant with our inclusion criteria?" If it is, great, suggestions such as yours belong in a separate merge discussion. This is not me being POINTy about the rejection of a proposal I endorse, mind you, just attempting to consistently apply the community's will: If this isn't Articles for Discussion, then once the decision is made that deletion isn't appropriate, further nuanced discussion supporting such an outcome is against the will of the community. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jclemens">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Jclemens-20250211020500-OwenX-20250210211000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> AfD is for challenges to notability. Sometimes those challenges are entirely rebutted, and an article is kept: sometimes, they are partially rebutted, and a merger is a valid outcome. A merge does not presuppose that notability is met. In any case, I don't see how an attempt to explain the failure of a proposal at PEREN carries sufficient weight to obviate merge discussions at AfD, and when consensus for a merge exists, denying that possibility <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTBURO?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTBURO">is contrary to our ethos</a>. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Vanamonde93">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Vanamonde93-20250211040900-Jclemens-20250211020500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> I think it's relevant to the argument made by OwenX. His claim is that "...the Keep arguments failed to demonstrate how the proposed target of the redirect ... fails to cover the encyclopedic content." That isn't the bar for AfD and expecting the keep !voters to address that is moving the goalposts. Redirect is an outcome we consider if notability isn't there as an <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:AtD?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AtD">Alternative to Deletion</a>. AfD isn't the place to reach a merge/redirect outcome for organizational reasons--that option has been explicitly rejected by the community. OwenX appears to be endorsing the redirect for organizational reasons. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Hobit?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Hobit">Hobit</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Hobit?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Hobit">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Hobit-20250211155800-Vanamonde93-20250211040900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> That's not supported by common practice. When notability isn't in doubt, a merge request is appropriate, but there is no policy precluding mergers at AfD (and by extension, redirects when content exists at the target), and it would need consensus to prohibit such. Out of curiosity I skimmed my AfD closes and contributions, and found that in both cases approximately 5% of AfDs are closed "merge", which is 2-4 discussions per day. I've made nearly 100 merge closes myself, and I don't believe a single one has been overturned at DRV. If the community doesn't support merges at AfD, we're doing a bad job of showing it. While there is an interesting philosophical distinction between merging a non-notable subject as an alternative to deletion, and merging a notable subject for organizational reasons, in practice the distinction doesn't come up at AfD. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Vanamonde93">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Vanamonde93-20250211163300-Hobit-20250211155800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> <dd> You make a valid point, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Hobit?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Hobit">Hobit</a>. But the fact that so many AfDs are closed as Redirect or Merge when notability is marginal rather than missing, especially when the topic is adequately covered elsewhere, suggests that the community is fine with letting AfD adjudicate what you call "organizational" choices in such cases. There's a reason why <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NOPAGE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOPAGE">WP:NOPAGE</a> is part of the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:N?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">WP:N</a> set of guidelines. We consider coverage in another article or list to be admissible and relevant evidence in deciding the fate of an article at AfD, just like we do with a <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:REDUNDANTFORK?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REDUNDANTFORK">WP:REDUNDANTFORK</a>, where we redirect or merge even if the topic is perfectly notable. But again, in this particular AfD, there was consensus not to retain the article as a standalone page, so the Redirect outcome was very much an alternative to deletion, and a sensible one at that. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250211170900-Hobit-20250211155800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> So is there a sense here that these are sufficient justification to take "Rename AfD" off of PEREN and actually do it? Or, at the very least, a number of us who appreciate the nuanced discussions rather than boolean outcomes can advocate for such so I'm not <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:1AM?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:1AM">WP:1AM</a> next time this comes up? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jclemens">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Jclemens-20250211185500-OwenX-20250211170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> I'd gladly support this proposal, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a>, but doubt it'll pass an RfC. You may remember we've renamed AfD once before; it used to be called "VfD" about twenty years ago. It was easier to change policy back then. These days, inertia and the "if it ain't broke" crowd block almost any attempt at improving things, even if it's just describing in policy what is already our standard practice. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Only a few weeks ago, at the request of an AfD regular, I tried to add a subheader to a commonly referenced section in one of our policy pages. I was met with fierce resistance from another admin, who insisted that "we don't need a separate header [...] we have plenty already". That page's ToC lists 21 headers, including a few that are far less useful than the one I tried to add. But apparently, 21 is the magic number; at 22 headers, we become a bureaucracy. Trying to reason with them on the policy Talk page proved futile. I've seen similar reaction to proposed change on other policy pages. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> You, Jclemens, did a great job penning many of our policies and guidelines. But I fear they've now become immutable Scripture, to be interpreted at discussions like this one, but never modified. But please ping me if you restart that debate. I'd be happy to add my support for a change that would give Articles for Discussion more leeway in picking the best outcome, and not just as alternatives to deletion. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250211194400-Jclemens-20250211185500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> <dd> I would support such a change - perhaps hesitantly, since the current name is perhaps misleading but less opaque to a newcomer. But yes, since we allow other outcomes, and for symmetry with other processes, I would support. I share OwenX's scepticism about it's chances. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Vanamonde93">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Vanamonde93-20250211195700-Jclemens-20250211185500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> Owenx, the problem with your interpretation of this consensus - and it's not clear from the AfD because no one mentioned it, and I mentioned it in the petition - is that the article was slowly HEYed beginning on 20 January, but the majority of the delete/redirect !votes came before that time, between 17 and 20 January. Before that, the article had three sources and I admit that I would not have passed it from AfC. So there's not really consensus that this article needs to be redirected, which I agree would be the correct outcome if the AfD had closed on the 20th. (The argument this is pieced together from breaking news fails as well because of the coverage of this incident over the years, that's one of the reasons why we have <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:LASTING?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LASTING">WP:LASTING</a>. I also had to specifically look at historical newspapers for <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a>, which a lot of people don't do.) <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SportingFlyer-20250211225400-OwenX-20250211170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a>, I agree that the article was improved during the AfD. But that was never the issue. Those arguing for deletion didn't do so because the article wasn't written well enough, and some didn't even argue that it was inadequately sourced. The question was whether we need a standalone article for this event at all, seeing as we arguably already have the encyclopedic content at the target of the redirect. At its root, this was a debate about redundancy, not about sourcing or prose quality. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250211231500-SportingFlyer-20250211225400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Again, no one really argued for that, apart from acknowledging that it could be redirected instead of deleted. I'm sorry I'm close to bludgeoning at this point, but I really feel like the goalposts just keep getting moved here. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SportingFlyer-20250212040700-OwenX-20250211231500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> Hobit, do you have a link for <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">AfD isn't the place to reach a merge/redirect outcome for organizational reasons--that option has been explicitly rejected by the community.</q>? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Flatscan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Flatscan">Flatscan</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Flatscan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Flatscan">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Flatscan-20250212052500-Hobit-20250211155800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl></li> <li>!Voted to delete: A reminder that primary sources (those that introduce new information rather than reexamining existing information) rightfully do not count toward <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. This includes news coverage: The relevant guideline is at <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:RSBREAKING?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSBREAKING">WP:RSBREAKING</a>, further explanation is at <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS">WP:PRIMARYNEWS</a>, and I express my own thoughts about this in greater detail at <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien/Avoid_contemporary_sources?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Thebiguglyalien/Avoid contemporary sources">User:Thebiguglyalien/Avoid contemporary sources</a>. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Thebiguglyalien">Thebiguglyalien</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Thebiguglyalien?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Thebiguglyalien">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Thebiguglyalien-20250211200500-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Endorse per OwenX. Couldn't have put it any better. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Stifle?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Stifle">Stifle</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Stifle?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Stifle">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Stifle-20250212085200-SportingFlyer-20250209213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)">  <h2 id="Recent_discussions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recent_discussions-20250205154000"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recent?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recent">Recent discussions</a></h2> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">  </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="8_February_2025" data-mw-thread-id="h-8_February_2025-Recent_discussions-20250208213800"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_February_8?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 February 8">8 February 2025</a></h3> </div> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed mw-archivedtalk" style="width: 100%; text-align: left; border: 0px; margin-top: 0.2em;"> <tbody> <tr> <th style="background-color: #f2dfce; font-weight:normal; text-align:left;"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Paolo_Rossi_(footballer,_born_1982)&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Paolo Rossi (footballer, born 1982) (page does not exist)">Paolo_Rossi_(footballer,_born_1982)</a> – Moot. AfD reopened <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Star Mississippi">Star</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Star Mississippi">Mississippi</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Star_Mississippi-20250208222300-8_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></th> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The following is an archived debate of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page above. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white;"> <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Paolo_Rossi_(footballer,_born_1982)&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Paolo Rossi (footballer, born 1982) (page does not exist)">Paolo_Rossi_(footballer,_born_1982)</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Talk:Paolo_Rossi_(footballer,_born_1982)&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Talk:Paolo Rossi (footballer, born 1982) (page does not exist)">talk</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DPaolo_Rossi_(footballer,_born_1982)%26action%3Dedit">edit</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DPaolo_Rossi_(footballer,_born_1982)%26action%3Dhistory">history</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:Log%26page%3DPaolo_Rossi_%2528footballer%252C_born_1982%2529">logs</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Paolo_Rossi_(footballer,_born_1982)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Paolo Rossi (footballer, born 1982)">links</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DPaolo_Rossi_(footballer,_born_1982)%26action%3Dwatch">watch</a>) (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Paolo_Rossi_(footballer,_born_1982)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paolo Rossi (footballer, born 1982)">XfD</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Undelete/Paolo_Rossi_(footballer,_born_1982)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Undelete/Paolo Rossi (footballer, born 1982)">restore</a>) </dd> </dl>This discussion was closed by a non-administrator as "no consensus", with zero further explanation. However, as the !vote counts superficially are close (5 delete, 2 weak keeps, 2 keeps, but with several keeps based conclusively on non-RS), and because deletion would have been a reasonable outcome, I believe this should have been evaluated by an admin, per our <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NACD?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NACD">deletion guideline</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Close calls and controversial decisions are better left to admins.</q> The recent global consensus of <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:SPORTSCRIT?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPORTSCRIT">WP:SPORTSCRIT</a> requires a source of IRS SIGCOV be cited in all sportsperson articles, in addition to the subject meeting GNG, but the only source in the AfD argued as even approaching SIGCOV was later shown to be AI-generated. Other sources claimed to be evidence of notability were primary stats pages, the subject's own league website, blogs, and coverage that the keep !voters agreed was merely passing mentions, which all objectively fail GNG. Therefore, the three !votes of editors claiming SIGCOV based on these sources should have been appropriately down-weighted, as should have arguments asserting notability based on deprecated NFOOTY criteria and/or that did not identify a SPORTSCRIT-meeting source.Asking the original closer to reconsider was unproductive ( <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Hi there, that wasn’t a controversial discussion that required an admin to close. Try deletion review as my close was correct.</q>). I am asking that this AfD be reopened and relisted/closed by an admin, as deletion should have been considered and at the very least there should have been a more detailed explanation for the close. Even if the outcome ends up being NC, I think it is inappropriate for NACs to make such closes. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:JoelleJay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:JoelleJay">JoelleJay</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:JoelleJay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:JoelleJay">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-JoelleJay-20250208213800-8_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The above is an archive of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="7_February_2025" data-mw-thread-id="h-7_February_2025-Recent_discussions-20250207064300"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_February_7?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 February 7">7 February 2025</a></h3> </div> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed mw-archivedtalk" style="width: 100%; text-align: left; border: 0px; margin-top: 0.2em;"> <tbody> <tr> <th style="background-color: #f2dfce; font-weight:normal; text-align:left;"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template:Drake_series&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Template:Drake series (page does not exist)">Template:Drake series</a> – Not a matter for DRV as noted below. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Star Mississippi">Star</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Star Mississippi">Mississippi</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Star_Mississippi-20250207153400-7_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></th> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The following is an archived debate of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page above. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white;"> <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template:Drake_series&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Template:Drake series (page does not exist)">Template:Drake series</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Drake_series&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Template talk:Drake series (page does not exist)">talk</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DTemplate:Drake_series%26action%3Dedit">edit</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DTemplate:Drake_series%26action%3Dhistory">history</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:Log%26page%3DTemplate%253ADrake%2Bseries">logs</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Drake_series?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Drake series">links</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DTemplate:Drake_series%26action%3Dwatch">watch</a>) (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_3?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Template:Drake_series" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 3">XfD</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Undelete/Template:Drake_series?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Undelete/Template:Drake series">restore</a>) </dd> </dl><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Drake_(musician)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Drake (musician)">Template:Drake (musician)</a> already existed; why do we have this template in the first place? Plus, it takes much space in articles. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:TheAmazingPeanuts?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:TheAmazingPeanuts">TheAmazingPeanuts</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:TheAmazingPeanuts?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:TheAmazingPeanuts">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-TheAmazingPeanuts-20250207064300-7_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:43, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <ul> <li>Procedural close as wrong venue. The appellant is not contesting the deletion discussion, but rather the recreation of a template that was previously deleted at the linked discussion. This can potentially be speedy deleted via <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:G4?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G4">WP:G4</a>, for which I tagged it. I am not an admin so I can not assess whether this version and the deleted version are <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">sufficiently identical</q> to each other. If this is not eligible for G4, then a second TFD can be opened. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Frank Anchor">Frank</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Frank Anchor">Anchor</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Frank_Anchor-20250207150400-TheAmazingPeanuts-20250207064300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The above is an archive of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed mw-archivedtalk" style="width: 100%; text-align: left; border: 0px; margin-top: 0.2em;"> <tbody> <tr> <th style="background-color: #f2dfce; font-weight:normal; text-align:left;"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Debangshu_Bhattacharya?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Debangshu Bhattacharya">Debangshu Bhattacharya</a> – Decision endorsed <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Pppery-20250215054700-7_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:47, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></th> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The following is an archived debate of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page above. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white;"> <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Debangshu_Bhattacharya?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Debangshu Bhattacharya">Debangshu Bhattacharya</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Talk:Debangshu_Bhattacharya&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Talk:Debangshu Bhattacharya (page does not exist)">talk</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DDebangshu_Bhattacharya%26action%3Dedit">edit</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DDebangshu_Bhattacharya%26action%3Dhistory">history</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:Log%26page%3DDebangshu%2BBhattacharya">logs</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Debangshu_Bhattacharya?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Debangshu Bhattacharya">links</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DDebangshu_Bhattacharya%26action%3Dwatch">watch</a>) (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Debangshu_Bhattacharya?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Debangshu Bhattacharya">XfD</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Undelete/Debangshu_Bhattacharya?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Undelete/Debangshu Bhattacharya">restore</a>) </dd> </dl>See below, it was breaking the template. Procedural on behalf of Konko Maji <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Star Mississippi">Star</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Star Mississippi">Mississippi</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Star_Mississippi-20250207210600-7_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a> -->[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <ul> <li>Nomination request:</li> <li>Reason for review:</li> </ul>I respectfully request a reconsideration of the deletion of the Debangshu Bhattacharya article. Bhattacharya meets Wikipedia’s notability criteria for politicians (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOL?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOL">WP:NPOL</a>) as he has had a significant impact on West Bengal politics beyond just contesting the 2024 Lok Sabha elections from Tamluk. He is the State President of the AITC IT & Social Media Cell and is widely recognized for coining the slogan "Khela Hobe", which became a major political anthem during the 2021 West Bengal Assembly elections. His contributions to political discourse, digital campaign strategies, and youth mobilization have been extensively covered by national and regional media. Additionally, I have gathered independent, reliable sources that establish his notability beyond election-related coverage.I request a review to determine if the deletion was appropriate or if the article should be restored and improved with proper citations.New reliable sources: <ul> <li>"TMC picks IT cell head to take on ex-judge Abhijit Gangopadhyay in Tamluk Lok Sabha" – <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/tmc-picks-it-cell-head-to-take-on-ex-judge-abhijit-gangopadhyay-in-tamluk-lok-sabha/articleshow/108376661.cms">The Times of India</a> Discusses Bhattacharya’s political journey, his influence in West Bengal elections, and his impact on digital political movements.</li> <li>"Tamluk Lok Sabha Election Results 2024: TMC’s Debangshu Bhattacharya vs BJP’s Abhijit Gangopadhyay" – <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/tamluk-election-results-2024-west-bengal-tamluk-lok-sabha-elections-poll-result-updates-debangshu-bhattacharya-tmc-sayan-banerjee-cpm-abhijit-gangopadhyay-bjp/articleshow/110675392.cms?utm%2520source%3Dchatgpt.co">The Times of India</a> Covers Bhattacharya’s electoral performance and his role in the political contest against key opposition figures.</li> <li>"Debangshu Bhattacharya News and Political Impact" – <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.anandabazar.com/topic/debangshu-bhattacharya">Anandabazar Patrika</a> Provides continuous coverage of Bhattacharya’s political activities, public statements, and influence within the TMC.</li> </ul>I believe that these sources demonstrate his political notability and meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOL?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOL">WP:NPOL</a>, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>). I request the article’s reconsideration and potential restoration with proper sourcing. — Preceding <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Konko_Maji&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Konko Maji (page does not exist)">Konko Maji</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Konko_Maji&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User talk:Konko Maji (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Konko_Maji?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Konko Maji">contribs</a>) <ul> <li>Filer note, <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DWikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_February_7%26diff%3Dprev%26oldid%3D1274523813">their original request</a> if attribution needed. With the bullets, I had some issues with the template as well. Anyone is welcome to clean up further. I am neutral. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Star Mississippi">Star</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Star Mississippi">Mississippi</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Star_Mississippi-20250207210700-Star_Mississippi-20250207210600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Endorse this isn't a second AfD - it's reviewing whether the closer got the consensus correct, and they did. Furthermore there does not appear to be a mistake made by those deleting, NPOL is for elected officials only. The redirect may need to be deleted as well as he is not mentioned on the page with the redirect. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SportingFlyer-20250207222500-Star_Mississippi-20250207210600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Endorse the closure to the extent that this is an appeal of the closure by Asilvering as Delete. This appears to be partly AFD Round 2 and partly a request to add new sources. The title has not been salted, and the appellant may create a draft and submit it for review. The reviewer would be well advised to request that the deleted article be provided to them in user space or email so that they can compare the draft against the deleted article. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Robert_McClenon-20250208052700-Star_Mississippi-20250207210600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:27, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Previous closer here, but with "AFD closer hat" off and "<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC">WP:AFC</a> reviewer hat" on: these sources don't help the case for notability. You can try recreating the article directly or making a draft and putting it through AFC, but I don't think that will end anywhere other than deletion. Sorry. -- <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Asilvering?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Asilvering-20250208061200-Star_Mississippi-20250207210600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:12, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The above is an archive of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="6_February_2025" data-mw-thread-id="h-6_February_2025-Recent_discussions-20250206140400"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_February_6?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 February 6">6 February 2025</a></h3> </div> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed mw-archivedtalk" style="width: 100%; text-align: left; border: 0px; margin-top: 0.2em;"> <tbody> <tr> <th style="background-color: #f2dfce; font-weight:normal; text-align:left;"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Mehdi_Hasan_Khan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Mehdi Hasan Khan">Mehdi Hasan Khan</a> – Decision endorsed, protected. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> 05:48, 15 February 2025 (UTC) <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Pppery-20250215054800-6_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></th> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The following is an archived debate of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page above. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white;"> <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Mehdi_Hasan_Khan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Mehdi Hasan Khan">Mehdi Hasan Khan</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk:Mehdi_Hasan_Khan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk:Mehdi Hasan Khan">talk</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DMehdi_Hasan_Khan%26action%3Dedit">edit</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DMehdi_Hasan_Khan%26action%3Dhistory">history</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:Log%26page%3DMehdi%2BHasan%2BKhan">logs</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Mehdi_Hasan_Khan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Mehdi Hasan Khan">links</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DMehdi_Hasan_Khan%26action%3Dwatch">watch</a>) (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mehdi_Hasan_Khan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mehdi Hasan Khan">XfD</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Undelete/Mehdi_Hasan_Khan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Undelete/Mehdi Hasan Khan">restore</a>) </dd> </dl>The article was deleted (actually redirected) in 2 October 2024 (see <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mehdi_Hasan_Khan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mehdi Hasan Khan">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mehdi Hasan Khan</a>) because it was <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPREQUESTDELETE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPREQUESTDELETE">WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP1E?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP1E">WP:BLP1E</a>. But in 2025 the subject got <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Ekushey_Padak?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Ekushey Padak">Ekushey Padak</a>, the second highest civilian award in Bangladesh (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.tbsnews.net/bangladesh/womens-football-team-avro-keyboard-creator-13-others-be-awarded-ekushey-padak-1062596">this news</a>). As Ekushey Padak helped to meet the subject <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:ANYBIO?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANYBIO">WP:ANYBIO</a> (1 and 2), I request to restore the article. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mehedi_Abedin?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mehedi Abedin">Mehedi Abedin</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Mehedi_Abedin-20250206140400-6_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> You're ignoring the BLPRequestDelete part of the argument. Getting the award also unfortunately did not help in getting more coverage to meet Notability's goals. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Aaron Liu">Aaron Liu</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Aaron_Liu-20250206142500-Mehedi_Abedin-20250206140400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> <ul> <li>Endorse and protect redirect. Subject does not want an article and there is no encyclopedic need for one. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Star Mississippi">Star</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Star Mississippi">Mississippi</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Star_Mississippi-20250207154200-Mehedi_Abedin-20250206140400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Noting that I have temporarily protected the redirect because the edits should not be happening until this DRV is resolved (in either direction). IF another admin feels that was the wrong action, feel free to revert without checking with me. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Star Mississippi">Star</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Star Mississippi">Mississippi</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Star_Mississippi-20250207173700-Star_Mississippi-20250207154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl></li> <li>Endorse and protect per above. Clear case of BLPREQUESTDELETE on a relatively unknown person. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Frank Anchor">Frank</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Frank Anchor">Anchor</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Frank_Anchor-20250207155000-Mehedi_Abedin-20250206140400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Endorse and protect per above, there is a clear and valid reason not to restore this. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SportingFlyer-20250207181600-Mehedi_Abedin-20250206140400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Unredirect "BLP Request Delete" is trumped by the article subject later accepting a public award that garnered national press. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WIALPI?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIALPI">WP:WIALPI</a> may be instructive here: People don't get to live their lives as public figures but just want to not have a Wikipedia article; that isn't how this works. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jclemens">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Jclemens-20250212052100-Mehedi_Abedin-20250206140400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> How much information does that national press give us? I don't see anything we could add to the article version from it, besides the simple fact that he won an award. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Aaron Liu">Aaron Liu</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Aaron_Liu-20250212161600-Jclemens-20250212052100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Agreed that it adds no background. It just moves the article subject from someone who has a presumption of ability to decline an article, to someone who does not. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jclemens">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Jclemens-20250212225800-Aaron_Liu-20250212161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl></li> <li>Endorse. Even if we decline the BLPREQUESTDELETE per <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a>, there is still consensus that the article fails our standard BLP1E and GNG criteria, and that the 1E itself is already sufficiently covered in the proposed target. This article didn't need a request by its subject to reach this outcome. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250212105600-Mehedi_Abedin-20250206140400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The above is an archive of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed mw-archivedtalk" style="width: 100%; text-align: left; border: 0px; margin-top: 0.2em;"> <tbody> <tr> <th style="background-color: #f2dfce; font-weight:normal; text-align:left;"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Hemlata_Mahishwar?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Hemlata Mahishwar">Hemlata Mahishwar</a> – "Keep" closure endorsed. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Sandstein?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Sandstein"> Sandstein </a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Sandstein-20250214103000-6_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></th> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The following is an archived debate of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page above. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white;"> <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Hemlata_Mahishwar?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Hemlata Mahishwar">Hemlata Mahishwar</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk:Hemlata_Mahishwar?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk:Hemlata Mahishwar">talk</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DHemlata_Mahishwar%26action%3Dedit">edit</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DHemlata_Mahishwar%26action%3Dhistory">history</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:Log%26page%3DHemlata%2BMahishwar">logs</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Hemlata_Mahishwar?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Hemlata Mahishwar">links</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DHemlata_Mahishwar%26action%3Dwatch">watch</a>) (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hemlata_Mahishwar?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hemlata Mahishwar">XfD</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Undelete/Hemlata_Mahishwar?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Undelete/Hemlata Mahishwar">restore</a>) </dd> </dl>The Keep votes are not policy based. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:AndySailz?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:AndySailz">AndySailz</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndySaliz&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User talk:AndySaliz (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-AndySaliz-20250206161900-6_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <ul> <li>Speedy endorse; no acceptable rationale for a deletion review has been offered per <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:DRVPURPOSE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRVPURPOSE">WP:DRVPURPOSE</a>. (On the merits, the appellant is wrong; "keep" !voters cited NACADEMIC, NAUTHOR and other guidelines they argued the subject met. A no consensus close would have been within discretion, but that would have the same outcome as keep; deletion would not have been within discretion.) Of note, the appellant did not seek to discuss with the closer before opening this review. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Dclemens1971?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Dclemens1971">Dclemens1971</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Dclemens1971?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Dclemens1971">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Dclemens1971-20250206200700-AndySaliz-20250206161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> As an uninvolved person, I'm skeptical. The only thing quoted from NProf/NAcademic was misquoting of the "Average Professor Test" as "is this researcher better than average?" instead of "does this researcher stand out as clearly more notable or more accomplished?" while the guideline lists clear criteria to determine that, all of which Mahishwar fail. However, I'm not gonna !vote overturn because the only addressing of the NAuthor argument was @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Qflib?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Qflib">Qflib</a>'s claim that reviews must be in academia, which is not mentioned in said guideline and would be contrary to Notability's purpose of ensuring neutral coverage from all reliable sources. I also don't see why Forward Press is not a reliable source. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Aaron Liu">Aaron Liu</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Aaron_Liu-20250207010700-Dclemens1971-20250206200700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:07, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> I'm not saying I would have agreed with the "keep" !voters had I been a participant -- just that they did offer policy-based rationales contra the appellant's statement. We're not here to relitigate the discussion, just to evaluate the close. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Dclemens1971?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Dclemens1971">Dclemens1971</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Dclemens1971?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Dclemens1971">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Dclemens1971-20250207024600-Aaron_Liu-20250207010700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> <dd> For the record, I apologize for being impreccise. I only meant to point out that the reviews must be independent of the author and publisher. Certainly newspaper reviews from major outlets can satisfy this criterion. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Qflib?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Qflib">Qflib</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Qflib?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Qflib">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Qflib-20250207162300-Aaron_Liu-20250207010700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl></li> <li>Comment I wish only to comment that I do not think this was a good choice for a non-admin close, even by an experienced editor like <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Vanderwaalforces?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Vanderwaalforces">Vanderwaalforces</a>, as a discussion with policy-based arguments on both sides. I do think that keep or perhaps no consensus were the most likely outcomes, perhaps after a relist. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Russ_Woodroofe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Russ Woodroofe">Russ Woodroofe</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Russ_Woodroofe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Russ Woodroofe">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Russ_Woodroofe-20250206202800-AndySaliz-20250206161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Endorse I agree there is not an acceptable rationale for deletion review. I also agree that this was probably not the best discussion to close as a non-admin, since the arguments for and against deletion were strong and numerous, especially as one comment did not bold their delete rationale. --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Enos733?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Enos733">Enos733</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Enos733?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Enos733">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Enos733-20250206203300-AndySaliz-20250206161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>@<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:AndySaliz&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:AndySaliz (page does not exist)">AndySaliz</a> Please note that subsections will not give you notifications. To receive updates on edits to pages, click on the star on the top of the page to add it to your <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Watchlist?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Watchlist">Special:Watchlist</a>. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Aaron Liu">Aaron Liu</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Aaron_Liu-20250207011000-AndySaliz-20250206161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> Ugh, bad ping. @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:AndySailz?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:AndySailz">AndySailz</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Aaron_Liu?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Aaron Liu">Aaron Liu</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Aaron_Liu?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#top" title="User talk:Aaron Liu">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Aaron_Liu-20250207011300-Aaron_Liu-20250207011000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl></li> <li>Endorse as a valid assessment of rough consensus by the closer. It is ironic that the nominator-appellant replied to all of the Keep statements that they were <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:VAGUEWAVE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VAGUEWAVE">vague waves</a>, but their statement that the Keeps were not policy-based is a <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:VAGUEWAVE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VAGUEWAVE">vague wave</a>. The nominator was cautioned in the AFD about <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:BLUDGEON?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLUDGEON">bludgeoning</a> the AFD, and that caution should continue to apply in DRV. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Robert_McClenon-20250207060200-AndySaliz-20250206161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:02, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Endorse, reluctantly - I'm generally against non-admin closes, and I don't think those who wanted to keep this did a good enough job of laying out that argument, whereas those who even sort of !voted delete did a better job of engaging with the sources (a spot check of the BBC article shows she's just described as a professor and quoted.) However, there's nothing really to overturn here, and I can't see an admin making any other decision here. I would advise those wanting her to be kept to improve the article further and those advocating for delete to wait a few months and try again if that doesn't happen. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SportingFlyer-20250207181500-AndySaliz-20250206161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The above is an archive of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="5_February_2025" data-mw-thread-id="h-5_February_2025-Recent_discussions-20250205154000"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_February_5?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 February 5">5 February 2025</a></h3> </div> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed mw-archivedtalk" style="width: 100%; text-align: left; border: 0px; margin-top: 0.2em;"> <tbody> <tr> <th style="background-color: #f2dfce; font-weight:normal; text-align:left;"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/2010_Tarco_Air_Antonov_An-24_crash?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="2010 Tarco Air Antonov An-24 crash">2010 Tarco Air Antonov An-24 crash</a> – Relisted. There is no consensus here, opinion being divided between relist and endorse. Per <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:REOPEN?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REOPEN">WP:REOPEN</a>, in my individual capacity as an administrator, I'm reopening and relisting the AfD. It was clearly not unambiguous enough for a non-administrator to close. I also note that I have recently noticed inappropriate relists of other AfDs with a consensus against retention by the closer in this case, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:CipherRephic?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:CipherRephic">CipherRephic</a>, who has not commented here. I'm asking CipherRephic to limit their administrative involvement in AfDs to very clear cases that are appropriate for non-administrators to handle. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Sandstein?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Sandstein"> Sandstein </a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Sandstein-20250212083900-5_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> </ul></th> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The following is an archived debate of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page above. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white;"> <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/2010_Tarco_Air_Antonov_An-24_crash?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="2010 Tarco Air Antonov An-24 crash">2010 Tarco Air Antonov An-24 crash</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk:2010_Tarco_Air_Antonov_An-24_crash?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk:2010 Tarco Air Antonov An-24 crash">talk</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3D2010_Tarco_Air_Antonov_An-24_crash%26action%3Dedit">edit</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3D2010_Tarco_Air_Antonov_An-24_crash%26action%3Dhistory">history</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:Log%26page%3D2010%2BTarco%2BAir%2BAntonov%2BAn-24%2Bcrash">logs</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/2010_Tarco_Air_Antonov_An-24_crash?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/2010 Tarco Air Antonov An-24 crash">links</a><kbd>|</kbd><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3D2010_Tarco_Air_Antonov_An-24_crash%26action%3Dwatch">watch</a>) (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2010_Tarco_Air_Antonov_An-24_crash?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 Tarco Air Antonov An-24 crash">XfD</a><kbd>|</kbd><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Undelete/2010_Tarco_Air_Antonov_An-24_crash?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Undelete/2010 Tarco Air Antonov An-24 crash">restore</a>) </dd> </dl>I'm requesting that <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2010_Tarco_Air_Antonov_An-24_crash?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 Tarco Air Antonov An-24 crash">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 Tarco Air Antonov An-24 crash</a> be relisted. On the surface, four keeps and one delete might seem like a straightforward keep, however looking at discussion and the strength of the arguments, in my opinion, I don't think a keep closure was warranted. The keep arguments mostly felt weak, with some only commenting "per X" or "meets <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>" with the location of the accident (Sudan) being used as an excuse to exempt the event from notability guidelines, and mostly relied on non-P&G arguments to justify keeping the article. The sole <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2010_Tarco_Air_Antonov_An-24_crash%23c-PARAKANYAA-20250128110300-Aviationwikiflight-20250120154600">delete</a> basically refuted most of these arguments. The discussion could've benefited from a relist to allow further discussion on whether the sourcing was adequate, and whether or not <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:N(E)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N(E)">WP:N(E)</a> were met. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Aviationwikiflight?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Aviationwikiflight">Aviationwikiflight</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Aviationwikiflight?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Aviationwikiflight">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Aviationwikiflight-20250205154000-5_February_2025" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 5 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <ul> <li>Endorse the close of Keep after one relist as a valid exercise of judgment by the closer. A second Relist would have also been a valid exercise of judgment, but we, the reviewers at <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRV">DRV</a> are not each closing the discussion, but are assessing whether the closer's judgment was valid. One of the Keep !voters did cite policies and guidelines. The appellant disagrees with that interpretation of policies and guidelines, but the closer agreed. The appellant is not so much asking for AFD Round 2 as asking each deletion reviewer to perform their own close. We are not each closing the discussion, but are reviewing the close, which was a valid exercise of judgment. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Robert_McClenon-20250205160400-Aviationwikiflight-20250205154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 5 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Relist. While I wouldn't go as far as calling this a BADNAC, I do note that one of the Keeps has already been indef blocked at the time of closing, and the weight of the "meets WP:GNG for me" !vote is questionnable. And while WP:BIAS encourages us to reduce the amount of SIGCOV we require, I don't believe it allows us to reduce it to zero. This leaves us with two solid, P&G-based Deletes, and two or three Keeps of arguable strength. Not quite the uncontroversial situation we normally associate with a NAC, but also not to the point of an overturn. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:OwenX">Owen×</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:OwenX?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:OwenX"><big>☎</big></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-OwenX-20250205190700-Aviationwikiflight-20250205154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 5 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Endorse While it might be plausible to close as "no consensus," it is well within a closer's discretion to close as keep. SportingFlyer describes the sourcing in the article and other editors agreed specifically with the analysis. "Meets WP:GNG" is sufficient in a deletion discussion, especially after other editors have commented extensively on the sourcing. The only pause is that the last comment was to delete the article, with the comment pointing broadly to NEVENT and suggesting there is no secondary sources. That said, our community commonly treats news articles as secondary sources, not primary sources, so I don't think that comment carries much weight under our policies and guidelines.--<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Enos733?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Enos733">Enos733</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Enos733?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Enos733">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Enos733-20250205195400-Aviationwikiflight-20250205154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 5 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Weak endorse. There was no prospect of consensus to delete. The sole delete was a rebuttal, not a refutation. Sources should be secondary sources, that’s soft, and before noting “<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Ignore all rules">exceptions</a> may apply”. Aircraft destroyed, with deaths, that should be covered. The AfD did not address why it couldn’t be merged anywhere. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SmokeyJoe">SmokeyJoe</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SmokeyJoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SmokeyJoe-20250205212400-Aviationwikiflight-20250205154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 5 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> What policy or guideline based argument do you have for arguing something "should" be kept when it passes none of the notability guidelines? GNG requires secondary sources, and NEVENT is not met here. That something has fatalities does not make it notable. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-PARAKANYAA-20250207045300-SmokeyJoe-20250205212400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> WP:N and the WP:GNG are only <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Guidelines?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Guidelines">WP:Guidelines</a>. They are predictors of what usually happens at AfD. AfD is a process for finding community consensus and it is not bound by the notability guidelines. </dd> <dd> Your question about my use of should appears to be your misreading. Normally not passing notability guidelines means deletions, but not always. </dd> <dd> This crash is notable. Sources were secondary, even if they weren’t ongoing. The question of whether source coverage is ongoing is important, but in this case, the end of the investigation was conclusive. </dd> <dd> It is well enough sourced. The AfD failed to demonstrate <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a>. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SmokeyJoe">SmokeyJoe</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SmokeyJoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SmokeyJoe-20250209112900-PARAKANYAA-20250207045300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> This would imply that recent global consensuses on guidelines do not need to be observed if "in practice" they are sometimes ignored by a small number of !voters at AfD. This goes against LOCALCON. WP:N et al are not only predictors of AfD outcomes; they also reflect the standards used for AfC, NPP, and redirection. Deletion policy also explicitly cites failure to meet notability guidelines as a reason for deletion, and WP:AFD says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">AfDs are a place for rational discussion of whether an article is able to meet Wikipedia's article guidelines and policies</q>, so I don't see how they aren't "bound" by the guidelines. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:JoelleJay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:JoelleJay">JoelleJay</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:JoelleJay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:JoelleJay">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-JoelleJay-20250210175800-SmokeyJoe-20250209112900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> LOCALCON is not applicable to AfD. If you don’t like an AfD “delete” you can seek recreation via AfC. If you don’t like an AfD “keep”, see <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:RENOM?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RENOM">WP:RENOM</a>. </dd> <dd> The article has sources, and some secondary source content, and it was a commercial passenger plane, and it crashed, killed people’s and was written off. That sounds like something that gets covered. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SmokeyJoe">SmokeyJoe</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SmokeyJoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SmokeyJoe-20250210214300-JoelleJay-20250210175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> That something killed people is not enough. There are bombings that have killed dozens of people that don't pass NEVENT because they happened in places that have so many acts of terrorism their news cannot cover each individual incident. If it doesn't have sufficient sourcing we do not cover it as its own article. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-PARAKANYAA-20250212002600-SmokeyJoe-20250210214300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> AfD, is, as JoelleJay says, about whether an articles meets our notability guidelines and other policies, so of course it is bound by those rules. If we're going to ignore all rules and just keep it because we feel like it, why bother with AfD at all? Why not keep everything? What makes this article worth keeping? Nothing, it passes none of our guidelines. </dd> <dd> No, it's not secondary. Only some kinds of news reporting are secondary. A secondary source is one that reflects or analyzes - which obviously cannot be done the day of. The idea that we should keep articles on events that made the news for a period of only days is ludicrous. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-PARAKANYAA-20250210203600-SmokeyJoe-20250209112900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:36, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> You are not quite completely correct about secondary sources. A secondary source can be written in the day, depending on what exactly you are using the source for. </dd> <dd> The first reference is a reliable independent secondary source. Although first written on the day, it was updated as late as 2 1/2 years later with the results of the crash report. Your “delete” !vote was not as strong as you think. </dd> <dd> Did you consider and dismiss all “merge” possibilities? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SmokeyJoe">SmokeyJoe</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SmokeyJoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SmokeyJoe-20250210220100-PARAKANYAA-20250210203600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> If it's for the event in question, no. If it's referring to some other subject discussed in the article on the event, sure. </dd> <dd> Even if that was the case the brief update is not significant coverage compared to the original primary source and is only one source. </dd> <dd> I don't mind if it's merged but no target seemed obvious or compelling. AfD is first and foremost for notability questions. This does not pass GNG or NEVENt. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-PARAKANYAA-20250212002400-SmokeyJoe-20250210220100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> That’s a “Weak endorse” vs “no consensus” or “relist”, which at the time of close were alternatives. However, “delete” was not a possible close. I have sympathy for <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PARAKANYAA">User:PARAKANYAA</a> coming in late with a detailed !vote that was effectively ignored. I oppose “relist” despite that because it is a very old, completely inoffensive article and so there is no reason to rush. A few months for people to have a few breaths before coming back fresh is always better in cases like this. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SmokeyJoe">SmokeyJoe</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SmokeyJoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SmokeyJoe-20250210215000-SmokeyJoe-20250205212400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl></li> <li>Endorse, noting that I would have also endorsed a close of “no consensus.” There was clearly not consensus to delete and nothing indicated that consensus to delete could form if the discussion was relisted for another week. SportingFlyer asserts the coverage in the article meets GNG, and this claim is not successfully refuted despite Aviationwikiflight grasping at straws in an attempt to discredit these sources. The other delete vote falsely claimed the sources were primary, so that vote was correctly given less weight by the closer. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Frank Anchor">Frank</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Frank_Anchor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Frank Anchor">Anchor</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Frank_Anchor-20250206034900-Aviationwikiflight-20250205154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Endorse and really--bringing a close against your own nomination here where your argumentation fails to persuade essentially everyone is poor form. I don't even see 'no consensus' as a reasonable close, given the preponderance of keep opinion and strength of argumentation. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jclemens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jclemens">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Jclemens-20250206055800-Aviationwikiflight-20250205154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Speedy endorse. Could not possibly have been closed any other way. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Stifle?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Stifle">Stifle</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Stifle?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Stifle">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-Stifle-20250206085400-Aviationwikiflight-20250205154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:54, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Relist. There were two valid delete !votes and 3 valid keep !votes, with only one of the keeps going into any detail on the sources (and they failed to demonstrate the required sustained coverage). The fact that all identified coverage was in the week that it occurred, 14 years ago, is an absolute rebuttal to any claim the topic meets NEVENT and NOTNEWS and this should have been weighted much more heavily. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:JoelleJay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:JoelleJay">JoelleJay</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:JoelleJay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:JoelleJay">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-JoelleJay-20250206192900-Aviationwikiflight-20250205154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>Relist (as the one delete vote). This obviously does not meet GNG because sourcing is from the day it happened and then it was never mentioned again. News articles can be secondary if they reflect on the original events which they obviously can't be if it's in the same week and they offer 0 analysis. The sourcing was also not in depth. Failing GNG, this does not pass a single aspect of NEVENT, and there was one vote that asserted that primary sources were secondary (they were not) and then two other votes basing theirs off that incorrect argument. Otherwise, literally everything that has ever made the news for two days that killed some people (every mass shooting, every mass stabbing, every industrial accident, every explosion) would be notable. Which is not the consensus. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-PARAKANYAA-20250207044300-Aviationwikiflight-20250205154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:43, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>]</li> <li>(involved) I clearly want this kept and think it's clearly within policy to do so, but I was surprised this was closed by a non-admin, and while I think keep is a valid reading of the discussion I thought this would go no consensus. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SportingFlyer-20250207181800-Aviationwikiflight-20250205154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] <dl> <dd> I agree. It might have been better closed as “no consensus”. In retrospect, it probably should have been left open longer to see replies to the last “delete” !vote. The NAC-er should see that their close was not net-helpful, and they should be more careful with contested discussions. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SmokeyJoe">SmokeyJoe</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SmokeyJoe?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SmokeyJoe">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review%23c-SmokeyJoe-20250210220500-SportingFlyer-20250207181800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">reply</a>] </dd> </dl></li> </ul></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center;">The above is an archive of the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">deletion review</a> of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"> <h2 id="Archive" data-mw-thread-id="h-Archive"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Archive?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Archive">Archive</a></h2> </div> <section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <table class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto;"> <caption> Archives, by year and month </caption> <tbody> <tr> <th scope="col" style="width: 4em">Year</th> <th scope="col" style="width: 4em"><abbr title="January">Jan</abbr></th> <th scope="col" style="width: 4em"><abbr title="February">Feb</abbr></th> <th scope="col" style="width: 4em"><abbr title="March">Mar</abbr></th> <th scope="col" style="width: 4em"><abbr title="April">Apr</abbr></th> <th scope="col" style="width: 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href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_March&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 March (page does not exist)">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_April&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 April (page does not exist)">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_May&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 May (page does not exist)">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2025_June&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" 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title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2020 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2020_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2020 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2019</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2018</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2018_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2017</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2016</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2015</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2014</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2013</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2013_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2012</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2011</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2010</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2009</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2008</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2007</th> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_January?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 January">Jan</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_February?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 February">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_March?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 March">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_April?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 April">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_May?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 May">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_June?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 June">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_July?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 July">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_August?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 August">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_September?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 September">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_October?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 October">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_November?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 November">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">2006</th> <td>Jan</td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_February)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recently concluded (2006 February)">Feb</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_March)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recently concluded (2006 March)">Mar</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_April)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recently concluded (2006 April)">Apr</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_May)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recently concluded (2006 May)">May</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_June)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recently concluded (2006 June)">Jun</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_July)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recently concluded (2006 July)">Jul</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_August)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recently concluded (2006 August)">Aug</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_September)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recently concluded (2006 September)">Sep</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_October)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recently concluded (2006 October)">Oct</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_November)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recently concluded (2006 November)">Nov</a></td> <td><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_December?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 December">Dec</a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div class="navbox-styles"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1236075235">.mw-parser-output .navbox{box-sizing:border-box;border:1px solid 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.navbox{display:none!important}}</style> </div> <div role="navigation" class="navbox" aria-labelledby="Wikipedia_community1200" style="padding:3px"> <table class="nowraplinks hlist mw-collapsible mw-collapsed navbox-inner" style="border-spacing:0;background:transparent;color:inherit"> <tbody> <tr> <th scope="col" class="navbox-title" colspan="2" style="text-align: center;"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239400231"> <div class="navbar plainlinks hlist navbar-mini"> <ul> <li class="nv-view"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Wikipedia_community?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Wikipedia community"><abbr title="View this template">v</abbr></a></li> <li class="nv-talk"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Wikipedia_community?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template talk:Wikipedia community"><abbr title="Discuss this template">t</abbr></a></li> <li class="nv-edit"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EditPage/Template:Wikipedia_community?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EditPage/Template:Wikipedia community"><abbr title="Edit this template">e</abbr></a></li> </ul> </div> <div id="Wikipedia_community1200" style="font-size:114%;margin:0 4em"> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia_community?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia community">Wikipedia community</a> </div></th> </tr> <tr> <td class="navbox-abovebelow" colspan="2" style="text-align: center;"> <div> For a listing of current collaborations, tasks, and news, see the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Community portal">Community portal</a>. For a listing of ongoing discussions and current requests, see the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Dashboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Dashboard">Dashboard</a>. </div></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align: center;;width:1%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:About?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:About">General community topics</a></th> <td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"> <div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Administration?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Administration">Administration</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:News?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:News">News</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">The Signpost</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Goings-on?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Goings-on">Goings-on</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_the_media?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia in the media">In the media</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Meetup">Meetups</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Mailing lists">Mailing lists</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedians">Wikipedians</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Statistics?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Statistics">Statistics</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library">The Wikipedia Library</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Centralized discussion">Centralized discussion</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Village pump">Village pump</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)">Idea lab</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)">Policy</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)">Proposals</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)">Technical</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)">Miscellaneous</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)">WMF</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_holidays?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia holidays">Holidays</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Bots">Bots</a></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align: center;;width:1%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Contents?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Contents">Contents</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_assessment?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Content assessment">grading</a></th> <td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"> <div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requested articles">Requested articles</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Most-wanted_articles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Most-wanted articles">Most-wanted articles</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Images?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requested articles/Images">Images needing articles</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_pictures?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requested pictures">Articles needing images</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for creation</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC/R?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC/R">WP:AFC/R</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC/C?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC/C">WP:AFC/C</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Help:Your_first_article?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Help:Your first article">Creating articles</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk">Help</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Vital_articles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Vital articles">Vital articles</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_improvement?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for improvement">Articles for improvement</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Peer review">Peer review</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations">Good article nominations</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates">Featured article candidates</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Featured list candidates">Lists</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates">Pictures</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_and_good_topic_candidates?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates">Topics</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Translation">Article translation</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Pages_needing_translation_into_English?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English">Pages</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk:Main_Page?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk:Main Page">Main Page</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors">Errors</a></li> </ul></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align: center;;width:1%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject">WikiProjects</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_collaborations?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Wikipedia collaborations">collaborations</a></th> <td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"> <div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory">Directory</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/Culture?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture">Culture and the arts</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/Geographical?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Geographical">Geographical</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/History and society">History and society</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/Science?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Science">Science, technology and engineering</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/Wikipedia?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Wikipedia">Wikipedia assistance and tasks</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Patrols?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Patrols">Patrols</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_changes_patrol?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol">Recent changes</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism_Unit?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit">Counter-Vandalism Unit</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Accessibility?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Accessibility">Accessibility</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Wikipedian_organizations?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Wikipedian organizations">Organizations category</a></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align: center;;width:1%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Awards?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Awards">Awards</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Positive_feedback?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Positive feedback">feedback</a></th> <td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"> <div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Reward_board?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Reward board">Reward board</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Contests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Contests">Contests</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:A_nice_cup_of_tea_and_a_sit_down?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:A nice cup of tea and a sit down">A nice cup of tea and a sit down</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Charitableness?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Charitableness">Charitableness</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLove?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiLove">WikiLove</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Compliment_before_criticism?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Compliment before criticism">Compliment before criticism</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Kindness_Campaign?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Kindness Campaign">Kindness Campaign</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Help:Notifications/Thanks?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Help:Notifications/Thanks">Thanks!</a></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align: center;;width:1%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Maintenance?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Maintenance">Maintenance tasks</a></th> <td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"> <div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Task_Center?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Task Center">Task Center</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal/Open_tasks?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Community portal/Open tasks">Open tasks</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Backlog?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Backlog">Backlog</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_backlog?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Wikipedia backlog">Category</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Administrative_backlog?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Administrative backlog">Admin category</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">Edit requests</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_edit_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Wikipedia edit requests">Category</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Database reports">Database reports</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Category_tracker?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Category tracker">Category tracker</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Forgotten_articles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Forgotten articles">Dusty articles</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:SpecialPages?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:SpecialPages">Special pages</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:NewPagesFeed">New pages</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:RecentChanges">Recent changes</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_controversial_issues?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:List of controversial issues">Controversial issues</a></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align: center;;width:1%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Administrators">Administrators</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Noticeboards?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Noticeboards">noticeboards</a></th> <td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"> <div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">Administrators' noticeboard</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Incidents</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring">Edit warring</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism">Vandalism</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Admin_dashboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Admin dashboard">Admin dashboard</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_administrator_attention?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for administrator attention">Admin requests</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Requests_for_closure?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure">Closure</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for page protection">Page protection</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for permissions">User permissions</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations">Sockpuppets</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Open_proxies?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Open proxies">Open proxies</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Revision_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Revision deletion">Revision deletion</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Oversight">Oversight</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_oversight?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for oversight">Request</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Usernames_for_administrator_attention?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention">Usernames</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_username?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Changing username">Changing</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Titleblacklist?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist">Title blacklist</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:OTRS_noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTRS noticeboard">OTRS</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard">Bureaucrats'</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">Requests for adminship</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#About_RfB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">bureaucratship</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard">Arbitration Committee</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests">Requests</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement">Enforcement</a></li> </ul></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align: center;;width:1%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Resolving_content_disputes_with_outside_help" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution">Content dispute resolution</a></th> <td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"> <div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/All?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/All">Requests for comment</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Third_opinion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Third opinion">Third opinion</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard">Dispute resolution noticeboard</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard">Biographies of living persons</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard">Conflict of interest</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links/Noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard">External links</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard">Fringe theories</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard">Neutral point of view</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard">No original research</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard">Reliable sources</a></li> </ul></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align: center;;width:1%">Other noticeboards and assistance</th> <td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"> <div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Regional_notice_boards?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Regional notice boards">Regional notice boards</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Request_directory?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Request directory">Requests for help</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requests_related_to_help?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Wikipedia requests related to help">Category</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Questions?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Questions">Asking questions</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse">Teahouse</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Help desk">Help desk</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Reference desk">Reference desk</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user">Adopt-a-user</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_assistance?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Copyright assistance">Copyright assistance</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations">Copyright investigations</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_problems?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Copyright problems">Text problems</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Media copyright questions">Media questions</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request">Resource requests</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_mergers?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Proposed mergers">Mergers</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_history_merge?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for history merge">History mergers</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">Moves</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_importation?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for page importation">Page importation</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam">Spam</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist">Blacklist</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist">Whitelist</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard">Bots</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Education noticeboard">Education</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:General_sanctions?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:General sanctions">General sanctions</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Editing restrictions">Editor sanctions</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Long-term abuse">Long-term abuse</a></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align: center;;width:1%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Deletion_discussion_venues" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Deletion discussions</a></th> <td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"> <div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Guide to deletion">Guide</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_guidelines_for_administrators?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators">Admin</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:XfD_today?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:XfD today">Today</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">Articles</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion">Templates</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Files for discussion">Files</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">Categories</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion">Redirects</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion">Miscellany</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Speedy_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Speedy deletion">Speedy</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">Proposed</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion_of_biographies_of_living_people?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people">BLP</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Review</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion">Undeletion</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions">Arguments to avoid</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Arguments_to_make_in_deletion_discussions?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Arguments to make in deletion discussions">Arguments to make</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Rescue_Squadron?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron">Article Rescue</a></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align: center;;width:1%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Elections?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Elections">Elections</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Voting?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-disambig" title="Wikipedia:Voting">voting</a></th> <td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-even" style="width:100%;padding:0"> <div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment">Requests for comment</a> (<a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment" class="extiw" title="m:Requests for comment">meta</a>)</li> <li><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections" class="extiw" title="m:Wikimedia Foundation elections">Wikimedia Foundation elections</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Democracy?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Democracy">WP Democracy</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Times_that_1000_or_more_Wikipedians_supported_something?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Times that 1000 or more Wikipedians supported something">Milestones</a></li> </ul></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="text-align: center;;width:1%"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Directories_and_indexes?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Directories and indexes">Directories, indexes,</a> and summaries</th> <td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd" style="width:100%;padding:0"> <div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Department_directory?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Department directory">Departments</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_summary_legend?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Edit summary legend">Edit summary legend</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor%27s_index_to_Wikipedia?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Editor's index to Wikipedia">Editor's index</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Essay_directory?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Essay directory">Essays</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Index?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FAQ/Index">FAQs</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Glossary?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Glossary">Glossary</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_abbreviations?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia abbreviations">Abbreviations</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Help:Directory?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Help:Directory">Help</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Contents?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Contents">Manual of Style</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Simplified_Manual_of_Style?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Simplified Manual of Style">Simplified</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Simplified_ruleset?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Simplified ruleset">Rules</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Five pillars">Five pillars</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:List of policies">Policies</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_guidelines?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:List of guidelines">Guidelines</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut_index?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut index">Shortcuts</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_index?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Template index">Templates</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_templates?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Citation templates">Citation templates</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Tips?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Tips">Tips</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Tip_of_the_day?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Tip of the day">Today</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Tools">Tools</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Help:Cheatsheet?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Help:Cheatsheet">Wiki markup</a></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="navbox-abovebelow" colspan="2" style="text-align: center;"> <div> <ul> <li><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Wikipedians">Media</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Wikipedians?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Wikipedians">Category</a></li> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_templates?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Wikipedia templates">Templates</a></li> </ul> </div></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div>   </section> </div> <noscript> <img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=mobile&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"> </noscript> <div 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href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D9%2588%25D9%258A%25D9%2583%25D9%258A%25D8%25A8%25D9%258A%25D8%25AF%25D9%258A%25D8%25A7:%25D9%2585%25D8%25B1%25D8%25A7%25D8%25AC%25D8%25B9%25D8%25A9_%25D9%2586%25D9%2582%25D8%25A7%25D8%25B4%25D8%25A7%25D8%25AA_%25D8%25A7%25D9%2584%25D8%25AD%25D8%25B0%25D9%2581" title="ويكيبيديا:مراجعة نقاشات الحذف – Arabic" lang="ar" hreflang="ar" data-title="ويكيبيديا:مراجعة نقاشات الحذف" data-language-autonym="العربية" data-language-local-name="Arabic" class="interlanguage-link-target">العربية</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bn mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E0%25A6%2589%25E0%25A6%2587%25E0%25A6%2595%25E0%25A6%25BF%25E0%25A6%25AA%25E0%25A6%25BF%25E0%25A6%25A1%25E0%25A6%25BF%25E0%25A6%25AF%25E0%25A6%25BC%25E0%25A6%25BE:%25E0%25A6%2585%25E0%25A6%25AA%25E0%25A6%25B8%25E0%25A6%25BE%25E0%25A6%25B0%25E0%25A6%25A3_%25E0%25A6%25AA%25E0%25A6%25B0%25E0%25A7%258D%25E0%25A6%25AF%25E0%25A6%25BE%25E0%25A6%25B2%25E0%25A7%258B%25E0%25A6%259A%25E0%25A6%25A8%25E0%25A6%25BE" title="উইকিপিডিয়া:অপসারণ পর্যালোচনা – Bangla" lang="bn" hreflang="bn" data-title="উইকিপিডিয়া:অপসারণ পর্যালোচনা" data-language-autonym="বাংলা" data-language-local-name="Bangla" class="interlanguage-link-target">বাংলা</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bh mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A5%2580%25E0%25A4%25A1%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AF%25E0%25A4%25BE:%25E0%25A4%25B9%25E0%25A4%259F%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25B2%25E0%25A5%2587_%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%25A5%2587_%25E0%25A4%25B8%25E0%25A4%25AE%25E0%25A5%2580%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25B7%25E0%25A4%25BE" title="विकिपीडिया:हटवले के समीक्षा – Bhojpuri" lang="bh" hreflang="bh" data-title="विकिपीडिया:हटवले के समीक्षा" data-language-autonym="भोजपुरी" data-language-local-name="Bhojpuri" class="interlanguage-link-target">भोजपुरी</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-br mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://br.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pajenno%25C3%25B9_da_ziziverka%25C3%25B1" title="Wikipedia:Pajennoù da ziziverkañ – Breton" lang="br" hreflang="br" data-title="Wikipedia:Pajennoù da ziziverkañ" data-language-autonym="Brezhoneg" data-language-local-name="Breton" class="interlanguage-link-target">Brezhoneg</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-da mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gendannelsesforslag" title="Wikipedia:Gendannelsesforslag – Danish" lang="da" hreflang="da" data-title="Wikipedia:Gendannelsesforslag" data-language-autonym="Dansk" data-language-local-name="Danish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Dansk</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-de mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:L%25C3%25B6schpr%25C3%25BCfung" title="Wikipedia:Löschprüfung – German" lang="de" hreflang="de" data-title="Wikipedia:Löschprüfung" data-language-autonym="Deutsch" data-language-local-name="German" class="interlanguage-link-target">Deutsch</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-es mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tabl%25C3%25B3n_de_anuncios_de_los_bibliotecarios/Portal/Archivo/Solicitudes_de_nueva_consulta/Actual" title="Wikipedia:Tablón de anuncios de los bibliotecarios/Portal/Archivo/Solicitudes de nueva consulta/Actual – Spanish" lang="es" hreflang="es" data-title="Wikipedia:Tablón de anuncios de los bibliotecarios/Portal/Archivo/Solicitudes de nueva consulta/Actual" data-language-autonym="Español" data-language-local-name="Spanish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Español</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-eo mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedio:Malforigo" title="Vikipedio:Malforigo – Esperanto" lang="eo" hreflang="eo" data-title="Vikipedio:Malforigo" data-language-autonym="Esperanto" data-language-local-name="Esperanto" class="interlanguage-link-target">Esperanto</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fa mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D9%2588%25DB%258C%25DA%25A9%25DB%258C%25E2%2580%258C%25D9%25BE%25D8%25AF%25DB%258C%25D8%25A7:%25D8%25A8%25D8%25B1%25D8%25B1%25D8%25B3%25DB%258C_%25D8%25AD%25D8%25B0%25D9%2581" title="ویکی‌پدیا:بررسی حذف – Persian" lang="fa" hreflang="fa" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:بررسی حذف" data-language-autonym="فارسی" data-language-local-name="Persian" class="interlanguage-link-target">فارسی</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ko mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25EC%259C%2584%25ED%2582%25A4%25EB%25B0%25B1%25EA%25B3%25BC:%25EB%25B3%25B5%25EA%25B5%25AC_%25ED%2586%25A0%25EB%25A1%25A0" title="위키백과:복구 토론 – Korean" lang="ko" hreflang="ko" data-title="위키백과:복구 토론" data-language-autonym="한국어" data-language-local-name="Korean" class="interlanguage-link-target">한국어</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hi mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A5%2580%25E0%25A4%25A1%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AF%25E0%25A4%25BE:%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25B2%25E0%25A5%258B%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A4%25A8_%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A5%2581%25E0%25A4%25A8%25E0%25A4%25B0%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%259A%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%25B0" title="विकिपीडिया:विलोपन पुनर्विचार – Hindi" lang="hi" hreflang="hi" data-title="विकिपीडिया:विलोपन पुनर्विचार" data-language-autonym="हिन्दी" data-language-local-name="Hindi" class="interlanguage-link-target">हिन्दी</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-id mw-list-item"><a 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