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Se pueden escribir mensajes en cualquier idioma (incluyendo el francés), pero sólo algunos usuarios francohablantes dominan lenguas extranjeras que no sean el inglés. (Los usuarios castellanoparlantes dispuestos a ayudar a los no francohablantes se encuentran listados más abajo en la sección "embajada Wikipédia".) </p><p>De momento, la Wikipedia francesa tiene <b>2 649 963</b> artículos. </p><p><u><b>Rápidamente :</b></u><br/> </p> <ul><li>Puedes preguntar cualquier cosa acerca de las versiones francesas de los proyectos Wikimedia ;</li> <li>Puedes preguntar cualquier cosa sobre el francés o la cultura francesa (o de todo país francohablante) ;</li> <li>Puedes preguntar cualquier cosa sobre el programa MediaWiki ;</li> <li>Eres bienvenido para darnos tu opinión sobre la Wikipedia francesa ;</li> <li>Puedes hacer tus preguntas en cualquier idioma, pero las formuladas en inglés obtendrán respuesta más rápidamente ;</li> <li>Los pedidos de bots se pueden hacer (preferentemente en francés o en inglés) en <a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bot/Statut" title="Wikipédia:Bot/Statut">Wikipédia:Bot/Statut</a>.</li></ul> <p><u><b>Adónde ir :</b></u><br/> </p> <ul><li>El café : <a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro" title="Wikipédia:Le Bistro">Wikipédia:Le Bistro</a> - <a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/29_novembre_2024" title="Wikipédia:Le Bistro/29 novembre 2024">Página del día</a></li> <li>Portal de la comunidad : <a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_de_la_communaut%C3%A9" title="Wikipédia:Accueil de la communauté">Wikipédia:Accueil</a></li> <li>Sistema Babel : <a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Babel" title="Wikipédia:Babel">Wikipédia:Babel</a></li></ul> <p><u><b>Embajada Wikipedia : <a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Ambassade" title="Wikipédia:Ambassade">Wikipédia:Ambassade</a></b></u><br/> </p> <center><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones&action=edit&section=new"><span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-progressive"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/OOjs_UI_icon_speechBubbleAdd-ltr-invert.svg/20px-OOjs_UI_icon_speechBubbleAdd-ltr-invert.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/OOjs_UI_icon_speechBubbleAdd-ltr-invert.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_speechBubbleAdd-ltr-invert.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/OOjs_UI_icon_speechBubbleAdd-ltr-invert.svg/40px-OOjs_UI_icon_speechBubbleAdd-ltr-invert.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20"/></span></span> Ajouter un sujet</span></a></span></center> <div class="clear" style="clear:both;"></div> </div> </div> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_do_I_naturally_explain_that_somone_was_the_first_chiropractor_in_Canada,_but_was_also_a_woman?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_do_I_naturally_explain_that_somone_was_the_first_chiropractor_in_Canada,_but-20240503024200"><span id="How_do_I_naturally_explain_that_somone_was_the_first_chiropractor_in_Canada.2C_but_was_also_a_woman.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_do_I_naturally_explain_that_somone_was_the_first_chiropractor_in_Canada,_but-20240503024200"></span>How do I naturally explain that somone was the first chiropractor in Canada, but was also a woman?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_do_I_naturally_explain_that_somone_was_the_first_chiropractor_in_Canada,_but-20240503024200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Modifier le code source de la section : How do I naturally explain that somone was the first chiropractor in Canada, but was also a woman?"><span>modifier le code</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Immanuelle-20240503024200-How_do_I_naturally_explain_that_somone_was_the_first_chiropractor_in_Canada,_but"></span>It is pretty easy to explain in english because the words are not gendered, but in French with this article <a href="/wiki/Joshua_Norman_Haldeman" title="Joshua Norman Haldeman">Joshua Norman Haldeman</a> I want to explain that his mother was the first chiropractor in Canada, and there were no male chiropractors who came before her. Is there an easy way to say this in a single sentence? <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Immanuelle" title="Utilisateur:Immanuelle">Immanuelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Immanuelle" title="Discussion utilisateur:Immanuelle">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Immanuelle-20240503024200-How_do_I_naturally_explain_that_somone_was_the_first_chiropractor_in_Canada,_but" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">3 mai 2024 à 04:42 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Immanuelle-20240503024200-How_do_I_naturally_explain_that_somone_was_the_first_chiropractor_in_Canada,_but"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Immanuelle-20240503024200-How_do_I_naturally_explain_that_somone_was_the_first_chiropractor_in_Canada,_but"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vega-20240503113100-Immanuelle-20240503024200"></span>It's a bit tricky indeed. One could assume that if there were male chiropractors before her, but no females, the sentence would highlight this by saying "la première <i>femme</i> chiropraticienne", but this reasoning still leaves some doubt.</dd> <dd>By the way, I'd write "au Canada" instead of "canadienne", because she could be a Canadian practicing abroad. Regards — <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Vega" title="Utilisateur:Vega">Vega</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Vega" title="Discussion utilisateur:Vega">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Vega-20240503113100-Immanuelle-20240503024200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">3 mai 2024 à 13:31 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vega-20240503113100-Immanuelle-20240503024200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vega-20240503113100-Immanuelle-20240503024200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mwarf-20240503132200-Vega-20240503113100"></span>"La première personne à exercer la chiropraxie au Canada" ? — <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Mwarf" title="Utilisateur:Mwarf">Mwarf</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Mwarf" title="Discussion utilisateur:Mwarf">d</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Mwarf-20240503132200-Vega-20240503113100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">3 mai 2024 à 15:22 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mwarf-20240503132200-Vega-20240503113100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mwarf-20240503132200-Vega-20240503113100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trizek-20240503151500-Mwarf-20240503132200"></span>If the idea is to focus on Haldeman's mom's activity, I would go with « Sa mère est la première personne à exercer la chiropraxie au Canada » ("His mother was the first person to practice chiropractie in Canada").</dd> <dd>Also, French Wikipedia writes articles in present tense, not past tense. :)</dd> <dd><strong><a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Trizek" title="Utilisateur:Trizek">Trizek</a> <sup style="font-size:0.7em;border-bottom:1px solid #FFC919;"><a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Trizek" title="Discussion utilisateur:Trizek">bla</a></sup></strong> <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Trizek-20240503151500-Mwarf-20240503132200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">3 mai 2024 à 17:15 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trizek-20240503151500-Mwarf-20240503132200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trizek-20240503151500-Mwarf-20240503132200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vega-20240503214700-Trizek-20240503151500"></span>Yes, <span class="citation">« première personne »</span> is a better phrasing, thanks. — <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Vega" title="Utilisateur:Vega">Vega</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Vega" title="Discussion utilisateur:Vega">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Vega-20240503214700-Trizek-20240503151500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">3 mai 2024 à 23:47 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vega-20240503214700-Trizek-20240503151500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vega-20240503214700-Trizek-20240503151500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="need_help_with_posting" data-mw-thread-id="h-need_help_with_posting-20240702130000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-need_help_with_posting-20240702130000"></span>need help with posting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-need_help_with_posting-20240702130000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Modifier le code source de la section : need help with posting"><span>modifier le code</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sm8900-20240702130000-need_help_with_posting"></span>couold you please tell me how to post a notice in the bistro for french? thanks. <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Sm8900" title="Utilisateur:Sm8900">Sm8900</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Sm8900" title="Discussion utilisateur:Sm8900">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Sm8900-20240702130000-need_help_with_posting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2 juillet 2024 à 15:00 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sm8900-20240702130000-need_help_with_posting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sm8900-20240702130000-need_help_with_posting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lewisiscrazy-20240702132600-Sm8900-20240702130000"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Notification"><img alt="Notification" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Gnome-edit-redo.svg/20px-Gnome-edit-redo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Gnome-edit-redo.svg/30px-Gnome-edit-redo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Gnome-edit-redo.svg/40px-Gnome-edit-redo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span> <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Sm8900" title="Utilisateur:Sm8900">Sm8900</a></span> : are you looking for this <a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro_du_jour" title="Wikipédia:Le Bistro du jour">Wikipédia:Le_Bistro_du_jour</a> ? --<a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Lewisiscrazy" title="Utilisateur:Lewisiscrazy">Lewisiscrazy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Lewisiscrazy" title="Discussion utilisateur:Lewisiscrazy">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Lewisiscrazy-20240702132600-Sm8900-20240702130000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2 juillet 2024 à 15:26 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lewisiscrazy-20240702132600-Sm8900-20240702130000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lewisiscrazy-20240702132600-Sm8900-20240702130000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sm8900-20240702132900-Lewisiscrazy-20240702132600"></span>hi. yes i think so. what button would i press to open a new topic? thanks! <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Sm8900" title="Utilisateur:Sm8900">Sm8900</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Sm8900" title="Discussion utilisateur:Sm8900">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Sm8900-20240702132900-Lewisiscrazy-20240702132600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2 juillet 2024 à 15:29 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sm8900-20240702132900-Lewisiscrazy-20240702132600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sm8900-20240702132900-Lewisiscrazy-20240702132600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lewisiscrazy-20240702133100-Sm8900-20240702132900"></span>"ajouter un message": <a class="external free" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/2_juillet_2024&action=edit&section=new">https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/2_juillet_2024&action=edit&section=new</a> --<a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Lewisiscrazy" title="Utilisateur:Lewisiscrazy">Lewisiscrazy</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Lewisiscrazy" title="Discussion utilisateur:Lewisiscrazy">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Lewisiscrazy-20240702133100-Sm8900-20240702132900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2 juillet 2024 à 15:31 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lewisiscrazy-20240702133100-Sm8900-20240702132900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lewisiscrazy-20240702133100-Sm8900-20240702132900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Modèle:Ministeri" data-mw-thread-id="h-Modèle:Ministeri-20240723193100"><span id="Mod.C3.A8le:Ministeri"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Modèle:Ministeri-20240723193100"></span><a href="/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Ministeri" title="Modèle:Ministeri">Modèle:Ministeri</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Modèle:Ministeri-20240723193100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Modifier le code source de la section : Modèle:Ministeri"><span>modifier le code</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samoasambia-20240723193100-Modèle:Ministeri"></span>Hey, the Wikidata property <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/P:P2182" class="extiw" title="d:P:P2182">P2182</a> which is used by <a href="/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Ministeri" title="Modèle:Ministeri">Modèle:Ministeri</a> on French Wikipedia has been archived on Wikidata and it has been replaced by <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/P:P12910" class="extiw" title="d:P:P12910">P12910</a>. The IDs have changed from numbers to strings, and it looks like many articles here have those old numbers entered as template parameters. I would like to suggest that you change the template to fetch the IDs from <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/P:P12910" class="extiw" title="d:P:P12910">P12910</a> and to skip the old number if an article has it. –<a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Samoasambia" title="Utilisateur:Samoasambia">Samoasambia</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussion_utilisateur:Samoasambia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussion utilisateur:Samoasambia (page inexistante)">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Samoasambia-20240723193100-Modèle:Ministeri" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23 juillet 2024 à 21:31 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samoasambia-20240723193100-Modèle:Ministeri"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samoasambia-20240723193100-Modèle:Ministeri"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Translation_of_paid_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Translation_of_paid_article-20241001181000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Translation_of_paid_article-20241001181000"></span>Translation of paid article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Translation_of_paid_article-20241001181000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Modifier le code source de la section : Translation of paid article"><span>modifier le code</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241001181000-Translation_of_paid_article"></span>I wrote an article for pay on the English Wikipedia. It was submitted in "Draft" form via their "Articles for Creation" process, with COI declared, and published by an independent editor. </p><p>My client has offered to supply a professional translation of my work and asked me to publish it here. May I do so, and is there a procedure which I need to follow? <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">Pigsonthewing</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Discussion utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Pigsonthewing-20241001181000-Translation_of_paid_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">1 octobre 2024 à 20:10 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241001181000-Translation_of_paid_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241001181000-Translation_of_paid_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Skimel-20241001231600-Pigsonthewing-20241001181000"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">Pigsonthewing</a> and thanks for reaching out. First of all, you need to state in your userpage who your client is and that you have been paid to write an article for them. Can you also provide a link to the article on the English Wiki? It is a good practice that your client used professional translator. However, the article must meet the treshold of notability (and criteria are usually more restrictive here on the French wiki than on EN). Then, the style also needs to be encyclopedic and not hagiographic or promotional (especially when dealing with a living person, a company or any entity). So I think it would be good practice to publish this translation in your draft page (<a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing/Brouillon" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing/Brouillon">Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing/Brouillon</a>). <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Skimel" title="Utilisateur:Skimel">Skimel</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Skimel" title="Discussion utilisateur:Skimel">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Skimel-20241001231600-Pigsonthewing-20241001181000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2 octobre 2024 à 01:16 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Skimel-20241001231600-Pigsonthewing-20241001181000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Skimel-20241001231600-Pigsonthewing-20241001181000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241001234200-Skimel-20241001231600"></span>Thank you. If I publish it as a draft, what do I do next? <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">Pigsonthewing</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Discussion utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Pigsonthewing-20241001234200-Skimel-20241001231600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2 octobre 2024 à 01:42 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241001234200-Skimel-20241001231600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241001234200-Skimel-20241001231600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trizek-20241004125000-Pigsonthewing-20241001234200"></span>+100 to what Skimel said.</dd> <dd>Pigsonthewing, the difference with en.wp is that no one will publish your draft on your behalf. Some users might give you advice (<a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Forum_de_relecture" title="Wikipédia:Forum de relecture">here</a>) about your work¹, but none of that advice will be a formal approval of the work or a publication. You are free to publish the article anytime.</dd> <dd>If the quality of the translation (or the tone) is not up to what NPOV asks for, reviewers will tell you. But again it will be up to fix it, and then up to you again you to decide on when to publish the article in the main space. Post-publication, the article will have its own life.</dd> <dd>Side note: I question myself on the copyright around the translation work. How will it be credited?</dd> <dd>¹ <small>Please note that many reviewers will not accept to have a conversation in English about an article written in French. The goal of the review is to have a conversation on how to improve the article. Please consider this as you don't speak French. And before you ask: I don't review articles created by paid-editors.</small></dd> <dd><strong><a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Trizek" title="Utilisateur:Trizek">Trizek</a> <sup style="font-size:0.7em;border-bottom:1px solid #FFC919;"><a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Trizek" title="Discussion utilisateur:Trizek">bla</a></sup></strong> <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Trizek-20241004125000-Pigsonthewing-20241001234200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">4 octobre 2024 à 14:50 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trizek-20241004125000-Pigsonthewing-20241001234200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trizek-20241004125000-Pigsonthewing-20241001234200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400-Trizek-20241004125000"></span>Noted, thank you. <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">Pigsonthewing</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Discussion utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400-Trizek-20241004125000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10 octobre 2024 à 17:14 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400-Trizek-20241004125000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400-Trizek-20241004125000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400-Translation_of_paid_article"></span>The article is now at <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing/Brouillon" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing/Brouillon">Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing/Brouillon</a>. I would be grateful for advice as to whether any changes are needed, before it is published. Should the names of artists which have articles in English, but not French, be red-linked? <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">Pigsonthewing</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Discussion utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400-Translation_of_paid_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10 octobre 2024 à 17:14 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400-Translation_of_paid_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400-Translation_of_paid_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Framawiki-20241011115200-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">Pigsonthewing</a>, the first sentence of the message written by @<a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Skimel" title="Utilisateur:Skimel">Skimel</a> was to ask you to write your COI <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">on your user page</a>, like described on <a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Contributions_r%C3%A9mun%C3%A9r%C3%A9es" title="Wikipédia:Contributions rémunérées">Wikipédia:Contributions rémunérées</a>. I don't see such thing, did I miss it? Thanks, -<a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Framawiki" title="Utilisateur:Framawiki">Framawiki</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Framawiki" title="Discussion utilisateur:Framawiki">✉</a></sup> <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Framawiki-20241011115200-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 octobre 2024 à 13:52 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Framawiki-20241011115200-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Framawiki-20241011115200-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241011122800-Framawiki-20241011115200"></span>No; apologies, I forgot. I have done so now. <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">Pigsonthewing</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Pigsonthewing" title="Discussion utilisateur:Pigsonthewing">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Pigsonthewing-20241011122800-Framawiki-20241011115200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11 octobre 2024 à 14:28 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241011122800-Framawiki-20241011115200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241011122800-Framawiki-20241011115200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trizek-20241014185600-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400"></span>I added the standard template for a draft at the top of your sandbow. It gives you the option to ask for a proofreading (Demander une relecture) or to publish the article (Publier mon brouillon). My engagement stop there, good luck! <strong><a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Trizek" title="Utilisateur:Trizek">Trizek</a> <sup style="font-size:0.7em;border-bottom:1px solid #FFC919;"><a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Trizek" title="Discussion utilisateur:Trizek">bla</a></sup></strong> <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Trizek-20241014185600-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14 octobre 2024 à 20:56 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trizek-20241014185600-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trizek-20241014185600-Pigsonthewing-20241010151400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Special:Export_page_and_Wikidata_QID?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Special:Export_page_and_Wikidata_QID?-20241127160100"><span id="Special:Export_page_and_Wikidata_QID.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Special:Export_page_and_Wikidata_QID?-20241127160100"></span>Special:Export page and Wikidata QID?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Special:Export_page_and_Wikidata_QID?-20241127160100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Modifier le code source de la section : Special:Export page and Wikidata QID?"><span>modifier le code</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)-20241127160100-Special:Export_page_and_Wikidata_QID?"></span>Apologies for posting in English</i><br/> Hello everyone, the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects" class="extiw" title="metawiki:Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects">Wikidata for Wikimedia projects</a> team is investigating the benefit of adding a new <i><tag></i> for a <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Items/fr#Comprendre_les_éléments" class="extiw" title="d:Help:Items/fr">Wikidata item</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Glossary/fr#QID" class="extiw" title="d:Wikidata:Glossary/fr">QID</a> into the <a href="/wiki/XML" class="mw-redirect" title="XML">XML</a> file output from the <b><a href="/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Exporter" title="Spécial:Exporter">Special:Export</a></b> function. </p><p>Have you used this function before? If yes, we would like to hear from you. </p> <ul><li>Would adding a new <i><tag></i> for a linked Wikidata item (e.g. <i><wikidataid></i>) aid you?</li> <li>What types of pages did you export? (article, template, talk etc.)</li> <li>What did you do with the exported content?</li></ul> <p>Please leave your comments or questions in your preferred language as a reply to this message, thank you. -<a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)" title="Utilisateur:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)">Danny Benjafield (WMDE)</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)" title="Discussion utilisateur:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)-20241127160100-Special:Export_page_and_Wikidata_QID?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">27 novembre 2024 à 17:01 (CET)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)-20241127160100-Special:Export_page_and_Wikidata_QID?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)-20241127160100-Special:Export_page_and_Wikidata_QID?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trizek-20241127161500-Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)-20241127160100"></span>Hi Danny</dd> <dd>You should post it at <a href="/wiki/Discussion_Projet:Wikidata" title="Discussion Projet:Wikidata">Discussion Projet:Wikidata</a>, even in English.</dd> <dd><strong><a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Trizek" title="Utilisateur:Trizek">Trizek</a> <sup style="font-size:0.7em;border-bottom:1px solid #FFC919;"><a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Trizek" title="Discussion utilisateur:Trizek">bla</a></sup></strong> <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es#c-Trizek-20241127161500-Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)-20241127160100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">27 novembre 2024 à 17:15 (CET)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trizek-20241127161500-Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)-20241127160100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trizek-20241127161500-Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)-20241127160100"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Ce document provient de « <a dir="ltr" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipédia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es&oldid=159101902">https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipédia:Bistro_des_non-francophones/es&oldid=159101902</a> ».</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Accueil" title="Catégorie:Accueil">Catégories</a> : <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Le_Bistro" title="Catégorie:Le Bistro">Le Bistro</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Multilinguisme" title="Catégorie:Wikipédia:Multilinguisme">Wikipédia:Multilinguisme</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> La dernière modification de cette page a été faite le 8 mai 2019 à 14:20.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright"><span style="white-space: normal"><a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Citation_et_r%C3%A9utilisation_du_contenu_de_Wikip%C3%A9dia" title="Wikipédia:Citation et réutilisation du contenu de Wikipédia">Droit d'auteur</a> : les textes sont disponibles sous <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.fr">licence Creative Commons attribution, partage dans les mêmes conditions</a> ; d’autres conditions peuvent s’appliquer. 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