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Vous pouvez également envoyer un courriel à la file des <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Stewards" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Stewards">coordinateurs</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/VRT" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/VRT">VRT</a> à <kbd>stewards@wikimedia.org</kbd>, en incluant tous les détails ci-dessus.</div></div><hr /> <p>Vous pouvez voir et copier le contenu de cette page. </p><textarea readonly="" accesskey="," id="wpTextbox1" cols="80" rows="25" style="" class="mw-editfont-monospace" lang="fr" dir="ltr" name="wpTextbox1">== Translation of paid article == I wrote an article for pay on the English Wikipedia. It was submitted in "Draft" form via their "Articles for Creation" process, with COI declared, and published by an independent editor. My client has offered to supply a professional translation of my work and asked me to publish it here. May I do so, and is there a procedure which I need to follow? [[Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] ([[Discussion utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|discuter]]) 1 octobre 2024 à 20:10 (CEST) :Hello @[[Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] and thanks for reaching out. First of all, you need to state in your userpage who your client is and that you have been paid to write an article for them. Can you also provide a link to the article on the English Wiki? It is a good practice that your client used professional translator. However, the article must meet the treshold of notability (and criteria are usually more restrictive here on the French wiki than on EN). Then, the style also needs to be encyclopedic and not hagiographic or promotional (especially when dealing with a living person, a company or any entity). So I think it would be good practice to publish this translation in your draft page ([[Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing/Brouillon]]). [[Utilisateur:Skimel|Skimel]] ([[Discussion utilisateur:Skimel|discuter]]) 2 octobre 2024 à 01:16 (CEST) ::Thank you. If I publish it as a draft, what do I do next? [[Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] ([[Discussion utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|discuter]]) 2 octobre 2024 à 01:42 (CEST) :::+100 to what Skimel said. :::Pigsonthewing, the difference with en.wp is that no one will publish your draft on your behalf. Some users might give you advice ([[Wikipédia:Forum de relecture|here]]) about your work¹, but none of that advice will be a formal approval of the work or a publication. You are free to publish the article anytime. :::If the quality of the translation (or the tone) is not up to what NPOV asks for, reviewers will tell you. But again it will be up to fix it, and then up to you again you to decide on when to publish the article in the main space. Post-publication, the article will have its own life. :::Side note: I question myself on the copyright around the translation work. How will it be credited? :::¹ <small>Please note that many reviewers will not accept to have a conversation in English about an article written in French. The goal of the review is to have a conversation on how to improve the article. Please consider this as you don't speak French. And before you ask: I don't review articles created by paid-editors.</small> :::<strong>[[Utilisateur:Trizek|Trizek]] <sup style="font-size:0.7em;border-bottom:1px solid #FFC919;">[[Discussion Utilisateur:Trizek|bla]]</sup></strong> 4 octobre 2024 à 14:50 (CEST) ::::Noted, thank you. [[Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] ([[Discussion utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|discuter]]) 10 octobre 2024 à 17:14 (CEST) The article is now at [[Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing/Brouillon]]. I would be grateful for advice as to whether any changes are needed, before it is published. Should the names of artists which have articles in English, but not French, be red-linked? [[Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] ([[Discussion utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|discuter]]) 10 octobre 2024 à 17:14 (CEST) :Hi @[[Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]], the first sentence of the message written by @[[Utilisateur:Skimel|Skimel]] was to ask you to write your COI [[Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|on your user page]], like described on [[Wikipédia:Contributions rémunérées]]. I don't see such thing, did I miss it? Thanks, -[[Utilisateur:Framawiki|Framawiki]] <sup>[[Discussion Utilisateur:Framawiki|✉]]</sup> 11 octobre 2024 à 13:52 (CEST) ::No; apologies, I forgot. I have done so now. [[Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] ([[Discussion utilisateur:Pigsonthewing|discuter]]) 11 octobre 2024 à 14:28 (CEST) :I added the standard template for a draft at the top of your sandbow. It gives you the option to ask for a proofreading (Demander une relecture) or to publish the article (Publier mon brouillon). My engagement stop there, good luck! <strong>[[Utilisateur:Trizek|Trizek]] <sup style="font-size:0.7em;border-bottom:1px solid #FFC919;">[[Discussion Utilisateur:Trizek|bla]]</sup></strong> 14 octobre 2024 à 20:56 (CEST) </textarea><div class="templatesUsed"></div><p id="mw-returnto">Revenir à la page <a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones" title="Wikipédia:Bistro des non-francophones">Wikipédia:Bistro des non-francophones</a>.</p> <noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Ce document provient de « <a dir="ltr" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Bistro_des_non-francophones">https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Bistro_des_non-francophones</a> ».</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> </ul> <ul id="footer-places"> <li id="footer-places-privacy"><a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Privacy_policy/fr">Politique de confidentialité</a></li> <li id="footer-places-about"><a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:%C3%80_propos_de_Wikip%C3%A9dia">À propos de Wikipédia</a></li> <li id="footer-places-disclaimers"><a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Avertissements_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9raux">Avertissements</a></li> <li id="footer-places-contact"><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Contact">Contact</a></li> <li id="footer-places-wm-codeofconduct"><a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Universal_Code_of_Conduct">Code de conduite</a></li> <li id="footer-places-developers"><a href="https://developer.wikimedia.org">Développeurs</a></li> <li id="footer-places-statslink"><a href="https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/fr.wikipedia.org">Statistiques</a></li> <li id="footer-places-cookiestatement"><a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Cookie_statement">Déclaration sur les témoins (cookies)</a></li> <li id="footer-places-mobileview"><a href="//fr.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bistro_des_non-francophones&action=edit&section=T-4&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile" class="noprint stopMobileRedirectToggle">Version mobile</a></li> </ul> <ul id="footer-icons" class="noprint"> <li id="footer-copyrightico"><a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/" class="cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button--enabled"><img src="/static/images/footer/wikimedia-button.svg" width="84" height="29" alt="Wikimedia Foundation" loading="lazy"></a></li> <li id="footer-poweredbyico"><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/" class="cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button--enabled"><img src="/w/resources/assets/poweredby_mediawiki.svg" alt="Powered by MediaWiki" width="88" height="31" loading="lazy"></a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vector-settings" id="p-dock-bottom"> <ul></ul> </div><script>(RLQ=window.RLQ||[]).push(function(){mw.config.set({"wgHostname":"mw-web.codfw.main-78f4c97c5d-sv99c","wgBackendResponseTime":185,"wgPageParseReport":{"limitreport":{"cputime":"0.005","walltime":"0.006","ppvisitednodes":{"value":17,"limit":1000000},"postexpandincludesize":{"value":848,"limit":2097152},"templateargumentsize":{"value":0,"limit":2097152},"expansiondepth":{"value":2,"limit":100},"expensivefunctioncount":{"value":0,"limit":500},"unstrip-depth":{"value":0,"limit":20},"unstrip-size":{"value":0,"limit":5000000},"entityaccesscount":{"value":0,"limit":400},"timingprofile":["100.00% 0.000 1 -total"]},"cachereport":{"origin":"mw-web.codfw.main-78f4c97c5d-sv99c","timestamp":"20241129035337","ttl":2592000,"transientcontent":false}}});});</script> </body> </html>