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searchaux" style="display:none">Wikipedia essay deriding referring to ships as <i>she</i></div> <div class="shortdescription nomobile noexcerpt noprint searchaux" style="display:none">Essay on editing Wikipedia</div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238436933">.mw-parser-output .ombox{margin:4px 0;border-collapse:collapse;border:1px solid #a2a9b1;background-color:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa);box-sizing:border-box;color:var(--color-base,#202122)}.mw-parser-output .ombox.mbox-small{font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em}.mw-parser-output .ombox-speedy{border:2px solid #b32424;background-color:#fee7e6}.mw-parser-output .ombox-delete{border:2px solid #b32424}.mw-parser-output .ombox-content{border:1px solid #f28500}.mw-parser-output .ombox-style{border:1px solid #fc3}.mw-parser-output .ombox-move{border:1px solid #9932cc}.mw-parser-output .ombox-protection{border:2px solid #a2a9b1}.mw-parser-output .ombox .mbox-text{border:none;padding:0.25em 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Essay.svg/30px-Essay.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="36" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Essay.svg/45px-Essay.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Essay.svg/60px-Essay.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="42"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><div style="padding-top: 6px; padding-bottom: 5px;"><b>This is an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Essays" title="Wikipedia:Essays">essay</a> on the pretension and stupidity of referring to ships as <i>she</i>.</b><br/><div style="font-size: 90%;">It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines">Wikipedia's policies or guidelines</a>, as it has not been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus#Levels_of_consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">thoroughly vetted by the community</a>. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints.</div></div></td><td class="mbox-imageright"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1252059228">.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain{float:right;margin:0 0 0 1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-base,#fff);padding:0.3em 0.6em 0.2em 0.6em;text-align:center;font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxleft{float:left;margin:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutlist{display:inline-block;border-bottom:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);margin-bottom:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain ul{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutanchordiv{position:relative;top:-3em}.mw-parser-output li .module-shortcutanchordiv{float:right}.mw-parser-output .mbox-imageright .module-shortcutboxplain{padding:0.4em 1em 0.4em 1em;line-height:1.3;margin:0}</style><div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"><span id="WP:YOURMAJESTYYOURSLIPISSHOWING"></span><span id="WP:QESMITW"></span><span id="WP:ELIZABETH"></span></div><div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"><div class="module-shortcutlist"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcuts</a></div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:YOURMAJESTYYOURSLIPISSHOWING&redirect=no">WP:YOURMAJESTYYOURSLIPISSHOWING</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:QESMITW&redirect=no">WP:QESMITW</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:ELIZABETH&redirect=no">WP:ELIZABETH</a></span></li></ul></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238436933"><table class="plainlinks ombox ombox-notice nutshell" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Walnut.png/30px-Walnut.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Walnut.png/45px-Walnut.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Walnut.png/60px-Walnut.png 2x" data-file-width="192" data-file-height="192"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><b>This page in a nutshell:</b> Referring to ships as <i>she</i> has at least the redeeming quality of being a potential source of amusement.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>This page is for accumulating amusing passages – real or hypothetical – made possible by referring to ships as <i>she</i>, and for general derision of that pretentious and stupid practice.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> (Ridicule of other forms of stylistic pretension is welcome as well.) It was inspired by <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=932779579#%22She%22_vs._%22it%22_for_ships">this discussion at WT:MOS</a> (and see also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_(ships_as_%22she%22)" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive (ships as "she")">WT:Manual of Style/Archive (ships as "she")</a> for more background). </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Queen_Elizabeth_slipped_majestically_into_the_water" data-mw-thread-id="h-Queen_Elizabeth_slipped_majestically_into_the_water"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Queen_Elizabeth_slipped_majestically_into_the_water"></span>Queen Elizabeth slipped majestically into the water<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Queen_Elizabeth_slipped_majestically_into_the_water"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Queen_Elizabeth_slipped_majestically_into_the_water&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Queen Elizabeth slipped majestically into the water"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Crinoline_for_Ever_-_No_Bathing_Machine_Required._Punch,_24_July_1858.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Crinoline_for_Ever_-_No_Bathing_Machine_Required._Punch%2C_24_July_1858.png/260px-Crinoline_for_Ever_-_No_Bathing_Machine_Required._Punch%2C_24_July_1858.png" decoding="async" width="260" height="236" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Crinoline_for_Ever_-_No_Bathing_Machine_Required._Punch%2C_24_July_1858.png/390px-Crinoline_for_Ever_-_No_Bathing_Machine_Required._Punch%2C_24_July_1858.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Crinoline_for_Ever_-_No_Bathing_Machine_Required._Punch%2C_24_July_1858.png/520px-Crinoline_for_Ever_-_No_Bathing_Machine_Required._Punch%2C_24_July_1858.png 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="582"/></a><figcaption>After Queen Elizabeth broke a bottle of champagne against the ship's gigantic bow, she slipped majestically into the water.</figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:EN_BESKYTTERINDE_AF_INDUSTRIEN.gif" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/EN_BESKYTTERINDE_AF_INDUSTRIEN.gif/150px-EN_BESKYTTERINDE_AF_INDUSTRIEN.gif" decoding="async" width="150" height="237" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/EN_BESKYTTERINDE_AF_INDUSTRIEN.gif/225px-EN_BESKYTTERINDE_AF_INDUSTRIEN.gif 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/EN_BESKYTTERINDE_AF_INDUSTRIEN.gif/300px-EN_BESKYTTERINDE_AF_INDUSTRIEN.gif 2x" data-file-width="1319" data-file-height="2080"/></a><figcaption>She also served as the escort for Kaiser Wilhelm II aboard his yacht Hohenzollern.</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>(hypothetical) <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">After Queen Elizabeth broke a bottle of champagne against the ship's gigantic bow, she slipped majestically into the water.</q> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=932787180#Please_critique">[3]</a></li> <li>(from the Featured Article <a href="/wiki/SMS_Emden" title="SMS Emden">SMS Emden</a>) <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">During this period, she also served as the escort for Kaiser Wilhelm II aboard his yacht Hohenzollern.</q> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=932746353">[4]</a></li></ul> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:CENSORED.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/CENSORED.svg/150px-CENSORED.svg.png" decoding="async" width="150" height="92" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/CENSORED.svg/225px-CENSORED.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/CENSORED.svg/300px-CENSORED.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="628" data-file-height="384"/></a><figcaption>Fearing that he might lose the prize if the winds changed, Morris rammed her.</figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Censored2.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Censored2.jpg/150px-Censored2.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="106" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Censored2.jpg/225px-Censored2.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Censored2.jpg/300px-Censored2.jpg 2x" data-file-width="450" data-file-height="319"/></a><figcaption>Archibald Dickson raised his flag in her.</figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Angry_woman.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Angry_woman.jpg/150px-Angry_woman.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="113" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Angry_woman.jpg/225px-Angry_woman.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Angry_woman.jpg/300px-Angry_woman.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2048" data-file-height="1536"/></a><figcaption><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=890100268">She blew up the following morning.</a> </figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Annex_-_Howerton,_Clarence_%27Major_Mite%27_02.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Annex_-_Howerton%2C_Clarence_%27Major_Mite%27_02.jpg/150px-Annex_-_Howerton%2C_Clarence_%27Major_Mite%27_02.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="218" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Annex_-_Howerton%2C_Clarence_%27Major_Mite%27_02.jpg/225px-Annex_-_Howerton%2C_Clarence_%27Major_Mite%27_02.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Annex_-_Howerton%2C_Clarence_%27Major_Mite%27_02.jpg/300px-Annex_-_Howerton%2C_Clarence_%27Major_Mite%27_02.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1028" data-file-height="1496"/></a><figcaption> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=845506867">She measured 75 20⁄94 tonnes burthen and was armed with 8 small guns.</a> </figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Gertrude_Ederle.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Gertrude_Ederle.jpg/150px-Gertrude_Ederle.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="112" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Gertrude_Ederle.jpg/225px-Gertrude_Ederle.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Gertrude_Ederle.jpg/300px-Gertrude_Ederle.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3618" data-file-height="2704"/></a><figcaption><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=845506854">She spent her entire career in the Channel.</a> </figcaption></figure> <ul><li>(from the article <a href="/wiki/HMS_Elk_(1804)" title="HMS Elk (1804)">HMS Elk (1804)</a>) <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Fearing that he might lose the prize if the winds changed, Morris rammed her.</q> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=918748479">[5]</a></li> <li>(from the article <a href="/wiki/HMS_Monmouth_(1796)" title="HMS Monmouth (1796)">HMS Monmouth (1796)</a>) <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Archibald Dickson raised his flag in her.</q> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=931742714">[6]</a></li> <li>(from the article <a href="/wiki/HMS_Indefatigable_(1784)" title="HMS Indefatigable (1784)">HMS Indefatigable (1784)</a>) <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">She had a long career under several distinguished commanders.</q> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=932145664">[7]</a></li> <li>(from <i><a href="/wiki/The_Post-Crescent" title="The Post-Crescent">The Appleton Weekly Post</a></i>, 1907) <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Lusitania does not appear to be so lusty as the Mauretania<span class="nowrap"> </span>... If Lussie doesn't hump herself and do it first she won't be in it with her big sister.</q><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></li></ul> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Khajuraho-erotischerFriess.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Khajuraho-erotischerFriess.jpg/420px-Khajuraho-erotischerFriess.jpg" decoding="async" width="420" height="279" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Khajuraho-erotischerFriess.jpg/630px-Khajuraho-erotischerFriess.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Khajuraho-erotischerFriess.jpg/840px-Khajuraho-erotischerFriess.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1000" data-file-height="665"/></a><figcaption>She had a long career under several distinguished commanders.</figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Woman_running_barefoot_on_beach.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Woman_running_barefoot_on_beach.jpg/150px-Woman_running_barefoot_on_beach.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Woman_running_barefoot_on_beach.jpg/225px-Woman_running_barefoot_on_beach.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Woman_running_barefoot_on_beach.jpg/300px-Woman_running_barefoot_on_beach.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1728" data-file-height="2304"/></a><figcaption><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=926065341">She ran onshore off of the east end of Puerto Rico.</a> </figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Bordell_-_meister_mit_den_bandrollen.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Bordell_-_meister_mit_den_bandrollen.jpg/310px-Bordell_-_meister_mit_den_bandrollen.jpg" decoding="async" width="310" height="207" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Bordell_-_meister_mit_den_bandrollen.jpg/465px-Bordell_-_meister_mit_den_bandrollen.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Bordell_-_meister_mit_den_bandrollen.jpg/620px-Bordell_-_meister_mit_den_bandrollen.jpg 2x" data-file-width="780" data-file-height="520"/></a><figcaption><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newspapers.com/clip/41528969/rms-lusitania-1907/">Lusitania does not appear to be so lusty as the Mauretania. If Lussie doesn't hump herself and do it first she won't be in it with her big sister.</a> </figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Thomas_Rowlandson_(31).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Thomas_Rowlandson_%2831%29.jpg/290px-Thomas_Rowlandson_%2831%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="290" height="219" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Thomas_Rowlandson_%2831%29.jpg/435px-Thomas_Rowlandson_%2831%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Thomas_Rowlandson_%2831%29.jpg/580px-Thomas_Rowlandson_%2831%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="678" data-file-height="511"/></a><figcaption><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=926065341">Acasta's boats got her off.</a><small> (This image is euphemistically listed under <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:People_at_the_beach_in_art" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:People at the beach in art">Category:People at the beach in art</a>.)</small> </figcaption></figure> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Into_the_woulds" data-mw-thread-id="h-Into_the_woulds"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Into_the_woulds"></span>Into the <i>woulds</i><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Into_the_woulds"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Queen_Elizabeth_slipped_majestically_into_the_water&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Into the woulds"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1236090951">.mw-parser-output .hatnote{font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output div.hatnote{padding-left:1.6em;margin-bottom:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .hatnote i{font-style:normal}.mw-parser-output .hatnote+link+.hatnote{margin-top:-0.5em}@media print{body.ns-0 .mw-parser-output .hatnote{display:none!important}}</style><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">Editors are invited to contribute examples of the also-stupid-and-pretentious practice of narrating pedestrian events using "would" – see <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style&oldid=959651161#Redundancy_Words">[8]</a>.</div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1252059228"><div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"><span id="WP:INTOTHEWOULDS"></span><span id="WP:WOULDCHUCK"></span></div><div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"><div class="module-shortcutlist"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcuts</a></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:INTOTHEWOULDS&redirect=no">WP:INTOTHEWOULDS</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WOULDCHUCK&redirect=no">WP:WOULDCHUCK</a></span></li></ul></div></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Woody_and_Winnie_Universal_Florida.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Woody_and_Winnie_Universal_Florida.jpg/200px-Woody_and_Winnie_Universal_Florida.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Woody_and_Winnie_Universal_Florida.jpg/300px-Woody_and_Winnie_Universal_Florida.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Woody_and_Winnie_Universal_Florida.jpg/400px-Woody_and_Winnie_Universal_Florida.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1305" data-file-height="1305"/></a><figcaption><a href="/wiki/Woody_Woodpecker" title="Woody Woodpecker">Wouldy Wouldpecker</a> </figcaption></figure> <p>N.B. There <i>is</i> an appropriate use of the "he would later" form, and that's when taking a temporary jump into the future during an otherwise chronologically linear narrative -- but to be clear, not all such cases justify the "he would later" form. Here's an example (abridged a bit here) from <a href="/wiki/Statue_of_John_Harvard" title="Statue of John Harvard">Statue of John Harvard</a>: </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The commission weighed heavily on French even as the figure neared completion. "I am sometimes scared by the importance of this work. It is a subject that one might not have in a lifetime," wrote the sculptor‍—‌who thirty years later would create the statue of Abraham Lincoln for the Lincoln Memorial‍—‌"and a failure would be inexcusable."<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>French's final model was ready the following May and realized in bronze by the Henry-Bonnard Bronze Company over the next several months.</q> </blockquote> <p>Now, technically "who thirty years later would create" could be rendered as "who thirty years later created", and it's hard to explain why exactly the former form is preferable to the latter, in this particular case. (There might be other appropriate uses as well, but your correspondent just vacuumed the house so he's too pooped to think of any.)<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p><p>The following examples all lack the key component, found in the above passage, that's required to justify the "he would later" form: a <i>temporary</i> jump into the future. So the <i>woulds</i> get axed:<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>4<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> <ul><li>"Mel Blanc was the original voice of Bugs and <del>would voice</del> <ins>voiced</ins> the character for nearly five decades." <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=prev&oldid=937031242&diffmode=source">[9]</a></li> <li>"Although he did not receive a classical schooling in the Harvard Graduate School, Morgan <del>would</del> <ins>was</ins> immediately after his graduation <del>be</del> appointed to the teaching staff. ... Morgan fell seriously ill on March 15, 1910 while on a trip to New York to visit Daniel B. Fearing, the mayor of Newport, <a href="/wiki/Rhode_Island" title="Rhode Island">Rhode Island</a>, and <del>would die</del> <ins>died</ins> soon after." <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=prev&oldid=935873003&diffmode=source">[10]</a></li> <li>"Gowdy <del>would later be awarded</del> <ins>received</ins> the Postal Inspector's Award for the successful prosecution of J. Mark Allen, one of 'America's Most Wanted' suspects." <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=prev&oldid=933490158&diffmode=source">[11]</a></li> <li>"In 1973 he relocated to Waynesville, North Carolina, where he <del>would die</del> <ins>later died</ins> of cancer." <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=prev&oldid=932360663&diffmode=source">[12]</a></li> <li>"But Harrison <del>would</del> also later <del>tell</del> <ins>told</ins> him, 'You've got a lovely karma, Vic.' ... Spinetti <del>would make</del> <ins>made</ins> a small appearance in the promotional video for McCartney's song 'London Town' from the 1978 album of the same name. Spinetti's July 2010 performance of the song '<a href="/wiki/Ob-La-Di,_Ob-La-Da" title="Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da">Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da</a>', at the <a href="/wiki/Festival_Theatre,_Malvern" title="Festival Theatre, Malvern">Festival Theatre, Malvern</a> in Worcestershire, <del>would later be made</del> <ins>was</ins> available on 'The Beatles Complete on Ukulele' podcast. ... Spinetti's film career developed simultaneously; his dozens of film appearances <del>would include</del> <ins>included</ins> Zeffirelli's <i>The Taming of the Shrew</i>, <i>Under Milk Wood</i>, <i>The Return of the Pink Panther</i> and <i>Under the Cherry Moon</i>." <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=prev&oldid=928011757&diffmode=source">[13]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=prev&oldid=927999097&diffmode=source">[14]</a></li> <li>"The race <del>would start</del> <ins>started</ins> with Kyle Busch and Kyle Larson fighting for the lead, but on lap 2 Christopher Bell <del>would lose</del> <ins>lost</ins> control of his car in Turn 1, but <del>would save the car</del> <ins>managed to save it</ins>." <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2021_NASCAR_All-Star_Race&diff=prev&oldid=1028437293">[15]</a></li> <li>"Cecil Beaton, after being fired from American Vogue in 1938, on charges of anti-Semitism, was living in England when his phone rang. Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, who would go on to be his favorite royal subject, wanted to be photographed by him<span class="nowrap"> </span>... Years later, he would sit in Westminster Abbey, high up near the organ pipes, taking photos of Queen Elizabeth II’s coronation with his top hat stuffed with sandwiches." <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://hyperallergic.com/449928/a-film-digs-beneath-the-dandy-persona-of-cecil-beaton/">[16]</a> (This illustrates a particular hazard of would-iness, to wit that it can mislead the reader into thinking a habit is being described: "He would sit in Westminster Abbey, high up near the organ pipes, taking photos", like he's stalker or something.)</li> <li>"Those who pleaded for clemency for Casement included <a href="/wiki/Arthur_Conan_Doyle" title="Arthur Conan Doyle">Sir Arthur Conan Doyle</a>, who was acquainted with Casement through the work of the Congo Reform Association, poet <a href="/wiki/W._B._Yeats" title="W. B. Yeats">W. B. Yeats</a>, and playwright <a href="/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw" title="George Bernard Shaw">George Bernard Shaw</a>. <a href="/wiki/Joseph_Conrad" title="Joseph Conrad">Joseph Conrad</a> could not forgive Casement, nor could Casement's longtime friend, the sculptor <a href="/wiki/Herbert_Ward_(sculptor)" title="Herbert Ward (sculptor)">Herbert Ward</a>, whose son Charles had been killed on the Western Front that January, and who would change the name of Casement's godson, who had been named after him." <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=1026567747">[17]</a> (What in the hell is that even trying to say?)</li> <li><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=prev&oldid=695881518">[18]</a></li> <li><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=1049331946">[19]</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Big_Van_Vader" title="Big Van Vader">Big Van Vader</a> would emerge victorious.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Big_Van_Vader&curid=1027406&diff=1093933511&oldid=1093921174&diffmode=source">[20]</a></li> <li>"The Tiddlytubbies would get their own spin-off animated web series in 2018." <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletubbies#Supporting_characters">[21]</a></li> <li>"However, many jumps racing supporters attempted to keep jumps racing at Oakbank and that fight went into the South Australian Court System. ... That would result in an election occurring which the anti-jumps faction winning but debate surrounding that vote spilled into more legal action." <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steeplechase_(horse_racing)#Opposition_to_jumps_racing">[22]</a></li> <li>Farian <del>would </del>later attempt<ins>ed</ins> a failed comeback for the group without Morvan and Pilatus.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1109874654">[23]</a></li> <li>While at Vassar, he and fellow future filmmaker, <a href="/wiki/Jason_Blum" title="Jason Blum">Jason Blum</a>, were roommates (Blum <del>would </del>later produce<ins>d</ins> Baumbach's first film, <i><a href="/wiki/Kicking_and_Screaming_(1995_film)" title="Kicking and Screaming (1995 film)">Kicking and Screaming</a></i> in 1995).<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1168749055">[24]</a> (This edit and the previous one about Farian are accompanied by the edit summary "He not only would but did". Tongue in cheek because it suggests ignorance of the valid use of the "would" construction in, for example, an account written in an engaging you-are-there tone, but that isn't Wikipedia tone.)</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bean_Station,_Tennessee&diff=prev&oldid=1188524613">This entire article, with 46 instances of "would", 45 of which were incorrect usage</a></li></ul> <p>Closely related constructions include: </p> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Albino Luciani (later to become <a href="/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_I" title="Pope John Paul I">Pope John Paul I</a>)</q><sup class="noprint Inline-Template Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[<i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (January 2021)">citation needed</span></a></i>]</sup></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The SL-8200 was to compete against the VHS VCRs</q>.<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>5<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Misc" data-mw-thread-id="h-Misc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Misc"></span>Misc<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Misc"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Queen_Elizabeth_slipped_majestically_into_the_water&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Misc"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=1049994755">At least it didn't say "eponymous pudding"</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="See_also" data-mw-thread-id="h-See_also"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-See_also"></span>See also<span data-mw-comment-end="h-See_also"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Queen_Elizabeth_slipped_majestically_into_the_water&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: See also"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:The_problem_with_elegant_variation" title="Wikipedia:The problem with elegant variation">Wikipedia:The problem with elegant variation</a> (featured in <i>The New Yorker</i> -- really! <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=1122700608#We're_in_the_New_Yorker">[25]</a>)</li> <li>"<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-10-15/Op-ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-10-15/Op-ed">Ships—sexist or sexy?</a>", <i>The Signpost</i>, 2014-10-15.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Eleanor_Elkins_Widener#Second_marriage_and_South_American_adventures" title="Eleanor Elkins Widener">Explorer weds Titanic widow</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/03/29/reuters-policy-replacing-terms-queen-queen-elizabeth-produced-hilarious-results/">Queen Elizabeth has 10 times the lifespan of workers and lays up to 2,000 eggs a day</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="References" data-mw-thread-id="h-References"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-References"></span>References<span data-mw-comment-end="h-References"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Queen_Elizabeth_slipped_majestically_into_the_water&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: References"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">In the many, MANY, <i>MANY</i> debates on the subject of referring to ships as <i>she</i>, much ink has been spilled in argument over whether or not that practice is sexist. It seems unnecessary to answer that question, however, since the stupidity and pretension of such references should be enough, on their own, to decide the bottom-line issue <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=927659716">[1]</a>. But in case it's not obvious (and apparently it's not <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=1256022327">[2]</a>): the thrust (<cough>) of this essay's examples is to illustrate that -- as so often is the case -- stupidity, pretension, and sexism (not to mention other distasteful <i>-isms</i>) often go hand in hand.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite class="citation news cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newspapers.com/clip/41528969/rms_lusitania_1907/">"The Lusitania ..."</a> <i>The Appleton Weekly Post</i>. October 17, 1907. p. 6<span class="reference-accessdate">. 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