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class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Earth-Two&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Edit section: Roy Thomas credited as co-creator?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Roy_Thomas_credited_as_co-creator?-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z-Roy_Thomas_credited_as_co-creator?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Tbrittreid-2010-02-18T23:08:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z","timestamp":"2010-02-18T23:08:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Roy_Thomas_credited_as_co-creator?-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z-Roy_Thomas_credited_as_co-creator?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Roy Thomas credited as co-creator?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Roy Thomas credited as co-creator?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z-Roy_Thomas_credited_as_co-creator?"></span>I was doing a little work on <a href="/wiki/Doctor_Fate" title="Doctor Fate">Doctor Fate</a>, and found this template, which was already open. In the "Creators" field we find the names Gardner Fox and Roy Thomas. Excuse me, but what the hell did Roy have to do with <b>creating</b> Earth-Two? He wasn't even a comics pro then. Admittedly he severely (and I use that word deliberately, but that's another debate) redefined it with his 1980s series <i><a href="/wiki/All-Star_Squadron" title="All-Star Squadron">All-Star Squadron</a></i> and <i><a href="/wiki/Infinity,_Inc." title="Infinity, Inc.">Infinity, Inc.</a></i>, but that is <b>very</b> far removed from creating the damned thing. The <a href="/wiki/Earth-Two" title="Earth-Two">article</a> doesn't deal with this question at all. Unless someone knows that as a fan corresponding with Fox (and/or editor <a href="/wiki/Julius_Schwartz" title="Julius Schwartz">Julius Schwartz</a>, who from what I've heard <b>does</b> deserve to be there) at the time Thomas actually had input at the outset, his name should be removed. Anybody care to comment? --<a href="/wiki/User:Tbrittreid" title="User:Tbrittreid">Ted Watson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tbrittreid" title="User talk:Tbrittreid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Earth-Two#c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z-Roy_Thomas_credited_as_co-creator?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z-Roy_Thomas_credited_as_co-creator?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z","author":"Tbrittreid","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z-Roy_Thomas_credited_as_co-creator?","replies":["c-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Ted Watson"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z-Roy_Thomas_credited_as_co-creator?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z"></span>2¢... Thomas really doesn't fit as a creator here. Especially with respect to how character navboxes are being handled.</dd> <dd>Side note... is there anything solid that can be added to the Earth-Two article to support Schwartz as co-creating the concept with Fox?</dd> <dd>- <a href="/wiki/User:J_Greb" title="User:J Greb">J Greb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J_Greb" title="User talk:J Greb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Earth-Two#c-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z","author":"J Greb","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-24T22:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z"></span>I'm pretty sure that Thomas' book <i>The All-Star Companion</i> says something to that effect, but I haven't seen a copy in several years and can't guarantee it. Anybody got one? --<a href="/wiki/User:Tbrittreid" title="User:Tbrittreid">Ted Watson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tbrittreid" title="User talk:Tbrittreid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Earth-Two#c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z","author":"Tbrittreid","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tbrittreid-2010-02-18T23:08:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Ted Watson"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z-J_Greb-2008-11-24T23:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tbrittreid-2010-02-18T23:08:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z"></span>Since there has been well over a year with no dissent, and the infobox attached to the Earth-Two article credits just Fox, I am taking Thomas out here. The addition of Schwartz remains unresolved, however. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tbrittreid" title="User:Tbrittreid">Tbrittreid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tbrittreid" title="User talk:Tbrittreid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Earth-Two#c-Tbrittreid-2010-02-18T23:08:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 18 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tbrittreid-2010-02-18T23:08:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-02-18T23:08:00.000Z","author":"Tbrittreid","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tbrittreid-2010-02-18T23:08:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tbrittreid-2010-02-18T23:08:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2008-11-25T20:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Star-Spangled Kid AND Sylvester Pemberton&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Star-Spangled Kid AND Sylvester Pemberton&quot;}--><h2 id="Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton" data-mw-thread-id="h-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z"></span>Star-Spangled Kid AND Sylvester Pemberton<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Earth-Two&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: Star-Spangled Kid AND Sylvester Pemberton"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Tbrittreid-2009-08-11T22:30:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z","timestamp":"2009-08-11T22:30:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Star-Spangled Kid AND Sylvester Pemberton&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Star-Spangled Kid AND Sylvester Pemberton&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton"></span>In the "Inhabitants" list, doesn't the entry for <a href="/wiki/Star-Spangled_Kid" title="Star-Spangled Kid">Star-Spangled Kid</a> cover <a href="/wiki/Sylvester_Pemberton" title="Sylvester Pemberton">Sylvester Pemberton</a>, or vice versa? After all, unless the relevant Wiki-articles are highly misleading, nobody else has been the S-S Kid <b>on Earth 2</b>, the point here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tbrittreid" title="User:Tbrittreid">Tbrittreid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tbrittreid" title="User talk:Tbrittreid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Earth-Two#c-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z","author":"Tbrittreid","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton","replies":["c-Tbrittreid-2009-08-11T22:30:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z-Star-Spangled_Kid_AND_Sylvester_Pemberton"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tbrittreid-2009-08-11T22:30:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z"></span>They've been combined, so I guess <b>somebody</b> agreed with me. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tbrittreid" title="User:Tbrittreid">Tbrittreid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tbrittreid" title="User talk:Tbrittreid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Earth-Two#c-Tbrittreid-2009-08-11T22:30:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tbrittreid-2009-08-11T22:30:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-11T22:30:00.000Z","author":"Tbrittreid","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tbrittreid-2009-08-11T22:30:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tbrittreid-2009-08-11T22:30:00.000Z-Tbrittreid-2009-06-18T21:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐7c4dcdbb87‐vj44p Cached time: 20241203091755 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.011 seconds CPU time usage: 0.172 seconds Real time usage: 0.231 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 774/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 11369/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 24/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 10/100 Expensive parser function count: 8/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 9791/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.120/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 1688944/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 188.200 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 100.00% 188.200 1 -total 59.64% 112.240 1 Template:WikiProject_Comics 1.33% 2.503 1 Template:Importance_mask --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:20381036:|#|:idhash:canonical and timestamp 20241203091755 and revision id 1230377198. 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