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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Mathematics</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Mathematics</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">mathematics articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Format" data-mw-thread-id="h-Format"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Format"></span>Format<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Format"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Logical_connectives&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Format"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Format","replies":[]}}--></div> <p>For each of the 16 operators, I'd like to see some of these sections: </p> <ul><li>Definition</li> <li>Properties</li> <li>Symbol</li> <li>Natural Language/Rhetoric/Colloquial usage</li> <li>Venn Diagram</li> <li>Boolean Algebra</li> <li>Computer Science</li> <li>See also</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Contradiction_vs_\"False\"-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z-Contradiction_vs_\"False\""],"text":"Contradiction vs \"False\"","linkableTitle":"Contradiction vs \"False\""}--><h2 id="Contradiction_vs_"False"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Contradiction_vs_"False"-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z"><span id="Contradiction_vs_.22False.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Contradiction_vs_"False"-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z"></span>Contradiction vs "False"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Contradiction_vs_"False"-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Logical_connectives&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Contradiction vs "False""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Contradiction_vs_\"False\"-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z-Contradiction_vs_\"False\""]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T14:57:00.000Z-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z","timestamp":"2012-03-02T14:57:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Contradiction_vs_\"False\"-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z-Contradiction_vs_\"False\""],"text":"Contradiction vs \"False\"","linkableTitle":"Contradiction vs \"False\""}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z-Contradiction_vs_"False""></span>Would somebody object if I change the bottommost link to a newly created <a href="/wiki/False_(logic)" title="False (logic)">False (logic)</a>? A "<a href="/wiki/Contradiction" title="Contradiction">contradiction</a>" (a statement which entails the false) has it light side counterpart – it is a <a href="/wiki/Theorem" title="Theorem">theorem</a> (a statement, entailed by the truth/tautology), but not a <a href="/wiki/Tautology_(logic)" title="Tautology (logic)">tautology (logic)</a> itself. <a href="/wiki/User:Incnis_Mrsi" title="User:Incnis Mrsi">Incnis Mrsi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Incnis_Mrsi" title="User talk:Incnis Mrsi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Logical_connectives#c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z-Contradiction_vs_"False"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z-Contradiction_vs_"False""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z","author":"Incnis Mrsi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z-Contradiction_vs_\"False\"","replies":["c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z-Contradiction_vs_"False""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z"></span>This <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Logical_connectives&curid=11880314&diff=479757254">[1]</a> is an outcome worse than either "<a href="/wiki/Contradiction" title="Contradiction">Contradiction</a>" or "<a href="/wiki/False_(logic)" title="False (logic)">False</a>". Wikipedia <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EGG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EGG">may not hide</a> the link to false under the display title "Contradiction". <a href="/wiki/User:Incnis_Mrsi" title="User:Incnis Mrsi">Incnis Mrsi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Incnis_Mrsi" title="User talk:Incnis Mrsi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Logical_connectives#c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z","author":"Incnis Mrsi","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-02-26T19:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z"></span>I'm open minded to how to organize things. However, upon reflection, I think <a href="/wiki/Contradiction" title="Contradiction">Contradiction</a> is more appropriate. We just need to make sure there is some relevant content at linked articles. The falsum, or tee symbols stand for an arbitrary contradiction, or tautology as the case may be. It is a "nullary" logical connective. This is consistent with the behavior of truth functions and arities, etcetera. If there is to be an article about "false" is has to be about the concept of the truth value.<a href="/wiki/User:Gregbard" title="User:Gregbard">Greg Bard</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gregbard" title="User talk:Gregbard">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Logical_connectives#c-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z","author":"Gregbard","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T14:57:00.000Z-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Greg\u00a0Bard"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T04:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T14:57:00.000Z-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z"></span>Sadly, I am not native in English math terminology, which apparently is quite confusing in this domain. Nobody around knows all definitions of "⊥", which logical systems use it as a basic symbol, and how definitions are related. <i>The falsum</i>… <i>stand for an arbitrary contradiction</i>… <i>it is a "nullary" logical connective</i>. If "⊥" is defined as a <b>connective</b>, then it is <b>not "arbitrary"</b>. Enough said. <a href="/wiki/User:Incnis_Mrsi" title="User:Incnis Mrsi">Incnis Mrsi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Incnis_Mrsi" title="User talk:Incnis Mrsi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Logical_connectives#c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T14:57:00.000Z-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 2 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T14:57:00.000Z-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-02T14:57:00.000Z","author":"Incnis Mrsi","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T14:57:00.000Z-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Incnis_Mrsi-2012-03-02T14:57:00.000Z-Gregbard-2012-03-02T05:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐688fc9465‐cr9bl Cached time: 20241125163546 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.011 seconds CPU time usage: 0.176 seconds Real time usage: 0.218 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 113/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 8590/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 0/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 6/100 Expensive parser function count: 5/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 9791/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.131/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 1587270/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 174.787 1 -total 100.00% 174.787 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 64.67% 113.034 1 Template:WikiProject_Mathematics --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:11911202:|#|:idhash:canonical and timestamp 20241125163546 and revision id 1233064407. 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