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Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review" title="Wikipedia:Move review">move review</a> after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the move request was: <b>No consensus</b>. After a month and a half, a clear consensus has yet to be established. This close does not preclude another RM from being opened sooner than the “general” 3 month waiting period. <small style="color:#999;text-shadow:#D3D3D3 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em">— <a href="/wiki/User:Coffee" title="User:Coffee"><span style="font-size: larger; color:#ffa439">Coffee</span></a> // <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coffee" title="User talk:Coffee"><span style="color:#090">have a</span> ☕️</a> // <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Coffee" title="Special:Contributions/Coffee"><span style="color:#4682b4">beans</span></a> // </small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#c-Coffee-2022-02-13T04:46:00.000Z-Requested_move_28_December_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 13 February 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coffee-2022-02-13T04:46:00.000Z-Requested_move_28_December_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coffee-2022-02-13T04:46:00.000Z-Requested_move_28_December_2021"></span> </p> <hr/> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_708" class="mw-redirect" title="Garuda Indonesia Flight 708"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z-Requested_move_28_December_2021"></span>Garuda Indonesia Flight 708</a> → <a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesian_Airways_Flight_708" title="Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 708">Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 708</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_892" class="mw-redirect" title="Garuda Indonesia Flight 892">Garuda Indonesia Flight 892</a> → <a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesian_Airways_Flight_892" title="Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 892">Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 892</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_150" class="mw-redirect" title="Garuda Indonesia Flight 150">Garuda Indonesia Flight 150</a> → <a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesian_Airways_Flight_150" title="Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 150">Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 150</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_206" class="mw-redirect" title="Garuda Indonesia Flight 206">Garuda Indonesia Flight 206</a> → <a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesian_Airways_Flight_206" title="Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 206">Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 206</a></li></ul> <p>– The name of the airline at the time was Garuda Indonesian Airways and not Garuda Indonesia. The former name should be used in this case as Garuda Indonesia didn't exist at the time. <a href="/wiki/User:Username006" title="User:Username006">Username006</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Username006" title="User talk:Username006">talk</a>) 04:37, 28 December 2021 (UTC)<small>— <i><b>Relisting.</b></i> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Aervanath" title="User:Aervanath">Aervanath</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aervanath" title="User talk:Aervanath">talk</a>) 03:18, 11 January 2022 (UTC)</small><small>— <i><b>Relisting.</b></i> <small style="color:#999;text-shadow:#D3D3D3 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em">— <a href="/wiki/User:Coffee" title="User:Coffee"><span style="font-size: larger; color:#ffa439">Coffee</span></a> // <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coffee" title="User talk:Coffee"><span style="color:#090">have a</span> ☕️</a> // <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Coffee" title="Special:Contributions/Coffee"><span style="color:#4682b4">beans</span></a> // </small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#c-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z-Requested_move_28_December_2021" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 23 January 2022 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z-Requested_move_28_December_2021"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z-Requested_move_28_December_2021"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Username006-2021-12-28T13:12:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"></span>Removing <a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035" title="Garuda Indonesia Flight 035">Garuda Indonesia Flight 035</a> as seeing through timetables, the airline changed its name in 1986 while the accident of flight 035 was in 1987. <a href="/wiki/User:Username006" title="User:Username006">Username006</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Username006" title="User talk:Username006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#c-Username006-2021-12-28T13:12:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 28 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Username006-2021-12-28T13:12:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Username006-2021-12-28T13:12:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrewa-2022-01-06T06:24:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b>. The official name at the time of the incident is not of any great relevance. What is the common name in the most recent sources? <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#c-Andrewa-2022-01-06T06:24:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 6 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrewa-2022-01-06T06:24:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrewa-2022-01-06T06:24:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Username006-2022-01-07T07:31:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a>:</span> The name of the airline at the time of the accident should be used. And Garuda Indonesian Airways <b>is</b> the common name. See this similar move: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Japan_Airlines#Requested_move_16_October_2021">[1]</a> and this reliable source: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=P9oYG7HA76QC&dat=19680529&printsec=frontpage&hl=en">[2]</a>. The former name is relevant. <a href="/wiki/User:Username006" title="User:Username006">Username006</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Username006" title="User talk:Username006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#c-Username006-2022-01-07T07:31:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 7 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Username006-2022-01-07T07:31:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Username006-2022-01-07T07:31:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrewa-2022-01-07T17:25:00.000Z-Username006-2022-01-07T07:31:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the ping. Why do you think that <i>Garuda Indonesian Airways</i> is the common name? One occurrence is not enough to show this. The previous RM is indeed a precedent but I believe in error. Interesting! But in this case I could perhaps even make a case that the common name is just <i><a href="/wiki/Garuda" title="Garuda">Garuda</a></i>. Of course for the article on the airline that needs disambiguation, so we use the natural disambiguation for the airline article and it is at <i><a href="/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia" title="Garuda Indonesia">Garuda Indonesia</a></i>. But for the first article in the RM list, for example, <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=Garuda_Flight_708&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Garuda Flight 708 (page does not exist)">Garuda Flight 708</a></i> would be unambiguous. Even the <i>Indonesia</i> is unneeded. That suggests to me an alternative to this proposal. Food for thought? <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#c-Andrewa-2022-01-07T17:25:00.000Z-Username006-2022-01-07T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrewa-2022-01-07T17:25:00.000Z-Username006-2022-01-07T07:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrewa-2022-01-07T17:25:00.000Z-Username006-2022-01-07T07:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Username006-2022-01-08T06:13:00.000Z-Andrewa-2022-01-07T17:25:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a>:</span>Garuda Indonesian Airways was the former common name. But even then, every single name need not be a common name. It could have also been that the move was to <a href="/wiki/JAL_Flight_123" class="mw-redirect" title="JAL Flight 123">JAL Flight 123</a> or <a href="/wiki/JAL_Flight_350" class="mw-redirect" title="JAL Flight 350">JAL Flight 350</a> per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>. But per <a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_short_name" title="Template:R from short name">Template:R from short name</a>, these are used as redirects. Garuda Flight 708 can also be taken but just because its shorter, doesn't instantly prove that it is more commonly used. These names are rather possibilities of names, sources could use. A good example would be <a href="/wiki/Italiani_Flight_12" class="mw-redirect" title="Italiani Flight 12">Italiani Flight 12</a> where I'm too requesting a move to <a href="/wiki/Aero_Trasporti_Italiani_Flight_12" title="Aero Trasporti Italiani Flight 12">Aero Trasporti Italiani Flight 12</a>. I'm conducting this request not only for consistency, but I can't find a single source referring to it as 'Italiani Flight 12' but rather 'Aero Trasporti Italiani Flight 12'. The most suitable name should also be used instead of primarily focusing on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>. That's also why we don't call <a href="/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007" title="Korean Air Lines Flight 007">Korean Air Lines Flight 007</a> as <a href="/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_007" class="mw-redirect" title="Korean Air Flight 007">Korean Air Flight 007</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Username006" title="User:Username006">Username006</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Username006" title="User talk:Username006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#c-Username006-2022-01-08T06:13:00.000Z-Andrewa-2022-01-07T17:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 8 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Username006-2022-01-08T06:13:00.000Z-Andrewa-2022-01-07T17:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Username006-2022-01-08T06:13:00.000Z-Andrewa-2022-01-07T17:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yaksar-2022-01-17T00:25:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"></span>Strong Support</b> Logical that the page title should match the name of the airline at the time of the incident, and that matches coverage, not the name it has since changed to today. Usage in sources doesn't seem to show otherwise. The opposing argument is fairly nonsensical -- if we can find that the common name in sourcing refers to it as a different name for the airline that would be one thing, but barring that evidence we should obviously use the actual name of the airline involved in the incident. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yaksar" title="User:Yaksar">Yaksar</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yaksar" title="User talk:Yaksar">(let's chat)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#c-Yaksar-2022-01-17T00:25:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 17 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yaksar-2022-01-17T00:25:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yaksar-2022-01-17T00:25:00.000Z-Username006-2021-12-28T04:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;"></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Uzi,_not_MP5" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uzi,_not_MP5-20231127120900"><span id="Uzi.2C_not_MP5"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Uzi,_not_MP5-20231127120900"></span>Uzi, not MP5<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Uzi,_not_MP5-20231127120900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Uzi, not MP5"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-149.108.99.108-20231127120900-Uzi,_not_MP5"></span>The following is excerpt from Ken Conboy's book called "Kopassus, Inside Indonesia's Special Forces", page 282: "...Moerdani gathered the team around his desk and unveiled specialized equipment he had been stockpiling for special contingencies. This included silenced Israeli-made Uzi submachine guns, Beretta .22 caliber pistols, night vision googles, and half a dozen white commercial bulletproof vests". Conboy later on mentioned the MP5s at page 292: "From a generous initial budget approved by Moerdhani, they purchased some of the best counter-terrorist gear in the world. Assault rifles were the highly regarded Heckler and Koch MP5K from West Germany".<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/149.108.99.108" title="Special:Contributions/149.108.99.108">149.108.99.108</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:149.108.99.108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:149.108.99.108 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#c-149.108.99.108-20231127120900-Uzi,_not_MP5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-149.108.99.108-20231127120900-Uzi,_not_MP5"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-149.108.99.108-20231127120900-Uzi,_not_MP5"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-149.108.99.108-20231127121100-149.108.99.108-20231127120900"></span>And the MP5K was introduced somewhere around 1982. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/149.108.99.108" title="Special:Contributions/149.108.99.108">149.108.99.108</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:149.108.99.108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:149.108.99.108 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Garuda_Indonesia_Flight_035#c-149.108.99.108-20231127121100-149.108.99.108-20231127120900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-149.108.99.108-20231127121100-149.108.99.108-20231127120900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-149.108.99.108-20231127121100-149.108.99.108-20231127120900"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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