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text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Ancient_Egypt%2Fto_do&action=purge">purge</a></li></ul> </div> <ul><li><b>Needed articles</b>.</li></ul> <p>We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have. </p> <ul><li><b>Cleanup</b>.</li></ul> <p>To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates? </p> <ul><li><b>Standardize the Chronology</b>.</li></ul> <p>A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563) </p> <ul><li><b>Stub sorting</b></li></ul> <p>Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . . </p> <ul><li><b>Data sorting</b>.</li></ul> <p>This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. 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The consorts are over there, the Pharaohs over here. Where would we put non-ruling royal children? It's a nightmare. -- cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_C_Price" title="User:Michael C Price">Michael C. Price</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_C_Price" title="User talk:Michael C Price">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Michael_C_Price-2011-07-16T21:32:00.000Z-Merge_back_into_Ancient_Egyptians_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 16 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_C_Price-2011-07-16T21:32:00.000Z-Merge_back_into_Ancient_Egyptians_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_C_Price-2011-07-16T21:32:00.000Z-Merge_back_into_Ancient_Egyptians_template"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Add_link_to_Bull_in_the_protodynastic_list" data-mw-thread-id="h-Add_link_to_Bull_in_the_protodynastic_list-2020-04-16T18:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Add_link_to_Bull_in_the_protodynastic_list-2020-04-16T18:34:00.000Z"></span>Add link to Bull in the protodynastic list<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Add_link_to_Bull_in_the_protodynastic_list-2020-04-16T18:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pharaohs&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Add link to Bull in the protodynastic list"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.90.120.94-2020-04-16T18:34:00.000Z-Add_link_to_Bull_in_the_protodynastic_list"></span>He has a wikipedia article, <a href="/wiki/Bull_(Pharaoh)" class="mw-redirect" title="Bull (Pharaoh)">Bull (Pharaoh)</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.90.120.94" title="Special:Contributions/74.90.120.94">74.90.120.94</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:74.90.120.94" title="User talk:74.90.120.94">talk</a>) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.90.120.94" title="Special:Contributions/74.90.120.94">74.90.120.94</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:74.90.120.94" title="User talk:74.90.120.94">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-74.90.120.94-2020-04-16T18:34:00.000Z-Add_link_to_Bull_in_the_protodynastic_list" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.90.120.94-2020-04-16T18:34:00.000Z-Add_link_to_Bull_in_the_protodynastic_list"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.90.120.94-2020-04-16T18:34:00.000Z-Add_link_to_Bull_in_the_protodynastic_list"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nat-Hor_an_error_for_Hat-Hor?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nat-Hor_an_error_for_Hat-Hor?-2020-08-10T01:33:00.000Z"><span id="Nat-Hor_an_error_for_Hat-Hor.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nat-Hor_an_error_for_Hat-Hor?-2020-08-10T01:33:00.000Z"></span>Nat-Hor an error for Hat-Hor?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nat-Hor_an_error_for_Hat-Hor?-2020-08-10T01:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pharaohs&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Nat-Hor an error for Hat-Hor?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FeanorStar7-2020-08-10T01:33:00.000Z-Nat-Hor_an_error_for_Hat-Hor?"></span>There is an English Wikipedia article for <a href="/wiki/Hat_Hor" title="Hat Hor">Hat Hor</a>; I think the name in the template is incorrect (probably a typo). Looking at the articles for this person in the German and Spanish Wikipedias (which have articles about him), the German WP uses Hat-Hor; the Spanish uses Horus Hat. I think it should be fixed, but wanted to ask first before making a significant change to the template. --<a href="/wiki/User:FeanorStar7" title="User:FeanorStar7">FeanorStar7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FeanorStar7" title="User talk:FeanorStar7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-FeanorStar7-2020-08-10T01:33:00.000Z-Nat-Hor_an_error_for_Hat-Hor?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FeanorStar7-2020-08-10T01:33:00.000Z-Nat-Hor_an_error_for_Hat-Hor?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FeanorStar7-2020-08-10T01:33:00.000Z-Nat-Hor_an_error_for_Hat-Hor?"></span> </p><p>current template, under Protodynastic, Lower Egypt: Wazner [;] Nat-Hor [de; es] [;] Mekh </p><p>suggested change to template: Wazner [;] Hat-Hor [;] Mekh </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Canide_and_Animal?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Canide_and_Animal?-20221028233100"><span id="Canide_and_Animal.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Canide_and_Animal?-20221028233100"></span>Canide and Animal?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Canide_and_Animal?-20221028233100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pharaohs&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Canide and Animal?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnyGuy-20221028233100-Canide_and_Animal?"></span>Who are Canide and Animal? The only references to these rulers appears to be in this template and related ones, but they are otherwise completely absent from all other relevant articles from Wikipedia and outside of Wikipedia. If there was a way to expand on their existence on other articles, then that would be very helpful, but I am currently skeptical as to their place in this template if I can't find any references to them (that don't source this template I may add). <a href="/wiki/User:AnyGuy" title="User:AnyGuy">AnyGuy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnyGuy" title="User talk:AnyGuy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-AnyGuy-20221028233100-Canide_and_Animal?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 28 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnyGuy-20221028233100-Canide_and_Animal?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnyGuy-20221028233100-Canide_and_Animal?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20231030194000-AnyGuy-20221028233100"></span>this bothers me too, im tryna list all pharaohs so this isn’t helpful for me, at least canide kinda has an article it just leads to the pharaoh list where he isn’t even mentioned <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmanuelbruh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmanuelbruh (page does not exist)">Emmanuelbruh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmanuelbruh" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Emmanuelbruh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Emmanuelbruh-20231030194000-AnyGuy-20221028233100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 30 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20231030194000-AnyGuy-20221028233100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emmanuelbruh-20231030194000-AnyGuy-20221028233100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20231126184300-AnyGuy-20221028233100"></span>I edited the template I removed animal which doesn’t even have an article and canide idk if they thought there was a dog pharaoh or something and they misspelled canid idk but I deleted them <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmanuelbruh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmanuelbruh (page does not exist)">Emmanuelbruh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmanuelbruh" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Emmanuelbruh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Emmanuelbruh-20231126184300-AnyGuy-20221028233100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20231126184300-AnyGuy-20221028233100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emmanuelbruh-20231126184300-AnyGuy-20221028233100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removed_unnamed_pharaohs." data-mw-thread-id="h-Removed_unnamed_pharaohs.-20231203025000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removed_unnamed_pharaohs.-20231203025000"></span>Removed unnamed pharaohs.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removed_unnamed_pharaohs.-20231203025000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pharaohs&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Removed unnamed pharaohs."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20231203025000-Removed_unnamed_pharaohs."></span>Is it just me or do I remember a ton of name losts in the first intermediate period, specifically dynasties IX and X. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmanuelbruh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmanuelbruh (page does not exist)">Emmanuelbruh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmanuelbruh" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Emmanuelbruh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Emmanuelbruh-20231203025000-Removed_unnamed_pharaohs." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 3 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20231203025000-Removed_unnamed_pharaohs."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emmanuelbruh-20231203025000-Removed_unnamed_pharaohs."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_December_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_December_2023-20231219161400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_December_2023-20231219161400"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_December_2023-20231219161400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a 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Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <pre><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.18.131.189" title="Special:Contributions/108.18.131.189">108.18.131.189</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:108.18.131.189&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:108.18.131.189 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-108.18.131.189-20231219161400-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_December_2023" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)</a>i made this<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-108.18.131.189-20231219161400-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_December_2023"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-108.18.131.189-20231219161400-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_19_December_2023"></span> </pre> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deltaspace42-20231219163400-108.18.131.189-20231219161400"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EDITXY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EDITXY">"change X to Y" format</a> and provide a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable source</a> if appropriate. <a href="/wiki/User:Deltaspace42" title="User:Deltaspace42"><b><span style="color:orange">Delta</span></b><span style="color:green">space</span><sup style="color:#013220">42</sup></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deltaspace42" title="User talk:Deltaspace42">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Deltaspace42" title="Special:Contributions/Deltaspace42">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Deltaspace42-20231219163400-108.18.131.189-20231219161400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deltaspace42-20231219163400-108.18.131.189-20231219161400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deltaspace42-20231219163400-108.18.131.189-20231219161400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Roman_Pharaohs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Roman_Pharaohs-20240204200400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Roman_Pharaohs-20240204200400"></span>Roman Pharaohs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Roman_Pharaohs-20240204200400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pharaohs&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Roman Pharaohs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LindsayH-20240204200400-Roman_Pharaohs"></span>Is that really necessary/appropriate for this template? I note that the Romans were added about eight months ago by a new editor currently indefinitely blocked as a sock. I recognise that by a loose-ish definition the Emperors were Pharaohs, but not to the point that adding them all in (and then adding the template to their pages) is useful, and i suggest that i will remove, unless there is strong objection. Happy days, ~ <b><a href="/wiki/User:LindsayH" title="User:LindsayH">Lindsay</a></b><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:LindsayH" title="User talk:LindsayH">H</a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:LindsayH" title="User talk:LindsayH">ello</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-LindsayH-20240204200400-Roman_Pharaohs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LindsayH-20240204200400-Roman_Pharaohs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LindsayH-20240204200400-Roman_Pharaohs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-98.228.137.44-20240204211800-LindsayH-20240204200400"></span>As the one who just added the templates to the pages, if the consensus is to remove them from the template, and subsequently from the pages, I have no objection to it. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.228.137.44" title="Special:Contributions/98.228.137.44">98.228.137.44</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:98.228.137.44" title="User talk:98.228.137.44">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-98.228.137.44-20240204211800-LindsayH-20240204200400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-98.228.137.44-20240204211800-LindsayH-20240204200400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-98.228.137.44-20240204211800-LindsayH-20240204200400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr_rnddude-20240204212100-LindsayH-20240204200400"></span>I'm just going to provide a brief literature overview, from the sources I have on hand, for consideration. <dl><dd>Grimal, 1992: full chronology up to the Macedonian dynasty, a brief note for the Ptolemaic and Roman periods <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Hornung, Krauss, & Warburton (eds), 2006: full chronology up to Alexander the Great <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Dodson & Hilton, 2004: full chronology to the Ptolemaic period, and a brief note for later periods <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Bard (ed), 2001: full chronology up to the Ptolemaic period <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Clayton, 1994: no list, but detailed discussion to the Ptolemaic period, and a one page summary of the Roman period <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Shaw (ed), 2004: full chronology through the Roman period <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> OEAE, 2001: full chronology until the Arab Conquest</dd></dl></dd> <dd>I suspect any cut-off point can be justified with reference to HQRS from the Saite period to the Byzantines. Ending with the Ptolemies is the most common. <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_rnddude" title="User:Mr rnddude">Mr rnddude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_rnddude" title="User talk:Mr rnddude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Mr_rnddude-20240204212100-LindsayH-20240204200400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr_rnddude-20240204212100-LindsayH-20240204200400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr_rnddude-20240204212100-LindsayH-20240204200400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A._Parrot-20240204230200-Mr_rnddude-20240204212100"></span>Diocletian was the last Roman emperor to be regarded as pharaoh by the surviving temple priesthoods. They continued to count the years of his reign even after his death, which is why the <a href="/wiki/Graffito_of_Esmet-Akhom" title="Graffito of Esmet-Akhom">last hieroglyphic text</a> is dated to "Year 110". Garry Shaw, in <i>The Pharaoh: Life at Court and on Campaign</i> (2012), makes the case that he was the last pharaoh. I definitely wouldn't include any emperors later than Diocletian—the other non-Christian <a href="/wiki/Tetrarchy" title="Tetrarchy">tetrarchs</a> don't seem to have made enough of an impact to be regarded as pharaohs. But if other editors want to remove all emperors from the template, I won't object. <a href="/wiki/User:A._Parrot" title="User:A. Parrot">A. Parrot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A._Parrot" title="User talk:A. Parrot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-A._Parrot-20240204230200-Mr_rnddude-20240204212100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A._Parrot-20240204230200-Mr_rnddude-20240204212100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A._Parrot-20240204230200-Mr_rnddude-20240204212100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NebY-20240205001900-LindsayH-20240204200400"></span>Whether or not the emperors should be included in the template, it seems inappropriate to add the template to their articles and to categorise them with <a href="/wiki/Category:Roman_pharaohs" title="Category:Roman pharaohs">Category:Roman pharaohs</a>, as they have been since June 2021. It was at most a provincial title, the way that one conquered people or priesthood reconciled Roman rule, not a defining characteristic of the Roman emperors per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEFCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEFCAT">WP:DEFCAT</a> ("<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic, such as the nationality of a person or the geographic location of a place</q>"). Also, it's strange to have a template including Roman pharaohs at the foot of our <a href="/wiki/Pharaohs" class="mw-redirect" title="Pharaohs">Pharaohs</a> article, as it opens with "until the annexation of Egypt by the Roman Empire in 30 BCE." <a href="/wiki/User:NebY" title="User:NebY">NebY</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NebY" title="User talk:NebY">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-NebY-20240205001900-LindsayH-20240204200400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NebY-20240205001900-LindsayH-20240204200400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NebY-20240205001900-LindsayH-20240204200400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-T8612-20240205085400-LindsayH-20240204200400"></span>I think Roman emperors shouldn't be included. It was a sort of courtesy title. <a href="/wiki/User:T8612" title="User:T8612"><span style="color:yellow;background-color:navy">T8612</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:T8612" title="User talk:T8612">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-T8612-20240205085400-LindsayH-20240204200400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:54, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-T8612-20240205085400-LindsayH-20240204200400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-T8612-20240205085400-LindsayH-20240204200400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mythical_section." data-mw-thread-id="h-Mythical_section.-20240207013200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mythical_section.-20240207013200"></span>Mythical section.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mythical_section.-20240207013200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pharaohs&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Mythical section."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200-Mythical_section."></span>Why is there a new section named ‘mythical period’. What does this add exactly? It only lists one pharaoh which doesn’t exist (yes I see the name). If there was a ‘mythical’ section that would be a bit better, it would’ve been in the beginning which the gods and demigods would be listed in. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmanuelbruh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmanuelbruh (page does not exist)">Emmanuelbruh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmanuelbruh" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Emmanuelbruh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200-Mythical_section." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200-Mythical_section."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200-Mythical_section."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200"></span>In my opinion* <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmanuelbruh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmanuelbruh (page does not exist)">Emmanuelbruh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmanuelbruh" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Emmanuelbruh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A._Parrot-20240207183100-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200"></span>I agree. There are many pharaohs whose existence is uncertain, and there is at least one, <a href="/wiki/Nitocris" title="Nitocris">Nitocris</a>, who blurs the boundary between "may have been a real ruler, with ambiguous support from Egyptian sources" and "product of Greek legend". Note that Nitocris is not included in the template. Plato's <a href="/wiki/Thamus" class="mw-redirect" title="Thamus">Thamus</a> is, as far as I can tell, Greek legend at best, and may have been entirely Plato's fictional construct, not even based in preexisting legend. Creating a section for Thamus opens the template up to include other fictitious pharaohs, with unclear inclusion criteria. I don't see the point in opening that can of worms.</dd> <dd>Ping <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnkatz1972" title="User:Johnkatz1972">Johnkatz1972</a>:</span>, who added this section to the template. <a href="/wiki/User:A._Parrot" title="User:A. Parrot">A. Parrot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A._Parrot" title="User talk:A. Parrot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-A._Parrot-20240207183100-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A._Parrot-20240207183100-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A._Parrot-20240207183100-Emmanuelbruh-20240207013200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnkatz1972-20240208083900-A._Parrot-20240207183100"></span>I think any addition of information should be positive, as long as it is not misleading. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnkatz1972" title="User:Johnkatz1972">Johnkatz1972</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnkatz1972" title="User talk:Johnkatz1972">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Johnkatz1972-20240208083900-A._Parrot-20240207183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnkatz1972-20240208083900-A._Parrot-20240207183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnkatz1972-20240208083900-A._Parrot-20240207183100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NebY-20240208201100-Johnkatz1972-20240208083900"></span>Elevating Thamus to the level of "mythical" as opposed to "used once by Plato to make a point and quite possibly invented by him, as mysteriously otherwise unattested even in Greek mythology, let alone Egyptian", and treating him as worthy of note alongside the pharaohs on whom we actually have articles and/or who feature in articles on dynasties, is misleading. <a href="/wiki/User:NebY" title="User:NebY">NebY</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NebY" title="User talk:NebY">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-NebY-20240208201100-Johnkatz1972-20240208083900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NebY-20240208201100-Johnkatz1972-20240208083900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NebY-20240208201100-Johnkatz1972-20240208083900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Staticshakedown-20240208205700-NebY-20240208201100"></span>I agree with removing it. <a href="/wiki/User:Staticshakedown" title="User:Staticshakedown"><span style="color:#990000; font-family:geneva; font-size:medium;"> static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Staticshakedown-20240208205700-NebY-20240208201100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Staticshakedown-20240208205700-NebY-20240208201100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Staticshakedown-20240208205700-NebY-20240208201100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240208214500-NebY-20240208201100"></span>We should either remove it OR we could add all the ‘god pharaohs’ which, although not by plato, still were quite mythical. Whichever one you pick, we should remind ourselves that this is for a wikipedia template which would be factual or as much as possible anyways. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmanuelbruh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmanuelbruh (page does not exist)">Emmanuelbruh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmanuelbruh" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Emmanuelbruh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Emmanuelbruh-20240208214500-NebY-20240208201100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:45, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240208214500-NebY-20240208201100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240208214500-NebY-20240208201100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240208221500-Emmanuelbruh-20240208214500"></span>SHOULD* <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmanuelbruh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmanuelbruh (page does not exist)">Emmanuelbruh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmanuelbruh" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Emmanuelbruh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Emmanuelbruh-20240208221500-Emmanuelbruh-20240208214500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240208221500-Emmanuelbruh-20240208214500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240208221500-Emmanuelbruh-20240208214500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A._Parrot-20240222045200-Mythical_section."></span>As there hasn't been any further discussion in a couple of weeks, and all but one participant supported or leaned toward removing the section, I've taken it out. <a href="/wiki/User:A._Parrot" title="User:A. Parrot">A. Parrot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A._Parrot" title="User talk:A. Parrot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-A._Parrot-20240222045200-Mythical_section." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A._Parrot-20240222045200-Mythical_section."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A._Parrot-20240222045200-Mythical_section."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240309012100-A._Parrot-20240222045200"></span>Thank you. I haven’t visited this in months <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emmanuelbruh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emmanuelbruh (page does not exist)">Emmanuelbruh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emmanuelbruh" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Emmanuelbruh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Emmanuelbruh-20240309012100-A._Parrot-20240222045200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240309012100-A._Parrot-20240222045200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emmanuelbruh-20240309012100-A._Parrot-20240222045200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gods_and_demigod_pharaohs?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gods_and_demigod_pharaohs?-20240824222700"><span id="Gods_and_demigod_pharaohs.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gods_and_demigod_pharaohs?-20240824222700"></span>Gods and demigod pharaohs?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gods_and_demigod_pharaohs?-20240824222700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pharaohs&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Gods and demigod pharaohs?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824222700-Gods_and_demigod_pharaohs?"></span>There are some gods and demigods thought by the Egyptians to be pharaohs. Should they be included? Should they have their own template? Be mentioned in a note? Not be mentioned at all? <a href="/wiki/User:Interested_inTaxonomy" title="User:Interested inTaxonomy">Interested inTaxonomy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Interested_inTaxonomy" title="User talk:Interested inTaxonomy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824222700-Gods_and_demigod_pharaohs?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824222700-Gods_and_demigod_pharaohs?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824222700-Gods_and_demigod_pharaohs?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824223200-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824222700"></span>Also, should nitocris also be in this section? <a href="/wiki/User:Interested_inTaxonomy" title="User:Interested inTaxonomy">Interested inTaxonomy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Interested_inTaxonomy" title="User talk:Interested inTaxonomy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824223200-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824222700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824223200-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824222700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824223200-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824222700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240825180100-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824223200"></span>Fictious pharaohs should also have their own template by the way, if your asking for the criteria for being in this section. <a href="/wiki/User:Interested_inTaxonomy" title="User:Interested inTaxonomy">Interested inTaxonomy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Interested_inTaxonomy" title="User talk:Interested inTaxonomy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pharaohs#c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240825180100-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824223200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240825180100-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824223200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240825180100-Interested_inTaxonomy-20240824223200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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