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(featuring Wes Gay) | Life After Ministry"><meta property="og:image" content="https://d2bwo9zemjwxh5.cloudfront.net/ep-logo/pbblog16951922/42_mpniqn_1200x628.jpg?s=9e882bf4f75532ee276b90e88d6dee4d&e=jpg"><meta property="og:type" content="article"><meta property="og:url" content="https://lifeafterministry.podbean.com/e/whats-your-story-featuring-wes-gay/"><meta property="og:description" content="For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/ To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk Learn more about the great work Wes Gay is doing through StoryBrand by going to: https://www.wesgay.com/ Episode Summary Imagine being just weeks away from your wedding and finding out through a third party that you've been fired from your church. This is exactly what happened to Wes Gay. In this episode of Life After Ministry, host Matt Davis and guest Wes Gay dive into the difficult transitions from church ministry to marketplace success. Together, they explore what it means to be forced out of a role you thought defined you, and how to build a thriving career outside the church while using the same skills honed in ministry. Key Takeaways Unlearning Church Culture: Transitioning from ministry to the marketplace often requires unlearning assumptions about money, leadership, and success. Transferable Skills: Skills developed in ministry - like empathy, communication, and leadership - are highly valuable in other sectors, including sales and business development. Navigating Identity Crisis: Being a pastor may feel like your entire identity, but it’s an assignment, not who you are at the core. Financial Freedom Is Not Shameful: Christians need to rethink the role of money in their lives. Financial success can be a tool for greater impact and service to others. Practical Transition Advice: Start building a portfolio or exploring new opportunities before a crisis forces you into change. Pull Quotes "You are not your job title, and leaving ministry doesn’t mean you stop doing ministry." "The skills you develop in ministry - leading, teaching, and caring for people - are incredibly valuable in the business world." "For Christians, making more money isn’t evil - it’s a tool that can create more opportunities for impact." Chapter Markers [00:00] Introduction – Matt Davis introduces Wes Gay and recounts their first meeting during Matt’s early StoryBrand journey. [02:52] Fired From Ministry – Wes shares his story of being unexpectedly fired just weeks before his wedding. [06:18] Repeated Job Loss – Wes explains the pattern of being let go from multiple ministry roles and its emotional toll. [08:26] Deciding to Leave Ministry – Wes describes his turning point in deciding not to return to ministry, despite applying for numerous church roles. [11:36] Unlearning Ministry Culture – Wes shares what he had to unlearn from church culture to succeed in the marketplace, including assumptions about money and leadership. [14:25] Identity, Assignment, Calling – Matt and Wes discuss the framework of identity, assignment, and calling, and how to navigate transitions with these in mind. [17:17] How Ministry Prepared Wes for Business – Wes discusses how his experience in ministry helped him transition into StoryBrand and the marketplace. [21:54] Transferable Skills – Matt and Wes explore the transferable skills pastors can bring into the marketplace, including communication and empathy. [24:58] Christians and Financial Success – A discussion on why financial success is not something Christians should feel guilty about. [28:07] Using Pastoral Skills in the Marketplace – Wes reflects on how his pastoral skills continue to influence his business relationships and how they’re still a form of ministry. [31:45] How to Communicate Clearly as a Church – Wes provides practical advice for churches on dropping the jargon and communicating clearly with their congregation. [37:40] Closing and Contact Info – Wes shares how listeners can connect with him for marketing advice or transition coaching. "><meta name="description" content="For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/ To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk Learn more about the great work Wes Gay is doing through StoryBrand by going to: https://www.wesgay.com/ Episode Summary Imagine being just weeks away from your wedding and finding out through a third party that you've been fired from your church. This is exactly what happened to Wes Gay. In this episode of Life After Ministry, host Matt Davis and guest Wes Gay dive into the difficult transitions from church ministry to marketplace success. Together, they explore what it means to be forced out of a role you thought defined you, and how to build a thriving career outside the church while using the same skills honed in ministry. Key Takeaways Unlearning Church Culture: Transitioning from ministry to the marketplace often requires unlearning assumptions about money, leadership, and success. Transferable Skills: Skills developed in ministry - like empathy, communication, and leadership - are highly valuable in other sectors, including sales and business development. Navigating Identity Crisis: Being a pastor may feel like your entire identity, but it’s an assignment, not who you are at the core. Financial Freedom Is Not Shameful: Christians need to rethink the role of money in their lives. Financial success can be a tool for greater impact and service to others. Practical Transition Advice: Start building a portfolio or exploring new opportunities before a crisis forces you into change. Pull Quotes "You are not your job title, and leaving ministry doesn’t mean you stop doing ministry." "The skills you develop in ministry - leading, teaching, and caring for people - are incredibly valuable in the business world." "For Christians, making more money isn’t evil - it’s a tool that can create more opportunities for impact." Chapter Markers [00:00] Introduction – Matt Davis introduces Wes Gay and recounts their first meeting during Matt’s early StoryBrand journey. [02:52] Fired From Ministry – Wes shares his story of being unexpectedly fired just weeks before his wedding. [06:18] Repeated Job Loss – Wes explains the pattern of being let go from multiple ministry roles and its emotional toll. [08:26] Deciding to Leave Ministry – Wes describes his turning point in deciding not to return to ministry, despite applying for numerous church roles. [11:36] Unlearning Ministry Culture – Wes shares what he had to unlearn from church culture to succeed in the marketplace, including assumptions about money and leadership. [14:25] Identity, Assignment, Calling – Matt and Wes discuss the framework of identity, assignment, and calling, and how to navigate transitions with these in mind. [17:17] How Ministry Prepared Wes for Business – Wes discusses how his experience in ministry helped him transition into StoryBrand and the marketplace. [21:54] Transferable Skills – Matt and Wes explore the transferable skills pastors can bring into the marketplace, including communication and empathy. [24:58] Christians and Financial Success – A discussion on why financial success is not something Christians should feel guilty about. [28:07] Using Pastoral Skills in the Marketplace – Wes reflects on how his pastoral skills continue to influence his business relationships and how they’re still a form of ministry. [31:45] How to Communicate Clearly as a Church – Wes provides practical advice for churches on dropping the jargon and communicating clearly with their congregation. [37:40] Closing and Contact Info – Wes shares how listeners can connect with him for marketing advice or transition coaching. "><meta name="twitter:card" content="player"><meta name="twitter:site" content="@podbeancom"><meta name="twitter:url" content="https://lifeafterministry.podbean.com/e/whats-your-story-featuring-wes-gay/"><meta name="twitter:title" content="What's Your Story? (featuring Wes Gay) | Life After Ministry"><meta name="twitter:description" content="For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/ To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk Learn more about the great work Wes Gay is doing through StoryBrand by going to: https://www.wesgay.com/ Episode Summary Imagine being just weeks away from your wedding and finding out through a third party that you've been fired from your church. This is exactly what happened to Wes Gay. In this episode of Life After Ministry, host Matt Davis and guest Wes Gay dive into the difficult transitions from church ministry to marketplace success. Together, they explore what it means to be forced out of a role you thought defined you, and how to build a thriving career outside the church while using the same skills honed in ministry. Key Takeaways Unlearning Church Culture: Transitioning from ministry to the marketplace often requires unlearning assumptions about money, leadership, and success. Transferable Skills: Skills developed in ministry - like empathy, communication, and leadership - are highly valuable in other sectors, including sales and business development. Navigating Identity Crisis: Being a pastor may feel like your entire identity, but it’s an assignment, not who you are at the core. Financial Freedom Is Not Shameful: Christians need to rethink the role of money in their lives. Financial success can be a tool for greater impact and service to others. Practical Transition Advice: Start building a portfolio or exploring new opportunities before a crisis forces you into change. Pull Quotes "You are not your job title, and leaving ministry doesn’t mean you stop doing ministry." "The skills you develop in ministry - leading, teaching, and caring for people - are incredibly valuable in the business world." "For Christians, making more money isn’t evil - it’s a tool that can create more opportunities for impact." Chapter Markers [00:00] Introduction – Matt Davis introduces Wes Gay and recounts their first meeting during Matt’s early StoryBrand journey. [02:52] Fired From Ministry – Wes shares his story of being unexpectedly fired just weeks before his wedding. [06:18] Repeated Job Loss – Wes explains the pattern of being let go from multiple ministry roles and its emotional toll. [08:26] Deciding to Leave Ministry – Wes describes his turning point in deciding not to return to ministry, despite applying for numerous church roles. [11:36] Unlearning Ministry Culture – Wes shares what he had to unlearn from church culture to succeed in the marketplace, including assumptions about money and leadership. [14:25] Identity, Assignment, Calling – Matt and Wes discuss the framework of identity, assignment, and calling, and how to navigate transitions with these in mind. [17:17] How Ministry Prepared Wes for Business – Wes discusses how his experience in ministry helped him transition into StoryBrand and the marketplace. [21:54] Transferable Skills – Matt and Wes explore the transferable skills pastors can bring into the marketplace, including communication and empathy. [24:58] Christians and Financial Success – A discussion on why financial success is not something Christians should feel guilty about. [28:07] Using Pastoral Skills in the Marketplace – Wes reflects on how his pastoral skills continue to influence his business relationships and how they’re still a form of ministry. [31:45] How to Communicate Clearly as a Church – Wes provides practical advice for churches on dropping the jargon and communicating clearly with their congregation. [37:40] Closing and Contact Info – Wes shares how listeners can connect with him for marketing advice or transition coaching. 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This is exactly what happened to Wes Gay.</p> <p>In this episode of <em>Life After Ministry</em>, host Matt Davis and guest Wes Gay dive into the difficult transitions from church ministry to marketplace success.</p> <p>Together, they explore what it means to be forced out of a role you thought defined you, and how to build a thriving career outside the church while using the same skills honed in ministry.</p> <h3>Key Takeaways</h3> <ol><li><strong>Unlearning Church Culture</strong>: Transitioning from ministry to the marketplace often requires unlearning assumptions about money, leadership, and success.</li> <li><strong>Transferable Skills</strong>: Skills developed in ministry - like empathy, communication, and leadership - are highly valuable in other sectors, including sales and business development.</li> <li><strong>Navigating Identity Crisis</strong>: Being a pastor may feel like your entire identity, but it’s an assignment, not who you are at the core.</li> <li><strong>Financial Freedom Is Not Shameful</strong>: Christians need to rethink the role of money in their lives. Financial success can be a tool for greater impact and service to others.</li> <li><strong>Practical Transition Advice</strong>: Start building a portfolio or exploring new opportunities before a crisis forces you into change.</li> </ol><h3>Pull Quotes</h3> <ol><li>"You are not your job title, and leaving ministry doesn’t mean you stop doing ministry."</li> <li>"The skills you develop in ministry - leading, teaching, and caring for people - are incredibly valuable in the business world."</li> <li>"For Christians, making more money isn’t evil - it’s a tool that can create more opportunities for impact."</li> </ol><h3>Chapter Markers</h3> <ul><li><strong>[00:00] Introduction</strong> – Matt Davis introduces Wes Gay and recounts their first meeting during Matt’s early StoryBrand journey.</li> <li><strong>[02:52] Fired From Ministry</strong> – Wes shares his story of being unexpectedly fired just weeks before his wedding.</li> <li><strong>[06:18] Repeated Job Loss</strong> – Wes explains the pattern of being let go from multiple ministry roles and its emotional toll.</li> <li><strong>[08:26] Deciding to Leave Ministry</strong> – Wes describes his turning point in deciding not to return to ministry, despite applying for numerous church roles.</li> <li><strong>[11:36] Unlearning Ministry Culture</strong> – Wes shares what he had to unlearn from church culture to succeed in the marketplace, including assumptions about money and leadership.</li> <li><strong>[14:25] Identity, Assignment, Calling</strong> – Matt and Wes discuss the framework of identity, assignment, and calling, and how to navigate transitions with these in mind.</li> <li><strong>[17:17] How Ministry Prepared Wes for Business</strong> – Wes discusses how his experience in ministry helped him transition into StoryBrand and the marketplace.</li> <li><strong>[21:54] Transferable Skills</strong> – Matt and Wes explore the transferable skills pastors can bring into the marketplace, including communication and empathy.</li> <li><strong>[24:58] Christians and Financial Success</strong> – A discussion on why financial success is not something Christians should feel guilty about.</li> <li><strong>[28:07] Using Pastoral Skills in the Marketplace</strong> – Wes reflects on how his pastoral skills continue to influence his business relationships and how they’re still a form of ministry.</li> <li><strong>[31:45] How to Communicate Clearly as a Church</strong> – Wes provides practical advice for churches on dropping the jargon and communicating clearly with their congregation.</li> <li><strong>[37:40] Closing and Contact Info</strong> – Wes shares how listeners can connect with him for marketing advice or transition coaching.</li> </ul></p></div></div></div><div class="col-lg-8 offset-lg-2 pt-5 pb-2"><div class="cc-comments"><div class="title-content border-top pt-3"><h2 class="title mb-2">Comments <span>(0)</span></h2><p class="words">To leave or reply to comments, please download free Podbean 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