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independently assess some as A-class, regardless of GA status.</li><li><b><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleanup" title="Wikipedia:Cleanup">Cleanup</a></i> :</b> <br/> * <a href="/wiki/Sport_governing_body" class="mw-redirect" title="Sport governing body">Sport governing body</a> (this should-be-major article is in a <i>shameful</i> state) <br/> * <a href="/wiki/Field_hockey" title="Field hockey">Field hockey</a> (History section needs sources and accurate information - very vague at the moment.) <br/> * Standardize <a href="/wiki/Category:American_college_sports_infobox_templates" title="Category:American college sports infobox templates">Category:American college sports infobox templates</a> to use same font size and spacing. <br/> * <a href="/wiki/Sport_in_the_United_Kingdom" title="Sport in the United Kingdom">Sport in the United Kingdom</a> - the <a href="/wiki/Sport_in_the_United_Kingdom#Popularity" title="Sport in the United Kingdom">Popularity</a> section is incorrect and unsourced. Reliable data is required. <br/> * Fix project template and/or "to do list" Current version causes tables of content to be hidden unless/until reader chooses "show."</li><li><b><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Writing_better_articles" title="Wikipedia:Writing better articles">Expand</a></i> :</b> <a href="/wiki/Professional_sports" title="Professional sports">Professional sports</a> (crucial article explaining the salaried undertaking of sports) <br/> * <a href="/wiki/Sport_industry" title="Sport industry">Sport industry</a> (currently a sub-stub)</li><li><b><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_pictures" title="Wikipedia:Requested pictures">Photo</a></i> :</b> for pages listed in <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_images_of_sports_and_games" title="Category:Wikipedia requested images of sports and games">Category:Wikipedia requested images of sports and games</a> and sub-categories.</li><li><b><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub" title="Wikipedia:Stub">Stubs</a></i> :</b> work on 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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">National Football League</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject National Football League</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">National Football League articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-top"><a href="/wiki/Category:Top-importance_National_Football_League_articles" title="Category:Top-importance National Football League articles">Top</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Top-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_National_Football_League/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wrong_Wrong_Wrong" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wrong_Wrong_Wrong-20231016132600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wrong_Wrong_Wrong-20231016132600"></span>Wrong Wrong Wrong<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wrong_Wrong_Wrong-20231016132600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:American_football&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Wrong Wrong Wrong"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-138.207.186.136-20231016132600-Wrong_Wrong_Wrong"></span>American football is NOT referred to as "Gridiron" -- not anywhere in the U.S., anyway. Whoever entered that reference in the main article either must not be from this country or has no interest in or knowledge of the game. The gridiron is another name for the FIELD on which the game is played, a holdover from the early days when, in addition to the 5 or 10 yard stripes, lines were also laid down from end zone to endzone, running perpendicular to the yard stripes, thus forming a grid. References are sometimes made to play "on the gridiron," yes, but is the sport ever referred to as Gridiron? That is a distinct and hearty "no way." <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/138.207.186.136" title="Special:Contributions/138.207.186.136">138.207.186.136</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:138.207.186.136&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:138.207.186.136 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-138.207.186.136-20231016132600-Wrong_Wrong_Wrong" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-138.207.186.136-20231016132600-Wrong_Wrong_Wrong"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-138.207.186.136-20231016132600-Wrong_Wrong_Wrong"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeff_in_CA-20231017215000-138.207.186.136-20231016132600"></span>In the U.K. it is routinely called gridiron football.<a href="/wiki/User:Jeff_in_CA" title="User:Jeff in CA">Jeff in CA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeff_in_CA" title="User talk:Jeff in CA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-Jeff_in_CA-20231017215000-138.207.186.136-20231016132600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeff_in_CA-20231017215000-138.207.186.136-20231016132600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeff_in_CA-20231017215000-138.207.186.136-20231016132600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-93.204.186.108-20231110163000-Jeff_in_CA-20231017215000"></span>A few people in the UK may refer to it as this but not routinely. This because in the UK American football doesn't even rank as a minor sport. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/93.204.186.108" title="Special:Contributions/93.204.186.108">93.204.186.108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:93.204.186.108#top" title="User talk:93.204.186.108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-93.204.186.108-20231110163000-Jeff_in_CA-20231017215000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 10 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-93.204.186.108-20231110163000-Jeff_in_CA-20231017215000"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-93.204.186.108-20231110163000-Jeff_in_CA-20231017215000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ploobus-20231215132800-138.207.186.136-20231016132600"></span>This term is not used in the U.S. when referring to the game. However, it is correct in its use as a differentiator from other firms of football (Association-, Australian Rules-, Rugby-, etc.), even if it IS only derivative. For that purpose, it's important that it be left unchanged.</dd> <dd>More to the point, any semi-knowledgeable fan of the sport understands exactly what you mean when you say gridiron football. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ploobus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ploobus (page does not exist)">Ploobus</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ploobus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Ploobus (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-Ploobus-20231215132800-138.207.186.136-20231016132600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ploobus-20231215132800-138.207.186.136-20231016132600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ploobus-20231215132800-138.207.186.136-20231016132600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Authorized_player_numbers_now_include_the_number_0" data-mw-thread-id="h-Authorized_player_numbers_now_include_the_number_0-20231215132100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Authorized_player_numbers_now_include_the_number_0-20231215132100"></span>Authorized player numbers now include the number 0<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Authorized_player_numbers_now_include_the_number_0-20231215132100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:American_football&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Authorized player numbers now include the number 0"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ploobus-20231215132100-Authorized_player_numbers_now_include_the_number_0"></span>On March 28, 2023, NFL owners approved the use of the number zero for all non-linemen beginning in the 2023-2024 NFL season. </p><p>The article currently States that the NFL only allows the use of numbers 1-99. This needs to be changed to 0-99 </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-owners-approve-proposal-to-allow-players-to-wear-no-0">https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-owners-approve-proposal-to-allow-players-to-wear-no-0</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ploobus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ploobus (page does not exist)">Ploobus</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ploobus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Ploobus (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-Ploobus-20231215132100-Authorized_player_numbers_now_include_the_number_0" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 15 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ploobus-20231215132100-Authorized_player_numbers_now_include_the_number_0"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ploobus-20231215132100-Authorized_player_numbers_now_include_the_number_0"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_1_January_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_1_January_2024-20240101193900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_1_January_2024-20240101193900"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_1_January_2024-20240101193900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:American_football&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alphape1-20240101193900-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_1_January_2024"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Reference 160 is not a relevant reference for the said article but purely a backlink attempt. Nothing about the reference provides value to the article. Should be removed as it purely for advertisement purposes. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Alphape1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Alphape1 (page does not exist)">Alphape1</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alphape1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Alphape1 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-Alphape1-20240101193900-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_1_January_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alphape1-20240101193900-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_1_January_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alphape1-20240101193900-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_1_January_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deltaspace42-20240102163800-Alphape1-20240101193900"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> If you are talking about <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.footballamerica.co.uk/en/blog/britbowl-33-review">this reference</a>, then I think it's pretty relevant here and I don't see any good reason to remove it. <a href="/wiki/User:Deltaspace42" title="User:Deltaspace42"><b><span style="color:orange">Delta</span></b><span style="color:green">space</span><sup style="color:#013220">42</sup></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deltaspace42" title="User talk:Deltaspace42">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Deltaspace42" title="Special:Contributions/Deltaspace42">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-Deltaspace42-20240102163800-Alphape1-20240101193900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deltaspace42-20240102163800-Alphape1-20240101193900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deltaspace42-20240102163800-Alphape1-20240101193900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Decimals_over_fractions?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Decimals_over_fractions?-20240419194500"><span id="Decimals_over_fractions.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Decimals_over_fractions?-20240419194500"></span>Decimals over fractions?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Decimals_over_fractions?-20240419194500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:American_football&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Decimals over fractions?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lindsey40186-20240419194500-Decimals_over_fractions?"></span>In the field and equipment section I see a TON of fractions that make it a bit harsh on the eyes. I know in general Wiki prefers to use of decimals to fractions and I'm think that this is a section that would benefit from that change. <a href="/wiki/User:Lindsey40186" title="User:Lindsey40186">Lindsey40186</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lindsey40186" title="User talk:Lindsey40186">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-Lindsey40186-20240419194500-Decimals_over_fractions?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lindsey40186-20240419194500-Decimals_over_fractions?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lindsey40186-20240419194500-Decimals_over_fractions?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240419194800-Lindsey40186-20240419194500"></span>The rules define them by fractions, not decimals, and since American units don't really use decimals it's the most natural way to use them, imo. AFAIK, only SI units are supposed to 100% use decimals here. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User talk:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240419194800-Lindsey40186-20240419194500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240419194800-Lindsey40186-20240419194500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240419194800-Lindsey40186-20240419194500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lindsey40186-20240513182800-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240419194800"></span>Fair enough :) <a href="/wiki/User:Lindsey40186" title="User:Lindsey40186">Lindsey40186</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lindsey40186" title="User talk:Lindsey40186">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-Lindsey40186-20240513182800-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240419194800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lindsey40186-20240513182800-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240419194800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lindsey40186-20240513182800-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240419194800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2024-20240513151700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2024-20240513151700"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2024-20240513151700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:American_football&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BennettDT-20240513151700-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2024"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <pre><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BennettDT&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BennettDT (page does not exist)">BennettDT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BennettDT" title="User talk:BennettDT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-BennettDT-20240513151700-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BennettDT-20240513151700-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BennettDT-20240513151700-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_May_2024"></span> </pre> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20240513152700-BennettDT-20240513151700"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> this is not the right page to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions" title="Wikipedia:Requests for permissions">request</a> additional <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:User_access_levels" title="Wikipedia:User access levels">user rights</a>. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_create_an_account%3F" title="Wikipedia:Why create an account?">an account</a>, you can wait until you are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:User_access_levels#Autoconfirmed_and_confirmed_users" title="Wikipedia:User access levels">autoconfirmed</a> and edit the page yourself. <a href="/wiki/User:Myrealnamm-alt" title="User:Myrealnamm-alt">Myrealnamm-alt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Myrealnamm-alt" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Myrealnamm-alt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-Myrealnamm-alt-20240513152700-BennettDT-20240513151700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20240513152700-BennettDT-20240513151700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20240513152700-BennettDT-20240513151700"></span></dd></dl> <p>For a project </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Team"_twice_in_the_first_sentence" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Team"_twice_in_the_first_sentence-20240922065300"><span id=".22Team.22_twice_in_the_first_sentence"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Team"_twice_in_the_first_sentence-20240922065300"></span>"Team" twice in the first sentence<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Team"_twice_in_the_first_sentence-20240922065300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:American_football&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: "Team" twice in the first sentence"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_ed17-20240922065300-"Team"_twice_in_the_first_sentence"></span>I've been trying to address the duplicative use of the word "team" in the first sentence, but I've now been <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_football&diff=prev&oldid=1246723752">reverted</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_football&diff=prev&oldid=1246876582">twice</a> without any attempt at presenting a better idea. If anyone else would like to take a swing, have at it. <a href="/wiki/User:The_ed17" title="User:The ed17">Ed</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_ed17" title="User talk:The ed17">[talk]</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OMT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OMT">[OMT]</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-The_ed17-20240922065300-"Team"_twice_in_the_first_sentence" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:53, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_ed17-20240922065300-"Team"_twice_in_the_first_sentence"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_ed17-20240922065300-"Team"_twice_in_the_first_sentence"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240922140000-The_ed17-20240922065300"></span>I mean, it's this way because the article needs to define what type of sport this is (a team sport), how many teams there are (two), and how many players there on each team there are (11). Your edits remove stuff that needs to be there, to solve a problem that really doesn't exist? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User talk:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240922140000-The_ed17-20240922065300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240922140000-The_ed17-20240922065300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240922140000-The_ed17-20240922065300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_ed17-20240922203900-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240922140000"></span>The phrase "two teams of eleven players" already tells readers that American football is a team sport. Including "team sport" is entirely redundant. Moreover, that concept <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OVERLINK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OVERLINK">does not need to be linked</a>; we can certainly assume that our readers have heard of team sports. <a href="/wiki/User:The_ed17" title="User:The ed17">Ed</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_ed17" title="User talk:The ed17">[talk]</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OMT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OMT">[OMT]</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-The_ed17-20240922203900-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240922140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_ed17-20240922203900-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240922140000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_ed17-20240922203900-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240922140000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240923000700-The_ed17-20240922203900"></span>I don't see how it's redundant, especially when team sport is an important definition. Just off a five-second search both <a href="/wiki/Association_football" title="Association football">association football</a> and <a href="/wiki/Basketball" title="Basketball">basketball</a> use similar wordings. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User talk:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240923000700-The_ed17-20240922203900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240923000700-The_ed17-20240922203900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240923000700-The_ed17-20240922203900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_ed17-20240923030200-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240923000700"></span>That another articles does similar things doesn't mean it's good writing. Repeating "team" twice in five words is a clear and obvious redundancy no matter what article we're talking about.</dd> <dd>American football being a team sport is indeed important, which is why the article defines the topic as being "two teams of eleven players". We don't need to repeat that for readers, nor do we need to link to a topic that is "<a href="/wiki/MOS:OVERLINK" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:OVERLINK">understood by most readers in context</a>". This is basic <a href="/wiki/User:Tony1/How_to_improve_your_writing" title="User:Tony1/How to improve your writing">User:Tony1/How to improve your writing</a>-level stuff. <a href="/wiki/User:The_ed17" title="User:The ed17">Ed</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_ed17" title="User talk:The ed17">[talk]</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OMT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OMT">[OMT]</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_football#c-The_ed17-20240923030200-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240923000700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_ed17-20240923030200-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240923000700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_ed17-20240923030200-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240923000700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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