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Quis primus his verbis usus sit nescimus: saepe <a href="/wiki/Marcus_Tullius_Cicero" title="Marcus Tullius Cicero">Ciceroni</a>, nonnumquam <a href="/wiki/Quintilianus" class="mw-redirect" title="Quintilianus">Quintiliano</a> attribuuntur: locutio autem in scriptis classicis nullibi reperitur. Testimonia antiquissima minime citationes, potius allusiones sunt. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Carolus_Stephanus" title="Carolus Stephanus">Carolus Stephanus</a> in editione operum Ciceronianorum a se composita, <a href="/wiki/Lutetia" title="Lutetia">Lutetiae</a> anno <a href="/wiki/1555" title="1555">1555</a> divulgata, volumine primo in indice librorum rhetoricorum alphabetico, lemma "oratores nascuntur, poetae fiunt" (sic) ad lib. 1 sect. 62 operis <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=De_oratore_(Cicero)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="De oratore (Cicero) (non est haec pagina)">De oratore</a></i> refert, non sicut fontem verborum sed locum argumenti:<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> ibi enim (lib. 1 sect. 70 editionum recentiorum) Cicero finitimum oratori poëtam esse opinat, "numeris astrictior[em] paulo, verborum autem licentia liberior[em]". Mox Iosias Nolden, <i>De statu nobilium civili</i> synopticam tractationem <a href="/wiki/Gissa" class="mw-redirect" title="Gissa">Gissae</a> anno <a href="/wiki/1623" title="1623">1623</a> edens, e catena citationum vernaculorum equites <i>non nascono come li poeti, ma si fanno come gl'oratori</i> adducit remque Latine vertit: "non nascuntur sed creantur; non nascuntur ut poëtae, sed fiunt ut oratores".<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> Interdum linguis vernaculis allusiones reperiuntur. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Petrus_Deimerius&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Petrus Deimerius (non est haec pagina)">Petrus Deimerius</a><sup style="padding-left: 1px; font-size: .75em;"><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_de_Deimier" class="extiw" title="fr:Pierre de Deimier"><span title=""Pierre de Deimier" (français)">(fr)</span></a></sup> <a href="/wiki/Francogallice" class="mw-redirect" title="Francogallice">Francogallice</a> anno <a href="/wiki/1610" title="1610">1610</a> opinionem indubitabilem esse animadvertit, ab omnibus doctis creditam, poëtas nasci, oratores fieri (<i>c'est une opinion indubitable en la creance des doctes que les poëtes naissent, et que les orateurs se font</i>).<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> <a href="/wiki/Michael_de_Cervantes_Saavedra" title="Michael de Cervantes Saavedra">Michael de Cervantes</a> anno <a href="/wiki/1615" title="1615">1615</a> ad poëtas, non oratores, alludit: "Secundum veram opinionem nascitur poëta" (<i>según es opinión verdadera, el poeta nace</i>).<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>4<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Claudius_Hadrianus_Helvetius" title="Claudius Hadrianus Helvetius">Claudius Hadrianus Helvetius</a>, sicut fortasse Cicero, de utilitate opinionis communis dubitat: </p> <dl><dd><i>Je ne répéterai donc point, selon l'ancien proverbe, </i>qu'on naît poëte et qu'on devient orateur<i>, mais j'assurerai au contraire</i> ("Minime repeto secundum proverbium antiquum <i>nasci poëtas fierique oratores</i> sed contrarium assevero").<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>5<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd></dl> <p>Cui respondens <a href="/wiki/Dionysius_Diderotus" title="Dionysius Diderotus">Dionysius Diderotus</a> Francogallicam Latinamque aphorismi formas iuxtim posuit: <i><b>On naît poëte, on devient orateur</b>: Fiunt oratores, nascuntur poetæ</i>.<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>6<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> Ex hac locutione <a href="/wiki/Brillat-Savarin" class="mw-redirect" title="Brillat-Savarin">Brillat-Savarin</a> novam de re gastronomica anno fere <a href="/wiki/1825" title="1825">1825</a> proposuit: <i><a href="/wiki/On_devient_cuisinier,_mais_on_na%C3%AEt_r%C3%B4tisseur" title="On devient cuisinier, mais on naît rôtisseur">On devient cuisinier, mais on naît rôtisseur</a></i>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Notae">Notae</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fiunt_oratores:_nascuntur_po%C3%ABtae&veaction=edit&section=1" title="Recensere partem: Notae" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>recensere</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Fiunt_oratores:_nascuntur_po%C3%ABtae&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section's source code: Notae"><span>fontem recensere</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-1">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="/wiki/Carolus_Stephanus" title="Carolus Stephanus">Carolus Stephanus</a>, ed., <i>M. Tullii Ciceronis opera</i> vol. 1. Parisiis, 1555 <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_bXwEIXvoyDMC/page/n387/mode/2up">p. 161 col. 1 ad finem voluminis</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-2">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Josias Nolden, <i>De statu nobilium civili synoptica tractatio</i>. Gissae Hessorum: Hampelius, 1623 (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=1DNeAAAAcAAJ">pp. 101, 108</a> apud <i><a href="/wiki/Google_Books" title="Google Books">Google Books</a></i>)</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-3">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Petrus_Deimerius&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Petrus Deimerius (non est haec pagina)">Petrus Deimerius</a><sup style="padding-left: 1px; font-size: .75em;"><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_de_Deimier" class="extiw" title="fr:Pierre de Deimier"><span title=""Pierre de Deimier" (français)">(fr)</span></a></sup>, <i>L'Académie de l'art poétique</i> (1610) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1083802/f33">p. 2</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-4">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="/wiki/Michael_de_Cervantes_Saavedra" title="Michael de Cervantes Saavedra">Miguel de Cervantes</a>, <i><a href="/wiki/Dominus_Quixotus_a_Manica" title="Dominus Quixotus a Manica">El ingenioso hidalgo don Quixote de la Mancha</a></i> pars 2 cap. 16</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-5">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="/wiki/Claudius_Hadrianus_Helvetius" title="Claudius Hadrianus Helvetius">Helvetius</a>, <i>De l'Homme, de ses facultés intellectuelles et de son éducation</i> (Londinii, 1773) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6469477j/f359">vol. 1 p. 287 in nota subiuncta</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-6"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-6">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="/wiki/Dionysius_Diderotus" title="Dionysius Diderotus">Denis Diderot</a>, "Réfutation de l'ouvrage d'Helvétius" in <i>Œuvres</i> ed. 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