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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computing" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Computing</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Computing</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Computing articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_the_"Nokia"_Operating_systems_should_be_here" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_the_"Nokia"_Operating_systems_should_be_here-2014-12-03T09:13:00.000Z"><span id="Why_the_.22Nokia.22_Operating_systems_should_be_here"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_the_"Nokia"_Operating_systems_should_be_here-2014-12-03T09:13:00.000Z"></span>Why the "Nokia" Operating systems should be here<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_the_"Nokia"_Operating_systems_should_be_here-2014-12-03T09:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Microsoft_operating_systems&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Why the "Nokia" Operating systems should be here"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-1.55.1.245-2014-12-03T09:13:00.000Z-Why_the_"Nokia"_Operating_systems_should_be_here"></span>Microsoft officially supports <a href="/wiki/Series_40" title="Series 40">Series 40</a>, <a href="/wiki/Nokia_X" title="Nokia X">Nokia X</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Nokia_Asha" class="mw-redirect" title="Nokia Asha">Nokia Asha</a>, they specifically say so on their own website, even though they also officially do this with ALL other Nokia platforms (Symbian, Meamo, MeeGo, Etc.) these do not deserve mention as they are not still being produced, but Microsoft will still support them and bring new features to them as well in co-operation with Opera, Series 30 + Series 30+ are actively being manufactured by Microsoft Mobile Oy, and if there is a case against them being here I'd point to the fact that DangerOS makes the list which has <i>literally</i> made it in the same way S40, Nokia X, and Nokia Asha all have, through an acquisition and by means of supporting it while being integrated into a new operating system (Microsoft KIN & Windows Phone), Microsoft released the Nokia X2 platform, not Nokia, so the Nokia X Platform by itself deserves to be here, Microsoft shall replace the Nokia (Ovi) Store with the Opera App Marketplace, this shall not be done with Nokia (which doesn't develop its own operating systems anymore), otherwise I'd suggest to put them with "Nokia Platforms" and rename it "Nokia and Microsoft Mobile Platforms", but removing them here as user "49.200.242.130" insists on is unsupported (and judging from their other edits all they do is remove information from Microsoft Mobile related articles without much explanation, thankfully they have all been edited back in, and not to bring up irrelevant content but seeing a pattern here makes me wonder why the list was removed in the first place), Microsoft is also still actively developing Series 30, simply removing it because it was first made/developed by Nokia makes no sense (otherwise DangerOS and OS/2 shouldn't be here either), though the non existing Nokia OS shouldn't make the list as it's merely an informal name for the 4 I re-added back to the list. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/1.55.1.245" title="Special:Contributions/1.55.1.245">1.55.1.245</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:1.55.1.245&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:1.55.1.245 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Microsoft_operating_systems#c-1.55.1.245-2014-12-03T09:13:00.000Z-Why_the_"Nokia"_Operating_systems_should_be_here" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-1.55.1.245-2014-12-03T09:13:00.000Z-Why_the_"Nokia"_Operating_systems_should_be_here"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-1.55.1.245-2014-12-03T09:13:00.000Z-Why_the_"Nokia"_Operating_systems_should_be_here"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Codename_Lisa-2014-12-03T10:08:00.000Z-1.55.1.245-2014-12-03T09:13:00.000Z"></span>Hi. A platform is not necessarily an operating system. You must confirm that separately. <a href="/wiki/Series_30" title="Series 30">Series 30</a>, <a href="/wiki/Series_40" title="Series 40">Series 40</a>, <a href="/wiki/Series_60" class="mw-redirect" title="Series 60">Series 60</a> <s>and <a href="/wiki/Nokia_X" title="Nokia X">Nokia X</a></s> are not operating systems. In fact: <ul><li>S30 and S40 use <a href="/wiki/Java_ME" class="mw-redirect" title="Java ME">Java ME</a>, which belongs to <a href="/wiki/Oracle_Corporation" title="Oracle Corporation">Oracle Corporation</a>, not Microsoft. (Oh, and these phones were not smartphones, so the issue of separate operating system on them is totally out of question. Sometimes, they just had a small firmware.)</li> <li>S60 uses <a href="/wiki/Symbian" title="Symbian">Symbian</a>, which belonged to <a href="/wiki/Symbian_Foundation" title="Symbian Foundation">Symbian Foundation</a> and is now acquired by <a href="/wiki/Accenture" title="Accenture">Accenture</a>, not Microsoft.</li> <li>Nokia X runs on <a href="/wiki/Google_Android" class="mw-redirect" title="Google Android">Google Android</a>, which belongs to <a href="/wiki/Google" title="Google">Google</a>, not Microsoft.</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><i>Update:</i> Actually, <a href="/wiki/Nokia_X_platform" title="Nokia X platform">Nokia X platform</a> seems to be a <i>modified</i> <a href="/wiki/Google_Android" class="mw-redirect" title="Google Android">Google Android</a>, so I am not sure whether it counts as belonging to Google or not. All I know is that every phone manufacturer modifies Android.</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><s><a href="/wiki/Nokia_Asha" class="mw-redirect" title="Nokia Asha">Nokia Asha</a> is not even a platform; its a brand name.</s></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><i>Update:</i> Sorry, the link I should have actually visited was <a href="/wiki/Nokia_Asha_platform" title="Nokia Asha platform">Nokia Asha platform</a>. Yes this one seems like an OS. Its apps are written in <a href="/wiki/Java_ME" class="mw-redirect" title="Java ME">Java ME</a> but again Android apps are also written in Java.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Best regards,</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Codename_Lisa" title="User:Codename Lisa">Codename Lisa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Codename_Lisa" title="User talk:Codename Lisa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Microsoft_operating_systems#c-Codename_Lisa-2014-12-03T10:08:00.000Z-1.55.1.245-2014-12-03T09:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 3 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Codename_Lisa-2014-12-03T10:08:00.000Z-1.55.1.245-2014-12-03T09:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Codename_Lisa-2014-12-03T10:08:00.000Z-1.55.1.245-2014-12-03T09:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-183.81.29.61-2014-12-04T01:26:00.000Z-Codename_Lisa-2014-12-03T10:08:00.000Z"></span>Pardon I confused the 2 as Wikipedia lists both Nokia X and Series 40 as "Mobile Operating Systems", and Series 30 as an Embedded Operating System as well as a "Mobile Operating System", I suggest that the categories be adapted to fix this confusion, I had no idea that they were Java ME based, I only thought that this was for their application development, not for the OS themselves, then it's settled that Series 30 and Series 40 do not belong here as they're mere interfaces, and as Nokia X is an AOSP you may be right that it shouldn't make the list, but the other template (Mobile Operating Systems) should then also exclude these platforms, or does Wikipedia hold different standards for Mobile Operating Systems in their own respect? And that same template hosts various Android based "Operating systems" Baidu Yi, CyanogenMod, Fire OS, MIUI, OPhone, Replicant, Yandex.Kit, and Ubuntu for Android of which I'm sure that except updating the available source code neither Google nor the Open Handset Alliance do much support for. But for the argument that Series 30 and Series 40 shouldn't be here due to the fact that they're mostly Java based I should direct you to the DangerOS (which <i>does</i> make the list), as for Series 60/Symbian I never claimed that it should make the list, only that Microsoft still does partial support for it, though the employees have been outsourced to Accenture (which has a very close relationship with Microsoft, and Avanade is a joint venture), most of the support software (the Nokia Suite, the Nokia PC Suite, Nokia Sync, Nokia Messaging, Etc.) are under Microsoft, but I did state that I'd exclude them from the list as they're not current, and that they are not really owned by Microsoft (though most trademarks and patents are), I'd have to agree then that Nokia X shouldn't make the list, but if Series 30 and Series 40 be removed for being Java ME based then DangerOS should be applied to the same standard, unless you can explain to me how they're different as from the respective articles I can't seem to find much information about Java ME on Series 30, but I can seem to find it on the Danger Hiptop/T-Mobile SideKick. And both Series 40 and the DangerOS have their own unique SDK, respectively, as well as separate developer platforms, but again where is the line that separates a platform from an operating system? <dl><dd>As we can agree on the fact that the Nokia Asha Platform is indeed a mobile operating system (which might have descended from either Series 40 or the SmarterPhone acquisition), I'm going to place that back here and remove Series 30 (as you have stated that it's a mere platform rather than an operating system). Also the "Nokia Platforms" template states Asha as an operating system while Series 30 as a "User Interface" I should've used that for reference earlier, but it also states Nokia X as an operating system, and note that Nokia X isn't fully compatible with Google Android, nor is Google Android only developed by Google, the entire Open Handset Alliance does (perhaps in name, or legally only per se), but as Microsoft is not a member this doesn't change the validity of your comment, but neither Google nor the Open Handset Alliance can modify the Nokia X Platform, maybe the Nokia Platforms Template is wrong and should state it as a User Interface rather than an Operating System, but I will replace Series 30 with the Nokia Asha Platform its Operating System actually does fit the requirements.</dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/183.81.29.61" title="Special:Contributions/183.81.29.61">183.81.29.61</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:183.81.29.61&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:183.81.29.61 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Microsoft_operating_systems#c-183.81.29.61-2014-12-04T01:26:00.000Z-Codename_Lisa-2014-12-03T10:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 4 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-183.81.29.61-2014-12-04T01:26:00.000Z-Codename_Lisa-2014-12-03T10:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-183.81.29.61-2014-12-04T01:26:00.000Z-Codename_Lisa-2014-12-03T10:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.195.214.118-2015-06-16T11:46:00.000Z-183.81.29.61-2014-12-04T01:26:00.000Z"></span>The Nokia X software should be added through. It isn't Android, it is based on Android. And what is Android? 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